[00:01] <neozen> jmichaelx: run nm-applet
[00:01] <neozen> jmichaelx: it'll show up in the system tray
[00:01] <neozen> jmichaelx: if you've got one
[00:04] <neozen> if not... just right click on your panel... pick "add to panel" then search for "System Tray"
[00:04] <neozen> jmichaelx: add that to your panel... then you have a place for the network-manager-gnome icon to show up in
[01:07] <keith> I'm looking for help with my sound.
[01:08] <keith> anybody home?
[01:09] <zoredache> !anyone
[01:11] <keith> not looking for an English lesson!
[01:12] <zoredache> !question
[01:14] <keith> I'm not familiar with the protocol here. I will start over.
[01:17] <keith> Is there anyone running 8.0 on an HP zv5000? I am having a problem with "no sound". I sometimes get static and nothing else.
[01:52] <law__> hi
[01:52] <ball> hello law__
[01:52] <law__> hello ball
[01:52] <law__> i have some problem here
[01:52]  * ball is watching Mrs. ball courtesy of WiFi and a USB webcam
[01:53] <ball> law__: what is your problem?
[01:54] <law__> my xp pc can't ping to my xubuntu pc, but my xubuntu can ping to xp
[01:54] <ball> Hmm... let me try that now
[01:55] <law__> i have shared a folder in xubuntu and i want to access the shared folderd from xp
[01:56] <ball> did you share it using Samba?
[01:56] <law__> yup
[01:56] <ball> What are the respective IP addresses of each machine?
[01:57] <law__> xp-> 192.168.0.5 xubuntu->192.168.0.94
[01:57] <ball> subnet masks?
[01:58] <law__> 255.255.255.0
[01:58] <ball> on a command line on the XP box, type "arp 192.168.0.94"
[02:03] <law__> when i open \\192.168.0.94 from xp pc it says 192.168.0.94 network path was not found
[02:05] <ball> law__: you'd need a share name too.
[02:05] <ball> What did arp say?
[02:06] <ball> hello zenrox
[02:06] <law__> then i try to ping 192.168.0.94(xubuntu ip) from xp and it returns RTO
[02:07] <ball> wtf is RTO ?
[02:09] <law__> request time out
[02:11] <ball> Oh, well that's sad.
[02:12] <law__> is there any possibility that it is caused by xubuntu firewall ?
[02:12] <ball> law__: not inconceivable, but iwfm
[02:13] <law__> iwfm?
[02:13] <ball> it works for me.
[02:13] <law__> do u know where is to configure xubuntu firewall?
[02:14] <ball> Give me a minute or two and I'll have a look.
[02:14] <law__> ok
[02:16] <ball> I don't know.  I can't find it.
[02:16] <law__> i just fresh install my xubuntu
[02:17] <law__> so i think all conf is still in default conf
[02:17] <ball> I can ping my ubuntu box
[02:18] <law__> when i use ubuntu i can ping it to
[02:18] <law__> but now i use xubuntu
[02:18] <ball> I don't have a pure Xubuntu box yet, so ymmv
[02:22] <law__> thx ball
[02:22] <law__> anyone can help me to solve my problem?
[02:23] <ball> I've been looking for a firewall-related command, but I'm not seeing it.
[02:23] <Shaba1> ball: on xubuntu
[02:23] <Shaba1> ?
[02:24] <Shaba1> I did not know it came with a firewall
[02:24] <ball> Shaba1: yes, sort of.
[02:24] <ball> Shaba1: I don't know.
[02:26] <law__> i 'm not certain too it's caused by firewall
[02:27] <law__> but it;s weird that i cant ping my xubuntu from xp
[02:28] <law__> could u help me Shabal?
[02:31] <Shaba1> with what.
[02:32] <Shaba1> I am clueless in the linux world
[02:32] <law__> that's ok Shabal
[02:33] <ball> I can launch individual X clients, but don't have a convenient way of getting to the menu.
[02:35] <law__> individual X clients?
[02:35] <Shaba1> sorry law__
[02:35] <Shaba1> I am new to linux myself
[02:35] <Shaba1> very versed in the windows world
[02:36] <Shaba1> but I decided to plunge into linux a few months ago to make myself more employable
[02:36] <law__> that's ok Shabal i'm still learning too
[02:37] <law__> so what distro do u use Shabal?
[02:37] <Shaba1> xubuntu hardy 8.04
[02:37] <Shaba1> although I am on the windows side of this computer right now
[02:38] <law__> i'm using xubuntu 8.10
[02:39] <Shaba1> lots of the web development programs only come in linux versions
[02:39] <law__> i found that ubuntu more easy to use than xubuntu
[02:39] <Shaba1> or the newest versions are linux
[02:39] <Shaba1> the windows version lag behind
[02:39] <Shaba1> so I had to get some form of linux
[02:39] <law__> but the gnome desktop not working so good in my laptop
[02:40] <law__> so i move to xubuntu (xfce desktop)
[02:40] <Shaba1> yeah but ubuntu would not work on this ancient laptop
[02:40] <Shaba1> would not even install
[02:40] <ball> If I had a very fast computer, I would probably still prefer Xubuntu
[02:41] <Shaba1> Oh I have a fast desktop machine
[02:41] <law__> i'm agree ball
[02:41] <Shaba1> but I need to clear off disk space to make and effective linux partition
[02:41] <ball> Hey!  I can launch thunar
 Hey!  I can launch thunar. -> then?
[02:42] <colton_> Hi. What's the biggest difference between xubuntu and the other ubuntu distros?
[02:42] <law__> the desktop manager colton
[02:43] <ball> colton_: Xubuntu is mercifully free of KDE and Gnome
[02:45] <ball> law__: thunar also just spawned totem.
[02:46] <colton_> what is a desktop manager?
[02:46] <law__> spawned totem ? what it means ball
[02:46] <colton_> I want a desktop which is good for programming. Does that make sense? what would that be.
[02:48] <ball> law__: I double-clicked on an MP3 file and thunar started totem, opening it on my display (even though I'm sitting in another room)
[02:48] <law__> i think all desktop is good for programming
[02:49] <law__> i got it now ball :)
[02:50] <ball> law__: Old programmers like me are more comfortable at the command line.
[02:50] <ball> We can use the GUI if it's there, but we don't depend on it.
[02:50] <ball> ...and we're able to do some things faster from a $ prompt
[02:51] <law__> so what programming language u use ball?
[02:51] <ball> law__: this year I'm mostly paid to code in php and IBM DB2
[02:51] <law__> ya i agree ->we're able to do some things faster from a $ prompt
[02:51] <law__> i;m using db2 too
[02:51] <law__> version 8.12
[02:52] <ball> I haven't tried it on Linux yet.
[02:52] <law__> ya i used it on winxp
[02:53] <law__> not on linux yet
[02:53] <ball> I don't have a Windows box
[02:53] <ball> My wife does.
[02:53] <law__> so what os do u use to run db2 ball?
[02:54] <ball> We have it on (well, /in/ ) IBM i5/OS
[02:54] <Shaba1> db2?
[02:54] <ball> Shaba1: it's a database engine from IBM
[02:55] <ball> I need to go and wash some dishes.
[02:55] <law__> i want to go to my client place too
[02:55] <law__> so bye for now
[02:55] <colton_> How can you edit programs effectively without a gui to help you out?
