[00:13] <seele> Hobbsee: :)
[01:47]  * DaSkreech throws konfetti at Hobbsee
[01:47]  * Hobbsee throws bees at DaSkreech
[01:48] <claydoh> seele: nice blog article
[01:48]  * claydoh wishes he had as good a way with words
[02:09]  * NCommander throws Hobbsee at DaSkreech 
[02:09] <NCommander> :-)
[02:09] <DaSkreech> Wheeeee
[02:09]  * Hobbsee sails through the air
[02:09]  * NCommander moves the rocks to calculate the necessary physics to simulate this event
[02:09]  * DaSkreech *gets squooshed under the one down under*
[02:10] <DaSkreech> NCommander: Ha ha
[02:10] <DaSkreech> Geek
[02:10] <NCommander> that xkcd really touched me on some level
[02:10] <DaSkreech> Wait.. I got it
[02:10]  * DaSkreech mourns how sad he is
[02:10]  * DaSkreech wonders how long Hobbsee can sail
[02:10] <NCommander> DaSkreech, you are approaching a sad realization. Cancel or Allow?
[02:10] <DaSkreech> Ha ha hah
[02:11] <DaSkreech> Oh I made myself sad again
[02:11]  * NCommander moves a rock to cause Hobbsee to experience gravity
[02:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:11]  * Hobbsee dies.
[02:11]  * DaSkreech catches Hobbsee gently
[02:12]  * NCommander watches Hobbsee burst into flames
[02:12] <NCommander> Continue: Yes/No?
[02:12]  * DaSkreech outs them with tears
[02:12] <NCommander> argh
[02:12]  * NCommander was planning to turn her into a phoenix with physics to have her respawn
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Oh ok
[02:12]  * DaSkreech gets marshmellows
[02:13]  * NCommander wonders if the Phoenix on mars will resurrect
[02:13] <NCommander> O_O;
[02:13] <NCommander> WTF?
[02:15] <DaSkreech> ubottu is allowed to quit
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Shut up
[02:18] <DaSkreech> ubottu lag
[02:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah right you don't
[02:19] <NCommander> !hobbsee DaSkreech
[02:19] <NCommander> O_o;
[02:19] <NCommander> WTF?
[02:19] <nixternal> evening
[02:19] <NCommander> Where's did Hobbsee go
[02:19] <DaSkreech> hi nixternal I was just thinking of you
[02:20] <nixternal> no you weren't
[02:20]  * Hobbsee ran aawy/
[02:20] <nixternal> smart woman!
[02:20]  * nixternal tried to run away :)
[02:20]  * NCommander moves the rocks to remove the door
[02:57]  * Hobbsee finds http://www.kde.org/users/faq.php#1-1 interesting
[02:57] <Hobbsee> they're not even giving a date on when they're stopping support - ie, they already have, and it's up to distros to support it with bug fixes and maintenance.
[03:00]  * Hobbsee wonders if the kde3 users realise this, in their determination to stick with it
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> they started closing ARts bugs today as won't fix
[03:04] <Hobbsee> \o/
[03:04] <Hobbsee> can we close all of ours too?  :P
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> I closed the ones that were linked with upstream bugs :P
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> but I'm afraid the others won't die easily until we stop supporting a release with arts :/
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> unless we could all just agree that we won't support it \o/
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hmmm, when does dapper EOL on the desktop?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> 6.06...9.06?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> that's next june
[03:14] <Hobbsee> can we just declare it june 09 and be done?
[04:59] <ScottK> The answer should be, "If you want to stick with KDE3, you should be running Lenny, not Intrepid".
[05:13] <ScottK> Is there a wiki page or something on troubleshooting key code issues?
[05:13] <ScottK> If I set my laptop to display on both displays at boot (when the bios controls it), it works great.  I can't, however, switch after the OS takes control.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> yes, lure has one
[05:20] <Hobbsee> search the wiki, it comes up pretty quickly, iirc.
[05:21] <ScottK> I found a Mobile Team one.  That must be it.
[06:11]  * NCommander is back
[06:11] <NCommander> my NSLU2 been linking libkhtml.so for over 3 hours ...
[06:19] <ScottK> That sounds like it may be rather personal information.
[06:20] <ScottK> Good night.
[07:11] <doko> $ dpkg -S qt4.tag
[07:11] <doko> dpkg: *qt4.tag* not found.
[07:12] <doko> Riddell: so this was a null upload, taking 15h CPU time on armel ...
