[00:05] isn't testing before release over-rated ;) [00:05] * a|wen- admits that he hadn't [00:07] Riddell: when do we start using iso.qa.ubuntu.com for testing in jaunty; first beta or earlier? [00:13] first alpha i would have thought [00:13] it's still stuck on intrepid final it seems [00:20] Riddell: would we want to look over the install-cases currently avaible on the iso testing and make sure they match the cases we offer on the cd better? [00:22] 2iso testing site is hard to alter for that [00:22] it should have stuff like install in another language [00:22] stgraber is the guy to poke with suggestions [00:23] do we simply have the "same" tests as ubuntu as it is now? [00:25] hmm, seems that is not the case [00:34] * a|wen- notes down to poke stgraber one of the next days [01:24] Riddell: I did rebuild kubuntu-meta and add armel to the package right after. [01:24] ... after Alpha 1. [03:03] -- checking for module 'qca2' [03:03] -- found qca2, version 2.0.0 [03:03] -- Could NOT find QCA2 (missing: QCA2_LIBRARIES) [03:03] wtf? [03:03] -- cmake package FindWebKitKde.cmake was not found. This package needs webkitkde to be compile all program [03:03] engrish ahoy [03:04] hah [03:04] that sounds...broken [03:04] It also can't find decibel [03:04] but the package directly depends on libdecibel-dev :/ [03:05] * JontheEchidna cries [03:06] blah === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [03:06] * JontheEchidna continues to cry [03:08] brb again [03:16] oog, we need a new package to support msn in kopete now too [03:18] msn....do people use that? [03:18] :) [03:18] ha [03:24] *sigh* [03:31] I guess I just plain don't IM much. [03:33] i'm just glad that stuff like facebook has more or less taken over msn. [03:34] Yeah. [03:36] Guess I haven't done much facebook either. [03:36] * TekkieFreak doesn't have many friends. *snif* :) [03:38] Is it like an IM thing? [03:43] Okie...I just did a Wiki...kind of like Myspace I guess. [03:46] you mean kind of useless like Myspace :) [03:47] Heh, no apparently studies show it's not a waste of time. :) [03:47] It teaches useful social skills. [03:47] * TekkieFreak considers joining to learn "useful social skills" :) [03:49] haha [03:49] IRC teaches me enough social skills [03:49] or better yet, IRC teaches enuff social skillz [03:50] it doesn't do pictures, thouhg [03:50] and ZOMGPICSPLZ!!! [03:50] nixternal: still surviving gnome? [03:50] Heh, I dunno...I used to irc all the time back in the early 90's and look how I turned out. :) [03:50] Hobbsee: somewhat [03:51] haha [03:51] poor vistalover... [03:51] vista > gnome [03:51] sure? [03:51] I kind of fell in love with another wm.. wmii [03:52] I have way to much vested in KDE...it would take a ton for me to switch full time...I have been with KDE pretty much since day 1 [03:52] I find myself getting annoyed quite easily with other wm's or de's [03:52] I switched from a mac so I like kde4 [03:52] which is odd to hear [03:54] What switching from a Mac? [03:54] no, but that being the reason you liked kde4 and not gnome [03:55] to me gnome and mac osx are very similar whereas kde and windows are similar [03:55] gnome doesn't look very osx like? [03:55] i think it does [03:55] Oh...well I was never keen on the look and feel of osX actually. [03:56] If you could run a different wm on osX...I'd probably be in heaven. [03:57] Like completely remove Aqua and have kde or something complete with application menus on the application window. [04:00] Actually, my mac finally pretty much quit and I ended up just buying a Dell. [04:01] Mac hardware is soooo expensive...and my experience hasn't shown that it's *that* great. [04:01] So why pay the Apple tax? [04:05] Hrm, is anyoneworking on the bug in system settings/fglrx (the version in proposed?) [04:06] and also, does anyone know how to get the plugins for gwenview in intrepid? [04:07] gwenview works fine for me. I didn't do anything special...installed with adept. [04:07] oh, and Hi everyone :D [04:07] hi jussi [04:07] TekkieFreak: you have the plugins for it though? [04:07] Um...apparently I must. It works. [04:08] Course all I've done is look at some .jpgs