[02:56] <ball> colton_: I use joe
[02:56] <ball> (a text editor)
[02:56] <colton_> Is there stuff which is slower from a $ prompt?
[02:57] <colton_> joe?
[02:57] <ball_> colton_: yes and there are also things that aren't practical from the command line
[02:57] <colton_> hmm. brb
[03:05] <ball> soren!
[03:05] <ball> I haven't seen you for years!
[03:06] <ball> Okay, I'm off to wash some dishes anyway.
[03:06] <ball> bye all.
[03:08] <ball> What is the cli command to suspend a Xubuntu box?
[03:09] <colton_> What sorts of things are made much easier by an IDE vs a terminal?
[03:09] <ball> colton_ a good ide helps with debugging, but stays out of your way otherwise.
[03:10] <ball> e.g. when there's a bug, the IDE drops you in the source right where it happened.
[03:10] <ball> ...but come to think of it, the IDEs I used most /were/ terminal (text-based) programs
[03:11] <Kiption> you can do the same things with a terminal and a good text editor
[03:11] <Kiption> the IDE is useful for if you don't know the code in my opinion
[03:11] <Kiption> after that, they almost always get in the way
[03:12] <ball> A good IDE can be useful even if you do know the code, but good IDEs are few-and-far-between in my experience.
[03:12] <ball> Kiption's right about them getting in the way.
[03:12] <colton_> So. A really good programmer should be able to work with a console and text editor as well if not better than with an IDE?
[03:12] <ball> I can't use Zend Studio at work because it gets in the way too much
[03:12] <ball> colton_: probably, yes.
[03:13] <Kiption> so a programmer that really knows the application he's working on is probably better with a terminal and a text editor
[03:13] <Kiption> the quality of the programmer really doesn't have anything to do with it
[03:13] <ball> brb, trying suspend and wake-on-lan
[03:13] <Kiption> i personally use both, but if I'm fixing something simple I just use gVim and a terminal
[03:13] <Kiption> if I have to spend more than an hour or so in  and I'm writing something new
[03:14] <Kiption> an IDE is more useful
[03:14] <Kiption> depends on how many notes you want to make while you're writing really
[03:14] <colton_> what IDE(s) do you use?
[06:21] <law1> hi
[06:21] <law1> anyone online
[06:22] <ball> nope.
[06:22] <law1> hi ball
[06:23] <jmichaelx> i'm not either
[06:23] <law1> hi jmichaelx
[06:23] <jmichaelx> !hi | law1
[06:24] <law1> hi ubottu
[06:24] <ball> !hi | 5
[06:26] <law1> why this room so silent?
[06:26] <jmichaelx> we're meditating
[06:26] <law1> i haven't solved my problem yet
[06:27] <deathtome> !ripper
[06:27] <deathtome> !rip mp3
[06:27] <deathtome> how do i rip a cd to mp3
[06:28] <deathtome> in 8.10
[06:28] <ball> cdparanoia
[06:28] <ball> ...then bladeenc
[06:28] <ball> that's what I would do anyway.
[06:30] <law1> deathtome use grip
[06:30] <ball> I have to go
[06:32] <deathtome> thanks for your help
[06:33] <law1> anybody knows why i can't access my xubuntu shared folder from my winxp pc?
[06:34] <law1> when i run \\192.168.0.94(my xubuntu ip) from win xp it says no network path was found
[06:36] <law1> i can ping winxp pc from xubuntu pc but can't ping xubuntu pc from winxp pc
[06:37] <law1> anybody can help me?
[07:52] <R1cochet> is there a way to type in spaces to a file path in terminal
[08:13] <atari> R1cochet: "\ "
[09:57] <R1coch3t> is there a way to create a user interface theme?
[10:36] <R1cochet> :)
[11:39] <whyking__> hi
[11:39] <whyking__> since the upgrade to 8.10 I have random crashes of x.org
[12:33] <iuri> hi there, after i upgrade my kernel i lost wireless driver
[12:34] <iuri> does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[12:37] <jonnyboy27> what wireless chipset are you using?
[12:48] <jonnyboy27> evidently he'd figured it out
[13:09] <Ben_Cs> hello
[13:09] <Ben_Cs> is there a good organizer for xubuntu?
[13:14] <jonnyboy27> what kind of organiser do you mean?
[13:15] <jonnyboy27> a PIM app like outlook or a project management program?
[13:15] <Ben_Cs> a todo list manager
[13:15] <jonnyboy27> yeah, theres a couple. linux format did a good group review on list managers/GTD software recently, I'll just find the link
[13:18] <jonnyboy27> damn, it's only available to subscribers
[13:18] <Ben_Cs> jonnyboy27: ok
[13:18] <jonnyboy27> i've used tracks in teh past - quite nice
[13:19] <Ben_Cs> jonnyboy27: i noticed xfce4-notes plugin. it's enough. thanks
[13:19] <jonnyboy27> no worries
[13:20] <Ben_Cs> bye :)
[14:38] <bad-wire> back with sound problems: sound keeps cutting out during playback, when I log into a gnome session it works fine (same hardware software and files being played)
[14:41] <vidd> bad-wire, you have this issue with a live cd?
[14:41] <bad-wire> nope with a recent install, all updates done
[14:41] <bad-wire> btw: spoke with you yesterday as sinbox vidd
[14:42] <vidd> so the live cd works fine? or have you not tested?
[14:42] <sniperlt> Hello folks
[14:42] <vidd> i want to rule out setting conflicts
[14:42] <vidd> hello sniperlt
[14:43] <sniperlt> Hey on window I can right click any web page and choose 'create shortcut' from the popup window. Is there a way to do that in firefox
[14:44] <vidd> lets find out sniperlt
[14:44] <vidd> sniperlt, click and drag the tab out of FF onto your desktop
[14:45] <sniperlt> vidd: ok and thanks again for the help yesterday
[14:45] <vidd> np
[14:45] <vidd> bad-wire, sorry...im not really sure what may be causing your sound issue except possibly a software conflict....
[14:46] <sniperlt> yep that did it vid
[14:46] <vidd> xfce and gnome use all the same back-ends for sound
[14:46] <vidd> (at least...as far as I know)
[14:46] <sniperlt> what I specifically meant to thank you for is not being a sarcastic ass when you helped like so many people are on here.
[14:47] <vidd> sniperlt, if you want...i can be sarcastic......i LIKE being sarcastic.... =]
[14:47] <vidd> and sometimes I am sarcastic if someone gets under my skin
[14:47] <sniperlt> oh please no
[14:47] <sniperlt> I get enought of that on freenode already
[14:48] <vidd> but usuially, i just stop helping
[14:48] <sniperlt> And we wonder why people call us geeks
[14:49] <sniperlt> vidd:  what is the little white circle for at the top left of most xubuntu windows for
[14:49] <vidd> ????
[14:49] <vidd> i think its for "shadow"
[14:50] <sniperlt> what is shadow?
[14:50] <vidd> hides all but the title bar
[14:50] <vidd> very useful for those that dont use panels
[14:50] <vidd> ****shade****not shadow....sorry
[14:51] <sniperlt> I just clicked it in this kvirc window and it did nothing
[14:51] <vidd> OH!.....i see the circle now.....
