[00:29] <Menacemonster> Hey
[00:29] <Menacemonster> Can anyone help me with an install ?
[00:30] <Menacemonster> i'm kinda a newb lol
[00:31] <Menacemonster> is anyone here ?
[00:33] <Menacemonster> hi is anyone here ?
[01:18] <mooch> Enter text here...hello has anyone seen vidd?
[03:52] <privet_> in the networkmanager applet: how do I make it see my mobile phone as "broadband connection"?
[03:52] <privet_> *mobile broadband
[06:06] <nintendork32> what version of xubutnu do you recommend
[06:06] <nintendork32> i heard ibex isnt that stable
[06:06] <nintendork32> intrepid ibex*
[06:10] <nintendork32> i also need help chosing which version
[06:11] <nintendork32> choosing
[06:11] <nintendork32> its a athlon
[06:11] <nintendork32> i want 64-bit i believe
[07:05] <nintendork32> i need help
[07:06] <nintendork32> on the alternate installation cd is it the cd ONLY that requires 64MB of ram or the install afterwards too?
[17:06] <nat2610> Hey, I lost my panels and don't know how to get them back on xfce ... I went into xfce setting manager -> panel but nothing appear is it normal ?
[17:06] <vidd> nat2610, open a terminal and type xfce4-panels
[17:07] <vidd> xfce4-panel (no trailing "s")
[17:08] <nat2610> vidd, cool it's back
[17:08] <nat2610> do I have to do something else now ? or at the next boot it will be still there ?
[17:09] <vidd> make sure you save your session when you exit
[17:09] <vidd> or, remove all your saved sessions =]
[17:09]  * vidd hates the "save session" being auto selected
[17:10] <nat2610> where do you save your session
[17:10] <nat2610> ?
[17:10]  * vidd doesnt
[17:10] <nat2610> because I just closed the term even if I run xfce4-panel & it still close the process if I close the termnial
[17:11] <dcolish> nat2610: run it like this: xfce4-panel > /dev/null 2>&1 &
[17:12] <nat2610> dcolish, sweet
[17:14] <nat2610> cool it's working well now ... I restarted ... and the panel where still their thanks for your help
[17:14] <nat2610> s/their/there
[17:15] <dcolish> not a problem
[17:52] <nintendork32> is there a i636 version of ubuntu?
[17:52] <nintendork32> xubuntu*
[18:06] <dcolish> i636 is i386
[19:29] <nintendork32> ok, i am trying to install xubuntu on a system, GRUB or LILO won't install, should i select the option continue without bootloader?
[19:31] <vidd> nintendork32, no
[19:31] <vidd> why does it not install grub?
[19:31] <TheSheep> .oO( antivirus protection of boot sector in BIOS? )
[19:32] <nintendork32> vidd: it says there is an error
[19:32] <vidd> what does the error say?
[19:32] <nintendork32> idk
[19:32] <nintendork32> brb let me see
[19:34] <nintendork32> okay, it says GRUB could not install to /target/, without the GRUB bootloader the system will not boot
[19:35] <nintendork32> vidd:^^
[19:36] <nintendork32> vidd LILO has error code -1
[19:36] <vidd> nintendork32, how much hd space ya got? and what type of installer are you using??
[19:36] <nintendork32> vidd: i think maybe 20GB and using alternate
[19:37] <vidd> did you manually configure partitions, use the entire drive, or make room?
[19:37] <nintendork32> i did the "use entire disk space"
[19:38] <vidd> ok...how much room was on that disk space?
[19:38] <l_r> Questio for experts: do you know whether xUbuntu, once installed on hardisk, preserves the automatic hardware configuration? that is, does the livecd behaviour remain unchanged after it's installed on hd?
[19:38] <nintendork32> vidd: 20GB
[19:39] <nintendork32> ill also ask on #grub
[19:39] <vidd> l_r, no
[19:39] <vidd> l_r, you want the alt cd if you need to pass configurations to your kernel
[19:39] <vidd> nintendork32, go back to the partitions....