with it...so maybe I don't have plugins. [04:09] TekkieFreak: yes it works, but when you go to plugins- select any one, does it have any plugins? [04:09] Oh I see..nope sorry no plugins [04:11] try this link: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+question/5017 [04:11] maybe that will help. [04:13] Well gotta run guys...see you later. [04:18] do people really enjoy this touch screen crap? [04:18] I am watching these windows 7 videos, and I have to say, "WHO CARES?!?!?!" [04:18] yay, really take my hands away from the keyboard [04:19] nixternal: touch screens are nice. Especially when they're callibrated. [04:19] not when you have hands the size of mine [04:19] that depends on hwo big the screen is [04:20] and how big the things on the screen are. [04:20] I would need a tablet with a 19" lcd :) [04:20] * Hobbsee uses a touchscreen all the time for work [04:20] I don't see how it could be any more useful than a mouse [04:20] some people can't use mice, for some reason [04:20] and you don't have to move the mouse, etc. [04:20] they shouldn't use computers then [04:20] :p [04:21] and how are you really going to use a mouse, when wandering around in the city with your tablet? [04:21] see, I wouldn't be wondering around the city with my tablet...I wonder around with my blackberry [04:22] ah [04:22] that's what we were using a tablet in Sevilla for [04:22] trying to find the location of the uni [04:22] which would have been a bit of a pain on a blackberry, I suspect. [04:22] a tablet is to big to be carrying around for use like that [04:22] not when you have gps on your blackberry [04:22] if you're carrying it around anyway? :P [04:22] I see your point though [04:23] I have friends who have tablets and they love them...I don't get it [04:23] eeepc's and such would probably find touchscreens very useful [04:23] those touchpads are tiny [04:23] shoot, those keyboard are tiny [04:23] I cannot type on an eeePC nor a Dell mini-9 [04:23] so you'd have to bump the acceleration up, which then makes it less precise. [04:23] so I will never purchase one...i like my 17" LCDs [04:23] heh [04:23] * Hobbsee wishes she coudl get a monitor that would fit on her desk [04:23] I use my laptop for work..not for sitting on my lap while I listen to some free software luser give a talk :p [04:24] s/17" LCDs/17" laptops [04:24] I love my 30" LCDs! [04:24] ouch [04:24] the idea of laptops, i thought, was that they were portable :p [04:24] dad has a 17". it's huge! [04:25] 17" is portable...fits in my chrome bag well and I don't even notice it anymore [04:25] now a big laptop with a backpack would suck...messenger bags ftw! [04:25] * Hobbsee notes most people don't do their daily weightlifting wiht laptops [04:26] hehe [04:26] but for your use cases, yes, it wouldn't be a help to you :P [04:26] yet another niche market I guess [04:26] the same market as those sillys who sit at starbucks on their macs [04:26] I just want to spill my latte on it [04:26] and them [04:27] plus, my 17" laptop, makes it impossible for others on the train to sit next to me when I have it open :p [04:27] JontheEchidna: errr...why do you need it all done for tuesday? [04:27] heh === jussi__ is now known as jussio1 === jussio1 is now known as Guest39878 === jussi__ is now known as jussio1 [06:06] Urgh. [06:06] How can libplasma3 be an rdepend of libplasma2? [06:06] Clearly that's a sign I need to go to bed. [06:07] hah. Yes, probably. [06:25] oh, I can file a bug, but might be easier for someone to just fix it now, kipi-plugins has a recommends for kooka, which doesnt exist anymore [06:26] !info skanlite [06:26] skanlite (source: skanlite): KDE 4 image scanning application. