| seele | Hobbsee: :) | 00:13 |
|---|---|---|
| * DaSkreech throws konfetti at Hobbsee | 01:47 | |
| * Hobbsee throws bees at DaSkreech | 01:47 | |
| claydoh | seele: nice blog article | 01:48 |
| * claydoh wishes he had as good a way with words | 01:48 | |
| * NCommander throws Hobbsee at DaSkreech | 02:09 | |
| NCommander | :-) | 02:09 |
| DaSkreech | Wheeeee | 02:09 |
| * Hobbsee sails through the air | 02:09 | |
| * NCommander moves the rocks to calculate the necessary physics to simulate this event | 02:09 | |
| * DaSkreech *gets squooshed under the one down under* | 02:09 | |
| DaSkreech | NCommander: Ha ha | 02:10 |
| DaSkreech | Geek | 02:10 |
| NCommander | that xkcd really touched me on some level | 02:10 |
| DaSkreech | Wait.. I got it | 02:10 |
| * DaSkreech mourns how sad he is | 02:10 | |
| * DaSkreech wonders how long Hobbsee can sail | 02:10 | |
| NCommander | DaSkreech, you are approaching a sad realization. Cancel or Allow? | 02:10 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha hah | 02:10 |
| DaSkreech | Oh I made myself sad again | 02:11 |
| * NCommander moves a rock to cause Hobbsee to experience gravity | 02:11 | |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:11 |
| * Hobbsee dies. | 02:11 | |
| * DaSkreech catches Hobbsee gently | 02:11 | |
| * NCommander watches Hobbsee burst into flames | 02:12 | |
| NCommander | Continue: Yes/No? | 02:12 |
| * DaSkreech outs them with tears | 02:12 | |
| NCommander | argh | 02:12 |
| * NCommander was planning to turn her into a phoenix with physics to have her respawn | 02:12 | |
| DaSkreech | Oh ok | 02:12 |
| * DaSkreech gets marshmellows | 02:12 | |
| * NCommander wonders if the Phoenix on mars will resurrect | 02:13 | |
| NCommander | O_O; | 02:13 |
| NCommander | WTF? | 02:13 |
| === ubott2 is now known as ubottu | ||
| DaSkreech | ubottu is allowed to quit | 02:15 |
| DaSkreech | Shut up | 02:15 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 02:17 |
| DaSkreech | ubottu lag | 02:18 |
| ubottu | You have lag, I don't have lag | 02:18 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah right you don't | 02:18 |
| NCommander | !hobbsee DaSkreech | 02:19 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 02:19 |
| NCommander | O_o; | 02:19 |
| NCommander | WTF? | 02:19 |
| nixternal | evening | 02:19 |
| NCommander | Where's did Hobbsee go | 02:19 |
| DaSkreech | hi nixternal I was just thinking of you | 02:19 |
| nixternal | no you weren't | 02:20 |
| * Hobbsee ran aawy/ | 02:20 | |
| nixternal | smart woman! | 02:20 |
| * nixternal tried to run away :) | 02:20 | |
| * NCommander moves the rocks to remove the door | 02:20 | |
| * Hobbsee finds http://www.kde.org/users/faq.php#1-1 interesting | 02:57 | |
| Hobbsee | they're not even giving a date on when they're stopping support - ie, they already have, and it's up to distros to support it with bug fixes and maintenance. | 02:57 |
| * Hobbsee wonders if the kde3 users realise this, in their determination to stick with it | 03:00 | |
| JontheEchidna | they started closing ARts bugs today as won't fix | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | \o/ | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | can we close all of ours too? :P | 03:04 |
| JontheEchidna | I closed the ones that were linked with upstream bugs :P | 03:05 |
| JontheEchidna | but I'm afraid the others won't die easily until we stop supporting a release with arts :/ | 03:06 |
| JontheEchidna | unless we could all just agree that we won't support it \o/ | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm, when does dapper EOL on the desktop? | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | 6.06...9.06? | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | that's next june | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | can we just declare it june 09 and be done? | 03:14 |
| ScottK | The answer should be, "If you want to stick with KDE3, you should be running Lenny, not Intrepid". | 04:59 |
| ScottK | Is there a wiki page or something on troubleshooting key code issues? | 05:13 |
| ScottK | If I set my laptop to display on both displays at boot (when the bios controls it), it works great. I can't, however, switch after the OS takes control. | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | yes, lure has one | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | search the wiki, it comes up pretty quickly, iirc. | 05:20 |
| ScottK | I found a Mobile Team one. That must be it. | 05:21 |
| * NCommander is back | 06:11 | |
| NCommander | my NSLU2 been linking libkhtml.so for over 3 hours ... | 06:11 |
| ScottK | That sounds like it may be rather personal information. | 06:19 |
| ScottK | Good night. | 06:20 |
| === doko_ is now known as doko | ||
| doko | $ dpkg -S qt4.tag | 07:11 |
| doko | dpkg: *qt4.tag* not found. | 07:11 |
| doko | Riddell: so this was a null upload, taking 15h CPU time on armel ... | 07:12 |
| NCommander | doko, I finally have kde4libs fixed | 07:24 |
