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a|wen-isn't testing before release over-rated ;)00:05
* a|wen- admits that he hadn't00:05
a|wen-Riddell: when do we start using iso.qa.ubuntu.com for testing in jaunty; first beta or earlier?00:07
Riddellfirst alpha i would have thought00:13
a|wen-it's still stuck on intrepid final it seems00:13
a|wen-Riddell: would we want to look over the install-cases currently avaible on the iso testing and make sure they match the cases we offer on the cd better?00:20
Riddell2iso testing site is hard to alter for that00:22
Riddellit should have stuff like install in another language00:22
Riddellstgraber is the guy to poke with suggestions00:22
a|wen-do we simply have the "same" tests as ubuntu as it is now?00:23
a|wen-hmm, seems that is not the case00:25
* a|wen- notes down to poke stgraber one of the next days00:34
ScottKRiddell: I did rebuild kubuntu-meta and add armel to the package right after.01:24
ScottK... after Alpha 1.01:24
JontheEchidna-- checking for module 'qca2'03:03
JontheEchidna--   found qca2, version 2.0.003:03
JontheEchidna-- Could NOT find QCA2  (missing:  QCA2_LIBRARIES)03:03
JontheEchidnawtf?03:03
JontheEchidna-- cmake package FindWebKitKde.cmake was not found. This package needs webkitkde to be compile all program03:03
JontheEchidnaengrish ahoy03:03
Hobbseehah03:04
Hobbseethat sounds...broken03:04
JontheEchidnaIt also can't find decibel03:04
JontheEchidnabut the package directly depends on libdecibel-dev :/03:04
* JontheEchidna cries03:05
jtechidnablah03:06
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* JontheEchidna continues to cry03:06
JontheEchidnabrb again03:08
JontheEchidnaoog, we need a new package to support msn in kopete now too03:16
TekkieFreakmsn....do people use that?03:18
TekkieFreak:)03:18
JontheEchidnaha03:18
JontheEchidna*sigh*03:24
TekkieFreakI guess I just plain don't IM much.03:31
Hobbseei'm just glad that stuff like facebook has more or less taken over msn.03:33
TekkieFreakYeah.03:34
TekkieFreakGuess I haven't done much facebook either.03:36
* TekkieFreak doesn't have many friends. *snif* :)03:36
TekkieFreakIs it like an IM thing?03:38
TekkieFreakOkie...I just did a Wiki...kind of like Myspace I guess.03:43
nixternalyou mean kind of useless like Myspace :)03:46
TekkieFreakHeh, no apparently studies show it's not a waste of time. :)03:47
TekkieFreakIt teaches useful social skills.03:47
* TekkieFreak considers joining to learn "useful social skills" :)03:47
nixternalhaha03:49
nixternalIRC teaches me enough social skills03:49
nixternalor better yet, IRC teaches enuff social skillz03:49
Hobbseeit doesn't do pictures, thouhg03:50
Hobbseeand ZOMGPICSPLZ!!!03:50
Hobbseenixternal: still surviving gnome?03:50
TekkieFreakHeh, I dunno...I used to irc all the time back in the early 90's and look how I turned out. :)03:50
nixternalHobbsee: somewhat03:50
Hobbseehaha03:51
Hobbseepoor vistalover...03:51
nixternalvista > gnome03:51
Hobbseesure?03:51
nixternalI kind of fell in love with another wm.. wmii03:51
nixternalI have way to much vested in KDE...it would take a ton for me to switch full time...I have been with KDE pretty much since day 103:52
nixternalI find myself getting annoyed quite easily with other wm's or de's03:52
TekkieFreakI switched from a mac so I like kde403:52
nixternalwhich is odd to hear03:52
TekkieFreakWhat switching from a Mac?03:54
nixternalno, but that being the reason you liked kde4 and not gnome03:54
nixternalto me gnome and mac osx are very similar whereas kde and windows are similar03:55
Hobbseegnome doesn't look very osx like?03:55
nixternali think it does03:55
TekkieFreakOh...well I was never keen on the look and feel of osX actually.03:55
TekkieFreakIf you could run a different wm on osX...I'd probably be in heaven.03:56
TekkieFreakLike completely remove Aqua and have kde or something complete with application menus on the application window.03:57
TekkieFreakActually, my mac finally pretty much quit and I ended up just buying a Dell.04:00
TekkieFreakMac hardware is soooo expensive...and my experience hasn't shown that it's *that* great.04:01
TekkieFreakSo why pay the Apple tax?04:01
jussi01Hrm, is anyoneworking on the bug in system settings/fglrx (the version in proposed?)04:05