[14:51] <vidd> that pins the app on all desktops
[14:51] <bad-wire> i haven't tried with live cd yet vidd I'll do that and report back
[14:52] <vidd> the little "up arrow" on the right side does the shade
[14:52]  * vidd has issues with "left" and "right"
[14:53]  * vidd needed to keep a small rock in his left pocket during his military days =]
[14:53] <sniperlt> ah i see now
[14:53] <sniperlt> ok
[14:53] <sniperlt> now i got a full kvirc window
[14:54] <sniperlt> and cannot figure out how to resize it
[14:54] <vidd> do you see the 4 squares in the upper right?
[14:55] <vidd> "arrow" "underscore" "[dunno what is here for you]" "X"?
[14:55] <sniperlt> yepper
[14:56] <sniperlt> I do not have it maximized
[14:56] <vidd> is the [dunno...] one square or two?
[14:56] <sniperlt> it has two squares
[14:56] <sniperlt> but it is still full screen
[14:56] <vidd> ah...then it is maximized
[14:56] <sniperlt> and will nto resize
[14:57] <vidd> single square is "not maximized"
[14:57] <vidd> the icon tells you what WILL happen
[14:57] <sniperlt> ok I changed that but still no sizing handles
[14:57] <vidd> move your cursor to the bottom right corner....
[14:58] <vidd> or....grab the title bar and drag down and right.....
[14:58] <vidd> the upper left and the bottom right are usually the best "resize" locations
[14:59] <sniperlt> ok got it
[14:59] <sniperlt> thanks again
[14:59]  * vidd needs to start charging =]
[14:59] <vidd> j/k
[15:01] <vidd> sniperlt, i guess the reason i dont come accross as sarcastic is because i do this kind of tech support for work (as well as phone and email)
[15:02] <bad-wire> is there a keyboard shortcut to start a terminal or do you have to set one yourself?
[15:02] <vidd> bad-wire, that depends....
[15:03] <vidd> the [ctl]+[alt]+[f-] keys count?
[15:03]  * bad-wire thinks vidd is masochist
[15:03] <bad-wire> ;)
[15:03] <vidd> they are tty's
[15:03] <bad-wire> which [f.] key would that be?
[15:03] <vidd> f1-f6
[15:04] <vidd> if that counts....then yeah....
[15:04] <bad-wire> I was actually thinking of a terminal window on the desktop rather than full terminal mode, and btw how do you get out of the tty back to desktop?
[15:04] <vidd> if it dont, then no...you have to build your own
[15:05]  * bad-wire grabs his toolbox
[15:05] <vidd> [ctrl]+[alt]+[f7}
[15:05] <bad-wire> thanks :)
[15:05] <bad-wire> anyone here happens to use liveice?
[15:06]  * vidd has never heard of it....would that be a "no" or "only if it's a secret part of something else"?
[15:06] <vidd> =]
[15:07] <vidd> sniperlt, that little bit of sarcasim is dedicated to you! =]
[15:07] <bad-wire> hehe
[15:07] <vidd> si9nce you miss it so much!
[15:08] <vidd> bad-wire, do you not have a panel launcher for terminal?
[15:08] <bad-wire> it's part of the icecast package (I think) for streaming mp3 (the chaps in the icecast channel are not very found of mp3 streaming anf helping with it)
[15:09] <jonnyboy27> bad-wire - i'd second using a panel button for [insert terminal emulator of choice here]
[15:09] <bad-wire> I guess I could add a panel launcher but it's for those times I'm on keyboard-at-full speed mode
[15:09]  * vidd has the terminal added to his menu so he only needs to [alt]+[esc] and [down arrow] twice to get terminal
[15:10] <jonnyboy27> i'm not sure whether you can assign a kb shortcut to a launcher in xfce. iirc you can in gnome, but alas i'm on my work xp machine atm so no way of trying
[15:10] <bad-wire> does [alt]+[esc] bring out the menu?
[15:10]  * vidd recommends assigning that task to the evil "cap-lock" button
[15:11] <vidd> bad-wire, yes it does
[15:11] <bad-wire> cap-lock is a useful moron hunting tool methinks
[15:11] <jonnyboy27> aah, in keyboard preferences you can assign keyboard shortcuts to any command you like
[15:12] <vidd> 95% of my support calls are caused by that cap's lock key
[15:12] <bad-wire> hmmm,  doesn't bring the menu down for me :'(
[15:12] <bad-wire> are the other 5% to do with the computer not being plugged in?
[15:12] <vidd> its ctrl...not alt....sorry
[15:13] <jonnyboy27> most of our sales team enter everything in FULL CAPS and so never turn caps off. meaning all my support emails are SHOUTED AT ME!!!
[15:13] <bad-wire> OK that works  :)
[15:13]  * vidd is off for his 15 minute smoke break
[15:13] <bad-wire> ah well, that's sales staff for you ;-)
[15:14] <jonnyboy27> uh-huh.
[15:14]  * jonnyboy27 notices #xubuntu slowly turning into an ASR-esque bitch-fest
[15:14] <jonnyboy27> :P
[15:17] <bad-wire> this sound problem is really weird, but it seems to be slowly getting les and less worse, baffling to say the least
[15:23]  * vidd is BACK
[15:23] <vidd> \0. knome
[15:29] <jonnyboy27> @bad-wire - it certainly does sound (no pun intended) odd
[15:30] <jonnyboy27> is it crackling or intermittently cutting out?
[15:30] <jonnyboy27> with all sound sources? do you get it with alsa/oss/pulse?
[15:31] <bad-wire> yes, most weird, I find Xubuntu not the easiest for sound configuration, it was also weird when I installed it on my laptop
[15:31] <bad-wire> luckily I was saved there by the HDD dying very soon after  :/
[15:31] <bad-wire> it intermittently cuts out and goes "scritch scritch"
[15:32] <vidd> "saved ... by the HDD dying"????
[15:32] <vidd> so strange to hear
[15:32] <vidd> what ever became of that lappy?
[15:32] <bad-wire> only using the xcfe-mixer I haven't played with the rest yet, and this seems to be using the alsa backend and driver
[15:32] <jonnyboy27> so the "scritch scritch" isn't the heads bouncing off the platters then? :P
[15:33] <bad-wire> I put the old win2k HDD back in it until I get my hands on another 2'5 HDD
[15:33] <vidd> those things are starting to get scarce
[15:34] <vidd> all you see these days are sata's
[15:34] <bad-wire> wouldn't be the heads as I'm reading the tracks of a CD, just to be sure if I log into a gnome session it actually works without a hitch
[15:34] <bad-wire> being a cheapskate I think I'm at least a year away of SATA drives
[15:47] <bad-wire> bye for now
[16:04] <jonnyboy27> lo tuna
[16:05] <tuna> hi
[16:30] <fr4nk> hello
[16:31] <vidd> hello fr4nk
[16:31] <fr4nk> where i can find the log of the boot procedure?? the file var/log/boot is empty..... oO
[16:36] <vidd> fr4nk, did you open it with root permissions?
[16:38] <vidd> hrm...nvmd
[16:38] <vidd> fr4nk, i think it is dmesg you want to look at
[16:40] <fr4nk> root doesn't work too: "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" ;)
[16:44] <fr4nk> brb
[16:46] <Shaba1> Ok brb everyone time to swith over to familiar old windows xp
[16:53] <vidd> wb fr4nk
[16:53] <vidd> as i said b4....check dmesg ... not boot
[16:54] <fr4nk> jeah, but i missing a message, because my startscript doesn't work fine...so i tried to used an absolute path..seems to work now....
