[00:26] <deepfriedsquirre> ﻿I lost control of thunar, though it still displays new files. iIe tried to kill it with killall thunar and killall -9 thunar, but this failed. What can I do?
[00:39] <deepfriedsquirre> Hmm, what happened to this otherwise lively IRC channel?
[01:37] <ball> hey!  I'm on irc!
[01:37] <R1cochet> yes u Я
[01:45] <R1cochet> ф
[01:46] <R1cochet> how do i get all the characters in the character map applet to display?
[01:46] <R1cochet> do i need to install all the language packs to do that
[01:46] <R1cochet> ?
[01:47]  * ball doesn't know what that is.
[01:48] <R1cochet> applications>accessories>character map
[01:49] <ball> I broke my Xubuntu machine, so I can't try it.
[01:56] <Xylia> Hello, does anyone know if it's possible to install Xubuntu using a flash drive?
[02:02] <R1cochet> Xylia: not sure i think u might be able to
[02:03] <Xylia> okay, thanks
[02:03] <R1cochet> try the xubuntu website i think in there it tells how to do alternate installs
[03:11] <Guest8225> in xfce, how do i allign icons to the right? they all seem to allign left
[03:41] <firecrotch> hellohello
[03:41] <R1cochet> hihi
[03:42] <R1cochet> what up redheaded stepchild
[03:44] <firecrotch> :)
[03:44]  * firecrotch is on fire
[04:34] <bitmouse> Anybody know how to make the ubuntu installer totally leave your ntfs partition alone?
[04:34] <B0BBY> Hello People.
[04:34] <B0BBY> anybody know how to change the grub splash image?
[04:34] <B0BBY> I have this need to make it even prettier.
[04:34] <bitmouse> yeah here follow this link
[04:36] <B0BBY> link...
[04:39] <bitmouse> yeah freakin did bookmark the worlds most awesome page, ferk
[04:46] <B0BBY> Hello Poeple.
[04:47] <B0BBY> People.
[04:47] <B0BBY> bitmouse: have windows xp running on this machine.
[04:47] <B0BBY> and xubuntu is running on a small 5G parition.
[04:48] <bitmouse> what xubuntu install did you use, and did you create a boot partition or have xubunutu install the linux boot files to the windows MBR?
[04:49] <B0BBY> oh I see. yeah I just used the xubuntu CD. I booted into it in livecd mode then resized ntfs down. Then created the partition and the auto installed.
[04:49] <B0BBY> so yeah it's in the main disk mbr.
[04:49] <B0BBY> grub controls booting.
[04:50] <Capa`> I have just installed xubuntu on my thinkpad ... very nice!
[04:52] <R1cochet> how the pad?
[04:53] <bitmouse> BOBBY: hmm, did you just let it do what ever it wanted to do, as far as install?
[04:55] <B0BBY> bitmouse: right. Just let it install using default install scheme. This is a work laptop so I didn't want to mess with any partitions too m,uch.
[04:56] <B0BBY> bitmouse: but when installing gentoo or something else, I'll mess with parititions little more freely.
[04:56] <B0BBY> reboot for test.
[05:05] <B0BBY> Hello Peopl.
[05:05] <B0BBY> Hello People.
[05:10] <bitmouse> hello
[05:12] <B0BBY> ok, didn't work. rebooting again :)
[05:23] <Ahmuck> hi.  how is software raid set up in xubuntu?
[05:35] <R1cochet> how come ristretto got replaced w/ gpicview?
[05:50] <Havsalt> i've just installed xubuntu, want this computer to use openbox - help to install?
[06:17] <MrNaz> I've just install Xubuntu on a ThinkPad X40. Install went fine, booted into it first time OK, but now when i boot it, I sometimes (about one boot in 3, I don't know what triggers it) get an error on boot that X fails to start and dropped to a CLI login. when i log in, the file system is read only, and i cant perform any write operations on any files, even with sudo... anyone seen this or something similar before ?
[06:59] <R1cochet> will xmms work in xubuntu?
[07:23] <Wicked> crap....when did this bug come back? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/77702
[07:23] <Wicked> i didnt have this issue on 8.04...but it seems to be back on 8.10 :(
[07:24] <Wicked> xfdesktop and xfce4-menu-plug ar using 1/3 of my systems memory(2 gigs)
[10:30] <R1cochet> how do i get a dvd to play?
[12:47] <balachmar> How can I delete my saved session? It now starts with a few terminals open, but I do not want that.
[12:48] <TheSheep> they are stored in ~/.cache/sessions
[12:51] <balachmar> And it is save to delete anything in there?
[12:51] <balachmar> Just to be sure :)
[12:52] <TheSheep> yes
[12:52] <balachmar> Thanks, will check now with a reboot
[13:17] <hardcore> i installed gnome desktop then hanged my mind and uninstalled it, but the appliations that were installed and everything were still there. is there a 1 command that will remove it all?
[13:17] <hardcore> *changed
[13:17] <TheSheep> apt-get autoremove --purge
[13:18] <hardcore> thanks
[13:20] <hardcore> TheSheep, i did that i got this message E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[13:20] <hardcore> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[13:21] <hardcore> do you know whats wrong?
[13:23] <TheSheep> you have to put 'sudo' before the command, to execute it as root
[13:25] <hardcore> i did
[13:26] <hardcore> i don't understand why its doing this. maybe i'll just take 20 minutes to do a complete reinstall
[13:28] <vidd> hardcore, what issue?
[13:28] <hardcore> ok its working now, thanks man
[13:29] <vidd> happy that just showing up fixes things!
[13:29] <vidd> =]
[13:30] <hardcore> now its saying the network manager applet could not find some required and it can't continue, but it does continue anyway
[13:31] <hardcore> it says can't continue but still does haha
[13:31]  * vidd uses wicd instead of nm
[13:32] <hardcore> huh?
[13:32]  * vidd does not used the network manager app
[13:32]  * vidd uses the app "wicd" instead
[13:33] <hardcore> whats that?
[13:33] <vidd> its a different network interface tool
[13:33] <hardcore> oh ok
[13:34] <hardcore> i think i'm just gonna do a reinstall
[13:34] <hardcore> brb
[13:34] <vidd> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[13:34] <hardcore> thanks
[13:34] <vidd> might just as well try this b4 fresh install
[13:35] <vidd> wicd requires you remove network manager completely
[13:35] <hardcore> how do i do it?
[13:35] <vidd> if ya like it, no fresh install needed
[13:36] <hardcore> should i download wicd then try again?
[13:36] <vidd> well....what is it that you are trying to do?
[13:36] <vidd> remember....i cam in long after you stated your issue
[13:36] <hardcore> get passed the network applet not finding stuff
[13:36] <hardcore> its ok
[13:37] <hardcore> i'm gonna install it and then try it again
[13:37] <vidd> wicd is good at finding networks
[13:37] <hardcore> wicd i mean
[13:37] <vidd> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=194573 is the download page for the deb
[13:38] <vidd> let me know if you need any help setting things up
[13:38] <vidd> =]
[13:38] <hardcore> ok thanks
[13:38] <vidd> btw....what kind of wifi card ya got?
[13:38] <vidd> (have you made sure the wifi card works correctly)
[13:39] <hardcore> i'm using a wired connection, but i do have a wifi card also
[13:39] <vidd> have you verified the wifi card is configured correctly?
[13:39] <hardcore> it works by default
[13:40] <hardcore> no problem with the wifi at all
[13:40] <vidd> has it ever connected to wifi since this install?
[13:40] <hardcore> yep
[13:40] <vidd> ok....
[13:41] <vidd> some people get broadcom cards that has the driver pre-installed...but no firmware for the card to actually work.....
[13:41] <vidd> wanted to make sure something like this isnt happening to you =]
[13:41] <hardcore> Error: conflicts withthe installed package 'network-manager'
[13:41] <hardcore> thats what it said when i double clicked after downloaded
[13:42] <vidd> right
[13:42] <vidd> like i said...you have to completely remove network-manager
[13:42] <hardcore> oh, how do i do that?
[13:42] <vidd> the easiest way to install this is via command line .....
[13:42] <hardcore> oh ok
[13:44] <hardcore> vidd, it says E: Couldn't find package network
[13:44] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge network-manager && sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/[pkg name] && sudo apt-get install -f
[13:44] <hardcore> oh ok thanks
[13:44] <vidd> the apt-get install -f may not be needed
[13:45] <vidd> sorry...i type slow =]
[13:45] <hardcore> do i just insert what its called on the desktop?
[13:45] <vidd> yes
[13:45] <vidd> rplace [pkg name] with the name of the package
[13:46] <hardcore> do i include &&?
[13:46] <vidd> the && means "after that, do this"
[13:47] <vidd> its a way to string multiple commands into one line
[13:48] <vidd> you could do just the "sudo ...." on seperate lines
[13:48]  * vidd thinks he is adding to the confusion.......
[13:48] <hardcore> nah
[13:50] <hardcore> is this software supported by canonical?
