[00:00] <DarkSmoke> then it must be mandriva prob
[00:00] <DarkSmoke> or maybe it was using one of the early versions of kde4
[00:00] <DarkSmoke> dunno
[00:00] <jarrel> am loooking for a music share software
[00:00] <GGoby> carpii: Sorry got disconnected and had to eat...what I want to know is where in smb.conf do I specify the server name? I don't understand which entry does this?
[00:02] <GGoby> jarrel: Google is your friend...
[00:03] <GGoby> jarrel: http://www.google.com/search?q=music+share+software+for+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[00:04] <tzanger> good evening
[00:04] <GGoby> tzanger: Howdy
[00:04] <tzanger> for some reason amarok no longer works.. 7.10 here.  starting from the command line shows that amarok is spawning amarokapp but then I get QObject warnings about incompatible sender/receivers
[00:04] <tzanger> I haven't updated any kde libs... or kde anything that I'm aware of
[00:05] <tzanger> and konsole, kontact, kopete...all work
[00:12] <GGoby> How do I reload my smb.conf file?
[00:14] <tzanger> nobody?  Can someone help me figure out why amarok isn't working anymore?
[00:14] <GGoby> tzanger: What exactly is happening?
[00:15] <tzanger> GGoby: http://pastebin.ca/1263198
[00:15] <tzanger> if I run 'amarok' it just says it's runnign amarokapp, then after a while "it's taking a long time to start amarokapp"
[00:15] <DoubleD84> so I switched back to Kubuntu 8.04 and I don't understand why the the window focus is so different from 8.10 by default. Why do I have to click on the title bar to gain focus of a window?
[00:15]  * DoubleD84 has been drinking.. flame me if you'd like
[00:17] <GGoby> tzanger: I would say just remove the app...and then reinstall
[00:18] <CourtJesterG> Ok which file formats can i download for kubuntu .taar.gz , .rpm, yum, or deb? I forget?
[00:18] <CourtJesterG> using interped
[00:19] <EagleSn> .deb
[00:19] <coreymon77> CourtJesterG: use apt
[00:19] <EagleSn> .tar.gz for any distro
[00:20] <coreymon77> always check apt (aptitude/adept) first
[00:21] <EagleSn> synaptic is better than Adept
[00:21] <coreymon77> apt is better than all of them
[00:21] <CourtJesterG> see i am not understanding the fact when i site like adobe comes out with a flash player the dev team at ubuntu does somthing to them but adobe has already made it possible to use in our current os system so what are they doing to these files?
[00:21] <EagleSn> a synaptic clone built in Qt/KDE would be genial
[00:22] <coreymon77> CourtJesterG: they dont do anything to them, they just package them into a binary and put it on apt
[00:22] <coreymon77> makes it easier
[00:22] <CourtJesterG> then how come they have different file versions and all these other plug in for flash
[00:23] <coreymon77> CourtJesterG: because they are different file versions, new versions come out
[00:23] <coreymon77> fact is, checking apt first and doing everything you can from apt makes everything easier
[00:23] <CourtJesterG> i used adepts and the pluging still didn't have full fuction as say i used one that was in windows hence i still couldn't play my yoville
[00:23] <CourtJesterG> i have the flash the java and still no yoville
[00:24] <coreymon77> wrong one prob
[00:24] <coreymon77> !flash | CourtJesterG
[00:24] <CourtJesterG> also the fact if i download from a site install the adept doesn't even know i downloaded it whats that about different file versions
[00:25] <CourtJesterG> i'll check it out
[00:25] <coreymon77> of course adept doesnt know, you downloaded it seperately
[00:27] <No1PeaceDragon> stupid question here, is Ibex any better than heron?
[00:27] <victim[v]> No1PeaceDragon: it depends ;)
[00:28] <victim[v]> if you like KDE4 then 8.10 is better
[00:28] <victim[v]> 8.10 also fixes a lot of bugs
[00:29] <No1PeaceDragon> victim thanks was wondering whether an upgrade was advisable yet or not
[00:30] <victim[v]> I tried it a few weeks ago and returned to Hardy, because I prefer KDE3
[00:31] <No1PeaceDragon> well heron was my first attempt at linux based systems so I dont know diff between Kde's
[00:31] <CourtJesterG> is x86 going to work? i have an amd processors and nvidia graphics card don't think i have an x86
[00:32] <CourtJesterG> k7d lmaster motherboard
[00:32] <g0d> hello
[00:32] <g0d> very nice work with kubunru 4.1.2
[00:32] <g0d> but isnt it a little bit heavy?
[00:32] <g0d> would it be any optimizations later on?
[00:33] <CourtJesterG> they have kunntu 8:10
[00:33] <CourtJesterG> !x86
[00:33] <No1PeaceDragon> lol big optimization if ya ask me lol
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> g0d: are you using nvidia drivers by any chance?
[00:33] <g0d> nop
[00:33] <g0d> intel
[00:34] <coreymon77> CourtJesterG: amd_64?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> hmm, then it shouldn't be that
[00:34] <g0d> anyway..
[00:34] <CourtJesterG> no 32 bit so i am x86 correct?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> g0d: yeah, they're always optimizing
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> but some graphics cards are known to be a bit slow, like nvidia at the moment. though the drivers are getting faster
[00:35] <g0d> well 4.1.2 is ok but it needs some speed ups though
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> any particularly painful points?
[00:35] <CourtJesterG> !hardy
[00:35] <CourtJesterG> !interibed
[00:36] <g0d> i just feel tha the windows are not that smooth on the move and also the load times are much higher than the gnome ones
[00:53] <Adola> Hello!
[00:54] <mister-tea> !hi
[00:54] <Adola> How are you youuuguys!
[00:55] <Danu> Pretty Good =)
[00:55] <mister-tea> do you have a kubuntu question?
[00:55] <Adola> Ummm...This is my first time in IRC...And no, not right now. (I'm a dial-up user and plan on doing some major updates at a friends house.  Then, i may have a question)
[00:56] <Adola> Is this a "Question only" IRC thing?
[00:56] <mister-tea> !ot
[00:57] <Adola> Ok.  Can someone please tell me how to go to "#kubuntu-offtopic'
[00:57] <Adola> As I said, I'm new to IRC
[00:57] <mister-tea> type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:58] <Adola> Thanks!
[00:58] <EagleSn> put command /join kubuntu-offtopic
[00:58] <coreymon77> or just double click
[00:58] <Adola> AHAHAH, that..Seems pretty obvious
[00:58] <Adola> now that I see it.
[00:58] <Adola> Thanks guys for the help :D
[01:22] <afeijo> ops, I deleted 2 files that I shouldnt. How to recover?
[01:34] <bazhang> afeijo, you got an answer in #ubuntu ; why are you asking here?
[01:37] <afeijo> bazhang: I asked here first
[01:38] <afeijo> it was just 2 small .sh files, I'm rebuilding the last one
[01:38] <afeijo> time to sleep... cya folks
[02:00] <bryan> can someone help with installing openoffice? i have kubuntu intrepid which came with 2.4.  today, i tried to upgrade to 3.0 and it failed, now i can't install 2.4 or 3.0
[02:04] <colton_> Hi
[02:05] <linux_> hi
[02:05] <colton_> I just installed kubuntu and I'm having a problem. My sound doesn't work!
[02:06] <colton_> Does anyone know why my sound wouldn't be working in Kubuntu 4.1?
[02:10] <colton_> What is driver support on linux distros like? I mean, could that be the cause of not having sound?
[02:10] <bazhang> which sound card colton_
[02:11] <colton_> Oops. I don't know. Would that be a component inclused in my motherboard?
[02:11] <colton_> included*
[02:11] <bazhang> check lspci and paste.ubuntu.com with it
[02:12] <bazhang> or paste a single line here if you can find it.
[02:12] <DaSkreech> !paste
[02:12] <mister-tea> type lspci in konsole btw
[02:13] <bazhang> ubottu lag
[02:13] <colton_> Ok. 1 sec
[02:14] <colton_> Ok. I typed that in the console and I got about fifty lines of output.
[02:14] <mister-tea> !paste
[02:14] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com with it
[02:14] <bazhang> ubottu lag
[02:14] <mister-tea> bot is sleeping
[02:15] <colton_> Ok. I pasted it.
[02:15] <colton_> paste
[02:16] <DaSkreech> colton_: Give us back the URL
[02:16] <mister-tea> give the url
[02:17] <colton_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75052/
[02:17] <colton_> Now, are you going to use this data to hack into my computer?
[02:18] <bazhang> colton_, no
[02:18] <bazhang> that is not possible
[02:19] <colton_> I see.
[02:19] <mister-tea> you just gave the answer to what card
[02:19] <colton_> So were you able to check it out
[02:19] <mister-tea> intel 8082
[02:19] <mister-tea> 8280 my bad
[02:21] <colton_> So. What should I do?
[02:21] <mister-tea> again I read it wrong
[02:21] <mister-tea> be patient
[02:23] <mister-tea> 82801i
[02:30] <mister-tea> colton_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[02:31] <mister-tea> thats a good place to start if you still can't figure it out come back
[02:32] <colton_> K. thx. Do you think it is a driver problem?
[02:32] <mister-tea> the guide will step you through the more simple answers first
[02:33] <mister-tea> the good news is there is a driver
[02:35] <mister-tea> I worked for a week on mine just to find it was a one line edit to my grub
[02:40] <colton_> I'll check it out. Thx for your help
[02:40] <mister-tea> like I said the guide is pretty good but if no luck come back here
[02:44] <szrhawaii> does anyone know if there is such thing as a email client that adds all your email accounts into one program
[02:49] <szrhawaii> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[02:49] <szrhawaii> bye
[02:49] <mister-tea> cya
[03:03] <jimmy51_home> i just had a crash while playing a game
[03:03] <jimmy51_home> now my audio is stuck on the same noise, even though i restarted X
[03:03] <jimmy51_home> i tried init.d/alsa-utils restart
[03:03] <jimmy51_home> but it persists
[03:04] <jimmy51_home> what should i do (besides restart)
[03:04] <metbsd> what game
[03:04] <jimmy51_home> ut2004
[03:04] <jimmy51_home> oooh, the process was still running
[03:04] <jimmy51_home> i figured restart of X would kill processes launched while in it, but i guess now
[03:05] <jimmy51_home> weird
[03:05] <jimmy51_home> anyhoo, back to the game!
[03:06] <cwiedel> hi gang.
[03:06] <cwiedel> I switched to kubuntu recently, really enjoy it.
[03:07] <cwiedel> I used to use pclinuxos.
[03:07] <cwiedel> What I liked about it, and I am sure Kubuntu can do it, is when i hovered my mouse over an audio file, it would play it.
[03:07] <cwiedel> Anyone know how to config that?
[03:09] <cwiedel> everyone asleep?
[03:09] <cwiedel> :-)
[03:10] <pierre__> hello
[03:10] <pierre__> what is it that is automatically mounting my ntfs partitions in dolphin ?
[03:10] <mister-tea> cwiedel: maybe just no one knows the answer
[03:11] <mister-tea> !patience
[03:11] <cwiedel> mister-tea: I made that comment not to be mean or rude, i just wasn't seeing any chatter about anything.
[03:11] <pierre__> on the "place" tab, i have several "volumes ( ntfs )" entries, when i cllick on them it automatically mount them so i can browse it
[03:11] <trappist> let's not overreact, he wasn't bagging on anybody
[03:12] <mister-tea> no insult intended
[03:13] <pierre__> i would like these to be automounted on start, but mount display the type as fuseblk
[03:13] <pierre__> hence why i'm wondering what dolphin is using to mount ntfs partitions
[03:13] <pierre__> anybody knows ?
[03:13] <cwiedel> pierre__: sounds like an fstab to me, but i am a noob too. :-)
[03:14] <pierre__> yeah could modify it, but i just want to understand why the type is "fuseblk" at the minute
[03:14] <stdin> pierre__: it uses ntfs-3g, which uses fuse
[03:15] <juanantonio> Hello. I had a problem when starting with last version of kernel, I started with the previous one and KDE hasn't mounted an USB disk I have, can anyone tell me how to do it?
[03:15] <aanderse> are the kubuntu ninjas using debian repos at all?
[03:15] <cwiedel> pierre__: there is some info here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/auto-mounting-ntfs-partition-in-fstab-66808/
[03:15] <stdin> pierre__: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:16] <pierre__> stdin, cheers that explains  it
[03:17] <pierre__> thanks for the help, very much appreciated mates
[03:24] <nick77> hi everyone! i am using kubuntu, but i am not using the new kde 4.0, is there any reason to leave kde 3.*??????
[03:25] <cwiedel> nick77: I really enjoy 4.1, kde 3 is much more stable, so there really is any reason to switch, but when you do, you will hate 3/
[03:36] <nick77> cwiedel, i expected moar responses, but i guess urs is the best so far
[03:43] <Wicked> hmm...is there anyway to get the old style systemsettings back? this new one doesnt have alot of the stuff the old one did
[03:44] <Wicked> in the old one i could select through all the system services and start/stop or chose if they started at boot
[03:50] <Wicked> how do i disable a service from starting at boot in 8.10?
[03:52] <metbsd> i'm trying to get wireless to work.
[03:53] <metbsd> my network is using wpa-psk, how to get it to work?
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Wicked: system settings
[03:54] <Wicked> DaSkreech, it used to be in there...but on 8.10 i dont see it anywhere
[03:59] <happycycling> when I boot 8.10 for the live CD, I get nothing but a blank screen
[04:00] <happycycling> I reinstalled windows and my MBR is messed up, I'm trying to figure out how to get back into kubuntu
[04:04] <CourtJesterG> CLEAN TTTHE HARDRIVE TRY RESETTING CMOS TOO
[04:04] <CourtJesterG> sry caps
[04:04] <CourtJesterG> clean the whole harddrive dunno or try another reinstall
[04:04] <CourtJesterG> ntfs
[04:05] <CourtJesterG> if your harddrive supports it
[04:05] <babeck> Does anyone know how to single quote a piped string?  e.g.  qdbus org.kde.amarok /Player GetMetadata | grep arturl | sed 's/arturl:\sfile:\/\/\//\//' | sed 's/%20/\\ /g' |sed 's/^(.*)$/'$1'/'
[04:05] <CourtJesterG> blank screen had to do with your graphics card if you did recovery form the frub menu that would of fix it and try and fix your x-server
[04:06] <CourtJesterG> grub
[04:07] <Wicked> how do i disable a service from starting at boot in 8.10?
[04:07] <babeck> I'm trying to quote the final string with that last sed, but it doesn't seem to be working.
[04:07] <happycycling> hard to fix the black screen with a live CD
[04:10] <CourtJesterG> http://www.injunea.demon.co.uk/pages/page206.htm
[04:11] <CourtJesterG> try double quotes inside nested together
[04:12] <CourtJesterG> echo "echo \"'$my_name'\"" > $file_name
[04:12] <CourtJesterG> example
[04:13] <mike-solidus> kwin crashes everytime on startup and 90% of startups fail with the screen half not drawn or upside down or frozen
[04:14] <CourtJesterG> !kwin
[04:14] <mike-solidus> anyone have troubleshooting tips? i have a feeling from the wa the screen locks when it crashes it might have to do with my video card, i have an nvidia 9800
[04:14] <CourtJesterG> is that slang>
[04:14] <mike-solidus> kwin, is the kde window manager
[04:15] <CourtJesterG> you know most of these answers can be searched in the ubuntu or kubuntu forums
[04:15] <mike-solidus> yeah, but i've searched
[04:16] <mike-solidus> and evertime i find its probably a good idea to post something, it goes unanswerd for a couple weeks and i stop checking it and learn to deal with the problem, i can't deal with this one though
[04:16] <mike-solidus> 90% of the time my computer fails to start
[04:16] <CourtJesterG> try uninstalling your x server your hardware drivers and graphics driver then try reintalling them
[04:16] <CourtJesterG> no hang on
[04:16] <CourtJesterG> !xconfig
[04:17] <CourtJesterG> make sure your using the right driver as well
[04:17] <CourtJesterG> !fixres
[04:18] <mike-solidus> sw33t, i'll try those things and check back! thanks!
[04:18] <CourtJesterG> np
[04:20] <can__> selam
[04:24] <CourtJesterG> !java
[04:24] <CourtJesterG> hey which java does everyone use?
[04:26] <Agent_bob> who set the ban on root* ???
[04:27] <Agent_bob> !bot
[04:30] <colton_> Is there a place where the users of this chat room can set up profiles?
[04:31] <Agent_bob> colton_ /msg nickserv help
[04:32] <Agent_bob> it's not a chat room, it's an irc channel
[04:32] <colton_> What' sthe distionction?
[04:32] <Agent_bob> this is irc...
[04:32] <strn00b> Why cant I join #Ubuntu??
[04:32] <strn00b> It keeps sending me to #Ubuntu-unregged
[04:33] <Agent_bob> !register | strn00b
[04:33] <strn00b> I did REGISTER!
[04:33] <strn00b> and i /nick identify
[04:33] <Agent_bob> strn00b possably because they have been having problems today...
[04:34] <binMonkey> sun spots.
[04:34] <babeck> Thanks for the help, I figured out how to wrap a piped string in quotes using sed.  sed "s/.*/'&'/"  Now it's time to get the amarok2 karamba app working properly.  :)
[04:34] <strn00b> o.. well, im new to Ubuntu.. and im looking up stuff..
[04:34] <Agent_bob> strn00b you are not identified at present.
[04:34] <strn00b> what is Brezy, Drapper,. Horay?
[04:34] <Agent_bob> strn00b code names for the various releases
[04:34] <Agent_bob> !release
[04:35] <colton_> Is there any way to contact users of irc, other than through irc itself?
[04:35] <strn00b> how do i know what release i have?
[04:35] <strn00b> everything i try to 'make
[04:35] <strn00b> is coming up with errors
[04:36] <Agent_bob> strn00b /whois strn00b    <<< will show you are not registered.
[04:36] <Agent_bob> strn00b install build-essential
[04:36] <Agent_bob> strn00b and yes you can check your release info with the command    lsb_release -a
[04:36] <strn00b> sudo install build-essential?
[04:36] <Agent_bob> almost.
[04:37] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:37] <strn00b> i think i did that before and my version is current
[04:37] <Agent_bob> current ?   intrepid ?
[04:37] <binMonkey> if i install amarok-kde4 is that amarok2?
[04:37] <strn00b> ok im using intrepid
[04:38] <Agent_bob> dapper hardy and intrepid are all "current"
[04:38] <Agent_bob> !info amarok-kde4
[04:38] <strn00b> so if i put.. in my repository hardy... i am wrong
[04:38] <strn00b> i should change that
[04:39] <Agent_bob> strn00b if you are running intrepid and you have a repo set to hardy   yes that will cause errors
[04:39] <binMonkey> Agent_bob: but it's in the repos?
[04:39] <Agent_bob> binMonkey hardy ?
[04:39] <Agent_bob> !info amarok-kde4 hardy
[04:40] <Agent_bob> am i spelling it incorrectly ?
[04:40] <binMonkey> no, intrepid.
[04:40] <binMonkey> no.  it looks right.
[04:40] <Agent_bob> ;/   idk.
[04:41] <binMonkey> :(  dang.
[04:41] <CourtJesterG> dunno i unistalled my amarok reinstalled looked at the about amarok and th efile version was th esame
[04:41] <Agent_bob> binMonkey apt-cache show amarok-kde4
[04:41] <CourtJesterG> running intrepid didn't say 2
[04:41] <binMonkey> i want to install it for my mom for internet radio but it keeeps installing amarok2.
[04:41] <CourtJesterG> 2 is the latest
[04:42] <CourtJesterG> just type in shoutcast in browser
[04:42] <binMonkey> CourtJesterG: no.  too much for her.  and shoutcast keeps borking streamtuner.  i want amarok 1.4.1 for her.
[04:43] <Hydrogen> I hope you mean 1.4.10...
[04:43] <draik> !virus
[04:43] <strn00b> agent_bob should it be intrepid-security
[04:43] <CourtJesterG> ohh tthen adept in intrepid has it kubuntu 8.10 check out the site
[04:43] <CourtJesterG> !amarok
[04:43] <strn00b> agent_bob or just intrepid
[04:43] <binMonkey> Hydrogen: that's what i meant.
[04:44] <Hydrogen> thats good :)
[04:44] <Agent_bob> binMonkey i'm not going to suggest that you dl and install the hardy package  then set the priority to keep that version,  cause that would be against *buntu policy to suggest such a thing.
[04:44] <Hydrogen> I was not going to be your friend if you wanted to install 1.4.1
[04:44] <binMonkey> Agent_bob: thank you for not suggesting that.  :)
[04:45] <binMonkey> Hydrogen: was that an awful version?
[04:45] <Hydrogen> no, it is just ancient by now
[04:45] <Agent_bob> strn00b you will want both the normal   intrepid  and the intrepid-security   and also  intrepid-updates
[04:45] <strn00b> agent_bob i dont understand
[04:46] <thug> hola
[04:46] <strn00b> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ubuntu intrepid main
[04:46] <thug> a todos
[04:46] <thug> where are U from?????????
[04:46] <Agent_bob> strn00b something along the line of    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/18052
[04:47] <binMonkey> Agent_bob: that thing you didn't suggest, is that pinning?
[04:47] <CourtJesterG> !dapper
[04:47] <Agent_bob> thug no ASL games please.   if you want to use  /whois Agent_bob     you can lookup some information that way.  if you want to chat about the weather use   #kubuntu-offtopic   thank you.
[04:48] <binMonkey> my first ubuntu cd was warty warthog.  isn't that out of alphabetical order?
[04:48] <Agent_bob> binMonkey yes indeed it is.
[04:48] <Agent_bob> binMonkey again yes it is    out of abc order   and also the first release
[04:49] <thug> mmm
[04:49] <thug> what?????????
[04:49] <binMonkey> to this day i thank god i broke my windows and found that cd.
[04:49] <CourtJesterG> what java does everyone use for konqouer and firefox?
[04:49] <CourtJesterG> sun 6?
[04:49] <Agent_bob> binMonkey :)))
[04:49] <binMonkey> sun java6.
[04:50] <CourtJesterG> trying to narrow down my problem believe it was the java not the flash got the pages
[04:50] <Agent_bob> CourtJesterG none here.    so "everyone" is not a proper question.
[04:50] <binMonkey> CourtJesterG: what is the problem?
[04:51] <strn00b> Agent_bob build-essential is already the newest version
[04:52] <Agent_bob> strn00b did you update the package list after modifying the repos ?
