[00:13]  * elkbuntu raises an eyebrow at the crazy italian.
[02:26] <bazhang> wos seems to be trolling
[02:26] <bazhang> lots of meta-questions and no real support questions
 could anyone tell me if ubuntu and mythbuntu are the same thing basically if you take out the TV features?
[02:49] <elky_e71> now i know how finns feel, being able to irc anywhere, such as their fav cafe
[02:51] <Pici> hehe
[02:52] <Pici> Except they call it the 'pub'
[02:53] <elky_e71> hehe
[02:53] <elky_e71> true
[02:56] <elky_e71> oh gawd... Ppp has a girlfriend???
[02:59] <mneptok> elky_e71: probably a WoW avatar. relax.
[03:00] <mneptok> hmmm ... Pop-Tart, or persimmon?
[03:00] <elky_e71> tehy aare so lucky this phone lacks chhanserv.py
[03:00] <mneptok> aare? you *are* Finnish.
[03:01] <mneptok> teeliivvuuuatualiiaanaiianiipekksii oooariitikuuliouniaarta
[03:01] <mneptok> and somewhere there's a poor Serbian baby going to sleep without vowels.
[03:22] <elky_e71> lol
[03:22] <elky_e71> gaintsura, can we help?
[03:23] <gaintsura> O.o I didn't realize I joined here, how did that happen..
[03:23] <elky_e71> yeah,sure
[03:24] <elky_e71> @bansearch gaintsura
[03:24] <elky_e71> hrmph
[03:24] <elky_e71> halp?
[03:26] <Pici> @bansearch gaintsura
[03:26] <bazhang> really nasty part message iirc
[03:27] <elky_e71> i need to figur how to autoidentify with this thing
[03:27] <Pici> ding
[03:27] <Pici> elky_e71: group elky_e71 to your account and use a server password?
[03:28] <elky_e71> someone follow upwith him in pm then i suppose
[03:29] <elky_e71> pici yeah, the auto passing of password is lacking though i think
[03:29] <Pici> elky_e71: Even as a server password? Most irc clients have that.
[03:30] <elky_e71> i havent really tried
[03:30] <elky_e71> still getting used to typing on this
[03:44] <jussi01> Hello all
[03:44] <Pici> jussi01: Howdy
[03:52] <jussi01> hiya Pici
[03:55] <mneptok> gar.
[04:02] <bazhang> removed
[05:31] <manzur> hello my name is abraham, and i was banned from ubuntu, so please let me get in again
[05:32] <Flannel> manzur: What were you banned for?
[05:33] <manzur> Flannel, i can log in #ubuntu, because i missbehave, now i feel sorry about it and i know how to behave, so please let me in
[05:34] <Flannel> manzur: Do you know what #ubuntu is for?
[05:35] <manzur> Flannel, of course, now i do
[05:35] <Flannel> manzur: And what's that?
[05:36] <Flannel> If you don't know, that's fine.  I'll tell you.  I just want to make sure we're all on the same page so we don't have any more misunderstandings
[05:37] <manzur> Flannel, of course i know, i want ubuntu to be better, it was just that i posted my idea in brainstorm in here to make it notice, but now i know i can't do that, so please i want to make you know that now we are in the same page
[05:38] <Flannel> manzur: Alright, let me put it this way:  What is the topic of #ubuntu?  (as far as being on topic or off topic is concerned)
[05:39] <manzur> Flannel, it is to help people in that use ubuntu
[05:39] <manzur> it is to help people
[05:40] <Flannel> manzur: It's for tech support only
[05:40] <Flannel> not discussions, not annoucements, etc (even if they're about Ubuntu), that's what #ubuntu-offtopic is for
[05:41] <manzur> so you mean#ubuntu-offtopic is where i can talk and announce about news
[05:41] <manzur> and etc
[05:41] <Flannel> manzur: So, when you're looking to discuss flash 64 or whatever, you should do it in #ubuntu-offtopic, yes.
[05:42] <manzur> manzur, ok
[05:43] <manzur> Flannel, can i get in now?