[13:50] <vidd> no
[13:50] <hardcore> oh
[13:50] <hardcore> is it necessary to update it?
[13:50] <vidd> not yet anyway
[13:50] <hardcore> oh ok
[13:51] <vidd> there is a repo for it.....
[13:51] <hardcore> i don't know
[13:51] <vidd> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[13:51] <vidd> that includes instructions for adding the repo as well
[13:52] <hardcore> thanks
[13:52]  * vidd does not add repos
[13:55] <vidd> hardcore, i figure there is no sence adding the repo's if you dont like the app and your going to format and re-install fresh
[13:55] <vidd> =]
[13:55] <hardcore> i added the repo
[13:55] <hardcore> thanks
[13:55] <vidd> then all upi need to do is sudo apt-get install wicd
[13:56] <vidd> lemme know what ya think
[13:57] <hardcore> do you like wicd better than network manager?
[13:58] <vidd> yes
[13:58] <vidd> its like comparing a moped to a 747
[13:58] <vidd> =]
[14:00] <vidd> so what do you think?
[14:00] <vidd> (you might need to launch it from the network menu the first time you use it)
[14:01] <hardcore> i just did the sudo apt-get autoremove --purge command again and it said 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded
[14:02] <vidd> well...then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:02] <hardcore> ok
[14:03] <hardcore> ok brb
[14:05] <hardcore> when i try to update i get a huge errormessage
[14:06] <vidd> can you pastebin it for me
[14:06] <vidd> !pastebin | hardcore
[14:06] <hardcore> how do i pastebin?
[14:06] <vidd> see above =]
[14:07] <vidd> chances are, you did not add the keyring after you added the repo, or you have that dpkg tool still open
[14:08] <hardcore> how do i make it to where you can see the pastebin?
[14:09] <vidd> when you save.....copy the new ULR
[14:09] <vidd> (the address
[14:09] <vidd> and paste that here
[14:09] <hardcore> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75956/
[14:10] <vidd> hardcore, just as i suspected.....you forgot a step when adding the repo
[14:11] <hardcore> oh ok, which step?
[14:11] <vidd> just run this line:
[14:11] <vidd>     wget -q http://apt.wicd.net/wicd.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[14:11] <nyn> hi, how do I remove entries from either autostart or the /home/.config permanently? simply deleting them doesn't work
[14:12] <hardcore> vidd do i just type that in the terminal?
[14:12] <vidd> hardcore, just copy/paste ...but yes
[14:13] <vidd> nyn, have you gone into the autostarted applications in the applications->settings->settings manager?
[14:13] <hardcore> i have to type it, it only gives me the options for ircstuff
[14:13] <vidd> [ctrl]+[c] (just like windows stole from unix)
[14:14] <nyn> yes I have, the appliations that start up automatically after logging in are not even listed there, I found them in the /home/.confi though
[14:14] <vidd> nyn, did you delete your saved sessions?
[14:15] <nyn> I'm not even sure that I have any sessions saved, where would I look that up?
[14:15] <vidd> hardcore, did you catch that? you have to use ctrl+c to copy,
[14:15] <hardcore> oh ok
[14:15] <hardcore> i found the same command on the site you posted earlier
[14:16] <vidd> yes...that is where i got it to post here =]
[14:16] <vidd> nyn, should be in your .cache/sessions folder
[14:17] <hardcore> ok i tried to update and got that big error message again
[14:18] <vidd> idk for sure nyn .... i never saved sessions ever since the powers that be added that retarded funtion auto-selected
[14:18] <nyn> there are many files in ./cache/sessions most of them something with Thunar, can I just delete them and thats it?
[14:18] <vidd> nyn, if any are needed, they will be re-written
[14:19] <hardcore> vidd, still get the big error message
[14:19] <nyn> alright then, thank you very much, that has been driving me crazy :)
[14:19] <vidd> hardcore, there must be something using your sources.list file.....
[14:20] <vidd> is synaptic open? that app that came up when you double-clicked the deb file on your desktop?
[14:20] <hardcore> ok ok i'lltry that
[14:20] <hardcore> synaptic is open
[14:20] <vidd> that will do it
[14:20] <hardcore> still get a big error message
[14:21] <vidd> close synaptic (or reload, mark all updates, apply)
[14:21] <vidd> pastebin it for me
[14:21] <nyn> vidd, one last thing: I cannot remember ever having agreed to save any sessions and I'm very sure that I've never checked the respective box on the logout screen, how can I prevent any sessions from being saved?
[14:22] <vidd> the box is auto-checked by default....you have to UNcheck the blasted, evil contraption
[14:22] <hardcore> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75959/
[14:23] <nyn> it is not checked on my screen, anyway I'll reboot now and see if it worked :)
[14:24] <vidd> hardcore, there was no error that time
[14:24] <vidd> the update completed
[14:24] <vidd> type "clear"
[14:25] <vidd> then do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:25] <hardcore> oh ok
[14:26] <vidd> the output you got was it reporting that it was able to check each repo in your sources.list file
[14:26] <vidd> nyn, better?
[14:26] <nyn> vidd: it worked, thank you very much :)
[14:26] <hardcore> its not updating
[14:26] <vidd> nyn, 86.50 Euro (plus tax) =]
[14:26] <hardcore> i get the same message, and no updating
[14:26] <nyn> XD
[14:26] <vidd> hardcore, pastebin it?
[14:29] <hardcore> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75964/
[14:29] <hardcore> instead of updating i get that
[14:30] <vidd> hardcore, that IS the update output.....
[14:30] <vidd> you need to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:31] <vidd> that will take the updated list of packages, and install (upgrade) all packages that need to be upgraded
[14:31] <vidd> *or rather, can be upgraded
[14:31] <hardcore> robert@robert-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:31] <hardcore> Reading package lists... Done
[14:31] <hardcore> Building dependency tree
[14:31] <hardcore> Reading state information... Done
[14:31] <hardcore> Calculating upgrade... Done
[14:31] <hardcore> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[14:32] <hardcore> thats what it still says
[14:32] <vidd> yeah...you are now up to date
[14:32] <hardcore> oh ok
[14:32] <hardcore> it usually displays the update box when i type sudo apt-get update
[14:32] <vidd> in the future, try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:32] <hardcore> is there a reason that box doesn't come up anymore?
[14:33] <vidd> hardcore, you are thinking "update-manager" not "sudo apt-get update"
[14:34] <hardcore> i thought it is the same thing, before installing wicd it would bring up the updatemanager
[14:34] <hardcore> is that a normal difference after installing wicd?
[14:34] <vidd> no....
[14:35] <vidd> its the diffence between using command line tools and graphic tools
[14:35] <TheKing> Hello, yesterday my screen was fine
[14:35] <hardcore> but the command tool use to display the graphic tool, just like typing an app does
[14:35] <TheKing> It was running @ 1028 x 768
[14:35] <vidd> before talking to me, you likely used synaptic to install programs
[14:35] <TheKing> Now when I turned it on   todayt
[14:36] <TheKing> My display is blue and I have been reduced to 800 x 600
[14:36] <hardcore> can i still use synaptic to install programs?
[14:36] <vidd> hardcore, absolutely
[14:36] <hardcore> you should be able to change your resolution in the settings
[14:36] <TheKing> hardcore, I used to be able to go up to 1024 x 768
[14:36] <TheKing> but now I cannot.
[14:36] <hardcore> vidd, how come it doesn't display the graphic tool after typing it in anymore? just worried something is wrong
[14:37] <vidd> its just i prefer to give one-line commands you copy/paste into a terminal then "click here....scroll down for six days.....click there...."
[14:37] <TheKing> And my screen is completely covered in a shade of light blue
[14:37] <TheKing> NVM
[14:37] <TheKing> had a plug out.
[14:37] <hardcore> TheKing, what kind of changes have you made any? if any
[14:37] <vidd> retart
[14:37] <vidd> anyway
[14:38] <hardcore> vidd, how come before installing wicd typing sudo apt-get update would bring up the graphical tool but not now?
[14:38] <vidd> hardcore, im not sure what graphic tool you are expecting to see
[14:38] <hardcore> vidd, update manager
[14:38] <vidd> apt-get update would NEVER bring up a graphic tool
[14:38] <hardcore> really? i must be mistaken, sorry about that
[14:39] <hardcore> is there a command to remove all software and other stuff added after installing gnome-desktop?
[14:39] <hardcore> i removed gnome, but now there's all kinds of stuff on my system remaining
[14:39] <vidd> !purexfce | hardcore
[14:40] <vidd> man! that ubottu is one smart robot!
[14:41] <vidd> hardcore, there is a simple "copy this box and paste in your terminal" on that page
[14:41] <hardcore> ok, thanks
[14:41] <hardcore> yep, it is
[14:42]  * vidd just recommends the "--purge" after "remove" commands in apt-get
[14:42] <hardcore> now i'm getting network manager could not remove required resources message again
[14:42] <hardcore> oh ok
[14:44] <hardcore> now i'm getting that message network applet could not find some required resources message again grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[14:44] <hardcore> vidd, do you know what that means?