[04:52] <CourtJesterG> yoville in myspace or face book its an app get to the screen where to hit start try to hit start and the app won't go any further
[04:52] <strn00b> yes
[04:52] <Agent_bob> strn00b ok, what at you trying to build ?
[04:53] <strn00b> agent_bob gspcav1-20071224
[04:53] <CourtJesterG> i use it for testing if it can do that then i am good and the java is good if not java needs work cause the flash works
[04:53] <strn00b> agent_bob web camera drivers!
[04:53] <binMonkey> try time.gov.  it's the simplest applet there is.
[04:53] <Agent_bob> strn00b and the error you are getting ?
[04:54] <CourtJesterG> yeah its simple it works trye that but it never works for yoville
[04:54] <strn00b> agent_bob i am connected to my Ubuntu system through freeNX, could that be affecting the make?
[04:54] <Agent_bob> shouldn't
[04:54] <Agent_bob> strn00b what error message ?
[04:55] <strn00b> agent_bob a lot of declarations of video functions are errors
[04:55] <Agent_bob> strn00b and did you read the README and any other all caps files in the source dir ?
[04:55] <strn00b> yes
[04:56] <binMonkey> my yoville works.  try update-alternatives --config java.
[04:56] <strn00b> agent_bob I tried installing gc-usb drivers as well and ERRORS too!
[04:57] <Agent_bob> strn00b you have "kernel-headers" installed correct ?
[04:57] <strn00b> agent_bob i installed them and installation said i had most current version
[04:59] <strn00b> im thinking i should do a FRESH Ubuntu 8.10 install and not use the 8.4 to 8.10 update
[04:59] <dr_willis> Ive had better luck sith fresh installs.. then Upgrades
[04:59] <Agent_bob> hmmm strn00b well seeing that i don't have intrepid,  i'm going to refer you to someone else,   you can /join #ubuntu    and see if trappist or someone else on the team can help you with that.     that's not at all kde related and so it's not kubuntu specific.
[04:59] <Agent_bob> unless someone like dr_willis has the time in here.
[05:00] <strn00b> what is Kubuntu?
[05:00] <dr_willis> Too busy playing Fallout3 for  now. :P
[05:00] <dr_willis> !kubuntu
[05:01] <Agent_bob> well i'd be shooting in the dark to much on that issue.   better to get "qualified" help
[05:02] <Agent_bob> stephen you may have to register before they will let you in #ubuntu though.
[05:02] <mirelchuy> hola
[05:02] <mirelchuy> alguien quiere charlar
[05:02] <Agent_bob> !es
[05:03] <strn00b> so Kubuntu uses a diffferent GUI
[05:03] <Agent_bob> yes
[05:03] <Agent_bob> kde in particular.
[05:04] <Agent_bob> other than that it's basicly the same.
[05:04] <strn00b> how long have you been using Ubuntu?
[05:04] <dr_willis> KDE is a different 'desktop' then Gnome.. yes...
[05:04] <strn00b> is KDE more like windows?
[05:04] <dr_willis> I dont feel it is...
[05:05] <dr_willis> given the vagenes sof the term 'like windows' :)
[05:05] <Agent_bob> strn00b sense it's second release.    and no i don't think it is either.
[05:05] <dr_willis> like 95? XP? Vista?
[05:05] <CourtJesterG> !jre
[05:05] <strn00b> like anyof them dr_willis
[05:05] <Agent_bob> dr_willis 3.1 maybe :)))
[05:05] <strn00b> lol 3.1 is oldddd
[05:06] <strn00b> when i try to install the gc-usb one error i remember was my Kernel and GCC versions were different
[05:07] <strn00b> i also have 2  kernel folders in my /usr/src/
[05:07] <Agent_bob> i still have a copy of windows 3.1     and it's almost as good as a linux console  if it just had a desent shell and job control and multi tasking and...
[05:07] <strn00b> one has generic appended to it
[05:07] <CourtJesterG> i rem 3.1 man i was little
[05:08] <strn00b> Agent_bob are you a dev?
[05:08] <Agent_bob> i wouldn't say that,  why?
[05:09] <strn00b> agent_bob what are some good dev tools?
[05:10] <strn00b> agent_bob for Ubuntu
[05:10] <CourtJesterG> ok when i am in the command interractive java config and i scroll down passt all that user agreenment to ok what do i hit i press enterrr tryed cntrl n and such what key to con't?
[05:10] <binMonkey> use tab to highlight "ok".
[05:11] <CourtJesterG> that work thanks =)
[05:11] <Agent_bob> first to your " Kernel and GCC versions "    install the correct gcc version.  (you can have many gcc versions installed)  second it depends on what you want to develop.
[05:11] <Agent_bob> @ strn00b
[05:12] <CourtJesterG> maybe this is why it never worked lol
[05:12] <dr_willis> No one ever thinks to use TAB. :)
[05:12] <CourtJesterG> nope  never thought of it
[05:13] <Agent_bob> three steps to check.   dirrectional keys,  tab key, mouse click.
[05:13] <binMonkey> CourtJesterG: i you didn't have the jre very few things would have worked.
[05:13] <Agent_bob> curses apps can be mouse aware.
[05:14] <binMonkey> Agent_bob: why do they call it curses?  that threw me for the longest time.
[05:14] <Agent_bob> !info ncurses
[05:14] <Agent_bob> pfft.
[05:14] <strn00b> agent_bob my kernel version as far as i know in /usr/src/ is linux-headers-2.6.27-7   and linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic
[05:14] <Agent_bob> !info ncurses-base
[05:15] <Agent_bob> strn00b uname -r will show the kernel version
[05:15] <binMonkey> ubottu should be called ubuddha.
[05:16] <strn00b> agent_bob 2.6.27.7-generic
[05:16] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | binMonkey
[05:16] <strn00b> Agent_bob: how do i get the right GCC version?
[05:17] <Agent_bob> strn00b apt-cache search ^gcc
[05:17] <Agent_bob> strn00b probably gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.?
[05:17] <CourtJesterG> i was trying to compile a gcc compiler =/
[05:17] <Agent_bob> CourtJesterG heh.
[05:17] <CourtJesterG> you know we can netwwork everyone ones computer here and make a super hub of netwrok file shareing so much easier
[05:18] <CourtJesterG> or hey lets start a service give me access to your computer and i'll do the work for you 1 tiem install payment to paypal
[05:18] <Agent_bob> CourtJesterG /dcc send Agent_bob /etc/shadow    >:]
[05:19] <Agent_bob> come on,,, share the files  :)))
[05:19] <strn00b> Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic'
[05:19] <strn00b> test -e include/linux/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf || (	
[05:19] <strn00b> 	echo "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";		
[05:19] <CourtJesterG> lol
[05:19] <Agent_bob> strn00b you'll need autoconf  if it's not installed.
[05:20] <strn00b> Agent_bob: how to install please?
[05:20] <Agent_bob> package manager of your choice
[05:20] <Agent_bob> strn00b and i thought i passwd the buck already...
[05:20] <Agent_bob> passed even
[05:21] <strn00b> Applications > ADD/Remove?
[05:21] <Agent_bob> still looking at CourtJesterG's password file i guess.
[05:21] <strn00b> im very new to Ubuntu
[05:22] <strn00b> but i love it.. i just need to learn what package managers are and stuff :D
[05:22] <Agent_bob> !apt
[05:22] <Agent_bob>                                &
[05:23] <strn00b> ok
[05:23] <strn00b> Agent_bob: so i sudo apt-get install autoconfig?
[05:23] <Agent_bob> autoconf
[05:23] <Agent_bob> not autoconfig
[05:24] <alex-huang> hello
[05:24] <strn00b> SWEET! its installing autoconf
[05:24] <dr_willis> what did ya expectit to do? :)
[05:24] <Agent_bob> lol
[05:24] <strn00b> tell me ERROR
[05:24] <strn00b> lol
[05:24] <Agent_bob> dr_willis he's all yours.   ;/
[05:25] <dr_willis> Agent_bob,  not me.. its almost bed time
[05:25] <alex-huang> is this chat room?about Kubuntu
[05:25] <dr_willis> alex-huang,  kubuntu support room.. yes...
[05:25] <Agent_bob> !topic | alex-huang
[05:25] <binMonkey> strn00b: get and ubuntu book.  seriously it can help you with a lot of stuff.
[05:26] <alex-huang> oh,thank you
[05:26] <Cameri> binMonkey: ubuntu book?
[05:26] <CourtJesterG> night
[05:26] <strn00b> binMonkey: have a pdf?
[05:26] <Cameri> binMonkey: besides the obvios (Google), do u know a website that hosts these?
[05:26] <Agent_bob> !bot | alex-huang you may also find this useful
[05:26] <dr_willis> !training
[05:27] <strn00b> dr_willis:  i use 8.10 sorry :D
[05:27] <binMonkey> Cameri: no.  i meant a real life book.  when i started i got the linux pocket guide and the linux desktop guide from o'reilly.
[05:27] <Agent_bob> 7.10 ?    why don't they do that stuff on the LTS releases...
[05:27] <dr_willis> strn00b,  for a total noob it dosent matter..
[05:27] <Cameri> alright
[05:27] <dr_willis> Agent_bob,  go update the book.. :) its 300+ pages...
[05:27] <strn00b> dr_willis: im a bigger noob than total
[05:27] <strn00b> :D
[05:28] <strn00b> i cant even get my nick identified
[05:28] <binMonkey> no way!  online ubuntu?  where was that when was wetting my pants with warty warthog?
[05:28] <strn00b> tells me im already strN00B lol
[05:28] <strn00b> ok i installed autoconf and still get the error
[05:29] <binMonkey> strn00b: I was the biggest noob ever.
[05:29] <strn00b>  Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic'
[05:29] <strn00b> test -e include/linux/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf || (	
[05:29] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:29] <strn00b>   ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid."
[05:29] <strn00b>  include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.";	\
[05:29] <strn00b>  Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix
[05:30] <Agent_bob> so do that
[05:30] <Agent_bob> make oldconfig && make prepare
[05:30]  * zenfractal can nslookup (UDP) hosts and ping hosts (ICMP) but can't connect any host via TCP on kubuntu 7
[05:30] <strn00b> should i go to the usr/src/kernel2.6-generical directory and call make?
[05:31] <strn00b> or can i call make oldconfig && make prepare from any dir?
[05:31] <Agent_bob> the source dir
[05:31] <strn00b> i dont wanna bust my system :D
[05:32] <Agent_bob> not likely too
[05:32] <strn00b> do i need sudo in front of make oldconfig?
[05:33] <Agent_bob> unless your user can write to the dir
[05:33] <Agent_bob> touch boo  #will test it for you.
[05:33] <strn00b> *** Error during writing of the kernel configuration.
[05:33] <binMonkey> strn00b: are you compiling your own kernel?
[05:33] <Agent_bob> binMonkey building drivers
[05:34] <Agent_bob> binMonkey can you help him with it?
[05:34] <binMonkey> noooooooooo way.  i'm afraid of that stuff still.
[05:34] <strn00b> make: *** No rule to make target `include/config/auto.conf', needed by `include/config/kernel.release'.  Stop.
[05:34] <strn00b> make[2]: *** [silentoldconfig] Error 1
[05:34] <strn00b> make[1]: *** [silentoldconfig] Error 2
[05:35] <Agent_bob> strn00b sudo -i      then cd to the source dir and run that string that it told you to.
[05:35] <Agent_bob> make oldconfig && make prepare   # <<< that one.
[05:36] <bryan> when i execute: sudo apt-get openoffice.org, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m1b8f270c
[05:36] <strn00b> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `kernel/bounds.c', needed by `kernel/bounds.s'.  Stop.
[05:36] <strn00b> make: *** [prepare0] Error 2
[05:37] <Agent_bob> bryan add   -f
[05:37] <Agent_bob> strn00b eeek.  ;/
[05:38] <bryan> Agent_bob: same error with -f
[05:38] <Agent_bob> hmmm
[05:38] <bryan> Agent_bob: today i tried to upgrade to openoffice 3.0 which failed.  now i can't get 2.4 or 3.0 installed
[05:38] <Agent_bob> bryan ok.  that looks like a soruces.list problem.
[05:39] <strn00b> Agent_bob: eeek what?
[05:39] <binMonkey> bryan try installing them all at once or try installing openoffice-core.
[05:39] <bryan> Agent_bob: i currently have the openoffice 3.0 repository disabled
[05:39] <Agent_bob> bryan    sudo apt-get remove --purge openoffice*
[05:40] <Agent_bob> then install the meta package.
[05:40] <bryan> Agent_bob: ok
[05:41] <bryan> Agent_bob: i think it's working :)
[05:41] <zenfractal> should ebox be installed on kubuntu 7?   i suspect it might have gotten installed by accident and broken TCP on my box
[05:41] <strn00b> Agent_bob: eeeek whattt?
[05:41] <bryan> Agent_bob: purging was the trick
[05:41] <Agent_bob> strn00b you are missing some package.  but i don't know what.
[05:41] <Agent_bob> bryan welcome.
[05:42] <bryan> this will get me back to 2.4... maybe i could try 3.0 again after??
[05:42] <strn00b> Agent_bob: the prepare package?
[05:43] <Agent_bob> strn00b i don't know.     that's why i tried the other three times to pass you off to someone that does know.
[05:43] <Agent_bob> sorry.
[05:43] <Agent_bob> bryan sure,   and now you know how to undo it if needed.
[05:45] <strn00b> Agent_bob: its cool man!!  or mool can!
[05:48] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:49] <strn00b> Agent_bob: are you a secret agent>
[05:49] <Agent_bob> it's no secret.
[05:51] <Agent_bob> strn00b page might help you.   idk.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[05:52] <strn00b> Agent_bob: i dont wanna complie my own kernel.. im a noobie with Linux
[05:53] <strn00b> Agent_bob: i took a course in Linux using Solaris OS back in 2005 but all we did was go over commands
[05:53] <bryan> Agent_bob: thanks... i got openoffice 3.0 installed now... take care
[05:53] <strn00b> Agent_bob: well Solaris i think is Unix but the same commands
[05:55] <Agent_bob> but the same basic steps exist.   i.e.     sudo apt-get build-dep linux   <<< you'll probably need that.
[05:56] <Agent_bob> bryan welcome.
[05:56] <strn00b> Agent_bob: I <3 you!
[05:56] <strn00b> but what does build-dep do?
[05:58] <Agent_bob> pulls in dependant packages ?
[05:58] <Agent_bob> things that the kernel build process depend on.
[05:59] <CourtJesterG> i love it i dowwnloaded all the javas ok in root all of them are at i have no usr folder no jvm in sct. i have an added .java in root as with the rest i downloaded this isn't correct is it lol
[05:59] <strn00b> but i'm not building a kernel that is going to depend on anything :D
[06:00] <CourtJesterG> ect not sct
[06:00] <CourtJesterG> that explains why it keeps saying files doesn't exist and anyone know where to find the blackdown at?
[06:01] <Agent_bob> CourtJesterG why as root?    i think that was supposed to work for normal users
[06:01] <CourtJesterG> tahts what bash nano what ever sudo downloaded them in
[06:01] <CourtJesterG> i usd this page
[06:02] <CourtJesterG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JavaInstallation
[06:02] <Agent_bob> CourtJesterG and you can   sudo mv /root/.java ~    or what ever the dir name is.  then chown it
[06:02] <strn00b> Agent_bob: I vote you for Kubuntu user of the Year!
[06:02] <Agent_bob> please don't.
[06:03] <CourtJesterG> alright i am now going to bed for real have a good night but do i need all these javas seriously?
[06:03] <Agent_bob> !helpersnack | strn00b
[06:03] <CourtJesterG> i can't just use one?
[06:04] <strn00b> !help
[06:04] <CourtJesterG> seriously can't i just use one java and not all and how do i enable java in konquoer anyone got the link before i go to sleep
[06:05] <CourtJesterG> nm anotehr day another dollar am out tiresd
[06:09] <Agent_bob> strn00b try    sudo apt-get build-dep linux-headers      and see what it does for you.
[06:10] <Lynx_> hey! I need some help with my new Kubuntu install. I installed the ATI drivers with the program provided from ATI, and now I get a blank screen on starting, no X.
[06:10] <strn00b> Agent_bob: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/blognux.free.fr_ubuntu_dists_intrepid_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[06:11] <Agent_bob> wow.   that might be worth googling
[06:11] <Agent_bob> !ati | Lynx_ see if this helps
[06:12] <strn00b> !webcam
[06:14] <Agent_bob> strn00b sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get build-dep linux-headers
[06:15] <strn00b> Err http://blognux.free.fr intrepid/main Packages
[06:15] <strn00b>   404 Not Found
[06:15] <strn00b> Err http://blognux.free.fr intrepid/main Sources
[06:15] <strn00b>   404 Not Found
[06:15] <strn00b> Fetched 1B in 9s (0B/s)
[06:15] <strn00b> W: Failed to fetch http://blognux.free.fr/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[06:15] <strn00b> W: Failed to fetch http://blognux.free.fr/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[06:15] <strn00b> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[06:16] <Agent_bob> ok that's either a server down or a bad line in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[06:16] <strn00b> probably a bad line
[06:16] <strn00b> i got that line from a forums
[06:16] <Agent_bob> pastebin the file and we'll see.
[06:16] <strn00b> and it had hardy main
[06:16] <Agent_bob> !pastebin
[06:16] <strn00b> it had hardy main and i changed it to intrepid as you said
[06:16] <alpha> her
[06:17] <strn00b> intrepid main
[06:17] <alpha> haha
[06:17] <strn00b> since i dont have the hardy release
[06:17] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: I saw that page already, does not really help. Right now I would just like to know where to change the setting which driver is used, should that not be in xorg.conf?
[06:17] <Agent_bob> strn00b k.   lets see it,    http://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:18] <strn00b> Agent_bob:  ok let me open my sources.list
[06:18] <Agent_bob> Lynx_ /etc/X11/xorg.conf    but they are moving more and more toward a blank config file.  you can still add the specifics that you want tho.
[06:18] <Agent_bob> strn00b less /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:19] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: yes, i saw that there is nothing really in that file, so i don't know what to do to get x to load again right now
[06:19] <strn00b> Agent_bob: deb http://blognux.free.fr/ubuntu intrepid main
[06:19] <strn00b> deb-src http://blognux.free.fr/ubuntu intrepid main
[06:20] <strn00b> Agent_bob: you wanted me to post the WHOLE list?
[06:20] <strn00b> or just the error Lines?
[06:21] <Agent_bob> Lynx_ ummm  Section "Device" \n         Identifier      "your card name" \n         Driver          "vesa" \n EndSection
[06:21] <Agent_bob> strn00b no that should do,  give me a sec.
[06:24] <Agent_bob> strn00b replace with something like this:
[06:24] <Agent_bob> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main universe multiverse restricted
[06:24] <Agent_bob> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main universe multiverse restricted
[06:24] <Agent_bob> strn00b then run:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get build-dep linux-headers
[06:24] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: Ok, so i have to basically type my own xorg.conf? Where did the info that is usually in there go?
[06:25] <strn00b> Agent_bob: I have those in my sources.list already
[06:26] <strn00b> you mean... just the params?
[06:26] <Agent_bob> Lynx_ by editing and/or adding that one section you will instruct xorg to use the vesa driver, which should get you into a working gui  from which you can work on the problem at hand.
[06:26] <strn00b> intrepid main universe mulitverse restricted?
[06:27] <Agent_bob> strn00b i mean those two lines.  in place of the two you displayed.
[06:27] <strn00b> ok well i already have those 2 lines in my sources.list =/
[06:27] <Agent_bob> same lines ?
[06:27] <strn00b> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
[06:27] <strn00b> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
[06:27] <strn00b> those lines!
[06:27] <Agent_bob> strn00b nope.
[06:28] <Agent_bob> not the same.
[06:28]  * vasman118 is away: Gone away for now.
[06:28] <strn00b> ok
[06:28] <strn00b> i will replease
[06:28]  * vasman118 is back.
[06:28] <strn00b> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
[06:28] <strn00b> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main
[06:28] <strn00b> ackkkk!
[06:29] <strn00b> Agent_bob: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <strn00b> ]
[06:29] <strn00b> gives me an error
[06:29] <Agent_bob> what error ?
[06:29] <strn00b> No protocol specified
[06:29] <strn00b> (gedit:19256): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1000.0
[06:29] <strn00b> root@home-linux:/home/stephen/qc-usb-0.6.6# gsudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <strn00b> -bash: gsudo: command not found
[06:29] <strn00b> root@home-linux:/home/stephen/qc-usb-0.6.6# less /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <strn00b> root@home-linux:/home/stephen/qc-usb-0.6.6# sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[06:29] <strn00b> No protocol specified
[06:29] <strn00b> (gedit:19379): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1000.0
[06:29] <Agent_bob> oh.  gedit not found.
[06:29] <strn00b> thats how ive been opening it before tho
[06:29] <strn00b> =/
[06:30] <cameri> oh man, dont past stuff that long :P
[06:30] <strn00b> but im the root now
[06:30] <cameri> use www.pastebin.com or something
[06:30] <cameri> paste*
[06:30] <strn00b> get xCHAT!
[06:30] <cameri> it;s a suggestion
[06:30] <Agent_bob> strn00b ?     well try   sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:30] <strn00b> that long post is nice looking on xchat
[06:31] <cameri> ok
[06:31] <cameri> exit
[06:31] <cameri> rofl.
[06:32] <strn00b> Where is my
[06:32] <strn00b> GEDIT?
[06:32] <strn00b> gedit?
[06:32] <strn00b> =[
[06:32] <strn00b> ok it openedf
 -bash: gsudo: command not found
[06:32] <strn00b> i closed terminal
[06:33] <strn00b> and reopened it
[06:33] <Agent_bob> error messages are so revieling.
 -bash: gsudo: command not found   <<<<  spell it correctly or use the tab key.
[06:33] <Agent_bob> like duh !
[06:34] <Agent_bob> !tab > strn00b
[06:34] <cameri> :D
[06:34] <cameri> im using xchat now
[06:34] <strn00b> Agent_bob: yes i know about tab, thanks
[06:35] <strn00b> Agent_bob: i just figured out myself about tab like 30 mins ago :D
[06:35] <Agent_bob> strn00b then don't be asking "where's my .*"  when the error says you didn't spell it correctly...
[06:35] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:36] <Agent_bob> and don't worry.    we all get "flustered" and typo simple commands some times.
[06:37] <Agent_bob> just learn to always "carefully read the error message"  makes using linux so much easier/more fun.
[06:37] <strn00b> Agent_bob: running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get build-dep linux-headers
[06:37] <strn00b> Agent_bob: E: Unable to find a source package for linux-headers
[06:37] <Agent_bob> ok.   that's not a problem.