| * NCommander actually managed to build it on armel this time | 07:24 | |
| doko | NCommander: \o/ | 07:28 |
| NCommander | doko, I had to break out the cross-compiler and distcc to test it (12 hours to build, not counting the time to code the patch and test it) | 07:28 |
| * NCommander did note he did put a dent in the movies I wanted to watch list today | 07:28 | |
| doko | NCommander: let me if I should upload it | 07:29 |
| NCommander | I want to test build it on amd64/i386 first | 07:29 |
| NCommander | Riddell will kill me at UDS if I break the build there :-) | 07:29 |
| Arby | morning | 08:28 |
| NCommander | Riddell, if you have no objection, I'm going to start working on why kde4bindings is FTBFSIng | 08:49 |
| Riddell | NCommander: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnepomukqueryclient" | 09:33 |
| Riddell | that should now exist | 09:33 |
| NCommander | Riddell, the FTBFS log looks like it can't install libplasma | 09:34 |
| NCommander | Are we ever going to fix that bug :-P | 09:34 |
| Riddell | should be installable now | 09:34 |
| Riddell | but the error I pasted is from the i386 log | 09:35 |
| Riddell | amd64 too | 09:35 |
| NCommander | oh | 09:37 |
| NCommander | I'm talking about the armel/lpia log :-P | 09:37 |
| * Riddell clicks retry | 09:37 | |
| Riddell | qt built on arm, despite complaints above | 09:43 |
| james_w | hey hey | 11:50 |
| james_w | anyone know what is intended to happen with libkipi? | 11:50 |
| james_w | the last upload of kdegraphics dropped the libkipi-common package, but libkipi0 still depends on it. | 11:51 |
| james_w | if we simply remove the dependency libkipi0 and libkipi5 are no longer co-installable, so you won't be able to install some KDE3 apps on Kubuntu | 11:52 |
| james_w | my suggestion would be to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5, but that means you have one extra lib if you e.g. install digikam on GNOME | 11:52 |
| james_w | but in my opinion making KDE4 installable on KDE4 trumps wanting to minimise KDE libs installed when using a KDE application on GNOME any day | 11:53 |
| Riddell | hi james_w | 11:59 |
| Riddell | james_w: I think digikam will go KDE 4 only in jaunty | 12:00 |
| james_w | hi Riddell, you're not supposed to be here :-) | 12:00 |
| Riddell | I'm not? | 12:00 |
| Riddell | so we can just drop libkipi0 in jaunty | 12:00 |
| james_w | oh, I thought you were on holiday | 12:00 |
| Riddell | not until this evening | 12:00 |
| Riddell | I should pack at some point :) | 12:00 |
| james_w | dropping libkipi0 would obviously be great | 12:01 |
| james_w | is leaving it un-installable until then the right thing to do? | 12:02 |
| Riddell | that's not ideal, would be pretty easy to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5 quickly today and plan to have digikam for KDE 4 packaged soon | 12:03 |
| james_w | I'm happy to do that if you are happy with that solution | 12:04 |
| james_w | bug 299353 is what is prompting me | 12:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 299353 in libkipi "Please merge libkipi 0.1.6-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299353 | 12:04 |
| Riddell | james_w: that would be most good of yuo | 12:05 |
| james_w | cool, I'll get on it | 12:06 |
| james_w | Riddell: also, in your kdegraphics upload you didn't add Conflicts/Replaces of libkipi-common on libkipi5, though your changelog suggests you intended to. Am I missing something? | 12:09 |
| Riddell | rgreening didn't :) yes it should do that | 12:10 |
| james_w | ah, sorry, saw the "R" and didn't look at the rest of the name :-) | 12:11 |
| james_w | also, apachelogger, have you seen bug 300554? | 12:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 300554 in kdegraphics "package kcolorchooser None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kcolorchooser.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kcolorchooser.png', which is also in package kcoloredit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300554 | 12:12 |
| Riddell | there's no file kcolorchooser.png in kcoloredit | 12:16 |
| james_w | that's odd then | 12:17 |
| Riddell | I'll ask what version he has | 12:21 |
| === akonadi is now known as nihui | ||
| === me is now known as apachelogger_ | ||
| james_w | anyone familiar with input methods at all? | 14:12 |
| jjesse | if i'm having problems with suspend on my laptop what is that a bug against? acpi? something else? | 14:13 |
| JontheEchidna | you would have more luck making burnt sacrifices to various gods | 14:15 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 14:15 |
| james_w | not the acpi packge, there's little in there | 14:15 |
| james_w | the kernel may be a good place to start | 14:15 |
| smarter | or /var/log/suspend.log | 14:19 |
| james_w | I ask as I am looking for someone to try and confirm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443 | 14:19 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 506443 in fcitx "fcitx: QT_IM_MODULE=XIM does not work" [Serious,Open] | 14:19 |