[14:44] <nyn> can anyone recommend a vpn program besides network-manager that features pptp?
[14:45] <hardcore> nyn, how about wicd?
[14:45] <vidd> hardcore, you need to remove the network manager panel app
[14:46] <hardcore> oh, how do i do that?
[14:46] <vidd> hardcore, right-click on it, and choose "remove"
[14:47] <hardcore> actually i redid the paste and i didn't get that message again, thanks man
[14:47] <vidd> !info xvnc4viewer
[14:48] <nyn> can I use wicd only for the vpn stuff and have my wireless connection still managed by wpa_supplicant?
[14:48] <vidd> nyn, wicd works with wpa
[14:49] <nyn> it's just that it took me forever to configure my notebook for wlan and I dont want any program to mess with the settings that I have now -.-'
[14:50] <hardcore> vidd, thanks man
[14:50] <nyn> so I'd rather keep wpa_suplplicant for the wireless connection and use the other program only for vpn purposes if that possible
[14:50] <vidd> hardcore, np
[14:51] <vidd> nyn, you can still use that vnc viewer with your existing wifi configuration
[14:54] <nyn> hm, it says here that wicd is basically just a gui for wpa_supplicant..
[14:59] <nyn> before upgrading I tried to establish a vpn with pptpconfig, I would have liked to give that one another try but it seems to have been removed during the upgrade and I read that it has become obsolete due to some new features of the NM
[14:59] <nyn> now I need an alternative since NM doesn't work for me
[15:09] <vidd> yeah...i like how they "obsolete" stuff just because they star crap-app includes a tiny piece of it
[15:19] <TheSheep> vidd: they?
[15:23] <vidd> TheSheep, yes "they"
[15:24] <vidd> the powers that be
[15:26] <vidd> displayconfig-gtk is another excelent app that "they" obsoleted
[15:26] <vidd> for no good reason
[15:27] <vidd> not everyone uses a "stock" application
[15:28] <TheSheep> vidd: but who is they?
[15:28] <TheSheep> vidd: and why 'they' is not 'you'?
[15:28] <vidd> "they" are the people that maintain the repos
[15:29] <TheSheep> did you try talking to them?
[15:29] <vidd> the least "they" should do is drop these apps to universe
[15:29] <TheSheep> are you just complaining for the fun of complaining?
[15:29]  * vidd just goes to debian and installs the lates .deb
[15:30] <nyn> vidd, do you happen to know of any alternative to NM and pptpcondig? I've pretty much tried everything so far nm, vpnc.. I cannot get it working -.-
[15:30]  * vidd has never had the need for it
[15:30] <nyn> luckbox :)
[15:31] <vidd> what did it do?
[15:31] <nyn> nm did nothing that I could notice and vpnc told me that it was now running in the background but I've never been able to access the web
[15:32] <vidd> nyn, how do you connect to the internet? and are you trying to use vnc?
[15:33] <nyn> I connect via wlan and no I dont want to use vnc
[15:33] <sancho21> Will usb-creator remove all files in the selected partition of my usb drive?
[15:33] <nyn> I want to establish a vpn with my university
[15:34] <nyn> so that I get a uni-IP and be able to use certain services that are limited to users with uni-IP
[15:34] <vidd> is the uni using a M$ vpn?
[15:35] <nyn> at least they say that pptp encryption is required so I think they do
[15:36] <vidd> nyn, did you install network-manager-pptp and network-manager-vpnc?
[15:36] <nyn> yes both
[15:37] <vidd> what about network-manager-openvpn?
[15:37] <nyn> sec, I'll find out
[15:38] <nyn> also installed apparently :)
[15:38] <vidd> and it does not work for you....what fails?
[15:39] <nyn> I cant tell, I configured the VPN in the NM applet and click "connect" and thats about it, nm never tells me if the connection failed or anything, it it as if nothing happens
[15:39] <vidd> do you get some authentication error? no data traffic? or just not a specific IP range on your vpn?
[15:39] <nyn> I dont get any information out of it and I dont if NM has some debug-file or anything
[15:40] <nyn> *know
[15:40] <vidd> nyn, so the big question is....how do you know it failed
[15:40] <nyn> because I'm unable to use that service that requires the uni-IP, thats how I know
[15:48] <vidd> nyn, this is outside my area of expertice...but i will try
[15:49] <nyn> thank you
[15:50] <Angel_inside> hey!
[15:50] <vidd> nyn, i find  a wealth of inhttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepidformation....
[15:50] <doktoreas_> hello everybody
[15:51] <doktoreas_> anyone knows a way for installing xubuntu using floppy and a usb external cdrom?
[15:51] <Angel_inside> do you think xubuntu is a good choice for a PIII 800Mhz 128Mb RAM 40Gb HDD??
[15:51] <vidd> !floppy | doktoreas_
[15:51] <vidd> bah
[15:51] <Angel_inside> doktoreas: can u boot from USB?
[15:51] <doktoreas_> Angel_inside, nope..
[15:51] <doktoreas_> not using a usb disk
[15:51] <doktoreas_> the pc haven't a cdrom
[15:52] <Angel_inside> doktoreas: I see
[15:52] <vidd> doktoreas_,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[15:53] <Angel_inside> will it work then?
[15:53] <vidd> nyn, have you tried this: http://niftybits.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/vpn-into-windows-from-ubuntu-intrepid/
[15:54] <vidd> doktoreas_, you get my link?
[15:55] <nyn> vidd, no but that sounds interesting, I'll definitely have a closer look
[15:55] <vidd> Angel_inside, your system specs are better then what i am using (with xubuntu) right now!
[15:56] <vidd> Angel_inside, but you will brobably want to use either the mini or the alt install disks
[15:56] <vidd> the live (desktop) cd will be a bit sluggish to respond with such low ram
[15:56] <vidd> (assuming it boots at all)
[15:57] <vidd> nyn, let me know if that helps you out
[15:58] <nyn> vidd, just follwing the instructions, I#ll let you know shortly :)
[16:01] <nyn> vidd, didnt work and as usual, no comment on that from the nm -.-
[16:02] <nyn> is there any file that would log what happens?
[16:02] <Angel_inside> vidd: ok, I can use the alternate install then
[16:03] <Angel_inside> vidd: which one do u recommend? 8.04 or 8.10¿?
[16:03] <vidd>    nyn dunno....try relaunching nm without the & at the end of the line.....it should show some output in the terminal
[16:03] <Angel_inside> vidd: perhaps XFCE it's heavier than its predecessor
[16:03] <doktoreas_> vidd, thx yes
[16:03] <Angel_inside> XFCE 4.42*
[16:04] <vidd> Angel_inside, its the installer's that have issues....not the post-install system
[16:04] <vidd> Angel_inside, i recomend the 8.10
[16:04] <Angel_inside> vidd: I know, but I suppose xubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 have slightly different system requirements
[16:05] <vidd> Angel_inside, and as long as you are connecting to the internet via hard-wire, id use the mini iso
[16:05] <Angel_inside> vidd: just wanna know which one would fit better my limited hardware conditions
[16:05] <vidd> Angel_inside, do you want simple encryption?
[16:05] <Angel_inside> vidd: I'm afraid I'm not, I'm conected via wifi
[16:06] <nyn> ** Message: <info>  Activating VPN connection 'Uni'.  -- thats all I get
[16:06] <vidd> Angel_inside, does the wifi work "out of the box" or do you not know?
[16:06] <Angel_inside> it's 100% linux-comp but I haven't tried... I'm not sure about it
[16:06] <vidd> nyn, and what happens when you try to access something there?
[16:07] <vidd> Angel_inside, does it run windows or linux right now?
[16:07] <Angel_inside> vidd: linux mint XFCE
[16:07] <Angel_inside> vidd: and it's so slow
[16:07] <vidd> Angel_inside, did you have to do any fuss to get the wifi to work?
[16:08] <Angel_inside> vidd: no, just plug it
[16:08] <vidd> Angel_inside, then go with the mini iso
[16:08] <Angel_inside> vidd: will it connect thoroughly?
[16:09] <vidd> Angel_inside, if there is no mess with wifi, you should be able to get wifi to work with the mini installer
[16:09] <vidd> and get all your install stuff real-time
[16:10] <vidd> or...use the alt cd
[16:10]  * vidd prefers the mini since it gets all the latest-and-greatest during install....no "update-manager" after install
[16:11] <vidd> Angel_inside, one thing you also might want to consider is using something lighter then xfce....like lxde
[16:12] <vidd> http://u-lite.org/
[16:12] <Angel_inside> I see
[16:13] <Angel_inside> vidd: and how shall I install it from console? I mean, I'd install the OS without GUI and after that install lxde for instance
[16:14] <vidd> Angel_inside, sudo apt-get install lxde
[16:14] <nyn> vidd, I've only ever tried to access that service which basically is a scientific search engine that usually you have to pay for but that you can use for free if you have a uni-IP
[16:14] <nyn> that service is denied to me due to the wrong IP
[16:14] <vidd> nyn, so its an IP assignment issue
[16:14] <Angel_inside> vidd: lol its in the repositories!!