[06:38] <strn00b> Agent_bob: even with the apt-get sources edit and update
[06:38] <Agent_bob> strn00b yes.  that message was from the second command, which means the first finished successfully
[06:39] <cameri> how do i see my linuxversion?
[06:39] <strn00b> uname -r
[06:39] <Agent_bob> that's what  &&   does.     run second command if first succeeds.     as opposed to  || which runs second if first fails.
[06:39] <cameri> ty
[06:39] <strn00b> hah I remember!
[06:40] <strn00b> yes && is a AND
[06:40] <Agent_bob> cameri that's the "linux" version.  the ubuntu version would be found with    lsb_release -r
[06:40] <strn00b> and || is an OR
[06:40] <strn00b> in Unix Terms for commands
[06:40] <cameri> thanks, but the linux version was exactly what i wanted :D
[06:40] <Agent_bob> strn00b correct.
[06:41] <Agent_bob> strn00b anyway.  at least your package manager is all streight now.
[06:41] <strn00b> Agent_bob: I have an Associates Degree is Information Technology - Computer Programming
[06:41] <Agent_bob> but that didn't finish your driver build...    sorry for that.
[06:41] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: I guess there is no easy way of just getting the driver config back to where it was after installing? the vesa driver works, but i don't really know how to get back to whatever was there before when it (somewhat) worked
[06:42] <fehrp> Who is responsible for the flashplugin in konqueror? none works here. I get a black rectangle where the flash animation should be. kde 4.1
[06:42] <Agent_bob> strn00b nice.    i haven't had any training at all.    i'm a self made moron.
[06:42] <fehrp> sorry, WHITE rectangle
[06:42] <strn00b> Lynx_: I doubt there is a Restore feature.
[06:42] <Lynx_> strn00b: yes, i guess not
[06:43] <Lynx_> it just confuses me that the xorg.conf does not seem to be used anymore
[06:43] <Agent_bob> Lynx_ yeah.  maybe.       sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:43] <strn00b> Agent_bob: Most of what I know is self taught! I would like to learn PHP. And Maybe some Linux DEV!
[06:43] <Agent_bob> Lynx_ but i guarentee nothing with that.
[06:44] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: all messed up now anyway...
[06:44] <Agent_bob> strn00b learn "awk" "perl" and "python"
[06:44] <Agent_bob> ruby maybe.
[06:45] <Agent_bob> then php will be second nature anyway
[06:46] <sigma> how do you change the font size of the applets in amarok2?
[06:46] <strn00b> Agent_bob: Well I know programming Fundamentals... so all i need to learn is syntax
[06:46] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: now i'm back to "Saw signal 11. Server aborting". sigh. Every 2 years i try linux, and always something gets me to go back to windows :(
[06:47] <strn00b> Lynx.. do you play UO?
[06:47] <Agent_bob> Lynx_ run that again with   -plow   added    select vesa driver
[06:47] <sigma> dam that cd-drive bug is annoying! lucky a updated udev fixes it
[06:47] <Lynx_> strn00b: no
[06:48] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: that never asks for anything video related, just keyboard stuff
[06:48] <Agent_bob> with -plow ?
[06:49] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: sorry,  misunderstood
[06:49] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: hmm, no, only keyboard
[06:50] <Agent_bob> ok.   like i said  "but i guarentee nothing"    i don't have intrepid and i know that they have been screwing up the xserver
[06:51] <Lynx_> Agent_bob: heh, ok. Thank you anyway!
[06:51] <strn00b> Agent_bob: what is xserver?
[06:51] <Agent_bob> so,   you are at a point of either manual config or ask someone else
[06:51] <Agent_bob> strn00b xorg    the x window system
[06:51] <Agent_bob> !Xorg
[06:52] <strn00b> I thought mine was GNOME!
[06:52] <strn00b> Agent_bob:  I thought mine was GNOME!
[06:52] <Agent_bob> gnome is the desktop environment that is running inside of xorg
[06:53] <strn00b> Agent_bob: so gnome is just the common way to do things
[06:53] <strn00b> what do they call that
[06:53] <strn00b> common protocal
[06:54] <strn00b> Agent_bob: like right mouse click brings up a menu in a text box
[06:54] <strn00b> Agent_bob: windows and ubuntu are both GNOME?
[06:55] <Agent_bob> btw incase you don't already know it.   xorg is running in a console   "tty7" by default   so you have the kernel controlling multiple consoles  which house applications such as bash shells or the x server, which in turn provides the fundamental graphics for the desktop environments like gnome blackbox xfce4 or kde, which facilitate a GUI
[06:57] <strn00b> i dont understand lol
[06:57] <strn00b> i know there are different shells
[06:58] <strn00b> or whatever
[06:58] <strn00b> like bash ..
[06:58] <strn00b> what are some others
[06:58] <strn00b> $
[06:58] <strn00b> $ is bash
[06:58] <strn00b> what is #?
[06:58] <strn00b> bin
[06:58] <strn00b> no
[06:59] <strn00b> hash
[06:59] <strn00b> bash
[06:59] <strn00b> i dunno lol
[06:59] <Agent_bob> strn00b read all of this before experamenting.    press   alt+ctrl+f1  that will take you from tty7 to tty1  where you can login    there type  Xorg    which will start another xserver in tty1 but without running any desktop environment.      you can use  ctrl+alt+backspace to kill that xserver and/or   ctrl+alt+f7 to switch back to tty7
[07:00] <strn00b> im connected to my box using freeNX
[07:00] <Agent_bob> and no when you see.    $  or  #   it's just part of the prompt.  both are probably in bash shells   just one designates the superuser "root" by default.    echo "$PS1"  # show your prompt
[07:01] <Agent_bob> oh yeah.   anyway.  you can take note of that and look later.
[07:01] <strn00b> well in Unix class i learned about different shells
[07:01] <strn00b> one being Bash
[07:01] <strn00b> and you can load the different shells
[07:02] <strn00b> or kill them
[07:02] <Agent_bob> the shell (bash)   expands the variable PS1  as the prompt
[07:02] <strn00b> the processes
[07:02] <stdin> some shells are blueterm, cui, hotwire, bash, dash, zsh, fish and ksh
[07:02] <stdin> according to BestBot
[07:02] <strn00b> ksh!
[07:02] <Agent_bob> tcsh
[07:02] <strn00b> tcsh!
[07:02] <strn00b> those are some i remember'
[07:02] <strn00b> from Unix class
[07:03] <Agent_bob> stdin blueterm is a shell ?
[07:03] <strn00b> ubuntu only uses Bash?
[07:03] <stdin> Agent_bob: according to BestBot, but i've never heard of it
[07:03] <Agent_bob> strn00b others are avalable.  but yes by default   only bash     errr maybe dash as it's posix "sh"
[07:04] <Agent_bob> !find blueterm
[07:04] <stdin> !info blueterm hardy
[07:04]  * stdin does not know
[07:05]  * strn00b hates ubuntu
[07:05] <strn00b> i cant get my stupid webcam working]
[07:06] <strn00b> the dmsg command sees the camera
[07:06] <Agent_bob> stdin have time to see about helping him build that driver ?     i don't have intrepid and can only stab in the darkness there.
[07:06] <strn00b> but easycam2 isnt seeing it
[07:06] <strn00b> =[
[07:06] <strn00b> Its a Logitech Quickcam Express
[07:07] <stdin> what's the issue?
[07:07] <Agent_bob> strn00b show him the error from the make
[07:07] <strn00b> well i tried 2 drivers.
[07:07] <strn00b> one was the qc-usb-0.6.6
[07:08] <strn00b> i got my error on the message boards
[07:08] <strn00b> let me get link
[07:09] <Agent_bob> stdin the blueterm project page says  "BTerm is an experimental terminal emulator"   <<<  != shell
[07:09] <strn00b> stdin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53755&highlight=qc-usb
[07:09] <strn00b> agent_bob: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53755&highlight=qc-usb
[07:10] <strn00b> there is the link to the error message.. im the last poster.. the second 2 last poster has the same error!!!!
[07:11] <strn00b> i followed that guys instructions to a T.. and still had errors out of the wazzoo
[07:11] <stdin> strn00b: have you done: "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential" ?
[07:12] <strn00b> stdin: linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic is already the newest version.
[07:12] <strn00b> build-essential is already the newest version.
[07:13] <stdin> strn00b: how about "sudo apt-get install linux-libc-dev" ?
[07:13] <ActionParsnip> you can tab complete package names with apt-get ;)
[07:14] <strn00b> stdin: linux-libc-dev is already the newest version.
 you can tab complete package names with apt-get <<< only if bash completion is enabled.
[07:15] <strn00b> all: bash completion is a nice feature!
[07:15] <Agent_bob> all ?
[07:15] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:16] <stdin> strn00b: I guess "apt-get install gcc", but build-essential should install that
[07:16] <strn00b> stdin:  gcc is already the newest version.
[07:16] <strn00b> =[
[07:17] <strn00b> im stuck in a pickle eh!
[07:17] <strn00b> that's why no one has answered me and that guys error lol
[07:17] <stdin> strn00b: what does "which gcc" show ?
[07:18] <strn00b> stdin: /usr/bin/gcc
[07:18] <stdin> strn00b: if you do "sudo -s -H" and do that command again, is it the same result?
[07:19] <strn00b> stdin: yes
[07:19] <strn00b> how is it letting me become the root? i thought my root password was locked ;\
[07:20] <stdin> !sudo
[07:20] <strn00b> root@home-linux:
[07:21] <Agent_bob> strn00b a locked account does not mean that the account can't be used.  it only means that you can't "login" to that account.
[07:21] <stdin> strn00b: has Agent_bob told you do change the 1st line of quickcam.sh from "#!/bin/sh" to "#!/bin/bash" yet?
[07:21] <Agent_bob> no.
[07:21] <strn00b> WOWWWWOWW is that error?
[07:21] <strn00b> lol
[07:22] <strn00b> omg i hope this is the fix :D
[07:22] <stdin> Agent_bob: I thought you'd see .sh and think "damn you dash!" :p
[07:22] <stdin> strn00b: it may or may not
[07:22] <Agent_bob> stdin but we have been working on the other driver in particular  and no script there....   ;/
[07:23] <strn00b> yes script there!
[07:23] <strn00b> i just didnt tell you :D
[07:23] <Agent_bob> well  see.
[07:23] <Agent_bob> that does it.  i'm finished.
[07:24] <strn00b> no no script
[07:24] <strn00b> sorry
[07:24] <strn00b> just MAKE
[07:24] <Agent_bob> no no.  too late to take it back now.
[07:24] <Agent_bob> you are in the dog house buster!
[07:25] <strn00b> :D
[07:25] <strn00b> stdin: ok i changed the name space
[07:25] <strn00b> stdin: now run script?
[07:25] <stdin> try it
[07:25] <Agent_bob> yes
[07:26] <strn00b> hold ur fingers!
[07:27] <strn00b> [!] Kernel source version mismatch.
[07:27] <strn00b> is 1 error
[07:27] <strn00b> will continue
[07:27] <strn00b> will ignore
[07:27] <Agent_bob> i'm so glad to be back in the states,  but the hours suck, i should have been in bed two hours ago ;/
[07:27] <strn00b> stdin: ls: cannot access quickcam.ko: No such file or directory
[07:27] <strn00b> [!] Looks like the driver compilation failed.
[07:28] <strn00b> stdin: [!] The QuickCam driver failed to load!
[07:28] <strn00b> The driver detected the following supported cameras:
[07:28] <strn00b> [!] No cameras detected.
[07:29] <strn00b> BUT... the script found a supported camera!.. just the driver doesnt
[07:29] <Agent_bob> shalom !    i'm out of here.
[07:31]  * SkEmO goes to bed, nite!
[07:31] <cosenal> hi
[07:31] <strn00b> Agent_bob: you leaving?
[07:32] <cosenal> I use kubuntu 7.10
[07:32] <strn00b> hi
[07:32] <strn00b> i used Ubuntu 8.10
[07:33] <cosenal> suddenly some weird lines appear on my screen
[07:33] <strn00b> User!
[07:33] <cosenal> for example dashed lines by the mouse pointer
[07:34] <cosenal> does anyone have an idea on how I can correct the error?
[07:35] <strn00b> stdin: Thanks for trying to help! I'm gonna get running!.. I will be around tomorrow night.. Im gonna try a fresh Ubuntu 8.10 Install and see if I cant get the drivers loaded.
[07:51] <sigma> im so proud of the adept developers, finally a app i can use properly without it crashing
[07:52] <sigma> just one thing, if i install a app with gdebi, it doesnt get listed in adept, any idea why?
[07:53] <sigma> also why doesnt gbedi have a icon? however it seems majority of apps do have icons, the documents are the worst off, like the .doc .ppt .xls files
[07:58] <natschil>  hello, I have a very similar problem to the amarok neon not playing sound, except for that it is amarok 2 beta 3 which isnt playing sound after I installed kde-neon
[07:59] <sigma> dont use neon!
[08:00] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:03] <sigma> lol
[08:03] <sigma> any idea where the font config files for amarok kde4 are located?
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> sigma: sudo find / -name font*
[08:05] <stdin> why would that need sudo?
[08:06] <sigma> where can i get a list of the files in the amarok package?
[08:06] <stdin> dpkg -L amarok
[08:07] <sigma> stdin havent seen you for a while:)
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> stdin: supresses those stupid access denied outputs which confuse the output
[08:08] <stdin> I've been doing the code-monkey think
[08:08] <stdin> ActionParsnip: "find ... 2>/dev/null" ;)
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> stdin: theres some option to output those to /dev/null but sudo dos the same and its easier to remember
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> stdin: thats the fella
[08:08] <stdin> I know the shell features well :)
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> stdin: sudo is easier to remember for me and does the same trick
[08:09] <stdin> there's probably (or should be) some option in find to make it shut up
[08:10] <stdin> I just don't like giving a process privileges it doesn't need, especially when that process has the ability to execute other commands
[08:10] <stdin> but maybe I'm paranoid
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> stdin: oh absolutely, but its find so its not changing stuff
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> stdin: find <stuff> --quiet | -q
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> would be nice
[08:11] <stdin> find has -exec btw, so it can run a command if you want it to
[08:11] <noaXess> my openoffice has a big programm font size.. i'm in 8.10.. is that, cause OOo based not on QT4?
[08:12] <stdin> it also has -delete, just in case you like to live on the edge
[08:16] <Lindows> anyone else have a problem where xorg eats 100% of your cpu, when switching windows, opening...anything?
[08:16] <psurgeon> Does anyone know how to get the fisk KIO-slave working in Quanta in 8.10?
[08:16] <Lindows> essentially, doing anything, xorg eats your CPU for 30 seconds?
[08:17] <psurgeon> Sorry. I meant "fish" protocol.
[08:18] <tapas> hi
[08:18] <tapas> qhat
[08:19] <tapas> what's kcontrol called in kde4?
[08:20] <noaXess> tapas: systemsettings.. think kcontrol isn't implemented
[08:20] <tapas> well, i need to change kde's font et. al. from within fvwm
[08:20] <tapas> so i'm screwed?
[08:21] <tapas> oh i can actually run that :)
[08:21] <noaXess> tapas: try systemsettings.. there you can also change the fonts..
[08:21] <tapas> great..
[08:21]  * ActionParsnip makes mental note (and symlink)
[08:21] <noaXess> it's also in kmenu / apps / system / systemsettings
[08:21] <noaXess> hey, good morning ActionParsnip
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:23] <Lindows> anyone else having problems with xorg eating their CPU?
[08:23] <noaXess> my openoffice has a big programm font size.. i'm in 8.10.. is that, cause OOo based not on QT4?
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: no but ive seen millions of guides online for that sort of thing
[08:25] <Lindows> well, I've done just about everything but a fresh install, upgraded to 8.10, rebuilt kernel modules, messed with xorg.conf
[08:26] <Lindows> everything I've read says its 1) drivers or 2) gnome-settings-manager 3) bad hardware
[08:26] <Lindows> i've switch to kubuntu, killed gnome, still the same problem, updated drivers, reinstalled drivers, same problem
[08:26] <Lindows> its fine once the program is open, its opening it goes crazy or switching desktops
[08:27] <Lindows> log is full of: EQ overflowing.  The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop.
[08:27] <Lindows> out-of-order valuator event
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: you running compiz/
[08:27] <Lindows> yes
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: same if you turn it off?
[08:28] <Lindows> haven't tried that, is there an easy way to kill it without uninstalling it?
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> kwin --replace &
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> or in gnome, metacity --replace &
[08:30]  * ActionParsnip hates compiz, it is the root of all evil
[08:30] <Lindows> hold on, just crashed kwin --replace...I have emerald --replace in command for compiz
[08:30] <Lindows> going to remove that first
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: ok, you could do that then restart x server
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: so it doesnt get executed
[08:31] <Lindows> brb then
[08:33] <Lindows> okay, testing...lets see if it locks up
[08:34] <Lindows> metacity --replace fixed it, xorg stopped eating my cpu
[08:34] <Wicked> whats the best way to install compiz-fusion in kubuntu?
[08:34] <Lindows> so was it compiz or emerald?
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: yep, compiz suckiness is to blame, as always
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> or emerald
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> or both
[08:34] <Lindows> lol, okay, let me turn on compiz and see what happens
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> you need to explore it
[08:34] <Lindows> thank you VERY much
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> np man
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> remember: Compiz sucks
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> chant it daily
[08:37] <amerigo> Holee
[08:37] <amerigo> HI buddy
[08:37] <amerigo> s
[08:37] <amerigo> byddies
[08:37] <amerigo> mah
[08:37] <amerigo> ...
[08:38] <amerigo> I'm looking for a program to do flash animation for kubuntu
[08:38] <amerigo> anybody knows
[08:38] <amerigo> ?
[08:39] <ActionParsnip> amerigo: ease up on the enter key dude
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> you can type more than 3 words on a line
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> amerigo: can you clarify "do flash animations" please
[08:47] <amerigo> hi Action...
[08:48] <stdin> !info ktoon
[08:48] <amerigo> ActionParsnip: Adobe Flash, huge graphic plugin used in Web Page
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> amerigo: ok, to view or create?
[08:48] <amerigo> to Create, so not also plugin
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> amerigo: adobe makes flash so you have provided no additional info
[08:49] <amerigo> but there's a version for kubuntu
[08:49] <amerigo> ?
[08:49] <amerigo> something to do swf
[08:50] <amerigo> .swf (may be extention)
[08:50] <amerigo> i'm not sure
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> amerigo: as its proprietary garbage, its hard to make accurate software, you can use ktoon like stdin suggests or shell out for Adobes flash suite and run it via wine (or crossover office if you have the cash)
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> amerigo: theres an app that can make a swf out of an animated gif too
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> i forget its name
[08:54] <stdin> !info swftools
[08:54] <stdin> includes gif2swf
[08:54] <amerigo> azz...
[08:55] <amerigo> thank you Action
[08:55] <amerigo> thank you stdin
[08:56] <amerigo> i'm going to look for these
[09:04] <marina> How can I install Eclipse 3.4 in Kubuntu 7.10 ?
[09:04] <marina> and how can I update to the Sun JDK 1.6.0.10
[09:04] <marina> (currently I have 1.6.0.3 installed)
[09:11] <Lynx_> Ok, i reinstalled an am back to the original problem: I have my monitor (1200x1600) connected via DVI. However, in the Display setup dialog of KDE VGA and DVI are shown as connected, and the "identify" function shows DVI as well as VGA on my single screen.
[09:11] <marina_ubuntu> How can I update to the Sun JDK 1.6.0.10?
[09:11] <Lynx_> when i try to disable VGA, everything feezes and i have to do a reset
[09:18] <marina_> Is 1.6.0.10 packaged yet for Ubunut?
[09:23] <marina_> Is it possible to use the 8.10 packages on a 7.10 install?
[09:25] <dwidmann> marina: probably not
[09:26] <dwidmann> marina_: you're welcome to try though
[09:27] <HollowPoint> hey folks, not like me to ask for help here rather than giving it but I'm stuck and no one's talking in debian chat, I'm getting a segmentation fault in OOo3 and I'm stuck on how to fix it :(
[09:27] <marina_> dwidmann: but can I update to 8.10?
[09:28] <marina_> automatically?
[09:28] <dwidmann> marina_: well, you should upgrade through 8.04 then to 8.10, or do a clean install of 8.10
[09:29] <HollowPoint> marina I'd recommend a clean install to be honest, at the very least backup your stuff and prepare to do a clean install if your upgrade doesn't go well
[09:29] <dwidmann> clean install is probably faster anyway
[09:29] <HollowPoint> and yes go through 8.04 first if you're on 7.10 at the moment
[09:29] <dwidmann> So long as /home is on a separate partition
[09:30] <HollowPoint> if /home isn't on a seperate partition, back everything in home up to an external/different drive, then perform the clean install and select the option to have a seperate home partition so you don't have the same problem in the future, then move all stuff back to home once install is done
[09:31] <HollowPoint> I should have said COPY everything from home, not MOVE, if you MOVE you could encounter other problems using your machine before you've finished backing up
[09:32] <HollowPoint> Anyway anyone fancy helping me with a segmentation fault on OOo3 please? I really really really don't wanna use 2.4 :'(
[09:33] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: what's wrong with 2.4?
[09:33] <HollowPoint> it's not as good as 3.0 lol
[09:33] <marina_> HollowPoint: ok
[09:33] <HollowPoint> other than that nothing
[09:35] <scopecreep> i found http://downloads.archlinux.de/iso/archboot/2008.10/
[09:35] <HollowPoint> I'm getting a really weird segmentation fault while running OOo3, it starts to open the program, then asks me to fill in my details (EVERY time) then crashes and I just get to see the segmentation fault if I run it from the CLi, I've looked everywhere on google and can't find jack
[09:35] <HollowPoint> scopecreep arch is a pretty cool distro but I'm unsure why you've posted that link/
[09:36] <scopecreep> im sorry i got my channels mixed up
[09:36] <HollowPoint> lol ok
[09:36] <scopecreep> the coffee is brewing, my brain will be up shortly ;]
[09:37] <HollowPoint> it's Friday night here and I've been working all day, plus I'm on my, erm actually I've lost count, Carlsberg and I've got a segmentation fault, mine has gone to sleep
[09:38] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: rebuild with debugging enabled and file a bug?
