| evand | superm1: your patches will be in there | 09:11 |
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| CIA-2 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r995 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu2 | 09:29 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: I just tried an alternate install and it failed :( | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | logs are at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/install | 11:34 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: yes, reported last night, already being fixed, thanks | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: bug 300426 | 11:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 300426 in udev "alt-install /dev fails to mount" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300426 | 11:36 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: Cool :) I'll try again sunday :) | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | should have fixed images in an hour or two | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | Oh cool you're going to reroll then :) | 11:40 |
| cjwatson | yes | 11:40 |
| cjwatson | under pressure to get alpha-1 done | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | if you give me a ping I'll dl it and test :) | 11:40 |
| cjwatson | will do | 11:42 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: What's happening about Live-fs? Is that being dropped for now or will that be fixed too? | 11:43 |
| cjwatson | not for a1 | 11:45 |
| davmor2 | Okay cool thought that might be the case but thought I'd better check :) | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | ubiquity isn't ready yet anyway | 11:50 |
| CIA-2 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r996 ubuntu/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 12:12 |
| CIA-2 | debian-installer: Require mouse-modules again on lpia and powerpc. rootskel-gtk depends on | 12:12 |
| CIA-2 | debian-installer: it anyway, so we might as well just fail to build until linux-lpia and | 12:12 |
| CIA-2 | debian-installer: linux-ports are updated. | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: up now | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | amd64 is fractionally oversized, but I'm not going to worry about it since the new mono will shave off a good chunk once it lands | 12:15 |
| davmor2 | np's thanks | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | I really wish my mirror would get on with it so that I could use jigdo rather than rsync for this | 12:23 |
| cjwatson | I mean, like I care about nvidia drivers | 12:23 |
| evand | It occurs to me that we never tested wubi on USB disks. | 12:52 |
| evand | ah, if I'm reading the NSIS code correctly, it looks like it would still work without issue. | 12:55 |
| evand | davmor2: xivulon Do you have a USB disk and some free time :) ? | 12:55 |
| davmor2 | I do but I want to test the cd's first I can look at usb later though | 12:56 |
| evand | ok, thanks | 12:57 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: one more issue i need to get your take on, regarding encrypting $HOME ... | 13:33 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i need a place to store $USER/.ecryptfs that I can ensure won't be encrypted | 13:33 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i have two ideas .... | 13:33 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: I want to avoid having /home/$USER and /home/.$USER, as it sounds like you didn't like that idea much | 13:34 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: that's okay, i've worked around it | 13:35 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: but, i do think I'll need to put $HOME/.ecryptfs somewhere | 13:35 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: and I'm thinking /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER | 13:35 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: that directory being perm'd 700, owned by $USER:$USER | 13:35 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees and jdstrand didn't like the idea of making /var/lib/ecryptfs itself be 777 | 13:36 |
| soren | kirkland: Yikes! No, I can understand that :) | 13:36 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: what do you think about me patching either useradd or adduser to create and chown /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER on user creation? | 13:36 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: just in the case where they want to encrypt all of $HOME | 13:37 |
| * soren has always dreamed that adduser some day would grow a plugin system for that sort of thing.. | 13:37 | |
| kirkland | cjwatson: and if they want to just encrypt $PRIVATE (or some other location less than $HOME), .ecryptfs stays in $HOME | 13:37 |
| kirkland | soren: "what" sort of thing? | 13:37 |
| soren | kirkland: Stuff that should happen on user creation. | 13:38 |
| soren | kirkland: ...that might not always be wanted. | 13:38 |
| soren | kirkland: People who don't want to use ecryptfs at all won't want this to happen. | 13:38 |
| kirkland | soren: sure | 13:38 |
| soren | Another use case is about adding users to samba then they're added to passwd as well. | 13:39 |
| persia | kirkland, Why special-case it? If you're going to use /var/lib/$USER, it makes sense to use that for any class of ecryptfs user. I don't have an opinion on whether it's a good idea, but I'd prefer consistency. | 13:39 |
| soren | (that's where I originally got the idea) | 13:39 |
| persia | Er.. /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER | 13:39 |
| kirkland | persia: current 'ecryptfs-setup-private' is something that any user can do, non-privileged | 13:40 |
| soren | Personally, I don't like having $HOME essentially split between /home and /var. | 13:40 |
| kirkland | persia: mkdir /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER would be a privileged operation | 13:40 |
| soren | For the same reason, I put my users' maildirs in their home directory. | 13:40 |
| kirkland | soren: i don't like it either | 13:40 |
| cjwatson | adduser already has a plugin system | 13:40 |
| kirkland | soren: but if a user chooses to encrypt all of $HOME | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | adduser.local or whatever it's called | 13:41 |
| soren | cjwatson: Oh. Is that a recent addition? | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | no | 13:41 |