| smarter | (the filename may be different, look inside /var/log for things related to suspend) | 14:19 |
| Riddell | james_w: try freeflying | 14:22 |
| james_w | thanks | 14:23 |
| jjesse | thanks for the infom smarter | 14:23 |
| james_w | freeflying: hi, I would greatly appreciate it if you have a few minutes to try fcitx under KDE with regargs to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443. Thanks. | 14:24 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 506443 in fcitx "fcitx: QT_IM_MODULE=XIM does not work" [Serious,Open] | 14:24 |
| rgreening | Riddell: my kdegraphics did have a conflicts on libkipi5.. I'm looking at my control file here. | 14:39 |
| rgreening | Riddell: did the wrong diff get uploaded | 14:39 |
| Riddell | Conflicts: libkipi0, libkipi-common | 14:40 |
| rgreening | Riddell: actually, I only added a conflicts.. no replaces.. | 14:40 |
| Riddell | there's a replaces too | 14:40 |
| Riddell | not sure what james_w was looking at then | 14:40 |
| rgreening | heh | 14:40 |
| james_w | yeah, sorry, I see them now | 14:42 |
| james_w | ah, my solution for libkipi0 will not work | 14:43 |
| james_w | the versions of C/R on libkipi0 were removed, so they are not co-installable | 14:44 |
| rgreening | james_w: yeah, for Jaunty, it was removed as there was no need ot have it co-installable with kde3 | 14:45 |
| Riddell | we could put them back | 14:47 |
| james_w | well, there are still a few things requiring libkipi0 for now | 14:47 |
| james_w | someone might want to look at http://launchpad.net/bugs/298413 to fix digikam | 14:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 298413 in digikam "Please sync digikam 2:0.10.0~beta2-1 from debian experimental" [Undecided,New] | 14:47 |
| rgreening | james_w: what requires libkipi0 at this piont | 14:47 |
| rgreening | yeah, we def need to put in new digikam | 14:48 |
| james_w | digikam, kphotoalbum, showfoto (ish) | 14:48 |
| jjesse | is that a kde4 version of digikiam? | 14:48 |
| rgreening | jjesse: yeah | 14:49 |
| james_w | education-desktop-kde (ish) | 14:49 |
| jjesse | yay | 14:49 |
| rgreening | I think we need to simply zap the old kipi | 14:49 |
| rgreening | so, whatever it takes ot make it go away | 14:49 |
| Riddell | the 0.10.0 series is the KDE 4 version which will use the new kipi | 14:51 |
| james_w | what happened to the kde4 kphotoalbum? | 14:52 |
| rgreening | \o/ DigiKam rocks the house | 14:52 |
| Riddell | rgreening: fancy testing if the debian digikam 0.10 from experimental will work unaltered in jaunty? | 14:53 |
| james_w | it won't | 14:53 |
| rgreening | hehe | 14:53 |
| james_w | or at least the Build-Depends are wrong | 14:53 |
| Riddell | what's wrong with them? | 14:53 |
| james_w | or is that something else that was changed in the last kdegraphics upload? | 14:53 |
| Riddell | I think it might have been | 14:53 |
| Riddell | although I do get confused between all these libkipikexivkexif libraries :) | 14:54 |
| rgreening | Our kdegraphics is mostly debians from the merge, woth a few of our conflict/replace requirements | 14:54 |
| Riddell | that was the plan | 14:54 |
| rgreening | So, digikam from debian using our kdegraphics should work in theory | 14:55 |
| nixternal | good morning Kubuntu! | 14:55 |
| * rgreening gets a jaunty install up and running... | 14:55 | |
| Riddell | rgreening: install? or debootstrap chroot? | 14:56 |
| rgreening | vm | 14:56 |
| james_w | yeah, sorry, stale caches. | 14:56 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I have a intrepid vm... gonna up it to Jaunty for supreme breakage | 14:56 |
| rgreening | anyone using gmail via smtp/pop? | 14:58 |
| nixternal | I used to use gmail that way | 14:59 |
| rgreening | nixternal: any issues sending over last 2 days? | 15:01 |
| nixternal | haven't used it in a while...typically the gmail help will have something under their groups portion | 15:01 |
| rgreening | nixternal: I can't (from Canada) seem to be able to send any outgoing e-mail from two different ISP's using the settings I've always used (using it via Kmail) | 15:01 |
| nixternal | -6c today | 15:02 |
| nixternal | lovin' it | 15:02 |
| rgreening | nixternal: I searched last night, and never saw anything.. | 15:02 |
| nixternal | rgreening: ahh, is kmail choking when you send? | 15:02 |
| rgreening | nixternal: yes | 15:02 |
| nixternal | I used to get that same problem with kmail in the past...I always had to delete the account info out of the configs and reconfig it | 15:03 |
| nixternal | pain in the arse | 15:03 |
| nixternal | it could very well be a hosed config | 15:03 |
| nixternal | which is funny, because if you were to backup your config, and create a new config with the same settings and then diff them, no diff whatsoever | 15:04 |
| rgreening | It's happening to my system (Intrepid) and to my wifes (Hardy). Both started happening the same time. I also tried removing my kmail config with no change | 15:04 |