[09:39] <HollowPoint> yeah I thought about doing that, but I have a feeling it's more to do with my system than an actual bug, I'm close to compiling from source here, which isn't a good idea in my current state (Not drunk but merry you understand)
[09:41] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: that's why I do all of my builds in my home dir ... won't screw anything up that way :)
[09:42] <HollowPoint> I'm an idiot
[09:43] <HollowPoint> I'm a real, serious, absolute idiot, but I'm gunna blame Carlsberg
[09:43] <HollowPoint> I don't have JRE installed, of course OOo3 won't run! DUH!
[09:43] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: why not? oo2.x ran without it ...
[09:44] <HollowPoint> well looks like I'm wrong anyway, on checking my system, I have installed JRE
[09:44] <HollowPoint> GRAH lol
[09:47] <amerigo> ! swftool
[09:47] <amerigo> !info swftool
[09:47] <HollowPoint> on further investigation it is a java problem but not the one I thought :( still lost atm
[09:51] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: may the google be with you ... always
[09:54] <HollowPoint> yeah thanks lol, it seems it's a problem with a Java library that won't open if I'm not root
[09:55] <HollowPoint> might try logging in to my GUI as root and see if it'll open the bugger then
[10:02] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: if it won't open if you're not root, then there's probably a permissions problem, find it and chmod it.
[10:03] <HollowPoint> tried that
[10:03] <HollowPoint> didn't work lol
[10:03] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: then perhaps you "found" the wrong file
[10:03] <tuanpham> hi
[10:03] <tuanpham> have a good day
[10:04] <tuanpham> anyone is trying the Kubuntu 8.10 ?
[10:04] <dwidmann> tuanpham: quite a many of us, I'm sure :)
[10:04] <HollowPoint> nah found the right file, it's linked to from a symbolic link, unfortunately I can't change the permissions on that, what I can and did do however was add my user to the "root" group just to make sure (Permissions on the file are 777 anyway) but still doesn't work
[10:04] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: don't chmod the symlink, that's a waste of time, chmod the file that it links to ..
[10:05] <HollowPoint> yeah have done
[10:05] <tuanpham> :) hi dwidmann
[10:05] <tuanpham> remember me ?
[10:05] <HollowPoint> I've chmod'd and chown'd it in many different ways, added myself to the "root" group just in case that was the issue but nah, nothing works
[10:06] <dwidmann> hi tuanpham ... I'm sure if I tried  hard enough I probably could, but can't offhand, sorry
[10:06] <tuanpham> dwidmann: i am was the guy had problem with kompete kubuntu 8.0 Beta :)
[10:07] <tuanpham> ok anyways
[10:07] <dwidmann> hmmmm
[10:07] <tuanpham> no prolem then
[10:07] <tuanpham> now we have a new version to try
[10:07] <tuanpham> it is so nice
[10:08] <dwidmann> Yup
[10:08] <dwidmann> I've actually found myself having to compile a lot from source though in 8.10
[10:10] <HollowPoint> I just avoided it altogether tbh, I ended up on Lenny :D Much better OS but am having a few issues as it isn't solid yet it's still testing
[10:11] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: I switched to kubuntu a couple years ago ... mostly because the repositories are slightly more comprehensive
[10:11] <dwidmann> At least that was the case then
[10:12] <bb__> Hi - after enabling the desktop-effects kde4 does not start anymore - is there any way to disable the effects on konsole-log-in? Thx for Help!
[10:13] <HollowPoint> yeah well I was really happy with my 8.04 install, then things started to stop working, like the disk and media viewer in the control center, then I took a look at 8.10 and decided I hated it so just didn't bother
[10:23] <dwidmann> bb__: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098276.0
[10:26] <lebies> hi all, my k-menu icon has gone bye-bye on a new install of intrepid! any pointers on where to look to get a fix pls?
[10:26] <lebies> worked fine for a while after initial install then disappeared
[10:29] <manish> there are two things i want to ask 1. does korganizer support 2 way sync with google calendar. I yes how? and i am not able to create an event in korganizer
[10:30] <manish> ginee: there are two things i want to ask 1. does korganizer support 2 way sync with google calendar. I yes how? and i am not able to create an event in korganizer
[10:30] <manish> can you help me
[10:37] <JackWinter> i've managed to stuff up my kde 3.5.10 again.  kded is racing consuming 100% of one core, and there are various other problems, sometimes kwallet doesn't start so all my konqueror windows are blocked.  anything i can do or some tips on troubleshooting ?
[10:40] <phophos> Hey, changed my browser from Firefox 3 to Swiftweasel 3 but now Kontact won't open my HTTP links from emails, even after changing the default browser in System Settings - any idea how I could get this working?
[10:41] <bdgraue> hi
[10:42] <lokai> whats a good command-line only torrent client?
[10:42] <bdgraue> if i make me an usb stick (usb-creator) with kubuntu iso and make there an update, if i istall from that usb-stick an system somewhere, will that installation be up-to-date and use the sources.list in the stick?
[10:45]  * HollowPoint has decided he hates OOo3 even though he loves it but now just cba to fix it :(
[10:45] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: that's why I haven't tried it
[10:46] <dwidmann> !torrent | lokai
[10:46] <HollowPoint> but I WANT IT! lol it's so unfair
[10:47] <Lindows> gnome is to metacity as kde is to ???
[10:47] <HollowPoint> gtk?
[10:48] <Lindows> i dont remember the windows manager kde uses
[10:48] <HollowPoint> kwin
[10:48] <lokai> !P2P | lokai
[10:48] <Lindows> am trying to stop using gnome entirely
[10:48] <HollowPoint> good call
[10:49] <Lindows> might as well ask here since I'm already here, after installing kde-desktop in ubuntu 8.1, how do I make it default?
[10:49] <Lindows> for everything?
[10:50] <phophos> It would be fantastic if Konqueror wasn't such an inferior web browser ...
[10:50] <HollowPoint> install kdm4 instead of gdm, then on first login select kde
[10:50] <HollowPoint> that'll pretty much make your default login session kde4
[10:51] <Lindows> then I can just uninstall gnome?
[10:51] <dwidmann> Lindows: if you want to
[10:51] <HollowPoint> well apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop probably but yeah
[10:51] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: no, that's just a meta-package, that won't do anything
[10:51] <HollowPoint> ah right ok
[10:52] <Lindows> and one last question, what is kdmtheme? something like compiz or emerald?
[10:52] <HollowPoint> kdmtheme allows you to install themes in kdm, change it's look etc
[10:52] <delicowa> i need to know how qt3-designer works is it just like visual basic?
[10:53] <HollowPoint> NOTHING is just like Visual Studio if that's what you mean
[10:54] <HollowPoint> Visual Studio is a world of it's own, nothing comes close, however with the other IDE's you can get in Linux for QT, Python, PHP etc you're not running the risk of patent abuse by using pre-defined functions if you GPL your programs
[10:54] <bdgraue> Lindows: no need for something like emerald or compiz on kde4, kwin can do most of the fun stuff ;)
[10:55] <dwidmann> Lindows: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekdej
[10:55] <delicowa> please i wanna change my default display manager how can i do that......currently it is at KDM but i seem to prefer the simpler gdm interface how do i...change it
[10:56] <dwidmann> delicowa: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[10:57] <adcts> good morning
[10:58] <dwidmann> mornin'
[10:58] <Lindows> okay, one more question, in xorg.conf, the "composite" extension, is that only for compiz?
[10:58] <delicowa> thanks dwidmann it worked
[10:58] <dwidmann> Lindows: no, that's for composite in general
[10:58] <adcts> i have a problem regarding booting the livecd
[10:59] <adcts> squashfs error
[10:59] <delicowa> also i need the proper xorg.conf configuration for intel 945GME any help?
[10:59] <dwidmann> delicowa: current config doesn't work?
[10:59] <delicowa> search the internet but found nada that worked for me.....still searching though
[11:00] <HollowPoint> try adding xrandr to your search
[11:00] <Lindows> okay, so I can safely remove all compiz packages and kde will run just fine?
[11:00] <HollowPoint> Lindows: if you're on KDE4 then yes
[11:00] <delicowa> ﻿dwidmann....can you help me with what you have?
[11:01] <dwidmann> delicowa: I say just leave it mainly with what it would have had to start with, and add "Drive "intel"" to the device section
[11:01] <dwidmann> **Driver
[11:01] <HollowPoint> delicowa: xorg.conf isn't an exact science, what works on one machine won't work on an identical machine for a different user. if you're on Kubuntu 8.10?? Then you shouldn't be editing xorg.conf anyway from what I've been told?
[11:02] <adcts> it's a PIII 700 pcchips mobo
[11:02] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: sure ya should ... but only if you need to.
[11:02] <adcts> tried noapic noacpi and nodma to boot
[11:02] <adcts> the cd is fine, boots on other machines
[11:02] <HollowPoint> adcts: it sounds like you may have a broken CD, did you run an MD5 check on the media?
[11:02] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[11:02] <adcts> the machine boots other distros livecds
[11:03] <HollowPoint> could well be the cdrom on that machine, can you load another livecd on that cdrom without any issues?
[11:03] <adcts> i've tried all that with ubuntu 8.04, kubuntu 8.04 ubuntu 7.10 and xubuntu 8.04
[11:04] <adcts> knoppix, dreamlinux, puppy all boot fine
[11:04] <adcts> morphix as wele
[11:04] <adcts> well
[11:04] <dwidmann> adcts: still sounds like a corrupt cd ... definitely ccheck the md5's
[11:04] <HollowPoint> have you maybe trie the alternate installer CD on this machine? That's what it's there for as not every piece of hardware works with the standard live CD, especially since we're talking latest version of X.Org here and KDE4
[11:06] <adcts> hmnnnnn
[11:06] <adcts> the cds boot fine on other machines, and install fine on them too
[11:06] <adcts> three of them are
[11:06] <adcts> came from the site by mail
[11:07] <dwidmann> hm
[11:07] <dwidmann> yup .. guess you'll have to use the alternate cd
[11:08] <HollowPoint> yeah unfortunately like I said, the alternate CD exists for when the standard one doesn't work with certain hardware
[11:08] <HollowPoint> I
[11:08] <adcts> allright
[11:08] <adcts> see if that works
[11:08] <dwidmann> HollowPoint: and for low memory installs, lvm/raid installs, and expert installs too :)
[11:08] <HollowPoint> meh,  cat is in my way so I hit enter by accident, I've had a Kubuntu 8.04 CD before that worked on almost any machine I put it in, but now and again it'd find a relatively mainstream laptop to not work on
[11:09] <adcts> I'll be back on monday to tell the result
[11:09] <HollowPoint> yeah true dwidmann
[11:09] <adcts> if that's ok
[11:09] <HollowPoint> ok adcts good luck
[11:09] <adcts> thank you
[11:09] <dwidmann> not to mention that the alternate cd doubles as a functional apt archive
[11:10] <HollowPoint> also true
[11:10] <adcts> I'll keep it in mind
[11:10] <adcts> see ya
[11:17] <Lindows> okay, think I have most of it switched now, except, when I log in, it still defaults to metacity
[11:17] <Lindows> and when I run kwin --replace, I get the error that KDEInit couldn't launch knotify4
[11:18] <Lindows> so I guess, 1) how do I force it to always load kwin, and 2) any ideas how to fix that error?
[11:20] <HollowPoint> have you done kwin --replace or kwin --replace &&
[11:21] <Lindows> kwin --replace &
[11:23] <Lindows> basically, is there something more elegant than making a startup script thats is "killall compiz, kwin --replace" ?
[11:24] <dwidmann> Lindows: sure, undoing whatever config you had to make to get it to start compiz instead to begin with
[11:25] <Lindows> now if I could remember what that was....heh
[11:29] <waylandbill> hello. I have a samba share. Not sure how it was configured, probably from a while back. I want to make it read-write rather than read-only. Is there a graphically config for this? I though it would be in system, settings sharing, but I don't see it.
[11:29] <HollowPoint> waylandbill: are you on 8.04 or 8.10
[11:29] <HollowPoint> ?
[11:31] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: 8.10
[11:32] <HollowPoint> sorry mate can't help you on that one then, not sure what the issues are with Samba in 8.10, 8.04 was easy sorry.
[11:32] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: you're running 8.04 or 8.10?
[11:33] <HollowPoint> neither I'm running Debian Lenny but I WAS running 8.04 until yesterday since the day it was released
[11:33] <waylandbill> what made you go to lenny? I used to run Etch.
[11:34] <HollowPoint> I used to run Etch and Gentoo, they were the only OS's I really used for my own desktop, then Ubuntu 7.04 was released and I was impressed, so I switched to Kubuntu, stuck with it until 8.04 then they insisted on using the latest X.Org Server and KDE4.1 in their latest release (8.10) so I switched back to Lenny, which rocks!
[11:34] <waylandbill> some of the things about kde4 are interesting, but there's a bunch of functionality I can to expect from 3.5 that is just not there.
[11:36] <waylandbill> kde 4 will be great one day, but I think it is still a tad to early.
[11:37] <delicowa> does anyone know of any school that offers online ethical hacking courses
[11:37] <HollowPoint> IMHO it is not ready to be the default desktop on ANY release, it should be a choice not default, Mandriva are the only ones IMHO again who have succesffully integrated KDE4.1 into their release, SUSE tried and failed
[11:37] <HollowPoint> ethical hacking? lmao
[11:38] <HollowPoint> Linux is ethical hacking in itself, what context do you mean it in delicowa?
[11:38] <waylandbill> I might have to check out debian again. I wonder if they have a cd image that has kde all ready to rock and roll.
[11:38] <HollowPoint> both Etch and Lenny are KDE 3.5.9 waylandbill
[11:39] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: thanks. I'm headed over there right now to start an image download.
[11:40] <Lindows> okay, how do I get it to load the kde "setup" instead of the gnome panels?
[11:40] <waylandbill> the fact that the upgrade to 8.10 knocked out the pata cd drive on my other system is another reason to look at alternate choices as well.
[11:41] <HollowPoint> tbh I think Ubuntu/Canonical made a few large mistakes with 8.10 and I sincerely am hopeful that they will get it right again with 9.04
[11:41] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: is lenny pretty stable? I know I'm not brave enough for SID. :)
[11:43] <HollowPoint> yeah Lenny is very stable, the only issues I've had so far is FF3 (You need to rename the firefox and firefox-bin files to ff3 and ff3-bin because Debian are having an argument with Mozilla about their trademark and blah blah blah and Open Office 3.0 doesn't seem to want to work on my system but I think it's my system not Debian
[11:44] <HollowPoint> there are only 39 (at my last count a few days ago) bugs left to fix in Lenny before it replaces Etch as the stable version. Debian are renowned for being slow to release but upon release it's the most stable distro you'll find ANYWHERE
[11:44] <HollowPoint> which is why Ubuntu is built on Lenny
[11:44] <HollowPoint> meh on Debian I mean
[11:46] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: I know about them being behind on packages, but most of the time that is a good thing.
[11:47] <HollowPoint> they're not really all that behind on packages tbh, they just don't allow broken or beta packages to enter the normal flow of things, you can install most up to date packages through the /experimental repo
[11:47] <HollowPoint> my problem with Open Office 3 is related to a Java Library and I've had too many Carlsbergs to figure out what's wrong so I'm leaving it till tomorrow
[11:48] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: :)
[11:48] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: nah.. don't need experimental.. testing is good enough.. sid is a bad boy that hates toys..
[11:49] <HollowPoint> yeah except the experimental repo includes things like OOo3
[11:49] <waylandbill> 2.4 is good enough.
[11:49] <HollowPoint> which isn't experimental at all, it's just classified that way by Debian because they haven't had the time to look at it yet
[11:49] <waylandbill> it's not like a word processor changes that much. :)
[11:49] <HollowPoint> lol not for me, I'm ex-Gentoo everything needs to be at the minimum cutting edge, bleeding edge is where I draw the line
[11:50] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: is the CD version good enough to start with. I mean it contains all of kde?
[11:50] <HollowPoint> yeah you get a fully working KDE3.5.9, you'll need to update your kernel, install proprietary drivers (Not as easy as in Ubuntu but easy enough) and then that's about it, everything else is just apt-get install *
[11:50] <waylandbill> HollowPoint: I love gentoo's philosophy but don't have the time for a source distro
[11:51] <waylandbill> this system doesn't use proprietary. My other desktop does. Nvidia is simple enough to deal with though.
[11:51] <dr_willis> Im leery of Disrtos that focus too much on  philosophy   and not on getting the work done. :P
[11:52] <HollowPoint> likewise, I did start running a Gentoo 2009.0 machine earlier this year when it was first released, then I enabled Keywords_Allow ~x86 and screwed it, then couldn't be bothered to fix it or start again lo
[11:52] <waylandbill> dr_willis: I'm with you on that one. I need to actually get work done. :)
[11:52] <HollowPoint> lol even
[11:53] <dr_willis> I gaveup on gentoo ages ago wheni had to 'do dangerous unmasking' to install  some 'documentation' packages.. :)
[11:54] <HollowPoint> lol yeah
[11:55] <HollowPoint> in reality it's no different than enabling testing/experimental/upstream repos in ubuntu or debian, installing what you want and then disabling the repos, it's just harder and more proned to problems
[11:55] <waylandbill> :)
[12:00] <spitters> kmail crashes: ASSERT: "s->parsed == false" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.3/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 524
[12:00] <dr_willis> I think i will stick with Ubuntu for the foreseable future...
[12:01] <spitters> I think it is bug: 171275
[12:01] <spitters> Is there any progress on this. It is very awkward.
[12:02] <spitters> There seems to be a problem with qbus
[12:02] <spitters> qdbus org.kde.kmail
[12:02] <spitters> /
[12:02] <spitters> Cannot introspect object / at org.kde.kmail:
[12:02] <spitters> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply (Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.)
[12:02] <spitters> Is there any way to restart this??
[12:03] <delicowa> Hollowpoint: i mean getting a real certificate ... or does linus trovalds provide something of that nature
[12:03] <delicowa> ﻿Hollowpoint: i mean getting a real certificate ... or does linus trovalds provide something of that nature (ethical hacking i mean)
[12:03] <Manish> there are two things i want to ask 1. does korganizer support 2 way sync with google calendar. I yes how? and i am not able to create an event in korganizer
[12:03] <Manish> can somebody help me with that
[12:05] <reese> hi! i have no sound from the front speakers, only some scratchy noise. the front speakers' slider from alsamixer just doesn't work.. is there a way to map channels in alsa, as in oss? maybe it's just a config problem
[12:06] <HollowPoint> delicowa: if you want a certificate in Linux you go for an LPIC (Linux Professional Institute Certification)
[12:06] <HollowPoint> you can train for it on the IBM website and one of the main companies that does the exams worldwide is called pearson vue
[12:07] <Lindows> finally got most of it
[12:07] <Lindows> kde is so much better than gnome
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: millions would agree, millions would disagree
[12:08] <HollowPoint> agreed Lindows but you're using KDE4.1 so I disagree
[12:08] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip: hey you fancy helping me with a problem instead of me and you helping someone else?
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> kde is great, kwin is nasty
[12:08]  * TheFuzzball hates Lindows
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: sup?
[12:08]  * HollowPoint hates TheFuzzball :D
[12:09] <HollowPoint> only kidding TheFuzzball
[12:09]  * TheFuzzball pokes HollowPoint in the eye
[12:09]  * ActionParsnip understands the advantages and disadvantages of both OSes so doesnt explicitly hate either
[12:09]  * TheFuzzball doesn't like the idea of making Linux operate like Windows
[12:09]  * ActionParsnip hates MacOS lotsly on the other hand
[12:10] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip: I can't get OOo3 working in Debian Lenny, it starts to work, then fails with a Segmentation fault, caused by a Java Library not being able to be opened, excuse my English, although I am English (Born in London) Carlsberg makes me speak Latin
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: Carlsberg is nasty dude ;)
[12:10] <TheFuzzball> ActionParsnip: Why the hate toward OS X?
[12:10] <Lindows> okay, xorg is eating my CPU alive....
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> TheFuzzball: it treats you like an idiot
[12:10] <HollowPoint> .me likes the idea of making Linux operate like Windows in some ways, but it has never been done and "Lindows" was just a marketing ploy it was nothing like Windows
[12:10] <TheFuzzball> ActionParsnip: So does Windows
[12:10] <Lindows> minimize, switching virtual desktops, xorg eats my cpu
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> TheFuzzball: i guss its experience with windows. I used mac and felt like it was trying to make me stop
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: have you installed java?
[12:11]  * HollowPoint agrees with ActionParsnip on OSX treating you like an idiot, it is an idiot itself
[12:11] <TheFuzzball> ActionParsnip: It doesn't treat you like an idiot when you are hacking it to run on a PC
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: if you are running 64bit id suggest iced-tea or similar
[12:12] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip: yes mate, everything else works fine, but OOo3 complains it can't open the library, hold on will pastebin the error from CLi
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> TheFuzzball: i wouldnt subject myself to that. Id install pcbsd and ignore mac
[12:12] <HollowPoint> I'm not mate I'm x86 all the way now I'm back on Debian
[12:12] <dr_willis> Apple: "our os-9 is perfect - we spent big $$ reseraching the GUI and stuf making it perfect" --  'oh wait.. now this radically different OS-X is more-perfecter!'
[12:12] <Lindows> okay, the fact xorg is eating my CPU, is that because of kde 4.1? or did I screw something up?
[12:12] <dr_willis> ")
[12:12] <dr_willis> KDe4.1 does eat a lot of cpu. :(
[12:12] <HollowPoint> Lindows:  both
[12:12] <dr_willis> or so it did on my 2 machines
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: awesmome
[12:13] <Lindows> I mean, should my system lock up minimzing a window?
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: what system spec do you have?
[12:13] <TheFuzzball> ActionParsnip: I can install a BDS-based system any time, It's the interface I want from OSX
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> TheFuzzball: oh man thats the WORST bit to me
[12:13] <Lindows> quad core intel, OC to 3ghz
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> looks like what an OLPC is to the eeepc
[12:13] <Lindows> 8gb ram, 64 bit 8.1 ubuntu
[12:13] <TheFuzzball> ActionParsnip: How could you say that?
[12:13]  * TheFuzzball is going
[12:13] <HollowPoint> TheFuzzball: the interface sucks, I'm lost in it half the time
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> just looks cheap like aero
[12:14] <Lindows> 2x 8800 gt's
[12:14] <Lindows> it shouldn't be my system
[12:14] <Lindows> its either somethings configured wrong...and I dont know what, or...I dont know what
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: you installed nvidia drivers?
[12:14] <Lindows> yeah, used the .run from their website
[12:14] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip: here's the pastebin of the error mate http://paste.ubuntu.com/75187/
[12:14] <Lindows> I guess I could do it again..