[16:55] <fr4nk> i have a problem with the taskbars.....standard installation uses a clock in the upper taskbar, this one i deleted and added the orage-clock to the bottom taskbar.....
[16:56] <fr4nk> but sometimes, i have 2 clocks
[16:56] <fr4nk> one in the upper one in the bottom taskbar
[16:56] <fr4nk> sometimes both in the bottom taskbar
[16:57] <fr4nk> sometimes it doesn't save my configuration i have the feeling....dunno
[16:59] <fr4nk> <-- afk
[17:00] <vidd> fr4nk, nvmd then...let me know when your back
[17:10] <ashdjones> Hi I have a problem with my Xubuntu installation and I wondered if anybody could help please?
[17:11] <vidd> ashdjones, can you be slightly more specific?
[17:12] <ashdjones> yes
[17:12] <vidd> !ask
[17:13] <ashdjones> Okay sorry. I installed using the 'install inside windows' option and it's been working fine for the last few days, but not it won't boot up. I shut it down correctly but it claims there is a problem with the filesystem and that I should go into Windows and do 'chkdsk /r'.
[17:14] <vidd> ashdjones, did you upgrade the kernel in it?
[17:14] <ashdjones> Not as far as I know, I haven't applied any updates manually.
[17:15] <vidd> did you do the chkdsk /r in windows?
[17:15] <ashdjones> Yes but windows claim the device volume is in use.
[17:15] <vidd> ic
[17:16] <vidd> how much of its alloted space is used up?
[17:17] <ashdjones> Well i'm in Windows now so I can only check the folder size (one moment) 4.27 gb
[17:17] <ashdjones> Which I think is more than I alloted it.
[17:17] <fr4nk> vidd i'm back ;)
[17:18] <vidd> ashdjones, if you only alloted 4gb, then uninstall it via control panel, and re-install it
[17:18] <ashdjones> Okay. Is there no other way to fix it?
[17:18] <vidd> fr4nk, open up your ~./config/xfce4/panel folder
[17:19] <vidd> ashdjones, not that I know of...i dont think you can live-boot and access the wubi drive.....
[17:20] <vidd> besides, if you only allocated 4gb of hd space for the wubi, you need to format it and rebuild it anyway....otherwise it will fail in a few days again anyway
[17:20] <fr4nk> vidd and now?
[17:20] <ashdjones> Okay well thanks for your help, it have been sensible if the installation had warned me before this happened.
[17:20] <ashdjones> I guess I should allot it more space?
[17:21] <vidd> ashdjones, yeah... i allocate 6gb just for system files
[17:22] <vidd> ashdjones, i cant say for certain this is the cause of your issue.....
[17:22] <vidd> but its wubi...not a seperate partition
[17:22] <vidd> so i dont know how to get into it
[17:22] <vidd> (from windows)
[17:22] <vidd> fr4nk, open your file manager
[17:22] <vidd> go to your home directory
[17:23] <vidd> click the "show hidden" in the view menu
[17:23] <ashdjones> Vidd: Okay. Are there no tools for managing a wubi file system from Windows?
[17:23] <vidd> open up .config
[17:23] <fr4nk> yes i did, i am in the folder now
[17:24] <vidd> ashdjones, if there are, i dont know them....windows is an evil beast that has no buisness on any of my systems =]
[17:24] <ashdjones> A puritan I see ;)
[17:24] <vidd> fr4nk, pastebin me the contents of the panels.xml file
[17:24] <fr4nk> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[17:24] <fr4nk> <!DOCTYPE config SYSTEM "config.dtd">

[17:24] <fr4nk> 	<panel>
[17:24] <fr4nk> 		<properties>
[17:24] <fr4nk> 			<property name="size" value="24"/>
[17:24] <fr4nk> 			<property name="monitor" value="0"/>
[17:24] <vidd> ashdjones, no...just see no point in having virus magnets on my network
[17:24] <fr4nk> 			<property name="screen-position" value="2"/>
[17:24] <fr4nk> 			<property name="fullwidth" value="1"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="xoffset" value="0"/>
[17:25] <vidd> HEY!!!!!!!
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="yoffset" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="handlestyle" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="autohide" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="transparency" value="20"/>
[17:25] <vidd> !pastebin | fr4nk
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="activetrans" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 		</properties>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 		<items>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<item name="xfce4-menu" id="1"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<item name="places" id="2"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<item name="launcher" id="2"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<item name="separator" id="3"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<item name="systray" id="4"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<item name="xfce4-mixer" id="5"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<item name="actions" id="6"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 		</items>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 	</panel>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 	<panel>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 		<properties>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="size" value="24"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="monitor" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="screen-position" value="11"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="fullwidth" value="1"/>
[17:25] <ashdjones> vidd: Yes, well I can agree with you on that.
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="xoffset" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="yoffset" value="743"/>
[17:25] <vidd> someone boot fr4nk
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="handlestyle" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="autohide" value="0"/>
[17:25] <fr4nk> 			<property name="transparency" value="20"/>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 			<property name="activetrans" value="0"/>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 		</properties>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 		<items>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 			<item name="showdesktop" id="1"/>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 			<item name="pager" id="3"/>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 			<item name="tasklist" id="2"/>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 			<item name="orageclock" id="12272840540"/>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 		</items>
[17:26] <fr4nk> 	</panel>

[17:26] <fr4nk> oO
[17:26] <fr4nk> xD
[17:26] <fr4nk> sry
[17:26] <fr4nk> someone boot?
[17:26] <vidd> fr4nk, did you NOT READ what i said???????
[17:26] <vidd> !pastebin |fr
[17:26] <vidd> !pastebin | fr4nk
[17:27] <fr4nk> yes i am working on that, w8 a minute
[17:27] <vidd> fr4nk, you almost flooded my out of the channel
[17:27] <fr4nk> have problems....dunno cant paste into the text field...oO
[17:28] <ashdjones> Okay thanks for your help vidd it was appreciated.
[17:29] <fr4nk> omg, "PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed" --> used Syntax: XML
[17:29] <fr4nk> what i am doing wrong?
[17:30] <vidd> you probably didnt bother to open it in a text editor like mousepad
[17:31] <vidd> remove the top 2 lines....
[17:31] <fr4nk> y i did, i paste the content into the text field and clicked "Paste!"
[17:31] <vidd> the <?xml.... and the <!DOC
[17:31] <fr4nk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75311/
[17:31] <fr4nk> omg
[17:31] <fr4nk> kk
[17:32] <vidd> fr4nk, replace "orageclock" with "clock"
[17:33] <vidd> line 42
[17:33] <vidd> save changes, delete saved sessions, log-out and log in
[17:33] <fr4nk> kk i try
[17:33] <fr4nk> brb
[17:34] <ashdjones> I had a look at some other entries on that pastebin and I notice they are spam!
[17:35] <vidd> ashdjones, what are you talking about>??
[17:35] <ashdjones> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75300/
[17:35] <ashdjones> It seems to me like a robot is spamming it.
[17:36] <vidd> but it does no good, because no-one will ever look at that
[17:36] <vidd> (except you of course!)
[17:36] <ashdjones> Haha yeah, I just feel sorry for your server.
[17:37] <vidd> aint MY server
[17:37] <fr4nk> vidd i'am back, seems to work!
