[00:01] jmichaelx: run nm-applet [00:01] jmichaelx: it'll show up in the system tray [00:01] jmichaelx: if you've got one [00:04] if not... just right click on your panel... pick "add to panel" then search for "System Tray" [00:04] jmichaelx: add that to your panel... then you have a place for the network-manager-gnome icon to show up in [01:07] I'm looking for help with my sound. [01:08] anybody home? [01:09] !anyone [01:09] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [01:11] not looking for an English lesson! [01:12] !question [01:12] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [01:14] I'm not familiar with the protocol here. I will start over. [01:17] Is there anyone running 8.0 on an HP zv5000? I am having a problem with "no sound". I sometimes get static and nothing else. [01:52] hi [01:52] hello law__ [01:52] hello ball [01:52] i have some problem here [01:52] * ball is watching Mrs. ball courtesy of WiFi and a USB webcam [01:53] law__: what is your problem? [01:54] my xp pc can't ping to my xubuntu pc, but my xubuntu can ping to xp [01:54] Hmm... let me try that now [01:55] i have shared a folder in xubuntu and i want to access the shared folderd from xp [01:56] did you share it using Samba? [01:56] yup [01:56] What are the respective IP addresses of each machine? [01:57] xp-> 192.168.0.5 xubuntu->192.168.0.94 [01:57] subnet masks? [01:58] 255.255.255.0 [01:58] on a command line on the XP box, type "arp 192.168.0.94" [02:03] when i open \\192.168.0.94 from xp pc it says 192.168.0.94 network path was not found [02:05] law__: you'd need a share name too. [02:05] What did arp say? [02:06] hello zenrox [02:06] then i try to ping 192.168.0.94(xubuntu ip) from xp and it returns RTO [02:07] wtf is RTO ? [02:09] request time out [02:11] Oh, well that's sad. [02:12] is there any possibility that it is caused by xubuntu firewall ? [02:12] law__: not inconceivable, but iwfm [02:13] iwfm? [02:13] it works for me. [02:13] do u know where is to configure xubuntu firewall? [02:14] Give me a minute or two and I'll have a look. [02:14] ok [02:16] I don't know. I can't find it. [02:16] i just fresh install my xubuntu [02:17] so i think all conf is still in default conf [02:17] I can ping my ubuntu box [02:18] when i use ubuntu i can ping it to [02:18] but now i use xubuntu [02:18] I don't have a pure Xubuntu box yet, so ymmv [02:22] thx ball [02:22] anyone can help me to solve my problem? [02:23] I've been looking for a firewall-related command, but I'm not seeing it. [02:23] ball: on xubuntu [02:23] ? [02:24] I did not know it came with a firewall [02:24] Shaba1: yes, sort of. [02:24] Shaba1: I don't know. [02:26] i 'm not certain too it's caused by firewall [02:27] but it;s weird that i cant ping my xubuntu from xp [02:28] could u help me Shabal? [02:31] with what. [02:32] I am clueless in the linux world [02:32] that's ok Shabal [02:33] I can launch individual X clients, but don't have a convenient way of getting to the menu. [02:35] individual X clients? [02:35] sorry law__ [02:35] I am new to linux myself [02:35] very versed in the windows world [02:36] but I decided to plunge into linux a few months ago to make myself more employable [02:36] that's ok Shabal i'm still learning too [02:37] so what distro do u use Shabal? [02:37] xubuntu hardy 8.04 [02:37] although I am on the windows side of this computer right now [02:38] i'm using xubuntu 8.10 [02:39] lots of the web development programs only come in linux versions [02:39] i found that ubuntu more easy to use than xubuntu [02:39] or the newest versions are linux [02:39] the windows version lag behind [02:39] so I had to get some form of linux [02:39] but the gnome desktop not working so good in my laptop [02:40] so i move to xubuntu (xfce desktop) [02:40] yeah but ubuntu would not work on this ancient laptop [02:40] would not even install [02:40] If I had a very fast computer, I would probably still prefer Xubuntu [02:41] Oh I have a fast desktop machine [02:41] i'm agree ball [02:41] but I need to clear off disk space to make and effective linux partition [02:41] Hey! I can launch thunar [02:42] Hey! I can launch thunar. -> then? [02:42] Hi. What's the biggest difference between xubuntu and the other ubuntu distros? [02:42] the desktop manager colton [02:43] colton_: Xubuntu is mercifully free of KDE and Gnome [02:45] law__: thunar also just spawned