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2-kde4.1.2-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 1185 kB, installed size 1608 kB [07:14] morning people [07:39] <_Sime> ok, time for a nice bike ride in the snow to work... [07:47] Morning a|wen [07:48] was anyone in the process of packaging libmsn? [07:49] * a|wen just woke up to JontheEchidna's ramblings :) [07:57] * Hobbsee still fails to see why it needs to be done by tuesday? [08:08] it has to be done sometime soon ... but tuesday doesn't seem that possible [08:41] seems there have been some packaging fuss over libmsn on debian-mentors list ... if we're lucky we can simply start auto-syncing in a week or so [09:21] hey apachelogger [09:28] JontheEchidna, ping [10:05] JontheEchidna ping [10:25] NCommander: i think everyone's asleep. [10:26] NCommander: why haven't you uploaded any more sourceful crackports yet? [10:30] hi [10:30] who is keeping tabs on jaunty kdepim snapshots? [10:31] we do [10:32] say what the issue is and someone may be able to help (or we might just send out a salesman to make ourselves look good while not being helpful at all :) [10:32] weren't you on vacation Riddell? [10:33] LOL Riddell [10:33] no a big prob [10:33] just a few bugs I found during the weekend reported at LP and upstream [10:33] and some have already been fixed [10:33] I'm not sunning myself on a beach, my holiday consists of visiting KDE people [10:33] I wanted to know the next date of the sync [10:34] beta 1 should get uploaded this week [10:34] hope to meet you on the next Tokamak then, lol I'm co-organising it! [10:34] so until the next beta, bugs won't get fixed on jaunty? [10:34] even if available upstream? [10:36] no, it takes a week to package and upload and build KDE [10:36] and jaunty isn't exactly close to release [10:37] I know [10:37] just asking [10:37] I have one NASTY bug on my kmail [10:37] they introduced a NEW wonderful feature (message list sort filters) but if you manually add a new one, kmail will fail to start [10:54] humm [10:55] from the traceback it looks like a string error [10:55] upps [10:55] sorry wrong window [11:09] kde4.2 shall be released before jaunty, or will jaunty be the first to have it? [11:18] glade88: erm... [11:19] glade88: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule [11:22] Tm_T: ah, thanks. And naturally, intrepid will have it merged [11:22] glade88: from its own source ofcourse [11:23] oic [11:23] ppa I'm guessing [11:26] meh.. isp woes [11:26] Tm_T: ppa? not backports? === glade88_ is now known as glade88 [11:26] glade88_: perhaps that too but ppa for starters I believe [11:26] Tm_T: ah.. [11:27] don't we already have too many levels of available updates? [11:27] indeed we do [11:27] PPA -> Proposed -> updates [11:27] oh and I forgot the new bzr code [11:29] lots of people now working with branchs and trunk from there [11:57] meh(tm) [11:57] Nightrose: ETA? [11:57] apachelogger: 20 mins [11:57] oh dear [11:57] Nightrose: did you already try latest neon build? [11:58] yes [11:58] still no workie :( [11:58] I think your setup is just b0rked :P [11:58] might be but I'd like to know how :/ [11:58] any what i can do about it [11:58] *and [12:02] kdebugdialog => activate everything => get a console dump [12:03] k will do when i am finished with releasing rc 1 [12:03] just need to add the release image then i should be good to go [12:04] as a matter of fact I don't see why the current builds don't work, in theory both phonon and phonon-xine should be coming from their stable branches now [12:17] claydoh: please move the 8.10 section of the adept howto to the top === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [12:28] apachelogger: released! [12:28] jeez [12:29] hn [12:29] hm [12:29] Nightrose: you know, I packaged 1.98? [12:30] yea? [12:30] and? [12:30] you link to 94 [12:31] oO [12:31] will fix [12:31] thx [12:32] * jussio1 hugs Nightrose :D [12:32] * jussio1 waves to apachelogger === glade88_ is now known as glade88 [12:33] Nightrose: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-rc-1 [12:33] :) [12:33] * apachelogger rewaves jussio1 [12:33] apachelogger: thx [12:33] :) [13:34] jussi01: [13:34] Setting up quassel-core (0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1) ... [13:34] * The user quasselcore, required to run quasselcore does not exist. [13:34] jussi01_ too [13:43] apachelogger: ghns doesn't work here in rc1 - can you test to see if it a problem with my setup? [13:43] or can someone else test? [13:44] * JontheEchidna still needs to update [13:44] b0rked [13:45] apachelogger: ok - let me see if it works