[12:15] <HollowPoint> Lindows you're in 8.10 right? Anyone know if the Nvidia drivers are still an issue with the latest X.Org Server?
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: sudo find / -name *.so | grep -i java
[12:15] <dr_willis> Nvidia drivers work for me on all 3 of my nvidia machines here in 8.10
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: i use envyng-qt drivers and its ok here
[12:15] <dr_willis> Nvidia 5500, NVidia 8800gtsxxx, and someother thing on thelaptop
[12:15] <Lindows> yeah, 8.1, driver 177.83
[12:16] <HollowPoint> find: unknown predicate `-name*.so'
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: you may need to symlink the .so someplace
[12:16] <HollowPoint> it already is :(
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: then its probs the wrong place
[12:17] <HollowPoint> lol ok so how do I find out what is should be linked to exactly?
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/Bug-416242-openoffice-org-core-sunjavaplugin-attempts-libgcj-ftopict77618.html
[12:19] <HollowPoint> yeah I found that hours ago, it didn't work :(
[12:20] <HollowPoint> although it appears I have two JRE's installed, hang on
[12:21] <HollowPoint> nope same problem
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/149489
[12:23] <HollowPoint> ffs I give up lol
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=829866
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: the 2nd link is way better :)
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: i think that is in fact EXACTLY your issue
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: am i right or am i correct?
[12:25] <HollowPoint> clickity
[12:26] <Lindows> anyone tried the 180.06 nvidia beta drivers?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> i dont use beta anything
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> only use official releases and you have fewer problems
[12:27] <Lindows> I have problems right now though, lol
[12:28] <dr_willis> Life is Beta
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> life is a box of chocolates
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: any good dude?
[12:35] <HollowPoint> still lookin dude, will let ya know
[12:36] <krio> hi all
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> hi krio
[12:57] <blek> hello my probleme is aagin here , give me french channel for kubuntu please.
[12:58] <bobbob1016> I'm running Ibex, (installed Ubuntu, with gnome, did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop), and now my kde 4.1 desktop widgets are moved to the top left corner at boot, and my bottom panel has no task manager on boot either.  Any ideas?
[12:58] <blek> excuse me ! give me french channel please
[12:59] <bobbob1016> blek, kubuntu-fr maybe, I don't know
[12:59] <bobbob1016> google kubuntu french (or francais) irc
[12:59] <blek> thank's but it's not this  or i 'm very bad
[13:00] <HollowPoint> !fr
[13:00] <blek> thank's for adress
[13:00] <HollowPoint> ca va
[13:02] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip: you still here?
[13:03] <HollowPoint> I can't open that last link you sent me for ubuntu forums at all, just sits there for ages n ages and eventually tells me service temporarily unavailable
[13:03] <SeeWhy> how about your average kubuntu installation boot time
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: werd
[13:04] <dr_willis> servers are lagged/loaded today HollowPoint  it seems
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: yeah its down bro
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: well, yo yoing
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: stick it in your faves, seems perfect to me
[13:05] <danub> i am trying to add multiple desktops to my kde but it wont go past 2 in the pager. when i set the number to 5 in the system settings -> desktop -> multiple desktops, it doesn't add the 3 extra ones. it just stays at 2. how do i fix this?
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> danub: are you running compiz?
[13:05] <danub> yep :(
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> gimme a sec
[13:06] <danub> and can someone tell me why the hell my desktop flips on me sometimes when i move the mouse?!
[13:06] <dr_willis> danub,  thats a compiz feature to change desktops
[13:06] <danub> this was happening before compiz
[13:06] <danub> kwin did it too
[13:07] <danub> i need to stop that from happening because half the time i end up on the wrong desktop when trying to click something
[13:07] <HollowPoint> kwin isn't capable of doing it, it's a compiz feature called desktop-cube
[13:07] <danub> HollowPoint: who said anything about the cube?
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> danub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/75210/
[13:07] <HollowPoint> you said it flipped?
[13:08] <danub> im talking about it swtiching desktops...
[13:08] <HollowPoint> ah
[13:08] <danub> flipped, swapped, switched
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> danub: check the link dude
[13:08] <danub> i am now
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> danub: you need to set horizontal size to 4
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> i have compiz and its a tube for some reason, makes me laugh
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> yeah im a cool kid now
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> weee
[13:09] <HollowPoint> lol
[13:09]  * HollowPoint wants OOo3 to work :'(
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: couldnt you just uninstall all open office stuffs and all javas then reinstall?
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: http://openofficedocs.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/install-openoffice-30-on-ubuntu/
[13:10] <Martiini> anyone of you peepz know how i turn off kde4 logoff sound .. pleazz
[13:11] <danub> ok what ActionParsnip ?
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> Martiini: go to system setting, notifications
[13:11] <danub> im in the settings, under desktops
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> danub: you need to make the horizontal size be 4
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> danub: yours will be currently 2
[13:11] <danub> i dont see an option for changing a size
[13:12] <HollowPoint> yeah tried that ActionParsnip unfortunately nothing seems to work. OOo3 did work fine in Kubuntu 8.04 just won't work in Debian Lenny :( I'm depressed now
[13:12] <Martiini> ActionParsnip:  .. excellenttee .. danke
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> danub: http://fitnessbadger.com/HowTo/GutsyEmbelish1/Images/step10_genoptDesktopSize.png
[13:12] <danub> ok, here is exactly where i am at right now. system settings -> desktops -> Desktop Effects
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: id upgrade from lenny dude
[13:13] <HollowPoint> lol I just upgraded TOO Lenny man!
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> !lenny
[13:13] <danub> i click on the advanced options, and there is no option to change size
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: thats debian
[13:14] <HollowPoint> yup
[13:14] <danub> i somehow managed to get multiple desktops on here for a second, but then i logged out for compiz and its been gone ever since and i cant make them come back
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: then head over to #debian
[13:14] <HollowPoint> gave up on Ubuntu/Kubuntu at 8.10, still come in here to help others with it though, and figured I'd ask you're advice on the OOo3 problem
[13:14] <HollowPoint> nah #debian sucks. no one helps anyone
[13:15] <HollowPoint> just re-installing 2.4 for now, it works, at some point 3.0 will be out of /experimental in Debian and I'll just be able to use it. Sucks though
[13:15] <danub> so, ActionParsnip where exactly is the desktop size setting?
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> danub: http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/392626-compiz-cant-see-desktop-cube-selected-desktop-effects.html
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: what is new in 3?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> danub: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/archive/index.php/t-4491.html
[13:16] <HollowPoint> lots of stuff really, added/extra support for .docx etc
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> im safe then
[13:16] <HollowPoint> plus it looks better and has better support (Usually)
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> looks are the least of my worries
[13:16] <HollowPoint> lol
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> minimal themes are sweet, like liquifox and fluxbox
[13:19] <HollowPoint> I've been living with a graphic designer for a girlfriend too long, looks become quite important to me unfortunately :(
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> haha
[13:21] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip: what you running these days anyway? Last time I spoke to you, you were installing a Gentoo box if I remember correctly?
[13:22] <mark_csi> hi all, anyone know how to clear /var/log/messages - 'sudo > /var/log/messages' doesn't work?
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: yeah hes still chugging away, im on kubuntu intrepid + fluxbox + compiz for laughs
[13:23] <HollowPoint> if you want to clear them just mv /var/log/messages /var/log/messages.old
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> mark_csi: cat 1 > /var/log/messages
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> mark_csi: the file will only contain the number 1
[13:24] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip: yikes, what you using the Gentoo box for then? I decided against intrepid, it went against everything I stand for lol
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: file server, torrents, sshd
[13:24] <HollowPoint> so it's an entry point mostly?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> yeah pretty much
[13:24] <HollowPoint> gentoo with no GUI then I assume?
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> yeah, no point having it
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> more stable that way
[13:25] <mark_csi> HollowPoint: thanks that works, ActionParsnip: got permission denied for that
[13:25] <HollowPoint> yeah, I'm thinking about introducing another Gentoo server to our network just to act as a headless Server. Problem is I love Gentoo so much it's hard for me not to play once I've got it installed on something
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> mark_csi: you'd need sudo
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: hehe nice
[13:26] <mark_csi> ActionParsnip: did do sudo
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> sudo cat 1 > /var/log/messages
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> or it may be '1'
[13:26] <HollowPoint> I did try running it as my desktop again a few months back when 2009.0 was released, I screwed it within a week by adding keywords_accept ~x86 and then installing a whole bunch of stuff
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> anyways if you use > it will empty the file then put the text in, >> appends
[13:28] <mark_csi> thanks guys
[13:28] <HollowPoint> np mark_csi
[13:29] <HollowPoint> well I suppose it's time for one last smoke and then bed, 2:30am here :(
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> 1:30pm here
[13:30] <HollowPoint> England
[13:30] <HollowPoint> ?
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> the same
[13:31] <HollowPoint> lucky bastard
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> why?
[13:31] <HollowPoint> I'm English mate, just stuck living in Nz
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> my mte moved a few years ago, says its awesome
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> *mate
[13:31] <HollowPoint> nah dude sucks
[13:32] <HollowPoint> internet is pathetic, cops hide in unmarked vehicles, at the side of country lanes, at the bottom of a hill at 2am and take your picture if your 10kmh (5mph or less) over the speed limit comin down the hill
[13:32] <HollowPoint> not to mention the taxes are high, wages are low, no one knows how to drive, business (The reason I'm stuck here cos I own and run one) is crap etc
[13:33] <HollowPoint> oh plus it's scalding hot in the summer and freezing cold in the winter, no double glazing, no central heating and no insultation in WOODEN houses instead of brick, it's ridiculous, no place to live really
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> nice
[13:34] <HollowPoint> I'm from South East London and right now am VERY tempted to pack the bags and go back
[13:36] <HollowPoint> oh I forgot to mention capped broadband limits, less than 6MB download even though I'm less than 500 meters from the exchange and everyone pronounces Router as Rowter!
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> yeah i work for a US company and its ROWTER there too
[13:37] <HollowPoint> grah really annoys me, they consider Router to mean Rooter and therefore a dirty word, yet they're allowed to say piss and shit on the radio/tv at 3pm in the afternoon when my 3 year old is listening/watching
[13:38] <jimmy51_home> i have 2 folders, folder1 and folder2.  how do i put them in a zip that a windows user could open?
[13:39] <dr_Willis> !zip
[13:39] <HollowPoint> easiest way to make sure is install wine, then install winrar, then zip them using winrar however you could just use the tar command
[13:39] <jimmy51_home> yikes.... that's the easiest?
[13:39] <dr_Willis> or the zip command..
[13:39] <HollowPoint> zip command works too yeah
[13:39] <dr_Willis> use ark. make archive.. drag/drop
[13:39] <jimmy51_home> hehe, that's more like it
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: you can make rar with rar
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> !info rar
[13:39] <pajak12> dd
[13:39] <HollowPoint> if the windows user has winrar then it's not a problem anyway, it can open most anything you like
[13:40] <HollowPoint> yeah I know ActionParsnip but I hate the Linux version of rar, I hate to admit it but winrar just rocks
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> cli rar rocks
[13:41] <jimmy51_home> zip -r *.* evtlogs.zip
[13:41] <jimmy51_home> that doesn't work
[13:41] <HollowPoint> lol ok, I always get errors trying to unrar anything that was rar'd on a windows box, whereas winrar just does what it says on the tin
[13:41] <jimmy51_home> i must have the syntax wrong
[13:41] <dr_Willis> wine winrar.exe
[13:42]  * HollowPoint agrees with dr_Willis agreeing with what HollowPoint had already said :D
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> rar <folder name> rarname.rar
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> or if you have rar and unrar installed, ark can do it
[13:43] <HollowPoint> yeah that works fine ActionParsnip but unrar is a whole different kettle of kippers
[13:43] <jimmy51_home> hmm
[13:43] <HollowPoint> ark is much improve lately I must admit
[13:43] <jimmy51_home> ark says it doesn't support folders
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> rar x rarfile.rar
[13:43] <HollowPoint> doesn't support the folders?
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> or is it unrar
[13:43] <HollowPoint> you're trying to make a generic zip file right?
[13:43] <jimmy51_home> doesn't support adding folders at this time
[13:43] <jimmy51_home> yeah
[13:44] <Logi> I can't find the management interface for the non-free drivers in kubuntu. What is the name I should be looking for?
[13:44] <HollowPoint> if you type man zip what happens?
[13:44] <HollowPoint> Logi what non-free drivers do you want to install?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> jimmy51_home: you could create a tar.gz, winrar can read those
[13:45] <jimmy51_home> a type of cuneiform pops up, unreadable except by the ancients who carved it
[13:45] <Logi> HollowPoint: nvidia. I downgraded to the not-quite-newest version since the video card's fan was going constantly
[13:45] <padi> is there a way, flash works within konqueror under kde 4.1.2 for more than one guy? I seem to stumble apon false solutions. "works for me" seems a very widespread way to deal with bugs today
[13:45] <Logi> HollowPoint: but since then I've seen an upgrade to some sort of nvidia card database package so perhaps it works better now
[13:47] <Logi> HollowPoint: I just need the name of the executable or the menu item to look for - I just can't find it now that it isn't blinking at me in the taskbar
[13:47] <HollowPoint> I believe there are still issues with the latest X.Org used in 8.10 and Nvidia cards Logi, not too sure how to help you on this one really, I could suggest going to nvidia.com, download their latest, then install it manually
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> Logi: tried envy?
[13:47] <HollowPoint> that requires closing the X server though with something like /etc/init.d/kdm stop then in the command line running the nvidia driver file
[13:48] <HollowPoint> my way that is, not envy
[13:48] <Logi> ActionParsnip: nope
[13:48] <HollowPoint> jimmy if you type zip * filename.zip what happens then? No other options or commands?
[13:48] <jimmy51_home> rar a Server01 Server02 myarchive.rar worked
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> Logi: sudo apt-get install envyng-qt && kdesudo envyng-qt &
[13:49] <jimmy51_home> i'll try that, HollowPoint
[13:49] <HollowPoint> ah ok cool, they have winrar or something similar then? rar isn't as easy to open as zip if they don't have winrar
[13:49] <Logi> ActionParsnip: hmm.. that's probably also useful for configuring the nvidia driver once I'm running the right one?
[13:49] <jimmy51_home> zip file structure invalid
[13:50] <HollowPoint> nice
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> Logi: give it a try, it might sort you out. Im on 8.10 with org whatever and all is well
[13:50] <Logi> ActionParsnip: and perhaps to get the newer driver to play nice like the older one does
[13:50] <Logi> hah, "Hardware Drivers" is what I was looking for
[13:51] <Logi> how's that for obvious?
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> jimmy51_home: create a tar.gz and winrar will be able to read it
[13:51] <Logi> I'm running revision 173 of nvidia but there is a 177 that I want to try out again. Then I'll also try envy
[13:51] <Logi> thanks
[13:51] <jimmy51_home> zip -r evtlogs.zip *
[13:51] <jimmy51_home> that worked!
[13:52] <jimmy51_home> i'll send them the rar and the zip
[13:52] <jimmy51_home> they should be able to open at least one of them
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> tar czf /path/to/output/filename.tar.gz /path/to/folder/to/compress
[13:53] <jimmy51_home> :)
[13:54] <HollowPoint> if they've got winrar then they'll be able to open both, if not Windows is only capable of a .zip file and only if it's XP SP2 or higher and even then it can be tricky lol, advise your friend to use Linux
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> winrar handles tar.gz nicely, id get him to install it
[13:55] <HollowPoint> like I said before winrar kicks ass
[13:55] <HollowPoint> aside from Steam, Counter Strike Source and HL2, neither of which I ever get to play, I don't have anything eles installed in wine but Winrar
[13:56] <HollowPoint> someone needs to write a proper distiller for Linux as well because Adobe Distiller doesn't work in wine, and no I'm not volunteering
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/a-detailed-review-on-15-best-compressionarchiving-tools/
[13:59]  * HollowPoint makes note to self, must get round to configuring konversation to launch FF3 instead of konqueror on link clicks
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> what does distiller do?
[14:00] <HollowPoint> distills raw/vector images and spits out a PDF
[14:01] <HollowPoint> like I said, graphic designer girlfriend
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> !cupspdf
[14:01] <HollowPoint> yeah not the same dude
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> just print the image through a pdf printer
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> how so?
[14:01] <HollowPoint> there's print to pdf and distiller lol
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> so whats different?
[14:02] <HollowPoint> print to pdf just converts to pdf, which ends up with losses, somewhat like converting an eps vector file or cdr vector file to a jpg, you get major losses in image quality, put a cdr or eps through distiller however and you get a print quality pdf, that's smaller in size than the original file but still prints perfectly at the print shop
[14:03] <HollowPoint> i.e. for print quality business cards, leaflets, posters, etc
[14:04] <HollowPoint> it's seriously heavy shit that no one realises unless they've worked in print or live with someone who has (Graphic designer girlfriend)
[14:08] <HollowPoint> just looking through that compression article you posted, interesting stuff, also noticed winace, I used to use that in the olden/dark days (Win 98SE) then it started crashing my machine so I changed to WinRAR
[14:10] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmmm the looming question now arises, 03:10am, missus is in bed already and has been for an hour, do I a) get another beer and have another smoke or b) go to bed without either and lay there thinking about another beer and a smoke before finally falling asleep
[14:11] <surma_> some one knows nice dock for kubuntu 8.10??
[14:11] <HollowPoint> sorry surma_ never heard of it\
[14:11] <HollowPoint> Karamba I assume?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> surma_: kooldock is ok
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> surma_: kiba-dock
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> !find dock
[14:13] <surma_> thanks
[14:13] <cameri> surma
[14:14] <cameri> try this
[14:14] <cameri> avant-window-navigator
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> oh man
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> i think kooldock is waaay better than avant
[14:14] <cameri> it wasn't listed
[14:15] <Bluestyle> i have download mp3 codec for amarok but still dont play songs ?
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> !mp3 | Bluestyle
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> Bluestyle: try:
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[14:15] <Bluestyle> thank you
[14:16] <Bluestyle> ok
[14:16] <Bluestyle> thanx
[14:19] <Bluestyle> how i install programs from the ark
[14:19] <Bluestyle> i extrcked them and after?
[14:19] <Bluestyle> sorry new here
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> Bluestyle: wat did you extract? its rare you do that, usually you use repos
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> Bluestyle: what app do you desire
[14:20] <Bluestyle> i have download second life
[14:20] <Bluestyle> i have extract it and now?
[14:20] <Bluestyle> how i install it
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> Bluestyle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=277367
[14:21] <concernedcitizen> hi guys, i'm trying to upgrade to interprid via adept manager, and I ran into some kind of download error, when I try doing an apt-get install -f in console, I get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6"
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> Bluestyle: you may need to sudo apt-get install build-essential
[14:23] <b4283> hi
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> Bluestyle: you will need to have 3d drivers installed for it to work as well
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> hi b4283
[14:23] <b4283> does the new kubuntu support PPPoE natively ?
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> !pppoe
[14:23] <b4283> i couldn't find the options
[14:23] <b4283> GOOD, thank you very much
[14:24]  * ActionParsnip loves factoids
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> !cookie | ActionParsnip
[14:24] <b4283> lol
[14:26]  * HollowPoint just went past the point of being able to stay awake while drinking beer and watching youtube and is going to bed, night all!
[14:31] <b4283> wow
[14:31] <b4283> gotta type command line to start a pppoe connection
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> b4283: you can make a script once you know what you need
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> b4283: you can then add the script to your menu or desktop and click it when it needs establishing (or even have it run at startup)
[14:40] <scribbles> I just created a mirror array on my 3ware raid card, but its not viewable in Dolphin, my secondary drive used to show up and just ask for root to mount it, what do I need to do?
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> scribbles: does it show up in sudo fdisk -l ?
[14:41] <scribbles> for some reason sdb is my main bootable drive
[14:41] <scribbles> and it says sda doesn't contain a valid partition table
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> scribbles: id check what you have and what youve changed
[14:42] <scribbles> so would /dev/sda not have a valid partition table because I've yet to partition it?
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> scribbles: if they are fresh disks then yes
[14:42] <dr_Willis> scribbles,  yes
[14:43] <scribbles> so if logic is correct, I should be able to format /dev/sda and then it be available to mount in Dolphin?
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> scribbles: well you'll need to create 1 partition at least
[14:43] <b4283> ActionParsnip: good idea, thx
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> and format that
[14:55] <scribbles> ActionParsnip: qtparted sees it and is formatting it now, THANKS!
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> np bro
[15:02] <b4283> !vnc
[15:02] <b4283> !jabber
[15:02] <b4283> cool
[15:07] <Dragonath> right, how do I edit the k menu in kde4?
[15:07] <scribbles> I mounted /dev/sda1 to /media/Mirror but how why does it not show in Places in Dolphin?
[15:08] <alonea> hey, do you guys have any info on this video card? I am not having problems with 3d support directly in the os, but with wine it crashes the system. Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[15:17] <b4283> !lan
[15:17] <b4283> !ethernet
[15:17] <LjL> !msg the bot
[15:17] <b4283> you don't know anything !
[15:21] <alonea> b4283: whats wrong with your internet?
[15:21] <b4283> i want to setup my LAN manually
[15:22] <b4283> that's ok, i already did it with ifconfig
[15:23] <alonea> b4283: knetworkmanager not cutting it? its a lot better than it was a year ago
[15:24] <b4283> well i didn't know that
[15:25] <b4283> :P
[15:25] <alonea> b4283: I remember having to do it manually before as well. Its much improved and works fine with wpa and I can unplug and plug my ethernet cable without having to restart
[15:26] <sigma> i just edit the interfaces file manually, knetworkmanager has never ever worked for me
[15:27] <DaSkreech> hi alonea
[15:27] <alonea> sigma: its only worked for me in this latest version of kubuntu.
[15:27] <alonea> DaSkreech: hey hun. know anything about intel graphics cards and wine?
[15:27] <DaSkreech> I know about Wine :)
[15:27] <alonea> DaSkreech: *shakes head*
[15:28] <DaSkreech> :-)
[15:28] <DaSkreech> Intel isn't playing nice with Wine?
[15:28] <sigma> didnt for me:( anyway uninstalled it, one less program to boot up
[15:28] <alonea> DaSkreech: essentially, linux is fine with the card, but in wine, my entire system crashes.
[15:28] <cuznt> hi is there a way to get the volume in the task bar ine kde 4?
[15:29] <DaSkreech> alonea: hrrm can you install drivers in wine? I forget
[15:29] <alonea> sigma: who knows. I was just happy to not have to ndiswrapper my wifi card this time.
