/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/11/23/#ubuntu-ops.txt

manzurgood night, i was banned from #ubuntu-offtopic00:09
manzurand i jjust want to know why?00:18
Flannelmanzur: your ident (jesus) is what caused chanserv to ban you.  If you change it, you'll be able to get in.00:19
manzurFlannel: why man?00:23
Flannelmanzur: manzur because unfortunately its commonly used by people who are looking to cause trouble00:24
manzurFlannel: yes?, about what?00:28
manzurFlannel: y si le coloco God?, puedo?00:30
manzurFlannel: and if I change it by "God"?, can i do it?00:31
manzuror somethin related to god?00:31
Flannelmanzur: If you're looking to cause problems, don't.00:32
manzurEnmanuel?00:32
manzurof courese not00:32
manzurnever 00:32
manzuriam christian00:32
manzurjjust that00:32
manzuri would never cause problem00:32
manzurcan i change to Emanuel, is that ok?00:34
Flannelmanzur: sure00:34
manzurok00:34
manzurgod bless you man00:35
manzurbye00:35
manzurand thanks00:35
elkbuntuok, doesnt that count as taking the name in vain?00:55
FlannelI'm staying out of it00:55
* nickrud wonders about hispanics name Jesus00:58
nickrud*named00:58
Flannelnickrud: yeah, thats what someone said.  Which is one reason I mentioned it.  Except... he was obviously choosing it for other reasons00:59
nickrudno one's ever up to any good on -offtopic (just as broad a brush ;)01:00
elkbuntuso whats the current status on God_? have they been back again?01:09
LjLdunno01:09
LjLnickrud: yes indeed, i bitched once against a ban on *!*jesus@*01:09
LjLi'm not a fan of overly broad bans01:10
elkbuntuunfortunately it's one that's proved it's worth over and over01:10
nickrudthat is a very sad commentary elkbuntu 01:12
LjLstill.01:12
elkbuntunickrud, bigfuzzyjesus, methjesus, others01:12
LjLif i was banned on the grounds of my real name, i would be pissed.01:12
LjLjust like i'm pissed when i find *.it banned from channels01:12
nickrudsorry, not sorry of you to say, but a sad situation to have to comment on01:12
elkbuntuyeah01:13
elkbuntuugh costco's back?01:14
LjLnickrud: anyway -ot isn't so bad as you picture it...01:14
elkbuntuyeah, there's very little actual intent01:15
nickrudit was pure hyperbole, an example of how a broad brush can be fundamentally unfair. Sadly, sometimes unfairness is the only solution to some situations. Until irc bots can determine a real real name, for example. LjL, get on the stick!01:16
LjLwell while we wait for the bots, i say01:16
LjLthose who are irc trolls, know how to change their name01:16
LjLthose who were just born with Jesus as a first name, probably don't01:17
LjLand excuse the inappropriate use of commas01:17
elkbunturight, can someone other than i judge whether costco needs a warning?01:20
LjLelkbuntu, although i'm too distracted to read very carefully, as of now i don't see anything too bad01:21
LjLalthough it smells like a troll from a mile away01:21
elkbuntuyeah, it's not so much the topic, as the manner01:21
elkbuntuand he is, he and netyire are the new pseudotrolls of -ot01:22
LjLelkbuntu: yes. but we should keep in mind we aren't supposed to just kick folks we don't like purely out of not liking them01:22
elkbuntuand __mikem... well... is proof we probably wont.01:22
* elkbuntu sighs01:22
LjL(otherwise... i know a couple of fellows who never would have seen -ot in the past years)01:22
LjLelkbuntu: erm, i didn't want to have that logged, but.01:23
elkbuntuit's been logged a zillion times before01:23
LjLelkbuntu: well, not with my nickname stuck to it ;)01:23
nickrudLjL, as long as you make sure the preceeding line is always included, it simply shows your tolerance :)01:24
elkbuntui'm happy to have mine stuck to it. he's a pest and is involved in a way-too-high percentage of bad things.01:24
LjLnickrud, what the hell is nickk doing01:45
nickrudnot sure, but I'm patient. If he stops, he stops.01:45
LjLnickrud, but you know what's interesting...01:46
nickrud>01:46
LjLnickrud: join -monitor a minute01:46
nickrud-ops-monitor or -monitor?01:49
LjLnickrud: the former01:49
nickrudhm, i was the only one there01:49
LjLnickrud, #ubuntu-ops-monitor01:49
LjLyou won't be the only one there01:49
nickrudit tells me I'm not authorized01:50
LjLnickrud: oh, you need a +I01:50
nickrudno speekee there01:52
LjLi think i'll just leave that mute dangling for now.01:55
LjLFraSydney: how can we help you?02:02
LjLhello...? i was kidding, but you aren't even looking02:03
LjLelkbuntu, guess who the above idler is02:04
elkbuntuLjL, checking now02:04
LjLelkbuntu: i'll spare you the trouble, it's just my sister downunder-version02:05
FraSydneyhello!!! I don't have any idea of what this channel is about :D02:05
elkbuntuah02:05
LjLFraSydney: unsurprising02:05
elkbuntuthis is where your brother wastes all his spare time.02:05
* LjL confirms02:06
FraSydneyeheh I knew that02:06
FraSydneyyou can say also time02:06
LjLwell you didn't know what it was called02:06
FraSydneywithout spare02:06
LjLwell, that's just because all my time is spare time, nuffin wrong with that02:06
LjLis there02:06
elkbuntudepends how healthy your bank account is, i guess02:07
LjLor my parents'02:07
elkbuntumeh, you're as old as me, you shouldnt be sponging your folks anymore :P02:07
LjL"shouldn't" is such a debatable word :P02:07
* nickrud thinks children never stop mooching ;(02:08
LjLelkbuntu: i mean, it's not like, i'm, say, spending their money to go to australian02:08
LjL-n02:08
* LjL hopes that wasn't understood02:08
elkbuntuhehe02:08
elkbuntuFraSydney, so how are you liking Australia?02:08
FraSydneyyep02:09
FraSydneybut today the weather sucks in Sydeny02:09
FraSydneysydney02:09
LjL"how are you *ing" isn't a yes/no question02:09
FraSydneysaushauhsu sorry02:09
elkbuntuhehe02:09
LjLFraSydney: anyway i think we should just /query in english to begin with. "how do you like that?"02:13
LjLnot very, i guess02:20
* LjL reaches the bed02:20
bazhangsomeone should take a look at -ot; |_ocke and costco02:45
* bazhang wonders why this seems to be the case *every* weekend02:45
elkbuntubecause we're stupid enough to allow it every weekend02:55
elkbuntusuch mean cruel draconian ops, we are02:55
elkbuntugrrr.. it forgot to identify?03:36
elkbuntuit worked yesterday03:36
elkbuntuno, it's identified. just not until after joining. lame.03:40
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)03:57
naliothtaken care of03:58
nalioth(for now)03:58
elkbuntunalioth, feel like scaring some offtopicers?04:08
naliothelkbuntu: how so?04:11
tritiumMaybe I could tolerate -offtopic more if it could stick to ubuntu-related topics.  Last time I popped in, it was an Obama propaganda room.04:27
naliothtritium: you hold an +o there, i believe04:28
tritiumnalioth: I do.04:28
naliothso make it so04:28
elkbuntunalioth, not everyone wants to go through an hour of crap for a minute of correct topic.04:28
