[00:26] I lost control of thunar, though it still displays new files. iIe tried to kill it with killall thunar and killall -9 thunar, but this failed. What can I do? [00:39] Hmm, what happened to this otherwise lively IRC channel? === coldhak is now known as Pete_I === Pete_I is now known as Coldhak [01:37] hey! I'm on irc! [01:37] yes u Я [01:45] ф [01:46] how do i get all the characters in the character map applet to display? [01:46] do i need to install all the language packs to do that [01:46] ? [01:47] * ball doesn't know what that is. [01:48] applications>accessories>character map [01:49] I broke my Xubuntu machine, so I can't try it. [01:56] Hello, does anyone know if it's possible to install Xubuntu using a flash drive? [02:02] Xylia: not sure i think u might be able to [02:03] okay, thanks [02:03] try the xubuntu website i think in there it tells how to do alternate installs [03:11] in xfce, how do i allign icons to the right? they all seem to allign left [03:41] hellohello [03:41] hihi [03:42] what up redheaded stepchild [03:44] :) [03:44] * firecrotch is on fire === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [04:34] Anybody know how to make the ubuntu installer totally leave your ntfs partition alone? [04:34] Hello People. [04:34] anybody know how to change the grub splash image? [04:34] I have this need to make it even prettier. [04:34] yeah here follow this link [04:36] link... [04:39] yeah freakin did bookmark the worlds most awesome page, ferk [04:46] Hello Poeple. [04:47] People. [04:47] bitmouse: have windows xp running on this machine. [04:47] and xubuntu is running on a small 5G parition. [04:48] what xubuntu install did you use, and did you create a boot partition or have xubunutu install the linux boot files to the windows MBR? [04:49] oh I see. yeah I just used the xubuntu CD. I booted into it in livecd mode then resized ntfs down. Then created the partition and the auto installed. [04:49] so yeah it's in the main disk mbr. [04:49] grub controls booting. [04:50] I have just installed xubuntu on my thinkpad ... very nice! [04:52] how the pad? [04:53] BOBBY: hmm, did you just let it do what ever it wanted to do, as far as install? [04:55] bitmouse: right. Just let it install using default install scheme. This is a work laptop so I didn't want to mess with any partitions too m,uch. [04:56] bitmouse: but when installing gentoo or something else, I'll mess with parititions little more freely. [04:56] reboot for test. [05:05] Hello Peopl. [05:05] Hello People. [05:10] hello [05:12] ok, didn't work. rebooting again :) [05:23] hi. how is software raid set up in xubuntu? [05:35] how come ristretto got replaced w/ gpicview? [05:50] i've just installed xubuntu, want this computer to use openbox - help to install? [06:17] I've just install Xubuntu on a ThinkPad X40. Install went fine, booted into it first time OK, but now when i boot it, I sometimes (about one boot in 3, I don't know what triggers it) get an error on boot that X fails to start and dropped to a CLI login. when i log in, the file system is read only, and i cant perform any write operations on any files, even with sudo... anyone seen this or something similar before ? [06:59] will xmms work in xubuntu? [07:23] crap....when did this bug come back? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/77702 [07:23] i didnt have this issue on 8.04...but it seems to be back on 8.10 :( [07:24] xfdesktop and xfce4-menu-plug ar using 1/3 of my systems memory(2 gigs) [10:30] how do i get a dvd to play? [12:47] How can I delete my saved session? It now starts with a few terminals open, but I do not want that. [12:48] they are stored in ~/.cache/sessions [12:51] And it is save to delete anything in there? [12:51] Just to be sure :) [12:52] yes [12:52] Thanks, will check now with a reboot [13:17] i installed gnome desktop then hanged my mind and uninstalled it, but the appliations that were installed and everything were still there. is there a 1 command that will remove it all? [13:17] *changed [13:17] apt-get autoremove --purge [13:18] thanks [13:20] TheSheep, i did that i got this message E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [13:20] E: Unable to lock the download directory [13:21] do you know whats wrong? [13:23] you have to put 'sudo' before the command, to execute it as root [13:25] i did [13:26] i don't understand why its doing this. maybe i'll just take 20 minutes to do a complete reinstall [13:28] hardcore, what issue? [13:28] ok its working now, thanks man [13:29] happy that just showing up fixes things! [13:29] =] [13:30] now its saying the network manager applet could not find some required and it can't continue, but it does continue anyway [13:31] it says can't continue but still does