[07:24] <NCommander> doko, I finally have kde4libs fixed
[07:24]  * NCommander actually managed to build it on armel this time
[07:28] <doko> NCommander: \o/
[07:28] <NCommander> doko, I had to break out the cross-compiler and distcc to test it (12 hours to build, not counting the time to code the patch and test it)
[07:28]  * NCommander did note he did put a dent in the movies I wanted to watch list today
[07:29] <doko> NCommander: let me if I should upload it
[07:29] <NCommander> I want to test build it on amd64/i386 first
[07:29] <NCommander> Riddell will kill me at UDS if I break the build there :-)
[08:28] <Arby> morning
[08:49] <NCommander> Riddell, if you have no objection, I'm going to start working on why kde4bindings is FTBFSIng
[09:33] <Riddell> NCommander: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnepomukqueryclient"
[09:33] <Riddell> that should now exist
[09:34] <NCommander> Riddell, the FTBFS log looks like it can't install libplasma
[09:34] <NCommander> Are we ever going to fix that bug :-P
[09:34] <Riddell> should be installable now
[09:35] <Riddell> but the error I pasted is from the i386 log
[09:35] <Riddell> amd64 too
[09:37] <NCommander> oh
[09:37] <NCommander> I'm talking about the armel/lpia log :-P
[09:37]  * Riddell clicks retry
[09:43] <Riddell> qt built on arm, despite complaints above
[11:50] <james_w> hey hey
[11:50] <james_w> anyone know what is intended to happen with libkipi?
[11:51] <james_w> the last upload of kdegraphics dropped the libkipi-common package, but libkipi0 still depends on it.
[11:52] <james_w> if we simply remove the dependency libkipi0 and libkipi5 are no longer co-installable, so you won't be able to install some KDE3 apps on Kubuntu
[11:52] <james_w> my suggestion would be to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5, but that means you have one extra lib if you e.g. install digikam on GNOME
[11:53] <james_w> but in my opinion making KDE4 installable on KDE4 trumps wanting to minimise KDE libs installed when using a KDE application on GNOME any day
[11:59] <Riddell> hi james_w
[12:00] <Riddell> james_w: I think digikam will go KDE 4 only in jaunty
[12:00] <james_w> hi Riddell, you're not supposed to be here :-)
[12:00] <Riddell> I'm not?
[12:00] <Riddell> so we can just drop libkipi0 in jaunty
[12:00] <james_w> oh, I thought you were on holiday
[12:00] <Riddell> not until this evening
[12:00] <Riddell> I should pack at some point :)
[12:01] <james_w> dropping libkipi0 would obviously be great
[12:02] <james_w> is leaving it un-installable until then the right thing to do?
[12:03] <Riddell> that's not ideal, would be pretty easy to make libkipi0 depend on libkipi5 quickly today and plan to have digikam for KDE 4 packaged soon
[12:04] <james_w> I'm happy to do that if you are happy with that solution
[12:04] <james_w> bug 299353 is what is prompting me
[12:05] <Riddell> james_w: that would be most good of yuo
[12:06] <james_w> cool, I'll get on it
[12:09] <james_w> Riddell: also, in your kdegraphics upload you didn't add Conflicts/Replaces of libkipi-common on libkipi5, though your changelog suggests you intended to. Am I missing something?
[12:10] <Riddell> rgreening didn't :)  yes it should do that
[12:11] <james_w> ah, sorry, saw the "R" and didn't look at the rest of the name :-)
[12:11] <james_w> also, apachelogger, have you seen bug 300554?
[12:16] <Riddell> there's no file kcolorchooser.png in kcoloredit
[12:17] <james_w> that's odd then
[12:21] <Riddell> I'll ask what version he has
[14:12] <james_w> anyone familiar with input methods at all?
[14:13] <jjesse> if i'm having problems with suspend on my laptop what is that a bug against?  acpi?  something else?
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> you would have more luck making burnt sacrifices to various gods
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:15] <james_w> not the acpi packge, there's little in there
[14:15] <james_w> the kernel may be a good place to start
[14:19] <smarter> or /var/log/suspend.log
[14:19] <james_w> I ask as I am looking for someone to try and confirm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443
[14:19] <smarter> (the filename may be different, look inside /var/log for things related to suspend)
[14:22] <Riddell> james_w: try freeflying
[14:23] <james_w> thanks
[14:23] <jjesse> thanks for the infom smarter
[14:24] <james_w> freeflying: hi, I would greatly appreciate it if you have a few minutes to try fcitx under KDE with regargs to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506443. Thanks.
[14:39] <rgreening> Riddell: my kdegraphics did have a conflicts on libkipi5.. I'm looking at my control file here.
[14:39] <rgreening> Riddell: did the wrong diff get uploaded
[14:40] <Riddell> Conflicts: libkipi0, libkipi-common
[14:40] <rgreening> Riddell: actually, I only added a conflicts.. no replaces..