totem. [02:46] what is a desktop manager? [02:46] spawned totem ? what it means ball [02:46] I want a desktop which is good for programming. Does that make sense? what would that be. [02:48] law__: I double-clicked on an MP3 file and thunar started totem, opening it on my display (even though I'm sitting in another room) [02:48] i think all desktop is good for programming [02:49] i got it now ball :) [02:50] law__: Old programmers like me are more comfortable at the command line. [02:50] We can use the GUI if it's there, but we don't depend on it. [02:50] ...and we're able to do some things faster from a $ prompt [02:51] so what programming language u use ball? [02:51] law__: this year I'm mostly paid to code in php and IBM DB2 [02:51] ya i agree ->we're able to do some things faster from a $ prompt [02:51] i;m using db2 too [02:51] version 8.12 [02:52] I haven't tried it on Linux yet. [02:52] ya i used it on winxp [02:53] not on linux yet [02:53] I don't have a Windows box [02:53] My wife does. [02:53] so what os do u use to run db2 ball? [02:54] We have it on (well, /in/ ) IBM i5/OS [02:54] db2? [02:54] Shaba1: it's a database engine from IBM [02:55] I need to go and wash some dishes. [02:55] i want to go to my client place too [02:55] so bye for now [02:55] How can you edit programs effectively without a gui to help you out? [02:56] colton_: I use joe [02:56] (a text editor) === ball is now known as ball_ [02:56] Is there stuff which is slower from a $ prompt? === doris is now known as ball [02:57] joe? [02:57] colton_: yes and there are also things that aren't practical from the command line [02:57] hmm. brb [03:05] soren! [03:05] I haven't seen you for years! [03:06] Okay, I'm off to wash some dishes anyway. [03:06] bye all. === doris is now known as ball [03:08] What is the cli command to suspend a Xubuntu box? [03:09] What sorts of things are made much easier by an IDE vs a terminal? [03:09] colton_ a good ide helps with debugging, but stays out of your way otherwise. [03:10] e.g. when there's a bug, the IDE drops you in the source right where it happened. [03:10] ...but come to think of it, the IDEs I used most /were/ terminal (text-based) programs [03:11] you can do the same things with a terminal and a good text editor [03:11] the IDE is useful for if you don't know the code in my opinion [03:11] after that, they almost always get in the way [03:12] A good IDE can be useful even if you do know the code, but good IDEs are few-and-far-between in my experience. [03:12] Kiption's right about them getting in the way. [03:12] So. A really good programmer should be able to work with a console and text editor as well if not better than with an IDE? [03:12] I can't use Zend Studio at work because it gets in the way too much [03:12] colton_: probably, yes. [03:13] so a programmer that really knows the application he's working on is probably better with a terminal and a text editor [03:13] the quality of the programmer really doesn't have anything to do with it [03:13] brb, trying suspend and wake-on-lan [03:13] i personally use both, but if I'm fixing something simple I just use gVim and a terminal [03:13] if I have to spend more than an hour or so in and I'm writing something new [03:14] an IDE is more useful [03:14] depends on how many notes you want to make while you're writing really [03:14] what IDE(s) do you use? === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [06:21] hi [06:21] anyone online [06:22] nope. [06:22] hi ball [06:23] i'm not either [06:23] hi jmichaelx [06:23] !hi | law1 [06:23] law1: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [06:24] hi ubottu [06:24] !hi | 5 [06:24] 5: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [06:26] why this room so silent? [06:26] we're meditating [06:26] i haven't solved my problem yet [06:27] !ripper [06:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about ripper [06:27] !rip mp3 [06:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about rip mp3 [06:27] how do i rip a cd to mp3 [06:28] in 8.10 [06:28] cdparanoia [06:28] ...then bladeenc [06:28] that's what I would do anyway. [06:30] deathtome use grip [06:30] I have to go [06:32] thanks for your help [06:33] anybody knows why i can't access my xubuntu shared folder from my winxp pc? [06:34] when i run \\192.168.0.94(my xubuntu ip) from win xp it says no network path was found [06:36] i can ping