[05:43] <Flannel> manzur: One more thing, have you read and understood the IRC guidelines? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:43] <manzur> Flannel, of course i have read them
[05:44] <manzur> it reads about respect, no flood, etc, etc, etc
[05:44] <Flannel> manzur: Alright, so we shouldn't have any more to worry about from you, since now you understand what #ubuntu is for, and what #ubuntu-offtopic is.  Good.
[05:45] <manzur> Flannel, yes friend
[05:45] <Flannel> manzur: Alright, your bans lifted.  Go ahead and join.
[05:45] <manzur> Flannel, thanks
[05:45] <manzur> bye
[08:43] <gaintsura> wtf, I keep ending up here instead of #ubuntu
[08:44] <Flannel> gaintsura: That's because you're being forwarded here.
[08:45] <gaintsura> right, why?
[08:45] <Flannel> gaintsura: Because your quit message is rather inappropriate
[08:45] <gaintsura> =\
[08:48] <Flannel> gaintsura: mind changing it?
[08:53] <gaintsura> yeah, sorry, I had to go take care of something
[08:54] <gaintsura> I think that is kind of a stupid restriction =\
[08:55] <Flannel> gaintsura: How so?
[08:56] <gaintsura> it shouldn't be up to a channel to decide what can and cannot be in one's quit message, if its that big of a problem, disable quit messages
[08:56] <stdin> if it would not be appropriate to say it in #ubuntu, don't put it in you'r part/quit message
[08:56] <Flannel> gaintsura: Its up to us to decide what sort of atmosphere we would like in a channel, which includes your quit messages when you're in the channel.
[08:56] <stdin> and you can not disable the messages channel-wide for all users of the channel
[08:57] <gaintsura> yes this is true, and please by all means do so, but don't designate what can and cannot be in a quit message in such a fashion, I think its a bit childish
[08:57] <gaintsura> merely my opinions, been changed
[08:57] <stdin> childish why? you quit, so how could we ask you to change it?
[08:58] <Flannel> gaintsura: Our channel guidelines are plainly laid out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:58] <gaintsura> yes and I know what they are
[08:59] <stdin> as I said earlier, if it would not be appropriate to say it in #ubuntu, don't put it in you'r part/quit message, as everyone sees it by default
[08:59] <gaintsura> I mean think about it, you don't duct tape someones mouth shut when you're on the street because they are yappin about something you don't want to hear, you may want to, but its imposing.
[09:00] <stdin> 1) IRC is not the street, 2) the channel has clear guidelines, which you say you know. 3) the channel is family friendly, if someone was swearing in the street and there are children around, they would be asked to stop
[09:01] <gaintsura> wow, I don't know where you live, but anyway, I'm done, its been changed
[09:01]  * stdin lives in a house
[09:01] <gaintsura> thats real useful
[09:01] <gaintsura> =P
[09:02] <Flannel> gaintsura: Being in the Ubuntu channels is a privledge, not a right.  No one is forcing you to join them, especially if you don't agree with what their purpose is.
[09:03]  * gaintsura sighs, its a useless attempt
[09:20] <bazhang> netyire at it again in -ot
[09:20] <bazhang> gaintsura, are you about finished here?
[09:21] <gaintsura> yeah... I'm still tryin to get in..
[09:21] <gaintsura> I've changed my quit.. still can't get in
[09:21] <bazhang> change your part message gaintsura (did you do that?)
[09:22] <gaintsura> my part message says 'Ex-Chat'
[09:22] <bazhang> it said something really nasty before gaintsura 
[09:22] <gaintsura> no.. that was my quit, which I fixed
[09:22] <elkbuntu> bazhang, we'll find out as soon as he leaves here.
[09:23] <gaintsura> here.. watch
[09:23] <bazhang> gaintsura, you understand how that message is offensive and inappropriate for #ubuntu channels?
[09:23] <bazhang> oops
[09:24] <bazhang> gaintsura, you understand how that part message is inappropriate and offensive for #ubuntu channels?
[09:24] <gaintsura> what part message?
[09:24] <gaintsura> You have left channel #ubuntu-ops ("Ex-Chat")
[09:24] <gaintsura> I don't see what the problem is now
[09:25] <bazhang> the bad one you had before you changed it
[09:25]  * gaintsura sighs jezus, if this weren't the best place to get ubuntu help I'd have left already, I'm not 12
[09:25] <bazhang> gaintsura, you do understand then? is that a yes?