[16:15] <Angel_inside> vidd: ok, I think I'll give it a try
[16:15] <Angel_inside> thak you!
[16:15] <vidd> Angel_inside, yeah...thats why i recommend it
[16:15] <Angel_inside> vidd: than you!
[16:15] <nyn> yes exactly
[16:15] <vidd> nyn, pastebin me the output of ifconfig
[16:26] <Angel_inside> vidd: una pequeña duda
[16:26] <Angel_inside> vidd: el XFCE incluido en LM XFCE se corresponde con el paquete xubuntu-desktop?
[16:26] <vidd> Angel_inside, no hablo espanol
[16:27] <Angel_inside> vidd: sorry, it was my fault
[16:27] <Angel_inside> vidd: I'm chatting in different IRC channels and sometimes I mix everything up
[16:27] <vidd> you want lxde not xubuntu-desktop
[16:27] <vidd> xubuntu-desktop will install xfce, not lxde
[16:28] <Angel_inside> vidd: do you know if XFCE included in LM XFCE is called xubuntu-desktop
[16:28] <Angel_inside> vidd: I know, I just wanna uninstall it
[16:28] <Angel_inside> vidd: after installing lxde
[16:28] <Angel_inside> vidd: but I don't know if it's the same packet or not
[16:28] <vidd> Angel_inside, check to see if lxde is available.......
[16:29] <Angel_inside> vidd: linux mint is basically ubuntu
[16:29] <Angel_inside> vidd: it should
[16:30] <vidd> if it is, then simply remove xorg, with the --purge switch (this takes out all desktop stuff and thier config files) and apt-get install lxde
[16:32] <Angel_inside> vidd: oops, it does not find lxde...
[16:34] <vidd> Angel_inside, ok...then might i recommend http://u-lite.org/?q=node/2#install after you "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge xorg" *****dangerous code******will remove entire Desktop environment and leave you with a CLI-Only system********
[16:35] <vidd> Angel_inside, the above disclaimer is intended for others reading this
[16:35] <vidd> =]
[16:36] <ridoo> hello
[16:37] <Angel_inside> hi
[16:38] <Angel_inside> vidd: it's just the main page of ubuntu lite
[16:38] <vidd> Angel_inside, scroll to the bottom.....
[16:38] <vidd> there is a wget
[16:39] <Angel_inside> vidd: yep
[16:39] <vidd> make sure you get it BEFORE wiping out your desktop
[16:39] <Angel_inside> vidd: sure
[16:40] <Angel_inside> vidd: bout it seems to install the whole system
[16:40] <Angel_inside> vidd: not only lxde
[16:41] <vidd> lxde IS a whole system
[16:41] <Angel_inside> vidd: you are joking, aren't you?
[16:42] <vidd> its openbox on top of (either slim or gdm) with panels, applets, menus, etc
[16:42] <Angel_inside> vidd: lol
[16:50] <Angel_inside> vidd: I found a different way to install it
[16:50] <Angel_inside> vidd: I just needed another rep
[16:50] <vidd> Angel_inside, please post link?
[16:51] <Angel_inside> vidd: the one you suggested installed ubuntu lite
[16:51] <Angel_inside> vidd: of course
[16:51] <Angel_inside> vidd: it's in spanish
[16:51] <Angel_inside> vidd: but it's mainly
[16:51] <Angel_inside> vidd:     deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lxde/ubuntu hardy main
[16:51] <Angel_inside>     deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/lxde/ubuntu hardy main
[16:52] <Angel_inside> add these repositiories
[16:52] <Angel_inside> vidd: and apt-get install lxde
[16:52] <Angel_inside> so easy
[16:52] <vidd> Angel_inside, my spanish is ok....i need the key's script
[16:52] <Angel_inside> vidd: ok
[16:52] <Angel_inside> vidd: http://ubuntronics.blogspot.com/2008/06/instalar-lxde-en-ubuntu.html
[16:53] <Angel_inside> vidd: it just sais what I told you
[16:53] <Angel_inside> vidd: add rep & install
[16:54] <vidd> hrm....no key
[16:54] <Angel_inside> vidd: nop
[16:58] <Angel_inside> abyway it works
[16:58] <Angel_inside> anyway*
[17:01] <vidd> Angel_inside, and what do you think?
[17:03] <Angel_inside> vidd: unbelievable
[17:03] <Angel_inside> vidd: it's just GREAT
[17:03] <vidd> speedy?
[17:03] <Angel_inside> vidd: quick, high usability, beautiful
[17:03] <Angel_inside> vidd: yes!
[17:03] <vidd> muy bueno?
[17:03] <Angel_inside> vidd: and very close to gnome
[17:04] <Angel_inside> vidd: as we say in Spain "cojonudo"
[17:04] <vidd> and there you have to ruin it.... =]
[17:04] <vidd> (comparing it to gnome
[17:04] <vidd> i told ya my spanish socks
[17:04] <vidd> =]
[17:06]  * vidd is going to throw together his own distibution
[17:07] <Angel_inside> vidd: xDD
[17:07] <Angel_inside> vidd: may I deduce you use KDE?
[17:07] <Angel_inside> vidd: the problem now is I cannot uninstall XFCE
[17:09]  * vidd uses lxde
[17:10] <vidd> Angel_inside, did you purge xorg like i said b4?
[17:10] <Angel_inside> vidd: no
[17:10] <vidd> you want to run the following command:
[17:10] <Angel_inside> vidd: because I was unsure about the installation of lxde
[17:11] <Angel_inside> vidd: but if I do purge it know I'll delete lxde, won't I?
[17:11] <vidd> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge xorg && sudo apt-get install lxde
[17:11] <Angel_inside> vidd: I see
[17:11] <vidd> this will purge everything and reinstall lxde
[17:11] <Angel_inside> vidd: but what if I do it from lxde?
[17:12] <vidd> Angel_inside, no matter where you do it, you will need to reboot
[17:12] <Angel_inside> vidd: ok, thx
[17:12] <vidd> so its best to do it from a tty
[17:13] <Angel_inside> vidd: I suppose
[17:13] <Angel_inside> vidd: but I've understood that autoremove was only used to remove orphan packages
[17:14] <vidd> Angel_inside, when you remove xorg, it will orphan ALOT
[17:14] <vidd> so if you autoremove an app, it takes out the orphans too
[17:16] <vidd> otherwise, you would "sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg && sudo apt-get autoremove --purge && sudo aptget install lxde
[17:16] <vidd> =]
[17:16] <vidd> see the difference?
[17:16] <Angel_inside> vidd: yes, tahnks
[17:16] <Angel_inside> vidd: any if I unistall xorg, will it be reinstalled when I install lxde?
[17:17] <Angel_inside> thanks*
[17:17] <Angel_inside> (poor handwriting)
[17:18] <vidd> Angel_inside, yes...it should
[17:19] <Angel_inside> vidd: it should...
[17:20] <vidd> Angel_inside, if it dont...let me know.... (or sudo apt-get install lxde xorg to be sure)
[17:20] <vidd> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge xorg && sudo apt-get install lxde xorg
[17:20] <vidd> better?
[17:21] <Angel_inside> vidd: how about  sudo apt-get autoremove --purge xorg && sudo apt-get install xorg lxde
[17:21] <vidd> ok
[17:21] <Angel_inside> vidd: just in case
[17:21]  * vidd notices that its just like 3x4 and 4x3
[17:22] <Angel_inside> vidd: I thought the order you wrote it was the order it followed
[17:22] <vidd> yes...
[17:22] <vidd> but it should really make no real difference
[17:23] <vidd> lxde is going to pull in gdm, wich will pull in xorg, so its a mute point
[17:24] <Angel_inside> vidd: I see
[17:24] <Angel_inside> vidd: I'll give it a try
[17:24] <vidd> if you had modified your system to not drag in recommends, THEN it might make a difference (but i doubt it)
[17:24] <Angel_inside> vidd: from tty, just in case
[17:24] <Angel_inside> vidd: I dind't
[17:24] <Angel_inside> didn't*
[17:24] <Angel_inside> vidd: cross fingers, here it goes...
[17:26] <vidd> crossing fingers and praying are not required.....=]
[17:26] <Angel_inside> vidd: I hope so
[17:26] <Angel_inside> vidd: I'll tell you in a while
[17:30] <Angel_inside> vidd: I've found the packages
[17:30] <Angel_inside> vidd: it's just xfce
[17:30] <Angel_inside> vidd; now I can find the dependencies...
[17:30] <Angel_inside> vidd: so I don't need to uninstall xorg
[17:30] <Angel_inside> vidd: good!
[17:46] <vidd> Angel_inside, how deep are you going to go to get rid of all those unneded dependencies?
[17:47] <vidd> also Angel_inside i recommend file-roller over xarchiver
[17:47] <Angel_inside> not much further than apt-cache depend xfce4
[17:47] <Angel_inside> vidd: :-P
[17:48] <vidd> Angel_inside, that only removes the first layer....