jussi01and also, does anyone know how to get the plugins for gwenview in intrepid?04:06
TekkieFreakgwenview works fine for me. I didn't do anything special...installed with adept.04:07
jussi01oh, and Hi everyone :D04:07
TekkieFreakhi jussi04:07
jussi01TekkieFreak: you have the plugins for it though?04:07
TekkieFreakUm...apparently I must. It works.04:07
TekkieFreakCourse all I've done is look at some .jpgs with it...so maybe I don't have plugins.04:08
jussi01TekkieFreak: yes it works, but when you go to plugins- select any one, does it have any plugins?04:09
TekkieFreakOh I see..nope sorry no plugins04:09
TekkieFreaktry this link: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+question/501704:11
TekkieFreakmaybe that will help.04:11
TekkieFreakWell gotta run guys...see you later.04:13
nixternaldo people really enjoy this touch screen crap?04:18
nixternalI am watching these windows 7 videos, and I have to say, "WHO CARES?!?!?!"04:18
nixternalyay, really take my hands away from the keyboard04:18
Hobbseenixternal: touch screens are nice.  Especially when they're callibrated.04:19
nixternalnot when you have hands the size of mine04:19
Hobbseethat depends on hwo big the screen is04:19
Hobbseeand how big the things on the screen are.04:20
nixternalI would need a tablet with a 19" lcd :)04:20
* Hobbsee uses a touchscreen all the time for work04:20
nixternalI don't see how it could be any more useful than a mouse04:20
Hobbseesome people can't use mice, for some reason04:20
Hobbseeand you don't have to move the mouse, etc.04:20
nixternalthey shouldn't use computers then04:20
nixternal:p04:20
Hobbseeand how are you really going to use a mouse, when wandering around in the city with your tablet?04:21
nixternalsee, I wouldn't be wondering around the city with my tablet...I wonder around with my blackberry04:21
Hobbseeah04:22
Hobbseethat's what we were using a tablet in Sevilla for04:22
Hobbseetrying to find the location of the uni04:22
Hobbseewhich would have been a bit of a pain on a blackberry, I suspect.04:22
nixternala tablet is to big to be carrying around for use like that04:22
nixternalnot when you have gps on your blackberry04:22
Hobbseeif you're carrying it around anyway?  :P04:22
HobbseeI see your point though04:22
nixternalI have friends who have tablets and they love them...I don't get it04:23
Hobbseeeeepc's and such would probably find touchscreens very useful04:23
Hobbseethose touchpads are tiny04:23
nixternalshoot, those keyboard are tiny04:23
nixternalI cannot type on an eeePC nor a Dell mini-904:23
Hobbseeso you'd have to bump the acceleration up, which then makes it less precise.04:23
nixternalso I will never purchase one...i like my 17" LCDs04:23
Hobbseeheh04:23
* Hobbsee wishes she coudl get a monitor that would fit on her desk04:23
nixternalI use my laptop for work..not for sitting on my lap while I listen to some free software luser give a talk :p04:23
nixternals/17" LCDs/17" laptops04:24
nixternalI love my 30" LCDs!04:24
Hobbseeouch04:24
Hobbseethe idea of laptops, i thought, was that they were portable :p04:24
Hobbseedad has a 17". it's huge!04:24
nixternal17" is portable...fits in my chrome bag well and I don't even notice it anymore04:25
nixternalnow a big laptop with a backpack would suck...messenger bags ftw!04:25
* Hobbsee notes most people don't do their daily weightlifting wiht laptops04:25
nixternalhehe04:26
Hobbseebut for your use cases, yes, it wouldn't be a help to you :P04:26
nixternalyet another niche market I guess04:26
nixternalthe same market as those sillys who sit at starbucks on their macs04:26
nixternalI just want to spill my latte on it04:26
nixternaland them04:26
nixternalplus, my 17" laptop, makes it impossible for others on the train to sit next to me when I have it open :p04:27
HobbseeJontheEchidna: errr...why do you need it all done for tuesday?04:27
Hobbseeheh04:27
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ScottKUrgh.06:06
ScottKHow can libplasma3 be an rdepend of libplasma2?06:06
ScottKClearly that's a sign I need to go to bed.06:06
Hobbseehah.  Yes, probably.06:07
jussio1oh, I can file a bug, but might be easier for someone to just fix it now, kipi-plugins has a recommends for kooka, which doesnt exist anymore06:25
jussio1!info skanlite06:26