haha [13:31] * vidd uses wicd instead of nm [13:32] huh? [13:32] * vidd does not used the network manager app [13:32] * vidd uses the app "wicd" instead [13:33] whats that? [13:33] its a different network interface tool [13:33] oh ok [13:34] i think i'm just gonna do a reinstall [13:34] brb [13:34] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ [13:34] thanks [13:34] might just as well try this b4 fresh install [13:35] wicd requires you remove network manager completely [13:35] how do i do it? [13:35] if ya like it, no fresh install needed [13:36] should i download wicd then try again? [13:36] well....what is it that you are trying to do? [13:36] remember....i cam in long after you stated your issue [13:36] get passed the network applet not finding stuff [13:36] its ok [13:37] i'm gonna install it and then try it again [13:37] wicd is good at finding networks [13:37] wicd i mean [13:37] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=194573 is the download page for the deb [13:38] let me know if you need any help setting things up [13:38] =] [13:38] ok thanks [13:38] btw....what kind of wifi card ya got? [13:38] (have you made sure the wifi card works correctly) [13:39] i'm using a wired connection, but i do have a wifi card also [13:39] have you verified the wifi card is configured correctly? [13:39] it works by default [13:40] no problem with the wifi at all [13:40] has it ever connected to wifi since this install? [13:40] yep [13:40] ok.... [13:41] some people get broadcom cards that has the driver pre-installed...but no firmware for the card to actually work..... [13:41] wanted to make sure something like this isnt happening to you =] [13:41] Error: conflicts withthe installed package 'network-manager' [13:41] thats what it said when i double clicked after downloaded [13:42] right [13:42] like i said...you have to completely remove network-manager [13:42] oh, how do i do that? [13:42] the easiest way to install this is via command line ..... [13:42] oh ok [13:44] vidd, it says E: Couldn't find package network [13:44] sudo apt-get remove --purge network-manager && sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/[pkg name] && sudo apt-get install -f [13:44] oh ok thanks [13:44] the apt-get install -f may not be needed [13:45] sorry...i type slow =] [13:45] do i just insert what its called on the desktop? [13:45] yes [13:45] rplace [pkg name] with the name of the package [13:46] do i include &&? [13:46] the && means "after that, do this" [13:47] its a way to string multiple commands into one line [13:48] you could do just the "sudo ...." on seperate lines [13:48] * vidd thinks he is adding to the confusion....... [13:48] nah [13:50] is this software supported by canonical? [13:50] no [13:50] oh [13:50] is it necessary to update it? [13:50] not yet anyway [13:50] oh ok [13:51] there is a repo for it..... [13:51] i don't know [13:51] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php [13:51] that includes instructions for adding the repo as well [13:52] thanks [13:52] * vidd does not add repos [13:55] hardcore, i figure there is no sence adding the repo's if you dont like the app and your going to format and re-install fresh [13:55] =] [13:55] i added the repo [13:55] thanks [13:55] then all upi need to do is sudo apt-get install wicd [13:56] lemme know what ya think [13:57] do you like wicd better than network manager? [13:58] yes [13:58] its like comparing a moped to a 747 [13:58] =] [14:00] so what do you think? [14:00] (you might need to launch it from the network menu the first time you use it) [14:01] i just did the sudo apt-get autoremove --purge command again and it said 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded [14:02] well...then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:02] ok [14:03] ok brb [14:05] when i try to update i get a huge errormessage [14:06] can you pastebin it for me [14:06] !pastebin | hardcore [14:06] hardcore: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [14:06] how do i pastebin? [14:06] see above =] [14:07] chances are, you did not add the keyring after you added the repo, or you have that dpkg tool still open [14:08] how do i make it to where you can see the pastebin? [14:09] when you save.....copy the new ULR [14:09] (the address [14:09] and paste that here [14:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/75956/ [14:10] hardcore, just as i suspected.....you forgot a step when adding the repo [14:11] oh ok, which step? [14:11] just run this line: [14:11] wget -q http://apt.wicd.net/wicd.