in trunk - sec [13:45] narf [13:45] same there [13:47] ok works for leinir [13:47] then it has to be some other problem [13:49] works for nhn as well [13:49] JontheEchidna: can you upgrade and try please? [13:50] bbl [13:50] new router === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [14:02] Nightrose: maybe someone patched it dead [14:02] apachelogger: who and how? [14:02] ;-) [14:02] I dunno who, but the how is explaiend by the word "patched" [14:02] :P === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:26] hello everyone. a quick question. Is it possible that the amarok-kde4 package has been built with kde 4.1.3 instead of default intrepid 4.1.2 ? [14:27] I know it's not officially into Kubuntu supported, but since it's announced on Kubuntu's web site (I get amarok-kde4: Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.3) but 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu11 is to be installed , so I suppose this is the case) [14:29] that's the amarok 2 rc package which is in kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA [14:37] Nightrose: upgrading, but it might take a while since kde-nightly is getting an update [14:37] no problem [14:37] thx [14:38] how can i get kcontrol in inteprid for kde3 apps like amarok? [14:39] heh, every time you change a setting on the router it resets itself === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [15:36] who is in charge of the kubuntu website? [15:37] jjesse: ryanakca for example [15:43] Nightrose: thanks [15:44] sure [15:48] i've had 4 error messages during install of jaunty alpah1 [15:48] is there a log file some place [15:49] on the reboot, no x or anything [15:51] think i found the erorr in the installer syslog libgpg-error0 is already the newest version [15:51] "WARNING **: Configure 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1 [15:51] apachelogger: adept wiki page fixed [15:57] Ha, my dad is still trying to get wireless to work with my mom's windoze computer [15:57] and they said knetworkmanager was borked :P [17:08] JontheEchidna: lolz [17:08] claydoh: thx [17:09] apachelogger: we gave up and are using a wired connection :P [17:09] * apachelogger only uses wireless when he's working in bed :P [17:17] I'm poking at kdesdk, it failed to build in jaunty on misc arches, but has a newer version in intrepid-proposed and intrepid-backports [17:18] First, I do wonder how that can be :) and second, diffing these two yields plenty of weird stuff [17:18] Like depends downgraded or dropped, changelog entry dropped etc. [17:19] probably a crappy merge from debian [17:20] lool: as for the version difference, we didn't bother to upgrade jaunty to 4.1.3 because we are jumping right to 4.1.80 (i.e. 4.2 beta1 [17:20] ) [17:20] apachelogger: Is there an ETA on this? [17:20] well... if JontheEchidna ever gets done with it, that would be the ETA ;-) [17:20] eh [17:21] Cause if it's not too much work to push 4.1.3 and if it doesn't FTBFS like 4.1.2, that would help :) [17:21] JontheEchidna: Hey [17:21] hi [17:21] JontheEchidna: Would you have some guesstimate of the time around which 4.1.80 would land? [17:22] hum [17:22] * apachelogger notes that it would be done earlier if lool would help ;-) [17:22] (or any kdesdk package which builds) [17:22] If it continues to be just me and apachelogger then probably a day or two [17:22] apachelogger: Well I had a look, but it's not clear to me why stuff was reverted in such ways [17:23] because the jaunty packages got merged with debian and the intrepid ones did not [17:23] for that matter if you knew what "stuff" is I might be able to make up reasons [17:23] Sorry folks, didn't want to imply that you're not doing the work fast enough; I don't care about a new upstream, I'm not even running KDE; it's just that this particular package seems to be in an odd shape and is blocking armel bootstrap [17:24] I'm regrabbing the .dsc and will push the debdiff somewhere so that we can discuss how to resolve this [17:24] * apachelogger ask the sluggish launchpad [17:25] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/kdesdk_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.debdiff [17:25] So the weirdness starts in changelog, where some Ubuntu and some Debian entries were dropped [17:25] even relatively old stuff [17:26] This is also weird: [17:26] -Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} [17:27] But then I'm not familiar with your packaging helpers, it seems there's this embedded copy of debian/scripts/dh_sameversiondeps which is changed and pokes at shlibs deps [17:28] lool: you diffed them in the wrong order [17:28] 4.1.2 from jaunty got newer packaging than 4.1.3 from intrepid [17:28] apachelogger: I did "kdesdk_4.1.2-1ubuntu4.dsc kdesdk_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.dsc" [17:28] thus you would have to diff 4.1.3 to 4.1.2 [17:28] hey apachelogger [17:28] and run a filterdiff on the debdiff :P [17:28] hola NCommander [17:28] NCommander: ready to package KDE 4.1.80? [17:29] Need any help w.r.t. to KDE packaging? [17:29] very yes^ [17:29] very^2 yes^ [17:29] Sure [17:29] Disclaimer: I'm on a fairly slow pipe [17:29] Where's the needs packaging list? [17:30] apachelogger: So is it normal to push 4.1.3 to backports when it's not in jaunty? [17:31] lool: [18:20:11] lool: as for the version difference, we didn't bother to upgrade jaunty to 4.1.3 because we are jumping right to 4.1.80 (i.e. 4.2 beta1 [17:32] apachelogger: So you're suggesting that I shouldn't look at this backport at all, discard any potential it has despite it being a new version and look at updating kdesdk to 4.1.3 from the jaunty version again, or the 4.1.80 version? [17:32] s/potential/potential packaging changes [17:34] woah JontheEchidna - stop spamming my inbox! :P [17:34] :P [17:34] bugfixes are bugfixes, what can I say? [17:34] ;-) [17:35] Hmm it seems Vcs-Svn in kdesdk points to Debian, but there's no Ubuntu branch there [17:41] Just FYI, the backport is based on intrepid and doesn't carry the intrepid-updates fix [17:43] So does anybody mind if I push 4.1.3 in jaunty with the same changes as for 4.1.2-0ubuntu1 -> 4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1? [17:49] lool: if it doesn't have any build-deps that need updating (kdelibs5 >= 4.1.3 etc) that would be fine [17:49] Riddell: it does, but i merged these changes from the intrepid backport [17:49] I basically merged the intrepid backport into jaunty [17:49] You think I should also rediff the upstream releases? [17:50] I hope nobody minds that I also drop Vcs-* in the process -- since these point at Debian === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [17:58] I've pushed kdesdk to my ppa fo rnow [17:59] diffing the upstream releases, I didn't see anything needing an update, but then I might not be looking for everything I should be looking for in KDE tarballs [18:22] So it failed to build http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19909397/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdesdk_4%3A4.1.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [18:22] same failure as on armel [18:23] I guess it's a libplasma-dev change [18:23] yeah [18:23] * lool needs to disappear for tonight [18:23] probably will have to be fixed with an 4.1.80 upgrade [18:23] Hopefully the new upstream release fixes that and I don't need to look into it :-P [18:23] hehe [18:24] Do you care that I push the merged source as to have the intrepid backport and the intermediate upstream in changelog? [18:24] it's only in my ppa so far [18:25] * lool really gone & [18:59] bug 297195 [18:59] Launchpad bug 297195 in kdebase-workspace "Gnome/KDE applications.menu collision resolution breaks searching in applications-merged dir" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297195 [19:22] amarok (1) in Jaunty fails to start: amarokapp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN3KJS9ObjectImp4markEv [19:22] Does it need a rebuild? [19:23] * apachelogger cuddles Nightrose [19:23] * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger [19:24] blueyed: possibly, it will be replaced by amarok 2 soon anyway [19:38] apachelogger: amarok fails to build on Intrepid.. [19:38] s/Intrepid/Jaunty/ [19:38] * apachelogger blames NCommander [19:38] he is the only one who fiddled