[17:37] <vidd> it should
[17:37] <ashdjones> I mean your as in the Ubuntu/Xubuntu community.
[17:38] <fr4nk> THX
[17:38] <vidd> np fr4nk
[17:38] <fr4nk> sry for flooding the channel ;)
[17:38] <vidd> just remember to pastebin next time =]
[17:38] <fr4nk> i'll do, added to favs xD
[17:38] <vidd> hehe
[17:38] <ashdjones> Unless it's spam.
[17:39] <vidd> bah....you can spam the pastebin all ya want
[17:39] <ashdjones> Where's your pride? ;)
[17:39] <fr4nk> how i can join automatic channels, if i connect to a server??
[17:39] <vidd> using xchat?
[17:40] <fr4nk> i connect to ubuntu srv, an i auto join #ubuntu & #xubuntu
[17:40] <vidd> fr4nk, ^^^^
[17:40] <fr4nk> yes xchat
[17:40] <vidd> ok....edit the server
[17:40] <vidd> enter the channels in the "autojoin" box
[17:40] <fr4nk> how!? oO
[17:41] <fr4nk> and where?
[17:41] <vidd> do you not see the "edit" button to the right of the server list?
[17:42] <fr4nk> nope
[17:42] <fr4nk> do you mean favs channels?
[17:42] <fr4nk> added now some
[17:42] <fr4nk> brb will try again to auto join.........
[17:43] <vidd> the format is #channel1,#channel2,#channel3
[17:43] <fr4nk> vidd, kk thats it :D
[17:44] <vidd> .......
[17:45] <fr4nk> yeah i am a linux noob, it runs in a virtual machine on my notebook
[17:45] <fr4nk> so me now afk
[17:45] <fr4nk> cya later....... :>
[17:47] <knome> oh hehe hi vidd
[17:47] <knome> i just left when you helloed me
[17:54] <vidd> knome, dint hurt...dint hurt .... =[
[17:54] <vidd> =]
[17:54] <rdehler> on ibex, i keep getting this message gdm[{pid}]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X Error - Restarting :0
[17:54] <rdehler> which of course restarts my xfce session
[17:54] <rdehler> any ideas on how i can troubleshoot?
[17:55] <vidd> rdehler, does it let you in eventually?
[17:55] <rdehler> yea i'm in
[17:55] <rdehler> it's when i'm doing random tasks
[17:55] <rdehler> like starting the update manager
[17:55] <rdehler> never the same ones
[17:56] <vidd> how is your hd space (particularly / partition) ram and swapspace?
[17:57] <rdehler> i'm from a virtual console now, the xfce session keeps crashing
[17:57] <rdehler> didn't happen before i upgraded to ibex =\
[17:58] <vidd> ok...so it DONT let you in eventually
[17:58] <rdehler> no i'm in right now, but at some point it will crash again
[17:59] <vidd> which kernel? and 64 or i386?
[17:59] <rdehler> i386 2.6.20.16-generic
[18:00] <vidd> 20-16????? why such a relic kernel? i thought you upgraded
[18:00] <rdehler> not hte kernel =\
[18:00] <rdehler> hmm k lemme try to get the new kernel working, bbiaf
[18:09] <rdehler> hmm latest kernel freezes my system
[18:09] <rdehler> that's probably why i'm using legacy =\
[18:12] <vidd> rdehler, you have "custom drivers"?
[18:12] <rdehler> yes
[18:12] <rdehler> one for nvidia
[18:12] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=861866
[18:13] <vidd> looks like II breaks your video drivers
[18:13] <vidd> if you remove/rebuild them, you should be ok
[18:14] <rdehler> hmm
[18:14] <rdehler> i did that first thing actually
[18:14] <rdehler> lemme do it again though
[18:14] <vidd> remove the custome driver and re-upgrade your kernel
[18:16] <rdehler> k trying that
[18:16] <vidd> it might be the wacom driver and not your video though (acording to the post)
[18:16] <rdehler> how do i "re-upgrade" the kernel?
[18:16] <vidd> you said the new kernel froze your system.....
[18:16] <rdehler> yes it does
[18:16] <vidd> so you obviously logged in with the old kernel....
[18:17] <rdehler> yes
[18:17] <vidd> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge [new kernel]
[18:17] <rdehler> k
[18:17] <vidd> then clear out your custom drivers
[18:18] <rdehler> giving that a try, thx
[18:18] <vidd> reboot, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:18]  * vidd had similar issues, and i backed up data and did a clean install
[18:18] <fr4nk> is it possible to get tor,vidalis & privoxy for xubuntu?
[18:19] <vidd> if you have a seperate /home partition, you can clean install and keep your existing /home partition
[18:19] <vidd> fr4nk, yes
[18:19] <vidd> tor anyway
[18:19] <fr4nk> hm because i read: Do not use the packages in ubuntu's universe. They are not maintained and most likely old and therefore miss out on stability and possibly security fixes.
[18:19] <fr4nk> https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian
[18:19] <fr4nk> hm...
[18:20] <vidd> then get the debs from there
[18:20] <vidd> but dont be surprised if your ISP starts yelling at you for using tor on dial-up
[18:22] <vidd> the company I work for closed out a large monthly contributer for tor-related usage
[18:23] <fr4nk> where di i get Qt 4.1 or later??
[18:23] <fr4nk> or is it already installed?
[18:23] <vidd> fr4nk, try to apt-get install it
[18:24] <fr4nk> <-- linux noob....how?
[18:24]  * vidd will not assist with installing those services
[18:24] <fr4nk> hmkay.... -_-
[18:24] <vidd> "sudo apt-get install [package name here]
[18:25] <vidd> or...use synaptic to find and install packages
[18:25] <jonnyboy27> apt-get is deprecated in favour of aptitude, non?
[18:25] <fr4nk> package name i dont know.....well i will search now.....
[18:26] <vidd> jonnyboy27, your kidding....right?
[18:26] <jonnyboy27> @vidd i thought it did better dependency management, esp wrt removing packages
[18:27]  * vidd would never use aptitude if he can avoid it (wich is simple since apt-get is fully functional)
[18:27] <vidd> pft
[18:27] <vidd> aptitude is a text-based front end for apt
[18:28] <vidd> why bother with the additional overhead
[18:28] <vidd> ?
[18:28] <jonnyboy27> yes,  but also accepts command-line arguments a la apt-get
[18:28] <jonnyboy27> since etch, it's been the debian package manager of choice
[18:29] <vidd> since etch....the name of the "stable" release since ...what....'03?
[18:30] <vidd> the difference between apt and aptitude is aptitude uses more resources
[18:30] <rdehler> vidd: k it's reinstalling 2.6.27-7-generic, but it installed the nvidia module again
[18:30] <rdehler> even though i removed it
[18:30] <fr4nk> how i can find out, if i have Package XY?
[18:30] <vidd> fr4nk, look in synaptic
[18:30] <rdehler> i think it found it in /etc/kernel/postinst.d
[18:30] <rdehler> lemme move that away and try again
[18:31] <vidd> if it has a green box, and something in the "installed version column, then yes you have it
[18:31] <jonnyboy27> not that i want an argument, but etch is the current stable - 4.0 and was released april 07 not 03
[18:31] <vidd> jonnyboy27, etch has been etch since '03
[18:31] <vidd> regardless of what version of debian it is
[18:32] <fr4nk> some packages aren't listed, for expample openSSL or libevent or zlib....so how to find out if i have zlib installed?
