[00:13] Hobbsee: :) [01:47] * DaSkreech throws konfetti at Hobbsee [01:47] * Hobbsee throws bees at DaSkreech [01:48] seele: nice blog article [01:48] * claydoh wishes he had as good a way with words [02:09] * NCommander throws Hobbsee at DaSkreech [02:09] :-) [02:09] Wheeeee [02:09] * Hobbsee sails through the air [02:09] * NCommander moves the rocks to calculate the necessary physics to simulate this event [02:09] * DaSkreech *gets squooshed under the one down under* [02:10] NCommander: Ha ha [02:10] Geek [02:10] that xkcd really touched me on some level [02:10] Wait.. I got it [02:10] * DaSkreech mourns how sad he is [02:10] * DaSkreech wonders how long Hobbsee can sail [02:10] DaSkreech, you are approaching a sad realization. Cancel or Allow? [02:10] Ha ha hah [02:11] Oh I made myself sad again [02:11] * NCommander moves a rock to cause Hobbsee to experience gravity [02:11] heh [02:11] * Hobbsee dies. [02:11] * DaSkreech catches Hobbsee gently [02:12] * NCommander watches Hobbsee burst into flames [02:12] Continue: Yes/No? [02:12] * DaSkreech outs them with tears [02:12] argh [02:12] * NCommander was planning to turn her into a phoenix with physics to have her respawn [02:12] Oh ok [02:12] * DaSkreech gets marshmellows [02:13] * NCommander wonders if the Phoenix on mars will resurrect [02:13] O_O; [02:13] WTF? === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [02:15] ubottu is allowed to quit [02:15] Shut up [02:17] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:18] ubottu lag [02:18] You have lag, I don't have lag [02:18] Yeah right you don't [02:19] !hobbsee DaSkreech [02:19] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:19] O_o; [02:19] WTF? [02:19] evening [02:19] Where's did Hobbsee go [02:19] hi nixternal I was just thinking of you [02:20] no you weren't [02:20] * Hobbsee ran aawy/ [02:20] smart woman! [02:20] * nixternal tried to run away :) [02:20] * NCommander moves the rocks to remove the door [02:57] * Hobbsee finds http://www.kde.org/users/faq.php#1-1 interesting [02:57] they're not even giving a date on when they're stopping support - ie, they already have, and it's up to distros to support it with bug fixes and maintenance. [03:00] * Hobbsee wonders if the kde3 users realise this, in their determination to stick with it [03:02] they started closing ARts bugs today as won't fix [03:04] \o/ [03:04] can we close all of ours too? :P [03:05] I closed the ones that were linked with upstream bugs :P [03:06] but I'm afraid the others won't die easily until we stop supporting a release with arts :/ [03:06] unless we could all just agree that we won't support it \o/ [03:09] hmmm, when does dapper EOL on the desktop? [03:09] 6.06...9.06? [03:09] that's next june [03:14] can we just declare it june 09 and be done? [04:59] The answer should be, "If you want to stick with KDE3, you should be running Lenny, not Intrepid". [05:13] Is there a wiki page or something on troubleshooting key code issues? [05:13] If I set my laptop to display on both displays at boot (when the bios controls it), it works great. I can't, however, switch after the OS takes control. [05:20] yes, lure has one [05:20] search the wiki, it comes up pretty quickly, iirc. [05:21] I found a Mobile Team one. That must be it. [06:11] * NCommander is back [06:11] my NSLU2 been linking libkhtml.so for over 3 hours ... [06:19] That sounds like it may be rather personal information. [06:20] Good night. === doko_ is now known as doko [07:11] $ dpkg -S qt4.tag [07:11] dpkg: *qt4.tag* not found. [07:12] Riddell: so this was a null upload, taking 15h CPU time on armel ... [07:24] doko, I finally have kde4libs fixed [07:24] * NCommander actually managed to build it on armel this time [07:28] NCommander: \o/ [07:28] doko, I had to break out the cross-compiler and distcc to test it (12 hours to build, not counting the time to code the patch and test it) [07:28] * NCommander did note he did put a dent in the movies I wanted to watch list today [07:29] NCommander: let me if I should upload it [07:29] I want to test build it on amd64/i386 first [07:29] Riddell will kill me at UDS if I break the build there :-) [08:28] morning [08:49] Riddell, if you