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - [14:11] hi, how do I remove entries from either autostart or the /home/.config permanently? simply deleting them doesn't work [14:12] vidd do i just type that in the terminal? [14:12] hardcore, just copy/paste ...but yes [14:13] nyn, have you gone into the autostarted applications in the applications->settings->settings manager? [14:13] i have to type it, it only gives me the options for ircstuff [14:13] [ctrl]+[c] (just like windows stole from unix) [14:14] yes I have, the appliations that start up automatically after logging in are not even listed there, I found them in the /home/.confi though [14:14] nyn, did you delete your saved sessions? [14:15] I'm not even sure that I have any sessions saved, where would I look that up? [14:15] hardcore, did you catch that? you have to use ctrl+c to copy, [14:15] oh ok [14:15] i found the same command on the site you posted earlier [14:16] yes...that is where i got it to post here =] [14:16] nyn, should be in your .cache/sessions folder [14:17] ok i tried to update and got that big error message again [14:18] idk for sure nyn .... i never saved sessions ever since the powers that be added that retarded funtion auto-selected [14:18] there are many files in ./cache/sessions most of them something with Thunar, can I just delete them and thats it? [14:18] nyn, if any are needed, they will be re-written [14:19] vidd, still get the big error message [14:19] alright then, thank you very much, that has been driving me crazy :) [14:19] hardcore, there must be something using your sources.list file..... [14:20] is synaptic open? that app that came up when you double-clicked the deb file on your desktop? [14:20] ok ok i'lltry that [14:20] synaptic is open [14:20] that will do it [14:20] still get a big error message [14:21] close synaptic (or reload, mark all updates, apply) [14:21] pastebin it for me [14:21] vidd, one last thing: I cannot remember ever having agreed to save any sessions and I'm very sure that I've never checked the respective box on the logout screen, how can I prevent any sessions from being saved? [14:22] the box is auto-checked by default....you have to UNcheck the blasted, evil contraption [14:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/75959/ [14:23] it is not checked on my screen, anyway I'll reboot now and see if it worked :) [14:24] hardcore, there was no error that time [14:24] the update completed [14:24] type "clear" [14:25] then do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [14:25] oh ok [14:26] the output you got was it reporting that it was able to check each repo in your sources.list file [14:26] nyn, better? [14:26] vidd: it worked, thank you very much :) [14:26] its not updating [14:26] nyn, 86.50 Euro (plus tax) =] [14:26] i get the same message, and no updating [14:26] XD [14:26] hardcore, pastebin it? [14:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/75964/ [14:29] instead of updating i get that [14:30] hardcore, that IS the update output..... [14:30] you need to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:31] that will take the updated list of packages, and install (upgrade) all packages that need to be upgraded [14:31] *or rather, can be upgraded [14:31] robert@robert-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:31] Reading package lists... Done [14:31] Building dependency tree [14:31] Reading state information... Done [14:31] Calculating upgrade... Done [14:31] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [14:32] thats what it still says [14:32] yeah...you are now up to date [14:32] oh ok [14:32] it usually displays the update box when i type sudo apt-get update [14:32] in the future, try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [14:32] is there a reason that box doesn't come up anymore? [14:33] hardcore, you are thinking "update-manager" not "sudo apt-get update" [14:34] i thought it is the same thing, before installing wicd it would bring up the updatemanager [14:34] is that a normal difference after installing wicd? [14:34] no.... [14:35] its the diffence between using command line tools and graphic tools [14:35] Hello, yesterday my screen was fine [14:35] but the command tool use to display the graphic tool, just like typing an app does [14:35] It was running @ 1028 x 768 [14:35] before talking to me, you likely used synaptic to install programs [14:35] Now when I turned it on todayt [14:36] My display is blue and I have been reduced to 800 x 600 [14:36] can i still use synaptic to install programs? [14:36] hardcore, absolutely [14:36] you should be able to change your resolution in the settings [14:36] hardcore, I used to be able to go up to 1024 x 768 [14:36] but now I cannot. [14:36] vidd, how come it doesn't display the graphic tool after typing it in anymore? just worried something is wrong [14:37] its just i prefer to give one-line commands you copy/paste into a terminal then "click here....scroll