[14:40] <Riddell> there's a replaces too
[14:40] <Riddell> not sure what james_w was looking at then
[14:40] <rgreening> heh
[14:42] <james_w> yeah, sorry, I see them now
[14:43] <james_w> ah, my solution for libkipi0 will not work
[14:44] <james_w> the versions of C/R on libkipi0 were removed, so they are not co-installable
[14:45] <rgreening> james_w: yeah, for Jaunty, it was removed as there was no need ot have it co-installable with kde3
[14:47] <Riddell> we could put them back
[14:47] <james_w> well, there are still a few things requiring libkipi0 for now
[14:47] <james_w> someone might want to look at http://launchpad.net/bugs/298413 to fix digikam
[14:47] <rgreening> james_w: what requires libkipi0 at this piont
[14:48] <rgreening> yeah, we def need to put in new digikam
[14:48] <james_w> digikam, kphotoalbum, showfoto (ish)
[14:48] <jjesse> is that a kde4 version of digikiam?
[14:49] <rgreening> jjesse: yeah
[14:49] <james_w>  education-desktop-kde (ish)
[14:49] <jjesse> yay
[14:49] <rgreening> I think we need to simply zap the old kipi
[14:49] <rgreening> so, whatever it takes ot make it go away
[14:51] <Riddell> the 0.10.0 series is the KDE 4 version which will use the new kipi
[14:52] <james_w> what happened to the kde4 kphotoalbum?
[14:52] <rgreening> \o/ DigiKam rocks the house
[14:53] <Riddell> rgreening: fancy testing if the debian digikam 0.10 from experimental will work unaltered in jaunty?
[14:53] <james_w> it won't
[14:53] <rgreening> hehe
[14:53] <james_w> or at least the Build-Depends are wrong
[14:53] <Riddell> what's wrong with them?
[14:53] <james_w> or is that something else that was changed in the last kdegraphics upload?
[14:53] <Riddell> I think it might have been
[14:54] <Riddell> although I do get confused between all these libkipikexivkexif libraries :)
[14:54] <rgreening> Our kdegraphics is mostly debians from the merge, woth a few of our conflict/replace requirements
[14:54] <Riddell> that was the plan
[14:55] <rgreening> So, digikam from debian using our kdegraphics should work in theory
[14:55] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu!
[14:55]  * rgreening gets a jaunty install up and running...
[14:56] <Riddell> rgreening: install?  or debootstrap chroot?
[14:56] <rgreening> vm
[14:56] <james_w> yeah, sorry, stale caches.
[14:56] <rgreening> Riddell: I have a intrepid vm... gonna up it to Jaunty for supreme breakage
[14:58] <rgreening> anyone using gmail via smtp/pop?
[14:59] <nixternal> I used to use gmail that way
[15:01] <rgreening> nixternal: any issues sending over last 2 days?
[15:01] <nixternal> haven't used it in a while...typically the gmail help will have something under their groups portion
[15:01] <rgreening> nixternal: I can't (from Canada) seem to be able to send any outgoing e-mail from two different ISP's using the settings I've always used (using it via Kmail)
[15:02] <nixternal> -6c today
[15:02] <nixternal> lovin' it
[15:02] <rgreening> nixternal: I searched last night, and never saw anything..
[15:02] <nixternal> rgreening: ahh, is kmail choking when you send?
[15:02] <rgreening> nixternal: yes
[15:03] <nixternal> I used to get that same problem with kmail in the past...I always had to delete the account info out of the configs and reconfig it
[15:03] <nixternal> pain in the arse
[15:03] <nixternal> it could very well be a hosed config
[15:04] <nixternal> which is funny, because if you were to backup your config, and create a new config with the same settings and then diff them, no diff whatsoever
[15:04] <rgreening> It's happening to my system (Intrepid) and to my wifes (Hardy). Both started happening the same time. I also tried removing my kmail config with no change
[15:04] <nixternal> hrmm, sounds like a gmail issue then
[15:04] <nixternal> or an ISP issue
[15:04] <rgreening> Im leaning toward canadian backbo0ne
[15:04] <rgreening> nixternal: can you test on your end and send me something?
[15:04] <nixternal> man that opened up the possibility for a good joke :P
[15:05] <nixternal> ya, let me send you something from gmail now
[15:05] <nixternal> email addy?
[15:05] <rgreening> roderick.greening AT
[15:07] <nixternal> at what?
[15:08] <rgreening> gmail.com (I thought you'd ssume it hehe)
[15:08] <nixternal> oh...hahaha, ya, you would think so :p
[15:08] <rgreening> ~facts about assume
[15:08] <kubotu> [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me'
[15:08] <rgreening> :)
[15:08]  * rgreening assumed
[15:08] <nixternal> you've got mail!