[09:26] <gaintsura> yes
[09:26] <bazhang> gaintsura, so no more problems from you in that regard?
[09:26] <gaintsura> no
[09:28] <bazhang> you can join now gaintsura 
[09:28] <gaintsura> thanks
[09:28] <bazhang> np
[10:16] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Whats your thoughts on Cann0n in #u?  He's starting to make me feel that he's just causing trouble.
[10:29] <bazhang> heh
[10:29] <bazhang> I wont read what you link me.
[10:29] <Flannel> but I'
[10:29] <Flannel> ll google!
[10:29] <bazhang> haha
[10:30] <Flannel> I feel bad for nintendork.  Was asking about upgrading to 8.10 earlier, I tried to discourage it, but everyone else egged him on, now he's stuck with KDE4
[10:31] <stdin> you say that like it's a bad thing
[10:31] <Flannel> stdin: Well, now he's compiling 3.5 from source
[10:31] <Flannel> or will be
[10:32] <stdin> fwiw, the Kubuntu team is working with the poster of the link ^ up there to make a stable/safe KDE3 repo for KDE 3 in intrepid
[10:32] <Flannel> I know, and I mentioned it to him
[10:32] <stdin> although it's a bit pointless, it's like saying "I like KDE 2, why can't I install it?" IMO
[10:33] <Flannel> !jfgi =~ /  / /
[10:33] <Flannel> !jfgi
[10:33] <Flannel> interesting
[10:33] <stdin> !-jfgi
[10:33] <Flannel> I've gotta do it on the main one?
[10:33] <stdin> I'm not sure =~ works on aliases
[10:33] <Flannel> !noob =~ /  / /
[10:34] <Flannel> I guess not
[10:34] <Flannel> that makes sense
[10:34] <Flannel> !jfgi
[10:34] <stdin> because the actual value of "jfgi" is "<alias>noob"
[10:34] <Flannel> mhmm
[10:35] <elkbuntu> you might want to add 'simply directing someone to google with no extra information is just as useless and rude as jfgi'.
[10:35] <stdin> saying "go google" is directly against the guidelines, no more justification is needed
[10:36] <Flannel> yep, "when helping, be helpful"
[10:37] <stdin> could also be seen as against the CoC "Be respectful."
[10:39] <elkbuntu> nah, more courtesy than respect
[10:39] <elkbuntu> it's about as useful as saying 'go stare into that corner'
[13:27] <elkbuntu> grr... i want to mangle my linode (which hosts my bip proxy) but netyire is being a handful
[13:28] <LjL> say again?
[13:30] <elkbuntu> if i mess with my linode, i'll be disconnecting my irc connection. netyire is being a pita, and i wont be able to babysit
[13:31] <elkbuntu> see -offtopic
[13:39] <elkbuntu> he's hyped up on something
[13:41] <LjL> elkbuntu: how do we coordinate the kickings? alphabetical order?
[13:42] <elkbuntu> LjL, why not just get pricey to clear and let the server figure it out :P
[13:43] <elkbuntu> netyire has been irritating bazhang for a few days now
[13:50] <elkbuntu> sigh.
[14:01] <Myrtti> BÖÖÖÖÖ
[14:10] <Myrtti> I wonder if it's my oversensetive empathy skillz, but damn, I feel ashamed everytime a Finn, Swede, Estonian or Russian misbehaves.
[14:10] <Myrtti> makes my life a bit miserable.
[14:10] <Gary> at least you are not british, you'd never recover
[14:11] <Myrtti> I've not seen that many English misbehaving.
[14:11] <Myrtti> I don't mean trolling, btw
[14:11] <Myrtti> I mean plain idiotic flooding/stalking/dcc exploiting etc.
[14:12]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti big time
[14:12] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, dont feel guilt for other's idiocy, mkay?
[14:12] <Gary> oh, no the british are better at real world misbehaving
[14:12] <Myrtti> I feel guilty for all my past dates being idiots...
[14:12] <Myrtti> >___<
[14:13] <Myrtti> anyway
[14:13] <Myrtti> time to put some breakfast rolls to bake
[14:13] <Gary> ummm, sounds tasty
[14:13] <elky_e71> ok,mirggi is better than jmirc
[14:14] <elky_e71> For start, it doesnt take me off to a 'compose' window
[14:14] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: didn't I tell you?