| kirkland | soren: i need somewhere to put their configuration information that can be read prior to $HOME being mounted | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | I've been using it since at least 2001 or so | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | however, it's intended for use by the sysadmin not by the distro | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: I don't have a problem with patching adduser provided that we don't break in the event that the sysadmin used useradd | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | (as in, we degrade gracefully) | 13:42 |
| soren | cjwatson: Ah, that sort of thing. Truth be told, I didn't know about that, but I was thinkgin more along hte lines of a directory of scripts to be called by adduser. That way, packages could add scripts there that would be called. It's a bit hard to do that with the .local thing. | 13:42 |
| soren | Man, my typing is horrible today. | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: however it sounds like you and soren have some talking-out of this to do | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: I'm a bit too distracted by other things to think about it properly ... | 13:43 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: okay, no worries | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: also, you could put it in /home/$USER and then just overmount it; the trick would be dealing with syncing it back on umount | 13:43 |
| soren | kirkland: I only joined this discussion now... Why are we putting stuff in /var that we both think belongs in /home? :) | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: (or some similar kind of invention) | 13:44 |
| kirkland | soren: your .ecryptfs directory contains configuration data | 13:44 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: hmm, i've been trying various ways of doing that | 13:44 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: and they're breaking when a user, say, changes their password | 13:44 |
| * persia likes the overmount suggestion | 13:44 | |
| kirkland | cjwatson: which has to re-write .ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase | 13:44 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: which goes through the ecryptfs kernel encryption | 13:45 |
| cjwatson | understood | 13:45 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: and the next time the user logs in, it's not readable (yet) | 13:45 |
| kirkland | chicken -> meet egg | 13:45 |
| persia | kirkland, Maybe use a union mount to remount the .ecryptfs directory on top of the unencrypted $HOME ? | 13:45 |
| cjwatson | I don't particularly mind /home/.user. It's not very aesthetically pleasing but it would work | 13:45 |
| cjwatson | but /var is fine by me too | 13:45 |
| soren | I don't like the aesthetics of it either. | 13:46 |
| cjwatson | whatever, argue it among yourselves :-) | 13:46 |
| soren | Why make it a hidden directory? That just seems odd. | 13:46 |
| kirkland | persia: what's the syntax of a union mount? | 13:47 |
| kirkland | persia: i can go try that | 13:47 |
| soren | /home/$USER.ecrypts wouldn't look very pretty either, though. | 13:47 |
| * persia goes to refresh knowledge of the documentation. | 13:48 | |
| persia | Also, is this the right channel? Should this be -devel or -server or something? | 13:48 |
| kirkland | persia: we can move ... this conversation was originally intended to have an -installer flair and involve primarily cjwatson | 13:50 |
| kirkland | persia: -devel is fine | 13:50 |
| persia | kirkland, Right. The beginning seemed well targeted. "whatever, argue it among yourselves :-)" makes me think we should go elsewhere :) | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | well, I just wanted to say that I don't feel strongly about it from an installer POV | 13:51 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: thx. | 13:51 |
| kirkland | persia: agreed. | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | I think there's a useful discussion to be had on the placement, and don't want to prejudge that | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | the other possibility is a small set-id thing that creates /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | i.e. say that any user has the right to create a directory by their name there | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | think about how that interacts with quotas (hopefully not much) | 13:53 |
| cjwatson | but that doesn't seem a particularly unreasonable thing to do | 13:53 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: fix seems to be working so far, it got past where it was anyway :) | 14:09 |
| cjwatson | it's working for me | 14:34 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: Has it gone all the way through? | 14:47 |
| cjwatson | yes | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | freecell's up now :) | 14:48 |
| davmor2 | meh I might have hd issues then wipe and try again :) | 14:49 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: ping, have you had an opportunity to upload the netboot image for the kernel in -proposed? just checking with you in case I'm looking at the wrong place in the archive | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | no, not yet sorry | 15:20 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: no problem, I was worried for a moment that I might not be looking at the right place | 15:24 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: Something is not right here at all. I dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda the drive and now all I get is a flashing cursor top left :( | 15:28 |
| cr3 | davmor2: that's weird, shouldn't you get some error from the bios saying that the device is not bootable? | 15:30 |
| davmor2 | cr3: I reinstalled Jaunty sorry not very clear | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | cr3: I'll try to remember to explicitly tell you once it's in | 15:32 |
| CIA-2 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r997 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Make serial-modules optional on ia64; it's currently built-in. | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: hmm, I really don't know at this point - all I can say is it's working for me :( | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: that symptom sounds like the kernel isn't making it up | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | I'm not entirely convinced grub is I'm just checking it now | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: I'm trying it on my other test system incase it's an issue with hw I'll ping you in a bit and let you know | 15:41 |