tritiumnalioth: I honestly can't tolerate the juvenile nonsense for very long.04:30
__mikemlook I don't know whats going on, but naltioht just banned me for absolutely nothing and will not unban me04:31
tritiumIf it were me, I'd just shut down the entire channel.04:31
tritiumThere are other places for offtopic discussion to take place.  Ubuntu doesn't need to provide a forum for such nonsense..04:31
wobblywutritium, are you in -offtopic much?04:32
tritiumwobblywu: no, I cannot stand it04:32
elkbuntu__mikem, i've already explained that it's for repeating the same thing that got dmsuperman banned. laughing at someone getting banned is rude.04:32
wobblywutritium, ah I see.. isn't that a bit weird, then?04:32
__mikemelkbuntu: that was a joke, and right now dmsuperman is not banned04:32
tritiumwobblywu: isn't *what* a bit weird?04:32
wobblywuelkbuntu, we joke around like that in there all the time, we're all regulars and know when others are joking04:32
elkbuntuwobblywu, no, there's lots of people who will not go there, because of the bad behaviour in general.04:32
wobblywutritium, you not being in -offtopic yet disliking it and wanting it closed04:33
__mikemthis is absurd04:33
nalioth__mikem: dsuperman did not PM me04:33
tritiumwobblywu: no, I experience if enough to know why I dislike it.04:33
wobblywutritium, for the record, we do have quite a few regulars in there, many of them active in #ubuntu as well04:33
wobblywutritium, they talk in there a lot, so they seem to like it there04:33
tritiumwobblywu: that doesn't change my opinion.04:34
__mikemnalioth: seriously, what you just did was arbitrary, and unfair04:34
wobblywutritium, of course that doesn't mean you should like it, but I do not see why you should complain about it if you're not in there to begin with04:34
__mikemwhat I did was not in violation of any rules04:34
elkbuntucertainly was not courteous.04:34
tritiumwobblywu: I'm there when an op is required04:34
wobblywutritium, which is at the worst of times04:34
wobblywutritium, no wonder you dislike the place04:34
tritiumwobblywu: no, I dislike the place for the juvenile nonsense04:35
wobblywutritium, what juvenile nonsense? you're not there, how would you know?04:35
naliothis there something concrete you guys need?04:35
naliothphilosophy is off topic here04:35
elkbuntuwobblywu, he cant stand being there even before the worst of times.04:35
__mikemnalioth: yes, i need to be unbanned04:35
nalioth__mikem: patience is a virtue04:35
__mikemnalioth: and i need an appology04:35
wobblywunalioth, he doesn't need an apology, but the ban surely wasn't very nice of you04:36
wobblywunalioth, I thought you were joking around at first :o04:36
tritiumwobblywu: juvenile nonsense like __mikem is displaying right now04:36
__mikemwhat am I doing wrong04:36
tritiumOr, the past several lines from netyire04:36
__mikemseiorusly04:36
wobblywutritium, he was just banned for no clear reason, I don't see why you must try and insult him04:36
__mikemand i am still not unbanned04:37
tritiumwobblywu: that's not an insult.  It's a statement of fact, identifying his behavior for what it is.04:37
nalioth__mikem: we don't unban on request04:37
__mikemnalioth: i didn't even do anything wrong04:37
elkbuntuwobblywu, it's clear to me. dmsuperman got banned because __mikem got banned. i then lifted mikem's ban and he was stupid enough to repeat dmsuperman's error.04:37
elkbuntuhence, mikem got the same treatment for the same act04:38
wobblywutritium, I find your behaviour to be somewhat juvenile at this very moment, if you do not mind my saying04:38
__mikemelkbuntu: I was just joking04:38
nalioth__mikem: nobody ever does.04:38
wobblywuelkbuntu, everyone thought those bans were in jest04:38
tritiumwobblywu: I don't mind at all.  You're free to your opinion.04:38
__mikemelkbuntu: I thought they were jokes04:38
wobblywuelkbuntu, as the ubuntu ops that are regulars in the channel do at times ban users as well, and then we all point and laugh in jest04:38
__mikemelkbuntu: i thought dmsuperman's ban was a joke04:38
wobblywuelkbuntu, had you been in the channel more often you most likely would've known that04:38
__mikemelkbuntu: my response was a joke04:39
__mikemelkbuntu: I thought nalioth's reban was a joke04:39
elkbuntuwobblywu, it's very very very rare that bans are done in jest. i certainly did not ban in jest today.04:39
wobblywuelkbuntu, in -offtopic it's reasonably common04:39
elkbuntuwobblywu, you laughing at a ban does not change it into a joke ban.04:39
elkbuntuas much as you may wish it did.04:40
wobblywuelkbuntu, you're missing the point entirely, i'm afraid04:40
elkbuntuno, you are.04:40
wobblywuelkbuntu, it's not uncommon for ops to ban users in -offtopic as a joke, for reasons such as the one you just had04:40
wobblywuelkbuntu, since this is common, and __mikem is a regular, he responded the way regulars often respond when something like this happens -- he laughed04:41
elkbuntuwe're sick and tired of being uncomfortable in -offtopic. the only reason i stay in there is to stop it turning into a 'have sex instead of rescuing iphones' bullcrap.04:41
wobblywuelkbuntu, had you been one of the regular ops in -offtopic this would've just been one of those "someone got banned, everyone laughed, it was all a joke" moments we often have04:41
elkbuntuwobblywu, i am one of the regular ops in -offtopic.04:41
wobblywuelkbuntu, many -offtopic regulars are sick and tired of you being so overly sensitive and willing to use your op powers more than necessary, as well -- so that doesn't get us very far04:41
wobblywuelkbuntu, you are not04:42
wobblywuelkbuntu, you speak only to tell others not to speak04:42
elkbuntuwobblywu, those regulars are welcome to go to #offtopic.04:42
wobblywuelkbuntu, a regular would be a user actually part of the tiny community there04:42
wobblywuelkbuntu, you seem to be missing the point of the channel (from the pov of many regulars) as well04:42
elkbuntuwobblywu, you mean like asking if anyone knows how to wrangle couriermail?04:42
elkbuntuor, talking about and from my e71?04:42
elkbuntuand hugging myrtti04:42
wobblywuelkbuntu, indeed04:43
elkbuntuoh forgive me, i shall cease the three above op actions immediately, since i do nothing but op actions04:43
__mikemwobblywu: can you talk to PriceChild, he seems to be in a more reasonable mood04:43
wobblywuelkbuntu, that's the spirit04:43
wobblywuelkbuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic is a place ubuntu-fans (and users from #ubuntu) come to talk about non-#ubuntu things, regardless of whether the channel is meant to be that or not04:43
nalioth__mikem: your ban will lapse within hours04:44
naliothwill there be anything else, __mikem ?04:44
__mikemnope04:44
=== robotgee1 is now known as robotgeek
dmsupermanErm...is there a reason __mikem is still muted in -offtopic?04:50