down for six days.....click there...." [14:37] And my screen is completely covered in a shade of light blue [14:37] NVM [14:37] had a plug out. [14:37] TheKing, what kind of changes have you made any? if any [14:37] retart [14:37] anyway [14:38] vidd, how come before installing wicd typing sudo apt-get update would bring up the graphical tool but not now? [14:38] hardcore, im not sure what graphic tool you are expecting to see [14:38] vidd, update manager [14:38] apt-get update would NEVER bring up a graphic tool [14:38] really? i must be mistaken, sorry about that [14:39] is there a command to remove all software and other stuff added after installing gnome-desktop? [14:39] i removed gnome, but now there's all kinds of stuff on my system remaining [14:39] !purexfce | hardcore [14:39] hardcore: If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [14:40] man! that ubottu is one smart robot! [14:41] hardcore, there is a simple "copy this box and paste in your terminal" on that page [14:41] ok, thanks [14:41] yep, it is [14:42] * vidd just recommends the "--purge" after "remove" commands in apt-get [14:42] now i'm getting network manager could not remove required resources message again [14:42] oh ok [14:44] now i'm getting that message network applet could not find some required resources message again grrrrrrrrrrrrr [14:44] vidd, do you know what that means? [14:44] can anyone recommend a vpn program besides network-manager that features pptp? [14:45] nyn, how about wicd? [14:45] hardcore, you need to remove the network manager panel app [14:46] oh, how do i do that? [14:46] hardcore, right-click on it, and choose "remove" [14:47] actually i redid the paste and i didn't get that message again, thanks man [14:47] !info xvnc4viewer [14:47] xvnc4viewer (source: vnc4): Virtual network computing client software for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu7 (intrepid), package size 139 kB, installed size 412 kB [14:48] can I use wicd only for the vpn stuff and have my wireless connection still managed by wpa_supplicant? [14:48] nyn, wicd works with wpa [14:49] it's just that it took me forever to configure my notebook for wlan and I dont want any program to mess with the settings that I have now -.-' [14:50] vidd, thanks man [14:50] so I'd rather keep wpa_suplplicant for the wireless connection and use the other program only for vpn purposes if that possible [14:50] hardcore, np [14:51] nyn, you can still use that vnc viewer with your existing wifi configuration [14:54] hm, it says here that wicd is basically just a gui for wpa_supplicant.. [14:59] before upgrading I tried to establish a vpn with pptpconfig, I would have liked to give that one another try but it seems to have been removed during the upgrade and I read that it has become obsolete due to some new features of the NM [14:59] now I need an alternative since NM doesn't work for me [15:09] yeah...i like how they "obsolete" stuff just because they star crap-app includes a tiny piece of it [15:19] vidd: they? [15:23] TheSheep, yes "they" [15:24] the powers that be [15:26] displayconfig-gtk is another excelent app that "they" obsoleted [15:26] for no good reason [15:27] not everyone uses a "stock" application [15:28] vidd: but who is they? [15:28] vidd: and why 'they' is not 'you'? [15:28] "they" are the people that maintain the repos [15:29] did you try talking to them? [15:29] the least "they" should do is drop these apps to universe [15:29] are you just complaining for the fun of complaining? [15:29] * vidd just goes to debian and installs the lates .deb [15:30] vidd, do you happen to know of any alternative to NM and pptpcondig? I've pretty much tried everything so far nm, vpnc.. I cannot get it working -.- [15:30] * vidd has never had the need for it [15:30] luckbox :) [15:31] what did it do? [15:31] nm did nothing that I could notice and vpnc told me that it was now running in the background but I've never been able to access the web [15:32] nyn, how do you connect to the internet? and are you trying to use vnc? [15:33] I connect via wlan and no I dont want to use vnc [15:33] Will usb-creator remove all files in the selected partition of my usb drive? [15:33] I want to establish a vpn with my university [15:34] so that I get a uni-IP and be able to use certain services that are limited to users with uni-IP [15:34] is the uni using a M$ vpn? [15:35] at least they say that pptp encryption is required so I think they do [15:36] nyn, did you install network-manager-pptp and network-manager-vpnc? [15:36] yes both [15:37] what about network-manager-openvpn? [15:37] sec, I'll find out [15:38] also installed apparently :) [15:38] and it does not work for you....what fails? [15:39] I cant tell, I configured the VPN in