[00:09] <manzur> good night, i was banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:18] <manzur> and i jjust want to know why?
[00:19] <Flannel> manzur: your ident (jesus) is what caused chanserv to ban you.  If you change it, you'll be able to get in.
[00:23] <manzur> Flannel: why man?
[00:24] <Flannel> manzur: manzur because unfortunately its commonly used by people who are looking to cause trouble
[00:28] <manzur> Flannel: yes?, about what?
[00:30] <manzur> Flannel: y si le coloco God?, puedo?
[00:31] <manzur> Flannel: and if I change it by "God"?, can i do it?
[00:31] <manzur> or somethin related to god?
[00:32] <Flannel> manzur: If you're looking to cause problems, don't.
[00:32] <manzur> Enmanuel?
[00:32] <manzur> of courese not
[00:32] <manzur> never 
[00:32] <manzur> iam christian
[00:32] <manzur> jjust that
[00:32] <manzur> i would never cause problem
[00:34] <manzur> can i change to Emanuel, is that ok?
[00:34] <Flannel> manzur: sure
[00:34] <manzur> ok
[00:35] <manzur> god bless you man
[00:35] <manzur> bye
[00:35] <manzur> and thanks
[00:55] <elkbuntu> ok, doesnt that count as taking the name in vain?
[00:55] <Flannel> I'm staying out of it
[00:58]  * nickrud wonders about hispanics name Jesus
[00:58] <nickrud> *named
[00:59] <Flannel> nickrud: yeah, thats what someone said.  Which is one reason I mentioned it.  Except... he was obviously choosing it for other reasons
[01:00] <nickrud> no one's ever up to any good on -offtopic (just as broad a brush ;)
[01:09] <elkbuntu> so whats the current status on God_? have they been back again?
[01:09] <LjL> dunno
[01:09] <LjL> nickrud: yes indeed, i bitched once against a ban on *!*jesus@*
[01:10] <LjL> i'm not a fan of overly broad bans
[01:10] <elkbuntu> unfortunately it's one that's proved it's worth over and over
[01:12] <nickrud> that is a very sad commentary elkbuntu 
[01:12] <LjL> still.
[01:12] <elkbuntu> nickrud, bigfuzzyjesus, methjesus, others
[01:12] <LjL> if i was banned on the grounds of my real name, i would be pissed.
[01:12] <LjL> just like i'm pissed when i find *.it banned from channels
[01:12] <nickrud> sorry, not sorry of you to say, but a sad situation to have to comment on
[01:13] <elkbuntu> yeah
[01:14] <elkbuntu> ugh costco's back?
[01:14] <LjL> nickrud: anyway -ot isn't so bad as you picture it...
[01:15] <elkbuntu> yeah, there's very little actual intent
[01:16] <nickrud> it was pure hyperbole, an example of how a broad brush can be fundamentally unfair. Sadly, sometimes unfairness is the only solution to some situations. Until irc bots can determine a real real name, for example. LjL, get on the stick!
[01:16] <LjL> well while we wait for the bots, i say
[01:16] <LjL> those who are irc trolls, know how to change their name
[01:17] <LjL> those who were just born with Jesus as a first name, probably don't
[01:17] <LjL> and excuse the inappropriate use of commas
[01:20] <elkbuntu> right, can someone other than i judge whether costco needs a warning?
[01:21] <LjL> elkbuntu, although i'm too distracted to read very carefully, as of now i don't see anything too bad
[01:21] <LjL> although it smells like a troll from a mile away
[01:21] <elkbuntu> yeah, it's not so much the topic, as the manner
[01:22] <elkbuntu> and he is, he and netyire are the new pseudotrolls of -ot
[01:22] <LjL> elkbuntu: yes. but we should keep in mind we aren't supposed to just kick folks we don't like purely out of not liking them
[01:22] <elkbuntu> and __mikem... well... is proof we probably wont.
[01:22]  * elkbuntu sighs
[01:22] <LjL> (otherwise... i know a couple of fellows who never would have seen -ot in the past years)
[01:23] <LjL> elkbuntu: erm, i didn't want to have that logged, but.
[01:23] <elkbuntu> it's been logged a zillion times before
[01:23] <LjL> elkbuntu: well, not with my nickname stuck to it ;)
[01:24] <nickrud> LjL, as long as you make sure the preceeding line is always included, it simply shows your tolerance :)
[01:24] <elkbuntu> i'm happy to have mine stuck to it. he's a pest and is involved in a way-too-high percentage of bad things.
[01:45] <LjL> nickrud, what the hell is nickk doing
[01:45] <nickrud> not sure, but I'm patient. If he stops, he stops.
[01:46] <LjL> nickrud, but you know what's interesting...
[01:46] <nickrud> >
[01:46] <LjL> nickrud: join -monitor a minute
[01:49] <nickrud> -ops-monitor or -monitor?
[01:49] <LjL> nickrud: the former
[01:49] <nickrud> hm, i was the only one there
[01:49] <LjL> nickrud, #ubuntu-ops-monitor
[01:49] <LjL> you won't be the only one there
[01:50] <nickrud> it tells me I'm not authorized
[01:50] <LjL> nickrud: oh, you need a +I
[01:52] <nickrud> no speekee there
[01:55] <LjL> i think i'll just leave that mute dangling for now.
[02:02] <LjL> FraSydney: how can we help you?
[02:03] <LjL> hello...? i was kidding, but you aren't even looking
[02:04] <LjL> elkbuntu, guess who the above idler is
[02:04] <elkbuntu> LjL, checking now
[02:05] <LjL> elkbuntu: i'll spare you the trouble, it's just my sister downunder-version
[02:05] <FraSydney> hello!!! I don't have any idea of what this channel is about :D
[02:05] <elkbuntu> ah
[02:05] <LjL> FraSydney: unsurprising
[02:05] <elkbuntu> this is where your brother wastes all his spare time.
[02:06]  * LjL confirms
[02:06] <FraSydney> eheh I knew that
[02:06] <FraSydney> you can say also time
[02:06] <LjL> well you didn't know what it was called
[02:06] <FraSydney> without spare
[02:06] <LjL> well, that's just because all my time is spare time, nuffin wrong with that
[02:06] <LjL> is there
[02:07] <elkbuntu> depends how healthy your bank account is, i guess
[02:07] <LjL> or my parents'
[02:07] <elkbuntu> meh, you're as old as me, you shouldnt be sponging your folks anymore :P
[02:07] <LjL> "shouldn't" is such a debatable word :P
[02:08]  * nickrud thinks children never stop mooching ;(
[02:08] <LjL> elkbuntu: i mean, it's not like, i'm, say, spending their money to go to australian
[02:08] <LjL> -n
[02:08]  * LjL hopes that wasn't understood
[02:08] <elkbuntu> hehe
[02:08] <elkbuntu> FraSydney, so how are you liking Australia?
[02:09] <FraSydney> yep
[02:09] <FraSydney> but today the weather sucks in Sydeny
[02:09] <FraSydney> sydney
[02:09] <LjL> "how are you *ing" isn't a yes/no question
[02:09] <FraSydney> saushauhsu sorry
[02:09] <elkbuntu> hehe
[02:13] <LjL> FraSydney: anyway i think we should just /query in english to begin with. "how do you like that?"
[02:20] <LjL> not very, i guess
[02:20]  * LjL reaches the bed
[02:45] <bazhang> someone should take a look at -ot; |_ocke and costco
[02:45]  * bazhang wonders why this seems to be the case *every* weekend
[02:55] <elkbuntu> because we're stupid enough to allow it every weekend
[02:55] <elkbuntu> such mean cruel draconian ops, we are
[03:36] <elkbuntu> grrr.. it forgot to identify?
[03:36] <elkbuntu> it worked yesterday
[03:40] <elkbuntu> no, it's identified. just not until after joining. lame.
[03:58] <nalioth> taken care of
[03:58] <nalioth> (for now)
[04:08] <elkbuntu> nalioth, feel like scaring some offtopicers?
[04:11] <nalioth> elkbuntu: how so?
[04:27] <tritium> Maybe I could tolerate -offtopic more if it could stick to ubuntu-related topics.  Last time I popped in, it was an Obama propaganda room.
[04:28] <nalioth> tritium: you hold an +o there, i believe
[04:28] <tritium> nalioth: I do.