[17:48] <vidd> what about the items in the second, third and fourth layer?
[17:49] <vidd> (for example, xfce depends on item 1, item 1 depends on item 2, item 2 depends on item 3, 4, and 5, item 3 depends on ....and so on
[17:50] <Angel_inside> vidd: good point
[17:50] <vidd> in fact, x11-common might be a better choice then xorg!
[17:51] <Angel_inside> vidd: so the only way is reinstalling xorg...
[17:51] <Angel_inside> vidd: x11? really?
[17:51]  * vidd noticed that only removing xorg left items such as gxine and gftp on his system
[17:52] <Angel_inside> vidd: ...
[17:52] <Angel_inside> vidd: so how can you remove everything in relation to XFCE?
[17:52] <Angel_inside> (or any other desktop manager)
[17:53] <vidd> you can either "autoremove --purge" or get to the very lowest common denominator
[17:53] <vidd> i cannot guarentee that autoremove will get everything
[17:54] <vidd> but x11-common looks like the lowest common denominator
[17:54] <vidd> everything gui-based depends on it at some point
[17:56] <vidd> short of formating and installing a CLI-only system, autoremoving and purging x11-common is the most tourough
[17:56]  * vidd cant spell
[17:56] <Angel_inside> vidd: I see
[17:56] <Angel_inside> vidd: xD sometimes it also happens to me
[17:57] <vidd> ppl talk to me for my wonderful assistance....not my horrible spelling =]
[17:59]  * vidd would remove more of the basic system if he could.....
[18:00]  * vidd would like to build his system with only grub, the kernel and apt-get
[18:04] <Angel_inside> vidd: xDDD I'd love it
[18:05] <Angel_inside> I must go
[18:05] <Angel_inside> vidd: thanks so much for your help
[18:05] <Angel_inside> vidd: and for  your attention
[18:06] <truder> hi, i've just installed xubuntu 8.10, and i'm having a problem with connecting to wifi.. (i confirmed that wifi is ok, by using a puppy live cd and i connected fine). In xubuntu, although i'm seeing my ap listed, i cannot get it to connect.
[18:06] <truder> anyone may help please ?
[18:07] <vidd> truder, what does lspci (or lsusb) say your wifi card is?
[18:07] <vidd> \0. sinbox
[18:08]  * sinbox waves back at vidd
[18:08] <truder> let me confirm..
[18:11] <truder> hmm.. vidd, my card is connected via pcmcia, would it appear with those commands ?
[18:12] <vidd> lspcmcia
[18:12] <truder> ok, so i have socket1: device 0: orinoco_cs
[18:12]  * vidd suspects its a broadcomm chipset
[18:13] <vidd> truder, and how about lspci?
[18:13] <truder> btw, this used to work with the previous xubuntu
[18:13] <sinbox> you uknow the card model truder?
[18:13] <vidd> just want to double-check
[18:13] <truder> mn128 ss-lan card 11
[18:14] <Capa`> in debian, i would set the essid manually in terminal, then run "dhclient"
[18:15] <truder> i'm not sure which entry to mention in lspci, cause i have: (host bridge, pci bridge, 2 cardbus bridges, ethernet controller, serial, multimedia audio, bridge, ide, usb, another bridge, and vga compatible controllers)
[18:16] <vidd> truder, can you open nm?
[18:16] <vidd> (network manager)
[18:17] <vidd> you might want to set a static IP
[18:17] <truder> i've already tried setting a static IP, but kept getting the same
[18:18] <vidd> what does iwlist tell you?
[18:19] <vidd> *iwconfig
[18:20] <sinbox> all the info is in japanese for that card :/
[18:23] <vidd> truder, what does iwconfig tell you?
[18:24] <truder> IEEE 802.11b ESSID "clint" Nickname:"Prism I" Mode: Managed frequency2.412ghz, Access Point: None:
[18:25] <truder> and link quality noise signal stuff..
[18:26] <truder> the wireless network itself is listed in the network manager, and the signal seems ok
[18:26] <truder> however, if i click on it, after a few seconds i'm disconnected
[18:26] <vidd> truder, what is your wifi network's actual ESSID?
[18:26] <vidd> truder, then next question is....
[18:26] <truder> the ssid is clint, let me confirm essid
[18:27] <vidd> what kind of security do you have on that wifi network?
[18:27] <truder> at the moment, no security at all..
[18:27] <truder> it is open, no encryption nothing
[18:27] <truder> i wanted to get this to work first
[18:28] <vidd> no MAC filtering?
[18:28] <truder> not even that no
[18:29] <truder> the strange thing is that with the previous version of xubuntu, i connect with a fresh install
[18:31] <vidd> are you talking to us on that system?
[18:31] <truder> nope on another machine
[18:31] <vidd> truder, try this.... "sudo /etc/ini.d/networking restart
[18:32] <vidd> truder, try this.... "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:32] <truder> k ( i've restarted the machine more than once though).. trying it now
[18:33] <truder> ok, i got ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[18:33] <truder> dunno what's that... eth0 is a wired connection
[18:33] <truder> and it's ok as far as i can see
[18:34] <truder> and no, i got disconnected again
[18:34] <vidd> truder, your network interfaces has eth0 enabled, but network manager wants to control it (causing a conflict)
[18:34] <vidd> open your /etc/network/interfaces and edit out everything but lo settings
[18:35] <vidd> save that, and restart the networking again
[18:35] <truder> i only have two lines: auto lo and  iface lo inet loopback
[18:36] <vidd> there is no mention of eth0?
[18:36] <truder> not at all no
[18:36] <vidd> hrm
[18:36] <truder> and yes i'm sure eth0 is connected
[18:36] <vidd> so am i
[18:36] <truder> eth0 is a wired connection, and i'm getting the ip via dhcp
[18:36] <truder> ( from the wireless router )
[18:37]  * vidd hates network manager
[18:37] <truder> vidd, do you think i'd solve the problem by using a different network manager ?
[18:38]  * vidd uses wicd
[18:38] <vidd> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[18:38] <truder> i'll give it a try
[18:38] <truder> thanks for your help
[18:40] <truder> i'll be back later.. thanks for now :)
[18:40] <sinbox> ops gone
[18:40] <sinbox> definitely a broadcom chipset:  Chipset Broadcom BCM4306, BCM2050
[18:41] <sinbox> had to use some special setup tool for my broadcom pcmcia card before the laptop died
[18:43] <penguin-up> i just instlled PC/OS(like xubuntu) this AM.....create new folder is greyed out....are permissions required??
[18:43] <sinbox> then again his card seems to work a bit, I had to follow those instructions here: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmwareinstallation   and then it just worked
[18:43] <vidd> sinbox, so truder has a bcm chip eh?
[18:44] <vidd> penguin-up, WHERE did you create the folder? and which user created it?
[18:45] <penguin-up> vidd:  in file system
[18:45] <penguin-up> i the admin....i think
[18:45] <vidd> penguin-up, can you state the full path?
[18:45] <penguin-up> naw...i don know about paths....just graphic method!
[18:46] <vidd> and HOW did you create it
[18:46] <vidd> so you opened up whatever file manager you were using....right-clicked and said "create folder"?
[18:46] <penguin-up> i want to just click on file then create folder, just like windows....but it wont let me...it greyed out
[18:47] <vidd> perhaps you should go to your OS's chatroom
[18:47] <vidd> since you apparently dont want to answer my questions so that i can help you with a system ive never seen b4
[18:47] <penguin-up> the help menu said that this is the chatroom for PC OS
[18:48] <vidd> no...this is for ubuntu xfce
[18:48] <penguin-up> PC OS same as Xubuntu i believe
[18:48] <vidd> (commonly called xubuntu)
[18:48] <penguin-up> PC OS uses Ubuntu XFCE
[18:48] <vidd> no....pcos is pcos
[18:49] <vidd> what file manager do you use?
[18:49] <penguin-up> I think PC OS is brand new but same as Xubuntu
[18:49] <vidd> are you going to answer my questions or not?
[18:49] <penguin-up> not sure....gnome i think
[18:50] <vidd> gnome is not a file manager...that is a desktop environment
[18:50] <vidd> in the tool you opened to create the folder.....
[18:50] <penguin-up> then maybe KDE....i dunno
[18:50] <penguin-up> it doesn say
[18:50] <vidd> click "help"->"about"
[18:50] <privet_> is this a good place to talk about "networkmanager applet", or is there a better room?
[18:51] <vidd> privet_, what problem you having with it?
[18:51] <penguin-up> Welcome to PC/OS OpenDesktop 2009
[18:51] <vidd> are you on the live cd? penguin-up
[18:51] <privet_> vidd: not really "problem" as such... I just have 2 modem devices that are not being recognized by nm and I would like to find out what I can do to add them into the config etc.
[18:52] <penguin-up> no installed
[18:52] <penguin-up> installed it this AM on HD
[18:52] <vidd> privet_, you probably need to install the drivers for them....sorry....im no good with dial-up =\
[18:53] <vidd> penguin-up, so you right-click the desktop to add a folder?