| nixternal | hrmm, sounds like a gmail issue then | 15:04 |
| nixternal | or an ISP issue | 15:04 |
| rgreening | Im leaning toward canadian backbo0ne | 15:04 |
| rgreening | nixternal: can you test on your end and send me something? | 15:04 |
| nixternal | man that opened up the possibility for a good joke :P | 15:04 |
| nixternal | ya, let me send you something from gmail now | 15:05 |
| nixternal | email addy? | 15:05 |
| rgreening | roderick.greening AT | 15:05 |
| nixternal | at what? | 15:07 |
| rgreening | gmail.com (I thought you'd ssume it hehe) | 15:08 |
| nixternal | oh...hahaha, ya, you would think so :p | 15:08 |
| rgreening | ~facts about assume | 15:08 |
| kubotu | [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me' | 15:08 |
| rgreening | :) | 15:08 |
| * rgreening assumed | 15:08 | |
| nixternal | you've got mail! | 15:08 |
| nixternal | or you should have mail | 15:09 |
| rgreening | k | 15:09 |
| rgreening | nixternal: so, you had no issue to send. and using 465 with SSL pointing to smtp.gmail.com? | 15:10 |
| jjesse | on a 4gig system you shouldn't try to rung 3.2 gbs worth of virtual machines | 15:10 |
| jjesse | im just saying | 15:10 |
| nixternal | rgreening: let me check my mutt settings | 15:10 |
| nixternal | set smtp_url = 'smtps://nixternal@smtp.gmail.com:465' | 15:11 |
| nixternal | yup | 15:11 |
| rgreening | must be an isp issue. I'm going to test another machine just to be sure... | 15:11 |
| rgreening | Ok, just tried from a clean kmail in my Intrepid vm. still fails. | 15:18 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: HIho | 15:25 |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | ||
| doko | NCommander, Riddell: are you aware that the kde4libs build is run twice? it reruns the configure on install. | 16:12 |
| doko | some for other kde packages? | 16:12 |
| NCommander | doko, cmake is kinda weird like that, its not rebuilding the entire package from scratch as far as I can tell | 16:13 |
| NCommander | Riddell, when is 4.1.80 going to hit the archive? | 16:13 |
| Riddell | NCommander: ask JontheEchidna | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | NCommander: hopefully by monday | 16:21 |
| rgreening | Riddell: digikam 10 from debian experimental installs fine, but crashes on launch. I think it need a rebuild against Jaunty. I'll try and do a rebuild on it. | 16:23 |
| Riddell | rgreening: yes I'd expect hat | 16:25 |
| Riddell | that | 16:25 |
| rgreening | Riddell: so the install deps appear to be ok. Now, I'll test the build ones... | 16:28 |
| * rgreening goes and builds a jaunty pbuilder env. | 16:28 | |
| rgreening | smarter: I ordered the Rapid Gui Programming With Python And Qt: The Definitive Guide To Pyqt Programming today from Amazon. | 16:30 |
| doko | NCommander, Riddell: the good thing is that the armel build did go on, but let's see how long the "install" will take ... | 16:38 |
| NCommander | doko, it took about 10 minutes on my NSLU2 | 16:38 |
| doko | NCommander: well, not sure what I'm currently seeing, but it did start counting the percentage marker up again | 16:39 |
| NCommander | doko, make install recalls make all to make sure everything is linked together | 16:39 |
| NCommander | and to build the docs :-) | 16:39 |
| * NCommander thinks Launchpad need a realtime build-log scroller thingy | 16:40 | |
| NCommander | Installing: | 16:40 |
| NCommander | W001 | 16:40 |
| ScottK | NCommander: How real time do you need?https://launchpad.net/+builds/kahikatea | 16:40 |
| NCommander | ScottK, auto-rescroll, with AJAX and a transparent window :-) | 16:41 |
| * NCommander runs | 16:41 | |
| ScottK | NCommander: No need to run. That'd be far more useful than some of the stuff LP has sufficient developer time for (the developer map is my current favorite useless LP feature). | 16:42 |
| NCommander | ScottK, the idea behind it is sound; see where in the world other developers are so you can determine what time it is at their relative 127.0.0.1 | 16:43 |
| ScottK | NCommander: They already exposed TZ in the text U/I. The idea was to have fun doing useless stuff and make LP even slower. | 16:43 |
| ScottK | Actually I think it's supposed to be some kewl team building thing. | 16:44 |
| NCommander | haw, its building debs! | 16:44 |
| ScottK | Mostly I notice it slows the people pages down since it now has to consult Google to load the page. | 16:44 |
| Riddell | hmm, libchm-dev | 16:51 |
| Riddell | I have a vauge memory that failed MIR | 16:52 |
| NCommander | Riddell, why? | 16:53 |
| Riddell | yeah "* Don't build-dep on libchm, failed main inclusion report" | 16:53 |
| Riddell | NCommander: "security" I think | 16:53 |
| NCommander | \o/ | 16:53 |
| NCommander | How the hell can someone right an insecure CHM file parser | 16:53 |
| NCommander | s/right/write/g | 16:54 |
| ScottK | seele: How'd the feedback on your last blog post go? | 16:56 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Request approved. | 16:58 |