with kdelibs IIRC [19:38] * NCommander blames apachelogger [19:38] then again, I can't really blame him, kdelibs is so badly patched it breaks from eving looking at it [19:39] s/eving/even [19:39] * NCommander looks at apachelogger expecting the same result :-) [19:39] * apachelogger is near ballmer peak, no time for breaking! === santiago-pgsql is now known as Guest31387 === Guest31387 is now known as santiago-ve [20:20] Hmm I couldn't find any 4.1.80 on ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/latest/src but only 4.1.71 [20:21] there's a /pub/kde/unstable/4.1.73/src too [20:21] lool: it's in a semi-secret place until release [20:22] JontheEchidna: So libplasma-dev is built by kdebase-workspace which FTBFS as well http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19848698/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.1.73-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [20:22] I wanted to grab it to check its changelog [20:22] lool: in 4.1.80 libplasma-dev is in kde4libs [20:22] Eternal fun ahead! [20:22] heh [20:24] Ah, it looks like I can't download 4.1.80, only packagers can [20:28] lool: why would you want to download it anyway? [20:31] likes punishment? [20:31] oh dear [20:31] apachelogger: As I wrote above, I wanted to check whether it at least fixed the failures, and, why not, package it [20:32] lool: get the packaging permission from JontheEchidna then I can upload the tarball for you [20:32] but I am quite confident it builds on arm [20:33] nokia deployed loads of armel based devices at last akademy [20:33] so it would be surprising if KDE trunk did not build by 100% on it by now ;-) [20:33] I am quite sure that the failure is just due to API changes since 4.1.2 [20:34] possibly [20:34] Looks like it [20:34] I can look at kdesdk right after I finish up with kdebase though :-) [20:34] Cool [20:35] in fact, I have it all ready to pbuild against our currently-packaged stack. I just need the cpu time :P [20:35] * lool leaves the computer alone for the evening then; cheers for 4.1.80 [20:35] have a good one [20:49] jjesse: excellent idea... ^seelenn^ and I are porting mdke's help.ubuntu.com/community/ theme to the Kubuntu wiki... would it be of any use to you once we've finished? [20:53] Nightrose: btw, GHNS seems to work here [20:54] JontheEchidna: hmmm strange [20:54] doesn't work here even after a reboot [20:54] are you running kde-nightly? [20:56] jep [20:56] that could be the problem [20:56] everything else in amarok works so it is kind of strange [20:57] but yea - might be [20:57] * apachelogger doesn't know how the ghns stuff works so he can't tell why this happens [21:17] anyone with hardy around? [21:28] apachelogger: on the eeepc yes [21:28] * apachelogger falls off his chair [21:28] Nightrose: mind testing quassel 0.3.1? [21:29] sure [21:30] Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/quassel_0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/quassel-data_0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb [21:31] Nightrose: just needs a basica functionallity test, if a Qt app compiles it also works ;-) [21:31] unless there are strange solar winds again and logic gets defeated by users [21:31] haha alright i will boot up the eeepc and install it [21:32] Nightrose++ [21:32] ~order a unicorn for Nightrose [21:32] * kubotu slides a unicorn down the bar to Nightrose [21:32] apachelogger: do you remember where that jazz journalist wrote about his collection? i am trying to find the post but can't [21:32] yaaaaaaaay unicorn!!!! [21:32] did I read that? [21:32] i think so [21:32] is quite old [21:33] he had the largest collection we heard of so far [21:33] there you have it... stupid alcohol [21:33] Nightrose: but where was that? [21:33] dunno [21:33] that is what i am asking you ;-) [21:33] i think forum [21:33] me too [21:33] but can't find it [21:34] well there are 3 billion topics about that kind of stuff in the forum :S [21:34] hehe yea but i am only lookign for that _one_ [21:34] ;-) [21:35] Nightrose: http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,13854.0.html [21:35] funny bugs all over the place :D [21:36]