[15:29] <DaSkreech> cuznt: runkmix
[15:29] <cuznt> THANKS
[15:29] <alonea> DaSkreech: well, the thing is, the drivers are installed, and I can run 3d apps in linux fun and glxgears gets over 100 fps fullscreen.
[15:29] <cuznt> I JUST USED KATAPULT
[15:29] <cuznt> ADUH IS ME
[15:29] <DaSkreech> cuznt: THAT WORKS PLEASE STOP SHOUTING
[15:30] <alonea> *fine
[15:31] <alonea> DaSkreech: compiz is definitely pretty, though turned off to test stuff in wine.
[15:31] <DaSkreech> Right. Have you asked in #winehq ?
[15:32] <sigma> alonea: lol yeah ndiswrapper is dodgy
[15:33] <alonea> DaSkreech: yup...no clue yet
[15:38] <No1PeaceDragon> Ok just upgraded to Intrepid and was wondering if medibuntu has repositories for Intrepid yet?
[15:42] <blueStyle> i have download all the codecs and when i play a video all the times flases
[15:45] <No1PeaceDragon>  Ok just upgraded to Intrepid and was wondering if medibuntu has repositories for Intrepid yet?
[15:46] <mark_csi> hi all - is there anyway to change X11 on boot up, I've a laptop but at work I also use a docking station, I would like to change the resolution
[15:48] <scribbles> why would sudo ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ not return a mounted drive on /dev/sda1
[15:49] <No1PeaceDragon> ok I am out
[15:49] <b4283> i'm out too
[15:49] <b4283> good day
[15:50] <chfwiggum> hi all
[15:50] <PsiKloPx> I'm having trouble installing Adobe Air applications.   Adobe Air installed ok, but when I try to install an app the installer crashes just after the EULA giving me an error# 5100.
[15:51] <PsiKloPx> couldn't find anything on it on the web.
[15:51] <danub> iis there a way for me to set a keybind to open a terminal in KDE? i have ctrl+t set to open a terminal in GNOME, but i cant find the option to do it in the system settings -> keyboard menu
[15:51] <PsiKloPx> sorry...running 8.10
[15:52] <cuznt> oh caps lock was on
[15:52] <danub> PsiKloPx: anything entered into logs about it? maybe dmsg or something
[15:52] <cuznt> i am sorrt
[15:52] <cuznt> -t +y
[15:52] <cuznt> a bigger a duh
[15:55] <chfwiggum> hi my 8.10 is not playing .mkv nicely. libmatroska0 installed. where do i start searching? tia
[15:56] <danub> anyone know how to set custom key binds for applications?
[15:58] <PsiKloPx> danub: sorry, I'm a noob...where can I get to the logs?
[15:58] <danub> PsiKloPx: /var/log
[16:00] <danub>  just cd into /var/log and do a grep for the error code  (grep 5001 *) and see if anything pops up
[16:02] <raphink> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=linux+logs+location
[16:02] <raphink> :)
[16:02] <raj>  help guys i cannot go more than 1024 resolution (huge) without turning the mirror option off, when i do and get the laptop display (which displays on an external) i can . but it messes up my panels and i cannot expand windows full screen, also the panels do not expand on the full width . help please..
[16:03] <genii> PsiKloPx: The logs in /var/log which usually contain the most useful information:  messages boot lastlog user.log
[16:03] <danub> wow, i cant believe there is actually a 'www.letmegooglethatforyou.com website...
[16:04] <danub> thats pretty sad
[16:04] <danub> :P
[16:04] <raphink> not it's fun
[16:04] <raphink> :)
[16:05] <raphink> it makes a change from "google is your friend"
[16:05] <raphink> :)
[16:05] <raj>  help guys i cannot go more than 1024 resolution (huge) without turning the mirror option off, when i do and get the laptop display (which displays on an external) i can . but it messes up my panels and i cannot expand windows full screen, also the panels do not expand on the full width . help please..
[16:05] <raphink> let me see if I got it right raj
[16:06] <raphink> you have two screens in dual screen configuration
[16:06] <PsiKloPx> Nothing in any of the logs you mentioned references adobe.
[16:06] <raphink> but the resolution doesn't go above 1024x768 unless you switch to mirroring
[16:06] <raphink> is that it?
[16:06] <danub> what was the error code?
[16:06] <danub> raphink: wont go higher unless he turns mirror OFF
[16:07] <raphink> ah yes
[16:07] <raj> raphink no i just have an external monitor coz my laptop's monitor is broke
[16:07] <blueStyle> play music with amarok but i cant hear anything
[16:07] <danub> but then it screws up his panel and he cant fullscreen the windows
[16:07]  * raphink should get some sleep
[16:07] <blueStyle> i have the mp3 codec
[16:07] <raj> no the relsolution goes up without mirroring
[16:07] <darth_chatri> hi, i've installed ubuntu 8.04. do the kde4 packages have kde 4.2?
[16:08] <raj> my graphics card is ATI radeon 340M its a compaq presario 2170us laptop
[16:08] <danub> bluestyle, double click your speaker icon, make sure pcm is all the way up
[16:08] <raphink> raj: when you're in mirroring, the resolution is limited by the lower resolution that both screens can take
[16:08] <blueStyle> danub:its ok i hear sound when i play video
[16:09] <raphink> so if your broken screen cannot take more than 1024x768, the other one won't go higher unless you switch mirroring off
[16:09] <blueStyle> only in amarok i cant
[16:09] <raj> raphink: i know and its huge ( i dont like it) so now i am trying to set my external as default and get the resolution up to 1440
[16:09] <ralf_> hallo
[16:09] <raphink> ok
[16:10]  * raphink already had too much xorg.conf issues for a day :s
[16:10] <danub> blueStyle: i dont use amarok so i cant say for sure, but there should be a configuration or prefernces menu. make sure that your using the correct device for sound output
[16:11] <raj> raphink i am new :( used pclinuxos before with no screen issues however not enough support for it . i also need to increase the refresh rate
[16:11] <blueStyle> thanx
[16:11] <raphink> darth_chatri: you can find kde 4.1.2 in the backports
[16:12] <raphink> raj: you can do all this in xorg.conf
[16:12] <raj> raphink: how can i get there?
[16:12] <raphink> the file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:12] <raphink> and the manual to use it is "man xorg.conf"
[16:12] <raphink> it's not a very easy setup to do though
[16:13] <darth_chatri> raphink, are they available for 4.1.2? What do I put in the sources.list?
[16:13] <raj> raphink: oh . im out of luck?
[16:14] <raphink> raj: you're not out of luck. If you have time for it, you might very well get to know xorg.conf much better once you're done fixing it :)
[16:14] <raphink> darth_chatri: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2
[16:14] <raj> i tried it it says permission denied and under Sudo it tells me command not found
[16:14] <raphink> what gives you command not found raj?
[16:15] <raj> sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:15] <raphink>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf is a file, not a command
[16:15] <raphink> you need a program to edit it
[16:15] <raphink> e.g. "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[16:15] <raj> how can i get the program?
[16:15] <raj> oh thx
[16:16] <raphink> or "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[16:16] <raphink> in the first case, the program is nano, an easy to use command line editor
[16:16] <raphink> in the second case, the program is kate, a graphical editor for KDE
[16:16] <wangjinqu> hello
[16:17] <danub> or vim
[16:17] <danub> :P
[16:17] <wangjinqu> i am a fish in the linux world
[16:17] <raj> okay i got the xorg file using nano
[16:17] <raphink> danub: I would have suggested it azs it's my default editor, but if he doesn't know how to edit a file already...
[16:17] <danub> yeah
[16:17] <raphink> raj: when you have time, get to know vim, too :)
[16:17] <wangjinqu> are there any chinese?
[16:17] <raj> okay thx
[16:18] <raphink> raj: sudo apt-get install vim ; vimtutor
[16:18] <danub> i love vim, but notepad is easier
[16:18] <danub> i mean kate
[16:18] <danub> lol
[16:18] <raphink> :O
[16:18] <raphink> =>[]
[16:18] <raphink> how dare you compare kate with notepad
[16:19] <danub> lol ok, wordpad
[16:19] <danub> whatever
[16:19] <danub> :P
[16:19] <raphink> the day notepad does what kate does, windows vista will have as many graphical options as compiz
[16:19] <genii> Hehe... this isn't the place for editor wars however
[16:19] <wangjinqu> is there anyone who knows hello to make the kopete provide the QQ?
[16:19] <danub> wangjinqu: you aren't making any sense... what is the QQ supposed to be?
[16:20] <raphink> it's an IM protocol
[16:20] <raphink> and it's supported by Kopete by default
[16:20] <wangjinqu> yes
[16:20] <genii> wangjinqu: Try in #ubuntu-cn or #kubuntu-cn
[16:20] <raphink> wangjinqu: just go in Kopete and add a new account and choose QQ as the protocol
[16:20] <danub> QQ is a new messenger?
[16:20] <eagles0513875> hey guys i got a question whats happening with the nasty bug of not being able to use statip's
[16:20] <wangjinqu> thank you i will have a try
[16:20] <raphink> danub: no, a chinese one
[16:20] <danub> ohh ok
[16:20] <raphink> danub: just like gadu gadu is for polish
[16:21] <danub> gadu gadu... wonder if romanians have one yet
[16:21] <raphink> hehe
[16:21] <danub> i want that one :). i gotta bone up on my romanian
[16:21]  * raphink wonders if the QQ network is better controlled by the chinese govt
[16:21] <wangjinqu> raphink  are you  a chinese?
[16:21] <raphink> danub: you can sign up for free on gadu gadu
[16:21] <raphink> you just have to know polish people to talk to once you have an account ;)
[16:21] <danub> yeah but that is for polish people
[16:22] <genii> Heh, the guy asks a question then leaves 30 seconds later
[16:22] <raphink> wangjinqu: not at all
[16:22] <danub> i dont know polish
[16:22] <raphink> danub: ah
[16:22] <danub> and i am sure there is some kind of search function
[16:22] <wangjinqu> oh  but you just say "hehe"
[16:22] <danub> i will just start randomly talking to me
[16:22] <raphink> genii: I guess he was just trolling
[16:22] <raphink> wangjinqu: what about hehe?
[16:23] <wangjinqu> nothing  i think often a chinese says like that
[16:23] <genii> "hehe" is not the name of an IM like gadugadu
[16:23] <wangjinqu> hehe  means 呵呵
[16:23] <raphink> wangjinqu: well French people say that often too
[16:24] <raphink> in French, hehe means héhé
[16:24] <raphink> ;)
[16:24] <wangjinqu> oh  got
[16:24] <wangjinqu> it
[16:24] <danub> lol english say it too
[16:25] <danub> hehe means haha
[16:25] <raphink> danub: yes ;)
[16:25] <raphink> well not really
[16:25] <wangjinqu> i am a chinese and  my english is weak
[16:25] <raphink> I would say hehe is less noisy than haha
[16:25] <danub> those ok, im english and my english is weak too
[16:25] <raphink> haha is like a loud laugh, while hehe is more of a shy, discrete one
[16:25] <wangjinqu> hehe
[16:25] <danub> hehe is feminine, haha is masculine
[16:25] <raphink> I'm french, and my chinese is very bad
[16:25] <raphink> danub: hahaha
[16:26] <raphink> I'm not going to take offense
[16:26] <raphink> :)
[16:26] <danub> your a girl?
[16:26] <prashant> anyone here is a maintianer ?
[16:26] <wangjinqu> i am a boy
[16:26] <wangjinqu> now grade 2 in college
[16:27] <PsiKloPx> danub & genii: didn't find anything in the logs pertaining to adobe or any errors.
[16:27] <scribbles> I just mounted an array to /mnt/Mirror and loaded it into fstab using "defaults" and when I access it in Dolphin it says Access Denied, what do I need to change?
[16:28] <genii> PsiKloPx: Perhaps email Adobe about it, they may know something
[16:28] <wangjinqu> i think there is a good way to solve that problem
[16:28] <danub> PsiKloPx: what was the error code
[16:29] <danub> and what application are you trying to install?
[16:30] <danub> brb gootta email a song to someone
[16:37] <PsiKloPx> danub: error# 5100
[16:37] <misreckoning> hello, I can't activate FGLRX with "Restricted Drivers" application, can I do it manually?
[16:37] <PsiKloPx> found a list of error codes for adobe air but they only went up to 3XXX.
[16:38] <misreckoning> I've installed Kubuntu 8.10, and also KNetworkmanager won't let me connect to Wireless
[16:39] <cbus> hello, where do i pick what driver to use for X? (dont feel like manually installing one)
[16:40] <misreckoning> cbus: try with Restricted Drivers application (though it didn't work for me :) )
[16:40] <cbus> misreckoning, just installed ubuntu to fuck around with weird wms ;)
[16:40] <cbus> dont feel like doing it manually, might aswell reboot to arch then :)
[16:40] <cbus> but last time it ried there was a shiny kde menu to change drivers
[16:40] <cbus> think it was kde 3.x-ish
[16:40] <misreckoning> cbus: or Debian :P
[16:41] <cbus> hehe, yeah, never done that with debian
[16:41] <cbus> only used debian for servers
[16:41] <misreckoning> go to K menu, then type Hardware Drivers
[16:41] <misreckoning> cbus: there you will find your graphics card, click on it and then click "activate"
[16:42] <misreckoning> cbus: if you are lucky, that will do the job
[16:42] <cbus> No prop. drivers are in use on this system. (it has some weird radeon card)
[16:42] <cbus> that is supported by the open source ati-drivers (dunno about the prop. drivers though)
[16:43] <misreckoning> cbus: dunno then, btw, now I found why it didn't work for me ... you have to double click it :P
[16:43] <misreckoning> cbus: going to reboot now ...
[16:43] <misreckoning> cya
[16:43] <cbus> whats the default partitioner in kubuntu btw? seems like q(t)parted is removed (and apparently kubuntu doesnt ship with dm-crypt) :)
[16:59] <Trip_09> hey
[16:59] <Trip_09> I migrate from Gnome to Kde
[17:00] <Trip_09> maybe someone can help me with this questions...
[17:00] <snyderios> so tell us your questions
[17:01] <Trip_09> 1. Can I put files in my Desktop? Because now when I try put something in the Desktop they make a widget
[17:01] <Trip_09> I already put the files inside ~/Desktop
[17:01] <Trip_09> but nothing...
[17:02] <trappist> Trip_09: yeah that doesn't work the same way in kde4
[17:02]  * cbus tries to keep his bofh-tendencies from showing
[17:02] <danub> the "desktop" widget is your desktop
[17:02] <Sammy16> Any-one else having a problem with compiz and adept_notifer where there is an empty space in the notification area?
[17:02] <danub> no desktop widget, no desktop icons
[17:02] <Sammy16> I only have 1024 vertical pixels and the wasted panel space is annoying.
[17:02] <Sammy16> Horizontal*
[17:03] <Trip_09> so all will be "like shortcuts"?
[17:03] <cbus> how do i restart X properly? ;)
[17:03] <cbus> ctrl+alt+backspace? :D
[17:03] <Sammy16> Cbus: yes.
[17:03] <snyderios> strg + alt + backspace
[17:03] <Sammy16> Cbus: I'd logout first if I was you.
[17:03] <snyderios> this will restart your x-server
[17:03] <Sammy16> Cbus: So KDE can save settings.
[17:04] <cbus> bah, kdm didnt restart :)
[17:04] <Trip_09> and about the applets they I use in Gnome can I put in the painels of Kde4? example netspeed
[17:04] <Sammy16> Did Ubuntu block access to TYs in earlier releases?
[17:05] <Sammy16> I remember I had an issue switching to TYs.
[17:05] <Sammy16> Seems to be fine on 8.04 though.
[17:05] <blueStyle> all the time flases black screens when i play a video file
[17:06] <Sammy16> BlueStyle: What driver?
[17:06] <Trip_09> some one!? can tell me who I put the applets from Gnome in kde panel?!
[17:06] <PsiKloPx> I finally found something on Adobe Air Error#5100: "Error 5100 is reported when AIR can't launch an external process that it needs."
[17:06] <blueStyle> driver?
[17:07] <Sammy16> Trip_09: Use a KDE alternativwe?
[17:07] <Sammy16> BlueStyle: video driver.
[17:07] <Trip_09> no
[17:07] <Trip_09> Sammy16: no
[17:07] <blueStyle> vlc if you mean
[17:07] <Sammy16> Trip_09: Why not?
[17:07] <Trip_09> Sammy16:  it's the first time that I install Kde
[17:07] <cbus> why oh why doesnt kubuntu come with a proper vim :/
[17:08] <Sammy16> Trip_09: So?
[17:08] <Sammy16> Trip_09: There are KDE alternatives to Gnome applets.
[17:08] <Sammy16> Any-one else having a problem with compiz and adept_notifer where there is an empty space in the notification area?
[17:09] <Sammy16> I'm going to have to get rid of my upgrade notification if i can't fix it :(
[17:09] <cbus> so, how do i get accelerated X with ati drivers when the hardware thingie doesnt find my driver ? :D
[17:09] <Sammy16> BlueStyle: you're using vlc?
[17:09] <Sammy16> BlueStyle: I've never used VLC before.
[17:10] <Sammy16> Cbus: Easy.
[17:10] <blueStyle> yes
[17:10] <Sammy16> Cbus: What driver are you using?
[17:10] <Sammy16> BlueStyle: Can't help then, sorry.
[17:10] <cbus> sammy16, default one, no clue
[17:10] <cbus> sammy16, since ubuntu has borked up the xorg.conf
[17:10] <cbus> (pretty much blanked it out with default settings)
[17:10] <Sammy16> Cbus: There's tons of different drivers for ATI cards now.
[17:10] <Sammy16> Cbus: What driver do you want to use?
[17:11] <blueStyle> np ty
[17:11] <cbus> hmm, anyone
[17:11] <cbus> that gives hw accel
[17:11] <Sammy16> Cbus: What card do you have?
[17:11] <cbus> Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[17:11] <Sammy16> Cbus: Is that an R300  card?
[17:11] <cbus> i uno, thats an M6-card :)
[17:11] <Sammy16> Cbus: Or R400?
[17:11] <blueStyle> i have install secondlife and i can find it to run it
[17:11] <cbus> http://archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/xf86-video-ati/
[17:11] <cbus> thats the one i usually use
[17:12] <Sammy16> Cbus: The open source one :)
[17:12] <Sammy16> That's great.
[17:12] <cbus> yuh
[17:12] <Sammy16> Is the driver installed?
[17:12] <Sammy16> Cbus: Is the driver installed?
[17:12] <cbus> hmm, xserver-xorg-video-ati
[17:12] <cbus> yaeh
[17:13] <Sammy16> Cbus: Using 8.04 or later, right?
[17:13] <cbus> 8.10
[17:13] <Sammy16> If so, xorg will automatically detect it and use the driver./
[17:13] <cbus> how do i see if its actually in use?
[17:13] <Sammy16> Cbus: Have you modified your xorg at all?
[17:13] <cbus> nope
[17:13] <walbert1> is there a way to toss an if block into rc.local that checks what runlevel is being entered?  it claims to run on every multi-user run level, but i only want to execute something on runlevel 5..
[17:13] <Sammy16> Cbus: Then you're using it.
[17:14] <cbus> hmm, lousy performance then, i get like probably around 10-20fps when moving windows (transparent moving stuff)
[17:14] <Sammy16> Cbus: I'm not surprised.
[17:14] <Sammy16> Cbus: Try Fglrx if you need more performance.
[17:14] <cbus> sammy16, cause of the OS driver?
[17:15] <Sammy16> Cbus: Yeah and your crappy card.
[17:15] <Sammy16> BRB 2 mins.
[17:15] <cbus> sammy16, this card isnt that crappy :) if i remember correctly it does hw accelerated VS
[17:18] <scribbles> if I added a drive to fstab using "defaults" and it mounts but my user can't copy to it, what do I do?
[17:25] <Sammy16> Any-one else having a problem with compiz and adept_notifer where there is an empty space in the notification area?
[17:25] <cbus> sammy16, anyway, just apt-get catalyst?
[17:25] <Sammy16> Cbus: Something like that.#
[17:26] <Sammy16> Cbus: Make sure you remove the open source driver too.
[17:28] <cbus> sammy16, what packages, cant seem to find some real catalyst-package, need to add another repo to sources.list?
[17:28] <Sammy16> So that xorg will set the Fglrx driver as default.
[17:29] <Sammy16> Cbus: non-free section needs to be in your sources.list.
[17:31] <Sammy16> I wish my HDD and flash drive and SSDs were super fast so that this 10 hour process would be done instantly.
[17:32] <Sammy16> Backing up, wiping HDD, installing new OS ><
[17:33] <Sammy16> I wish I had a 15,000rpm raptor 300GB backup drive.
[17:34] <Sammy16> I could backup all my data in an instant :D
[17:36] <Sammy16> Any-one else having a problem with compiz and adept_notifer where there is an empty space in the notification area?
[17:40] <JegesTea> Hello all
[17:41] <JegesTea> pls link the hun ubuntu ^^
[17:41] <JegesTea> chanel
[17:41] <JegesTea> oh, i find ^^
[17:42] <amerigo> Heii boys....  there's a way to share Xp desktop from a kubuntu machine?
[17:43] <amerigo> any tips?
[17:45] <amerigo> !desktop
[17:50] <ubuntu_> hi all
[17:50] <skyhate> what's up ,
[17:51] <skyhate> ?
[17:54] <[ifroog]> wow, 324 users.
[17:54] <amerigo> Heii boys....  there's a way to share Xp desktop from a kubuntu machine?
[17:55] <skyhate> maybe yes amerigo
[17:55] <[ifroog]> amerigo, rdesktop
[17:56] <starenka> Hello. Anyone knows AVI (or any video) to animated GIF convertor? Or at least smthng which saves all frames to pictures within a video selection? Thanx
[17:56] <amerigo> I suppose yes .... otherways I don't ask
[17:56] <amerigo> rdesktop ?
[17:56] <Tm_T> !show krdc
[17:56] <Tm_T> bah
[17:56] <[ifroog]> http://www.rdesktop.org/
[17:56] <Tm_T> !info krdc
[17:56] <Tm_T> amerigo: that one?
[17:58] <skyhate> Cya All i have to go
[17:58] <skyhate> exit
[17:58] <amerigo> Tm_T: yes
[17:59] <amerigo> Tm_T: from kubuntu.... but in XP?
[17:59] <[ifroog]> amerigo, krdc has a port for windows too.
[18:00] <Tm_T> amerigo: hmm, you mean, you like to see Kubuntu desktop in XP ?