[14:15] <Myrtti> second, it allows multiple networks
[14:15] <Myrtti> and network password
[14:15] <elky_e71> nope, or i didnt listen
[14:15] <Myrtti> me and topyli and snuxoll...
[14:16] <Myrtti> it still sucks, but it's still also better than jmirc
[14:16] <elky_e71> Hrm, its stopped letting me browse the chans im in
[14:16] <Myrtti> get out of the compose prompt
[14:16] <Myrtti> then you can browse again
[14:17] <elky_e71> how?
[14:17] <Myrtti> erm, click the compose prompt again?
[14:17] <Myrtti> iirc
[14:17] <elky_e71> aah, tge return key
[14:20]  * elkbuntu evicts jmirc from the phone
[14:20] <Myrtti> ooo
[14:20] <Myrtti> http://www.skyfire.com/
[14:21] <elkbuntu> i bet it has a decent email client
[14:22] <elkbuntu> oh, it's only a browser
[14:25] <Myrtti> I didn't know the default browser is webkit...
[14:25] <Myrtti> I feel so out of date
[14:26] <elkbuntu> aww
[14:27] <elkbuntu> http://mymobilesite.net/ <- lolwut?
[14:28] <elkbuntu> https://topyli.mymobilesite.net/ <-- haha
[14:36] <LjL> elky_e71: you'd really have thought there could exist a mobile-related site without topyli being registered to it?
[14:37] <Gary> never
[14:41] <elkbuntu> right, much better
[14:42] <Myrtti> hold on...
[14:42] <Myrtti> http://mymobilesite.net/screenshots/
[14:42] <Myrtti> "Send SMS using PC web browser. SMS are sent as if you had typed them with your phone."
[14:42] <Myrtti> holy hell
[14:42] <Myrtti> "SMS inbox/outbox and SMS sending"
[14:42]  * Myrtti installs
[14:43]  * LjL thinks the word "free" is missing for him to install anything
[14:45] <nalioth> doesn't google have an sms portal?
[14:45] <LjL> never heard of it
[14:45] <LjL> but yes
[14:46] <LjL> you can send sms to a number and get some silly info
[14:50] <elky_e71> hrm, maybe i should sleep. 2am approaches
[14:53] <nalioth> LjL: no, not an sms info service, but a portal to send sms to people
[14:53]  * nalioth thought google offered one
[14:55] <LjL> i don't see that
[16:33] <bazhang> does sudobash intentionally give wrong advice? or just generally not knowledgeable?
[16:33] <LjL> bazhang: he's a
[16:33] <LjL> oh wait, this is logged
[16:33] <bazhang> heh
[16:34] <LjL> you got the idea anyway
[16:34] <bazhang> super grub disk?
[16:34] <bazhang> windows firewall for a failing drive?
[16:34] <LjL> bazhang: it's not a failing drive, it's a samba share over wireless
[16:34] <LjL> (if they're still talking about that issue)
[16:35] <bazhang> yep
[16:58] <LjL> hello animalcannibal, please change your ident to something less rude to join #ubuntu
[17:09] <LjL> sometimes, like everyone, i answer a question that's already been answered a second before, since i'm just already pressing enter
[17:09] <LjL> but when there's a row of answers, including ones like 10 seconds apart, i start to wonder what the hell are people thinking
[17:10] <bazhang> hehe
[17:10] <bazhang> build-essential
[17:27] <jdong> LjL: the problem is 10x worse when there's a karma system attached :)
[17:28] <LjL> jdong: i can imagine
[18:56]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[19:22] <Myrtti> !usb
[19:26] <Myrtti> [21:09] < jordanb> rudybot,quote
[19:26] <Myrtti> [21:09] < rudybot> I love it how the ubuntu wankers all install automatix.