the NM applet and click "connect" and thats about it, nm never tells me if the connection failed or anything, it it as if nothing happens [15:39] do you get some authentication error? no data traffic? or just not a specific IP range on your vpn? [15:39] I dont get any information out of it and I dont if NM has some debug-file or anything [15:40] *know [15:40] nyn, so the big question is....how do you know it failed [15:40] because I'm unable to use that service that requires the uni-IP, thats how I know [15:48] nyn, this is outside my area of expertice...but i will try [15:49] thank you [15:50] hey! [15:50] nyn, i find a wealth of inhttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepidformation.... [15:50] hello everybody [15:51] anyone knows a way for installing xubuntu using floppy and a usb external cdrom? [15:51] do you think xubuntu is a good choice for a PIII 800Mhz 128Mb RAM 40Gb HDD?? [15:51] !floppy | doktoreas_ [15:51] doktoreas_: To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone [15:51] bah [15:51] doktoreas: can u boot from USB? [15:51] Angel_inside, nope.. [15:51] not using a usb disk [15:51] the pc haven't a cdrom [15:52] doktoreas: I see [15:52] doktoreas_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation [15:53] will it work then? [15:53] nyn, have you tried this: http://niftybits.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/vpn-into-windows-from-ubuntu-intrepid/ [15:54] doktoreas_, you get my link? [15:55] vidd, no but that sounds interesting, I'll definitely have a closer look [15:55] Angel_inside, your system specs are better then what i am using (with xubuntu) right now! [15:56] Angel_inside, but you will brobably want to use either the mini or the alt install disks [15:56] the live (desktop) cd will be a bit sluggish to respond with such low ram [15:56] (assuming it boots at all) [15:57] nyn, let me know if that helps you out [15:58] vidd, just follwing the instructions, I#ll let you know shortly :) [16:01] vidd, didnt work and as usual, no comment on that from the nm -.- [16:02] is there any file that would log what happens? [16:02] vidd: ok, I can use the alternate install then [16:03] vidd: which one do u recommend? 8.04 or 8.10¿? [16:03] nyn dunno....try relaunching nm without the & at the end of the line.....it should show some output in the terminal [16:03] vidd: perhaps XFCE it's heavier than its predecessor [16:03] vidd, thx yes [16:03] XFCE 4.42* [16:04] Angel_inside, its the installer's that have issues....not the post-install system [16:04] Angel_inside, i recomend the 8.10 [16:04] vidd: I know, but I suppose xubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 have slightly different system requirements [16:05] Angel_inside, and as long as you are connecting to the internet via hard-wire, id use the mini iso [16:05] vidd: just wanna know which one would fit better my limited hardware conditions [16:05] Angel_inside, do you want simple encryption? [16:05] vidd: I'm afraid I'm not, I'm conected via wifi [16:06] ** Message: Activating VPN connection 'Uni'. -- thats all I get [16:06] Angel_inside, does the wifi work "out of the box" or do you not know? [16:06] it's 100% linux-comp but I haven't tried... I'm not sure about it [16:06] nyn, and what happens when you try to access something there? [16:07] Angel_inside, does it run windows or linux right now? [16:07] vidd: linux mint XFCE [16:07] vidd: and it's so slow [16:07] Angel_inside, did you have to do any fuss to get the wifi to work? [16:08] vidd: no, just plug it [16:08] Angel_inside, then go with the mini iso [16:08] vidd: will it connect thoroughly? [16:09] Angel_inside, if there is no mess with wifi, you should be able to get wifi to work with the mini installer [16:09] and get all your install stuff real-time [16:10] or...use the alt cd [16:10] * vidd prefers the mini since it gets all the latest-and-greatest during install....no "update-manager" after install [16:11] Angel_inside, one thing you also might want to consider is using something lighter then xfce....like lxde [16:12] http://u-lite.org/ [16:12] I see [16:13] vidd: and how shall I install it from console? I mean, I'd install the OS without GUI and after that install lxde for instance [16:14] Angel_inside, sudo apt-get install lxde [16:14] vidd, I've only ever tried to access that service which basically is a scientific search engine that usually you have to pay for but that you can use for free if you have a uni-IP [16:14] that service is denied to me due to the wrong IP [16:14] nyn, so its an IP assignment issue [16:14] vidd: lol its in the repositories!! [16:15] vidd: ok, I think I'll give it a try [16:15] thak you! [16:15] Angel_inside, yeah...thats why i recommend it [16:15] vidd: than you! [16:15]