[04:28] <nalioth> so make it so
[04:28] <elkbuntu> nalioth, not everyone wants to go through an hour of crap for a minute of correct topic.
[04:30] <tritium> nalioth: I honestly can't tolerate the juvenile nonsense for very long.
[04:31] <__mikem> look I don't know whats going on, but naltioht just banned me for absolutely nothing and will not unban me
[04:31] <tritium> If it were me, I'd just shut down the entire channel.
[04:31] <tritium> There are other places for offtopic discussion to take place.  Ubuntu doesn't need to provide a forum for such nonsense..
[04:32] <wobblywu> tritium, are you in -offtopic much?
[04:32] <tritium> wobblywu: no, I cannot stand it
[04:32] <elkbuntu> __mikem, i've already explained that it's for repeating the same thing that got dmsuperman banned. laughing at someone getting banned is rude.
[04:32] <wobblywu> tritium, ah I see.. isn't that a bit weird, then?
[04:32] <__mikem> elkbuntu: that was a joke, and right now dmsuperman is not banned
[04:32] <tritium> wobblywu: isn't *what* a bit weird?
[04:32] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, we joke around like that in there all the time, we're all regulars and know when others are joking
[04:32] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, no, there's lots of people who will not go there, because of the bad behaviour in general.
[04:33] <wobblywu> tritium, you not being in -offtopic yet disliking it and wanting it closed
[04:33] <__mikem> this is absurd
[04:33] <nalioth> __mikem: dsuperman did not PM me
[04:33] <tritium> wobblywu: no, I experience if enough to know why I dislike it.
[04:33] <wobblywu> tritium, for the record, we do have quite a few regulars in there, many of them active in #ubuntu as well
[04:33] <wobblywu> tritium, they talk in there a lot, so they seem to like it there
[04:34] <tritium> wobblywu: that doesn't change my opinion.
[04:34] <__mikem> nalioth: seriously, what you just did was arbitrary, and unfair
[04:34] <wobblywu> tritium, of course that doesn't mean you should like it, but I do not see why you should complain about it if you're not in there to begin with
[04:34] <__mikem> what I did was not in violation of any rules
[04:34] <elkbuntu> certainly was not courteous.
[04:34] <tritium> wobblywu: I'm there when an op is required
[04:34] <wobblywu> tritium, which is at the worst of times
[04:34] <wobblywu> tritium, no wonder you dislike the place
[04:35] <tritium> wobblywu: no, I dislike the place for the juvenile nonsense
[04:35] <wobblywu> tritium, what juvenile nonsense? you're not there, how would you know?
[04:35] <nalioth> is there something concrete you guys need?
[04:35] <nalioth> philosophy is off topic here
[04:35] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, he cant stand being there even before the worst of times.
[04:35] <__mikem> nalioth: yes, i need to be unbanned
[04:35] <nalioth> __mikem: patience is a virtue
[04:35] <__mikem> nalioth: and i need an appology
[04:36] <wobblywu> nalioth, he doesn't need an apology, but the ban surely wasn't very nice of you
[04:36] <wobblywu> nalioth, I thought you were joking around at first :o
[04:36] <tritium> wobblywu: juvenile nonsense like __mikem is displaying right now
[04:36] <__mikem> what am I doing wrong
[04:36] <tritium> Or, the past several lines from netyire
[04:36] <__mikem> seiorusly
[04:36] <wobblywu> tritium, he was just banned for no clear reason, I don't see why you must try and insult him
[04:37] <__mikem> and i am still not unbanned
[04:37] <tritium> wobblywu: that's not an insult.  It's a statement of fact, identifying his behavior for what it is.
[04:37] <nalioth> __mikem: we don't unban on request
[04:37] <__mikem> nalioth: i didn't even do anything wrong
[04:37] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, it's clear to me. dmsuperman got banned because __mikem got banned. i then lifted mikem's ban and he was stupid enough to repeat dmsuperman's error.
[04:38] <elkbuntu> hence, mikem got the same treatment for the same act
[04:38] <wobblywu> tritium, I find your behaviour to be somewhat juvenile at this very moment, if you do not mind my saying
[04:38] <__mikem> elkbuntu: I was just joking
[04:38] <nalioth> __mikem: nobody ever does.
[04:38] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, everyone thought those bans were in jest
[04:38] <tritium> wobblywu: I don't mind at all.  You're free to your opinion.
[04:38] <__mikem> elkbuntu: I thought they were jokes
[04:38] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, as the ubuntu ops that are regulars in the channel do at times ban users as well, and then we all point and laugh in jest
[04:38] <__mikem> elkbuntu: i thought dmsuperman's ban was a joke
[04:38] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, had you been in the channel more often you most likely would've known that
[04:39] <__mikem> elkbuntu: my response was a joke
[04:39] <__mikem> elkbuntu: I thought nalioth's reban was a joke
[04:39] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, it's very very very rare that bans are done in jest. i certainly did not ban in jest today.
[04:39] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, in -offtopic it's reasonably common
[04:39] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, you laughing at a ban does not change it into a joke ban.
[04:40] <elkbuntu> as much as you may wish it did.
[04:40] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, you're missing the point entirely, i'm afraid
[04:40] <elkbuntu> no, you are.
[04:40] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, it's not uncommon for ops to ban users in -offtopic as a joke, for reasons such as the one you just had
[04:41] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, since this is common, and __mikem is a regular, he responded the way regulars often respond when something like this happens -- he laughed
[04:41] <elkbuntu> we're sick and tired of being uncomfortable in -offtopic. the only reason i stay in there is to stop it turning into a 'have sex instead of rescuing iphones' bullcrap.
[04:41] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, had you been one of the regular ops in -offtopic this would've just been one of those "someone got banned, everyone laughed, it was all a joke" moments we often have
[04:41] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, i am one of the regular ops in -offtopic.
[04:41] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, many -offtopic regulars are sick and tired of you being so overly sensitive and willing to use your op powers more than necessary, as well -- so that doesn't get us very far
[04:42] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, you are not
[04:42] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, you speak only to tell others not to speak
[04:42] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, those regulars are welcome to go to #offtopic.
[04:42] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, a regular would be a user actually part of the tiny community there
[04:42] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, you seem to be missing the point of the channel (from the pov of many regulars) as well
[04:42] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, you mean like asking if anyone knows how to wrangle couriermail?
[04:42] <elkbuntu> or, talking about and from my e71?
[04:42] <elkbuntu> and hugging myrtti
[04:43] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, indeed
[04:43] <elkbuntu> oh forgive me, i shall cease the three above op actions immediately, since i do nothing but op actions
[04:43] <__mikem> wobblywu: can you talk to PriceChild, he seems to be in a more reasonable mood
[04:43] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, that's the spirit
[04:43] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic is a place ubuntu-fans (and users from #ubuntu) come to talk about non-#ubuntu things, regardless of whether the channel is meant to be that or not
[04:44] <nalioth> __mikem: your ban will lapse within hours
[04:44] <nalioth> will there be anything else, __mikem ?
[04:44] <__mikem> nope
[04:50] <dmsuperman> Erm...is there a reason __mikem is still muted in -offtopic?
[04:52] <PriceChild> dmsuperman: The issue has already been discussed with him.
[04:52] <dmsuperman> Eh, alright
[05:03] <elkbuntu> right, an hour later and i can go get tofu now. yay.
[05:25] <jussi01> Afternoon all
[05:47] <jussi01> everyone still asleep?
[05:56] <stdin> sleep is for the weak
[05:58] <jussi01> lol
[06:42] <Myrtti> oh wow
[06:46]  * Myrtti feels it's better to stay out of -offtopic
[06:46] <Myrtti> and
[06:46] <Myrtti> since when has Songbird been developed by Mozilla?
[06:56] <jussi01> !info songbird
[07:02] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, since they got a getblah domain probably
[07:02] <elkbuntu> omg, it is powered by mozilla...
[07:15] <Myrtti> it is
[07:15] <Myrtti> but it still isn't developed by Mozilla
[09:04] <elkbuntu> ok, pertaining to jfgi, what is the verdict on letmegooglethatforyou.com?
[09:06] <elkbuntu> ie http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=example
[09:10] <jussi01> elkbuntu: IMHO, meh... 