winxp pc from xubuntu pc but can't ping xubuntu pc from winxp pc [06:37] anybody can help me? [07:52] is there a way to type in spaces to a file path in terminal [08:13] R1cochet: "\ " [09:57] is there a way to create a user interface theme? === R1coch3t is now known as R1cochet [10:36] :) [11:39] hi [11:39] since the upgrade to 8.10 I have random crashes of x.org [12:33] hi there, after i upgrade my kernel i lost wireless driver [12:34] does anyone know how to fix this problem? [12:37] what wireless chipset are you using? [12:48] evidently he'd figured it out [13:09] hello [13:09] is there a good organizer for xubuntu? [13:14] what kind of organiser do you mean? [13:15] a PIM app like outlook or a project management program? [13:15] a todo list manager [13:15] yeah, theres a couple. linux format did a good group review on list managers/GTD software recently, I'll just find the link [13:18] damn, it's only available to subscribers [13:18] jonnyboy27: ok [13:18] i've used tracks in teh past - quite nice [13:19] jonnyboy27: i noticed xfce4-notes plugin. it's enough. thanks [13:19] no worries [13:20] bye :) === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [14:38] back with sound problems: sound keeps cutting out during playback, when I log into a gnome session it works fine (same hardware software and files being played) [14:41] bad-wire, you have this issue with a live cd? [14:41] nope with a recent install, all updates done [14:41] btw: spoke with you yesterday as sinbox vidd [14:42] so the live cd works fine? or have you not tested? [14:42] Hello folks [14:42] i want to rule out setting conflicts [14:42] hello sniperlt [14:43] Hey on window I can right click any web page and choose 'create shortcut' from the popup window. Is there a way to do that in firefox [14:44] lets find out sniperlt [14:44] sniperlt, click and drag the tab out of FF onto your desktop [14:45] vidd: ok and thanks again for the help yesterday [14:45] np [14:45] bad-wire, sorry...im not really sure what may be causing your sound issue except possibly a software conflict.... [14:46] yep that did it vid [14:46] xfce and gnome use all the same back-ends for sound [14:46] (at least...as far as I know) [14:46] what I specifically meant to thank you for is not being a sarcastic ass when you helped like so many people are on here. [14:47] sniperlt, if you want...i can be sarcastic......i LIKE being sarcastic.... =] [14:47] and sometimes I am sarcastic if someone gets under my skin [14:47] oh please no [14:47] I get enought of that on freenode already [14:48] but usuially, i just stop helping [14:48] And we wonder why people call us geeks [14:49] vidd: what is the little white circle for at the top left of most xubuntu windows for [14:49] ???? [14:49] i think its for "shadow" [14:50] what is shadow? [14:50] hides all but the title bar [14:50] very useful for those that dont use panels [14:50] ****shade****not shadow....sorry [14:51] I just clicked it in this kvirc window and it did nothing [14:51] OH!.....i see the circle now..... [14:51] that pins the app on all desktops [14:51] i haven't tried with live cd yet vidd I'll do that and report back [14:52] the little "up arrow" on the right side does the shade [14:52] * vidd has issues with "left" and "right" [14:53] * vidd needed to keep a small rock in his left pocket during his military days =] [14:53] ah i see now [14:53] ok [14:53] now i got a full kvirc window [14:54] and cannot figure out how to resize it [14:54] do you see the 4 squares in the upper right? [14:55] "arrow" "underscore" "[dunno what is here for you]" "X"? [14:55] yepper [14:56] I do not have it maximized [14:56] is the [dunno...] one square or two? [14:56] it has two squares [14:56] but it is still full screen [14:56] ah...then it is maximized [14:56] and will nto resize [14:57] single square is "not maximized" [14:57] the icon tells you what WILL happen [14:57] ok I changed that but still no sizing handles [14:57] move your cursor to the bottom right corner.... [14:58] or....grab the title bar and drag down and right..... [14:58] the upper left and the bottom right are usually the best "resize" locations [14:59] ok got it [14:59] thanks again [14:59] * vidd needs to start charging =] [14:59] j/k [15:01] sniperlt, i guess the reason i dont come accross as sarcastic is because i do this kind of tech support for work (as well as phone