[18:53] <penguin-up> no i click the file sys icon on desktop
[18:53] <privet_> vidd: no- they work fine (manually running pppd), but I would nm to see them and do the dialing for me...
[18:53] <privet_> vidd: thanks anyway, will keep looking
[18:54] <vidd> privet_, like i said...im no good with dial-up.....
[18:54] <penguin-up> ahhh, yes i can create new folder on desktop....now to move it !!
[18:54] <vidd> privet_, i know the old network-admin handled dial-up....try installing that
[18:54] <privet_> vidd: will try, thanks.
[18:55] <vidd> penguin-up, so right-click on this folder you created and choose "properties"
[18:55] <penguin-up> privit:  when i used dialup i had to download gnomePPP dialer for ubuntu....hope that helps
[18:56] <penguin-up> ok....it says read only....how do i change that
[18:57] <vidd> penguin-up, first....who owns it?
[18:58] <vidd> penguin-up, and how does one get this PC/OS?
[18:58] <penguin-up> download from net.....680mb then make disk image
[18:59] <vidd> penguin-up, WHERE????????
[18:59] <vidd> what is the home page
[18:59]  * vidd has never heard of it
[19:01]  * vidd found it....pc-os.org
[19:02] <penguin-up> vidd:  go to http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pcos   and check it out
[19:02] <vidd> penguin-up, when your right-clicked the folder, and chose properties, the window SHOULD have told you the folder owner....who is it?
[19:03] <penguin-up> it says group   then my name
[19:04] <vidd> it should also say Owner: (name)
[19:04] <vidd> if the folder isnt owned by someone, then no-one can use it
[19:04] <penguin-up> yes....owner name
[19:05] <penguin-up> owner name and my name
[19:05] <vidd> open up a terminal window
[19:06] <penguin-up> it is open
[19:06] <vidd> type "thunar" and hit [enter]
[19:07] <penguin-up> i am there
[19:07] <vidd> navigate to this folder you created
[19:07] <vidd> do you see it?
[19:07] <penguin-up> ahhhhh now create folder is not greyed out......tnx
[19:08] <vidd> yes? no? dont care?
[19:08] <penguin-up> it works there now no probs....
[19:08] <penguin-up> live and learn on chatrooms  :-)
[19:08] <vidd> ok...so the reason you had an issue is because you dont have a /Desktop folder
[19:09] <vidd> close thunar
[19:09] <penguin-up> ok
[19:09] <vidd> type "cd /home/"[your username]
[19:10] <penguin-up> looks like i can only do stuff in terminal not always in file manager
[19:10] <vidd> for example, if your logon name for this system is "owner" you would type "cd /home/owner"
[19:10] <penguin-up> aha
[19:10] <vidd> penguin-up, terminal is what im most familiar with
[19:11] <penguin-up> i am more familiar with graphic mode!    ur cheque is in the mail
[19:11] <vidd> ok...so are you now seeing "~$" at the end of your prompt?
[19:12] <vidd> or do you see "~#"?
[19:12] <penguin-up> tnx....i gotta run now.....CU next time ....tnx agn
[19:12] <vidd> ok...so much for actually HELPING the guy!
[19:12] <sinbox> hehe
[19:12] <sinbox> well you got him to get to where he wanted to
[19:12]  * vidd makes a note of the IP address to auto-ignore it 
[19:13] <dcolish> come on, if you had a nickel for everyone of those
[19:13] <sinbox> so, ubuntu based with Xfce and maintained by canonical
[19:13] <sinbox> but with all the proprietary codecs included it would seem
[19:14] <vidd> dcolish, i already have half the internet on my auto-ignore list...what are you tolking about?
[19:14] <vidd> sinbox, so it would appear that i want NOTHING AT ALL to do with that OS
[19:14] <sinbox> wowow
[19:14] <sinbox> K-line
[19:15] <dcolish> vidd: you know, if you had a nickel for everyone on auto ignore, you'd, uh, be rich
[19:15] <sinbox> ?
[19:15] <vidd> dcolish, thats my brother....i dont want to be him!
[19:15] <vidd> =]
[19:15] <dcolish> nice
[19:16]  * vidd is the EVIL twin
[19:17] <vidd> now....what is the default audio controler that saves your volume settings when you restart x?
[19:17] <vidd> ok....so lets start with "alsa"!
[19:18] <dcolish> i think audio settings must be saved at a lower level than the graphical layer, right alsamixer or aumix would be good places to start
[19:19] <vidd> dcolish, before i removed x11-common, it was fine
[19:19] <vidd> so it has to be above the graphical scale
[19:19] <vidd> *layer*
[19:20] <dcolish> i expected it wasn't that poorly designed
[19:21] <vidd> sweet....all i had to do was install sound!
[19:21] <vidd> amazing how that works!
[19:22] <TheSheep> vidd: install sound?
[19:24] <scribawf> How do I get drivers for USB to Serial Converter (PL-2303) on Xubuntu?
[19:25] <dcolish> scribawf: did you google it yet?
[19:25] <vidd> TheSheep, alsa wasnt installed...so that was why it didnt work
[19:26] <scribawf> dcolish;  Yup, but only found for Redhat and the supplied drivers also for Redhat ONLY!
[19:26] <dcolish> is it an rpm or do you get source code too?
[19:27] <vidd> scribawf, strange.....
[19:27] <dcolish> !alien
[19:27] <vidd> i googled "pl-2303 ubunutu" and the first thing i got was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322759
[19:27] <scribawf> dsolish;  appears to be source didn't see anything for RPM
[19:28] <scribawf> vidd;  OK will try that
[19:28] <scribawf> vidd;   gotta admit didn't fully use google search properly - forgot ubuntu after device!
[19:29] <vidd> scribawf, the more keywords ya use, the closer to what you want youll find yourself!
[19:29] <scribawf> thanks for info will struggle through it
[19:29] <dcolish> scribawf: did you read the whole thread that you shared?
[19:30] <dcolish> oh vidd, you got that link ma bad
[19:30] <vidd> =]
[19:30] <dcolish> the solution is on the last page towards the bottom
[19:30] <scribawf> dcolish;  going to ck the thread vidd sent
[19:30]  * vidd is bad too
[19:30] <dcolish> scribawf: you'll need to use alien, as suggested before to install the rpm of the drivers
[19:31] <scribawf> dcolish;  don't  think have that on board sys (alien) but will give me something to do
[19:32] <scribawf> tnx again, and sure I'll be back if I get hung up!
[19:32] <dcolish> ok good luck
[19:32] <scribawf> I'll probably need it LOL
[19:33] <vidd> now i need a light-weight browser that is able to use java and flash
[19:33] <dcolish> !opera
[19:33] <vidd> dcolish, opera is out
[19:34] <vidd> its not free
[19:34] <vidd> !browser
[19:34] <vidd> !epiphany
[19:35] <vidd> !epiphany-browser
[19:35] <vidd> !Epiphany
[19:35] <vidd> !dillo
[19:36] <vidd> !firefox
[19:36] <vidd> of course
[19:38] <dcolish> why dont you want to use opera again?
[19:38] <tmpnick2> Hi, I'd like to convert a bootable iso to encrypted iso, burn it and be asked for a password when I boot from that iso. Please suggest me a solution for GNU/Linux, because I can't really find it. Thank you
[19:39] <vidd> dcolish, because it use QT for starters
[19:40] <vidd> thats 3 strikes right there
[19:40] <dcolish> vidd: what do you have against qt?
[19:40] <vidd> then...its propriatary...might just as well us IE!
[19:40] <dcolish> but you like flash and java?
[19:41] <vidd> i dont LIKE flash and java....i NEED flash and java
[19:41] <vidd> believe me....there is a HUGE differnce
[19:42] <dcolish> so why dont you like qt again?
[19:42] <vidd> its the crap KDE is built on
[19:43] <TheSheep> #xubuntu-offtopic surely is empty these days
[19:43] <dcolish> sorry
[19:44] <dcolish> vidd: if you'd like to continue, i'm on that channel as well
[19:44] <vidd> its not really "off-topic"
[19:44] <vidd> nor is it what i really want to chat about
[19:44] <TheSheep> it is not
[19:45] <TheSheep> I just thought I'd advertise it a bit :)
[19:45] <dcolish> ok whatever
[19:45] <vidd> =]
[19:46] <dcolish> i'll never agree that qt is garbage especially now that its got solid webkit integration
[19:46] <dcolish> kde is another project in itself that is qt based
[19:46] <TheSheep> dcolish: it's very uncomfortable to mix gui toolkits
[19:47] <TheSheep> dcolish: each one of them has its own best practices and design decissions
[19:47] <vidd> impressive....flashplugin-nonfree didnt try to bring in firefox
[19:47] <TheSheep> vidd: do I sense sercasm?
[19:47] <TheSheep> sarcasm even
[19:47] <dcolish> TheSheep: thats non-sense as far as it being uncomfortable
[19:48] <vidd> TheSheep, no...im serious.....