[09:11] <jussi01> I guess it depends how its used...
[09:11] <elkbuntu> i made cauliflower and cheese sauce, then somehow curdled the cheese sauce :(
[09:11] <jussi01> hehe... 
[09:12] <elkbuntu> now it doesnt taste right :(
[09:12] <jussi01> how didyou manage that?
[09:12] <elkbuntu> microwaved it after i combined, hoping it'd thicken up :(
[09:12] <elkbuntu> it didnt.
[09:12] <jussi01> hehe, well you wont do that again
[09:12] <elkbuntu> yeah
[09:35] <DrDerek> could you guys get rid of LordKagar please
[09:35] <DrDerek> it's the guy from before.
[09:36] <DrDerek> 'Stsshole'
[09:36] <DrDerek> Stasshole*
[09:36] <DrDerek> 21Cust226.tnt1.calgary.ab.da.uu.net
[09:39] <elkbuntu> @bansearch lordkagar
[09:40] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[10:00] <jussi01> !tor
[10:38] <fde> Anyone awake atm? r0ach in #ubuntu needs some attn... he is asking grub questions, but doesn't have Ubuntu or any other linux distro installed... he has been asked to take it to #grub, but won't
[10:38] <fde> Nevermind, I guess he's finally going to stop
[10:57] <elkbuntu> ahrm... why did my phone just restart?
[10:59] <elkbuntu> Myrtti? why would my phone restart itself?
[11:21] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: which apps did you have on?
[11:23] <elkbuntu> just mirggi
[11:24] <elkbuntu> the only exploity thing that restarts that i can find info about is bluetooth
[11:26] <Myrtti> yeah, mirggi does crash the phone
[11:26] <elkbuntu> oh
[11:27] <elkbuntu> :(
[11:27] <elkbuntu> i wasnt using it, it was just idling
[11:27] <Myrtti> sadly it is *still* the best irc app
[11:27] <Myrtti> iI know
[11:31] <elkbuntu> seems i have used 6.79mb of internet so far
[11:36] <jpds> Hey, what's up in #u?
[11:38] <Myrtti> looking
[11:40] <elkbuntu> students warned but * d0netsFN (i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org) has joined #ubuntu might warrant some adult supervision
[11:46] <Flannel> He was previously k-lined?
[11:47] <elkbuntu> no, but that hostmask does not promise much
[11:47] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, how do i get a stopwatch on my phone? i mean, i dont think i've ever had a phone that did not have one...
[11:48] <Gary> elkbuntu: I needs one on my wm phone too
[11:48] <Flannel> elkbuntu: my lastlog shows him previously klined
[11:48] <Flannel> 16:03 -!- d0netsFN [i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org] has quit [K-lined]
[11:48] <Flannel> (its currently 3:48, my time)
[11:48] <elkbuntu> Flannel, well that's gary's business more than ours ;)
[11:48] <Flannel> right
[11:49] <elkbuntu> there's more ways to get klined than mess with us :P
[11:49] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, please tell me there's a stopwatch on here somewhere...
[11:52] <Myrtti> hm, there doesn't seem to be one by default
[11:52] <Myrtti> but http://www.tevero.no/espace/stopwatch/ seems to be having lots of good reviews
[11:54] <elkbuntu> that is sad... i remember way back when it was like the most awesome tool to have in a phone... that and a calculator
[11:54] <elkbuntu> that was like the crux of sophistication... a phone that could DO STUFF
[11:57] <Myrtti> well
[11:57] <Myrtti> the sports tracker does have stopwatch
[12:06] <elkbuntu> sports tracker?
[12:07] <Myrtti> http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/main/index.do
[12:08] <elkbuntu> oh. that looks... overboard
[12:15] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, btw, the amora package doesnt work in ibex, since it wants libbluetooth2 and ibex has libbluetooth3
[12:15] <Myrtti> bwah
[12:18] <Myrtti> I just compile it myself anyway...
[12:20] <Myrtti> as they don't have the x86_64
[12:42] <jussi01> err, whats the stance on this? http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=Ubuntu+Tweak 
[12:44] <Myrtti> oh dear god
[12:45] <elkbuntu> firstly, its at getdeb...
[12:45] <jussi01> elkbuntu: yeah...
[12:46] <elkbuntu> someone got a VM to trash with it?
[12:46] <jussi01> just got a guy in #k (holyguyver) telling people to use stuff from there... anyway, Im sleepy, so someone may want to look into #k
[12:47] <jussi01> anyway, nini
[12:47] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, is it worth getting a different browser, or just using the inbuilt one?
[12:48] <Myrtti> many of my friends use opera mini, but I just use the inbuilt one
[12:48] <Myrtti> you might want to try skyfire... *shrug*
[12:53] <elkbuntu> what's the diff between opera mini and opera mobile?
[12:55] <elkbuntu> hold on, opera mobile costs moniez?
[13:00] <Myrtti> yup
[13:00] <elkbuntu> that's lame
[13:02] <ikonia> hi all
[13:03] <elkbuntu> hai
[13:07] <Myrtti> looks like we're having a blizzard
[13:35] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: I'm trying to package the svn version
[13:37] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: though knowing my skills this is going nowhere
[13:48] <Tm_T> Myrtti: 3 hours without electricity this morning
[13:48] <Tm_T> no heating or anything <3
[13:49] <LjL> good thing we have oil-based heating.
[13:50] <Tm_T> LjL: we too, but the heat is spread in electric-depended way I noticed
[13:50] <LjL> ugh
[13:50] <LjL> i often wished we had decent thermostat
[13:50] <LjL> but perhaps on second thought, that wouldn't be such a good idea then
[13:50] <manzur> hello, my friend, again i am in here because i was banned from #ubuntu-es and #ubuntu-offtopic, but it was a mistake
[13:50] <manzur> i did
[13:51] <LjL> manzur, we don't deal with #ubuntu-es here, but nevertheless... i don't see a ban on you there?
[13:53] <manzur> and in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[13:53] <manzur> LjL: 
[13:53] <manzur> it was just because i logged in as jesus
[13:54] <ikonia> LjL: he's banned from #ubuntu
[13:54] <LjL> manzur: ok but there is no ban on that in #ubuntu-es
[13:54] <LjL> ikonia: that i know
[13:54] <ikonia> ah
[13:55] <ikonia> wasn't he meant to read the coc stuff and return in a day 
[13:55] <LjL> wait, no
[13:56] <LjL> yes
[13:56] <ikonia> so after being told to read them he's getting banned from other channels for "mistakes"
[13:56] <LjL> ikonia: but he's not
[13:56] <ikonia> according to him
[13:56] <LjL> at least i can't see that
[13:56] <ikonia> despite the fact that he's not actually
[13:57] <LjL> ikonia: and for that matter, where's the ban in #u?
[13:57] <ikonia> unamomento
[13:57] <LjL> ikonia: i have a bt log from you but i don't see anything in the banlist
[13:58] <LjL> ah, removed by flannel yesterday, you had indeed left a comment saying to remove the ban under certain circumstances
[13:58] <ikonia> LjL: flannauel removed
[13:58] <ikonia> flannel even
[13:59] <LjL> but i think he also came here yesterday complaining about the -offtopic ban
[13:59] <LjL> which is not on him but generally on people with "jesus" in the ident
[13:59] <ikonia> to be honest, my opinion is to just ban him
[13:59] <ikonia> he gets into much trouble or believes he does
[13:59] <ikonia> which just means he's just trolling/messing around
[13:59] <LjL> we'll see, setting highlight...
[13:59] <LjL> i'm an -es op too technically
[13:59] <ikonia> yup
[14:00] <ikonia> handy
[14:00] <LjL> although last time i kicked someone there was so much of a riot i was about to drop my privileges in disgust
[14:00] <ikonia> nice to see the "!give" script guys have left it off
[14:00] <ikonia> roit ?/?
[14:01] <LjL> ikonia, you wouldn't know, that channel is hell
[14:01] <ikonia> in what way ?
[14:01] <LjL> ikonia: complete anarchy, the ops barely exist, often behave in ways that would get them kicked themselves if they were in #ubuntu
[14:02] <LjL> ikonia: for instance, when there was the "riot" i had banned someone for repeatedly saying to rm -rf /
[14:02] <LjL> ikonia: everyone jumped at me, because apparently the guy was "merely" responding to a "troll"
[14:02] <LjL> which might very well have been the case, my spanish isn't good enough to follow everything
[14:02] <LjL> but the fact that, in a support channel, you "respond to trolls" by giving them rm -rf /...