| NCommander | ScottK, what request? | 16:59 |
| seele | ScottK: 58 comments and counting | 16:59 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Pythonistas. | 16:59 |
| NCommander | w00t | 16:59 |
| NCommander | YALPG | 16:59 |
| * ScottK goes and looks. | 16:59 | |
| NCommander | Riddell, what's depending on libchm-dev specifically? | 16:59 |
| NCommander | seele, what blog? | 16:59 |
| seele | ScottK: the problem with blog entires that only people who are pissed off comment | 16:59 |
| Riddell | NCommander: okular can use it | 17:00 |
| seele | i've gotten a lot of private messages of good comments, but you wouldnt be able to tell from reading the blog comments that there were two sides | 17:00 |
| seele | NCommander: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/on-distributions-kubuntu-and-kde/ | 17:00 |
| NCommander | Riddell, its not a hard depends? | 17:00 |
| seele | NCommander: meant to be well thought out and people are taking it as inflammatory | 17:00 |
| * seele sighs | 17:00 | |
| Riddell | NCommander: no, we removed it in intrepid | 17:00 |
| NCommander | Oh | 17:01 |
| ScottK | seele: Heh. Well you might do a follow-up along the lines of "If you want a current Debian based distro with KDE3.5, go install Lenny". | 17:01 |
| * Riddell builds it in jaunty without libchm | 17:02 | |
| Riddell | mm, now it doesn't want to build at all | 17:09 |
| === |Artemis_Fowl| is now known as Artemis_Fowl | ||
| ScottK | seele: My five year old loves Kubuntu Intrepid. KDE4 has got her attention in a way that KDE3 never did. She can work it just fine too. Her only complaint was that Tux is missing from Potato Guy (I filed a bug). | 17:14 |
| ScottK | seele: I do think the people who complain about increased complexity in the KNetworkManager U/I have a point. Perhaps that'd be a good usability focus for Jaunty? | 17:14 |
| Riddell | NM is going to be entirely redone most likely | 17:15 |
| Riddell | kdegraphics has gone mad, it's moaning that it needs libkipi but it's the source of libkipi | 17:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Better or worse? | 17:16 |
| ScottK | .. NM | 17:16 |
| rgreening | oh my | 17:16 |
| seele | ScottK: i think once the plasmoid comes out it will be much better | 17:16 |
| rgreening | knm goes away and gets replaced | 17:16 |
| seele | afaik the existing ui was mostly a stopgap | 17:17 |
| rgreening | ^ that be optimal | 17:17 |
| Riddell | rgreening: that's the plan | 17:17 |
| rgreening | knm is bad | 17:17 |
| ScottK | Great. That's one area where I agree withthe complainers that we regressed in Intrepid. | 17:17 |
| rgreening | but at least I get wireless | 17:17 |
| apachelogger | wth | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: you should coordinate your schedule with KDE | 17:18 |
| Nightrose | ? | 17:18 |
| Nightrose | packaging? | 17:18 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 17:19 |
| Nightrose | yea | 17:19 |
| Nightrose | sorry | 17:19 |
| * apachelogger kicks off quassel, bzr pulls latest amarok packaging and goes finding something to eat | 17:19 | |
| Riddell | amarok for kdemultimedia schedule! | 17:19 |
| apachelogger | righto | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: you people have become old, too few releases to justify extragear :P | 17:20 |
| === bastian is now known as OculusAquilae | ||
| Nightrose | ? | 17:26 |
| Riddell | what do I need to pack for France? | 17:27 |
| seele | swim shorts? | 17:27 |
| Riddell | oh aye | 17:29 |
| jpds | In this weather? | 17:30 |
| smarter | hey jpds! | 17:32 |
| jpds | Bonsoir smarter. | 17:32 |
| smarter | long time no see ;) | 17:33 |
| jpds | Tu me as jamais vu. | 17:33 |
| smarter | s/see/read/ then | 17:33 |
| smarter | ¿qué tal? | 17:33 |
| jpds | Headache. | 17:33 |
| smarter | oh | 17:34 |
| jpds | Et toi? | 17:34 |
| smarter | bien | 17:34 |
| smarter | (I'll let you decide if this is French or Spanish :p) | 17:35 |
| smarter | actually, I may have a headache soon too because of sed and regexp overuse | 17:35 |
| jpds | Well, at least we're learning loads at school. | 17:37 |
| jpds | of languages* | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | someone please check http://paste.ubuntu.com/75318/ | 17:46 |
| mornfall | Great bugreport. Second half = Look of adept ugly and layout unpratical as compared with adept version in | 17:48 |
| mornfall | KDE-3 | 17:48 |
| mornfall | That just proves the old saying that you can't please everyone. | 17:48 |
| === jdong_ is now known as jdong | ||
| apachelogger | kde revision 886742 | 18:22 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=886742&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 886742 | 18:22 |
| rgreening | smarter: got a sec? I'm trying to activate the help about menu in my application, but unsure how to connect it? Got any example using a call to a .ui file? | 18:26 |
| === Roger_ is now known as DaSkreecH | ||
