| Ahmuck | how many instructors are involved in the edubuntu project? | 02:26 |
|---|---|---|
| Ahmuck | K-12 educational instructors | 02:26 |
| sbalneav | None, as far as I know. | 02:26 |
| sbalneav | Contributers, at least. | 02:26 |
| Ahmuck | what is a contributer? | 02:27 |
| sbalneav | Well, someone contributing code, writing docs, etc. | 02:27 |
| Ahmuck | so it's not just code, correct? | 02:27 |
| sbalneav | Well, there's packaging, fixing bugs, writing docs, maintaining the wiki, etc. | 02:28 |
| Ahmuck | beyond the edubuntu project, there is kde education, etc. does gnome also have an educational department? | 02:28 |
| sbalneav | No, there's no parallel with kde-edu team in Gnome, AFAIK | 02:28 |
| Ahmuck | what other organizations in the linux world are there targeting education? | 02:29 |
| sbalneav | Well, there's The Fedora K12 project, Edubuntu, and upstream, kdeedu. | 02:30 |
| sbalneav | In europe, there's also skolelinux | 02:30 |
| sbalneav | skolelinux uses an older version of Debian | 02:31 |
| sbalneav | A large number of the people who are involved with the Fedora K12 are ALSO involved with Edubuntu | 02:32 |
| Ahmuck | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/ - i found this article | 02:32 |
| sbalneav | and most are actively involved with LTSP | 02:32 |
| Ahmuck | ltsp is used by major distros (commercial) | 02:33 |
| Ahmuck | ? | 02:33 |
| sbalneav | Yes, LTSP is now included as part of Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and SuSE. | 02:34 |
| Ahmuck | sold commercially with comercial support? | 02:34 |
| Ahmuck | though i don't think debian sells anything | 02:34 |
| sbalneav | Well, The LTSP project itself doesn't have commercial support. But Ubuntu sells commercial support. | 02:35 |
| sbalneav | And Warren Togami, who's the founder of the Fedora project, is actively involved in LTSP, and I'm sure it will eventually make it's way into RHEL. | 02:35 |
| Ahmuck | as well as Fedora, Suse ? | 02:35 |
| Ahmuck | er, RedHat | 02:36 |
| Ahmuck | Are you aware of any large installations (commercial) of LTSP? | 02:36 |
| sbalneav | Define large? | 02:36 |
| Ahmuck | Blue Cross and Blue Shield | 02:36 |
| Ahmuck | American Family Insuranse | 02:37 |
| Ahmuck | A college | 02:37 |
| Ahmuck | A state government | 02:37 |
| Ahmuck | or a medium sized business | 02:37 |
| sbalneav | Well, where I work, we run on LTSP, which is 200+ workstations. | 02:37 |
| sbalneav | I know the telecentros project in Brazil uses it, which is 10,000 + terminals. | 02:38 |
| sbalneav | the University of Amazonia uses it. Several thousand terminals. | 02:38 |
| sbalneav | etc. | 02:38 |
| Ahmuck | in the usa, are you aware of any large educational installations? | 02:39 |
| sbalneav | I'm not in the USA, but I know Ellesworth High School uses Edubuntu, and there's some municiple government in Florida that has 400+ ltsp terminals. | 02:41 |
| Ahmuck | http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories#Local_Net_Solutions_installs_7_s | 02:42 |
| sbalneav | K so, there you go. | 02:44 |
| Ahmuck | so there are no educators in edubuntu or kde education, etc? | 02:46 |
| Ahmuck | that you are aware of, primarily coders | 02:46 |
| sbalneav | No, unfortunalely. | 02:46 |
| sbalneav | We'd love to have some. But until we get some, you're stuck with us. | 02:47 |
| sbalneav | You're an educator, right? | 02:47 |
| Ahmuck | my mother is. i teach, but not in the education system. i teach via lugs and promotion via lugs through county fairs, and creating lugs | 02:50 |
| Ahmuck | i'm connected to the education system through people | 02:51 |
| * Ahmuck goes to peruse edubuntu's website | 02:53 | |
| Ahmuck | does the ubuntu site list a set of apps for homework management, etc.? | 02:57 |
| Ahmuck | school planning, school calendar? | 02:57 |
| sbalneav | I can't remember the one that's an installable package in Ubuntu. | 03:02 |
| sbalneav | but there is a CMS for classrooms. | 03:03 |
| Ahmuck | essentially edubuntu provides a base and then requires the educator to set up the other aspects | 03:06 |
| Ahmuck | would there be a reason to build a ubuntu ltsp distro with a set of pre-installed pre-configured packages for educators? | 03:06 |