| davmor2 | running in vm too just to tripple check | 15:42 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: hopefully, you won't have to remember for long, I'm spending my spare time automating detection of changes on archive.u.c | 15:47 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: by the way, thanks for the installer fix. I noticed some test results trickling in automatically for 20081121.1 | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | oh, no problem | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | I'm pushing a bzr branch up for intrepid-proposed, just taking a while | 16:04 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: definitely a weird ass thing going on here. On the other install I had already got kubuntu intrepid. After trying to install jaunty I now get Grub loading please wait Error 17 | 16:11 |
| davmor2 | So that is 2 sets of hw not working | 16:12 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: vm hanging too | 16:14 |
| davmor2 | and that is from the iso | 16:14 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: Cd burn and iso both match md5sums with the image md5sum | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | phone. | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | 17 : Cannot mount selected partition | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB. | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: what partitioning method did you use? were you starting from a blank disk? | 16:19 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: I am guessing that the grub is the old grub from the kubuntu install I'll check | 16:19 |
| davmor2 | whole disk | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | why would the grub be the old grub from the Kubuntu install? | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | the normal behaviour is for grub to be reinstalled, unless you overrode that manually | 16:21 |
| davmor2 | no I didn't override at all | 16:21 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: Does any of grub get installed to mbr? | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | yes | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | grub installs its first stage to the mbr | 16:24 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: I've pulled a copy of mbr using dd should it read gibberish? | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | gibberish to you ;-) | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | it should not be human-readable, if that's what you mean | 16:33 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: bin file yes | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: 'od -Ax -tx1 -N512 /dev/sda' please? | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | (somewhat easier to handle than dd) | 16:36 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: you around still sorry I had to go out I hadn't clocked the time | 19:33 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: When you get chance http://www.davmor2.co.uk/mymbr is the file created from od -Ax -tx1 -N512 /dev/sda | 19:38 |
| CarlFK | is there something like /etc/foo that has ibex/jaunty in it? | 19:53 |
| CarlFK | /etc/lsb-base/ | 19:54 |
| cjwatson | CarlFK: lsb_release -cs | 19:55 |
| CarlFK | thanks | 19:55 |
| CarlFK | in the installer: ~ # echo|sed 'aA\nB' | 20:02 |
| CarlFK | AnB | 20:02 |
| cjwatson | yes. that isn't portable. | 20:05 |
| cjwatson | -> POSIX | 20:05 |
| CarlFK | rats. so how do I get a \n? | 20:05 |
| cjwatson | echo | sed 'aA\ | 20:05 |
| cjwatson | B' | 20:05 |
| cjwatson | or something along those lines | 20:06 |
| cjwatson | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/sed.html | 20:06 |
| CarlFK | thaks - ill figure it out | 20:06 |
| CIA-2 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r760 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | 20:59 |
| CIA-2 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r761 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu2 | 21:03 |
| CIA-2 | base-installer: cjwatson * r338 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog library.sh): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | 21:06 |
| CIA-2 | base-installer: cjwatson * r339 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.86ubuntu8 | 21:07 |
| CIA-2 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r762 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog isinstallable): Nail another instance of dmraid output-checking. | 21:09 |
| CIA-2 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r763 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu3 | 21:10 |
| CIA-2 | os-prober: cjwatson * r224 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog os-prober): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | 21:11 |
| CIA-2 | os-prober: cjwatson * r225 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu2 | 21:12 |
| CIA-2 | partman-base: cjwatson * r116 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog lib/base.sh): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | 21:13 |
| CIA-2 | partman-base: cjwatson * r117 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 128ubuntu2 | 21:14 |
| CIA-2 | hw-detect: cjwatson * r96 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog discover-mac-io.sh): | 22:15 |
| CIA-2 | hw-detect: Reinstate snd-powermac for i2s-a devices since apparently the lock-up | 22:15 |
| CIA-2 | hw-detect: has been fixed (LP: #87652). | 22:15 |
| CIA-2 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r984 debian-installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-8 kernels. | 23:06 |
| cjwatson | (that was intrepid-proposed branch, silly cia) | 23:06 |
| CIA-2 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r985 intrepid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu24 | 23:09 |
| CIA-2 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r764 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog otheros.sh): Fix syntax error in otheros.sh. | 23:53 |
| CIA-2 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r765 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu4 | 23:54 |
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