| * TekkieFreak waves | 18:39 | |
| * DaSkreecH drowns | 18:42 | |
| TekkieFreak | DS...you are funny. | 18:42 |
| TekkieFreak | :) | 18:42 |
| TekkieFreak | Surely you are not swimming while using your computer. :) | 18:43 |
| TekkieFreak | Okie...so does kde 4 support dual monitors? Anyone know? | 18:44 |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: Yes. The biggest limitation isn't in KDE, but in xrandr. Each monitor needs to be at the same resolution. | 18:45 |
| * ScottK did it on Intrepid (with 4.1.3) as recently as yesterday. | 18:45 | |
| TekkieFreak | Oh...okie...because I've got a dell laptop and then I plugged the external monitor in...and mirrored them | 18:46 |
| DaSkreecH | TekkieFreak: You brought on the waves | 18:46 |
| TekkieFreak | Now the external doesn't show my whole desktop it's got the scrolling action. | 18:46 |
| DaSkreecH | I can't swim with the awesomeness of KDE waves | 18:46 |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: Dunno about that. | 18:46 |
| ScottK | Sounds like xrandr fun though. | 18:47 |
| TekkieFreak | Hrm. Okie dokie then <---- That's Minnesota talk, btw. | 18:47 |
| * ScottK is familiar with Minnesota (wife is from there). | 18:48 | |
| TekkieFreak | Ah. :) Well hopefully then you are somewhere warmer than here today. | 18:48 |
| TekkieFreak | My hubby is from Wisconsin so we end up watching lots of Packer games. | 18:49 |
| Tm_T | what you mean by "warmer" ? | 18:51 |
| Tm_T | as in, how cold is there? | 18:51 |
| TekkieFreak | Well it's like 10 F right now. | 18:51 |
| Tm_T | in C please (: | 18:52 |
| TekkieFreak | -12 | 18:52 |
| TekkieFreak | -12 C --- but according to my weather applet it's 32 now. Which is 0 C | 18:52 |
| Tm_T | oh, that isn't cold | 18:53 |
| TekkieFreak | I guess it warmed up...but was -12C when I left home this morning. | 18:53 |
| TekkieFreak | Yeah 32 is no problem. | 18:53 |
| * Tm_T is waiting for snow storm coming sunday evening | 18:53 | |
| Tm_T | finally | 18:53 |
| DaSkreecH | It's 28 here | 18:53 |
| Tm_T | TekkieFreak: I'm used to have -30 or more in winter | 18:53 |
| TekkieFreak | Tm...where are you? | 18:53 |
| Tm_T | eastern Finland | 18:54 |
| Tm_T | see https://edge.launchpad.net/~tmt | 18:54 |
| TekkieFreak | Ah. :) I want to come visit you!!! | 18:54 |
| Tm_T | please do | 18:54 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Once it's actually winter Minnesota gets that cold too. I think it's no suprise most of the original European settlers were from Scandanavia. | 18:54 |
| Tm_T | it's all snowy here altready <3 | 18:54 |
| TekkieFreak | I want to go to Sweden really bad...I bought my tin of Pepparkakor for Christmas yesterday. | 18:55 |
| Tm_T | why to Sweden? | 18:55 |
| TekkieFreak | My relatives are all Swedish. | 18:55 |
| ScottK | It was snowing here (in Maryland) today, but the sun came out and it's gone now. | 18:55 |
| TekkieFreak | I've never been there though. | 18:55 |
| * DaSkreecH ponders a python kwibber | 18:55 | |
| Tm_T | TekkieFreak: I can feel your pain, I mean, uh... | 18:55 |
| * Tm_T hides | 18:55 | |
| TekkieFreak | My Mom was 100% Swede. :) Right down to the crankiness. :) | 18:55 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreecH: murh | 18:55 |
| * DaSkreecH chuckles | 18:55 | |
| DaSkreecH | Tm_T: meh ? | 18:56 |
| Tm_T | TekkieFreak: crankiness isn't "swedish" thing really | 18:56 |
| TekkieFreak | Tm_T: Maybe it's a Minnesota thing then. :) | 18:56 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreecH: murrrh | 18:56 |
| DaSkreecH | myrtti ? Tm_T? | 18:57 |
| DaSkreecH | <==> | 18:57 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreecH: meh (:) | 18:57 |
| TekkieFreak | I worked for a Swedish consulting firm for about a year...and then all settled down in Florida. | 18:57 |
| DaSkreecH | gwibber is in git? | 18:57 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreecH: you know what? I might have time to do it a lot during next month (:) | 18:57 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreecH: bzr | 18:57 |
| TekkieFreak | They were all from Sweden...and so it was fun to go down there in January and work. | 18:57 |
| * DaSkreecH dances with Tm_T | 18:57 | |
| DaSkreecH | Oh right. he is enamoured of that. Hmm | 18:58 |
| DaSkreecH | guess I need to learn bzr | 18:58 |
| jtechidna | apachelogger: turns out bug 278471 was caused by.... a patch ;-) | 18:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 278471 in kdebase-workspace "Screen flickers or blanks every 10 s with KDE4" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278471 | 18:58 |
| Tm_T | TekkieFreak: you would love to get to russian border, in dark, get over it, and meet lovely wolfes we have here until some border guards catch you up ;--P | 18:59 |
| TekkieFreak | Tm....I would LOVE to come in summer and see the midnight sun. | 18:59 |
| Tm_T | nothing special, except you can read all night in sunlight if you like | 19:00 |