PriceChilddmsuperman: The issue has already been discussed with him.04:52
dmsupermanEh, alright04:52
elkbunturight, an hour later and i can go get tofu now. yay.05:03
jussi01Afternoon all05:25
jussi01everyone still asleep?05:47
stdinsleep is for the weak05:56
jussi01lol05:58
ubottuIn #ubuntu, dmsuperman said: !songbird is Songbird is a media management application, developed by Mozilla. http://getsongbird.com/06:37
Myrttioh wow06:42
* Myrtti feels it's better to stay out of -offtopic06:46
Myrttiand06:46
Myrttisince when has Songbird been developed by Mozilla?06:46
jussi01!info songbird06:56
ubottuPackage songbird does not exist in intrepid06:56
elkbuntuMyrtti, since they got a getblah domain probably07:02
elkbuntuomg, it is powered by mozilla...07:02
Myrttiit is07:15
Myrttibut it still isn't developed by Mozilla07:15
elkbuntuok, pertaining to jfgi, what is the verdict on letmegooglethatforyou.com?09:04
elkbuntuie http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=example09:06
jussi01elkbuntu: IMHO, meh... 09:10
jussi01I guess it depends how its used...09:11
elkbuntui made cauliflower and cheese sauce, then somehow curdled the cheese sauce :(09:11
jussi01hehe... 09:11
elkbuntunow it doesnt taste right :(09:12
jussi01how didyou manage that?09:12
elkbuntumicrowaved it after i combined, hoping it'd thicken up :(09:12
elkbuntuit didnt.09:12
jussi01hehe, well you wont do that again09:12
elkbuntuyeah09:12
DrDerekcould you guys get rid of LordKagar please09:35
DrDerekit's the guy from before.09:35
DrDerek'Stsshole'09:36
DrDerekStasshole*09:36
DrDerek21Cust226.tnt1.calgary.ab.da.uu.net09:36
elkbuntu@bansearch lordkagar09:39
ubottuNo matches found for lordkagar!i=peterson@21cust226.tnt1.calgary.ab.da.uu.net in any channel09:39
elkbuntu@btlogin09:40
ubottuIn #ubuntu, fde said: !tor is also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR09:57
jussi01!tor10:00
ubottuMany Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks10:00
fdeAnyone awake atm? r0ach in #ubuntu needs some attn... he is asking grub questions, but doesn't have Ubuntu or any other linux distro installed... he has been asked to take it to #grub, but won't10:38
fdeNevermind, I guess he's finally going to stop10:38
ubottuIn #ubuntu, fde said: !eeepc is also if you need more assistance, you can try #ubuntu-eeepc10:45
elkbuntuahrm... why did my phone just restart?10:57
elkbuntuMyrtti? why would my phone restart itself?10:59
Myrttielkbuntu: which apps did you have on?11:21
elkbuntujust mirggi11:23
elkbuntuthe only exploity thing that restarts that i can find info about is bluetooth11:24
Myrttiyeah, mirggi does crash the phone11:26
elkbuntuoh11:26
elkbuntu:(11:27
elkbuntui wasnt using it, it was just idling11:27
Myrttisadly it is *still* the best irc app11:27
MyrttiiI know11:27
elkbuntuseems i have used 6.79mb of internet so far11:31
jpdsHey, what's up in #u?11:36
Myrttilooking11:38
elkbuntustudents warned but * d0netsFN (i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org) has joined #ubuntu might warrant some adult supervision11:40
FlannelHe was previously k-lined?11:46
elkbuntuno, but that hostmask does not promise much11:47
elkbuntuMyrtti, how do i get a stopwatch on my phone? i mean, i dont think i've ever had a phone that did not have one...11:47
Garyelkbuntu: I needs one on my wm phone too11:48
Flannelelkbuntu: my lastlog shows him previously klined11:48
Flannel16:03 -!- d0netsFN [i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org] has quit [K-lined]11:48
Flannel(its currently 3:48, my time)11:48
elkbuntuFlannel, well that's gary's business more than ours ;)11:48
Flannelright11:48
elkbuntuthere's more ways to get klined than mess with us :P11:49
elkbuntuMyrtti, please tell me there's a stopwatch on here somewhere...11:49
Myrttihm, there doesn't seem to be one by default11:52
Myrttibut http://www.tevero.no/espace/stopwatch/ seems to be having lots of good reviews11:52
elkbuntuthat is sad... i remember way back when it was like the most awesome tool to have in a phone... that and a calculator11:54
elkbuntuthat was like the crux of sophistication... a phone that could DO STUFF11:54
Myrttiwell11:57
Myrttithe sports tracker does have stopwatch11:57
elkbuntusports tracker?12:06
Myrttihttp://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/main/index.do12:07
elkbuntuoh. that looks... overboard12:08
elkbuntuMyrtti, btw, the amora package doesnt work in ibex, since it wants libbluetooth2 and ibex has libbluetooth312:15
Myrttibwah12:15
MyrttiI just compile it myself anyway...12:18
Myrttias they don't have the x86_6412:20
jussi01err, whats the stance on this? http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=Ubuntu+Tweak 12:42
Myrttioh dear god12:44
elkbuntufirstly, its at getdeb...12:45
jussi01elkbuntu: yeah...12:45
elkbuntusomeone got a VM to trash with it?12:46
jussi01just got a guy in #k (holyguyver) telling people to use stuff from there... anyway, Im sleepy, so someone may want to look into #k12:46
jussi01anyway, nini12:47
elkbuntuMyrtti, is it worth getting a different browser, or just using the inbuilt one?12:47
Myrttimany of my friends use opera mini, but I just use the inbuilt one12:48
Myrttiyou might want to try skyfire... *shrug*12:48
elkbuntuwhat's the diff between opera mini and opera mobile?12:53
elkbuntuhold on, opera mobile costs moniez?12:55
Myrttiyup13:00
elkbuntuthat's lame13:00
ikoniahi all13:02
elkbuntuhai13:03
Myrttilooks like we're having a blizzard13:07
Myrttielkbuntu: I'm trying to package the svn version13:35
Myrttielkbuntu: though knowing my skills this is going nowhere13:37
Tm_TMyrtti: 3 hours without electricity this morning13:48
Tm_Tno heating or anything <313:48
LjLgood thing we have oil-based heating.13:49
Tm_TLjL: we too, but the heat is spread in electric-depended way I noticed13:50
LjLugh13:50
LjLi often wished we had decent thermostat13:50
LjLbut perhaps on second thought, that wouldn't be such a good idea then13:50
manzurhello, my friend, again i am in here because i was banned from #ubuntu-es and #ubuntu-offtopic, but it was a mistake13:50
manzuri did13:50
LjLmanzur, we don't deal with #ubuntu-es here, but nevertheless... i don't see a ban on you there?13:51
manzurand in #ubuntu-offtopic?13:53
manzurLjL: 13:53
manzurit was just because i logged in as jesus13:53
ikoniaLjL: he's banned from #ubuntu13:54
LjLmanzur: ok but there is no ban on that in #ubuntu-es13:54
LjLikonia: that i know13:54
ikoniaah13:54
ikoniawasn't he meant to read the coc stuff and return in a day 13:55
LjLwait, no13:55
LjLyes13:56
ikoniaso after being told to read them he's getting banned from other channels for "mistakes"13:56
LjLikonia: but he's not13:56
ikoniaaccording to him13:56
LjLat least i can't see that13:56
ikoniadespite the fact that he's not actually13:56
LjLikonia: and for that matter, where's the ban in #u?13:57
ikoniaunamomento13:57