[19:40] <vidd> i want to know what your partition table looks like
[19:40] <nintendork32> let me ask on grub first
[19:40] <nintendork32> brb
[19:41] <vidd> fine...i wont help
[19:41] <nintendork32> ok what tables should i have
[19:41] <vidd> they wont be able to either
[19:41] <nintendork32> O..o
[19:41] <nintendork32> come on,,,,
[19:41] <vidd> the issue is a "cant write" error...noty a grub configuration error
[19:41] <nintendork32> ok what should i do?
[19:42] <nintendork32> what should the table look like?
[19:42] <vidd> tell it to not continue so you get knocked into the menu
[19:42] <nintendork32> ok im already there
[19:42] <vidd> go to the "partitioning" section
[19:42] <nintendork32> ok
[19:42] <vidd> click the "manual"
[19:43] <nintendork32> ok
[19:43] <vidd> tell me waht partitions are here and how big they are
[19:43] <nintendork32> ok brb
[19:45] <nintendork32> ok it has sda1 as ext3
[19:45] <nintendork32> it has sda2 as swap
[19:45] <nintendork32> oh sda1 is logical
[19:45]  * vidd notices that no sizes were mentiond]
[19:45] <nintendork32> oh
[19:45] <nintendork32> brb
[19:46] <nintendork32> sda1 is 19.7GB
[19:47] <vidd> does it have the -b on that line?
[19:47] <nintendork32> uhm how would it look?
[19:47] <nintendork32> 19.7GB -b?
[19:48] <vidd> something like that....i dont have that screen up myself
[19:49] <nintendork32> 19.7GB B F ext3
[19:49] <nintendork32> thats how it looks
[19:49] <vidd> so it does have the -b option
[19:49] <vidd> good
[19:49] <vidd> how large is swap?
[19:49] <nintendork32> the rest of 20AGB
[19:49] <nintendork32> 20GB*
[19:50] <nintendork32> which is about 325GB
[19:50] <nintendork32> 325MB*
[19:50] <vidd> HOW LARGE IS SWAP according to the partitioner?
[19:50] <vidd> this isnt rocket science!
[19:50] <nintendork32> about 325MB brb let me see the exact
[19:51] <nintendork32> 370.1MB
[19:52] <vidd> what kind of system are you installing on? (hp, compaq, emachine, gateway) and how old is the bios?
[19:52] <nintendork32> a old windows ME compaq
[19:52] <vidd> ok.....
[19:52] <nintendork32> with 125MB of ram
[19:52] <vidd> you have a setting in the bios for "antivirus"
[19:53] <vidd> you need to disable it
[19:53] <nintendork32> idk how?
[19:53] <vidd> basically, it is protecting the Master Boot Record
[19:53] <nintendork32> so go to the setup?
[19:53] <vidd> you restart the machine and enter the bios
[19:53] <nintendork32> ok
[19:54] <vidd> find the setting in there that says something along the line of "protect MBR" or "prevent overwriting" or some such stuff
[19:55] <vidd> 'round the time of Win ME was when boot-sector viruses were prevelant
[19:55] <vidd> compaq, dell, and gateway added "dont remove M$" code into the bioses of most of thier machines
[19:56] <nintendork32> ok
[19:56] <vidd> unfortunantly, you will have to re-do your install
[19:57] <vidd> you *MIGHT* be able to get back to the install menu and skip ahead to the "install bootloader" section....but dont hold your breath =]
[19:58] <nintendork32> i cant find the section
[19:59] <nintendork32> what category would it be?
[19:59] <nintendork32> security just has something to set up a password
[19:59] <openstep> hi
[19:59] <nintendork32> hi opensteb
[19:59] <nintendork32> openstep*
[19:59] <nintendork32> vidd: any ideas?
[20:00] <openstep> are you devs here?