ubottuskanlite (source: skanlite): KDE 4 image scanning application. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2-kde4.1.2-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 1185 kB, installed size 1608 kB06:26
a|wenmorning people07:14
_Simeok, time for a nice bike ride in the snow to work...07:39
jussio1Morning a|wen07:47
a|wenwas anyone in the process of packaging libmsn?07:48
* a|wen just woke up to JontheEchidna's ramblings :)07:49
* Hobbsee still fails to see why it needs to be done by tuesday?07:57
a|wenit has to be done sometime soon ... but tuesday doesn't seem that possible08:08
a|wenseems there have been some packaging fuss over libmsn on debian-mentors list ... if we're lucky we can simply start auto-syncing in a week or so08:41
NCommanderhey apachelogger09:21
NCommanderJontheEchidna, ping09:28
NCommander JontheEchidna ping10:05
HobbseeNCommander: i think everyone's asleep.10:25
HobbseeNCommander: why haven't you uploaded any more sourceful crackports yet?10:26
BUGabundo_workhi10:30
BUGabundo_workwho is keeping tabs on jaunty kdepim snapshots?10:30
Riddellwe do10:31
Riddellsay what the issue is and someone may be able to help (or we might just send out a salesman to make ourselves look good while not being helpful at all :)10:32
BUGabundo_workweren't you on vacation Riddell?10:32
BUGabundo_workLOL Riddell10:33
BUGabundo_workno a big prob10:33
BUGabundo_workjust a few bugs I found during the weekend reported at LP and upstream10:33
BUGabundo_workand some have already been fixed10:33
RiddellI'm not sunning myself on a beach, my holiday consists of visiting KDE people10:33
BUGabundo_workI wanted to know the next date of the sync10:33
Riddellbeta 1 should get uploaded this week10:34
BUGabundo_workhope to meet you on the next Tokamak then, lol I'm co-organising it!10:34
BUGabundo_workso until the next beta, bugs won't get fixed on jaunty?10:34
BUGabundo_workeven if available upstream?10:34
Riddellno, it takes a week to package and upload and build KDE10:36
Riddelland jaunty isn't exactly close to release10:36
BUGabundo_workI know10:37
BUGabundo_workjust asking10:37
BUGabundo_workI have one NASTY bug on my kmail10:37
BUGabundo_workthey introduced a NEW wonderful feature (message list sort filters) but if you manually add a new one, kmail will fail to start10:37
BUGabundo_workhumm10:54
BUGabundo_workfrom the traceback it looks like a string error10:55
BUGabundo_workupps10:55
BUGabundo_worksorry wrong window10:55
glade88kde4.2 shall be released before jaunty, or will jaunty be the first to have it?11:09
Tm_Tglade88: erm...11:18
Tm_Tglade88: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule11:19
glade88Tm_T: ah, thanks. And naturally, intrepid will have it merged11:22
Tm_Tglade88: from its own source ofcourse11:22
glade88oic11:23
Tm_Tppa I'm guessing11:23
glade88_meh.. isp woes11:26
glade88_Tm_T: ppa? not backports?11:26
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Tm_Tglade88_: perhaps that too but ppa for starters I believe11:26
glade88Tm_T: ah..11:26
BUGabundo_workdon't we already have too many levels of available updates?11:27
Tm_Tindeed we do11:27
BUGabundo_workPPA -> Proposed -> updates11:27
BUGabundo_workoh and I forgot the new bzr code11:27
BUGabundo_worklots of people now working with branchs and trunk from there11:29
apacheloggermeh(tm)11:57
apacheloggerNightrose: ETA?11:57
Nightroseapachelogger: 20 mins11:57
apacheloggeroh dear11:57
apacheloggerNightrose: did you already try latest neon build?11:57
Nightroseyes11:58
Nightrosestill no workie :(11:58
apacheloggerI think your setup is just b0rked :P11:58
Nightrosemight be but I'd like to know how :/11:58
Nightroseany what i can do about it11:58
Nightrose*and11:58
apacheloggerkdebugdialog => activate everything => get a console dump12:02
Nightrosek will do when i am finished with releasing rc 112:03
Nightrosejust need to add the release image then i should be good to go12:03
apacheloggeras a matter of fact I don't see why the current builds don't work, in theory both phonon and phonon-xine should be coming from their stable branches now12:04
apacheloggerclaydoh: please move the 8.10 section of the adept howto to the top12:17
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Nightroseapachelogger: released!12:28
apacheloggerjeez12:28
apacheloggerhn12:29
apacheloggerhm12:29