[18:32] <vidd> etch = stable, sid = unstable
[18:33] <vidd> been that way since '03, will be that way in 2899
[18:34] <vidd> i beleave the "relic" version is called lenny
[18:34] <Mopman> no
[18:34] <Mopman> lenny is testing
[18:34] <Mopman> i dunno what you mean by relic, i assuem you mean sarge
[18:34] <vidd> so etch, then lenny, then sid?
[18:34] <Mopman> yes
[18:34] <Mopman> and sarge is just the last etch
[18:35] <vidd> and next year, this years sid will be lenny, lenny will be etch, etc
[18:35] <Mopman> bonus points for getting the references :D (yeah i know its not hard, but i do think theyre clever :()
[18:36] <vidd> and apt will always be my prefered package manager =]
[18:36] <vidd> fr4nk, all the packages you have in your repos are listed
[18:37] <Mopman> i prefer pacman tbh, although admitting that in a xubuntu official channel... erm... better get my riot gear on :D
[18:37] <vidd> pacman?
[18:38] <vidd> fr4nk, strange, openssl is listed in my synaptic
[18:39] <vidd> fr4nk, libevent is "libevent1" in the repos
[18:39] <fr4nk> if i search for it, i cant see it
[18:39] <vidd> are you using that retarted "search" box?
[18:40] <fr4nk> omg
[18:40] <vidd> zlib is zlib1g
[18:40] <fr4nk> i was @the wrong prog..my fault
[18:41] <vidd> in terminal, type "sudo apt-get install libz[tab] and it will complete it for you
[18:41] <vidd> (this is why i LOVE apt
[18:41] <vidd> and why i HATE synaptic
[18:42] <vidd> oh...and jonnyboy27 aptitude does not have tab-autocomplete.....so it is WORTHLESS in my book
[18:42] <Mopman> i never knew you could tab complete package names on apt-get :/
[18:42] <Mopman> is that an ubuntu feature rather than a standard one
[18:43] <Mopman> because i noticed ubuntu tells me to install packages if i forget to install git and try and git clone something :P
[18:43] <vidd> so far as i know, it is ubuntu...havent touched debian since '03!
[18:43] <fr4nk> hm tab doesnt autocomplete it...
[18:43] <vidd> fr4nk, then tab twice
[18:43] <fr4nk> i did
[18:43] <vidd> it will list all the possiblities
[18:44] <fr4nk> no it didnt work...dunno
[18:45] <vidd> dunno fr4nk i double-tapped the [tab] key and it lists all (19x3) possibilities
[18:45] <fr4nk> hmkay.......tab works fine i autocomplete foders etv but not this way
[18:46] <vidd> did you type "sudo apt-get install"?
[18:46] <vidd> (no quotes of course"
[18:46] <fr4nk> without sudo, because i was su before
[18:47] <vidd> root does not have tab-complete
[18:47] <Mopman> btw
[18:47] <Mopman> is there a reason you cant just use the tor package
[18:47] <fr4nk> *strange* y not??
[18:48] <fr4nk> dunno, seems that i have already all packages i need to install tor
[18:48] <Mopman> just install tor via apt?
[18:48] <fr4nk> so i will try to install it now
[18:48] <fr4nk> nope...should i try?
[18:48] <Mopman> apt pulls dependencies in, you dont have to do it :P
[18:48] <vidd> because working as the user root is  a.) stupid, b.) dangerous c.) not the ubuntu way
[18:48] <Mopman> d) often required. ;)
[18:48] <fr4nk> i dont work as root
[18:48] <fr4nk> onl in terminal
[18:49] <fr4nk> *y
[18:49] <vidd> Mopman, NEVER required....that is what sudo is for
[18:49] <Mopman> what do you think you are doing when you use sudo/
[18:49] <vidd> Mopman, he isnt working with sudo....he is working as the user root
[18:49] <Mopman> thats no more stupid than using sudo, though, was my point
[18:49] <Mopman> unless you mean workign as root all the time when not needed
[18:50] <Mopman> thats pretty daft
[18:50] <vidd> fr4nk, you want tab-complete you need to sudo...not su
[18:51] <vidd> the whole reason they disabled the root account password is because its a major security hole
[18:51] <fr4nk> kk i'll remember from now on
[18:51] <fr4nk> btw apt-get ftw :D
[18:51] <Mopman> im so confused
[18:52] <vidd> Mopman, why?
[18:52] <Mopman> why are you manually installing dependencies, heh
[18:52] <Mopman> the tor package in intrepid pulls in libevent
[18:53] <vidd> becuase he doesnt understand that when you dpkg -i a package, you just sudo apt-get install -f
[18:53] <vidd> and all the dependencies get installed for you
[18:53] <vidd> (long live apt-get!)
[18:53] <Mopman> but why use the debs from the site at all
[18:53] <Mopman> the intrepid package is fully up to date
[18:53] <Mopman> the warning on the site is about debian, with its 18 month release cycles or w/e
[18:53] <vidd> Mopman, cuzz the ubuntu repos are broken (according to the site)
[18:54] <Mopman> the site says if you are using debian sarge
[18:54] <Mopman> unless im missing it
[18:54] <vidd> Mopman, i wont even go to thier site to look......
[18:54] <vidd> im at work, and they have access to it blocked
[18:55] <Mopman> youre right, they do say not to use ubuntu
[18:55] <fr4nk> vidd, where do y come from? oO
[18:55] <fr4nk> <-- germany :>
[18:55] <Mopman> they do also supply a repo to add to your apt sources and use instead though
[18:56] <vidd> usa
[18:56] <vidd> tor=evil
[18:56] <fr4nk> :D
[18:56] <Mopman> tor dosent kill people, rappers do
[18:57] <vidd> only useful; for criminal activity
[18:57] <Mopman> haha
[18:57] <Mopman> your military uses it
[18:57] <fr4nk> :>
[18:57] <Mopman> thats as far as im gonna go on that discussion
[18:57] <vidd> like I said.......
[18:57] <Mopman> hehe im glad we were on the same page there
[18:58] <vidd> Mopman, the military uses it for legitimate, illegal activities
[18:58] <Mopman> but im not sure id agree that tor is ONLY useful for criminal activities
[18:58] <vidd> its for national security, so criminal activity is OK
[18:59] <Mopman> perhaps in the USA it dosent have much use outside that, but i know id probably end up using it was i say, from a country that decided it got to control what i read on the internet
[18:59] <Mopman> not mentioning any names
[18:59] <vidd> what other legitimate purpose is there?
[18:59] <cody-somerville> ...
[18:59] <Mopman> overseas journalists are rather fond of it, vidd
[19:00] <vidd> yes...so they can circumvent local laws
[19:00] <vidd> (that is criminal activity)
[19:00] <Mopman> uh not nessecarily
[19:00] <cody-somerville> Lets take this conversation elsewhere please
[19:00] <Mopman> there are other reasons why it might be a good idea to be a anonymous than "law"
[19:08] <fr4nk> just want to deinstall some progs which i dont need, but the app needs unusal long time for it.... something strange out there^^
[19:37] <atari> hi
[19:37] <atari> does anyone know how to get hotkeys (the app) working?