[14:02] <LjL> well that should say everything
[14:02] <ikonia> my personal opinion is what I said to elkbuntu about -ru, they are in an official channel, they need to represent ubuntu's policy which in that channel,
[14:02] <Tm_T> LjL: I think we need "trustworthy cops" there, then
[14:03] <Tm_T> ikonia: indeed, for some extent
[14:03] <LjL> Tm_T: "we" who? #ubuntu-es is not under our direct jurisdiction
[14:03] <Tm_T> LjL: I know, we as "ubuntu community"
[14:03] <LjL> alright
[14:03] <Tm_T> we are not closed islands
[14:03] <ikonia> bazhang seems to have made a difference in -ru so far
[14:03] <LjL> but "we as the irc council", on the other hand, have been very much reluctant to meddle overly much in locos business
[14:03] <ikonia> from what I've read
[14:03] <LjL> well i'm sorry to say i haven't in -es
[14:04] <ikonia> LjL: locos represent ubuntu - I disagree on that
[14:04] <Tm_T> LjL: and that I do undestand
[14:04] <LjL> cannot be bothered enough, cannot read spanish enough, not enough patience
[14:04] <ikonia> thats a fair comment
[14:04] <LjL> i'm also an op in -it for that matter and barely ever used those privs
[14:04] <LjL> but they're sane in -it
[14:05] <Tm_T> LjL: you can imagine what kind of dictator I'm on finnish channels =)
[14:06]  * Tm_T does like to keep it clean, sometimes too clean
[14:06] <LjL> if there's a language i can't read, that's finnish - but yes, i can imagine nevertheless
[14:09] <Myrtti> and in Finnish channels we constantly remind people they represent Ubuntu
[14:09] <Myrtti> and should behave accordingly
[14:09] <Tm_T> aye
[14:10] <Tm_T> Myrtti: glad we have mjr too, gives some balance
[14:10] <Myrtti> I don't know about the rest of the ops, but personally I consider -fi channels responsible for two communties
[14:10] <Myrtti> the Finnish Ubuntu community and the Ubuntu IRC community
[14:10] <Tm_T> Myrtti: finnish and global? aye, agree on that
[14:10] <Myrtti> usually there isn't conflict
[14:11] <Myrtti> and I also have the habit of teaching and preaching everyone that they with their .fi TLD
[14:11] <Tm_T> (:
[14:11] <Myrtti> s represent us Finns globally and should act accordingly
[14:12] <Tm_T> I feel that way too
[14:12] <Tm_T> though, I go even further, all humans represent humankind
[14:13] <Myrtti> I don't understand the people who on purpose want to make themselves look like an ass
[14:13] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ...you saw my latest pic then?
[14:13]  * Tm_T hides
[14:13]  * Myrtti shuts up and goes to have a shower
[14:13] <Myrtti> Tm_T: no, I didn't...?
[14:13] <LjL> meh, what's with all the spaces
[14:14] <Tm_T> Myrtti: "on purpose want to make themselves look like an ass"
[14:14] <Myrtti> Tm_T: unless you meant the baby bath one
[14:14] <Tm_T> Myrtti: just joking on that though
[14:14] <Myrtti> oh
[14:15] <Myrtti> perhaps it's just that IRC as a method of communication is so well established in Finland
[14:15] <Tm_T> indeed
[14:15] <Myrtti> basically everyone knows the basic rules very fast
[14:16] <Myrtti> anyway
[14:16] <Myrtti> I'm off to have that shower
[14:24] <ikonia> how much / what weight is a USA "Stick of butter"
[14:24] <LjL> jrib: so what would be the currently supported way of installing flash anyway?
[14:24] <LjL> ikonia: are you trying to win the weirdest question of the day award?
[14:25] <ikonia> stupid american instructions
[14:25] <stdin> ikonia: go into the garden, find a stick, measure...
[14:25] <LjL> ikonia: n the USA, 1 stick of butter is 4 ounces which is 115 grams.
[14:25] <stdin> ;)
[14:25] <ikonia> awesome
[14:26] <ikonia> LjL: your multi-nationalism is most impressive
[14:26] <LjL> ikonia, err no, i just put "usa stick of butter" into google and pasted the first hit
[14:26] <ikonia> oh really, I did stick of butter weight and got crap
[14:26] <ikonia> right, cooking time
[14:26]  * ikonia bakes
[14:27] <jrib> LjL: I'd say the repositories are recommended since that provides for automatic updates
[14:27] <LjL> jrib: but flashplugin-nonfree *does* still work?
[14:27] <jrib> LjL: yes
[14:27] <LjL> jrib: and you get the same version as their .deb currently?
[14:28] <jrib> LjL: don't know.  In hardy I think that's not the case.  Last time I checked, hardy only had flash 9
[14:35] <LjL> jrib: paddy_eire says that .deb is in canonical's partner repos, in which case i'd say that should be the preferred way
[14:37] <jrib> LjL: oh
[14:38] <jrib> still not for 64bit though
[14:38] <LjL> jrib: the !flash wiki doesn't even mention 8.10 right now
[15:05] <LjL> client incoming
[15:06] <NotADJ> Oh my!
[15:07] <LjL> oh your
[15:07] <NotADJ> Martinp23 is an op :O
[15:07] <NotADJ> May I be unbanned from #ubuntu ?
[15:09] <LjL> NotADJ, i'd like to know first why you behaved like that
[15:10] <NotADJ> LjL: Can you pastebin the conversation?
[15:11] <LjL> sure, moment
[15:11] <NotADJ> Thank you.
[15:13] <LjL> NotADJ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/75985/
[15:14] <NotADJ> LjL: Well, the "Can I haz ops" was a joke. Secondly, !_ops was an accident. I didn't know what it did. 
[15:14] <Myrtti> ha      ha.
[15:14] <NotADJ> But if you look, I was a positive contributor in the channel.
[15:15] <LjL> NotADJ: ok, you need to keep something well in mind though, #ubuntu is a very busy channel where there's no space for jokes and anything that's not Ubuntu support. about 1500 people in there.
[15:15] <NotADJ> Not a troll.
[15:15] <NotADJ> Yes, I know.
[15:15] <NotADJ> I actually typed it in the wrong channel :P
[15:16] <ikonia> which channel where you trying to do it in ?
[15:16] <Myrtti> if you don't know what a command means, check it first in /msg ubottu
[15:16] <Myrtti> ikonia: that was #ubuntu
[15:16] <ikonia> no, if he did it in the wrong channel, which was he trying to do it in 
[15:16] <Myrtti> don't know what he wanted to try it in...
[15:16] <ikonia> I'm asking.
[15:17] <ikonia> NotADJ: which channel did you mean to type it in ?
[15:17] <NotADJ> ikonia: One on a different IRC network. I have a multi network irssi session.
[15:17] <ikonia> so you meant to type can you have ops and then !ops in a different network
[15:17] <ikonia> just so I'm clera
[15:17] <NotADJ> ikonia: Yes, actually.
[15:17] <ikonia> clear
[15:18] <ikonia> NotADJ: which channl on another network has the !ops command ?
[15:18] <NotADJ> They have 10+ bots in the chan.
[15:18] <ikonia> which one
[15:18] <NotADJ> ikonia: It was on ClueNet.
[15:18] <ikonia> which channel
[15:19] <LjL> is that where you get a clue?
[15:19] <ikonia> if your in a channel, should be a 5 second job to tell me which channel you meant to type it in
[15:19] <NotADJ> ikonia: I am talking in more than one channel atm.
[15:20] <ikonia> NotADJ: ok, which channel
[15:20] <LjL> NotADJ: yes, which channel did you try to do that in
[15:20] <NotADJ> ikonia: I PMed it to you.
[15:20] <NotADJ> But it is of little importance.
[15:20] <NotADJ> LjL: 
[15:20] <ikonia> NotADJ: #johnbot - or something
[15:20] <NotADJ> Yeah
[15:20] <ikonia> NotADJ: then your not in that channel ?
[15:20] <NotADJ> ikonia: ?