apacheloggerNightrose: you know, I packaged 1.98?12:29
Nightroseyea?12:30
Nightroseand?12:30
apacheloggeryou link to 9412:30
NightroseoO12:31
Nightrosewill fix12:31
Nightrosethx12:31
* jussio1 hugs Nightrose :D12:32
* jussio1 waves to apachelogger12:32
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apacheloggerNightrose: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-rc-112:33
Nightrose:)12:33
* apachelogger rewaves jussio112:33
Nightroseapachelogger: thx12:33
Nightrose:)12:33
Nightrosejussi01:13:34
NightroseSetting up quassel-core (0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1) ...13:34
Nightrose * The user quasselcore, required to run quasselcore does not exist.13:34
Nightrosejussi01_ too13:34
Nightroseapachelogger: ghns doesn't work here in rc1 - can you test to see if it a problem with my setup?13:43
Nightroseor can someone else test?13:43
* JontheEchidna still needs to update13:44
apacheloggerb0rked13:44
Nightroseapachelogger: ok - let me see if it works in trunk - sec13:45
Nightrosenarf13:45
Nightrosesame there13:45
Nightroseok works for leinir13:47
Nightrosethen it has to be some other problem13:47
Nightroseworks for nhn as well13:49
NightroseJontheEchidna: can you upgrade and try please?13:49
JontheEchidnabbl13:50
JontheEchidnanew router13:50
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apacheloggerNightrose: maybe someone patched it dead14:02
Nightroseapachelogger: who and how?14:02
Nightrose;-)14:02
apacheloggerI dunno who, but the how is explaiend by the word "patched"14:02
Nightrose:P14:02
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benoitstandrehello everyone. a quick question. Is it possible that the amarok-kde4 package has been built with kde 4.1.3 instead of default intrepid 4.1.2 ?14:26
benoitstandreI know it's not officially into Kubuntu supported, but since it's announced on Kubuntu's web site (I get amarok-kde4: Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.3) but 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu11 is to be installed , so I suppose this is the case)14:27
benoitstandrethat's the amarok 2 rc package which is in kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA14:29
jtechidnaNightrose: upgrading, but it might take a while since kde-nightly is getting an update14:37
Nightroseno problem14:37
Nightrosethx14:37
linux_user400354how can i get kcontrol in inteprid for kde3 apps like amarok?14:38
echidnamanheh, every time you change a setting on the router it resets itself14:39
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jjessewho is in charge of the kubuntu website?15:36
Nightrosejjesse: ryanakca for example15:37
jjesseNightrose: thanks15:43
Nightrosesure15:44
jjessei've had 4 error messages during install of jaunty alpah115:48
jjesseis there a log file some place15:48
jjesseon the reboot, no x or anything15:49
jjessethink i found the erorr in the installer syslog libgpg-error0 is already the newest version15:51
jjesse"WARNING **: Configure 'pkgsel' failed with error code 115:51
claydohapachelogger: adept wiki page fixed15:51
JontheEchidnaHa, my dad is still trying to get wireless to work with my mom's windoze computer15:57
JontheEchidnaand they said knetworkmanager was borked :P15:57
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: lolz17:08
apacheloggerclaydoh: thx17:08
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: we gave up and are using a wired connection :P17:09
* apachelogger only uses wireless when he's working in bed :P17:09
loolI'm poking at kdesdk, it failed to build in jaunty on misc arches, but has a newer version in intrepid-proposed and intrepid-backports17:17
loolFirst, I do wonder how that can be :)  and second, diffing these two yields plenty of weird stuff17:18
loolLike depends downgraded or dropped, changelog entry dropped etc.17:18
apacheloggerprobably a crappy merge from debian17:19
apacheloggerlool: as for the version difference, we didn't bother to upgrade jaunty to 4.1.3 because we are jumping right to 4.1.80 (i.e. 4.2 beta117:20
apachelogger)17:20
loolapachelogger: Is there an ETA on this?17:20
apacheloggerwell... if JontheEchidna ever gets done with it, that would be the ETA ;-)17:20
looleh17:20
loolCause if it's not too much work to push 4.1.3 and if it doesn't FTBFS like 4.1.2, that would help :)17:21