[15:09] <nixternal> or you should have mail
[15:09] <rgreening> k
[15:10] <rgreening> nixternal: so, you had no issue to send. and using 465 with SSL pointing to smtp.gmail.com?
[15:10] <jjesse> on a 4gig system you shouldn't try to rung 3.2 gbs worth of virtual machines
[15:10] <jjesse> im just saying
[15:10] <nixternal> rgreening: let me check my mutt settings
[15:11] <nixternal> set             smtp_url                                = 'smtps://nixternal@smtp.gmail.com:465'
[15:11] <nixternal> yup
[15:11] <rgreening> must be an isp issue. I'm going to test another machine just to be sure...
[15:18] <rgreening> Ok, just tried from a clean kmail in my Intrepid vm. still fails.
[15:25] <DaSkreech> nixternal: HIho
[16:12] <doko> NCommander, Riddell: are you aware that the kde4libs build is run twice? it reruns the configure on install.
[16:12] <doko> some for other kde packages?
[16:13] <NCommander> doko, cmake is kinda weird like that, its not rebuilding the entire package from scratch as far as I can tell
[16:13] <NCommander> Riddell, when is 4.1.80 going to hit the archive?
[16:20] <Riddell> NCommander: ask JontheEchidna
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: hopefully by monday
[16:23] <rgreening> Riddell: digikam 10 from debian experimental installs fine, but crashes on launch. I think it need a rebuild against Jaunty. I'll try and do a rebuild on it.
[16:25] <Riddell> rgreening: yes I'd expect hat
[16:25] <Riddell> that
[16:28] <rgreening> Riddell: so the install deps appear to be ok. Now, I'll test the build ones...
[16:28]  * rgreening goes and builds a jaunty pbuilder env.
[16:30] <rgreening> smarter: I ordered the Rapid Gui Programming With Python And Qt: The Definitive Guide To Pyqt Programming today from Amazon.
[16:38] <doko> NCommander, Riddell: the good thing is that the armel build did go on, but let's see how long the "install" will take ...
[16:38] <NCommander> doko, it took about 10 minutes on my NSLU2
[16:39] <doko> NCommander: well, not sure what I'm currently seeing, but it did start counting the percentage marker up again
[16:39] <NCommander> doko, make install recalls make all to make sure everything is linked together
[16:39] <NCommander> and to build the docs :-)
[16:40]  * NCommander thinks Launchpad need a realtime build-log scroller thingy
[16:40] <NCommander> Installing:
[16:40] <NCommander> W001
[16:40] <ScottK> NCommander: How real time do you need?https://launchpad.net/+builds/kahikatea
[16:41] <NCommander> ScottK, auto-rescroll, with AJAX and a transparent window :-)
[16:41]  * NCommander runs
[16:42] <ScottK> NCommander: No need to run.  That'd be far more useful than some of the stuff LP has sufficient developer time for (the developer map is my current favorite useless LP feature).
[16:43] <NCommander> ScottK, the idea behind it is sound; see where in the world other developers are so you can determine what time it is at their relative 127.0.0.1
[16:43] <ScottK> NCommander: They already exposed TZ in the text U/I.  The idea was to have fun doing useless stuff and make LP even slower.
[16:44] <ScottK> Actually I think it's supposed to be some kewl team building thing.
[16:44] <NCommander> haw, its building debs!
[16:44] <ScottK> Mostly I notice it slows the people pages down since it now has to consult Google to load the page.
[16:51] <Riddell> hmm, libchm-dev
[16:52] <Riddell> I have a vauge memory that failed MIR
[16:53] <NCommander> Riddell, why?
[16:53] <Riddell> yeah "* Don't build-dep on libchm, failed main inclusion report"
[16:53] <Riddell> NCommander: "security" I think
[16:53] <NCommander> \o/
[16:53] <NCommander> How the hell can someone right an insecure CHM file parser
[16:54] <NCommander> s/right/write/g
[16:56] <ScottK> seele: How'd the feedback on your last blog post go?
[16:58] <ScottK> NCommander: Request approved.
[16:59] <NCommander> ScottK, what request?
[16:59] <seele> ScottK: 58 comments and counting
[16:59] <ScottK> NCommander: Pythonistas.
[16:59] <NCommander> w00t
[16:59] <NCommander> YALPG
[16:59]  * ScottK goes and looks.
[16:59] <NCommander> Riddell, what's depending on libchm-dev specifically?
[16:59] <NCommander> seele, what blog?