[19:40] <vidd> atari, not exactly sure what you mean
[19:40] <atari> $ hotkeys -b
[19:40] <vidd> you want a specific key combination to launch an app?
[19:40] <atari> : Program exiting...Locking assertion failure.  Backtrace:
[19:40] <atari> vidd: i want my media keys to work
[19:41] <vidd> so....why not use the built-in hotkey app?
[19:41] <vidd> its in the settings manager
[19:41] <vidd> ah...ic y
[19:41] <atari> how can i use mute/restore?
[19:42] <atari> the keycoedes are working properly etc. but the dont work in the system
[19:42] <vidd> your trying to launch hotkeys, wich is already launched on boot
[19:42] <vidd> you can only have one hotjkeys running at a time
[19:42] <atari> i have no process called hotkeys running
[19:43] <vidd> atari, but you do....
[19:43] <vidd> its part of the system
[19:43] <atari> i dont see any process called hotkeys with ps aux
[19:43] <vidd> go into your settings manager and edit them there
[19:43] <atari> just tell me: how can i do the mute/un-mute app?
[19:45] <vidd> atari, SET UP THE KEYS IN SETTING MANAGER!!!!!!!
[19:45] <atari> keyboard->shortcuts ?
[19:45] <atari> there?
[19:45] <vidd> or...simply add the volume manager to your panel
[19:46] <atari> i have a wheel on my keyboard to manage the loudness... i'd like to use that one
[19:46] <vidd> good luck with that
[19:46] <atari> the only problem is the mute/un-mute part
[19:46] <vidd> do you have the volume manager app on your panel?
[19:46] <atari> yes i do
[19:46] <vidd> and it dont work?
[19:47] <vidd> what kind of keyboard?
[19:47] <atari> the volume app is working. louder and less loud with the keyboard wheel is working too. the mute part would work as well. but i want to restore the loudness when i hit the mute button a second time
[19:47] <Odd-rationale> atari: so you have a wheel on your keyboard you want to use to control your volume?
[19:47] <atari> so i'm looking for the script name which does it normally
[19:48] <atari> Odd-rationale: that's working as i added aumix for xf86audiolower/raisevolume
[19:48] <atari> vidd: on the back i just says: logitech cordless keyboard
[19:48] <atari> s/i/it
[19:49]  * vidd didnt have to add anything but the panel app to get this stuff to work
[19:49] <Hikefu> so you're just trying to add a key combo to mute?
[19:49] <atari> no
[19:50] <atari> that's what i just did for the volume
[19:50] <Hikefu> then what exactly are you trying to do?
[19:50] <atari> i want to mute if i press once. and i want the sound to get b ack to its volume selected before, when i press the mute button again
[19:50] <vidd> atari, so you added the stuff for the mute BEFORE you added the panel app?
[19:51] <atari> vidd: "stuff"?
[19:51] <atari> vidd: i just took my old home dir
[19:51] <vidd> that's working as i added aumix for xf86audiolower/raisevolume
[19:51] <vidd> that "stuff"
[19:51] <Hikefu> I'm not sure about the mute buttonn, but amixer -q set Master mute or amixer -q set Master unmute should work if you make a key combo.
[19:51] <atari> vidd: because i already had a config in my home i needed to add them manually
[19:52] <vidd> did you add that "stuff" BEFORE or AFTER you added the panel app
[19:52] <atari> Hikefu: but how to call them on the same key?
[19:52] <vidd> did you add that "stuff" BEFORE or AFTER you added the panel app atari
[19:52] <atari> vidd: after as i already had it on my old system
[19:52] <Hikefu> atari, I'm not sure. Does it matter?
[19:53] <atari> Hikefu:
[19:53] <vidd> the panel app should enable those keys and functions automatically
[19:53] <atari> Hikefu: afaik you can only specify one app to a key
[19:53] <vidd> you should not have to add anything at all
[19:54] <Hikefu> atari, so make something lie ctrl-alt-up and ctrl-alt-down or something to mute/unmute
[19:54] <Hikefu> that's what i do in openbox
[19:54] <Odd-rationale> atari: you can create a script that if the volume is mute, then unmut. and if it is unmute, then mute.
[19:54] <atari> i have a special mute key. which worked very well with hotkeys on debian etch. that's the why
[19:55] <vidd> atari, first, try letting the panel app do the job
[19:55] <vidd> since your "already there in the config when i installed" stuff is preventing it from working properly
[19:55] <nat2610> is Xfce lighter than gnome ? I m trying to find out what's the best distribution for my umpc
[19:56] <Odd-rationale> nat2610: yes. xfce by itself, it lighter than gnome.
[19:56] <Hikefu> yes sir it is
[19:56] <atari> vidd: so logout. mv .config .config.old and login again should get it working?
[19:57] <nat2610> when you say by itselft does it means that at the end, it won't be that light ?
[19:57] <Odd-rationale> nat2610: well, firefox and the like will always be a resource hog...
[19:57] <Odd-rationale> the desktop environment itself, however, is defintely lighter...
[19:57] <nat2610> Odd-rationale, yeah but that would be a common issue to any distro ... I guess I can switch to opera it it's too slow
[19:58] <vidd> atari, yes *should*
[19:58] <Odd-rationale> nat2610: correct, or epiphany, midori, etc.
[19:58] <vidd> id do this before beating your head against the wall =]
[19:58] <vidd> if this doenst work, buy a helmet !
[19:58] <vidd> =]
[19:59] <atari> vidd: i already have one :P
[19:59] <atari> vidd: lets try it out
[20:00] <nat2610> ok ... that's gonna be my side project for the day :) ... does anybody have a umpc running xubuntu on this chan ?
[20:00] <vidd> atari, good luck
[20:01] <atari> vidd: the mute is working but not the un-mute
[20:03] <vidd> strange
[20:03] <atari> actually if i look at the shorcut section i know why un-mute isnt working...
[20:03] <atari> as for mute there is aumix -v0
[20:03] <atari> that's it. so un-mute can not work
[20:03]  * vidd is going home
[20:04] <Odd-rationale> atari: do you want to mute Master?
[20:04] <atari> Odd-rationale: i dont care which exact channel... as long as it mutes and un-mutes
[20:05] <Odd-rationale> atari: k can you pastebin the output of `amixer get Master`
[20:05] <atari> Odd-rationale:   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined
[20:05] <atari> Odd-rationale: you need that one?
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> yeah... the whole thing in a pastebin
[20:11] <atari> http://nopaste.syscp.org/333
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> atari: hmm. ok. do you know shell scripting? i think i can hack up a quick script that will do the trick for you...
[20:13] <atari> Odd-rationale: i could do it by myself. thats not the need...
[20:13] <atari> Odd-rationale: but damn... on etch i had hotkeys which did the job very well...
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> atari: obviously, aumix -v0 will not do the trick...
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> why not just find out what command etch used?
[20:16] <atari> Odd-rationale: do you know hotkeys? (the daemon)
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> no
[20:16] <atari> Odd-rationale: on just used "hotkeys"
[20:16] <atari> but hotkeys -b -L7 -Z
[20:16] <atari> Segmentation fault
[20:16] <atari> that's what i get on ubuntu
[20:17] <atari> hotkeys had nice OSD support and all that stuff
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> never heard of hotkeys...