loolJontheEchidna: Hey17:21
JontheEchidnahi17:21
loolJontheEchidna: Would you have some guesstimate of the time around which 4.1.80 would land?17:21
JontheEchidnahum17:22
* apachelogger notes that it would be done earlier if lool would help ;-)17:22
lool(or any kdesdk package which builds)17:22
JontheEchidnaIf it continues to be just me and apachelogger then probably a day or two17:22
loolapachelogger: Well I had a look, but it's not clear to me why stuff was reverted in such ways17:22
apacheloggerbecause the jaunty packages got merged with debian and the intrepid ones did not17:23
apacheloggerfor that matter if you knew what "stuff" is I might be able to make up reasons17:23
loolSorry folks, didn't want to imply that you're not doing the work fast enough; I don't care about a new upstream, I'm not even running KDE; it's just that this particular package seems to be in an odd shape and is blocking armel bootstrap17:23
loolI'm regrabbing the .dsc and will push the debdiff somewhere so that we can discuss how to resolve this17:24
* apachelogger ask the sluggish launchpad17:24
loolhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/kdesdk_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.debdiff17:25
loolSo the weirdness starts in changelog, where some Ubuntu and some Debian entries were dropped17:25
looleven relatively old stuff17:25
loolThis is also weird:17:26
lool-Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}17:26
loolBut then I'm not familiar with your packaging helpers, it seems there's this embedded copy of debian/scripts/dh_sameversiondeps which is changed and pokes at shlibs deps17:27
apacheloggerlool: you diffed them in the wrong order17:28
apachelogger4.1.2 from jaunty got newer packaging than 4.1.3 from intrepid17:28
loolapachelogger: I did "kdesdk_4.1.2-1ubuntu4.dsc kdesdk_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.dsc"17:28
apacheloggerthus you would have to diff 4.1.3 to 4.1.217:28
NCommanderhey apachelogger17:28
apacheloggerand run a filterdiff on the debdiff :P17:28
apacheloggerhola NCommander17:28
apacheloggerNCommander: ready to package KDE 4.1.80?17:28
NCommanderNeed any help w.r.t. to KDE packaging?17:29
JontheEchidnavery yes^17:29
apacheloggervery^2 yes^17:29
NCommanderSure17:29
NCommanderDisclaimer: I'm on a fairly slow pipe17:29
NCommanderWhere's the needs packaging list?17:29
loolapachelogger: So is it normal to push 4.1.3 to backports when it's not in jaunty?17:30
apacheloggerlool: [18:20:11] <apachelogger> lool: as for the version difference, we didn't bother to upgrade jaunty to 4.1.3 because we are jumping right to 4.1.80 (i.e. 4.2 beta117:31
loolapachelogger: So you're suggesting that I shouldn't look at this backport at all, discard any potential it has despite it being a new version and look at updating kdesdk to 4.1.3 from the jaunty version again, or the 4.1.80 version?17:32
lools/potential/potential packaging changes17:32
Nightrosewoah JontheEchidna - stop spamming my inbox! :P17:34
JontheEchidna:P17:34
JontheEchidnabugfixes are bugfixes, what can I say?17:34
Nightrose;-)17:34
loolHmm it seems Vcs-Svn in kdesdk points to Debian, but there's no Ubuntu branch there17:35
loolJust FYI, the backport is based on intrepid and doesn't carry the intrepid-updates fix17:41
loolSo does anybody mind if I push 4.1.3 in jaunty with the same changes as for 4.1.2-0ubuntu1 -> 4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1?17:43
Riddelllool: if it doesn't have any build-deps that need updating (kdelibs5 >= 4.1.3 etc) that would be fine17:49
loolRiddell: it does, but i merged these changes from the intrepid backport17:49
loolI basically merged the intrepid backport into jaunty17:49
loolYou think I should also rediff the upstream releases?17:49
loolI hope nobody minds that I also drop Vcs-* in the process -- since these point at Debian17:50
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loolI've pushed kdesdk to my ppa fo rnow17:58
looldiffing the upstream releases, I didn't see anything needing an update, but then I might not be looking for everything I should be looking for in KDE tarballs17:59
loolSo it failed to build http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19909397/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdesdk_4%3A4.1.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz18:22