LjLikonia: i have a bt log from you but i don't see anything in the banlist13:57
LjLah, removed by flannel yesterday, you had indeed left a comment saying to remove the ban under certain circumstances13:58
ikoniaLjL: flannauel removed13:58
ikoniaflannel even13:58
LjLbut i think he also came here yesterday complaining about the -offtopic ban13:59
LjLwhich is not on him but generally on people with "jesus" in the ident13:59
ikoniato be honest, my opinion is to just ban him13:59
ikoniahe gets into much trouble or believes he does13:59
ikoniawhich just means he's just trolling/messing around13:59
LjLwe'll see, setting highlight...13:59
LjLi'm an -es op too technically13:59
ikoniayup13:59
ikoniahandy14:00
LjLalthough last time i kicked someone there was so much of a riot i was about to drop my privileges in disgust14:00
ikonianice to see the "!give" script guys have left it off14:00
ikoniaroit ?/?14:00
LjLikonia, you wouldn't know, that channel is hell14:01
ikoniain what way ?14:01
LjLikonia: complete anarchy, the ops barely exist, often behave in ways that would get them kicked themselves if they were in #ubuntu14:01
LjLikonia: for instance, when there was the "riot" i had banned someone for repeatedly saying to rm -rf /14:02
LjLikonia: everyone jumped at me, because apparently the guy was "merely" responding to a "troll"14:02
LjLwhich might very well have been the case, my spanish isn't good enough to follow everything14:02
LjLbut the fact that, in a support channel, you "respond to trolls" by giving them rm -rf /...14:02
LjLwell that should say everything14:02
ikoniamy personal opinion is what I said to elkbuntu about -ru, they are in an official channel, they need to represent ubuntu's policy which in that channel,14:02
Tm_TLjL: I think we need "trustworthy cops" there, then14:02
Tm_Tikonia: indeed, for some extent14:03
LjLTm_T: "we" who? #ubuntu-es is not under our direct jurisdiction14:03
Tm_TLjL: I know, we as "ubuntu community"14:03
LjLalright14:03
Tm_Twe are not closed islands14:03
ikoniabazhang seems to have made a difference in -ru so far14:03
LjLbut "we as the irc council", on the other hand, have been very much reluctant to meddle overly much in locos business14:03
ikoniafrom what I've read14:03
LjLwell i'm sorry to say i haven't in -es14:03
ikoniaLjL: locos represent ubuntu - I disagree on that14:04
Tm_TLjL: and that I do undestand14:04
LjLcannot be bothered enough, cannot read spanish enough, not enough patience14:04
ikoniathats a fair comment14:04
LjLi'm also an op in -it for that matter and barely ever used those privs14:04
LjLbut they're sane in -it14:04
Tm_TLjL: you can imagine what kind of dictator I'm on finnish channels =)14:05
* Tm_T does like to keep it clean, sometimes too clean14:06
LjLif there's a language i can't read, that's finnish - but yes, i can imagine nevertheless14:06
Myrttiand in Finnish channels we constantly remind people they represent Ubuntu14:09
Myrttiand should behave accordingly14:09
Tm_Taye14:09
Tm_TMyrtti: glad we have mjr too, gives some balance14:10
MyrttiI don't know about the rest of the ops, but personally I consider -fi channels responsible for two communties14:10
Myrttithe Finnish Ubuntu community and the Ubuntu IRC community14:10
Tm_TMyrtti: finnish and global? aye, agree on that14:10
Myrttiusually there isn't conflict14:10
Myrttiand I also have the habit of teaching and preaching everyone that they with their .fi TLD14:11
Tm_T(:14:11
Myrttis represent us Finns globally and should act accordingly14:11
Tm_TI feel that way too14:12
Tm_Tthough, I go even further, all humans represent humankind14:12
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MyrttiI don't understand the people who on purpose want to make themselves look like an ass14:13
Tm_TMyrtti: ...you saw my latest pic then?14:13
* Tm_T hides14:13
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* Myrtti shuts up and goes to have a shower14:13
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MyrttiTm_T: no, I didn't...?14:13
LjLmeh, what's with all the spaces14:13
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Tm_TMyrtti: "on purpose want to make themselves look like an ass"14:14
MyrttiTm_T: unless you meant the baby bath one14:14
Tm_TMyrtti: just joking on that though14:14
Myrttioh14:14
Myrttiperhaps it's just that IRC as a method of communication is so well established in Finland14:15
Tm_Tindeed14:15
Myrttibasically everyone knows the basic rules very fast14:15
Myrttianyway14:16
MyrttiI'm off to have that shower14:16
ikoniahow much / what weight is a USA "Stick of butter"14:24
LjLjrib: so what would be the currently supported way of installing flash anyway?14:24
LjLikonia: are you trying to win the weirdest question of the day award?14:24
ikoniastupid american instructions14:25
stdinikonia: go into the garden, find a stick, measure...14:25
LjLikonia: n the USA, 1 stick of butter is 4 ounces which is 115 grams.14:25
stdin;)14:25
ikoniaawesome14:25
ikoniaLjL: your multi-nationalism is most impressive14:26
LjLikonia, err no, i just put "usa stick of butter" into google and pasted the first hit14:26
ikoniaoh really, I did stick of butter weight and got crap14:26
ikoniaright, cooking time14:26
* ikonia bakes14:26
jribLjL: I'd say the repositories are recommended since that provides for automatic updates14:27
LjLjrib: but flashplugin-nonfree *does* still work?14:27
jribLjL: yes14:27
LjLjrib: and you get the same version as their .deb currently?14:27
jribLjL: don't know.  In hardy I think that's not the case.  Last time I checked, hardy only had flash 914:28
LjLjrib: paddy_eire says that .deb is in canonical's partner repos, in which case i'd say that should be the preferred way14:35
jribLjL: oh14:37
jribstill not for 64bit though14:38
LjLjrib: the !flash wiki doesn't even mention 8.10 right now14:38
LjLclient incoming15:05
NotADJOh my!15:06
LjLoh your15:07
NotADJMartinp23 is an op :O15:07
NotADJMay I be unbanned from #ubuntu ?15:07
LjLNotADJ, i'd like to know first why you behaved like that15:09
NotADJLjL: Can you pastebin the conversation?15:10
LjLsure, moment15:11
NotADJThank you.15:11
LjLNotADJ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/75985/15:13
NotADJLjL: Well, the "Can I haz ops" was a joke. Secondly, !_ops was an accident. I didn't know what it did. 15:14
Myrttiha      ha.15:14
NotADJBut if you look, I was a positive contributor in the channel.15:14
LjLNotADJ: ok, you need to keep something well in mind though, #ubuntu is a very busy channel where there's no space for jokes and anything that's not Ubuntu support. about 1500 people in there.15:15
NotADJNot a troll.15:15
NotADJYes, I know.15:15
NotADJI actually typed it in the wrong channel :P15:15
ikoniawhich channel where you trying to do it in ?15:16
Myrttiif you don't know what a command means, check it first in /msg ubottu15:16