[20:00] <openstep> I would need some help with xfce
[20:00] <nintendork32> i can code some, but this isnt the channel for it
[20:00] <vidd> openstep, what help?
[20:01] <openstep> Well I am about to deploy an LTSP setup in a school and would like to
[20:01] <openstep> use XFCE as desktop.
[20:01] <openstep> What I would like to do is to make a unified setup for all users, so
[20:01] <openstep> when they mess it up at the next login they get it back the default
[20:01] <openstep> one.
[20:01] <openstep> I looked around the
[20:01] <openstep> http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-kiosk-mode,
[20:01] <openstep> but the is not enough.
[20:01] <vidd> nintendork32, i would recomend googling the bios of the system for the settings.....there are so many
[20:01] <nintendork32> my computer model?
[20:01] <vidd> nintendork32, yes
[20:03] <vidd> openstep, the entire point of a ltsp set-up is so that your desktop does NOT get overwritten on logout
[20:03]  * nintendork32 looks for "presario"
[20:03] <vidd> nintendork32, presario-what?
[20:03] <nintendork32> speacial edition, my model
[20:04] <openstep> I am aware of it
[20:04] <openstep> but still that is what I need
[20:05] <openstep> like a kiosk
[20:05] <vidd> openstep,  i would not be the one to ask =[
[20:08] <openstep> thanks :)
[20:08] <openstep> see you
[20:09]  * nintendork32 cant find anything
[20:09] <vidd> nintendork32, what does it say the bios is?
[20:10] <vidd> or, what model is your compaq?
[20:10] <nintendork32> it just has the compaq logo and i started pressing all of the f4's then the setup came up\
[20:10] <nintendork32> presario speacial edition
[20:11] <vidd> there should be a modle number.....
[20:11] <vidd> is this a laptop or a desktop?
[20:11] <nintendork32> or you mean techy name lik Q-6G4J7H6
[20:11] <nintendork32> desktop
[20:11] <vidd> yeah...the modle #
[20:11] <nintendork32> ok
[20:11] <nintendork32> brb
[20:13] <nintendork32> 470004-759 US
[20:14] <nintendork32> 7000 series
[20:15] <vidd> please bare with me.......
[20:17] <nintendork32> ?
[20:17] <nintendork32> what?
[20:17] <vidd> ok....what bios options do you have?
[20:17]  * nintendork32 sighs
[20:17] <nintendork32> idk
[20:17] <nintendork32> this is getting tiring
[20:17] <nintendork32> that computer is in the basement, this one is upstairs....
[20:18]  * nintendork32 runs down the stairs
[20:18] <vidd> why not have them side-by-side?
[20:19] <nintendork32> i have Main, storage, security, advanced
[20:19] <nintendork32> security just has passwords though
[20:19] <nintendork32> asks to set one
[20:19] <vidd> advanced....
[20:20] <nintendork32> ok
[20:22] <nintendork32> pci, bus, device stuff
[20:22] <nintendork32> and this safe boot and power thing
[20:22] <vidd> safe boot needs to be off
[20:22] <nintendork32> ok
[20:24] <nintendork32> actually that says "Power on self test"
[20:24] <nintendork32> forgot them
[20:24] <nintendork32> and some power loss thing
[20:25] <vidd> no...thats not is
[20:26] <nintendork32> so what else should i choose?
[20:27] <vidd> one of these pages has something about "boot security" or "hard drive security" or "antivirus" or something like that
[20:30] <vidd> i havent had one of these systems in forever...so i dont know exactly where in the bios it is, or what the exact verbage is
[20:31] <vidd> but there is some kind of hard drive "security" which wont let anything write to the boot secter....which is where grub needs to be
[20:33] <nintendork32> there isnt ANYTHING about it
[20:34] <nintendork32> i looked
[20:34] <nintendork32> think i should try GRUB again?