loolsame failure as on armel18:22
loolI guess it's a libplasma-dev change18:23
JontheEchidnayeah18:23
* lool needs to disappear for tonight18:23
JontheEchidnaprobably will have to be fixed with an 4.1.80 upgrade18:23
loolHopefully the new upstream release fixes that and I don't need to look into it :-P18:23
JontheEchidnahehe18:23
loolDo you care that I push the merged source as to have the intrepid backport and the intermediate upstream in changelog?18:24
loolit's only in my ppa so far18:24
* lool really gone &18:25
apacheloggerbug 29719518:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 297195 in kdebase-workspace "Gnome/KDE applications.menu collision resolution breaks searching in applications-merged dir" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29719518:59
blueyedamarok (1) in Jaunty fails to start: amarokapp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN3KJS9ObjectImp4markEv19:22
blueyedDoes it need a rebuild?19:22
* apachelogger cuddles Nightrose19:23
* Nightrose cuddles apachelogger19:23
apacheloggerblueyed: possibly, it will be replaced by amarok 2 soon anyway19:24
blueyedapachelogger: amarok fails to build on Intrepid..19:38
blueyeds/Intrepid/Jaunty/19:38
* apachelogger blames NCommander19:38
apacheloggerhe is the only one who fiddled with kdelibs IIRC19:38
* NCommander blames apachelogger 19:38
apacheloggerthen again, I can't really blame him, kdelibs is so badly patched it breaks from eving looking at it19:38
apacheloggers/eving/even19:39
* NCommander looks at apachelogger expecting the same result :-)19:39
* apachelogger is near ballmer peak, no time for breaking!19:39
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loolHmm I couldn't find any 4.1.80 on ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/latest/src but only 4.1.7120:20
loolthere's a /pub/kde/unstable/4.1.73/src too20:21
JontheEchidnalool: it's in a semi-secret place until release20:21
loolJontheEchidna: So libplasma-dev is built by kdebase-workspace which FTBFS as well http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19848698/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.1.73-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:22
loolI wanted to grab it to check its changelog20:22
JontheEchidnalool: in 4.1.80 libplasma-dev is in kde4libs20:22
loolEternal fun ahead!20:22
JontheEchidnaheh20:22
loolAh, it looks like I can't download 4.1.80, only packagers can20:24
apacheloggerlool: why would you want to download it anyway?20:28
jjesselikes punishment?20:31
apacheloggeroh dear20:31
loolapachelogger: As I wrote above, I wanted to check whether it at least fixed the failures, and, why not, package it20:31
apacheloggerlool: get the packaging permission from JontheEchidna then I can upload the tarball for you20:32
apacheloggerbut I am quite confident it builds on arm20:32
apacheloggernokia deployed loads of armel based devices at last akademy20:33
apacheloggerso it would be surprising if KDE trunk did not build by 100% on it by now ;-)20:33
JontheEchidnaI am quite sure that the failure is just due to API changes since 4.1.220:33
apacheloggerpossibly20:34
loolLooks like it20:34
JontheEchidnaI can look at kdesdk right after I finish up with kdebase though :-)20:34
loolCool20:34
JontheEchidnain fact, I have it all ready to pbuild against our currently-packaged stack. I just need the cpu time :P20:35
* lool leaves the computer alone for the evening then; cheers for 4.1.8020:35
JontheEchidnahave a good one20:35
ryanakcajjesse: excellent idea... ^seelenn^ and I are porting mdke's help.ubuntu.com/community/ theme to the Kubuntu wiki... would it be of any use to you once we've finished?20:49
JontheEchidnaNightrose: btw, GHNS seems to work here20:53
NightroseJontheEchidna: hmmm strange20:54
Nightrosedoesn't work here even after a reboot20:54
apacheloggerare you running kde-nightly?20:54
Nightrosejep20:56
apacheloggerthat could be the problem20:56
Nightroseeverything else in amarok works so it is kind of strange20:56
Nightrosebut yea - might be20:57
* apachelogger doesn't know how the ghns stuff works so he can't tell why this happens20:57
apacheloggeranyone with hardy around?21:17
Nightroseapachelogger: on the eeepc yes21:28