[15:21] <ikonia> NotADJ: how can you mean to type something in a channel your not in 
[15:21] <ikonia> or don't know the name of
[15:21] <NotADJ> ikonia: I was in it at the time...
[15:21] <ikonia> then why don't you know the name
[15:21] <ikonia> 15:19 <NotADJ> I think it was #johnbot or something
[15:21] <NotADJ> I haven't been on cluenet in a few days. I have a conflict w/ the admin?
[15:22] <ikonia> shocking
[15:22] <NotADJ> ikonia: ?
[15:22] <ikonia> well your in a conflict with the owner of that channel, yet your making funny and triggering bots in his channel, so "shocking" you have a conflict
[15:23] <NotADJ> ikonia: Um, the ownerof that channel isn't the admin of the network.
[15:23] <ikonia> ok, even less shocking
[15:23] <NotADJ> But the topic has strayed.
[15:23] <ikonia> yes because I don't believe you
[15:23] <ikonia> I wanted to find out more info
[15:23] <NotADJ> I am friends with the owner of the channel.
[15:23] <NotADJ> We were testing bots...
[15:24] <NotADJ> May I be unbanned?
[15:26] <NotADJ> ikonia: ^?
[15:26] <ikonia> not my call, I didn't ban you
[15:26] <NotADJ> Alright. LjL ^?
[15:28] <LjL> NotADJ, alright i want you to do something, namely read carefully enough the factoids i'm about to give you (and the contained links), and ping us when you're done, and tell us if you think you can respect them
[15:29] <NotADJ> LjL: I respected them until then :D
[15:29] <NotADJ> But that was a misunderstanding.
[15:29] <NotADJ> :P
[15:29] <NotADJ> But yes, I eventually would Like to develop for ubuntu
[15:30] <LjL> !etiquette > NotADJ    (NotADJ, see the private message from ubottu)
[15:31] <NotADJ> LjL: Will do!
[15:39] <NotADJ> LjL: Done
[15:44] <NotADJ> BBL
[15:49] <NotADJ> Back
[15:50] <NotADJ> Stupid winbloze
[15:51] <LjL> NotADJ, do you think you can follow those rules and guidelines?
[15:53] <NotADJ> LjL: Yes, I have always.
[15:56] <LjL> NotADJ: you can join
[15:56] <NotADJ> LjL: Thank you.
[15:57] <LjL> i'll @mark in pm
[16:00] <ikonia> think I see a bot
[16:01] <LjL> ikonia: don't ban just yet please
[16:01] <ikonia> not doing, got him in pm trying to work out the trigger
[16:02] <LjL> ikonia: /who phenny*
[16:02] <ikonia> yup
[16:02] <LjL> ikonia: work out the triggers from the http page linked.
[16:03] <LjL> but i want to investigate the TON of other such bots i see in /who
[16:03] <LjL> ok they mostly seem legitimate
[16:03] <ikonia> got it
[16:04] <ikonia> I'm remove the phenny bot
[16:04] <LjL> this one isn't, though
[16:04] <LjL> yes
[16:04] <ikonia> it quit when I banned it
[16:04] <ikonia> someone was controlling it
[16:05] <LjL> yes, clearly, but there's no one with that host
[16:05] <ikonia> yup
[16:05] <ikonia> first thing I checked
[16:05] <LjL> unless unless *shrug*
[16:05] <ikonia> annoying
[16:10] <Myrtti> runtu :-D
[16:14] <LjL> Myrtti: uRuntu! linuxen som är överallt runt på stan
[16:26] <Tm_T> .
[16:31] <ryanakca> Hmm... idbita is mumbling about god and the devil... supposedly it's a bot... any way to tell if it is? If it is, I suppose I should remove it?
[16:31] <LjL> ryanakca: it is, period
[16:32] <LjL> now changed realname
[16:32] <LjL> to hide the fact it's a bot
[16:32] <ikonia> gone
[16:32] <ryanakca> LjL: ah, ok. Thanks ikonia :)
[16:32] <Tm_T> ryanakca: see how I did checked it? works all the time =)
[16:32] <LjL> !staff
[16:32] <LjL> | idbita is a bot (a "Phenny Palmersbot, http://inamidst.com/phenny/"), banned from #ubuntu. has now changed realname, and joined other channels (##linux, ##slackware, #debian, #kubuntu)
[16:33] <ikonia> banned from #kubuntu now
[16:33] <LjL> some sort of Markov bot, or otherwise a "random sentences" bot
[16:33] <ryanakca> Tm_T: ah :)
[16:34] <Tm_T> ryanakca: if answer is something else than "no way" then it's not a human
[16:34] <ryanakca> Tm_T: *nod*
[16:46] <ikonia> I'll see if staff are available to check this, as it's a bit dubious
[16:47] <Tm_T> LjL: what's that?
[16:47] <LjL> Tm_T: a dirty trick
[16:47] <Tm_T> for...
[16:48] <ikonia> dragging the owner in 
[16:48] <LjL> Tm_T: to find out if the bot owner is who i think he is
[16:48] <ikonia> see if he's on the same ip address
[16:48] <Tm_T> I see
[16:48] <LjL> ikonia: you aren't missing a... beat are you ;)
[16:48] <ikonia> nice
[16:53] <bazhang> @bansearch thunar1
[16:54] <bazhang> @bansearch thunar
[16:55]  * nalioth is on top of the bot hunt
[16:55] <ikonia> danke
[16:56] <ikonia> he's busted
[16:56] <LjL> (the trick didn't work, he doesn't want to join)
[16:56] <ikonia> doesn't matter nal has busted him
[16:57] <bazhang> @bansearch woden1
[16:57] <bazhang> oho
[16:57] <ikonia> ?
[16:57] <bazhang> seems to be trolling in #kubuntu
[16:57] <LjL> nachox, FYI, we know that was a bot because it was patently such in #ubuntu earlier
[16:57] <bazhang> asking repeatedly if removing ubuntu-desktop will remove all of gnome
[16:57] <ikonia> eyes on him
[16:57] <LjL> then they rejoined with a real name that made it less clear they were a bot
[16:58] <LjL> and probably disabled the ".commands", i guess
[16:58] <bazhang> and being told repeatedly no.
[16:58] <nalioth> the owner has 'fessed up in another channel
[16:58] <nachox> LjL, does #ubuntu hae a channel log like ##slackware where we can check that?
[16:58] <nalioth> !log
[16:58] <bazhang> !1984
[16:58] <nalioth> nachox: are you here about the markov bot?
[16:58] <LjL> nachox: yes, see above
[16:58] <LjL> nalioth: i invited
[16:58] <LjL> i didn't like that being argued about in ##slackware
[16:58] <LjL> not my channel, but still
[16:59] <ikonia> wise
[16:59] <nalioth> nachox: i have found the bot's owner and requested the bot be removed from the network.
[16:59] <nachox> nalioth, thank you
[16:59] <ikonia> yet he denies it's anything to do with him
[16:59] <nalioth> nachox: if' it's still in ##slackware after a few minutes, please let me know
[16:59] <nalioth> ikonia: i know better.
[16:59] <ikonia> I know
[16:59] <ikonia> we all do 
[16:59] <ikonia> insulting to lie about it
[16:59] <LjL> nalioth, if the bot owner is who we were thinking, i'd recommend that you consider the fact that he's strongly denied it, and appealed to his freedom of speech rights etc etc
[17:00] <ikonia> claimed he was going to report me
[17:00] <ikonia> etc
[17:00] <nalioth> LjL: he's confessed in one of the channels
[17:00] <ikonia> then he's a lair
[17:00] <ikonia> and still running it in others
[17:01] <nalioth> ikonia: i'm in all the channels with the bot
[17:01] <ikonia> yup, just seen you join #slack
[17:03] <nachox> around what time was the bot active in #ubuntu?
[17:04] <LjL> nachox: checking, moment
[17:04] <nalioth> nachox: from 4 minutes into the previous hour
[17:04] <LjL> nachox: joined 15:50
[17:05] <nachox> damn, how many channels does ubuntu actually need? :P
[17:05] <LjL> nachox: we have a few
[17:05] <LjL> nachox: you can see that the main one already gets about 1500 people. it's tight.