[16:59] <seele> ScottK: the problem with blog entires that only people who are pissed off comment
[17:00] <Riddell> NCommander: okular can use it
[17:00] <seele> i've gotten a lot of private messages of good comments, but you wouldnt be able to tell from reading the blog comments that there were two sides
[17:00] <seele> NCommander: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/on-distributions-kubuntu-and-kde/
[17:00] <NCommander> Riddell, its not a hard depends?
[17:00] <seele> NCommander: meant to be well thought out and people are taking it as inflammatory
[17:00]  * seele sighs
[17:00] <Riddell> NCommander: no, we removed it in intrepid
[17:01] <NCommander> Oh
[17:01] <ScottK> seele: Heh.  Well you might do a follow-up along the lines of "If you want a current Debian based distro with KDE3.5, go install Lenny".
[17:02]  * Riddell builds it in jaunty without libchm
[17:09] <Riddell> mm, now it doesn't want to build at all
[17:14] <ScottK> seele: My five year old loves Kubuntu Intrepid.  KDE4 has got her attention in a way that KDE3 never did.  She can work it just fine too.  Her only complaint was that Tux is missing from Potato Guy (I filed a bug).
[17:14] <ScottK> seele: I do think the people who complain about increased complexity in the KNetworkManager U/I have a point.  Perhaps that'd be a good usability focus for Jaunty?
[17:15] <Riddell> NM is going to be entirely redone most likely
[17:16] <Riddell> kdegraphics has gone mad, it's moaning that it needs libkipi but it's the source of libkipi
[17:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Better or worse?
[17:16] <ScottK>  .. NM
[17:16] <rgreening> oh my
[17:16] <seele> ScottK: i think once the plasmoid comes out it will be much better
[17:16] <rgreening> knm goes away and gets replaced
[17:17] <seele> afaik the existing ui was mostly a stopgap
[17:17] <rgreening> ^ that be optimal
[17:17] <Riddell> rgreening: that's the plan
[17:17] <rgreening> knm is bad
[17:17] <ScottK> Great.  That's one area where I agree withthe complainers that we regressed in Intrepid.
[17:17] <rgreening> but at least I get wireless
[17:18] <apachelogger> wth
[17:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you should coordinate your schedule with KDE
[17:18] <Nightrose> ?
[17:18] <Nightrose> packaging?
[17:19] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:19] <Nightrose> yea
[17:19] <Nightrose> sorry
[17:19]  * apachelogger kicks off quassel, bzr pulls latest amarok packaging and goes finding something to eat
[17:19] <Riddell> amarok for kdemultimedia schedule!
[17:20] <apachelogger> righto
[17:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you people have become old, too few releases to justify extragear :P
[17:26] <Nightrose> ?
[17:27] <Riddell> what do I need to pack for France?
[17:27] <seele> swim shorts?
[17:29] <Riddell> oh aye
[17:30] <jpds> In this weather?
[17:32] <smarter> hey jpds!
[17:32] <jpds> Bonsoir smarter.
[17:33] <smarter> long time no see ;)
[17:33] <jpds> Tu me as jamais vu.
[17:33] <smarter> s/see/read/ then
[17:33] <smarter> ¿qué tal?
[17:33] <jpds> Headache.
[17:34] <smarter> oh
[17:34] <jpds> Et toi?
[17:34] <smarter> bien
[17:35] <smarter> (I'll let you decide if this is French or Spanish :p)
[17:35] <smarter> actually, I may have a headache soon too because of sed and regexp overuse
[17:37] <jpds> Well, at least we're learning loads at school.
[17:37] <jpds> of languages*
[17:46] <apachelogger> someone please check http://paste.ubuntu.com/75318/
[17:48] <mornfall> Great bugreport. Second half = Look of adept ugly and layout unpratical as compared with adept version in
[17:48] <mornfall> KDE-3
[17:48] <mornfall> That just proves the old saying that you can't please everyone.
[18:22] <apachelogger> kde revision 886742
[18:26] <rgreening> smarter: got a sec? I'm trying to activate the help about menu in my application, but unsure how to connect it? Got any example using a call to a .ui file?
[18:39]  * TekkieFreak waves
[18:42]  * DaSkreecH drowns
[18:42] <TekkieFreak> DS...you are funny.
[18:42] <TekkieFreak> :)
[18:43] <TekkieFreak> Surely you are not swimming while using your computer. :)
[18:44] <TekkieFreak> Okie...so does kde 4 support dual monitors?  Anyone know?
[18:45] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: Yes.  The biggest limitation isn't in KDE, but in xrandr.  Each monitor needs to be at the same resolution.
[18:45]  * ScottK did it on Intrepid (with 4.1.3) as recently as yesterday.