* apachelogger falls off his chair21:28
apacheloggerNightrose: mind testing quassel 0.3.1?21:28
Nightrosesure21:29
apacheloggerNightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/quassel_0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/quassel-data_0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb21:30
apacheloggerNightrose: just needs a basica functionallity test, if a Qt app compiles it also works ;-)21:31
apacheloggerunless there are strange solar winds again and logic gets defeated by users21:31
Nightrosehaha alright i will boot up the eeepc and install it21:31
apacheloggerNightrose++21:32
apachelogger~order a unicorn for Nightrose21:32
* kubotu slides a unicorn down the bar to Nightrose21:32
Nightroseapachelogger: do you remember where that jazz journalist wrote about his collection? i am trying to find the post but can't21:32
Nightroseyaaaaaaaay unicorn!!!!21:32
apacheloggerdid I read that?21:32
Nightrosei think so21:32
Nightroseis quite old21:32
Nightrosehe had the largest collection we heard of so far21:33
apacheloggerthere you have it... stupid alcohol21:33
apacheloggerNightrose: but where was that?21:33
Nightrosedunno21:33
Nightrosethat is what i am asking you ;-)21:33
Nightrosei think forum21:33
apacheloggerme too21:33
Nightrosebut can't find it21:33
apacheloggerwell there are 3 billion topics about that kind of stuff in the forum :S21:34
Nightrosehehe yea but i am only lookign for that _one_21:34
Nightrose;-)21:34
apacheloggerNightrose: http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,13854.0.html21:35
apacheloggerfunny bugs all over the place :D21:35
Nightrosemeh21:36
apacheloggerNightrose: how abou that http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,14445.msg19792.html#msg1979221:36
Nightroseapachelogger!!!!21:38
Nightroseyou are the bestest21:38
apachelogger:)21:39
* apachelogger rides towards the sunset on his unicorn21:39
Nightrosehehe21:44
Nightrosedownloading quassel packages now21:44
Nightroseapachelogger: libqt4-sql-sqllite is not installed21:46
Nightroseshould i install and try again?21:47
apacheloggerNightrose: please21:47
Nightrosek21:47
Nightroseapachelogger: looks good21:53
Nightroseapachelogger: but on intrepid i get an error about the quassel user21:53
apacheloggerfrom my packages?21:53
Nightrosedunno who's packages those are21:54
Nightrosecame by adept21:54
apacheloggerapt-cache policy quassel21:54
Nightrosek21:54
Nightrose  Installed: (none)21:55
Nightrose  Candidate: 0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa121:55
Nightrose  Version table:21:55
Nightrose     0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 021:55
Nightrose        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Packages21:55
Nightrose     0.3.0-0ubuntu9 021:55
Nightrose        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Packages21:55
Nightrosesorry21:55
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apacheloggerhm21:55
apacheloggerseems to be from me21:55
apacheloggerNightrose: what is the error?21:55
Nightrosesec21:55
* apachelogger notes that it worked just fine here :(21:55
NightroseSetting up quassel-core (0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1) ...21:55
Nightrose * The user quasselcore, required to run quasselcore does not exist.21:55
Nightroseinvoke-rc.d: initscript quasselcore, action "start" failed.21:55
apacheloggermust be those solar winds again...21:55
Nightrosei don't even need a core here21:56
Nightrosehmmm21:56
apacheloggerwell, don't install the code then :P21:56
apacheloggersudo apt-get purge quassel-core21:56
Nightrose:P21:56
Nightrosedunno why it was installed21:56
Nightrosebut yea will do21:56
apacheloggerhm21:57
Nightroseapachelogger: doesn't work for the same reason :P21:57
apacheloggerfunnies21:58
apacheloggerNightrose: just use remove instead of purge21:58
* apachelogger is wondering where that error is coming from though21:58
Nightroseok21:59
Nightrosenarf!21:59
Nightrosedoesn't work either21:59
* Nightrose kicks it in the back22:00
apacheloggerhm22:00
apacheloggersudo dpgk -r quassel-core22:00
apachelogger*dpkg even22:00
Nightrosek22:00
Nightroseno dice22:01
Nightrosestill the same22:01
apacheloggerwhat did you do to that package? :P22:01
Nightrosehehe nothing!22:01