[17:05] <nalioth> nachox: just short of 52 bazillion  :D
[17:07] <ikonia> @mark remote #ubuntu owner of a phenny bot - lies about owning it
[17:08] <nalioth> ok, peer caught up with idbita, not sure of the owner actually /quit it or not
[17:08] <Myrtti> Ubuntu Finland has three ;-)
[17:08] <nalioth> but it's gone for the moment
[17:08] <nalioth> Myrtti: three what?
[17:08] <Myrtti> channels
[17:09] <Myrtti> that I know of
[17:09] <LjL> i've done another @mark in private
[17:09] <nachox> idbita appears to have been active in the channel yes, but those interactions appear human made, except for the last one
[17:09] <Myrtti> oh, Tm_T might know if we have #kubuntu-fi as well
[17:10] <LjL> nachox, it's a Markov chains based bot, quite clearly
[17:10] <LjL> not the first bot that tries to sound human-like, by any means
[17:10] <LjL> and quite certainly not the last
[17:10] <LjL> nachox: do a /who phenny*
[17:10] <LjL> nachox: the realnames you can see are the realname that idbita used before being banned from #ubuntu
[17:11] <LjL> (note, those are legitimate though)
[17:11] <nachox> i'm ready to admit that he didnt make much sense though :)
[17:11] <LjL> nachox: look at the test we made in #kubuntu (yes, it bothered us there too)
[17:11] <LjL> [17:32:03] <Tm_T> idbita: hi, wanna hug?
[17:12] <LjL> [17:32:15] <idbita> For example simplymepis 70 is based on linex but since they draw additional packages and distributes such software.
[17:12] <nachox> hehe
[17:13] <bazhang> haha
[17:13] <nachox> i guess he did want a hug
[17:14] <bazhang> a ban-hug
[17:14] <nachox> anyway, thanks guys
[17:15] <LjL> welcome
[17:17] <LjL> oh cool, it didn't need asking
[17:20] <bazhang> @bansearch justizin
[17:22] <LjL> ikonia: manzur is still mixing up #ubuntu and #ubuntu-es...
[17:22] <LjL> joined both, and asked a question in english in -es
[17:23] <ikonia> silly thing
[17:23] <LjL> switched to spanish now, i guess he realized
[17:23] <ikonia> not sure what to do with justizin
[17:23] <bazhang> he quit
[17:24] <ikonia> ahh good, that makes it a bit easier
[17:24]  * LjL was waiting for it...
[17:24] <bazhang> after the perennial get the last word in of course
[17:24] <manzur> hello, in there can you take off my ban from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:24] <ikonia> og course, 
[17:24] <manzur> please?
[17:25] <bazhang> manzur, why were you removed from there?
[17:25] <stdin> bazhang: ident ban
[17:25] <manzur> bazhang: si
[17:25] <ikonia> manzur: you where asked to change it earlier I believe
[17:25] <bazhang> manzur, you cant have the name jesus as ident
[17:25] <LjL> ikonia, that "John Doe" realname reminds me of something. let me investigate.
[17:25] <ikonia> LjL: me also, I'm looking too
[17:25] <manzur> ikonia: but now i am manzur
[17:26] <ikonia> manzur: no - your still jesus
[17:26] <bazhang> * manzur (n=jesus@190.143.12.195) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[17:26] <LjL> manzur, it's your ident
[17:26] <ikonia> 17:24 -!- manzur [n=jesus@190.143.12.195] has joined #ubuntu-ops
[17:26] <bazhang> no you're not
[17:26] <manzur> LjL: how can i change it?
[17:26] <manzur> LjL: explain it to me please!
[17:26] <LjL> manzur: depends what IRC client you're using
[17:26] <manzur> pidggin
[17:26] <LjL> manzur: i'm not very familiar with it, let me look
[17:26] <ikonia> manzur: what do you log into your machine as ?
[17:27] <ikonia> manzur: as in what is your ubuntu login username
[17:27] <manzur> ikonia: jesus
[17:27] <ikonia> manzur: there we go
[17:27] <ikonia> it's normally taken from your ubuntu login name
[17:27] <bazhang> manzur, what irc client
[17:27] <manzur> ikonia: but i was crazy yesterday trying to find a way to change
[17:27] <ikonia> pidgen
[17:27] <manzur> it
[17:27] <manzur> i almost broke my system
[17:27] <bazhang> manzur, change in pidgin prefs
[17:27] <manzur> bazhang: and then?
[17:28] <LjL> manzur: it's in Accounts / Manage account / Advanced / Username
[17:28] <LjL> no sorry not Manage account
[17:28] <bazhang> manzur, and then try to join
[17:28] <LjL> Accounts / your freenode account / Edit account
[17:29] <manzur> but where i dont see anything, called "jesus"
[17:29] <LjL> manzur: yes, it's empty by default
[17:29] <manzur> can i change my login name?
[17:29] <LjL> if it's empty, your ubuntu username is used
[17:30] <LjL> but if you put something in it, it will be used instead
[17:30] <LjL> you could put manzur
[17:30] <manzur> LjL: but how can i change my login name?
[17:30] <LjL> manzur: that's not easy
[17:30] <manzur> LjL: please tell me
[17:30] <manzur> LjL: but you know how?
[17:30] <manzur> !
[17:30] <LjL> manzur: it involves moving your home directory to a new place. i don't recommend doing it
[17:31] <Myrtti> it's not easy, it's easier to enter a username  in pidgin.
[17:31] <LjL> manzur: yes, i do, you need to move your home, and edit /etc/passwd accordingly, but if you really want to do it (and i don't recommend it!), ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es
[17:31] <manzur> ok
[17:31] <manzur> LjL: there you go
[17:31] <manzur> and now?
[17:32] <manzur> i typed manzur
[17:32] <LjL> manzur: now disconnect from irc and reconnect, if you have changed it
[17:32] <manzur> ok
[17:32] <manzur> i'll be back
[17:33] <LjL> now tell me something. is it a better idea to keep a very common spanish first name banned from our channels, and then teach people how to change their idents (something which, honestly, i'd rather they'd not know), or...?
[17:33] <ikonia> is jesus a common spanish name (I actually don't mind someone being called jesus in the ident)
[17:33] <LjL> ikonia: absolutely
[17:34] <ikonia> same as someone called mohammed
[17:34] <manzur> and now?
[17:34] <LjL> manzur: you didn't change it properly i'm afraid
[17:34] <manzur> whre do i have to type it?
[17:34] <manzur> Local Alias?
[17:35] <LjL> no, i really though it's Username
[17:35] <manzur> User name
[17:35] <manzur> ?
[17:35] <LjL> but in Advanced, not in Basic
[17:35] <LjL> let me check again...
[17:35] <manzur> and real name?
[17:35] <manzur> and SSL
[17:35] <manzur> ?
[17:35] <LjL> real name can be what you want
[17:36] <LjL> doesn't matter, leave them as the defaults
[17:36] <manzur> what is SSL?
[17:36] <LjL> it's not relevant
[17:36] <manzur> i changed it, but what is SSL for?
[17:37] <manzur> please tell me
[17:37] <manzur> can you?
[17:37] <LjL> manzur: this isn't a support channel. anyway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSL
[17:37] <manzur> ok now i have to re login wait
[17:38] <manzur> and now?
[17:38] <LjL> you've made it
[17:38] <manzur> so now i can login #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:38] <LjL> yes
[17:38] <manzur> ok thannks and bye, God bless you all!
[17:38] <Myrtti> happy ircing
[17:38] <manzur> Myrtti: (Y)
[17:39] <LjL> how much wasted time was this?
[17:39] <LjL> *shrug*
[17:39]  * Myrtti waits for the FLASH 64-BIT IS HERE at -ot
[17:42] <ikonia> was he the guy who did that ?
