[02:26] how many instructors are involved in the edubuntu project? [02:26] K-12 educational instructors [02:26] None, as far as I know. [02:26] Contributers, at least. [02:27] what is a contributer? [02:27] Well, someone contributing code, writing docs, etc. [02:27] so it's not just code, correct? [02:28] Well, there's packaging, fixing bugs, writing docs, maintaining the wiki, etc. [02:28] beyond the edubuntu project, there is kde education, etc. does gnome also have an educational department? [02:28] No, there's no parallel with kde-edu team in Gnome, AFAIK [02:29] what other organizations in the linux world are there targeting education? [02:30] Well, there's The Fedora K12 project, Edubuntu, and upstream, kdeedu. [02:30] In europe, there's also skolelinux [02:31] skolelinux uses an older version of Debian [02:32] A large number of the people who are involved with the Fedora K12 are ALSO involved with Edubuntu [02:32] http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/ - i found this article [02:32] and most are actively involved with LTSP [02:33] ltsp is used by major distros (commercial) [02:33] ? [02:34] Yes, LTSP is now included as part of Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and SuSE. [02:34] sold commercially with comercial support? [02:34] though i don't think debian sells anything [02:35] Well, The LTSP project itself doesn't have commercial support. But Ubuntu sells commercial support. [02:35] And Warren Togami, who's the founder of the Fedora project, is actively involved in LTSP, and I'm sure it will eventually make it's way into RHEL. [02:35] as well as Fedora, Suse ? [02:36] er, RedHat [02:36] Are you aware of any large installations (commercial) of LTSP? [02:36] Define large? [02:36] Blue Cross and Blue Shield [02:37] American Family Insuranse [02:37] A college [02:37] A state government [02:37] or a medium sized business [02:37] Well, where I work, we run on LTSP, which is 200+ workstations. [02:38] I know the telecentros project in Brazil uses it, which is 10,000 + terminals. [02:38] the University of Amazonia uses it. Several thousand terminals. [02:38] etc. [02:39] in the usa, are you aware of any large educational installations? [02:41] I'm not in the USA, but I know Ellesworth High School uses Edubuntu, and there's some municiple government in Florida that has 400+ ltsp terminals. [02:42] http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories#Local_Net_Solutions_installs_7_s [02:44] K so, there you go. [02:46] so there are no educators in edubuntu or kde education, etc? [02:46] that you are aware of, primarily coders [02:46] No, unfortunalely. [02:47] We'd love to have some. But until we get some, you're stuck with us. [02:47] You're an educator, right? [02:50] my mother is. i teach, but not in the education system. i teach via lugs and promotion via lugs through county fairs, and creating lugs [02:51] i'm connected to the education system through people [02:53] * Ahmuck goes to peruse edubuntu's website [02:57] does the ubuntu site list a set of apps for homework management, etc.? [02:57] school planning, school calendar? [03:02] I can't remember the one that's an installable package in Ubuntu. [03:03] but there is a CMS for classrooms. [03:06] essentially edubuntu provides a base and then requires the educator to set up the other aspects [03:06] would there be a reason to build a ubuntu ltsp distro with a set of pre-installed pre-configured packages for educators? [03:07] Um, that's what Edubuntu is/ [03:07] Edubuntu comes with a set of pre-installed apps, and sets up an LTSP network for you. [03:08] Or is there something that you feel Edubuntu ISN'T providing that it should. [03:08] Ah [03:08] Moodle. [03:09] i moodle - Course Management System for Online Learning [03:52] wb Ahmuck [04:14] I'm not getting anything when I log into my edubuntu server from a graphical login screen; just a black screen with the arrow cursor; I also can't seem to add users from the users-admin screen, though my user is the only one I've added so far [04:14] PS: hi, all! [04:15] from a ltsp client? [04:15] or from the gdm on the server? [04:15] from a client [04:16] from the gdm on the server, I login fine, but am unable to add users [04:16] [22:15] I also have my edubuntu ltsp server here at home to troubleshoot before I bring it back to the school tomorrow, but no screen to attach to it and the 'net-side interface is a wireless one set to connect to the school's AP; can I ssh into the terminal-side interface if it's connected to my router? [04:17] thx, Ahmuck [04:18] so ur sshing from home to the server at home via a thin client you've connected through ? [04:18] headless server? [04:18] thin client at home? [04:19] haven't tried one yet [04:19] only have one cat5 cable here, I think [04:19] i'm confused [04:19] sshing from my laptop to the server [04:20] server is at home and headless, and your connecting from the laptop to the server via ssh wirelessly [04:20] right [04:20] but the server is plugged in from the term-side interface to the router [04:21] is ssh available by default on that interface? [04:21] laptop (wireless) --> router (wireless AP) --> server [04:21] I work for two private schools in my area with laptops whose drives have been dying since the warranty expired; a working edubuntu server would be a big win [04:21] nothingman: What kind of thin client are you using? [04:22] Ahmuck, yes, but with the server connected by a wire [04:22] sbalneav: none atm [04:23] So, the "nothing at the graphical login screens" at the console? [04:23] i assume your wanting to do it this way because you are testing it this way to do it similar at school? [04:23] of the server? [04:23] sbalneav: laptops with dead HDs at the school, where I get the black screen [04:24] Do you have one there to test with? [04:24] ur wanting to boot the laptops with ltsp? [04:24] Ahmuck: no, have a monitor I'd like to attach but it's not capable of the same resolution, so I have to change xorg.conf first [04:24] sbalneav: yes, but I don't think I have another cord [04:25] can you boot your laptop hooked up directly to the ltsp server via a cord? [04:25] Kinda hard to help you debug a problem without the problem being there to work on. :) [04:25] cord/cable [04:25] hook the laptop up to the server client side and boot via network. open a terminal and change the resolution [04:27] Ahmuck; I don't have a crossover cable, and no extra cat5 [04:27] inet --> wireless router --> server --> laptop [04:27] the nics aren't auto sense? [04:27] is ssh enabled by default on the termside nic, or no? [04:27] Ahmuck: no [04:27] nothingman: yes it is. [04:28] OK, strange [04:28] sorry [04:28] no prob [04:28] ltsp uses ssh to log in, so it should be enabled. [04:28] if it's not, that's a problem. [04:38] back again [04:38] had to mess with my ip config [04:38] now I was able to log in [04:38] and change my xorg.conf [04:38] now, can anyone answer my question about getting a black screen on login from a terminal? [04:39] a client, I mean [04:39] and about not being able to administer users from users-admin [04:40] OK, are you talking about administering the users from a thin client? [04:40] blinking cursor ? [04:40] Because there's a bug in the consolekit that makes the user config fail if done from a thin client. [04:40] Ahmuck: no, pointer, from the ldm screen login to just a black screen with the cursor [04:40] as for the blinking cursor on a thin client, once again: can you hook up one of them to try? [04:41] sbalneav: he's getting a mouse arrow with black screen [04:41] it's failing after login [04:41] sbalneav: no, from a gdm-logged-in console attached directly (kv&m) to the server [04:41] separate issues [04:41] black screen is logging in from a thin client, users-admin I'm trying to run from a gdm login [04:41] * Ahmuck goes back to being quiet [04:41] ok, so what happens when you try to add a user? [04:43] absolutely nothing, all buttons are greyed out except for "Manage Groups", "Help" and "Close" [04:43] are you trying to run users-admin from a user that has admin priviledges? [04:43] try this [04:43] afaict, yes [04:43] the only user I set up [04:43] not root, though [04:43] as that user open up a terminal [04:43] then type "id" [04:43] OK [04:43] paste the results [04:44] groups: adm,dialout,cdrom,plugdev,lpadmin,admin,sambashare,jmarris [04:44] uid=1000(jmarris) gid=1000(jmarris) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),110(lpadmin),119(admin),126(sambashare),1000(jmarris) [04:44] the first line I typed by hand to be quick, not that it was [04:45] what group am I missing? [04:46] So, there isn't an "unlock" button on the bottom of the users and groups manager? [04:46] correct [04:47] ok, at the same command prompt, what happens if you type "sudo -i" [04:47] I get the root prompt [04:48] And what version of ubuntu are you running? [04:48] 8.10 [04:48] Not sure then. [04:49] works here on mine, but I'm running hardy. [04:49] I never use the graphical user manager anyway, I always just use the command line tools. [04:50] I'd say it sounds like a bug, myself. [04:50] are all your updates... up to date? :) [04:51] yeah, when I left on Thursday they were [04:52] hmm [04:52] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/231246 [04:52] Ubuntu bug 231246 in policykit "'Unlock' button in admin utilities greyed out (dup-of: 210897)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:52] Ubuntu bug 210897 in consolekit "sudo *something which uses poliykit?* doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] [04:52] Seems to indicate it's related to what's in /etc/hosts [04:52] cat you paste your /etc/hosts to the pastebin? [04:52] !pastebin [04:52] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [04:53] interesting [04:53] I have 127.0.0.1 localhost [04:53] and 127.0.1.1 ubuntu [04:53] I thought I changed it to tech-server or something like that [04:53] that's it for your /etc/hosts? [04:54] what do you have for 127.0.1.1? [04:54] no, I'll do that [04:55] so whatever the hostname is [04:55] strange that mozilla SeaMonkey doesn't open in new tabs like FF [04:55] ubuntu [04:55] ubuntu again [04:55] then you'll want a line like 127.0.1.1 ubuntu [04:55] that's what it is [04:57] I'm getting silence; is everyone there? [04:58] I'm here [04:58] k, thx [04:59] I have a Win machine that has crapware installed using my connection, too [04:59] trying to get to Wupdate on it [04:59] so it's taking up quite a bit of bandwidth [04:59] As for the black screen, in order to help you debug that, I'd need to have you hook up the thin client. [05:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com/76254/ [05:01] when