[18:46] <TekkieFreak> Oh...okie...because I've got a dell laptop and then I plugged the external monitor in...and mirrored them
[18:46] <DaSkreecH> TekkieFreak: You brought on the waves
[18:46] <TekkieFreak> Now the external doesn't show my whole desktop it's got the scrolling action.
[18:46] <DaSkreecH> I can't swim with the awesomeness of KDE waves
[18:46] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: Dunno about that.
[18:47] <ScottK> Sounds like xrandr fun though.
[18:47] <TekkieFreak> Hrm.  Okie dokie then <---- That's Minnesota talk, btw.
[18:48]  * ScottK is familiar with Minnesota (wife is from there).
[18:48] <TekkieFreak> Ah. :) Well hopefully then you are somewhere warmer than here today.
[18:49] <TekkieFreak> My hubby is from Wisconsin so we end up watching lots of Packer games.
[18:51] <Tm_T> what you mean by "warmer" ?
[18:51] <Tm_T> as in, how cold is there?
[18:51] <TekkieFreak> Well it's like 10 F right now.
[18:52] <Tm_T> in C please (:
[18:52] <TekkieFreak> -12
[18:52] <TekkieFreak> -12 C --- but according to my weather applet it's 32 now. Which is 0 C
[18:53] <Tm_T> oh, that isn't cold
[18:53] <TekkieFreak> I guess it warmed up...but was -12C when I left home this morning.
[18:53] <TekkieFreak> Yeah 32 is no problem.
[18:53]  * Tm_T is waiting for snow storm coming sunday evening
[18:53] <Tm_T> finally
[18:53] <DaSkreecH> It's 28 here
[18:53] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: I'm used to have -30 or more in winter
[18:53] <TekkieFreak> Tm...where are you?
[18:54] <Tm_T> eastern Finland
[18:54] <Tm_T> see https://edge.launchpad.net/~tmt
[18:54] <TekkieFreak> Ah. :) I want to come visit you!!!
[18:54] <Tm_T> please do
[18:54] <ScottK> Tm_T: Once it's actually winter Minnesota gets that cold too.  I think it's no suprise most of the original European settlers were from Scandanavia.
[18:54] <Tm_T> it's all snowy here altready <3
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> I want to go to Sweden really bad...I bought my tin of Pepparkakor for Christmas yesterday.
[18:55] <Tm_T> why to Sweden?
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> My relatives are all Swedish.
[18:55] <ScottK> It was snowing here (in Maryland) today, but the sun came out and it's gone now.
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> I've never been there though.
[18:55]  * DaSkreecH ponders a python kwibber
[18:55] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: I can feel your pain, I mean, uh...
[18:55]  * Tm_T hides
[18:55] <TekkieFreak> My Mom was 100% Swede. :) Right down to the crankiness. :)
[18:55] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: murh
[18:55]  * DaSkreecH chuckles
[18:56] <DaSkreecH> Tm_T: meh ?
[18:56] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: crankiness isn't "swedish" thing really
[18:56] <TekkieFreak> Tm_T: Maybe it's a Minnesota thing then. :)
[18:56] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: murrrh
[18:57] <DaSkreecH> myrtti ? Tm_T?
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[18:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: meh (:)
[18:57] <TekkieFreak> I worked for a Swedish consulting firm for about a year...and then all settled down in Florida.
[18:57] <DaSkreecH> gwibber is in git?
[18:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: you know what? I might have time to do it a lot during next month (:)
[18:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: bzr
[18:57] <TekkieFreak> They were all from Sweden...and so it was fun to go down there in January and work.
[18:57]  * DaSkreecH dances with Tm_T
[18:58] <DaSkreecH> Oh right. he is enamoured of that. Hmm
[18:58] <DaSkreecH> guess I need to learn bzr
[18:58] <jtechidna> apachelogger: turns out bug 278471 was caused by.... a patch ;-)
[18:59] <Tm_T> TekkieFreak: you would love to get to russian border, in dark, get over it, and meet lovely wolfes we have here until some border guards catch you up ;--P
[18:59] <TekkieFreak> Tm....I would LOVE to come in summer and see the midnight sun.
[19:00] <Tm_T> nothing special, except you can read all night in sunlight if you like
[19:00] <DaSkreecH> Russian Wolves are interesting
[19:00] <Tm_T> but may make sleeping hard if you haven't used to it
[19:00] <Tm_T> DaSkreecH: indeed
[19:00]  * DaSkreecH is not used to sleeping in any case
[19:01] <TekkieFreak> Wolves...we have some here...but I live in the Suburbs...so we don't see many.