Myrttiikonia: that was #ubuntu15:16
ikoniano, if he did it in the wrong channel, which was he trying to do it in 15:16
Myrttidon't know what he wanted to try it in...15:16
ikoniaI'm asking.15:16
ikoniaNotADJ: which channel did you mean to type it in ?15:17
NotADJikonia: One on a different IRC network. I have a multi network irssi session.15:17
ikoniaso you meant to type can you have ops and then !ops in a different network15:17
ikoniajust so I'm clera15:17
NotADJikonia: Yes, actually.15:17
ikoniaclear15:17
ikoniaNotADJ: which channl on another network has the !ops command ?15:18
NotADJThey have 10+ bots in the chan.15:18
ikoniawhich one15:18
NotADJikonia: It was on ClueNet.15:18
ikoniawhich channel15:18
LjLis that where you get a clue?15:19
ikoniaif your in a channel, should be a 5 second job to tell me which channel you meant to type it in15:19
NotADJikonia: I am talking in more than one channel atm.15:19
ikoniaNotADJ: ok, which channel15:20
LjLNotADJ: yes, which channel did you try to do that in15:20
NotADJikonia: I PMed it to you.15:20
NotADJBut it is of little importance.15:20
NotADJLjL: 15:20
ikoniaNotADJ: #johnbot - or something15:20
NotADJYeah15:20
ikoniaNotADJ: then your not in that channel ?15:20
NotADJikonia: ?15:20
ikoniaNotADJ: how can you mean to type something in a channel your not in 15:21
ikoniaor don't know the name of15:21
NotADJikonia: I was in it at the time...15:21
ikoniathen why don't you know the name15:21
ikonia15:19 <NotADJ> I think it was #johnbot or something15:21
NotADJI haven't been on cluenet in a few days. I have a conflict w/ the admin?15:21
ikoniashocking15:22
NotADJikonia: ?15:22
ikoniawell your in a conflict with the owner of that channel, yet your making funny and triggering bots in his channel, so "shocking" you have a conflict15:22
NotADJikonia: Um, the ownerof that channel isn't the admin of the network.15:23
ikoniaok, even less shocking15:23
NotADJBut the topic has strayed.15:23
ikoniayes because I don't believe you15:23
ikoniaI wanted to find out more info15:23
NotADJI am friends with the owner of the channel.15:23
NotADJWe were testing bots...15:23
NotADJMay I be unbanned?15:24
NotADJikonia: ^?15:26
ikonianot my call, I didn't ban you15:26
NotADJAlright. LjL ^?15:26
LjLNotADJ, alright i want you to do something, namely read carefully enough the factoids i'm about to give you (and the contained links), and ping us when you're done, and tell us if you think you can respect them15:28
NotADJLjL: I respected them until then :D15:29
NotADJBut that was a misunderstanding.15:29
NotADJ:P15:29
NotADJBut yes, I eventually would Like to develop for ubuntu15:29
LjL!etiquette > NotADJ    (NotADJ, see the private message from ubottu)15:30
NotADJLjL: Will do!15:31
NotADJLjL: Done15:39
NotADJBBL15:44
NotADJBack15:49
NotADJStupid winbloze15:50
LjLNotADJ, do you think you can follow those rules and guidelines?15:51
NotADJLjL: Yes, I have always.15:53
LjLNotADJ: you can join15:56
NotADJLjL: Thank you.15:56
LjLi'll @mark in pm15:57
ikoniathink I see a bot16:00
LjLikonia: don't ban just yet please16:01
ikonianot doing, got him in pm trying to work out the trigger16:01
LjLikonia: /who phenny*16:02
ikoniayup16:02
LjLikonia: work out the triggers from the http page linked.16:02
LjLbut i want to investigate the TON of other such bots i see in /who16:03
LjLok they mostly seem legitimate16:03
ikoniagot it16:03
ikoniaI'm remove the phenny bot16:04
LjLthis one isn't, though16:04
LjLyes16:04
ikoniait quit when I banned it16:04
ikoniasomeone was controlling it16:04
LjLyes, clearly, but there's no one with that host16:05
ikoniayup16:05
ikoniafirst thing I checked16:05
LjLunless unless *shrug*16:05
ikoniaannoying16:05
ubottuIn ubottu, Craftsman said: runtu is working fluently...16:07
Myrttiruntu :-D16:10
LjLMyrtti: uRuntu! linuxen som är överallt runt på stan16:14
Tm_T.16:26
ryanakcaHmm... idbita is mumbling about god and the devil... supposedly it's a bot... any way to tell if it is? If it is, I suppose I should remove it?16:31
LjLryanakca: it is, period16:31
LjLnow changed realname16:32
LjLto hide the fact it's a bot16:32
ikoniagone16:32
ryanakcaLjL: ah, ok. Thanks ikonia :)16:32
Tm_Tryanakca: see how I did checked it? works all the time =)16:32
LjL!staff16:32
ubottuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could  use a bit of your time :)16:32
LjL| idbita is a bot (a "Phenny Palmersbot, http://inamidst.com/phenny/"), banned from #ubuntu. has now changed realname, and joined other channels (##linux, ##slackware, #debian, #kubuntu)16:32
ikoniabanned from #kubuntu now16:33
LjLsome sort of Markov bot, or otherwise a "random sentences" bot16:33
ryanakcaTm_T: ah :)16:33
Tm_Tryanakca: if answer is something else than "no way" then it's not a human16:34
ryanakcaTm_T: *nod*16:34
ikoniaI'll see if staff are available to check this, as it's a bit dubious16:46
Tm_TLjL: what's that?16:47
LjLTm_T: a dirty trick16:47
Tm_Tfor...16:47
ikoniadragging the owner in 16:48
LjLTm_T: to find out if the bot owner is who i think he is16:48
ikoniasee if he's on the same ip address16:48
Tm_TI see16:48
LjLikonia: you aren't missing a... beat are you ;)16:48
ikonianice16:48
bazhang@bansearch thunar116:53
ubottuNo matches found for thunar1!*@* in any channel16:54
bazhang@bansearch thunar16:54
ubottuNo matches found for thunar!*@* in any channel16:54
* nalioth is on top of the bot hunt16:55
ikoniadanke16:55
ikoniahe's busted16:56
LjL(the trick didn't work, he doesn't want to join)16:56
ikoniadoesn't matter nal has busted him16:56
bazhang@bansearch woden116:57
ubottuMatch: *!*@62.225.51.138 by Pici in #ubuntu on Oct 30 2008 18:27:02 (ID: 6296)16:57
bazhangoho16:57
ikonia?16:57
bazhangseems to be trolling in #kubuntu16:57
LjLnachox, FYI, we know that was a bot because it was patently such in #ubuntu earlier16:57
bazhangasking repeatedly if removing ubuntu-desktop will remove all of gnome16:57
ikoniaeyes on him16:57
LjLthen they rejoined with a real name that made it less clear they were a bot16:57
LjLand probably disabled the ".commands", i guess16:58
bazhangand being told repeatedly no.16:58
nalioththe owner has 'fessed up in another channel16:58
nachoxLjL, does #ubuntu hae a channel log like ##slackware where we can check that?16:58
nalioth!log16:58
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/16:58
bazhang!198416:58
naliothnachox: are you here about the markov bot?16:58
LjLnachox: yes, see above16:58
LjLnalioth: i invited16:58
LjLi didn't like that being argued about in ##slackware16:58
LjLnot my channel, but still16:58
ikoniawise16:59
naliothnachox: i have found the bot's owner and requested the bot be removed from the network.16:59
nachoxnalioth, thank you16:59
ikoniayet he denies it's anything to do with him16:59
naliothnachox: if' it's still in ##slackware after a few minutes, please let me know16:59
naliothikonia: i know better.16:59