you type the "hostname" command at the prompt, that's what you get? [05:01] OK [05:01] there's nothing I could do once I have a user enabled to login from it to ensure a desktop shows up eventually on the thin client? [05:02] A user should be able to log into the thin client no problem [05:02] yup [05:02] Does the thin client get the login screen? [05:03] yeah [05:03] and after I login as my (sole) user from that term, it goes away and there's just a black background and the pointer cursor [05:03] K, well, that shounds like the ssh wasn't running. [05:04] actually, I've been logged into the termside ssh this whole time [05:04] since I changed my laptop's and router's IPs [05:05] interesting, i had the same problem with user addition [05:06] so i thought i would use sabayon, but sabayon crashes on me [05:06] how did you fix it? [05:06] i haven't [05:07] no clues from my hosts file, sbalneav? [05:09] What does the output of 'polkit-auth --show-obtainable' give you [05:12] com.ubuntu.devicedriver.install [05:12] that's it? [05:13] yup [05:15] Something's broken with your policykit then, I'd say. [05:15] what does ck-list-sessions give you? [05:15] what's the command for the gnome policykit admin utility? [05:16] darned if I know, like I say, I always use the command line for all admin activities. [05:16] That always works :) [05:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/76265/ [05:19] how are you doing this? [05:20] You're logged in via ssh? [05:20] I thought you were logged in at the console? [05:21] your display device is /dev/ssh [05:21] That shouldn't be if you're on the console. [05:22] huzzah! [05:23] I changed "root" in PolicyKit.conf to "jmarris" [05:23] shabizzle! [05:23] Shouldn't need to do that. [05:24] You've got something else wrong, but whatever. [05:24] yeah, but I couldn't run the gui policykit tools from the command line [05:24] so ftm, it works [05:25] now I can change my defaults in the gui, then change that back and I'm secure again [05:37] still there? [05:40] * Ahmuck writes that down [05:42] I'm still here, yeah [05:42] is that a bug? [05:42] any reason a default install would have to modify the policykit.conf? [05:42] shouldn't the su be able to do this? [05:44] Policy kit's tied up with the hostname, so since he's taken the machine out of the school and has it at home, I'd say it now has a different concept of "who it is" and that's where the problem lies. [05:45] had this problem at the school, actually [05:45] same here [05:45] vanilla install [05:46] so, only able to change on physical host? unable to change via a thin client? [05:46] reading through that launchpad, it seems the default policy is for *no* user but root to have any control over the system [05:46] this might fix a lot of things for me [05:47] Yes, currently, policy kit doesn't know anything about ltsp terminals. [05:47] and adding a line -- something to do with auth_as_admin, or some such, will allow an admin group user to change it, rather than mucking the way I did [05:47] Ahmuck, I was sshing from an Ubuntu laptop connected through the term-side interface [05:48] ran across a firefox addon called glubble [05:48] interesting, but not sure i want it on, as everytime the browser opens, it opens that as an added tab [05:56] nm, glubble is great for what were trying to do [05:57] i can restrict children to children's pages by setting up firefox on that user with gubble kid's page [06:03] that is a kewl kid's browser [06:24] edubuntu needs a firefox extension similar to glubble. a whitelist browser [15:53] hi, all [15:53] still having the trouble with a black screen on logging in via thin client [16:00] I don't see anything in the documentation about setting up a desktop for users, though I assume having an appropriate .xsession file would be sufficient [16:07] hi, all [16:07] still having trouble logging in from a thin client [16:10] I get a black screen with the arrow cursor [16:12] nothing in the documentation seems to explain how to create a desktop for a user [16:13] can anyone explain why I wouldn't have user home directories in my /opt/ltsp/i386? [16:21] is anyone here? [18:16] * highvoltage could do with a chocolate milkshake right now [19:40] hello [20:27] hey everybody! I'm looking for statistics or research about the disadvantages that comes with a lack of computers in education, has anyone had any experience on the subject or have any suggestions for a good place to look? [20:28] I'm finding a lot of opinions but I havent had much luck with finding anything research-supported === Knight709 is now known as Fritz87 === ogra_ is now known as ogra [21:22] hey guys, what do you think of this idea for a school: laptop carts moved from room to room with netbooks running edubuntu [21:23] 1 cart per 5 classrooms [21:23] preferrably the eee pc 1000/1000h/1000ha (good keyboard, other stats are good, ~450 dollars) [22:15] Fritz87: actually our school district here is doing that with windows [22:24] Ahmuck: did u try and contact me for something yesterday? [22:24] fatclient related I suppose :-) [22:58] ah, yes [22:59] i followed your tutorial, and everything works, thin clients boot, etc. until i modify the dhcpd.conf and add the fat client section [22:59] then i can no longer boot fat or thin clients [22:59] can u paste your dhcpd.conf [22:59] to pastebin.be