[19:01] <DaSkreecH> we have a good deal here all wrapped up in people colthing
[19:01] <TekkieFreak> If you go "Up Nort" there's even Moose.
[19:02] <TekkieFreak> DS...heh, yeah I was going to say that typically the people are more scary than the wolves. :)
[19:03] <DaSkreecH> nastier bites
[19:05] <TekkieFreak> Tm_T: Have you ever seen the Danish film: The Kingdom? I think it's late from late 90's.
[19:05] <Tm_T> perhaps, why?
[19:06] <TekkieFreak> Just curious...I just thinks it's a good film. Really creepy.
[19:16] <TekkieFreak> Ok, technical question...is it possible to just download the kde-base packages, work on the code and then "run" or "execute" them?
[19:16] <TekkieFreak> How does that work since I'm already running a kde desktop.
[19:16] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: You have to recompile them.
[19:17] <TekkieFreak> ScottK, yep...that's fine...but then for testing?  How dose one test them?
[19:17] <TekkieFreak> does...sorry...can't type.
[19:17] <ScottK> Build a new .deb, install said .deb (sudo dpkg -i filename.deb).
[19:18] <ScottK> There's a decent wiki page on this.
[19:18] <TekkieFreak> Oh!!! Ok.
[19:18] <ScottK> I'm looking for it.
[19:21] <TekkieFreak> So what would be say a good "small" package I could download the source for and get my feet wet?
[19:22] <DaSkreecH> helloworld
[19:22] <TekkieFreak> And I imagine there's a bunch of API's available?
[19:22] <ScottK> None of the core KDE packages are 'small'.
[19:22] <TekkieFreak> :) Oh sheesh...I'm feeling *really* green  now. :)
[19:23] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: No problem.  We're glad to have you here wanting to learn.
[19:23] <TekkieFreak> Right...so I think I better start smaller...um....I dunno "weather applet" or something. :)
[19:23] <ScottK> KDE packages are somewhat famously huge.
[19:23] <DaSkreecH> Well the core ones are
[19:23] <ScottK> Something plasmoid like.
[19:23] <ScottK> Yeah.
[19:23]  * DaSkreecH pokes Tm_T. Kwibber plasmoid? :-)
[19:24] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: Are you running Intrepid?
[19:24] <TekkieFreak> ScottK...I used to be a Java2 programmer, so I have some knowledge, just not used to this environment.
[19:25] <TekkieFreak> Yes, running intrepid...and back to kde 4.1
[19:25] <TekkieFreak> What are we on  these days...Java 6?
[19:25]  * ScottK has no idea.
[19:25]  * ScottK has so far managed to avoid Java.
[19:26] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: We tend to like Python here, but are open minded.
[19:26] <TekkieFreak> I'm sure it's come a long way.  Python sounds good.
[19:26] <TekkieFreak> I can raid hubby's books...I think he has the nutshell book on python.
[19:26] <ScottK> That's a good one.
[19:27] <ScottK> For packaging though, you don't need to know much programming except for some shell scripting.
[19:27] <TekkieFreak> I should be able to handle that.  Amazing how many shell commands I still remember.
[19:28] <ScottK> To get started you'll want to set yourself up a proper build environment.  There are many ways to do this.
[19:28] <ScottK> pbuilder is probably the most common tool.
[19:28] <TekkieFreak> So is that just available through adept?
[19:28] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:29] <ScottK> You'll have to manipulate it via Konsole.
[19:29] <TekkieFreak> Okie...that shouldn't be a problem.
[19:29] <ScottK> For getting set up you'll want to enable intrepid-backports and install be version from there.
[19:29] <DaSkreecH> akonadi looks interesting as a microblog store
[19:30] <ScottK> The canonical (pun intended) Ubuntu documentation on pbuilder is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto - I however find a wrapper called pbuilder-dist much easier to deal with.
[19:31] <ScottK> After you install pbuilder, if you install ubuntu-dev-tools and then look at man pbuilder-dist it'll give you a much easier way to get set up.
[19:32] <TekkieFreak> Okie...cool.
[19:32] <rgreening> _Sime: you around?
[19:33] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing also has some good info and links to more.
[19:34] <ScottK> There used to be a simple flipping wiki page that talked about modifying a package and I can't find it.
[19:35] <ScottK> Probably well hidden in the packaging guide now.
[19:35] <ScottK> !packaging
[19:36] <TekkieFreak> Okie...this looks AWESOME!!
[19:36] <TekkieFreak> installing dev tools right now.
[19:36] <DaSkreecH> Welcome to *buntu
[19:37] <TekkieFreak> Oh so pbuilder is in the dev-tools?