ikoniaI know16:59
ikoniawe all do 16:59
ikoniainsulting to lie about it16:59
LjLnalioth, if the bot owner is who we were thinking, i'd recommend that you consider the fact that he's strongly denied it, and appealed to his freedom of speech rights etc etc16:59
ikoniaclaimed he was going to report me17:00
ikoniaetc17:00
naliothLjL: he's confessed in one of the channels17:00
ikoniathen he's a lair17:00
ikoniaand still running it in others17:00
naliothikonia: i'm in all the channels with the bot17:01
ikoniayup, just seen you join #slack17:01
nachoxaround what time was the bot active in #ubuntu?17:03
LjLnachox: checking, moment17:04
naliothnachox: from 4 minutes into the previous hour17:04
LjLnachox: joined 15:5017:04
nachoxdamn, how many channels does ubuntu actually need? :P17:05
LjLnachox: we have a few17:05
LjLnachox: you can see that the main one already gets about 1500 people. it's tight.17:05
naliothnachox: just short of 52 bazillion  :D17:05
ikonia@mark remote #ubuntu owner of a phenny bot - lies about owning it17:07
ubottuThe operation succeeded.17:07
naliothok, peer caught up with idbita, not sure of the owner actually /quit it or not17:08
MyrttiUbuntu Finland has three ;-)17:08
naliothbut it's gone for the moment17:08
naliothMyrtti: three what?17:08
Myrttichannels17:08
Myrttithat I know of17:09
LjLi've done another @mark in private17:09
nachoxidbita appears to have been active in the channel yes, but those interactions appear human made, except for the last one17:09
Myrttioh, Tm_T might know if we have #kubuntu-fi as well17:09
LjLnachox, it's a Markov chains based bot, quite clearly17:10
LjLnot the first bot that tries to sound human-like, by any means17:10
LjLand quite certainly not the last17:10
LjLnachox: do a /who phenny*17:10
LjLnachox: the realnames you can see are the realname that idbita used before being banned from #ubuntu17:10
LjL(note, those are legitimate though)17:11
nachoxi'm ready to admit that he didnt make much sense though :)17:11
LjLnachox: look at the test we made in #kubuntu (yes, it bothered us there too)17:11
LjL[17:32:03] <Tm_T> idbita: hi, wanna hug?17:11
LjL[17:32:15] <idbita> For example simplymepis 70 is based on linex but since they draw additional packages and distributes such software.17:12
nachoxhehe17:12
bazhanghaha17:13
nachoxi guess he did want a hug17:13
bazhanga ban-hug17:14
nachoxanyway, thanks guys17:14
LjLwelcome17:15
LjLoh cool, it didn't need asking17:17
bazhang@bansearch justizin17:20
ubottuNo matches found for justizin!n=justizin@c-24-7-61-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net in any channel17:20
LjLikonia: manzur is still mixing up #ubuntu and #ubuntu-es...17:22
LjLjoined both, and asked a question in english in -es17:22
ikoniasilly thing17:23
LjLswitched to spanish now, i guess he realized17:23
ikonianot sure what to do with justizin17:23
bazhanghe quit17:23
ikoniaahh good, that makes it a bit easier17:24
* LjL was waiting for it...17:24
bazhangafter the perennial get the last word in of course17:24
manzurhello, in there can you take off my ban from #ubuntu-offtopic?17:24
ikoniaog course, 17:24
manzurplease?17:24
bazhangmanzur, why were you removed from there?17:25
stdinbazhang: ident ban17:25
manzurbazhang: si17:25
ikoniamanzur: you where asked to change it earlier I believe17:25
bazhangmanzur, you cant have the name jesus as ident17:25
LjLikonia, that "John Doe" realname reminds me of something. let me investigate.17:25
ikoniaLjL: me also, I'm looking too17:25
manzurikonia: but now i am manzur17:25
ikoniamanzur: no - your still jesus17:26
bazhang* manzur (n=jesus@190.143.12.195) has joined #ubuntu-ops17:26
LjLmanzur, it's your ident17:26
ikonia17:24 -!- manzur [n=jesus@190.143.12.195] has joined #ubuntu-ops17:26
bazhangno you're not17:26
manzurLjL: how can i change it?17:26
manzurLjL: explain it to me please!17:26
LjLmanzur: depends what IRC client you're using17:26
manzurpidggin17:26
LjLmanzur: i'm not very familiar with it, let me look17:26
ikoniamanzur: what do you log into your machine as ?17:26
ikoniamanzur: as in what is your ubuntu login username17:27
manzurikonia: jesus17:27
ikoniamanzur: there we go17:27
ikoniait's normally taken from your ubuntu login name17:27
bazhangmanzur, what irc client17:27
manzurikonia: but i was crazy yesterday trying to find a way to change17:27
ikoniapidgen17:27
manzurit17:27
manzuri almost broke my system17:27
bazhangmanzur, change in pidgin prefs17:27
manzurbazhang: and then?17:27
LjLmanzur: it's in Accounts / Manage account / Advanced / Username17:28
LjLno sorry not Manage account17:28
bazhangmanzur, and then try to join17:28
LjLAccounts / your freenode account / Edit account17:28
manzurbut where i dont see anything, called "jesus"17:29
LjLmanzur: yes, it's empty by default17:29
manzurcan i change my login name?17:29
LjLif it's empty, your ubuntu username is used17:29
LjLbut if you put something in it, it will be used instead17:30
LjLyou could put manzur17:30
manzurLjL: but how can i change my login name?17:30
LjLmanzur: that's not easy17:30
manzurLjL: please tell me17:30
manzurLjL: but you know how?17:30
manzur!17:30
LjLmanzur: it involves moving your home directory to a new place. i don't recommend doing it17:30
Myrttiit's not easy, it's easier to enter a username  in pidgin.17:31
LjLmanzur: yes, i do, you need to move your home, and edit /etc/passwd accordingly, but if you really want to do it (and i don't recommend it!), ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es17:31
manzurok17:31
manzurLjL: there you go17:31
manzurand now?17:31
manzuri typed manzur17:32
LjLmanzur: now disconnect from irc and reconnect, if you have changed it17:32
manzurok17:32
manzuri'll be back17:32
LjLnow tell me something. is it a better idea to keep a very common spanish first name banned from our channels, and then teach people how to change their idents (something which, honestly, i'd rather they'd not know), or...?17:33
ikoniais jesus a common spanish name (I actually don't mind someone being called jesus in the ident)17:33
LjLikonia: absolutely17:33
ikoniasame as someone called mohammed17:34
manzurand now?17:34
LjLmanzur: you didn't change it properly i'm afraid17:34
manzurwhre do i have to type it?17:34
manzurLocal Alias?17:34
LjLno, i really though it's Username17:35
manzurUser name17:35
manzur?17:35
LjLbut in Advanced, not in Basic17:35
LjLlet me check again...17:35
manzurand real name?17:35
manzurand SSL17:35
manzur?17:35
LjLreal name can be what you want17:35
LjLdoesn't matter, leave them as the defaults17:36
manzurwhat is SSL?17:36
LjLit's not relevant17:36
manzuri changed it, but what is SSL for?17:36
manzurplease tell me17:37
manzurcan you?17:37
LjLmanzur: this isn't a support channel. anyway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSL17:37
manzurok now i have to re login wait17:37
manzurand now?17:38