[18:00] <amerigo> sorry if i continue .... but I think that before i had to set Invite from Xp
[18:00] <Tm_T> amerigo: then see freeNX/VNC client or use built-in remote desktop
[18:00] <amerigo> Tm_T:
[18:00] <amerigo> Tm_T: no in the other sense
[18:00] <Tm_T> amerigo: no idea, never used, but perhaps, perhaps not
[18:01] <amerigo> It's clear... right? I wan't to see my xp desktop from Kubuntu
[18:02] <Tm_T> got it now, yes
[18:02] <Tm_T> krdc is the key, dunno what XP end needs, though
[18:03] <amerigo> !windows
[18:03] <[ifroog]> amerigo, yes, krdc will do that.
[18:03] <amerigo> yes i know
[18:03] <amerigo> nut i don't know wath xp use
[18:04] <Tm_T> amerigo: you might try ##windows too (:
[18:04] <Tm_T> I'm sure there someone knows
[18:04] <[ifroog]> Windows uses rdp.
[18:04] <trappist> amerigo: if I understand your question, you just need to enable remote desktop on XP (see ##windows for how to do that) and use rdesktop on the client (linux) side
[18:13] <cbus> hmm, what ftpclients are available in kubuntu?
[18:15] <[ifroog]> cbus, apt-cache search "ftp client"
[18:16] <cbus> [ifroog], well, none available by default?
[18:16] <[ifroog]> I use konqueror.
[18:16] <[ifroog]> Which is available by default
[18:17] <draik> Is there an issue with Kopete or why does Yahoo never connect? "Error 1: name lookup has failed."
[18:21] <amerigo> Tm_T:
[18:22] <amerigo> Tm_T: I got another problem .... Kubuntu don't see itself
[18:22] <amerigo> but see XP... the same in XP .... (XP can see itself but can't see kubuntu)
[18:23] <amerigo> I suppose that my lan configuration is jumped out from windows
[18:23] <amerigo> of my house
[18:23] <amerigo> uff
[18:24] <No1PeaceDragon> is there anyway to clean up GRUB? I have like 15-20 different things on there since i upgraded from heron to ibex
[18:25] <candykiller> morning guys
[18:26] <No1PeaceDragon> afternoon candy
[18:26] <candykiller> ohh, i guess it is o.0 oversleeping is the best
[18:27] <No1PeaceDragon> yep
[18:28] <snyderios> can someone help me with my soundserver? i tried to restart my soundserver, but when the process is at 95%, it begins again by 0%
[18:28] <No1PeaceDragon> uninstall then reinstall
[18:29] <snyderios> i just want to reboot it, not to reinstall...
[18:29] <No1PeaceDragon> if it stops at 95% then it has a problem and that means a reinstall
[18:30] <walbert1> When I try to log on to an smb share using Dolphin, I need to log on with a domain account (DOMAIN\username), but Dolphin is url encoding the name, and it returns "Access denied to smb://DOMAIN%5Cusername@machine/share" ... is there any way to prevent that from happening?  (kubuntu 8.10/kde 4.1.3)
[18:32] <draik> How do I get pidgin to try and reconnect to Yahoo messenger?
[18:32] <trappist> draik: have you tried?
[18:33] <draik> trappist: I keep clicking on reconnect and then it goes away.
[18:33] <draik> And I'm not even connected.
[18:33] <Tm_T> amerigo: err? 2022.11 < amerigo> Tm_T: I got another problem .... Kubuntu don't see itself
[18:33] <Tm_T> what you mean?
[18:33] <draik> I can't seem to connect to Yahoo at all. Kopete doesn't do it. Pidgin won't do it now.
[18:33] <user1> hi
[18:34] <Tm_T> draik: they have broken network perhaps?
[18:34] <amerigo> i have a lan
[18:34] <Tm_T> amerigo: and?
[18:34] <amerigo> time ag i was able to see other pc
[18:34] <candykiller> i'll try my yahoo
[18:34] <amerigo> now kubuntu see XP
[18:34] <No1PeaceDragon> i just used my Kopete it connected fine
[18:34] <Tm_T> amerigo: what you mean by "see" ?
[18:34] <amerigo> Xp see XP
[18:34] <draik> Tm_T: This has been happening for a very long time. Maybe as early as January/February, but I noticed it since March.
[18:35] <draik> candykiller: Thanks
[18:35] <amerigo> when i look in my network i see XP
[18:35] <amerigo> but not kubuntu
[18:35] <Tm_T> amerigo: and you have samba installed in Kubuntu?
[18:35] <amerigo> see PC and file
[18:35] <amerigo> yes
[18:36] <Tm_T> doublecheck its settings then
[18:36] <candykiller> I'm connected Draik
[18:36] <amerigo> i go in etc samba
[18:36] <draik> candykiller: Which messenger?
[18:36] <amerigo> Tm_T: then smb.conf
[18:36] <candykiller> It could be that you may of input a password wrong? or make sure that you don't have @yahoo.com on your username
[18:36] <amerigo> Tm_T: vi smb.conf
[18:36] <candykiller> Kopete
[18:37] <Tm_T> amerigo: sorry but I don't know about configuring samba (:
[18:37] <candykiller> How do I send a red chat message to you like that Draik?
[18:37] <amerigo> azz
[18:37] <draik> candykiller: The error message is "Error 1 - name lookup has failed"
[18:37] <amerigo> Tm_T:  it is passed long time when i do last time
[18:37] <draik> candykiller: That happens when someone says your name
[18:37] <trappist> candykiller: just prepend the nick like this
[18:37] <draik> I see it red when you say my name, candykiller
[18:37] <candykiller> ohh ok cool
[18:38] <amerigo> now i don't remeber exactly what i have to check
[18:38] <amerigo> ok
[18:38] <amerigo> in another moment
[18:38] <draik> Doens't matter where, trappist, as long as it is in the text
[18:38] <amerigo> in another life
[18:38] <candykiller> draik: try running the web client for yahoo messenger
[18:38] <amerigo> :-)
[18:38] <trappist> draik: for a lot of clients, yeah
[18:38] <draik> candykiller: Which web client?
[18:39] <candykiller> hold on i'll get the link
[18:39] <draik> Thanks
[18:39] <candykiller> draik: http://webmessenger.yahoo.com/
[18:40] <candykiller> is there any real difference between Kopete and Pidgin? performance wise?
[18:41] <draik> candykiller: Nope. Just looks.
[18:41] <draik> This is weird. I can connect using the same username and password. What gives?
[18:41] <candykiller> alright, cause im totally new to linux, i was using Digsby for PC but had heard of Pidgin before
[18:42] <draik> Pidgin replaced GAIM for legal reasons.
[18:42] <candykiller> im not really sure on that one
[18:43] <draik> candykiller: Can you give me your Yahoo server settings?
[18:43] <lin> Can anyone help me with a failing compile of Creative X-Fi soundcard driver? I've never actually compiled a drier before, and I think I'm missing some build-essential packets.
[18:44] <candykiller> draik: How would I find those?
[18:44] <candykiller> Draik: scs.msg.yahoo.com // Port: 5050
[18:44] <draik> That's it. Let me check mine.
[18:45] <draik> What do you have for proxy?
[18:47] <candykiller> draik: That it doesn't give me, atleast not in the same section
[18:48] <draik> IIRC, it should be listed just below the server and ports. Maybe at the bottom.
[18:49] <candykiller> draik: it only gives me Server Name and Port, then it goes on about Buddy Icons, no proxy
[18:50] <draik> Ok
[18:52] <noaXess> good evening
[18:52] <candykiller> hiya
[18:52] <candykiller> hmm, Kopete doesn't support GoogleTalk or MyspaceIM :(
[18:53] <noaXess> something strange happends.. from on to the other time.. my keyborad in kde4 won't work.. i can switch to console with ctrl+alt+f1 and restart kdm and keyboard works fine..? someone has same problem?
[18:53] <draik> candykiller: And apparently, not Yahoo for me. Not my desktop, not my laptop, 2 different logins.
[18:55] <candykiller> draik: sorry I can't help more, just basic troubleshooting there, I know nothing of linux
[18:55] <draik> candykiller: It's ok. There doesn't seem to be much online about my issue either.
[18:56] <draik> HA!
[18:56] <draik> I just searched online and found a log from this channel when I was asking for help a long time ago.
[18:57] <draik> Make that 2
[18:57] <draik> September 15 and October 20 of this year.
[18:57] <candykiller> :S
[18:58] <candykiller> brb, reboot
[18:59] <draik> Time to go. I have a golf game to attend for a birthday. Thanks for the help, candykiller
[19:00] <siw3rs> I have ask. Is it any polish KUBUNTU irc?
[19:00] <Tm_T> !pl | siw3rs
[19:00] <Tm_T> that's all I know (:)
[19:00] <siw3rs> thx
[19:01] <byteme_> how would you install limewire in 4.0? I can install about anything in 3.5, but I guess its different for kde 4
[19:01] <Tm_T> !p2p | byteme_
[19:02] <byteme_> Yeah I know all that but I have lime wire in my pc with 3.5, but wont install in 4
[19:02] <Tm_T> shouldn't be any different really
[19:03] <byteme_> hmm
[19:03] <byteme_> I wonder what I'm doing wrong
[19:04] <candykiller> draik: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=928844
[19:07] <byteme_> its kinda like trying to delete a fie from the desktop in 4.0
[19:14] <strN00B> HI DOGGIES!
[19:14]  * snyderios is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[19:14] <strN00B> hot diggity dog!
[19:14]  * snyder is back.
[19:15]  * snyderios is away: kochen und so
[19:15] <trappist> snyderios: please cut that out.
[19:16] <Logi> konsole in 4.1 is extremely slow compared to in 3.5.x. Is there any way to get it to speed up
[19:16] <Logi> ?
[19:17] <trappist> Logi: slow how?  like slow to open, or what?
[19:17] <vegas_> ola alguien neceito una mano
[19:17] <vegas_> con el konqueror
[19:18] <vegas_> tengo problemas con los flash en youtube
[19:18] <vegas_> me salen sin audio
[19:18] <ubuntu_> bonsoir relay to ubuntu french please
[19:18] <vegas_> alguno sabe a que se debe
[19:18] <trappist> !pt
[19:19] <Logi> trappist: slow to receive text output from an application and scroll it up the screen
[19:19] <Logi> trappist: I have an application which produces a lot of log output and konsole is simply slow to display it compared to xterm or the old konsole
[19:20] <Kalidarn> mmm my monitor wants to do 50hz refresh rate... now i know it can do 85 at 1280x1024.... "xrandr -r 85" says that its not available for this size
[19:20] <Kalidarn> nvidia-settings indicates it is
[19:20] <Kalidarn> while systemsetttings indicates its not
[19:20] <blek> hello sorry i'm in live cd " again and allway" give me french channel please
[19:20] <jtechidna> !fr
[19:20] <blek> thank's
[19:22] <Kalidarn> what might i do, ive had a good look
[19:22] <Kalidarn> to try to get it working with 85.
[19:29] <Kalidarn> mm this is starting to shit me
[19:29] <pulaski> hello, I just installed xampp as my first non-native ubuntu package.  I got the error message "mike@mikesbox:/usr/local$ /opt/lampp/bin/mysql.server: 334: log_success_msg: not found" I've decided not to attemp to spend anymore time on it.  Does anyone know how to remove or unstall a package like this?
[19:30] <jtechidna> usually "sudo make uninstall" from the source directory
[19:31] <pulaski> jtechidna: thanks I'll try it
[19:42] <ncfi1013> why am i getting an 'assertion failed' dialog window when i do a search for something on google?
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> have you updated firefox recently and not restarted firefox?
[19:43] <pulaski> jtechidna: I didn't install  from source.  Instead opened the archive in  /usr/local and the ubuntu howto I followed said that "This guide will install the XAMPP lampp stack into /opt",  I didn't have to compile it so I have no source directory.  is there any way I can proceed?
[19:44] <ncfi1013> you know what that's exactly it. jontheechidna was that question directed at me: have you updated firefox recently and not restarted firefox?
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> ncfi1013: ;-)
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> pulaski: hmm.... I don't know
[19:45] <ncfi1013> thank you then jontheechidna
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[19:48] <P5YCH0> hello
[19:48] <P5YCH0> where do i configure my ubuntu to bounce of a proxy
[19:49] <pulaski> JontheEchidna: thanks for responding.  Can I simply go to /opt/xampp where it was installed and simply rm -rf *?
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> pulaski: probably
 where do i configure my ubuntu to bounce of a proxy
[19:50] <pulaski> JontheEchidna: Thanks again, I'll try it and move on.
[20:02] <someone101> hi
[20:03] <someone101> i am running intrepid ibex and has the gtk-qt engines installed but my qt applications are not showing the kde4 style, please help me
[20:03] <someone101> i meant gtk
[20:05] <someone101> anyone?
[20:08] <someone101> i am running intrepid ibex and has the gtk-qt engines installed but my gtk applications are not showing the kde4 style, can some one help me...
[20:10] <genii> someone101: http://gtk-qt.ecs.soton.ac.uk/
[20:12] <Sir_Captain> i was wondering if anybody knew where i can find out what kind of hardware my computer needs to run 8.10.  my comp is almost 4 yrs old and 8.10 seems to be running slowly.  not sure if my comp is too old or if it was a bad install
[20:12] <someone101> genii, yes i checked that out
[20:13] <someone101> and i am running kde
[20:13] <genii> someone101: Yes, those screenshots are from kde, not gnome
[20:14] <someone101> i did as its told there but still its not working
[20:15] <someone101> i get the old ugly gtk theme :(
[20:30] <mandrake_> olá
[20:33] <CourtJesterG> KinfoCenter is a good application to have
[20:33] <Sir_Captain> i was wondering if anybody knew where i can find out what kind of hardware my computer needs to run 8.10.  my comp is almost 4 yrs old and 8.10 seems to be running slowly.  not sure if my comp is too old or if it was a bad install
[20:34] <CourtJesterG> !Kinfocenter
[20:34] <CourtJesterG> do i really need ksysyttem log?
[20:34] <CourtJesterG> i mean i don't really care about the log files
[20:35] <coma24> sir_captain: in what way was it slow?
[20:35] <coma24> sir_captain: video response, load time?
[20:35] <trappist> Sir_Captain: I'd recommend at least 1GB of ram, but in my experience 8.10 runs faster than hardy
[20:36] <Sir_Captain> coma24: mostiy the time that it takes to process a task.  ie.  the time from clicking an icon to when the program opens
[20:36] <Sir_Captain> trappist: i only have 512M
[20:36] <Sir_Captain> B
[20:36] <Sir_Captain> , which may be one of my issues
[20:37] <Sir_Captain> I was wondering if my computer is just starting to get too outdated for the newer vresions of linux
[20:37] <coma24> you may be getting into your swap space, which is always painfully slow
[20:37] <coma24> perhaps a lighter weight window manager is the key, to minimize the memory usage
[20:38] <Sir_Captain> coma24:  any ideas on how to do that?  i would have just tried an older version of kubuntu
[20:38] <Sir_Captain> coma24: or is that what you meant by the different window manager
[20:39] <coma24> there are different window managers you can run (the thing that paints your desktop in X windows)
[20:39] <coma24> if you're light on memory, find one that doesn't use as many resources
[20:39] <coma24> Lemme see how much mem my rig is using up in 8.10 right now on the windowing stuff
[20:40] <oxiii> hi
[20:40] <Sir_Captain> coma24: do you have a reference so that i can do some research.  i understand what you're saying about the different manager, but i don't know of any
[20:40] <CourtJesterG> ok why does some of these have ? marks in adept what dos the ? mean?
[20:40] <coma24> sir_captain: my knowledge is sadly pretty ancient, I'm just coming back to linux after an 8 yr break
[20:41] <oxiii> what's the meta key in a windows keyboard in kde 4? Its not the super key....
[20:41] <coma24> back then there were a good number of window managers. Today I can't tell if there's any choice beyond GNOME and KDE
[20:41] <Sir_Captain> coma24: i see, i'll see what i can come up with when searching on the internet
[20:41] <oxiii> xfce
[20:42] <oxiii> there are more, i dont recall
[20:42] <coma24> sir_captain: if you can get into KDE on 8.10 I'll show ya how to check the memory usage...
[20:42] <oxiii> xfce is especially lightweight
[20:42] <coma24> sir_captain: applications->system->system monitor
[20:43] <oxiii> what's the meta key in a windows keyboard in kde 4? Its not the super key.... Anyone, please??
[20:43] <Sir_Captain> coma24: thanks, give me one sec
[20:43] <coma24> oxiii: good question, sorry, I am still trying to work that out, sadly.
[20:44] <oxiii> ugh, thanks anyway :)
[20:44] <Sir_Captain> coma24: i'm there
[20:44] <coma24> oxiii: I know it's no help at all, but figured you'd like to know you'd been heard by someone :)
[20:44] <oxiii> yep, thank you hehe
[20:45] <coma24> sir_captain: I'm using 582MB of real mem right now (and another 900MB in buffers)
[20:45] <Sir_Captain> coma24: am i right in saying that Xorg would be the window manager?
[20:45] <oxiii> no
[20:45] <coma24> sir_captain: neg, oxiii is right.
[20:45] <oxiii> Xorg is a layer between a window manager and your video hardware, well, almost
[20:46] <coma24> sir_captin: the window manager is called KWIN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWin
[20:46] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: ok, i'm confused, but i'll take that one as a lookup
[20:46] <coma24> sir_captain: it's taking about 20MB on my machine.
[20:46] <CourtJesterG> !1kbd
[20:46] <danub_> hey all
[20:46] <CourtJesterG> !kbd
[20:47] <Sir_Captain> coma24: would it be the "memory" or the "shared memory" and what is the difference?
[20:47] <danub_> i need to know how to setup a static ip via the shell... anyone wanna help?
[20:47] <coma24> sir_captain: Xorg is the foundation on which the desktop runs.  From what I can tell, Kwin can chew up some cpu, but it's not particularly memory intensive
[20:47] <oxiii> Sir_Captain you could try xfce, icewm, and enlightenment, as well, besides gnome and kde
[20:47] <oxiii> and fluxbox
[20:48] <coma24> oxiii: it's only taking 20mb for me...a few more or less won't fix his prob.
[20:48] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: wow, thank you...do you have a preference over the others?
[20:48] <coma24> sir_captain: at the very bottom of the system monitor, it should say: xxx.xMiB/512MB
[20:48] <oxiii> im ok with kde, i use xfce in servers because its somewhat lightweight, and only use it from time to time
[20:48] <coma24> sir_captain: what's the number?
[20:49] <Sir_Captain> oxiii, coma24:  either way, kwin is using 5M of mem and 13M of shared mem
[20:49] <CourtJesterG> ok when some of these applications in adept say its a compneet from the offical kde4 release then why isn't it preinstalled and should i use it?
[20:49] <coma24> sir_captain: I'm trying to work out how much mem is being used in total on your box
[20:49] <oxiii> what's the problem exactly?
[20:49] <Sir_Captain> coma24: sorry, at the bottom is says 397.9/494.2
[20:49] <CourtJesterG> like in settings menu editor
[20:49] <coma24> courtjesterG: probably an optional component, but tiill vetted by the team?
[20:50] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: were you asking what my problem was or CourtJesterG?
[20:50] <coma24> sir_captain: and are you running any apps right now (firefox, terminal, etc) other than the irc client?
[20:50] <oxiii> yours
[20:50] <CourtJesterG> i mean thre is already a menu editor isn't there  weeird
[20:51] <oxiii> Sir_Captain what problem are you having?
[20:51] <Sir_Captain> coma24:  as far as i can tell, just firefox, konversation and system monitor.  (obviously also the wireless network program and such from bootup)
[20:51] <coma24> oxiii: he said slow loading of apps
[20:51] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: yes, that is correct
[20:51] <CourtJesterG> anybody know how to get the gull function of my logitech keyboard back such as when i hit caps it flashes on screen caps have been enable and other keyboard buttons logitech haad itouch program and such
[20:51] <coma24> oxiii: I'm trying to work out if he's memory-constrained or if it's also a cpu/vid issue.
[20:52] <CourtJesterG> full not gull
[20:52] <coma24> court: sorry, my keyboard is older than time itself. :)
[20:52] <Sir_Captain> even clicking on the "start" menu takes about a second for it to actually open, when it should happen almost instantly
[20:52] <CourtJesterG> yeah well kinda suchs since i don't have a green light showing when caps are enable sometimes or the flash on the screen
[20:52] <CourtJesterG> sucks
[20:53] <coma24> sir_captain: swap to the 'system load' tab in the system monitor
[20:53] <Sir_Captain> coma24: there
[20:53] <coma24> sir_captain: do nothing for a little while, where is the cpu load hovering (the higher blue number)
[20:53] <CourtJesterG> looking at settings keytouch in adept but dunno if that would work
[20:54] <Sir_Captain> coma24: looks to be around 20%
[20:55] <coma24> sir_captain: interesting. Any swap being used?
[20:56] <coma24> sir_captain: it's not clear if this is a mem, cpu, or vid issue.
[20:56] <Sir_Captain> coma24: 27M/1.4G
[20:56] <coma24> sir_captain: firefox takes a good chunk o' memory. You could try killing that, killing any apps that aren't needed and see if the response time is any better...
[20:57] <CourtJesterG> odd looking in settings has a system monitor says not installed but is very odd
[20:57] <coma24> if there is memory still available, and the machine feels slow in basic windowing operations, then my guess is it's not ram
[20:57] <coma24> oxiii: that sound right to you?
[20:57] <Sir_Captain> coma24: i have 107 processes running which sounds really high.  am i correct in that?
[20:57] <oxiii> no clue :S
[20:58] <CourtJesterG> !touchpad
[20:58] <oxiii> no, that's ok
[20:58] <oxiii> I got 133 right now
[20:58] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: ok
[20:58] <oxiii> it might just be the swap mem
[20:59] <oxiii> but im not sure
[20:59] <coma24> sir_captain: 145 procs here
[20:59] <coma24> sir_captain: I wouldn't let that part bug ya
[20:59] <oxiii> how much RAM you got?
[20:59] <coma24> oxiii: he has 512MB, I'm on 2GB
[20:59] <Sir_Captain> oxiii and coma24:  it's going to take a little bit.  i just killed plasma not realizing it would take my entire desktop
[20:59] <oxiii> i think thats the problem
[21:00] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: 512MB
[21:00] <coma24> sir_captain: I just wanna say "good luck, we're all counting on you"  (big Airplane fan)
[21:00] <oxiii> i believe thats too little mem for kde4
[21:00] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: from reading a little on the net, it seems like 1GB or more would be ideal
[21:00] <Sir_Captain> coma24: thanks!