| DaSkreecH | Russian Wolves are interesting | 19:00 |
| Tm_T | but may make sleeping hard if you haven't used to it | 19:00 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreecH: indeed | 19:00 |
| * DaSkreecH is not used to sleeping in any case | 19:00 | |
| TekkieFreak | Wolves...we have some here...but I live in the Suburbs...so we don't see many. | 19:01 |
| DaSkreecH | we have a good deal here all wrapped up in people colthing | 19:01 |
| TekkieFreak | If you go "Up Nort" there's even Moose. | 19:01 |
| TekkieFreak | DS...heh, yeah I was going to say that typically the people are more scary than the wolves. :) | 19:02 |
| DaSkreecH | nastier bites | 19:03 |
| TekkieFreak | Tm_T: Have you ever seen the Danish film: The Kingdom? I think it's late from late 90's. | 19:05 |
| Tm_T | perhaps, why? | 19:05 |
| TekkieFreak | Just curious...I just thinks it's a good film. Really creepy. | 19:06 |
| TekkieFreak | Ok, technical question...is it possible to just download the kde-base packages, work on the code and then "run" or "execute" them? | 19:16 |
| TekkieFreak | How does that work since I'm already running a kde desktop. | 19:16 |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: You have to recompile them. | 19:16 |
| TekkieFreak | ScottK, yep...that's fine...but then for testing? How dose one test them? | 19:17 |
| TekkieFreak | does...sorry...can't type. | 19:17 |
| ScottK | Build a new .deb, install said .deb (sudo dpkg -i filename.deb). | 19:17 |
| ScottK | There's a decent wiki page on this. | 19:18 |
| TekkieFreak | Oh!!! Ok. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | I'm looking for it. | 19:18 |
| TekkieFreak | So what would be say a good "small" package I could download the source for and get my feet wet? | 19:21 |
| DaSkreecH | helloworld | 19:22 |
| TekkieFreak | And I imagine there's a bunch of API's available? | 19:22 |
| ScottK | None of the core KDE packages are 'small'. | 19:22 |
| TekkieFreak | :) Oh sheesh...I'm feeling *really* green now. :) | 19:22 |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: No problem. We're glad to have you here wanting to learn. | 19:23 |
| TekkieFreak | Right...so I think I better start smaller...um....I dunno "weather applet" or something. :) | 19:23 |
| ScottK | KDE packages are somewhat famously huge. | 19:23 |
| DaSkreecH | Well the core ones are | 19:23 |
| ScottK | Something plasmoid like. | 19:23 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 19:23 |
| * DaSkreecH pokes Tm_T. Kwibber plasmoid? :-) | 19:23 | |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: Are you running Intrepid? | 19:24 |
| TekkieFreak | ScottK...I used to be a Java2 programmer, so I have some knowledge, just not used to this environment. | 19:24 |
| TekkieFreak | Yes, running intrepid...and back to kde 4.1 | 19:25 |
| TekkieFreak | What are we on these days...Java 6? | 19:25 |
| * ScottK has no idea. | 19:25 | |
| * ScottK has so far managed to avoid Java. | 19:25 | |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: We tend to like Python here, but are open minded. | 19:26 |
| TekkieFreak | I'm sure it's come a long way. Python sounds good. | 19:26 |
| TekkieFreak | I can raid hubby's books...I think he has the nutshell book on python. | 19:26 |
| ScottK | That's a good one. | 19:26 |
| ScottK | For packaging though, you don't need to know much programming except for some shell scripting. | 19:27 |
| TekkieFreak | I should be able to handle that. Amazing how many shell commands I still remember. | 19:27 |
| ScottK | To get started you'll want to set yourself up a proper build environment. There are many ways to do this. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | pbuilder is probably the most common tool. | 19:28 |
| TekkieFreak | So is that just available through adept? | 19:28 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | You'll have to manipulate it via Konsole. | 19:29 |
| TekkieFreak | Okie...that shouldn't be a problem. | 19:29 |
| ScottK | For getting set up you'll want to enable intrepid-backports and install be version from there. | 19:29 |
| DaSkreecH | akonadi looks interesting as a microblog store | 19:29 |
| ScottK | The canonical (pun intended) Ubuntu documentation on pbuilder is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto - I however find a wrapper called pbuilder-dist much easier to deal with. | 19:30 |
| ScottK | After you install pbuilder, if you install ubuntu-dev-tools and then look at man pbuilder-dist it'll give you a much easier way to get set up. | 19:31 |
| TekkieFreak | Okie...cool. | 19:32 |
| rgreening | _Sime: you around? | 19:32 |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing also has some good info and links to more. | 19:33 |
| ScottK | There used to be a simple flipping wiki page that talked about modifying a package and I can't find it. | 19:34 |
| ScottK | Probably well hidden in the packaging guide now. | 19:35 |
| ScottK | !packaging | 19:35 |