and email) [15:02] is there a keyboard shortcut to start a terminal or do you have to set one yourself? [15:02] bad-wire, that depends.... [15:03] the [ctl]+[alt]+[f-] keys count? [15:03] * bad-wire thinks vidd is masochist [15:03] ;) [15:03] they are tty's [15:03] which [f.] key would that be? [15:03] f1-f6 [15:04] if that counts....then yeah.... [15:04] I was actually thinking of a terminal window on the desktop rather than full terminal mode, and btw how do you get out of the tty back to desktop? [15:04] if it dont, then no...you have to build your own [15:05] * bad-wire grabs his toolbox [15:05] [ctrl]+[alt]+[f7} [15:05] thanks :) [15:05] anyone here happens to use liveice? [15:06] * vidd has never heard of it....would that be a "no" or "only if it's a secret part of something else"? [15:06] =] [15:07] sniperlt, that little bit of sarcasim is dedicated to you! =] [15:07] hehe [15:07] si9nce you miss it so much! [15:08] bad-wire, do you not have a panel launcher for terminal? [15:08] it's part of the icecast package (I think) for streaming mp3 (the chaps in the icecast channel are not very found of mp3 streaming anf helping with it) [15:09] bad-wire - i'd second using a panel button for [insert terminal emulator of choice here] [15:09] I guess I could add a panel launcher but it's for those times I'm on keyboard-at-full speed mode [15:09] * vidd has the terminal added to his menu so he only needs to [alt]+[esc] and [down arrow] twice to get terminal [15:10] i'm not sure whether you can assign a kb shortcut to a launcher in xfce. iirc you can in gnome, but alas i'm on my work xp machine atm so no way of trying [15:10] does [alt]+[esc] bring out the menu? [15:10] * vidd recommends assigning that task to the evil "cap-lock" button [15:11] bad-wire, yes it does [15:11] cap-lock is a useful moron hunting tool methinks [15:11] aah, in keyboard preferences you can assign keyboard shortcuts to any command you like [15:12] 95% of my support calls are caused by that cap's lock key [15:12] hmmm, doesn't bring the menu down for me :'( [15:12] are the other 5% to do with the computer not being plugged in? [15:12] its ctrl...not alt....sorry [15:13] most of our sales team enter everything in FULL CAPS and so never turn caps off. meaning all my support emails are SHOUTED AT ME!!! [15:13] OK that works :) [15:13] * vidd is off for his 15 minute smoke break [15:13] ah well, that's sales staff for you ;-) [15:14] uh-huh. [15:14] * jonnyboy27 notices #xubuntu slowly turning into an ASR-esque bitch-fest [15:14] :P [15:17] this sound problem is really weird, but it seems to be slowly getting les and less worse, baffling to say the least === knome_ is now known as knome [15:23] * vidd is BACK [15:23] \0. knome [15:29] @bad-wire - it certainly does sound (no pun intended) odd [15:30] is it crackling or intermittently cutting out? [15:30] with all sound sources? do you get it with alsa/oss/pulse? [15:31] yes, most weird, I find Xubuntu not the easiest for sound configuration, it was also weird when I installed it on my laptop [15:31] luckily I was saved there by the HDD dying very soon after :/ [15:31] it intermittently cuts out and goes "scritch scritch" [15:32] "saved ... by the HDD dying"???? [15:32] so strange to hear [15:32] what ever became of that lappy? [15:32] only using the xcfe-mixer I haven't played with the rest yet, and this seems to be using the alsa backend and driver [15:32] so the "scritch scritch" isn't the heads bouncing off the platters then? :P [15:33] I put the old win2k HDD back in it until I get my hands on another 2'5 HDD [15:33] those things are starting to get scarce [15:34] all you see these days are sata's [15:34] wouldn't be the heads as I'm reading the tracks of a CD, just to be sure if I log into a gnome session it actually works without a hitch [15:34] being a cheapskate I think I'm at least a year away of SATA drives [15:47] bye for now === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [16:04] lo tuna [16:05] hi [16:30] hello [16:31] hello fr4nk [16:31] where i can find the log of the boot procedure?? the file var/log/boot is empty..... oO [16:36] fr4nk, did you open it with root permissions? [16:38] hrm...nvmd [16:38] fr4nk, i think it is dmesg you want to look at [16:40] root doesn't work too: "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" ;) === sniperlt is now known as Shaba1 [16:44] brb [16:46] Ok brb everyone time to swith over to familiar old windows xp [16:53] wb fr4nk [16:53] as i said b4....check dmesg ... not boot [16:54] jeah, but i missing a message, because my startscript doesn't work fine...so i tried to used an absolute path..seems to work now.... [16:55] i have a problem with the taskbars.....standard installation uses a clock in the upper taskbar, this one i deleted and added the orage-clock to the bottom taskbar..... [16:56] but sometimes, i have 2 clocks [16:56] one in the upper one in the bottom taskbar [16:56] sometimes both in the bottom taskbar [16:57] sometimes it doesn't save my configuration i have the feeling....dunno [16:59] <-- afk [17:00] fr4nk, nvmd then...let me know when your back [17:10] Hi I have a problem with my Xubuntu installation and I wondered if anybody could help please? [17:11] ashdjones, can you be slightly more specific? [17:12] yes [17:12] !ask [17:12] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [17:13] Okay sorry. I installed using the 'install inside windows' option and it's been working fine for the last few days, but not it won't boot up. I shut it down correctly but it claims there is a problem with the filesystem and that I should go into Windows and do 'chkdsk /r'. [17:14] ashdjones, did you upgrade the kernel in it? [17:14] Not as far as I know, I haven't applied any updates manually. [17:15] did you do the chkdsk /r in windows? [17:15] Yes but windows claim the device volume is in use. [17:15] ic [17:16] how much of its alloted space is used up? [17:17] Well i'm in Windows now so I can only check the folder size (one moment) 4.27 gb [17:17] Which I think is more than I alloted it. [17:17] vidd i'm back ;) [17:18] ashdjones, if you only alloted 4gb, then uninstall it via control panel, and re-install it [17:18] Okay. Is there no other way to fix it? [17:18] fr4nk, open up your ~./config/xfce4/panel folder [17:19] ashdjones, not that I know of...i dont think you can live-boot and access the wubi drive..... [17:20] besides, if you only allocated 4gb of hd space for the wubi, you need to format it and rebuild it anyway....otherwise it will fail in a few days again anyway [17:20] vidd and now? [17:20] Okay well thanks for your help, it have been sensible if the installation had warned me before this happened. [17:20] I guess I should allot it more space? [17:21] ashdjones, yeah... i allocate 6gb just for system files [17:22] ashdjones, i cant say for certain this is the cause of your issue..... [17:22] but its wubi...not a seperate partition [17:22] so i dont know how to get into it [17:22] (from windows) [17:22] fr4nk, open your file manager [17:22] go to your home directory [17:23] click the "show hidden" in the view menu [17:23] Vidd: Okay. Are there no tools for managing a wubi file system from Windows? [17:23] open up .config [17:23] yes i did, i am in the folder now [17:24] ashdjones, if there are, i dont know them....windows is an evil beast that has no buisness on any of my systems =] [17:24] A puritan I see ;) [17:24] fr4nk, pastebin me the contents of the panels.xml file [17:24] [17:24] [17:24] [17:24] [17:24] [17:24] [17:24] [17:24] ashdjones, no...just see no point in having virus magnets on my network [17:24] [17:24] [17:25] [17:25] HEY!!!!!!! [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] vidd: Yes, well I can agree with you on that. [17:25] [17:25] [17:25] someone boot fr4nk [17:25] [17:26] [17:26] [17:26] [17:26] [17:26] [17:26] [17:26] [17:26] [17:26] oO [17:26] xD [17:26] sry [17:26] someone boot? [17:26] fr4nk, did you NOT READ what i said??????? [17:26] !pastebin |fr [17:26] fr: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [17:26] !pastebin | fr4nk [17:26] fr4nk: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [17:27] yes i am working on that, w8 a minute [17:27] fr4nk, you almost flooded my out of the channel [17:27] have problems....dunno cant paste into the text field...oO [17:28] Okay thanks for your help vidd it was appreciated. [17:29] omg, "PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed" --> used Syntax: XML [17:29] what i am doing wrong? [17:30] you probably didnt bother to open it in a text editor like mousepad [17:31] remove the top 2 lines.... [17:31] y i did, i paste the content into the text field and clicked "Paste!" [17:31] the http://paste.ubuntu.com/75311/ [17:31] omg [17:31]