[20:35] <vidd> you would need to redo the entire install again
[20:35] <vidd> try doing the cli-only install
[20:35] <vidd> (only because its faster)
[20:36] <vidd> you can sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop once it successfully boots
[20:37] <nintendork32> screw it
[20:37] <nintendork32> i give up
[20:38] <vidd> nintendork32, the issue is one of 2 things.....
[20:38] <nintendork32> what?
[20:38] <vidd> based on the age of the machine, i would suspect that the bios has some "write protect" setting.....
[20:38] <vidd> the other is a damaged or full HD
[20:39] <nintendork32> i bet damage
[20:39] <vidd> unfortunantly, i cant find the security setting
[20:39] <nintendork32> hard drive has been messed up
[20:39] <vidd> nintendork32, did windows work?
[20:39] <nintendork32> got the bsod
[20:39] <nintendork32> was on the internet with NOTHING attached
[20:39] <vidd> hrm...then perhaps, you should low-lvl format it
[20:40] <nintendork32> before
[20:40] <nintendork32> no wifi card even
[20:40] <nintendork32> its all messed up
[20:40] <nintendork32> ill probably grab a new hdd
[20:41] <vidd> if a new HDD installs without issue, then it was a bad hd....
[20:41] <vidd> what you can try....
[20:41] <vidd> set up the partitioning as follows:
[20:42] <vidd> delete are partitions
[20:42] <nintendork32> nah
[20:42] <nintendork32> i give up
[20:51] <Mark__1> I want a xinitrc file
[20:52] <Mark__1> Anyone know where I can find one I haven't hacked to pieces?
[20:53] <Mark__1> And DON'T accuse me of flooding or spamming
[20:53] <Mark__1> I'm just asking a simple question
[20:54] <Mark__1> #>:o
[20:54] <vidd> Mark__1, the easiest way to get a "fresh" on is to simply delete the one you have....a new once should get written for you when you log in again
[20:55] <Mark__1> The one in /etc/etc and the one in my home folder?
[20:55] <vidd> Mark__1, you hacked up the one in /etc?
[20:55] <Mark__1> Yeah :(
[20:55] <Mark__1> I was trying to get lxde to run from slim :(
[20:55] <vidd> ok...that makes it slightly more difficult....
[20:56] <Mark__1> Oh dear :(
[20:56] <vidd> only slightly....=]
[20:56] <Mark__1> Phew
[20:56] <vidd> first, remove both files.....
[20:56] <Mark__1> Okay. Lemme do that now
[20:56] <vidd> then kill slim
[20:57] <vidd> then sudo apt-get remove --purge slim && sudo apt-get install slim
[20:57] <vidd> however....i personally recommend just using gdm with lxde
[20:59] <vidd> if you autoremove --purge xorg, then you can apt-get install lxde, reboot, and enjoy
[20:59] <vidd> a severly hacked-down lxde is in the default repos
[20:59] <Mark__1> I need to log out of the session first, don't I ;)
[21:00] <vidd> you will....but let me give you all the info you need first
[21:00] <Mark__1> Isn't xorg the display manager?
[21:00] <Mark__1> K
[21:00] <vidd> will you be trashing all your xorg and doing the default *buntu lxde?
[21:00] <vidd> no...xorg is what the manager runs on
[21:01] <Mark__1> I'd like to keep everything I have but be able to log into an lxde session with slim
[21:01] <vidd> =] its a level or two below the manager
[21:01] <Mark__1> GDM just seems a bit heavy for it
[21:02] <vidd> then just log out, kill slim, and from terminal run "sudo apt-get remove --purge slim && sudo apt-get install slim"
[21:02] <Mark__1> K
[21:02] <vidd> *from tty*
[21:02] <Mark__1> See you later
[21:02] <vidd> please keep one thing in mind....
[21:02] <Mark__1> Yes?
[21:03] <vidd> you MUST have HAL installed in order for the keyboard and mouse to work
[21:03] <Mark__1> I do
[21:03] <vidd> also, you will need to edit your slim.conf file
[21:03] <Mark__1> Can we talk about that when I get back?