[20:20] <atari> its really great
[20:20] <atari> at least in my oppinion ;)
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> !info hotkeys
[20:22] <atari> http://nopaste.syscp.org/334
[20:22] <dcolish> hotkeys has very limited support for keyboards. it should be keyboard agnostic
[20:22] <atari> that's the output i get
[20:23] <atari> dcolish: sure. but the sound part of it is really great
[20:23] <dcolish> ok
[20:24] <dcolish> but it doesnt work with my keyboard anyway
[20:24] <fr4nk> how i can install *deb Packages?
[20:24] <atari> it works with every keyboard which supports normal key codes
[20:24] <atari> fr4nk: dpkg -i <file>.deb
[20:24] <fr4nk> thx^^
[20:24] <atari> np
[20:24] <Hikefu> sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb
[20:26] <dcolish> atari: i take it back, i can define support with an xml config file
[20:26] <atari> dcolish: yeah ;)
[20:26] <atari> dcolish: it needs some time to setup. but once its working.... wow :)
[20:27] <jonnyboy27> you can also use gdebi if you prefer the graphical approach to installing packages
[20:27] <dcolish> atari: how is this better than xmodmap? or any of the other xfce key mapping?
[20:27] <fr4nk> is it also possible to install rpm packages under ubuntu?
[20:28] <dcolish> fr4nk: yeah if you install rpm
[20:28] <Hikefu> !alien
[20:28] <dcolish> but why woudl you want to
[20:28] <atari> dcolish: the coolest feature is the OSD of what it's doing if you enable it ;)
[20:28] <fr4nk> to install java runtime env for FF
[20:29] <fr4nk> i did t per hand but maybe there is a more comfortable way
[20:29] <dcolish> fr4nk: uh java doesn't require rpms. maybe i am missing the point?
[20:29] <cody-somerville> !java
[20:29] <Hikefu> sudo apt-get install xubunxu-extras gets you set up with flash, java, and some other useful things
[20:29] <Hikefu> xubuntu-extras
[20:29] <fr4nk> ok i'll try this
[20:29] <dcolish> Hikefu: that give you gjc i think?
[20:30] <dcolish> !xubuntu-extras
[20:30] <Hikefu> oh, yeah, and I forget I need sun-java5
[20:30] <Hikefu> to play pogo games
[20:30] <dcolish> or run eclipse, netbeans or anything decent
[20:31] <Hikefu> but you I install the extras then sun java5 and then sudo update-alternatives --config java to get it straight
[20:31] <dcolish> Hikefu: I find it much easier to use the sun binary installer and just set my java home, jrockit is good too
[20:33] <Hikefu> Yeah, I suppose that's not a bad idea. I can't wait until there is a 64 bit java plugin. These work arounds are driving me insane and keeping in 32 bit land.
[20:33] <Hikefu> !jrockit
[20:34] <dcolish> there is 64 java if you dont use apt
[20:34] <dcolish> jrockit is only available from oracle
[20:36] <Hikefu> dcolish, I think the plugin isn't complete somehow. It mostly works, but I play a lot of chess on pogo and it doesn't work properly.
[20:36] <Hikefu> I can load game rooms, but get blank screens.
[20:36] <Hikefu> Sun java 5 plugin 32 bit is the only one that works
[20:37] <dcolish> Hikefu: are you talking about browser plugins?
[20:37] <Hikefu> Perhaps it's the plugin, not the java version itself
[20:37] <Hikefu> Yes
[20:38] <dcolish> ah, yeah thats going to be different
[20:38] <dcolish> i know fedora just included the icedtea browser plugin, wonder if ubuntu has done the same
[20:39] <dcolish> !icedtea
[20:40] <Hikefu> i think so. i was thinking of just using the most current java and making a script that sets sun java 5 plugin when i open epiphany. i only use it to play chess, so I could switch the java version, open browser, and then have it reset.
[20:40] <Hikefu> otherwise, i'm on firefox
[20:40] <dcolish> its there, let me find the package
[20:41] <dcolish> !icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[20:41] <Hikefu> i see iced-tea6 and the gcjwebplugin
[20:41] <dcolish> well thats the plugin, looks experimental at best
[20:41] <Hikefu> icedtea6
[20:41] <dcolish> there should be an icedtea7 floating around somewhere
[20:41] <Hikefu> okay. i'll keep an eye on it in the future.
[21:00] <fr4nk> my file manager doesnt respond....what can i do now?
[21:00] <fr4nk> xubuntu works under a vmware
[21:00] <fr4nk> normal installation
[21:00] <fr4nk> 5gb hdd
[21:00] <fr4nk> 512MB ram
[22:33] <Justinm91> I have documentation of a problem I have, I just have no idea what to do. Can anyone offer me some help?
[22:34] <dcolish> whats the issue
[22:34] <Justinm91> Note I have Intreped Ibex, not the OS listed here:
[22:34] <Justinm91> Ah, my wireless card reader is not picking up my card
[22:34] <Justinm91> http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2003-June/003270.html
[22:36] <Justinm91> And it seems someone is having a simmilar problem on the forums
[22:36] <Justinm91> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=959313
[22:37] <knome> "wireless card reader" ?
[22:38] <Justinm91> erm, dunno exactly what to call it
[22:38] <knome> pc card reader?
[22:39] <Justinm91> Guess that would be it...
[22:40] <knome> Justinm91, i have no experiences with those, but somebody might. just hang around and hopefully somebody will turn out. you can also ask #ubuntu meanwhile, because this is not xubuntu specific.
[22:41] <vasileios> What are the minimum system requirements for Xubuntu? like cpu and ram?
[22:43] <zoredache_> 192MB of ram is required to install with the livecd.  The cpu could be a 600 mhz or better
[22:44] <knome> vasileios, you can expect slow performance with 192MB ram though..
[22:44] <Shaba1> hey if it runs on my ancient AMD 1300 256mb ram laptop it will run on anything
[22:44] <zoredache_> Having enough ram will make a biggere difference then slower processor
[22:44] <vasileios> Thanks!
[22:44] <Shaba1> I know zoredache
[22:44] <Shaba1> unfortunately my landlord likes his rent on a regular basis.
[22:45] <zoredache> you could always give up eating...
[22:45] <Shaba1> been there done that
[22:45] <Shaba1> :)
[22:46] <Shaba1> It was no fun
[23:03] <granjero> hi
[23:03] <granjero> i m in a live session tryying to read my ntfs partitions
[23:03] <granjero> i m too newbie ando i don t know the command
[23:04] <zoredache> !ntfs-3g
[23:04] <granjero> and my english is a bit rusty
[23:04] <knome> zoredache, damn you were faster ;)
[23:04] <granjero> tnx ubottu
[23:05] <granjero> i run ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho Creando árbol de dependencias        Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho ntfs-3g ya está en su versión más reciente. 0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 1 no actualizados.
[23:06] <granjero> ls -l should list all my drives
[23:06] <granjero> dont t it?
[23:09] <knome> granjero, nope, it shows the contents of a folder + permissions.
[23:09] <granjero> wich is the command?
[23:09] <granjero> knome: how can i see the ntfs partition?
[23:09] <knome> mount shows mounted partitions.
[23:11] <granjero> sorry i don understand where is i
[23:11] <granjero> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) devshm on /dev/shm ty
[23:12] <granjero> sorry iĺl paste it in pastebin
[23:12] <granjero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75437/
[23:15] <knome> granjero, did you read this page? -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[23:28] <granjero> thanx knome