have no objection, I'm going to start working on why kde4bindings is FTBFSIng [09:33] NCommander: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnepomukqueryclient" [09:33] that should now exist [09:34] Riddell, the FTBFS log looks like it can't install libplasma [09:34] Are we ever going to fix that bug :-P [09:34] should be installable now [09:35] but the error I pasted is from the i386 log [09:35] amd64 too [09:37] oh [09:37] I'm talking about the armel/lpia log :-P [09:37] * Riddell clicks retry [09:43] qt built on arm, despite complaints above [11:50] hey hey [11:50] anyone know what is intended to happen with libkipi? [11:51] the last upload of kdegraphics dropped the libkipi-common package, but libkipi0 still depends on it. [11:52] if we simply remove the dependency libkipi0 and libkipi5 are no longer co-installable, so you won't be able to install some KDE3 apps on Kubuntu [11:52] my suggestion would be to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5, but that means you have one extra lib if you e.g. install digikam on GNOME [11:53] but in my opinion making KDE4 installable on KDE4 trumps wanting to minimise KDE libs installed when using a KDE application on GNOME any day [11:59] hi james_w [12:00] james_w: I think digikam will go KDE 4 only in jaunty [12:00] hi Riddell, you're not supposed to be here :-) [12:00] I'm not? [12:00] so we can just drop libkipi0 in jaunty [12:00] oh, I thought you were on holiday [12:00] not until this evening [12:00] I should pack at some point :) [12:01] dropping libkipi0 would obviously be great [12:02] is leaving it un-installable until then the right thing to do? [12:03] that's not ideal, would be pretty easy to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5 quickly today and plan to have digikam for KDE 4 packaged soon [12:04] I'm happy to do that if you are happy with that solution [12:04] bug 299353 is what is prompting me [12:04] Launchpad bug 299353 in libkipi "Please merge libkipi 0.1.6-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299353 [12:05] james_w: that would be most good of yuo [12:06] cool, I'll get on it [12:09] Riddell: also, in your kdegraphics upload you didn't add Conflicts/Replaces of libkipi-common on libkipi5, though your changelog suggests you intended to. Am I missing something? [12:10] rgreening didn't :) yes it should do that [12:11] ah, sorry, saw the "R" and didn't look at the rest of the name :-) [12:11] also, apachelogger, have you seen bug 300554? [12:12] Launchpad bug 300554 in kdegraphics "package kcolorchooser None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kcolorchooser.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kcolorchooser.png', which is also in package kcoloredit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300554 [12:16] there's no file kcolorchooser.png in kcoloredit [12:17] that's odd then [12:21] I'll ask what version he has === akonadi is now known as nihui === me is now known as apachelogger_ [14:12] anyone familiar with input methods at all? [14:13] if i'm having problems with suspend on my laptop what is that a bug against? acpi? something else? [14:15] you would have more luck making burnt sacrifices to various gods [14:15] :P [14:15] not the acpi packge, there's little in there [14:15] the kernel may be a good place to start [14:19] or /var/log/suspend.log [14:19] I ask as I am looking for someone to try and confirm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443 [14:19] Debian bug 506443 in fcitx "fcitx: QT_IM_MODULE=XIM does not work" [Serious,Open] [14:19] (the filename may be different, look inside /var/log for things related to suspend) [14:22] james_w: try freeflying [14:23] thanks [14:23] thanks for the infom smarter [14:24] freeflying: hi, I would greatly appreciate it if you have a few minutes to try fcitx under KDE with regargs to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443. Thanks. [14:24] Debian bug 506443 in fcitx "fcitx: QT_IM_MODULE=XIM does not work" [Serious,Open] [14:39] Riddell: my kdegraphics did have a conflicts on libkipi5.. I'm looking at my control file here. [14:39] Riddell: did the wrong diff get uploaded [14:40] Conflicts: libkipi0, libkipi-common [14:40] Riddell: actually, I only added a conflicts.. no replaces.. [14:40] there's a replaces too [14:40] not sure what james_w was looking at then [14:40] heh [14:42] yeah, sorry, I see them now [14:43] ah, my solution for libkipi0 will not work [14:44] the versions of C/R on libkipi0 were removed, so they are not co-installable [14:45] james_w: yeah, for Jaunty, it was removed as there was no need ot have it co-installable with kde3 [14:47] we could put them back [14:47] well, there are still a few things requiring libkipi0 for now [14:47] someone might want to look at http://launchpad.net/bugs/298413 to fix digikam [14:47] Ubuntu bug 298413 in digikam "Please sync digikam 2:0.10.0~beta2-1 from debian experimental" [Undecided,New] [14:47] james_w: what requires libkipi0 at this piont [14:48] yeah, we def need to put in new digikam [14:48] digikam, kphotoalbum, showfoto (ish) [14:48] is that a kde4 version of digikiam? [14:49] jjesse: yeah [14:49] education-desktop-kde (ish) [14:49] yay [14:49] I think we need to simply zap the old kipi [14:49] so, whatever it takes ot make it go away [14:51] the 0.10.0 series is the KDE 4 version which will use the new kipi [14:52] what happened to the kde4 kphotoalbum? [14:52] \o/ DigiKam rocks the house [14:53] rgreening: fancy testing if the debian digikam 0.10 from experimental will work unaltered in jaunty? [14:53] it won't [14:53] hehe [14:53] or at least the Build-Depends are wrong [14:53] what's wrong with them? [14:53] or is that something else that was changed in the last kdegraphics upload? [14:53] I think it might have been [14:54] although I do get confused between all these libkipikexivkexif libraries :) [14:54] Our kdegraphics is mostly debians from the merge, woth a few of our conflict/replace requirements [14:54] that was the plan [14:55] So, digikam from debian using our kdegraphics should work in theory [14:55] good morning Kubuntu! [14:55] * rgreening gets a jaunty install up and running... [14:56] rgreening: install? or debootstrap chroot? [14:56] vm [14:56] yeah, sorry, stale caches. [14:56] Riddell: I have a intrepid vm... gonna up it to Jaunty for supreme breakage [14:58] anyone using gmail via smtp/pop? [14:59] I used to use gmail that way [15:01] nixternal: any issues sending over last 2 days? [15:01] haven't used it in a while...typically the gmail help will have something under their groups portion [15:01] nixternal: I can't (from Canada) seem to be able to send any outgoing e-mail from two different ISP's using the settings I've always used (using it via Kmail) [15:02] -6c today [15:02] lovin' it [15:02] nixternal: I searched last night, and never saw anything.. [15:02] rgreening: ahh, is kmail choking when you send? [15:02] nixternal: yes [15:03] I used to get that same problem with kmail in the past...I always had to delete the account info out of the configs and reconfig it [15:03] pain in the arse [15:03] it could very well be a hosed config [15:04] which is funny, because if you were to backup your config, and create a new config with the same settings and then diff them, no diff whatsoever [15:04] It's happening to my system (Intrepid) and to my wifes (Hardy). Both started happening the same time. I also tried removing my kmail config with no change [15:04] hrmm, sounds like a gmail issue then [15:04] or an ISP issue [15:04] Im leaning toward canadian backbo0ne [15:04] nixternal: can you test on your end and send me something? [15:04] man that opened up the possibility for a good joke :P [15:05] ya, let me send you something from gmail now [15:05] email addy? [15:05] roderick.greening AT [15:07] at what? [15:08] gmail.com (I thought you'd ssume it hehe) [15:08] oh...hahaha, ya, you would think so :p [15:08] ~facts about assume [15:08] [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me' [15:08] :) [15:08] * rgreening assumed [15:08] you've got mail! [15:09] or you should have mail [15:09] k [15:10] nixternal: so, you had no issue to send. and using 465 with SSL pointing to smtp.gmail.com? [15:10] on a 4gig system you shouldn't try to rung 3.2 gbs worth of virtual machines [15:10] im just saying [15:10] rgreening: let me check my mutt