apacheloggerthere was no report about anything like that ever22:02
apacheloggerletz do the quickndirty solution22:02
Nightrosewell that is 2 days old or so22:02
Nightrosemaybe 122:02
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apacheloggerNightrose: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ there should be a file called quassel-core.postrm or similar22:03
apacheloggerNightrose: remove that file22:03
apacheloggerthen you should be good to g22:03
apacheloggero22:03
Nightroseok22:04
* apachelogger doesn't know why you are missing the user though22:04
Nightrosei see quassel is not installed22:04
Nightrosejust the core and client22:04
Nightroseis that a problem?22:04
apacheloggerdepends22:05
apacheloggerquassel is the monolothic build22:05
apachelogger-client only contains the client component22:05
apacheloggerand -core only the core component22:05
apacheloggerso the latter 2 only make sense if you have a server to run the core on22:05
Nightrosewhich i do ;-)22:06
Nightrosei'll install the quassel package and see if it does anything good22:06
apacheloggerwell22:06
apacheloggeryou only need the client22:06
apacheloggerthe core will run on the server22:06
Nightrosei know22:06
apacheloggerno need to install quassel then :P22:07
apacheloggerit's nothing but the core and client combined in one binary22:07
Nightrosehmm22:07
Nightroseapachelogger: ok i deleted that and the prerm file and it worked22:24
Nightroseafter that i tried reinstalling the core for fun and it says it still doesn't have the user22:25
Nightroseso i wonder what package should create that user22:25
Nightroseor if i should22:25
apacheloggercore should22:28
Nightrosedoesn't seem to do that here22:28
apacheloggerdoesn't make sense22:28
apacheloggerI didn't change that stuff in jaunty22:28
apacheloggerso it is exaclty what is to be found in intrepid22:28
neversfeldeapachelogger: I did a quassel 0.3.1 package with jaunty sources for intrepid, works very good so far22:46
neversfeldeshould I do some testing too?22:48
The_ManU_212hi i know here isnt a supportchannel but im a bit confudes, i have hardy installed and i use mostly adept (this kde tool), but when it ahs a problem, server not respondin i use apt-get on konsole to get more info and to install the reast. my question now is, is it ok to use both together or shouldnt i?23:28
The_ManU_212i heard that i shouldnt mix apt-get and aptitude but that was it23:29
a|wenThe_ManU_212: rather use aptitude as an alternative to adept, i would personally say; aptitude is in most cases better at calculating dependencies ... but in general it is not "harmful" mixing them23:40
The_ManU_212a|wen: how can it calculate better?23:40
a|wenThe_ManU_212: I have no idea of the inner workings :) ... but aptitude has a more advanced dependency calculator and handles very complex cases better than apt-get23:41
The_ManU_212a|wen: i also heard that aptitude uses it's own package list and that can be bad23:41
a|wenThe_ManU_212: it is only in regards to the hold an unhold commands AFAIK ... just refrain from using those23:43
a|wen(or at least adept get "confused" when using those, but it should respect the hold)23:44
The_ManU_212a|wen: so if apt-get is worse than aptitude why is it still "installed"?23:44
a|wenThe_ManU_212: it is the part of the base system as i can see; and to me it sounds sensible enough as you need a minimal package manager, and that is what apt-get is23:47
a|wenThe_ManU_212: and in fact aptitude depends on apt as it uses some of it's features ;)23:50
The_ManU_212ok a|wen thx but i didnt get that with better in calculating dependencies, every prorgam has only one lets say kind of dependcies you can't choose between python 2.4 and 2.5 so what makes it "better" in calculating, cause if it installs less packages as needed i would use aptitude23:50
a|wenThe_ManU_212: there is more to dependencies than depends; packages can provide, replace and conflict each other ... trust me, there is more than meets the eye at first23:53
The_ManU_212a|wen: ok so it would make sense to change from adept/apt-get to aptitude?23:55
a|wenThe_ManU_212: adept should pretty much match aptitude ... so it would make sense to change from adept/apt-get to adept/aptitude23:56
The_ManU_212ok thx23:56

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