[17:43] <Myrtti> I think so
[17:43] <Myrtti> @bansearch manzur
[17:43] <ikonia> yes he was
[17:43] <ikonia> another one who lies about it 
[17:46] <ikonia> well that was worth it, said hi and left
[17:47] <LjL> yeah
[17:47] <Myrtti> yet another happy customer
[17:47] <LjL> the only thing that comforts me is that it's time i'd have wasted in any case
[17:47] <LjL> like most of my time
[17:47] <ikonia> I'm ripping my family guy dvd's for the myth server
[17:47] <ikonia> tediously killing time
[17:48] <Myrtti> I'm procrastinating
[17:48] <Myrtti> just cooked, pasta with shrooms, sausage and garlic with pesto
[17:48] <ikonia> I made peppermint cookies :)
[17:48] <Myrtti> beverage of choice: non-alcoholic glögi
[17:49] <ikonia> I'm also marinading tuna steak in a tequilla sauce
[17:49] <Myrtti> chinchin
[17:49] <LjL> Myrtti: sounds yummy - as well as a sentence to not see anyone (at least at less than a meter distance) for the next day
[17:49] <ikonia> Myrtti: I've got some of that finish drink that jussi left me that tastes like anasead
[17:49] <ikonia> Myrtti: I've been using that to cook
[17:49] <Myrtti> hmmm? salmiakkikossu?
[17:50] <LjL> don't start with line noise now
[17:50] <Myrtti> tervasnapsi?
[17:50] <ikonia> yes
[17:50] <ikonia> salmiakkikossu?
[17:50] <Myrtti> salmiakkikossu snork
[17:50] <ikonia> nice
[17:50] <Myrtti> *REPS*
[17:50] <Myrtti> what have you been cooking with that :-DDDD
[17:50] <ikonia> made a beef dish
[17:50] <ikonia> woked quite well
[17:51] <Myrtti> I can imagine, they actually do use salmiakki to marinade beef and pork
[17:51] <ikonia> there you go
[17:51] <bazhang> wokked
[17:51] <ikonia> I am the chef
[17:51] <ikonia> bazhang: grrrr worked
[17:51] <Myrtti> ikonia: yes you are :-D
[17:51] <bazhang> wokked works too (eg use a wok) :)
[17:51] <Myrtti> ikonia: I prefer my salmiakki in ice cream though :-D
[17:51] <LjL> ikonia: you know you've got too much finnish in your head when you start randomly doubling consonants...
[17:52] <ikonia> LjL: concur
[17:52] <ikonia> Myrtti: I've got another drink that jussi01 left me for icecream
[17:52] <Myrtti> lakkalikööri
[17:52] <ikonia> I think thats it
[17:52] <ikonia> I'd have to check the label
[17:52] <Myrtti> cloudberry liqueur
[17:53] <Myrtti> so now half the channel has been corrupted with Finnish booze
[17:53] <ikonia> missed HardPhuck in #ubuntu
[17:53] <ikonia> Myrtti thats it !
[17:53] <ikonia> cloudberry
[17:53] <Myrtti> though ompaul gave his cloudberry liqueur to mjg59 :-<
[17:53] <ikonia> it's nice
[17:53] <Myrtti> I don't know if Jono has already drank his
[17:54] <ikonia> I'm working on a way to try to cool it a little to make it a little more syrpy and not melt the icecream
[17:54] <Myrtti> I also haven't checked what PriceChild thought of his salmiakkikossu
[17:54] <ikonia> I like it
[17:54] <ikonia> good to drink as a shot
[17:54] <ikonia> I may get some more sent over
[17:55] <Myrtti> ah, yes.
[17:55] <Myrtti> I think I gave Nafallo and Ng a bottle each of salmiakkikossu
[17:56] <Myrtti> and Mez cloudberry liqueur
[17:56] <LjL> when did you all meet
[17:57] <Myrtti> mid-June, LUGradio Live
[17:57] <Myrtti> er
[17:57] <Myrtti> July
[17:57] <LjL> ah
[17:57] <LjL> uhuhm
[17:57] <LjL> !cloning
[17:57] <LjL> !clone
[17:58] <LjL> !-clone
[17:58] <ikonia> I saw jussi01 a few weeks ago, thats t
[17:58] <LjL> !no clone is <reply> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --disable-columns --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate
[17:58] <LjL> !no cloning is <alias> clone
[17:58] <LjL> little mistake
[17:58] <Myrtti> oh, yeah.
[17:58] <Myrtti> LjL: I work from home, remember?
[17:59] <LjL> Myrtti: actually, no i don't
[17:59] <Myrtti> pwah
[17:59] <Myrtti> anyway, I can cook as garlicy food as I want
[17:59] <LjL> Myrtti: me too
[17:59] <LjL> i don't work to begin with
[18:00] <bazhang> vall in #k
[18:00] <ikonia> LjL: thats the dream
[18:00] <ikonia> too late I'd done it
[18:00] <ikonia> sorry
[18:00] <bazhang> heh
[18:00] <LjL> :P
[18:00] <bazhang> only on certain requests
[18:01] <Myrtti> [20:00] < blackpearl> ay^ : can you tell why .deb files do not ask for PATH where  it need to be installed just like in Windows ??
[18:01]  * Myrtti facepalms
[18:01] <ikonia> it's a fair question for someone coming across from windows
[18:01] <LjL> nice question
[18:01] <Myrtti> ikonia: sure
[18:01] <LjL> yes, and kinda difficult to answer too
[18:02] <ikonia> yes, it's one of the explination that seems negative 
[18:02] <Myrtti> I had to bite my tongue not to say "because this isn't windows"
[18:02] <Myrtti> I'm an AWFUL person.
[18:02] <ikonia> nonsense
[18:03] <LjL> i hope mine's better then
[18:03] <ikonia> LjL: it's really hard to justify "linux puts it where it wants, not where you want" without sounding negative
[18:04] <LjL> ikonia: also considering that i, myself, hate that ;)
[18:04] <ikonia> LjL: but you can re-package if you want
[18:04] <ikonia> it's different for new users
[18:04] <LjL> ikonia: oh for that matter i can just use "mv", but that doesn't make it sound...
[18:04] <LjL> ikonia: i just don't like the posix hyerarchy myself
[18:05] <ikonia> pros and cons
[18:06] <LjL> ikonia: both sorting concepts make sense. but in posix, the *names* themselves are awful to begin with
[18:06] <LjL> usr? etc? plz? omg?
[18:07] <LjL> wtf?
[18:07] <ikonia> ;)
[18:09] <Myrtti> hey, don't waste characters.
[18:09] <Myrtti> every time you use a character in vain, god kills a SCO coder.
[18:09] <Myrtti> or a puppy
[18:09] <LjL> bah, ftl imo
[18:10]  * LjL just wants the AmigaOS naming scheme period
[18:11] <Myrtti> I suck in packaging.
[18:11]  * LjL checkinstalls a better version of Myrtti
[18:11] <Myrtti> thanks
[18:11] <Myrtti> I just installed amora-server with checkinstall.
[18:12] <LjL> i don't really know what that is, but installing something that ends with "-server" with checkinstall sounds doom-like
[18:12] <ikonia> ha ha
[18:13] <Myrtti> LjL: >__<
[18:13] <Myrtti> You got a cellphone with bluetooth and still need to manually control slides when making a presentation?
[18:13] <Myrtti> Don't worry anymore, Amora (A mobile remote assistant) implements control of mouse and most of keyboard shortcuts (ESC, ENTER, SPACE, arrow keys, etc) making easy this task. Not only that, but you can take screenshots of the active window in your current graphic session (i.e. see thumbnails of PC windows in your cellphone screen). 
[18:14] <Myrtti> Currently, the client is implemented in Python for S60 (Nokia cellphones) and the server is written in C programming language using Xlib and XTest to send events for X session and POSIX socket API for I/O.
[18:14] <Myrtti> *pllllllöör*
[18:14] <LjL> oh right, i should have known it was something S60
[18:15] <LjL> Myrtti: now i'll laugh at you
[18:16] <LjL> !info amora-server jaunty | Myrtti
[18:16] <Myrtti> excellent
[18:16] <Myrtti> so in April I don't have to package it anymore
[18:16] <LjL> Myrtti: not even now most likely... chances are the jaunty source package would work
[18:16]  * LjL tries, although /me is on hardy
[18:16] <Myrtti> pft.
[18:17] <Myrtti> I refuse to be laughed at.