LjLyou've made it17:38
manzurso now i can login #ubuntu-offtopic?17:38
LjLyes17:38
manzurok thannks and bye, God bless you all!17:38
Myrttihappy ircing17:38
manzurMyrtti: (Y)17:38
LjLhow much wasted time was this?17:39
LjL*shrug*17:39
* Myrtti waits for the FLASH 64-BIT IS HERE at -ot17:39
ikoniawas he the guy who did that ?17:42
MyrttiI think so17:43
Myrtti@bansearch manzur17:43
ikoniayes he was17:43
ikoniaanother one who lies about it 17:43
ikoniawell that was worth it, said hi and left17:46
LjLyeah17:47
Myrttiyet another happy customer17:47
LjLthe only thing that comforts me is that it's time i'd have wasted in any case17:47
LjLlike most of my time17:47
ikoniaI'm ripping my family guy dvd's for the myth server17:47
ikoniatediously killing time17:47
MyrttiI'm procrastinating17:48
Myrttijust cooked, pasta with shrooms, sausage and garlic with pesto17:48
ikoniaI made peppermint cookies :)17:48
Myrttibeverage of choice: non-alcoholic glögi17:48
ikoniaI'm also marinading tuna steak in a tequilla sauce17:49
Myrttichinchin17:49
LjLMyrtti: sounds yummy - as well as a sentence to not see anyone (at least at less than a meter distance) for the next day17:49
ikoniaMyrtti: I've got some of that finish drink that jussi left me that tastes like anasead17:49
ikoniaMyrtti: I've been using that to cook17:49
Myrttihmmm? salmiakkikossu?17:49
LjLdon't start with line noise now17:50
Myrttitervasnapsi?17:50
ikoniayes17:50
ikoniasalmiakkikossu?17:50
Myrttisalmiakkikossu snork17:50
ikonianice17:50
Myrtti*REPS*17:50
Myrttiwhat have you been cooking with that :-DDDD17:50
ikoniamade a beef dish17:50
ikoniawoked quite well17:50
MyrttiI can imagine, they actually do use salmiakki to marinade beef and pork17:51
ikoniathere you go17:51
bazhangwokked17:51
ikoniaI am the chef17:51
ikoniabazhang: grrrr worked17:51
Myrttiikonia: yes you are :-D17:51
bazhangwokked works too (eg use a wok) :)17:51
Myrttiikonia: I prefer my salmiakki in ice cream though :-D17:51
LjLikonia: you know you've got too much finnish in your head when you start randomly doubling consonants...17:51
ikoniaLjL: concur17:52
ikoniaMyrtti: I've got another drink that jussi01 left me for icecream17:52
Myrttilakkalikööri17:52
ikoniaI think thats it17:52
ikoniaI'd have to check the label17:52
Myrtticloudberry liqueur17:52
Myrttiso now half the channel has been corrupted with Finnish booze17:53
ikoniamissed HardPhuck in #ubuntu17:53
ikoniaMyrtti thats it !17:53
ikoniacloudberry17:53
Myrttithough ompaul gave his cloudberry liqueur to mjg59 :-<17:53
ikoniait's nice17:53
MyrttiI don't know if Jono has already drank his17:53
ikoniaI'm working on a way to try to cool it a little to make it a little more syrpy and not melt the icecream17:54
MyrttiI also haven't checked what PriceChild thought of his salmiakkikossu17:54
ikoniaI like it17:54
ikoniagood to drink as a shot17:54
ikoniaI may get some more sent over17:54
Myrttiah, yes.17:55
MyrttiI think I gave Nafallo and Ng a bottle each of salmiakkikossu17:55
Myrttiand Mez cloudberry liqueur17:56
LjLwhen did you all meet17:56
Myrttimid-June, LUGradio Live17:57
Myrttier17:57
MyrttiJuly17:57
LjLah17:57
LjLuhuhm17:57
LjL!cloning17:57
ubottuTo replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --disable-columns --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate17:57
LjL!clone17:57
ubottuTo replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate17:57
LjL!-clone17:58
ubottuclone has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-01-22 21:25:00 - last edited by Hobbsee on 2007-10-02 02:26:1517:58
ikoniaI saw jussi01 a few weeks ago, thats t17:58
LjL!no clone is <reply> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --disable-columns --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate17:58
ubottuI'll remember that LjL17:58
LjL!no cloning is <alias> clone17:58
LjLlittle mistake17:58
Myrttioh, yeah.17:58
MyrttiLjL: I work from home, remember?17:58
LjLMyrtti: actually, no i don't17:59
Myrttipwah17:59
Myrttianyway, I can cook as garlicy food as I want17:59
LjLMyrtti: me too17:59
LjLi don't work to begin with17:59
bazhangvall in #k18:00
ikoniaLjL: thats the dream18:00
ikoniatoo late I'd done it18:00
ikoniasorry18:00
bazhangheh18:00
LjL:P18:00
bazhangonly on certain requests18:00
Myrtti[20:00] < blackpearl> ay^ : can you tell why .deb files do not ask for PATH where  it need to be installed just like in Windows ??18:01
* Myrtti facepalms18:01
ikoniait's a fair question for someone coming across from windows18:01
LjLnice question18:01
Myrttiikonia: sure18:01
LjLyes, and kinda difficult to answer too18:01
ikoniayes, it's one of the explination that seems negative 18:02
MyrttiI had to bite my tongue not to say "because this isn't windows"18:02
MyrttiI'm an AWFUL person.18:02
ikonianonsense18:02
LjLi hope mine's better then18:03
ikoniaLjL: it's really hard to justify "linux puts it where it wants, not where you want" without sounding negative18:03
LjLikonia: also considering that i, myself, hate that ;)18:04
ikoniaLjL: but you can re-package if you want18:04
ikoniait's different for new users18:04
LjLikonia: oh for that matter i can just use "mv", but that doesn't make it sound...18:04
LjLikonia: i just don't like the posix hyerarchy myself18:04
ikoniapros and cons18:05
LjLikonia: both sorting concepts make sense. but in posix, the *names* themselves are awful to begin with18:06
LjLusr? etc? plz? omg?18:06
LjLwtf?18:07
ikonia;)18:07
Myrttihey, don't waste characters.18:09
Myrttievery time you use a character in vain, god kills a SCO coder.18:09
Myrttior a puppy18:09
LjLbah, ftl imo18:09
* LjL just wants the AmigaOS naming scheme period18:10
MyrttiI suck in packaging.18:11
* LjL checkinstalls a better version of Myrtti18:11
Myrttithanks18:11
MyrttiI just installed amora-server with checkinstall.18:11
LjLi don't really know what that is, but installing something that ends with "-server" with checkinstall sounds doom-like18:12
ikoniaha ha18:12
MyrttiLjL: >__<18:13
MyrttiYou got a cellphone with bluetooth and still need to manually control slides when making a presentation?18:13
MyrttiDon't worry anymore, Amora (A mobile remote assistant) implements control of mouse and most of keyboard shortcuts (ESC, ENTER, SPACE, arrow keys, etc) making easy this task. Not only that, but you can take screenshots of the active window in your current graphic session (i.e. see thumbnails of PC windows in your cellphone screen). 18:13
MyrttiCurrently, the client is implemented in Python for S60 (Nokia cellphones) and the server is written in C programming language using Xlib and XTest to send events for X session and POSIX socket API for I/O.18:14
Myrtti*pllllllöör*18:14
LjLoh right, i should have known it was something S6018:14
LjLMyrtti: now i'll laugh at you18:15
LjL!info amora-server jaunty | Myrtti18:16