| sbalneav | Um, that's what Edubuntu is/ | 03:07 |
| sbalneav | Edubuntu comes with a set of pre-installed apps, and sets up an LTSP network for you. | 03:07 |
| sbalneav | Or is there something that you feel Edubuntu ISN'T providing that it should. | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | Ah | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | Moodle. | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | i moodle - Course Management System for Online Learning | 03:09 |
| sbalneav | wb Ahmuck | 03:52 |
| nothingman | I'm not getting anything when I log into my edubuntu server from a graphical login screen; just a black screen with the arrow cursor; I also can't seem to add users from the users-admin screen, though my user is the only one I've added so far | 04:14 |
| nothingman | PS: hi, all! | 04:14 |
| Ahmuck | from a ltsp client? | 04:15 |
| Ahmuck | or from the gdm on the server? | 04:15 |
| nothingman | from a client | 04:15 |
| nothingman | from the gdm on the server, I login fine, but am unable to add users | 04:16 |
| Ahmuck | [22:15] <nothingman> I also have my edubuntu ltsp server here at home to troubleshoot before I bring it back to the school tomorrow, but no screen to attach to it and the 'net-side interface is a wireless one set to connect to the school's AP; can I ssh into the terminal-side interface if it's connected to my router? | 04:16 |
| nothingman | thx, Ahmuck | 04:17 |
| Ahmuck | so ur sshing from home to the server at home via a thin client you've connected through ? | 04:18 |
| Ahmuck | headless server? | 04:18 |
| Ahmuck | thin client at home? | 04:18 |
| nothingman | haven't tried one yet | 04:19 |
| nothingman | only have one cat5 cable here, I think | 04:19 |
| Ahmuck | i'm confused | 04:19 |
| nothingman | sshing from my laptop to the server | 04:19 |
| Ahmuck | server is at home and headless, and your connecting from the laptop to the server via ssh wirelessly | 04:20 |
| nothingman | right | 04:20 |
| nothingman | but the server is plugged in from the term-side interface to the router | 04:20 |
| nothingman | is ssh available by default on that interface? | 04:21 |
| Ahmuck | laptop (wireless) --> router (wireless AP) --> server | 04:21 |
| nothingman | I work for two private schools in my area with laptops whose drives have been dying since the warranty expired; a working edubuntu server would be a big win | 04:21 |
| sbalneav | nothingman: What kind of thin client are you using? | 04:21 |
| nothingman | Ahmuck, yes, but with the server connected by a wire | 04:22 |
| nothingman | sbalneav: none atm | 04:22 |
| sbalneav | So, the "nothing at the graphical login screens" at the console? | 04:23 |
| Ahmuck | i assume your wanting to do it this way because you are testing it this way to do it similar at school? | 04:23 |
| sbalneav | of the server? | 04:23 |
| nothingman | sbalneav: laptops with dead HDs at the school, where I get the black screen | 04:23 |
| sbalneav | Do you have one there to test with? | 04:24 |
| Ahmuck | ur wanting to boot the laptops with ltsp? | 04:24 |
| nothingman | Ahmuck: no, have a monitor I'd like to attach but it's not capable of the same resolution, so I have to change xorg.conf first | 04:24 |
| nothingman | sbalneav: yes, but I don't think I have another cord | 04:24 |
| Ahmuck | can you boot your laptop hooked up directly to the ltsp server via a cord? | 04:25 |
| sbalneav | Kinda hard to help you debug a problem without the problem being there to work on. :) | 04:25 |
| Ahmuck | cord/cable | 04:25 |
| Ahmuck | hook the laptop up to the server client side and boot via network. open a terminal and change the resolution | 04:25 |
| nothingman | Ahmuck; I don't have a crossover cable, and no extra cat5 | 04:27 |
| Ahmuck | inet --> wireless router --> server --> laptop | 04:27 |
| Ahmuck | the nics aren't auto sense? | 04:27 |
| nothingman | is ssh enabled by default on the termside nic, or no? | 04:27 |
| nothingman | Ahmuck: no | 04:27 |
| sbalneav | nothingman: yes it is. | 04:27 |
| nothingman | OK, strange | 04:28 |
| Ahmuck | sorry | 04:28 |
| nothingman | no prob | 04:28 |