[19:48] <dcolish> TheSheep: qt does a great job of being cross platform which is its purpose
[19:48] <dcolish> as a developer i'd much rather write for qt than gtk
[19:48]  * vidd thought for sure that *buntu would do everything it could to cram that bloated browser down his throat
[19:49] <TheSheep> dcolish: gtk is hard for developers
[19:49] <TheSheep> dcolish: that's true
[19:49]  * TheSheep crams msie 8 down vidd's throat
[19:50]  * vidd uses linux, linux EATS M$ products for breakfast!
[19:50] <vidd> =]
[19:51]  * dcolish likes w3m
[19:51] <TheSheep> dcolish: w3m doesn't even support https
[19:52] <TheSheep> lynx with vi keys :)
[19:52] <vidd> TheSheep, speaking of M$ Inescapable Evil, did you ever get the xubuntu site to load properly?
[19:52] <dcolish> TheSheep: yes it does, just tested it
[19:52] <TheSheep> vidd: I thought we fixed it with knome...
[19:53] <TheSheep> dcolish: maybe that was password-protected sites... something like that... or maybe they fixed it already
[19:53] <vidd> The-Kernel, ive been out of the loop for a while =]
[19:53] <TheSheep> vidd: but you *did* see the new site?
[19:53] <dcolish> TheSheep: probably fixed it, works well actually. I still the lack of js support for cli browsers
[19:54] <TheSheep> dcolish: would be pretty useless without css support
[19:54] <vidd> TheSheep, yeah...but M$IE (Inescapable Evil) does not display it properly
[19:54] <vidd> still
[19:55] <dcolish> TheSheep: good point, they should work on that too!
[19:57] <vidd> cli browsers have pretty much gone the way of the MAC
[19:57] <vidd> *i mean* diansaur
[19:57] <vidd> =]
[19:57] <dcolish> uh last time i checked MAC is still pretty important. You arp much?
[19:58] <vidd> MAC hardware is dead...its all the same now
[19:59] <vidd> since they went with the intel chip, the only consideration now is OS
[19:59]  * TheSheep looks nervously towards #x-ot
[19:59] <sinbox> still has a long shelf life with all the mac fans out there
[19:59] <vidd> there is no reason to pay extra for the same hardware
[19:59] <sinbox> of course there is
[19:59] <sinbox> it's a "brand" thing
[19:59] <vidd> and now we are getting WAY offtopic
[20:00] <sinbox> true
[20:00] <TheSheep> why don't we just all go there and stop worrying?
[20:00]  * vidd has actual issues....
[20:00] <vidd> epiphany browser wont load =[
[20:01] <TheSheep> vidd: what's the error?
[20:01] <vidd> something about failed to execute dbus-launch to autoloaunch D-Bus session
[20:02] <TheSheep> weird, xfce should start a dbus session on login
[20:02]  * vidd doesnt HAVE xfce
[20:02] <dcolish> oh, what are you running?
[20:03] <vidd> slim, openbox
[20:03] <TheSheep> then I guess it's a bug in whatever desktop environment you are running
[20:03] <dcolish> check for dbus-launch being installed
[20:04] <TheSheep> this is the moment when "all that useless cruft" proves useful ater all
[20:04] <dcolish> yeah dbus is pretty cool
[20:05] <vidd> yeah...and its alreaduy installed too
[20:05] <dcolish> is the daemon started?
[20:06] <vidd> i was missing dbus-x11
[20:06] <dcolish> what files are in there? seems like that should be a dep for anything dbus
[20:07] <vidd> dcolish, no...its for some things that are graphical that need dbus =]
[20:08] <vidd> (i would assume
[20:09] <dcolish> from my understanding of dbus, its also purpose if so graphical applications can communicate on the desktop, hence its name, desktop-bus (dbus)
[20:09] <dcolish> if/is
[20:10] <vidd> what do i know?
[20:10] <vidd> im just trying to completely gut all excess from my system and get as lean and mean as possible
[20:11] <dcolish> its actually a really cool feature of x11, similar to growl on osx
[20:12]  * vidd is still upset that adobe/macromedia refuse to post a linux version of shockwave
[20:12] <dcolish> vidd: so you're using openbox, how do you like that compared to fluxbox?
[20:12] <vidd> dunno...never used fluxbox
[20:12] <dcolish> i thought shockwave was dead and flash is now shockwave
[20:13] <dcolish> or replaced shockwave
[20:13] <vidd> but its nice
[20:13] <vidd> no...there are still shockwave apps scattered about the web
[20:13] <dcolish> are you a big cli junkie? if so check out awesome, dwm, wmii, xmonad, stumpwm
[20:14]  * vidd is not a cli junkie....just running VERY lightweight hardware
[20:17] <vidd> nice....sun-java6-plugin didnt drag in firefox either
[20:17]  * vidd better double-check that something else didnt sneak it in
[20:18] <sinbox> hehe, you sure seem to have something against firefox
[20:18] <vidd> i have a system with only 64+32 mb ram
[20:19] <vidd> firefox eats it alive
[20:21] <dcolish> how flash and java on that?
[20:21] <dcolish> hows
[20:21] <vidd> epiphany-browser works with flash and java!
[20:22] <vidd> dcolish, i will let you know when i get this set up on that system
[20:22] <sinbox> ah yes I understand, funny the xubuntu docs recommend a minimum of 192mb of ram for 8.04
[20:22] <vidd> yeah...im only like 100 MB ram short =]
[20:23] <dcolish> vidd: does openbox provide a desktop or do you have to build it yourself?
[20:23] <vidd> dcolish, its a desktop
[20:23] <vidd> mostly...its your file manager that controls your desktop, more then the wm
[20:24] <dcolish> i see, it can replace the actual wm component of a given desktop env
[20:25] <vidd> i used lxde, so i dont know how much is openbox, and how much is lxde, and how much is pacmanfs
[20:27] <vidd> wow...this browser practically flies!
[20:28] <dcolish> Epiphany?
[20:29] <vidd> yeah
[20:30] <vidd> its lighter then ff
[20:33] <djbushdio> here's a stupid question: if i uninstall xfce, when i start up will a land at a terminal?
[20:33] <djbushdio> *i land at a terminal
[20:33] <vidd> djbushdio, no....you will get an error message when gdm fails to load
[20:34] <vidd> =]
[20:34] <vidd> djbushdio, no....you will get an error message when gdm fails to load
[20:34] <djbushdio> oh.
[20:34] <djbushdio> problem.
[20:34] <vidd> do you WANT to get a CLI-only?
[20:34] <djbushdio> mebbe
[20:35] <djbushdio> not just yet, but maybe later
[20:35] <dcolish> djbushdio: turn off gdm then
[20:35] <vidd> if you WANT cli-only....the you want to 'sudo apt-get --autoremove --purge x11-common'
[20:37] <vidd> if you just want to boot to a cli for just the session, then choose "terminal" from the session list on the login page
[20:37] <djbushdio> ok, might try that in virtual machine to make sure
[20:37] <djbushdio> yeah, did see that on session list, but not full screen
[20:38] <vidd> djbushdio, if you want full scree cli----just use one of your 6 tty screens
[20:38] <djbushdio> tty? (acronym not sure)
[20:38] <vidd> [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1] (or f2, f3, etc
[20:39] <vidd> !tty
[20:39] <vidd> dunno what tty stands for, just know that its full screen terminal =]
[20:44] <dcolish> teletypewriter
[20:45] <dcolish> any terminal has tty in unix, not just the fullscreen ones on boot
[20:48] <djbushdio> so to get the terminal, press ctrl-alt-fx where x is 1-6, and this is at the login screen.
[20:48] <djbushdio> f7 is graphical
[20:49] <dcolish> no on boot, once gdm starts it locks you out of all other tty
[20:49] <dcolish> that is why you'd need to stop gdm from starting on boot
[20:50] <djbushdio> so when at boot, upsplash?
[20:50] <dcolish> which is reversable as well, sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[20:50] <dcolish> yes
[20:50] <djbushdio> ill try that next time.
[20:50] <dcolish> to add it back sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults
[20:51] <dcolish> also see man update-rc.d and man gdm
[20:51] <djbushdio> So in summary, press ctrl-alt-fx (where x is 1-6) at boot to get terminal only. Restart to get graphical.
[20:52] <vidd> djbushdio, almost....
[20:52] <vidd> ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to graphical
[20:52] <vidd> or restart if you want to....
[20:52] <vidd> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[20:53] <vidd> or..../.. =]
[20:53] <djbushdio> I'll probably just restart
[20:53] <vidd> as you can see, there are many ways to do the same thing in linux
[20:53] <djbushdio> yeah...
[20:53] <vidd> djbushdio, that is the LEAST efficiant method!
[20:54] <djbushdio> yeah, well, its the easiest to remember...
[20:54] <vidd> it shouldnt be....
[20:54] <djbushdio> and it works...
[20:54] <vidd> if you can remember ctrl-alt-f1 to get away from the gui, you should remember ctrl-alt-f7 to get back!
[20:56] <vidd> rebooting is like smashing your car into a tree to get a fly off your windsheild!