[21:01] <oxiii> using swap mem is always slowwwww
[21:01] <coma24> sir_captain: I still think it's worth trying to kill unnecessary apps (sounds like you were trying that), including IRC...then try some basic window operations (move things around)
[21:01] <Sir_Captain> coma24: will do, thanks for the patience and help
[21:01] <coma24> sir_captain: one word of warning, the plasmoids (the desktop widget, for example) is slow as hell to move on my right
[21:01] <coma24> sir_captain: but everything else runs fast.
[21:01] <coma24> sir_captain: on my rig, I meant
[21:02] <oxiii> if your system requires it for trivial operations like the window manager... you should upgrade your RAM or either use a less resource hungry window manager
[21:02] <Sir_Captain> coma24: ok
[21:02] <Sir_Captain> oxiii: that's what i'm thinking i'll have to do
[21:02] <nowak_> hello :>
[21:02] <coma24> oxiii: if he has 100MB of chip ram still free, I'm thinking it itsn't the ram, but we'll see.
[21:02] <coma24> oxiii: he had about 100 free, and that was with firefox going.
[21:02] <Sir_Captain> i'll give the killing a try, but i'm not holding my breath...i'm thinking kde4 is just out of my comps league
[21:03] <coma24> sir_captain: what vid card are you using, btw?
[21:03] <oxiii> but if the system is using swap memory somethings wrong with that
[21:03] <coma24> sir_captain: if it's nvidia, you may need to make sure you're using the nvidia X server...that could help with vid performance quite a bit.
[21:03] <oxiii> yes
[21:03] <coma24> oxiii: if things are going in and out of swap, that's true, but we don't know if that's the case.
[21:04] <danub_> is it possible to change a systems ip address configuration via the commandline?
[21:04] <Sir_Captain> coma24: no it's not nvidia...i think it's ratheon, does that sound right?  i have a toshiba tecra a4.  i don't remember off hand
[21:04] <nowak_> Can i install copiz on kubuntu? Or there is other application? Any1 can help me? :>
[21:04] <coma24> oh it's a laptop. ATI Radeon
[21:04] <Sir_Captain> coma24: that's it
[21:05] <oxiii> yes danub_ , you can change your LAN ip. f.e.: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 up
[21:05] <Sir_Captain> oxiii and coma24:  sorry, didn't think to mention it's a laptop
[21:05] <coma24> sir_captain: I'm not sure if there's a dedicated X server for Radeon
[21:05] <danub_> it cant be that easy...
[21:05] <coma24> oxiii: it's worth turning off all windowing affects, btw...
[21:05] <oxiii> sure
[21:05] <coma24> oxiii: sorry I should've said that was for captain
[21:06] <oxiii> danub_ why?
[21:06] <nowak_> Can i install copiz on kubuntu? Or there is other application to 3d effects? Any1 can help me? :>
[21:06] <oxiii> i know coma24 :)
[21:06] <coma24> captain: you can turn off some of the pretty windowing affects (which might be taxing your video subsystem) under System Settings->Desktop
[21:06] <Sir_Captain> coma24: it's funny you're thinking it might be more video based, i have noticed that when it seems slow, i click again and often times multiple processes come up, but i suppose that's not completely indicative of video issues
[21:06] <araizen> hey everyone
[21:06] <danub_> SIOS+CSIFADDR: Invalid Argument
[21:06] <coma24> nowak: compiz?
[21:06] <nowak_> or sth like that
[21:06] <nowak_> for 3d effects in ubuntu
[21:07] <genii> nowak_: The current kde4 has many effects built in which can cause headaches if you also try using compiz on top. But it is still there to install if you want
[21:07] <danub_> SIOCSIFADDR: invalid argument
[21:07] <araizen> i keep setting my clock, and it keeps jumping forward by 2 hrs (then I set it back, then it jumps again, etc)
[21:07] <coma24> nowak: funny, I just came across a reference to it 5 mins ago looking at the kwin page
[21:07] <araizen> is there a way to get it to stay on the right time
[21:07] <araizen> my timezone is gmt +2, if that's the issue
[21:07] <coma24> nowak: type compiz in adept, but of stuff there
[21:07] <danub_> the command i typed was 'ifconfig 192.168.1.107 255.255.255.0 up
[21:07] <CourtJesterG> hey ok in others there is an application named help i got help but this says not installed same icon its the This package contains the GNOME online help browser application.
[21:07] <CourtJesterG> is it an add on?
[21:07] <Sir_Captain> coma24, oxiii:  i'll be back in a few...thanks for the help
[21:07] <CourtJesterG> gnome 2
[21:08] <oxiii> you missed the network interface you to configure danub_ , eth0, ath0.... whatever
[21:08] <danub_> but despite the error it looks like it changed the ip anyway
[21:08] <genii> nowak_: The package should be called something like compiz-kde        and you will probably want also compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:08] <oxiii> yw Sir_Captain
[21:08] <nowak_> Thx for help :*
[21:08] <coma24> sir_captain: hang in there
[21:08] <danub_> oops, the command i typed was 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 up'
[21:08] <coma24> oxii: have you tried compiz?
[21:08] <danub_> but it still changed the ip despite the error so ill ignore it for now :P
[21:08] <oxiii> yes...
[21:09] <coma24> oxiii: recommend checking it out?
[21:09] <nowak_> and can ya tell me how to do keyboard shortcuts?
[21:10] <coma24> nowak: system-settings>keybboard&mouse
[21:10] <danub_> nowak_: not easily... looks like in KDE4 khotkeys is broke
[21:10] <oxiii> uhm... its ok to show off... but I wouldn't use it on a daily basis
[21:10] <coma24> noawak: keyboard shortcuts
[21:10] <nowak_> thanks :*
[21:10] <oxiii> too resource-hungry
[21:10] <coma24> oxiii: so you just install the compiz kde package, any other compiz effects and then how do you enable it?
[21:10] <coma24> oxiii: or does it just start working right away?
[21:10] <danub_> coma24: it doesn't work for quite a few people
[21:10] <coma24> danub: fair enough
[21:11] <oxiii> well i really dont remember, i always did by following any howto and such haha
[21:11] <CourtJesterG> anybody know a firewall that is more like mcfree? so easy so simple no table
[21:11] <coma24> oxiii: I'm guessing the compiz configuration settings manager comes in handy :) I might give it a shot
[21:11] <CourtJesterG> it builds the table for  you and prompts
[21:11] <oxiii> i believe there's some kind of command or app you run and it starts working from there
[21:11] <danub_> coma24: did this yesterday i think. get the configcompiz-settings-manager package (i think thats what it was called)
[21:11] <danub_> and the compiz install
[21:11] <bfrog> I can't seem to install libxml2-dev with the backports installed
[21:12] <danub_> then you have to change the window manager
[21:12] <bfrog> and I need it to build kde4
[21:12] <danub_> system settings -> advanced -> window manager -> select compiz
[21:12] <coma24> danub: thx a lot
[21:12] <oxiii> bfrog i think i had the same problem but couldnt solve it, sorry
[21:12] <danub_> use the configcompiz settings manager thing to set your options, log out, log back in
[21:13] <nowak_> i cant do new shortcut in Keyboard&Mouse options. I want to do shortcut to console @windows key. Any1 know how to do it?
[21:13] <oxiii> well im a bit tired, nice to meet you, see you!
[21:13] <danub_> nowak_: u would use the khotkeys profile, but from what i have read, khotkeys is broke for people running kde 4,1
[21:13] <CourtJesterG> !amor
[21:13] <danub_> 4.1
[21:14] <padi> Hi all, what do I have t do to get my wireless with wpa running under kde 4.1.2? It seems a driver or knetworkmanager issue: my card is atheros AR5211. Best regards
[21:14] <danub_> lol
[21:14] <danub_> padi, good luck :P
[21:15] <danub_> do a google search for 'atheros AR5xxx ubuntu 8.10'
[21:15] <bfrog> any ideas what this is about? libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1) but 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[21:16] <padi> danub, I heard they went to knetwork 0.7 because 0.6 was not compatible but since Suse created the software and has another release cycle it happend that kubuntu took the buggy alpha version for it's shiny new intrepid.. very sad
[21:16] <danub_> you have to disable the current drivers being used, download and recompile some different drivers, change your modprode, check for blacklisted entries...
[21:17] <danub_> well i got the atheros AR2xxx card and it took me 3 different tutorials and a guy from this room to get it figured out
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> padi: If we hadn't taken the alpha version it would not have worked at all
[21:19] <CourtJesterG> notte amor has a new version than adept
[21:19] <CourtJesterG> http://www.gentoo-portage.com/kde-base/amor/Dep
[21:19] <CourtJesterG> oh for 64 bit
[21:19] <padi> JontheEchidna: I can understand, and I can also understand that you are probably working on it under high pressure at the moment. So I don't want to press it. I just want to know, if there was a possible alternative... I tried wpa_supplicant by hand, but got driver problems
[21:20] <CourtJesterG> no its for all lol
[21:20] <danub_> hold on padi, lemme see if i can dig u up the info
[21:20] <danub_> !wireless
[21:20] <danub_> theres some
[21:20] <padi> JontheEchidna: I tried this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros which worked sometimes, sometimes not.. very unstable results, not reproducible
[21:21] <danub_> padi, hold on ill find you the one that worked for me
[21:21] <danub_> if my FF ever loads...
[21:21] <padi> danub_: okay, thank you
[21:22] <danub_> what was the model num again?
[21:23] <padi> AR5211
[21:24] <danub_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=849845
[21:25] <danub_> have you seen that yet?
[21:26] <padi> danub_: no, haven't, but it seems like an unsolved thread.
[21:27] <danub_> i dont have the same card as you, but i ended up having to download a new driver and compile from source. still looking for the place i got it from
[21:28] <padi> danub_: you also got an 5xxx card? Yeah, I had some more or less stable results with the ath5k driver
[21:28] <padi> but more less than more
[21:29] <lyhana8> Hi, what do i need to convert from flac to ogg with KDE ?
[21:29] <niggmoo> FUN FACT: Niggers represent only 13% of the U.S. population, but are said to consume 45% of fried chicken from chicken fast food establishments (ie. KFC, Church's, Bojangles)
[21:29] <vlt_> Hello. I just installed Kubuntu 8.10 and need help connecting to my wifi router. The wireless PCI card is recognized as wifi0 and/or ath0. Where to enter ESSID and passphrase?
[21:31] <lyhana8> Vlt_: you should've knetworkmanager on the bottom panel.
[21:31] <sigma> niggmoo: watch your language
[21:31] <danub_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=964836&page=7
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> jpds, LjL, jussi01: around?
[21:32] <danub_> this isn't the exact article, but i remember these commands from last night
[21:32] <danub_> supposedly this fixes all the atheros driver problems
[21:32] <niggmoo> I went to a nigger funeral a few years ago...damn that list is accurate!!!
[21:32] <niggmoo> I had to go, the company we worked for made us go and it was an experience like no other...especially when the 3 sheboon sisters jumped on the casket and nearly dumped the body on the floor! Funny as hell!
[21:32] <niggmoo> One thing missing from the list> When the 'ushers' start dragging fainting niggers to pews to wake them up, THEY TAKE OFF THEIR SHOES AND WAVE IT UNDER THE NOSES TO WAKE THEM UP! I could NOT believe what I was seeing!
[21:32] <niggmoo> And yep, the 'preacher' cussed from the pulpit and insulted the white people there...said he would make the 'sermon' simple enough for white folks to understand...I flipped the bastard off in front of everyone, even my boss backed me on that one.
[21:33] <sigma> good stuff:)
[21:33] <danub_> wow... that happen alot here?
[21:33] <LjL> only when i'm playing globulation, apparently
[21:33] <sigma> nope
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> na, just a troll
[21:34] <sigma> Jon why did u stop blogging?
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> nothing really blog-worthy happening lately
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> there probably will be soon though ;-)
[21:35] <kpkeerthi> Does multimedia keys work for you in KDE4?
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> I only have volume keys, but yes, they work
[21:36] <CTShadow> kpkeerthi: Also for me they work on a Logitech keyboard
[21:36] <kpkeerthi> How do I set it up? This is on a dell xps m170 laptop. The keys works out of the box in GNOME. I recently switched over to KDE.
[21:37] <danub_> whats the command to force a reconfig of your ip? ifdown --force eth0?
[21:37] <vlt_> lyhana8: Ok, I opened it. "Edit connections" -> "New connection" -> "wireless" -> entered ESSID -> "WPA personal" -> entered shared key -> DHCP -> "connect & save".
[21:38] <vlt_> Ooh, he left ... :/
[21:39] <vlt_> Any idea why I can't connect to my wireless router?
[21:39] <danub_> isit hiding the sid?
[21:39] <sigma> ah i see, so few posts about whats going in kde4.2 svn, wish more devs would blog about it with screenshots. its looking great from what I have seen
[21:40] <vlt_> danub_: Yes, I entered it manually.
[21:40] <danub_> beats me then, i still haven't managed to get that to work
[21:41] <danub_> i hide my home network too. i had to unhide it, connect and save and then i could hide it after that
[21:41] <padi> Guys from kde: could you write on the kubuntu homepage, that intrepid has an unstable wireless network manager or at least that intrepid is "not quite there yet". Or else, newbies come here all day long with their first impression of linux = very bad..
[21:41] <DaSkreecH> padi: It's there already
[21:42] <danub_> padi: gotta look at the HAL
[21:42] <danub_> :)
[21:42] <padi> DaSkreecH: okay
[21:42] <vlt_> danub_: Ok, I'll try to talk to the router admin ... Thanks
[21:43] <danub_> but thats ok, if we sucker another 100 million into downloading and installing ubuntu, we would have a decent size market share and that would force things to work better :)
[21:44] <DaSkreecH> Force?
[21:44] <danub_> hmm... maybe force was a bad woord for that... more people would consider it a priority to make sure things work
[21:44] <sigma> padi: ive never used the network manager, way easier to just edit the text file (thats basically what network manager configures)
[21:45] <Tm_T> sigma: actually it does a lot more, but sometimes that's not needed
[21:45] <sourcemaker> I have a vmare problem: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_thread_gettime
[21:45] <sigma> Tm_T: yeah i know, just never seems to work for me, and its not even kde4 yet so more reason to remove it lol
[21:46] <sigma> on that note does anyone know when konversation is hitting a kde4 version?
[21:47] <sigma> i know its all over for k3b, ive lost hope of a beta ever coming out - saw some screenshots but after that just silence
[21:49] <DaSkreecH> sigma: He had a son have some faith :)
[21:49] <sigma> ah i didnt know that:) well that explains it, but surely theres more than one dev on a project as popular as that one
[21:52] <CTShadow> hi all, in kde 4.2, are there many improvements compared to kde 4.1? is it worth it to switch? If yes, how?
[21:53] <CTShadow> sorry, i mean kde 4.1.3 instead of 4.2
[21:53] <sigma> dont switch
[21:53] <sigma> its unstable so ul have plenty of breakages
[21:54] <lario> when I'm installing the 64bit flash, do I have to remove the nspluginwrapper files??
[21:54] <sigma> if you do you will have to download from svn, and even i dont know how to do that. wait for the betas because there will be kubuntu packages (hopefully)
[21:55] <DaSkreecH> CTShadow: From 4.1 I wouldn't see why you wouldn't want to update it's all bug fixes
[21:55] <sigma> oh yeah go to 4.1.3 its just a bugfix, if anything it will solve problems for you
[21:55] <DaSkreecH> CTShadow: In short ignore everything that sigma said :)
[21:56] <CTShadow> sigma: thank you, but as far as i can see also 4.1.2 is quite unstable
[21:56] <sigma> DaSkreecH: he's going to 4.1.3
[21:56] <sigma> CTShadow: how so?
[21:56] <DaSkreecH> sigma: That's why I said to ignore everyhting you said
[21:56] <DaSkreecH> You are talking about 4.2
[21:57] <DaSkreecH> CTShadow: What breaks?
[21:57] <CTShadow> DaSkreecH: konqueror for example often crashes
[21:57] <sigma> i think intrepid is super stable, think I had all but one crash in kontact since installing, and im using amarok 2 beta with no crashes
[21:57] <DaSkreecH> when?
[21:57] <sigma> konq is also way more stable, however i use firefox more because of facebook etc
[21:58] <CTShadow> DaSkreecH: sometimes there even are blank buttons or drop down menus are just blach
[21:58] <CTShadow> black
[21:58] <DaSkreecH> CTShadow: Woah
[21:59] <sigma> thats just cosmetic issues, by crash we mean the app closes without you doing anything
[21:59] <sigma> report a kde bug though so it can be fixed in 4.2
[21:59] <DaSkreecH> what video card are you using?
[22:00] <CTShadow> or just now, i pressed Alt-F12 and then the keyboard didn't work, i had to click the k-menu, then it worked again
[22:01] <DaSkreecH> Yeah that all sounds like kwin stuf
[22:01] <CTShadow> also this kind-of-dashboard didnt show up when pressing Alt-F12
[22:01] <DaSkreecH> Ctrl+F12
[22:01] <CTShadow> kind-of-dashboard = plasma right?
[22:01] <CTShadow> sorry i meant Ctrl-F12
[22:02] <alexmart> Hi guys, can somebody give me the menu.lst entry for a fresh install of kubuntu 8.10 ?
[22:03] <CTShadow> DaSkreecH: i am using a GeForce 7900 GT/GTO
[22:03] <CTShadow> DaSkreecH: nvidia driver version 177.80
[22:04] <DaSkreecH> update the driver I think there is a newer one came out tow days ago
[22:04] <byron_> lll
[22:04] <Guest11487> jk
[22:04] <sigma> well im on a 7600GT, no major issues here, some stuff a tad bit slow but nv's drivers are not that great at the moment for kde4, the 180 release should fix it
[22:05] <byron_> jajaja
[22:05] <Guest11487> gdsgsdg
[22:05] <CTShadow> DaSkreecH: k, thx, i ll try that, how should i do that?
[22:05] <DaSkreecH> !nvidia
[22:06] <sigma> byron_: are u ok
[22:06] <DaSkreecH> Or hit nvidia's site
[22:06] <sigma> Guest11487: whats up?
[22:08] <sigma> installing the nvidia drivers from source is really dodgy!
[22:13] <maxbaldwin> how do I upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04.1?
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> maxbaldwin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[22:14] <maxbaldwin> thanks, JontheEchidna
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> yw
[22:16] <alas> Kann mich jemand sehen
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> !de
[22:19] <alas> jo !de
[22:25] <Gelon> Hi there
[22:26] <maxbaldwin> Hello Gelon.
[22:26] <Gelon> i was wondering something
[22:26] <maxbaldwin> What could that be?
[22:26] <Gelon> are you able to view your linux partition (on which i want to install Kubuntu) from out Windows XP
[22:26] <Gelon> and copy/edit files on it
[22:27] <DaSkreecH> Gelon: In theory yes
[22:27] <Gelon> in theory....
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> Gelon: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> install that and the drives should integrate seamlessly
[22:30] <Gelon> and is it correct to acces XP drive from out Kubuntu (after installing some packages)?
[22:32] <DaSkreecH> Gelon: Should be able to do so out of the box
[22:32] <Gelon> great
[22:32] <Gelon> than i will start on reinstalling my complete system :p
[22:35] <Gelon> thnx
[22:46] <nico__> ghg
[23:14] <Dragonath> kde4 :(
[23:16] <lordofthepigs> Hello, how can i disable the system bell in KDE 3.5?
[23:23] <lordofthepigs> Any idea? This constant beeping in konsole is slowly driving me crazy...
[23:24] <strN00B> does Ubuntu understand NSTF file systems?
[23:24] <Sir_Captain> i was having problems with my computer being slow while using kwin as my window manager.  so i was trying a bunch of different kinds and came across e16 (kde).  it looks very simiar to kwin, but it seems to run much faster for me.  anybody know why?
[23:27] <maxbaldwin> !upgrade
[23:27] <Sir_Captain> maxbaldwin: is that directed towards me?
[23:28] <maxbaldwin> No. For me.
[23:28] <maxbaldwin> :)
[23:28] <Sir_Captain> maxbaldwin: rgr
[23:28] <lordofthepigs> strN00B: Yes, though the ntfs-3g project
[23:30] <strN00B> lordofthepigs: i dont want to execute anything on the NTFS, i just want it as a storage drive for files
[23:30] <strN00B> lordofthepigs, would i still need NTFS-3g?
[23:31] <lordofthepigs> Yeah, that's what I've been doing for a few months now, so I can share the files between Windows and kubuntu without troubles on all my dual boot machines.
[23:31] <lordofthepigs> strN00B: you don't need to do anything special, its in ubuntu by default since 7.10 IIRC
[23:31] <strN00B> Ok thanks!
[23:32] <lordofthepigs> you might need to edit your fstab to mount the NTFS partition at ubuntu startup though
[23:41] <sourcemaker__>  is there a tutorial for virtualbox host only?
[23:41] <sourcemaker__>  I am crashing for this fuc... install since 3 hours... damm
[23:42] <andi_> how can i extract anything with the program 7zip?
[23:42] <andi_> what have i to write in the terminal
[23:44] <jussi01> andi_: try: man 7zip
[23:45] <gmarzioz> sb live problem
[23:45] <andi_> yes i tried this, but I not very good in english, and I dind't understood it what to do.... I wrote "man 7z"...
[23:47] <gmarzioz> jack is not work whit aplay -Dhw:1 -c6 test.wav, only. -c2
[23:48] <gmarzioz> my disto is kubuntu 8.04 and my card is SB live! 5.1 surround card with 24 bit
[23:48] <gmarzioz> help
[23:48] <jussi01> andi_: what is your native language?
[23:48] <andi_> german
[23:48] <jussi01> !de
[23:48] <andi_> oh thx
[23:48] <jussi01> andi_: so join the german channel, they are quite active there :)
[23:50] <gmarzioz> ehi
[23:53] <DarkriftX> oh *@&$
[23:53] <DarkriftX> i jsut ran sudo rm *  in the wrong directory
[23:53] <DarkriftX> ~
[23:53] <woody86> is there a way to get rid of the residual config packages like you can in Gnome?
[23:53] <DarkriftX> good thign i left off the -R
[23:54] <gmarzioz> sb live problem
[23:54] <gmarzioz>  jack is not work whit aplay -Dhw:1 -c6 test.wav, only. -c2
[23:54] <gmarzioz> my disto is kubuntu 8.04 and my card is SB live! 5.1 surround card with 24 bit
[23:54] <gmarzioz>  help