[21:04] <vidd> by defualt, alot of your PATH's are missing
[21:04] <vidd> i want to make sure you GET back =]
[21:04] <Mark__1> :)
[21:04] <Mark__1> So what do I need to put in slim.conf?
[21:04] <vidd> we can discuss that later.....
[21:05] <vidd> but for now.....
[21:05] <vidd> you will want to open stuff via the terminal....
[21:05] <Mark__1> Yeah
[21:05] <Mark__1> I hope the terminal remembers all this
[21:05] <vidd> so this way, you will get "/sbin/blah, blah, blah, is not in your PATH.....instead of the app just not opening
[21:06] <vidd> if you get something like that, then add the full path (like /sbin/xchat)
[21:06] <vidd> to launch the app
[21:07] <vidd> =]
[21:07] <Mark__1> Okay
[21:07] <vidd> simple stuff.....
[21:07] <vidd> see ya on the flip-side
[21:07] <vidd> =]
[21:07] <Mark__1> Bye for now
[21:09] <R1cochet> is there a way to create my own "user interface theme"?
[21:12] <Mark__1> I just remembered. I'm not using slim right now so I don't need to log out
[21:15] <Mark__1> Drat. The logs end at 9:01pm
[21:19] <Mark__1> Oh well. Here goes
[21:36] <R1cochet> is there a way to create my own "user interface" theme?
[21:36] <vidd> R1cochet, yes...there is
[21:43] <R1cochet> thank you vidd
[21:43] <R1cochet> how would i go about it?
[21:43] <vidd> no idea
[21:43] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ cool thank you
[21:44] <vidd> but in linux EVERYTHING is customizable
[21:45] <R1cochet> and stable :)
[22:31] <medfly> hey!
[22:31] <medfly> i have xubuntu 8.04 on my computer... i'm missing /sbin/init so it boots me into busybox... can anyone be kind and tel me what that file should contain so i will add that (somehow) ?
[22:33] <TheSheep> medfly: it boots into busybox because it fails to mount your hard disk as /
[22:33] <medfly> oh...
[22:33] <TheSheep> medfly: run 'mount' to see that it's not mounted
[22:33] <TheSheep> medfly: run 'dmesg' to see why
[22:34] <medfly> okay.. hmm...
[22:35] <medfly> well, i don't see anything special on dmegs, but it its not mounted.
[22:41] <TheSheep> is there anything special about this install?
[22:41] <TheSheep> did you for example install it on a different box, and replace the hdd?
[22:41] <medfly> well, it worked before
[22:41] <medfly> and... i uninstalled a bunch of stuff, that may have been a bad idea to uninstall...
[22:41] <TheSheep> before what exactly?
[22:42] <TheSheep> ah
[22:42] <medfly> a few hours later it had some trouble, so i restarted it, and it just went to busybox.
[22:42] <TheSheep> you can try pressing esc at boot and trying an older kernel
[22:42] <medfly> oh, i did try that, but it had the same outcome.
[22:43] <medfly> it does say something about /sbin/init. i told it not to be quiet and tell me about its troubles ;)
[22:43] <TheSheep> then I guess you have to boot it from cd, mount your / partition, chroot into it and install the missing package
[22:43] <medfly> oh...
[22:44] <TheSheep> wait
[22:44] <TheSheep> maybe you will be able to just mount /
[22:44] <TheSheep> from busybox
[22:45] <medfly> oh... well, i tried, but i only have console on /dev
[22:46] <medfly> haha. i got what i thought is an empty cd to burn onto, and it has xubuntu on it!
[22:46]  * medfly tries that :)
[22:55] <medfly> that was a pleasant surprise, but it didn't work.
[22:55] <medfly> getting the package
[22:56] <medfly> i am going to just try to install it again :)
[23:35] <retour> How to enter mode where I can manually enter type of monitor and max refresh rate etc?