| ubottu | The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports | 19:35 |
| TekkieFreak | Okie...this looks AWESOME!! | 19:36 |
| TekkieFreak | installing dev tools right now. | 19:36 |
| DaSkreecH | Welcome to *buntu | 19:36 |
| TekkieFreak | Oh so pbuilder is in the dev-tools? | 19:37 |
| TekkieFreak | looks like. | 19:37 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| ScottK | pbuilder is a separate package. pbuilder-dist is a wrapper for it that's in ubuntu-dev-tools. You'll want devscripts too. | 19:42 |
| TekkieFreak | Ok, I'm not finding pbuilder-dist | 19:47 |
| TekkieFreak | Oh ok...I have pbuilder already. | 19:48 |
| ScottK | Did you install ubuntu-dev-tools | 19:49 |
| TekkieFreak | yes | 19:50 |
| ScottK | Then it should be installed on the system path and pbuilder-dist create jaunty should work. | 19:50 |
| TekkieFreak | ariel@Pikachu:~$ pbuilder-dist create jaunty | 19:51 |
| TekkieFreak | Warning: Unknown distribution «create». Do you want to continue [y/N]? | 19:51 |
| * smarter is back | 19:53 | |
| smarter | rgreening: still need help? :) | 19:54 |
| rgreening | halp :) | 19:54 |
| rgreening | smarter: yep | 19:54 |
| rgreening | I'm so lost hahah | 19:54 |
| TekkieFreak | unknown distribution jaunty...do I want to continue? | 19:54 |
| smarter | Actually I never tried to connect it using the ui | 19:54 |
| smarter | and as .ui are not widely used for mainwindow in KDE... | 19:55 |
| rgreening | smarter: oh, that may explain my confusion | 19:55 |
| DaSkreecH | TekkieFreak: are you on jaunty? | 19:56 |
| TekkieFreak | No, I'm on intrepid | 19:56 |
| rgreening | smarter: I just updated the branch. Can you take a look and see what I am doing wrong? 1) I get two About menu items.. one form the ui and one I apparantly created new. And 2) getting it to show the about dialog | 20:00 |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: If you install debootstrap from intrepid-backports it will know about Jaunty. | 20:00 |
| TekkieFreak | Okie...I'm just looking for how to enable the backports....hang on. | 20:02 |
| ScottK | TekkieFreak: I think Adept calls it 'unsupported updates" or something like that. | 20:03 |
| TekkieFreak | Okie...looking now. | 20:04 |
| TekkieFreak | Helps if I spell it correctly. :) | 20:05 |
| TekkieFreak | okie...I added deboostrap...but still doesn't know jaunty | 20:06 |
| smarter | rgreening: gonna take dinner, I'll see that after | 20:08 |
| TekkieFreak | Yep okie...I activated the "unsupported" packages in Adept. | 20:08 |
| TekkieFreak | Installed debootstrap with apt-get install | 20:08 |
| rgreening | ok, ty | 20:09 |
| TekkieFreak | Well time to go, thanks for all the help guys...I'll talk to you next week for sure. | 20:25 |
| TekkieFreak | Have a great weekend. | 20:25 |
| rgreening | smarter: I got it to show the About dialog... but still got two About menu entries... lol | 20:30 |
| * rgreening brains hurtz | 20:31 | |
| jjesse | rgreening: its friday i think everyone's brain hurts | 20:34 |
| bfrog | there seem to be broken packages with backports enabled? | 21:13 |
| bfrog | libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1) but 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1.1 is to be installed | 21:13 |
| ScottK | No libxml2 in backports. | 21:22 |
| JontheEchidna | ubuntu1.1, sounds like an intrepid-security package | 21:23 |
| ScottK | It is. | 21:23 |
| * ScottK needs to run out. | 21:23 | |
| JontheEchidna | any ops around? | 21:30 |
| JontheEchidna | there is a disturbance in #kubuntu | 21:30 |
| smarter | ping jpds | 21:31 |
| LjL | JontheEchidna: use !ops when something like this happens | 21:35 |
| LjL | (and don't use it if it doesn't) | 21:35 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, ok | 21:36 |
| vorian | 18 | 21:48 |
| Riddell | au revoir, see you in 10 days for FOSSCamp | 22:29 |
| * JontheEchidna waves to Riddell | 22:29 | |
| smarter | bon voyage Riddell :) | 22:36 |
| bfrog | so any ideas on how to fix this little package fiasco I have? | 22:55 |
| bfrog | I shouldn't disable security should I? | 22:56 |
| JontheEchidna | bfrog: file a bug against the app that won't build. Hopefully they can get an update in intrepid-updates that will fix this | 23:01 |
| ScottK | bfrog: What arch are you running? | 23:28 |
| bfrog | x64 | 23:31 |
| bfrog | on the anl mirror (cause I get 2mbytes/s) | 23:31 |
| ScottK | bfrog: Try a different mirror. | 23:32 |
| bfrog | k | 23:32 |
| ScottK | -dev are usuall arch any so it and the other is arch all so it has an x64 specific package. It looks like the -dev update is missing. | 23:33 |
| bfrog | yeah, us.archive.ubuntu.com is cool | 23:33 |
| bfrog | but not nearly as fast | 23:33 |
| bfrog | it works, thanks | 23:34 |
| bfrog | I guess there's some other security -dev package updates that are still going through the mirrors though | 23:35 |
| bfrog | I'll just wait till monday | 23:35 |
| ScottK | Possibly. | 23:35 |
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