settings [15:11] set smtp_url = 'smtps://nixternal@smtp.gmail.com:465' [15:11] yup [15:11] must be an isp issue. I'm going to test another machine just to be sure... [15:18] Ok, just tried from a clean kmail in my Intrepid vm. still fails. [15:25] nixternal: HIho === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [16:12] NCommander, Riddell: are you aware that the kde4libs build is run twice? it reruns the configure on install. [16:12] some for other kde packages? [16:13] doko, cmake is kinda weird like that, its not rebuilding the entire package from scratch as far as I can tell [16:13] Riddell, when is 4.1.80 going to hit the archive? [16:20] NCommander: ask JontheEchidna [16:21] NCommander: hopefully by monday [16:23] Riddell: digikam 10 from debian experimental installs fine, but crashes on launch. I think it need a rebuild against Jaunty. I'll try and do a rebuild on it. [16:25] rgreening: yes I'd expect hat [16:25] that [16:28] Riddell: so the install deps appear to be ok. Now, I'll test the build ones... [16:28] * rgreening goes and builds a jaunty pbuilder env. [16:30] smarter: I ordered the Rapid Gui Programming With Python And Qt: The Definitive Guide To Pyqt Programming today from Amazon. [16:38] NCommander, Riddell: the good thing is that the armel build did go on, but let's see how long the "install" will take ... [16:38] doko, it took about 10 minutes on my NSLU2 [16:39] NCommander: well, not sure what I'm currently seeing, but it did start counting the percentage marker up again [16:39] doko, make install recalls make all to make sure everything is linked together [16:39] and to build the docs :-) [16:40] * NCommander thinks Launchpad need a realtime build-log scroller thingy [16:40] Installing: [16:40] W001 [16:40] NCommander: How real time do you need?https://launchpad.net/+builds/kahikatea [16:41] ScottK, auto-rescroll, with AJAX and a transparent window :-) [16:41] * NCommander runs [16:42] NCommander: No need to run. That'd be far more useful than some of the stuff LP has sufficient developer time for (the developer map is my current favorite useless LP feature). [16:43] ScottK, the idea behind it is sound; see where in the world other developers are so you can determine what time it is at their relative 127.0.0.1 [16:43] NCommander: They already exposed TZ in the text U/I. The idea was to have fun doing useless stuff and make LP even slower. [16:44] Actually I think it's supposed to be some kewl team building thing. [16:44] haw, its building debs! [16:44] Mostly I notice it slows the people pages down since it now has to consult Google to load the page. [16:51] hmm, libchm-dev [16:52] I have a vauge memory that failed MIR [16:53] Riddell, why? [16:53] yeah "* Don't build-dep on libchm, failed main inclusion report" [16:53] NCommander: "security" I think [16:53] \o/ [16:53] How the hell can someone right an insecure CHM file parser [16:54] s/right/write/g [16:56] seele: How'd the feedback on your last blog post go? [16:58] NCommander: Request approved. [16:59] ScottK, what request? [16:59] ScottK: 58 comments and counting [16:59] NCommander: Pythonistas. [16:59] w00t [16:59] YALPG [16:59] * ScottK goes and looks. [16:59] Riddell, what's depending on libchm-dev specifically? [16:59] seele, what blog? [16:59] ScottK: the problem with blog entires that only people who are pissed off comment [17:00] NCommander: okular can use it [17:00] i've gotten a lot of private messages of good comments, but you wouldnt be able to tell from reading the blog comments that there were two sides [17:00] NCommander: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/on-distributions-kubuntu-and-kde/ [17:00] Riddell, its not a hard depends? [17:00] NCommander: meant to be well thought out and people are taking it as inflammatory [17:00] * seele sighs [17:00] NCommander: no, we removed it in intrepid [17:01] Oh [17:01] seele: Heh. Well you might do a follow-up along the lines of "If you want a current Debian based distro with KDE3.5, go install Lenny". [17:02] * Riddell builds it in jaunty without libchm [17:09] mm, now it doesn't want to build at all === |Artemis_Fowl| is now known as Artemis_Fowl [17:14] seele: My five