[19:26] <Myrtti> from #emacs
[19:32] <Myrtti> !prayer
[19:34] <Myrtti> I just hate it when people mount their network drives with gnomevfs
[19:35] <Myrtti> my head is going to explode
[20:08] <Myrtti> hmmm
[20:08] <Myrtti> apparently Amaranth doesn't have nickprotection on
[20:10] <Tm_T> aww
[20:10] <Myrtti> painkillers, where's me painkillers
[21:13] <ikonia> alex_112: you've been forwarded here because despite being asked once in pm, and once publicly in the main #ubuntu channel you persisted to private message people in #ubuntu asking for support
[21:14] <alex_112> ikonia, do you think banning people is funny?
[21:14] <ikonia> no
[21:15] <alex_112> I`m stucked int stupid story,I do my best to keep my mind with Linux
[21:15] <ikonia> pardon ?
[21:15] <alex_112> perhaps it`s better to format and install my friendly XP?
[21:15] <ikonia> if you want
[21:15] <ikonia> thats not what I'm discussing with you
[21:17] <alex_112> yes now I remebered why I leave IRC-if somebody has power he/she thing is GOD
[21:17] <ikonia> no
[21:17] <LjL> alex_112, do you have an operator/abuse question?
[21:17] <alex_112> YES 
[21:18] <ikonia> multiple people, myself included asked you to stop sending unsoliceted private messages, you did not comply with that so you where brought to this channel to discuss it without disrupting the main channel
[21:18] <alex_112> ikonia kick me off from ubuntu cause my private chat
[21:18] <LjL> alex_112: so, why did you keep PM'ing people after being told multiple times not to do so?
[21:18] <tritium> alex_112: which was justified...
[21:18] <alex_112> hahahah
[21:18] <LjL> what's funny?
[21:19] <alex_112> good bye Linux,IRC hello XP,skype
[21:19] <LjL> bye
[21:19] <ikonia> ok
[21:19] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops alex_112
[21:24] <ikonia> I'm out, can't be bothered with timewasters or people who won't say "I don't know" and waste time
[21:31] <ikonia> channel ban list is full
[21:31] <ikonia> need to do tidy up
[21:31] <Flannel> I'm cleaning by bans now
[21:32] <RNS]KGpV> my bans are all less then a month old except for ones on idents or obviously static hosts
[21:33] <ikonia> yup, I'll housekeep too
[21:33] <ikonia> @btlogin
[21:34] <Flannel> Can you only do four bans per line? -bbbb? 
[21:35] <Flannel> Don't do that, heh
[21:36] <ikonia> ;)
[21:36] <LjL> Flannel: yes, only four
[21:36] <LjL> i put a space between *!*@ and the rest...
[21:36] <Flannel> heh
[21:40] <ikonia> moron just comes in to quote apache 1.3 directives at me, he's uing apache 2
[21:40] <ikonia> thinks he's clever with it
[21:41] <Flannel> alright, mine are good.
[21:41] <ikonia> almost done
[21:41] <ikonia> got a few lingerers which I don't want to remove
[21:42] <Flannel> yeah, Ive got some that are just too recent to remove
[21:42] <ikonia> I've got one's which are too bad / trouble to remove
[21:44] <LjL> don't remove them then
[21:44] <LjL> there are also a lot of bans by floodbots
[21:45] <ikonia> tidied up
[21:45] <LjL> they can fall into two categories, CTCPers and exploiters
[21:45] <ikonia> got rid of a god 20 - 30 
[21:45] <ikonia> actually - 20 
[22:05] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-dz, Off` said: !foo is foo
[22:08] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-dz, amarsoft said: !no, foo is foo
[22:10] <LjL> gah
[23:07] <_Zeus_> is the nickname HardPhuck acceptable?
[23:12] <_Zeus_> hello..?
[23:18] <_Zeus_> do i need +v?
[23:18] <Myrtti> no
[23:18] <Myrtti> and you're not getting it
[23:18] <Myrtti> :-P
[23:19]  * Myrtti pokes people awake
[23:19] <_Zeus_> ok, cause no one answered my previous question
[23:19] <_Zeus_> is the nickname HardPhuck OK?
[23:22] <Myrtti> if it troubles you, you could have asked him to change it like I just did
[23:22] <_Zeus_> i didn't want to overstep my bounds
[23:22] <Myrtti> silly
[23:23] <Myrtti> you have the right and powers to ask them to change it as do I
[23:53] <Myrtti> _Zeus_: was there anything else?