[19:37] <TekkieFreak> looks like.
[19:42] <ScottK> pbuilder is a separate package.  pbuilder-dist is a wrapper for it that's in ubuntu-dev-tools.  You'll want devscripts too.
[19:47] <TekkieFreak> Ok, I'm not finding pbuilder-dist
[19:48] <TekkieFreak> Oh ok...I have pbuilder already.
[19:49] <ScottK> Did you install ubuntu-dev-tools
[19:50] <TekkieFreak> yes
[19:50] <ScottK> Then it should be installed on the system path and pbuilder-dist create jaunty should work.
[19:51] <TekkieFreak> ariel@Pikachu:~$ pbuilder-dist create jaunty
[19:51] <TekkieFreak> Warning: Unknown distribution «create». Do you want to continue [y/N]?
[19:53]  * smarter is back
[19:54] <smarter> rgreening: still need help? :)
[19:54] <rgreening> halp :)
[19:54] <rgreening> smarter: yep
[19:54] <rgreening> I'm so lost hahah
[19:54] <TekkieFreak> unknown distribution jaunty...do I want to continue?
[19:54] <smarter> Actually I never tried to connect it using the ui
[19:55] <smarter> and as .ui are not widely used for mainwindow in KDE...
[19:55] <rgreening> smarter: oh, that may explain my confusion
[19:56] <DaSkreecH> TekkieFreak: are you on jaunty?
[19:56] <TekkieFreak> No, I'm on intrepid
[20:00] <rgreening> smarter: I just updated the branch. Can you take a look and see what I am doing wrong? 1) I get two About menu items.. one form the ui and one I apparantly created new. And 2) getting it to show the about dialog
[20:00] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: If you install debootstrap from intrepid-backports it will know about Jaunty.
[20:02] <TekkieFreak> Okie...I'm just looking for how to enable the backports....hang on.
[20:03] <ScottK> TekkieFreak: I think Adept calls it 'unsupported updates" or something like that.
[20:04] <TekkieFreak> Okie...looking now.
[20:05] <TekkieFreak> Helps if I spell it correctly. :)
[20:06] <TekkieFreak> okie...I added deboostrap...but still doesn't know jaunty
[20:08] <smarter> rgreening: gonna take dinner, I'll see that after
[20:08] <TekkieFreak> Yep okie...I activated the "unsupported" packages in Adept.
[20:08] <TekkieFreak> Installed debootstrap with apt-get install
[20:09] <rgreening> ok, ty
[20:25] <TekkieFreak> Well time to go, thanks for all the help guys...I'll talk to you next week for sure.
[20:25] <TekkieFreak> Have a great weekend.
[20:30] <rgreening> smarter: I got it to show the About dialog... but still got two About menu entries... lol
[20:31]  * rgreening brains hurtz
[20:34] <jjesse> rgreening: its friday i think everyone's brain hurts
[21:13] <bfrog> there seem to be broken packages with backports enabled?
[21:13] <bfrog> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1) but 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[21:22] <ScottK> No libxml2 in backports.
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> ubuntu1.1, sounds like an intrepid-security package
[21:23] <ScottK> It is.
[21:23]  * ScottK needs to run out.
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> any ops around?
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> there is a disturbance in #kubuntu
[21:31] <smarter> ping jpds
[21:35] <LjL> JontheEchidna: use !ops when something like this happens
[21:35] <LjL> (and don't use it if it doesn't)
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> heh, ok
[21:48] <vorian> 18
[22:29] <Riddell> au revoir, see you in 10 days for FOSSCamp
[22:29]  * JontheEchidna waves to Riddell
[22:36] <smarter> bon voyage Riddell :)
[22:55] <bfrog> so any ideas on how to fix this little package fiasco I have?
[22:56] <bfrog> I shouldn't disable security should I?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> bfrog: file a bug against the app that won't build. Hopefully they can get an update in intrepid-updates that will fix this
[23:28] <ScottK> bfrog: What arch are you running?
[23:31] <bfrog> x64
[23:31] <bfrog> on the anl mirror (cause I get 2mbytes/s)
[23:32] <ScottK> bfrog: Try a different mirror.
[23:32] <bfrog> k
[23:33] <ScottK> -dev are usuall arch any so it and the other is arch all so it has an x64 specific package.  It looks like the -dev update is missing.
[23:33] <bfrog> yeah, us.archive.ubuntu.com is cool
[23:33] <bfrog> but not nearly as fast
[23:34] <bfrog> it works, thanks
[23:35] <bfrog> I guess there's some other security -dev package updates that are still going through the mirrors though
[23:35] <bfrog> I'll just wait till monday
[23:35] <ScottK> Possibly.