ubottuamora-server (source: amora-server): use a bluetooth enabled mobile phone as desktop remote control. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1-1 (jaunty), package size 15 kB, installed size 104 kB18:16
Myrttiexcellent18:16
Myrttiso in April I don't have to package it anymore18:16
LjLMyrtti: not even now most likely... chances are the jaunty source package would work18:16
* LjL tries, although /me is on hardy18:16
Myrttipft.18:16
MyrttiI refuse to be laughed at.18:17
LjLnot something you can control immafraid18:17
Myrttiwrong18:17
LjLMyrtti: echo "deb-src http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get build-dep amora-server ; sudo apt-get --build source amora-server ; sudo dpkg -i amora-server*.deb18:20
Myrttishutup18:20
bazhangsomeone want to ban forward thomas_ in #k18:20
LjLMyrtti: http://ljl.byethost14.com/amora-server_1.1-1_i386.deb18:22
LjLalthough that's compiled for hardy so might not work in intrepid18:22
LjL;P18:22
MyrttiLjL: and I've already got the checkinstalled version, thxvrymch18:23
LjLMyrtti: ok, see you again after you've finished unbreaking your system then :P18:23
* Myrtti considers pouring two deciliters of fresh pesto on LjLs hair18:24
LjLMyrtti: no thanks, i'm more into traditional hairdressing methods18:25
Myrttianyway, if anyone wants the AMD64 deb for amora-server on intrepid...18:33
LjL... they compile it from the jaunty source.18:33
Myrttias I did just now18:34
Myrttishut up18:34
Myrttiyou're ruining my evening.18:34
LjLMyrtti: here, have some mushrooms.18:34
geniiGood aftrnoon, evening, or morning18:42
geniiAnd moin to Myrtti :)18:46
Myrttimoin genii18:46
geniiLjL: Weirdness with bot in #ubuntu ?18:55
LjLgenii: not really weird, i just used it badly18:58
geniiAh, OK18:59
LjL#ubuntu [20:00:04] <__mikem> LjL: PM, kind of important19:00
LjLyou might imagine what it's about19:00
LjLof course he has to ask in #ubuntu19:01
LjL[20:00:47] <LjL> __mikem: and you couldn't tell me in -ot?19:01
LjL[20:01:04] <__mikem> LjL: i didn't know you were there19:01
LjLwhat the hell is he talking about, of course i'm there19:01
geniiWeird19:01
geniiLjL: The guy asks then doesn't bother to show up19:08
LjLgenii: perhaps it wasn't an ubuntu channel *shrug*19:08
geniiAh, maybe19:09
geniiI suppose he'd need #freenode then or so19:09
LjLhe's in there19:10
geniiBah. Logging in as root talk again in #u19:52
Mezmmm... python20:05
ikoniadoing anything fun with it ?20:05
Mezwriting a site in django :)20:06
ikoniaoh20:06
ikoniabazhang: you awake ?20:06
Myrttioh shoot.20:19
Myrttiit's sunday ten o'clock again20:19
* genii sips20:19
ikoniagenii: your coffee intake is excessive20:19
Myrttieven I don't drink as much :-P20:20
geniiikonia: Yes, I agree20:20
Myrttiin fact, I didn't have any yesterday, or today, or on Friday20:20
ikoniagenii: I'm only teasing20:20
geniiI've been up for 2 hours nd had 5 coffees already in fact20:21
Myrttipink emacs in console ^___^20:22
Myrttimwahaha20:22
geniiMyrtti: I thought the Finns were big on coffee, actually20:23
Myrttigenii: I'm not20:23
Flannelikonia, LjL: he was banned from -ot by chanserv, and bansearch didn't show any other bans20:23
MyrttiI only learned it five years ago20:24
Flannelmanzur, that is.20:24
ikoniaFlannel: who ?20:24
Flannelikonia: manzur, the jesus guy.20:25
ikoniaah20:25
ikoniaI banned him in #ubuntu a few days ago, he was telling a few fibs about what he was doing20:25
ikoniaI think that was one of the bans you removed (rightly) in your clean up20:26
* Myrtti whinces a bit20:26
Flannelikonia: er, I should've only removed bans I put in.20:27
ikonianah, I put a comment in saying "if he comes back in a few days and is a bit more up front remove the ban"20:27
ikoniaso I assumed you'd removed it because I put a comment in 20:27
FlannelOh20:27
Flannelwait20:27
FlannelThis was the 64bit flash guy too20:28
ikoniathats him20:28
FlannelYeah, I talked to him about #u vs -ot and stuff.  Yep.  The chanserv -ot thing was a separate thing20:29
ikoniayup, I thought you had done20:29
elkbuntuhrm... alot of activity here today20:37
ikoniareally20:38
ikoniaseems quiet to me20:38
Flannelikonia: jesus is a rather (normal) common name.20:44
ikoniayup20:44
Myrttisince when has installing audacious required restarting hald?20:46
Myrttilike, errrr, LOLWHUT?!20:46
Myrttiload average: 9.10, 9.49, 4.7420:47
Myrttiyum20:47
ikoniarather busy20:48
LjLlooks like my box when running amarok20:48
Tm_Tshame my box only hits ~0.05 while running Amarok20:56
LjLmy amarok definitely has a problem but i never could pinpoint it (or bothered enough)20:58
Tm_TLjL: hmm, install needed -dbg packages and run it from console etc (:)21:03
Tm_Talso valgrind!21:03
* Myrtti giggles21:03
Tm_Tthat would kill your system for good =)21:03
jussi01Morning all21:09
Myrttimoin jussi01 21:14
Tm_Thi jussi01 21:15
ikoniaattack21:18
Tm_Twas IRSeekBot allowed to our channels?21:19
ikoniaughhh this again21:19
ikoniaI thought it wasn't 21:19
Tm_Tsame here, though...21:19
ikoniabut then I thought it was turned a blind eye to because it was scraping the logs21:19
LjLit is allowed21:21
MyrttiI just love the fact I have to read and mark acknowledment of our companys Windows security policy21:21
Tm_Tthanks21:21
Myrtti:-D21:21
LjLwhat i don't understand is why the floodbots seem to have forgot about the "mass join" attack trigger lately21:21
ikoniathere we go21:21
FlannelWe are allowing IRSeek now?21:22
Myrttihaven't we always?21:22
Tm_TMyrtti: lovely, isn't it21:22
FlannelI don't remember.21:22
MyrttiTm_T: it is :-D21:22
Tm_TMyrtti: not always21:22
Myrttimakes me chuckle21:22
Tm_Theh21:22
ikoniathought it was just the fact that it scraped made the logs made banning it pointless21:22
FlannelEh, I feel dirty now.21:22
LjLah right perhaps we made it scrape the logs lately...21:23
geniiSince on Quassel going /away now. See you all later21:33
ubottuIn #ubuntu, OpenBSDRulzs said: !kde is better?21:35
Tm_Tit is!21:35
* Tm_T hides21:36
MyrttiXFCE!21:36
Tm_T(:)21:36
Tm_TWindowMaker !!21:37
ikonia21:53 -!- Shity_TL [n=shifty@ip72-199-174-132.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu21:53
ikoniahis ident is shifty, but his nick is shity21:54
PriceChildEyes on NoIdeaMan.21:55
ikoniahe's been watched all day21:56
PriceChildSorry didn't see anything in lastlog.21:56
ikoniahe's been in / out a few times21:56
PriceChildbut that would be because i wasn't connected, doh21:56
ikoniaduh.21:57
PriceChildanyway, off to work, have a nice evening.21:59
ikonianight shift21:59
ikonia?21:59
Myrttihave fun PriceChild 21:59
ikoniacan I ring for support ?21:59
Myrttiyay, I managed to file hours in for this week on time21:59
Myrtti2008-11-23 23:59:4421:59
MyrttiWOOOO21:59
MyrttiPARTEE21:59
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, Myrtti said: !unforget lovetoo23:28
Myrttishutup23:28
* Myrtti kicks ubottu 23:29
* Myrtti sods off23:29

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