| sbalneav | ltsp uses ssh to log in, so it should be enabled. | 04:28 |
| sbalneav | if it's not, that's a problem. | 04:28 |
| nothingman_ | back again | 04:38 |
| nothingman_ | had to mess with my ip config | 04:38 |
| nothingman_ | now I was able to log in | 04:38 |
| nothingman_ | and change my xorg.conf | 04:38 |
| nothingman_ | now, can anyone answer my question about getting a black screen on login from a terminal? | 04:38 |
| nothingman_ | a client, I mean | 04:39 |
| nothingman_ | and about not being able to administer users from users-admin | 04:39 |
| sbalneav | OK, are you talking about administering the users from a thin client? | 04:40 |
| Ahmuck | blinking cursor ? | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | Because there's a bug in the consolekit that makes the user config fail if done from a thin client. | 04:40 |
| nothingman_ | Ahmuck: no, pointer, from the ldm screen login to just a black screen with the cursor | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | as for the blinking cursor on a thin client, once again: can you hook up one of them to try? | 04:40 |
| Ahmuck | sbalneav: he's getting a mouse arrow with black screen | 04:41 |
| Ahmuck | it's failing after login | 04:41 |
| nothingman_ | sbalneav: no, from a gdm-logged-in console attached directly (kv&m) to the server | 04:41 |
| nothingman_ | separate issues | 04:41 |
| nothingman_ | black screen is logging in from a thin client, users-admin I'm trying to run from a gdm login | 04:41 |
| * Ahmuck goes back to being quiet | 04:41 | |
| sbalneav | ok, so what happens when you try to add a user? | 04:41 |
| nothingman_ | absolutely nothing, all buttons are greyed out except for "Manage Groups", "Help" and "Close" | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | are you trying to run users-admin from a user that has admin priviledges? | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | try this | 04:43 |
| nothingman_ | afaict, yes | 04:43 |
| nothingman_ | the only user I set up | 04:43 |
| nothingman_ | not root, though | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | as that user open up a terminal | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | then type "id" | 04:43 |
| nothingman_ | OK | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | paste the results | 04:43 |
| nothingman_ | groups: adm,dialout,cdrom,plugdev,lpadmin,admin,sambashare,jmarris | 04:44 |
| nothingman_ | uid=1000(jmarris) gid=1000(jmarris) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),110(lpadmin),119(admin),126(sambashare),1000(jmarris) | 04:44 |
| nothingman_ | the first line I typed by hand to be quick, not that it was | 04:44 |
| nothingman_ | what group am I missing? | 04:45 |
| sbalneav | So, there isn't an "unlock" button on the bottom of the users and groups manager? | 04:46 |
| nothingman_ | correct | 04:46 |
| sbalneav | ok, at the same command prompt, what happens if you type "sudo -i" | 04:47 |
| nothingman_ | I get the root prompt | 04:47 |
| sbalneav | And what version of ubuntu are you running? | 04:48 |
| nothingman_ | 8.10 | 04:48 |
| sbalneav | Not sure then. | 04:48 |
| sbalneav | works here on mine, but I'm running hardy. | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | I never use the graphical user manager anyway, I always just use the command line tools. | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | I'd say it sounds like a bug, myself. | 04:50 |
| sbalneav | are all your updates... up to date? :) | 04:50 |
| nothingman_ | yeah, when I left on Thursday they were | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | hmm | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/231246 | 04:52 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 231246 in policykit "'Unlock' button in admin utilities greyed out (dup-of: 210897)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 04:52 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 210897 in consolekit "sudo *something which uses poliykit?* doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | Seems to indicate it's related to what's in /etc/hosts | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | cat you paste your /etc/hosts to the pastebin? | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | !pastebin | 04:52 |