[18:17] <LjL> not something you can control immafraid
[18:17] <Myrtti> wrong
[18:20] <LjL> Myrtti: echo "deb-src http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get build-dep amora-server ; sudo apt-get --build source amora-server ; sudo dpkg -i amora-server*.deb
[18:20] <Myrtti> shutup
[18:20] <bazhang> someone want to ban forward thomas_ in #k
[18:22] <LjL> Myrtti: http://ljl.byethost14.com/amora-server_1.1-1_i386.deb
[18:22] <LjL> although that's compiled for hardy so might not work in intrepid
[18:22] <LjL> ;P
[18:23] <Myrtti> LjL: and I've already got the checkinstalled version, thxvrymch
[18:23] <LjL> Myrtti: ok, see you again after you've finished unbreaking your system then :P
[18:24]  * Myrtti considers pouring two deciliters of fresh pesto on LjLs hair
[18:25] <LjL> Myrtti: no thanks, i'm more into traditional hairdressing methods
[18:33] <Myrtti> anyway, if anyone wants the AMD64 deb for amora-server on intrepid...
[18:33] <LjL> ... they compile it from the jaunty source.
[18:34] <Myrtti> as I did just now
[18:34] <Myrtti> shut up
[18:34] <Myrtti> you're ruining my evening.
[18:34] <LjL> Myrtti: here, have some mushrooms.
[18:42] <genii> Good aftrnoon, evening, or morning
[18:46] <genii> And moin to Myrtti :)
[18:46] <Myrtti> moin genii
[18:55] <genii> LjL: Weirdness with bot in #ubuntu ?
[18:58] <LjL> genii: not really weird, i just used it badly
[18:59] <genii> Ah, OK
[19:00] <LjL> #ubuntu [20:00:04] <__mikem> LjL: PM, kind of important
[19:00] <LjL> you might imagine what it's about
[19:01] <LjL> of course he has to ask in #ubuntu
[19:01] <LjL> [20:00:47] <LjL> __mikem: and you couldn't tell me in -ot?
[19:01] <LjL> [20:01:04] <__mikem> LjL: i didn't know you were there
[19:01] <LjL> what the hell is he talking about, of course i'm there
[19:01] <genii> Weird
[19:08] <genii> LjL: The guy asks then doesn't bother to show up
[19:08] <LjL> genii: perhaps it wasn't an ubuntu channel *shrug*
[19:09] <genii> Ah, maybe
[19:09] <genii> I suppose he'd need #freenode then or so
[19:10] <LjL> he's in there
[19:52] <genii> Bah. Logging in as root talk again in #u
[20:05] <Mez> mmm... python
[20:05] <ikonia> doing anything fun with it ?
[20:06] <Mez> writing a site in django :)
[20:06] <ikonia> oh
[20:06] <ikonia> bazhang: you awake ?
[20:19] <Myrtti> oh shoot.
[20:19] <Myrtti> it's sunday ten o'clock again
[20:19]  * genii sips
[20:19] <ikonia> genii: your coffee intake is excessive
[20:20] <Myrtti> even I don't drink as much :-P
[20:20] <genii> ikonia: Yes, I agree
[20:20] <Myrtti> in fact, I didn't have any yesterday, or today, or on Friday
[20:20] <ikonia> genii: I'm only teasing
[20:21] <genii> I've been up for 2 hours nd had 5 coffees already in fact
[20:22] <Myrtti> pink emacs in console ^___^
[20:22] <Myrtti> mwahaha
[20:23] <genii> Myrtti: I thought the Finns were big on coffee, actually
[20:23] <Myrtti> genii: I'm not
[20:23] <Flannel> ikonia, LjL: he was banned from -ot by chanserv, and bansearch didn't show any other bans
[20:24] <Myrtti> I only learned it five years ago
[20:24] <Flannel> manzur, that is.
[20:24] <ikonia> Flannel: who ?
[20:25] <Flannel> ikonia: manzur, the jesus guy.
[20:25] <ikonia> ah
[20:25] <ikonia> I banned him in #ubuntu a few days ago, he was telling a few fibs about what he was doing
[20:26] <ikonia> I think that was one of the bans you removed (rightly) in your clean up
[20:26]  * Myrtti whinces a bit
[20:27] <Flannel> ikonia: er, I should've only removed bans I put in.
[20:27] <ikonia> nah, I put a comment in saying "if he comes back in a few days and is a bit more up front remove the ban"
[20:27] <ikonia> so I assumed you'd removed it because I put a comment in 
[20:27] <Flannel> Oh
[20:27] <Flannel> wait
[20:28] <Flannel> This was the 64bit flash guy too
[20:28] <ikonia> thats him
[20:29] <Flannel> Yeah, I talked to him about #u vs -ot and stuff.  Yep.  The chanserv -ot thing was a separate thing
[20:29] <ikonia> yup, I thought you had done
[20:37] <elkbuntu> hrm... alot of activity here today
[20:38] <ikonia> really
[20:38] <ikonia> seems quiet to me
[20:44] <Flannel> ikonia: jesus is a rather (normal) common name.
[20:44] <ikonia> yup
[20:46] <Myrtti> since when has installing audacious required restarting hald?
[20:46] <Myrtti> like, errrr, LOLWHUT?!
[20:47] <Myrtti> load average: 9.10, 9.49, 4.74
[20:47] <Myrtti> yum
[20:48] <ikonia> rather busy
[20:48] <LjL> looks like my box when running amarok
[20:56] <Tm_T> shame my box only hits ~0.05 while running Amarok
[20:58] <LjL> my amarok definitely has a problem but i never could pinpoint it (or bothered enough)
[21:03] <Tm_T> LjL: hmm, install needed -dbg packages and run it from console etc (:)
[21:03] <Tm_T> also valgrind!
[21:03]  * Myrtti giggles
[21:03] <Tm_T> that would kill your system for good =)
[21:09] <jussi01> Morning all
[21:14] <Myrtti> moin jussi01 
[21:15] <Tm_T> hi jussi01 
[21:18] <ikonia> attack
[21:19] <Tm_T> was IRSeekBot allowed to our channels?
[21:19] <ikonia> ughhh this again
[21:19] <ikonia> I thought it wasn't 
[21:19] <Tm_T> same here, though...
[21:19] <ikonia> but then I thought it was turned a blind eye to because it was scraping the logs
[21:21] <LjL> it is allowed
[21:21] <Myrtti> I just love the fact I have to read and mark acknowledment of our companys Windows security policy
[21:21] <Tm_T> thanks
[21:21] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:21] <LjL> what i don't understand is why the floodbots seem to have forgot about the "mass join" attack trigger lately
[21:21] <ikonia> there we go
[21:22] <Flannel> We are allowing IRSeek now?
[21:22] <Myrtti> haven't we always?
[21:22] <Tm_T> Myrtti: lovely, isn't it
[21:22] <Flannel> I don't remember.
[21:22] <Myrtti> Tm_T: it is :-D
[21:22] <Tm_T> Myrtti: not always
[21:22] <Myrtti> makes me chuckle
[21:22] <Tm_T> heh
[21:22] <ikonia> thought it was just the fact that it scraped made the logs made banning it pointless
[21:22] <Flannel> Eh, I feel dirty now.
[21:23] <LjL> ah right perhaps we made it scrape the logs lately...
[21:33] <genii> Since on Quassel going /away now. See you all later
[21:35] <Tm_T> it is!
[21:36]  * Tm_T hides
[21:36] <Myrtti> XFCE!
[21:36] <Tm_T> (:)
[21:37] <Tm_T> WindowMaker !!
[21:53] <ikonia> 21:53 -!- Shity_TL [n=shifty@ip72-199-174-132.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu
[21:54] <ikonia> his ident is shifty, but his nick is shity
[21:55] <PriceChild> Eyes on NoIdeaMan.
[21:56] <ikonia> he's been watched all day
[21:56] <PriceChild> Sorry didn't see anything in lastlog.
[21:56] <ikonia> he's been in / out a few times
[21:56] <PriceChild> but that would be because i wasn't connected, doh
[21:57] <ikonia> duh.
[21:59] <PriceChild> anyway, off to work, have a nice evening.
[21:59] <ikonia> night shift
[21:59] <ikonia> ?
[21:59] <Myrtti> have fun PriceChild 
[21:59] <ikonia> can I ring for support ?
[21:59] <Myrtti> yay, I managed to file hours in for this week on time
[21:59] <Myrtti> 2008-11-23 23:59:44
[21:59] <Myrtti> WOOOO
[21:59] <Myrtti> PARTEE
[23:28] <Myrtti> shutup
[23:29]  * Myrtti kicks ubottu 
[23:29]  * Myrtti sods off