[20:57] <djbushdio> interesting metaphor, somehow i like it.
[20:58] <vidd> actually, its a simile (metaphors do not include words such as "like")
[20:58] <vidd> =]
[20:58] <djbushdio> oh right, forgot the "like." believe it or not I'm a junior in high school.
[20:58] <djbushdio> taking Honors English 3
[20:58] <djbushdio> and getting an A
[20:59] <vidd> believe it or not, i have a kid older then you!
[20:59] <djbushdio> whoa...
[20:59] <vidd> and one your age....and 2 younger
[20:59] <vidd> =]
[20:59] <djbushdio> and its actually "older than you" not "older then you"
[21:00] <djbushdio> owned
[21:00]  * vidd never made any claims about ability to spell or type
[21:00] <djbushdio> ...
[21:00] <vidd> =]
[21:00] <djbushdio> yet corrects me on simile vs. metaphor
[21:01] <vidd> that was a needed  correction .... typos are fine here
[21:01] <djbushdio> yeah, thats what they all say...
[21:02] <djbushdio> maybe i mistyped simile
[21:02] <vidd> just like my "sit and set" sound the same...dont mean i dont know the difference =]
[21:02] <sinbox> big typo that was  :)
[21:03] <djbushdio> you forgot an apostrophe
[21:03] <djbushdio> actually 2
[21:03] <vidd> no...i didnt forget it....that key dont work =]
[21:03] <sinbox> please join #analanguage
[21:03] <sinbox> ;-)
[21:04] <vidd> we are WAYYYYYYY -offtopic
[21:04] <vidd> sinbox, im AFRAID to go there....
[21:04] <vidd> im not sure that has anything to do with grammer at all! =]
[21:05] <djbushdio> yeah... anyway, will follow tips on non-graphical version (ctrl-alt-f7 to get to gui), thank you, and got to go...
[21:05] <sinbox> ah well, vidd after your slim openbox comment you now have me reading pages like this: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[21:17] <knome> TheSheep, i haven't actually had time to push the new version to bzr, nor do the changes...
[21:21] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[21:28] <Iskr> someone please tell me
[21:28] <Iskr> what's the hotkey
[21:28] <Iskr> to make terminal menu visible?
[21:28] <Iskr> i have it invisible by mistake
[21:29] <knome> Iskr, right click terminal -> "show menubar"
[21:29] <vidd> Iskr, just right-click and re-check
[21:29] <Iskr> rightclick doesn't work anymore
[21:31] <vidd> Iskr, there is no default hotkey for the menu's in terminal.....that hotkey is disabled by defualt
[21:31] <Iskr> uhm
[21:31] <Iskr> it seems the thing is quite serious
[21:31] <Iskr> if even right click doesn't work anymore
[21:31] <Iskr> isn't it?
[21:31] <Iskr> any ideas on why this can be happening?
[21:32] <vidd> you started messing with config files?
[21:32] <Iskr> no
[21:32] <knome> Iskr, not really. what happens if you start a new terminal?
[21:32] <Iskr> i was using it and it was fine
[21:32] <Iskr> i closed it
[21:32] <Iskr> i opened it
[21:32] <Iskr> and it was like this
[21:32] <vidd> ah...you have combiz running?
[21:32] <Iskr> no
[21:33] <Iskr> (i closed and reopened many times)
[21:33] <Iskr> maybe next reboot?
[21:34] <vidd> Iskr, sudo apt-get remove --purge xfce4-terminal && sudo apt-get install xfce4-terminal
[21:34] <vidd> you may or may not want to also re-install xubuntu-desktop
[21:37] <Iskr> no i don't want to reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[21:37] <Iskr> and when i tried to remove the terminal with synaptic it asked me to do mark also xubuntu-desktop to remove
[21:37] <knome> vidd, any experiences with kvm?
[21:37] <Iskr> wouldn't it be the same with apt-get remove?
[21:37] <vidd> knome, no...
[21:37] <knome> Iskr, xubuntu-desktop is only a metapackage
[21:38] <knome> Iskr, it doesn't *really* remove anything with it
[21:38] <Iskr> ah seriously?
[21:38] <knome> yes.
[21:38] <vidd> Iskr, xubuntu-desktop is a "metapackage" that means it doesnt actually DO anything but depend on all the stuff that makes up xubuntu
[21:38] <Iskr> i thought it removed all things listed in the metapackage
[21:39] <vidd> Iskr, no...it only brings them in
[21:39] <knome> vidd, ok, i will tell you some test results later on
[21:39] <Iskr> ah ok
[21:39] <Iskr> thank you
[21:39] <Iskr> i'll maybe try it
[21:39] <vidd> Iskr, remember to --purge.....
[21:39] <vidd> otherwise, when you reinstall it, it will behave the exact same way!
[21:40] <vidd> knome, i dont even know what kvm is
[21:41] <Iskr> yes yes i know
[21:41] <knome> vidd, kernel virtual machine
[21:42] <Iskr> thank you all
[21:42] <vidd> Iskr, would you rather i bug you about stuff you already know? or not warn you about annoyances that make the unknowing pull thier hair out?
[21:42] <vidd> =]
[21:43]  * vidd prefers to err on the side of the unknowing
[21:43] <vidd> =]
[21:43] <Iskr> right
[21:43] <Iskr> i just said that i knew
[21:43] <Iskr> but i thank you for having warned me
[21:43] <Iskr> =)
[21:43] <Iskr> good night
[21:43] <vidd> but someone just following along that is having a similar issue may NOT know...see what i mean?
[21:44] <Iskr> yes
[21:44] <Iskr> good that you have warned
[21:44] <vidd> ya fixed up?
[21:44] <Iskr> no i'll do it tomorrow
[21:44] <Iskr> good night and thanks!
[21:44] <vidd> night
[21:45] <vidd> knome, sounds like something i should get myself interested in
[21:45] <knome> maybe
[21:45] <knome> i'm seeing if i could replace vmware with this
[21:46] <knome> all the howtos say setting up network can be difficult, but this one got it automagically
[21:47] <vidd> do you by chance know a non-gstreamer plugin or library for wmv files?
[21:47] <knome> not really
[21:47] <knome> i don't use wmv ;)
[21:49] <vidd> i dont either....just this one prn vidd
[21:49] <knome> lol
[21:49] <knome> then just use gstreamer for it :P
[21:50] <vidd> im not bringing in 10 meg of codec for 3 minutes of prn
[21:50] <knome> 3 mins? eh..
[21:50] <vidd> ill just have to convert it to avi
[21:51] <vidd> ok...151 gig of prn
[21:51] <vidd> about 4 days worth....
[21:51] <vidd> =]
[21:51] <vidd> ya happy?
[21:53] <knome> tsh..
[21:53] <knome> 0KB porn
[21:53] <knome> -offtopic? :)
[21:53] <vidd> but that makes it seem like the agrivation of adding gsteamer would be worth it
[21:54] <vidd> no....wmv support is sorta on topic
[22:46] <qtmpilot> yo
[22:47] <qtmpilot> having a slight issue, wondering if anyone can help. Basically, I can't connect to google.co.uk or news.bbc.co.uk via any means, ping results in host cannot be found error
[22:48] <qtmpilot> its not a network issue, i get the same thing no matter what network i use
[22:48] <Odd-rationale> but you can connect to other sites?
[22:48] <qtmpilot> yup
[22:49] <Odd-rationale> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[22:49] <qtmpilot> its definately not down, can get on via my desktop
[22:49] <Odd-rationale> hmm...
[22:49] <qtmpilot> oh aye one other point, i can connect if i use the IP address rather than the host name
[22:50] <qtmpilot> tried adding google.co.uk 209.85.129.147 to /etc/hosts but no joy there either
[22:50] <Odd-rationale> is your router blocking it?
[22:50] <qtmpilot> nope, same problem on any network, plus all my other boxes work fine
[22:51] <Odd-rationale> strange...
[22:52] <qtmpilot> tried clearing DNS cache too but that didnt help
[23:01] <qtmpilot> this is a right pain
[23:22] <anorexic> is there a way to manually triger that dialog which asks to enter password to unlock keyring?
[23:26] <anorexic> '
[23:26] <anorexic> ;/
[23:54] <vidd> knome, are you here?
[23:54] <knome> vidd, sure.
[23:55] <vidd> were you "assisting" me yesterday with getting xrandr to auto set screen resolution?
[23:55] <knome> uhh.. can't remember
[23:55] <knome> probably not
[23:56] <knome> can i help somehow?
[23:56]  * vidd has too many friends =[
[23:56] <knome> that's a shame ;)
[23:57] <vidd> sure....i need to set up a .xsesson (or something similar) to auto-set screen resolution upon login
[23:57] <vidd> because this system does not have the screen resolution tool bult into xfce (cuzz its running lxde)
[23:58] <vidd> hey...i found a tool that *might* do the trick for me =]
[23:58] <anorexic> use envy
[23:58] <knome> ok? :]
[23:58]  * vidd found lxrandr