year old loves Kubuntu Intrepid. KDE4 has got her attention in a way that KDE3 never did. She can work it just fine too. Her only complaint was that Tux is missing from Potato Guy (I filed a bug). [17:14] seele: I do think the people who complain about increased complexity in the KNetworkManager U/I have a point. Perhaps that'd be a good usability focus for Jaunty? [17:15] NM is going to be entirely redone most likely [17:16] kdegraphics has gone mad, it's moaning that it needs libkipi but it's the source of libkipi [17:16] Riddell: Better or worse? [17:16] .. NM [17:16] oh my [17:16] ScottK: i think once the plasmoid comes out it will be much better [17:16] knm goes away and gets replaced [17:17] afaik the existing ui was mostly a stopgap [17:17] ^ that be optimal [17:17] rgreening: that's the plan [17:17] knm is bad [17:17] Great. That's one area where I agree withthe complainers that we regressed in Intrepid. [17:17] but at least I get wireless [17:18] wth [17:18] Nightrose: you should coordinate your schedule with KDE [17:18] ? [17:18] packaging? [17:19] ;-) [17:19] yea [17:19] sorry [17:19] * apachelogger kicks off quassel, bzr pulls latest amarok packaging and goes finding something to eat [17:19] amarok for kdemultimedia schedule! [17:20] righto [17:20] Nightrose: you people have become old, too few releases to justify extragear :P === bastian is now known as OculusAquilae [17:26] ? [17:27] what do I need to pack for France? [17:27] swim shorts? [17:29] oh aye [17:30] In this weather? [17:32] hey jpds! [17:32] Bonsoir smarter. [17:33] long time no see ;) [17:33] Tu me as jamais vu. [17:33] s/see/read/ then [17:33] ¿qué tal? [17:33] Headache. [17:34] oh [17:34] Et toi? [17:34] bien [17:35] (I'll let you decide if this is French or Spanish :p) [17:35] actually, I may have a headache soon too because of sed and regexp overuse [17:37] Well, at least we're learning loads at school. [17:37] of languages* [17:46] someone please check http://paste.ubuntu.com/75318/ [17:48] Great bugreport. Second half = Look of adept ugly and layout unpratical as compared with adept version in [17:48] KDE-3 [17:48] That just proves the old saying that you can't please everyone. === jdong_ is now known as jdong [18:22] kde revision 886742 [18:22] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=886742&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 886742 [18:26] smarter: got a sec? I'm trying to activate the help about menu in my application, but unsure how to connect it? Got any example using a call to a .ui file? === Roger_ is now known as DaSkreecH [18:39] * TekkieFreak waves [18:42] * DaSkreecH drowns [18:42] DS...you are funny. [18:42] :) [18:43] Surely you are not swimming while using your computer. :) [18:44] Okie...so does kde 4 support dual monitors? Anyone know? [18:45] TekkieFreak: Yes. The biggest limitation isn't in KDE, but in xrandr. Each monitor needs to be at the same resolution. [18:45] * ScottK did it on Intrepid (with 4.1.3) as recently as yesterday. [18:46] Oh...okie...because I've got a dell laptop and then I plugged the external monitor in...and mirrored them [18:46] TekkieFreak: You brought on the waves [18:46] Now the external doesn't show my whole desktop it's got the scrolling action. [18:46] I can't swim with the awesomeness of KDE waves [18:46] TekkieFreak: Dunno about that. [18:47] Sounds like xrandr fun though. [18:47] Hrm. Okie dokie then <---- That's Minnesota talk, btw. [18:48] * ScottK is familiar with Minnesota (wife is from there). [18:48] Ah. :) Well hopefully then you are somewhere warmer than here today. [18:49] My hubby is from Wisconsin so we end up watching lots of Packer games. [18:51] what you mean by "warmer" ? [18:51] as in, how cold is there? [18:51] Well it's like 10 F right now. [18:52] in C please (: [18:52] -12 [18:52] -12 C --- but according to my weather applet it's 32 now. Which is 0 C [18:53] oh, that isn't cold [18:53] I guess it warmed up...but was -12C when I left home this morning. [18:53] Yeah 32 is no problem. [18:53] * Tm_T is waiting for snow storm coming sunday evening [18:53] finally [18:53] It's 28 here [18:53] TekkieFreak: I'm used to have -30 or more in winter [18:53] Tm...where are you? [18:54] eastern Finland [18:54] see https://edge.launchpad.net/~tmt [18:54] Ah. :) I want to come visit you!!! [18:54] please do [18:54] Tm_T: Once it's actually winter Minnesota gets that cold too. I think it's no suprise most of the original European settlers were from Scandanavia. [18:54] it's all snowy here altready <3 [18:55] I want to go to Sweden really bad...I bought my tin of Pepparkakor for Christmas yesterday. [18:55] why to Sweden? [18:55] My relatives are all Swedish. [18:55] It was snowing here (in Maryland) today, but the sun came out and it's gone now. [18:55] I've never been there though. [18:55] * DaSkreecH ponders a python kwibber [18:55] TekkieFreak: I can feel your pain, I mean, uh... [18:55] * Tm_T hides [18:55] My Mom was 100% Swede. :) Right down to the crankiness. :) [18:55] DaSkreecH: murh [18:55] * DaSkreecH chuckles [18:56] Tm_T: meh ? [18:56] TekkieFreak: crankiness isn't "swedish" thing really [18:56] Tm_T: Maybe it's a Minnesota thing then. :) [18:56] DaSkreecH: murrrh [18:57] myrtti ? Tm_T? [18:57] <==> [18:57] DaSkreecH: meh (:) [18:57] I worked for a Swedish consulting firm for about a year...and then all settled down in Florida. [18:57] gwibber is in git? [18:57] DaSkreecH: you know what? I might have time to do it a lot during next month (:) [18:57] DaSkreecH: bzr [18:57] They were all from Sweden...and so it was fun to go down there in January and work. [18:57] * DaSkreecH dances with Tm_T [18:58] Oh right. he is enamoured of that. Hmm [18:58] guess I need to learn bzr [18:58] apachelogger: turns out bug 278471 was caused by.... a patch ;-) [18:58] Launchpad bug 278471 in kdebase-workspace "Screen flickers or blanks every 10 s with KDE4" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278471 [18:59] TekkieFreak: you would love to get to russian border, in dark, get over it, and meet lovely wolfes we have here until some border guards catch you up ;--P [18:59] Tm....I would LOVE to come in summer and see the midnight sun. [19:00] nothing special, except you can read all night in sunlight if you like [19:00] Russian Wolves are interesting [19:00] but may make sleeping hard if you haven't used to it [19:00] DaSkreecH: indeed [19:00] * DaSkreecH is not used to sleeping in any case [19:01] Wolves...we have some here...but I live in the Suburbs...so we don't see many. [19:01] we have a good deal here all wrapped up in people colthing [19:01] If you go "Up Nort" there's even Moose. [19:02] DS...heh, yeah I was going to say that typically the people are more scary than the wolves. :) [19:03] nastier bites [19:05] Tm_T: Have you ever seen the Danish film: The Kingdom? I think it's late from late 90's. [19:05] perhaps, why? [19:06] Just curious...I just thinks it's a good film. Really creepy. [19:16] Ok, technical question...is it possible to just download the kde-base packages, work on the code and then "run" or "execute" them? [19:16] How does that work since I'm already running a kde desktop. [19:16] TekkieFreak: You have to recompile them. [19:17] ScottK, yep...that's fine...but then for testing? How dose one test them? [19:17] does...sorry...can't type. [19:17] Build a new .deb, install said .deb (sudo dpkg -i filename.deb). [19:18] There's a decent wiki page on this. [19:18] Oh!!! Ok. [19:18] I'm looking for it. [19:21] So what would be say a good "small" package I could download the source for and get my feet wet? [19:22] helloworld [19:22] And I imagine there's a bunch of API's available? [19:22] None of the core KDE packages are 'small'. [19:22] :) Oh sheesh...I'm feeling *really* green now. :) [19:23] TekkieFreak: No problem. We're glad to have you here wanting to learn. [19:23] Right...so I think I better start smaller...um....I dunno "weather applet" or something. :) [19:23] KDE packages are somewhat famously huge. [19:23] Well the core ones are [19:23] Something plasmoid like. [19:23] Yeah. [19:23] * DaSkreecH pokes Tm_T. Kwibber plasmoid? :-) [19:24] TekkieFreak: Are you running Intrepid? [19:24] ScottK...I used to be a Java2 programmer, so I have some knowledge, just not used to this environment. [19:25] Yes, running intrepid...and back to kde 4.1 [19:25]