| ubottu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | 04:52 |
| nothingman_ | interesting | 04:53 |
| nothingman_ | I have 127.0.0.1 localhost | 04:53 |
| nothingman_ | and 127.0.1.1 ubuntu | 04:53 |
| nothingman_ | I thought I changed it to tech-server or something like that | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | that's it for your /etc/hosts? | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | what do you have for 127.0.1.1? | 04:54 |
| nothingman_ | no, I'll do that | 04:54 |
| sbalneav | so whatever the hostname is | 04:55 |
| nothingman_ | strange that mozilla SeaMonkey doesn't open in new tabs like FF | 04:55 |
| nothingman_ | ubuntu | 04:55 |
| nothingman_ | ubuntu again | 04:55 |
| sbalneav | then you'll want a line like 127.0.1.1 ubuntu | 04:55 |
| nothingman_ | that's what it is | 04:55 |
| nothingman_ | I'm getting silence; is everyone there? | 04:57 |
| sbalneav | I'm here | 04:58 |
| nothingman_ | k, thx | 04:58 |
| nothingman_ | I have a Win machine that has crapware installed using my connection, too | 04:59 |
| nothingman_ | trying to get to Wupdate on it | 04:59 |
| nothingman_ | so it's taking up quite a bit of bandwidth | 04:59 |
| sbalneav | As for the black screen, in order to help you debug that, I'd need to have you hook up the thin client. | 04:59 |
| nothingman_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/76254/ | 05:00 |
| sbalneav | when you type the "hostname" command at the prompt, that's what you get? | 05:01 |
| nothingman_ | OK | 05:01 |
| nothingman_ | there's nothing I could do once I have a user enabled to login from it to ensure a desktop shows up eventually on the thin client? | 05:01 |
| sbalneav | A user should be able to log into the thin client no problem | 05:02 |
| nothingman_ | yup | 05:02 |
| sbalneav | Does the thin client get the login screen? | 05:02 |
| nothingman_ | yeah | 05:03 |
| nothingman_ | and after I login as my (sole) user from that term, it goes away and there's just a black background and the pointer cursor | 05:03 |
| sbalneav | K, well, that shounds like the ssh wasn't running. | 05:03 |
| nothingman_ | actually, I've been logged into the termside ssh this whole time | 05:04 |
| nothingman_ | since I changed my laptop's and router's IPs | 05:04 |
| Ahmuck | interesting, i had the same problem with user addition | 05:05 |
| Ahmuck | so i thought i would use sabayon, but sabayon crashes on me | 05:06 |
| nothingman_ | how did you fix it? | 05:06 |
| Ahmuck | i haven't | 05:06 |
| nothingman_ | no clues from my hosts file, sbalneav? | 05:07 |
| sbalneav | What does the output of 'polkit-auth --show-obtainable' give you | 05:09 |
| nothingman_ | com.ubuntu.devicedriver.install | 05:12 |
| sbalneav | that's it? | 05:12 |
| nothingman_ | yup | 05:13 |
| sbalneav | Something's broken with your policykit then, I'd say. | 05:15 |
| sbalneav | what does ck-list-sessions give you? | 05:15 |
| nothingman_ | what's the command for the gnome policykit admin utility? | 05:15 |
| sbalneav | darned if I know, like I say, I always use the command line for all admin activities. | 05:16 |
| sbalneav | That always works :) | 05:16 |
| nothingman_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/76265/ | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | how are you doing this? | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | You're logged in via ssh? | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | I thought you were logged in at the console? | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | your display device is /dev/ssh | 05:21 |
| sbalneav | That shouldn't be if you're on the console. | 05:21 |
| nothingman_ | huzzah! | 05:22 |
| nothingman_ | I changed "root" in PolicyKit.conf to "jmarris" | 05:23 |
| nothingman_ | shabizzle! | 05:23 |
| sbalneav | Shouldn't need to do that. | 05:23 |
| sbalneav | You've got something else wrong, but whatever. | 05:24 |
| nothingman_ | yeah, but I couldn't run the gui policykit tools from the command line | 05:24 |
| nothingman_ | so ftm, it works | 05:24 |
| nothingman_ | now I can change my defaults in the gui, then change that back and I'm secure again | 05:25 |
| nothingman_ | still there? | 05:37 |
| * Ahmuck writes that down | 05:40 | |
| sbalneav | I'm still here, yeah | 05:42 |
| Ahmuck | is that a bug? | 05:42 |
| Ahmuck | any reason a default install would have to modify the policykit.conf? | 05:42 |
| Ahmuck | shouldn't the su be able to do this? | 05:42 |
| sbalneav | Policy kit's tied up with the hostname, so since he's taken the machine out of the school and has it at home, I'd say it now has a different concept of "who it is" and that's where the problem lies. | 05:44 |
| nothingman_ | had this problem at the school, actually | 05:45 |
| Ahmuck | same here | 05:45 |
| Ahmuck | vanilla install | 05:45 |
| Ahmuck | so, only able to change on physical host? unable to change via a thin client? | 05:46 |
| nothingman_ | reading through that launchpad, it seems the default policy is for *no* user but root to have any control over the system | 05:46 |
| Ahmuck | this might fix a lot of things for me | 05:46 |
| sbalneav | Yes, currently, policy kit doesn't know anything about ltsp terminals. | 05:47 |
| nothingman_ | and adding a line -- something to do with auth_as_admin, or some such, will allow an admin group user to change it, rather than mucking the way I did | 05:47 |
| nothingman_ | Ahmuck, I was sshing from an Ubuntu laptop connected through the term-side interface | 05:47 |
| Ahmuck | ran across a firefox addon called glubble | 05:48 |
| Ahmuck | interesting, but not sure i want it on, as everytime the browser opens, it opens that as an added tab | 05:48 |
| Ahmuck | nm, glubble is great for what were trying to do | 05:56 |
| Ahmuck | i can restrict children to children's pages by setting up firefox on that user with gubble kid's page | 05:57 |
| Ahmuck | that is a kewl kid's browser | 06:03 |
| Ahmuck | edubuntu needs a firefox extension similar to glubble. a whitelist browser | 06:24 |
| nothingman | hi, all | 15:53 |
| nothingman | still having the trouble with a black screen on logging in via thin client | 15:53 |
| nothingman | I don't see anything in the documentation about setting up a desktop for users, though I assume having an appropriate .xsession file would be sufficient | 16:00 |
| nothingman | hi, all | 16:07 |
| nothingman | still having trouble logging in from a thin client | 16:07 |
| nothingman | I get a black screen with the arrow cursor | 16:10 |
| nothingman | nothing in the documentation seems to explain how to create a desktop for a user | 16:12 |
| nothingman | can anyone explain why I wouldn't have user home directories in my /opt/ltsp/i386? | 16:13 |
| nothingman | is anyone here? | 16:21 |
| * highvoltage could do with a chocolate milkshake right now | 18:16 | |
| Fritz87 | hello | 19:40 |
| Knight709 | hey everybody! I'm looking for statistics or research about the disadvantages that comes with a lack of computers in education, has anyone had any experience on the subject or have any suggestions for a good place to look? | 20:27 |
| Knight709 | I'm finding a lot of opinions but I havent had much luck with finding anything research-supported | 20:28 |
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| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | ||
| Fritz87 | hey guys, what do you think of this idea for a school: laptop carts moved from room to room with netbooks running edubuntu | 21:22 |
| Fritz87 | 1 cart per 5 classrooms | 21:23 |
| Fritz87 | preferrably the eee pc 1000/1000h/1000ha (good keyboard, other stats are good, ~450 dollars) | 21:23 |
| Ahmuck | Fritz87: actually our school district here is doing that with windows | 22:15 |
| nubae | Ahmuck: did u try and contact me for something yesterday? | 22:24 |
| nubae | fatclient related I suppose :-) | 22:24 |
| Ahmuck | ah, yes | 22:58 |
| Ahmuck | i followed your tutorial, and everything works, thin clients boot, etc. until i modify the dhcpd.conf and add the fat client section | 22:59 |
| Ahmuck | then i can no longer boot fat or thin clients | 22:59 |
| nubae | can u paste your dhcpd.conf | 22:59 |
| nubae | to pastebin.be | 22:59 |
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