[00:05] <a|wen-> isn't testing before release over-rated ;)
[00:05]  * a|wen- admits that he hadn't
[00:07] <a|wen-> Riddell: when do we start using iso.qa.ubuntu.com for testing in jaunty; first beta or earlier?
[00:13] <Riddell> first alpha i would have thought
[00:13] <a|wen-> it's still stuck on intrepid final it seems
[00:20] <a|wen-> Riddell: would we want to look over the install-cases currently avaible on the iso testing and make sure they match the cases we offer on the cd better?
[00:22] <Riddell> 2iso testing site is hard to alter for that
[00:22] <Riddell> it should have stuff like install in another language
[00:22] <Riddell> stgraber is the guy to poke with suggestions
[00:23] <a|wen-> do we simply have the "same" tests as ubuntu as it is now?
[00:25] <a|wen-> hmm, seems that is not the case
[00:34]  * a|wen- notes down to poke stgraber one of the next days
[01:24] <ScottK> Riddell: I did rebuild kubuntu-meta and add armel to the package right after.
[01:24] <ScottK> ... after Alpha 1.
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> -- checking for module 'qca2'
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> --   found qca2, version 2.0.0
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> -- Could NOT find QCA2  (missing:  QCA2_LIBRARIES)
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> wtf?
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> -- cmake package FindWebKitKde.cmake was not found. This package needs webkitkde to be compile all program
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> engrish ahoy
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:04] <Hobbsee> that sounds...broken
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> It also can't find decibel
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> but the package directly depends on libdecibel-dev :/
[03:05]  * JontheEchidna cries
[03:06] <jtechidna> blah
[03:06]  * JontheEchidna continues to cry
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> brb again
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> oog, we need a new package to support msn in kopete now too
[03:18] <TekkieFreak> msn....do people use that?
[03:18] <TekkieFreak> :)
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> ha
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> *sigh*
[03:31] <TekkieFreak> I guess I just plain don't IM much.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> i'm just glad that stuff like facebook has more or less taken over msn.
[03:34] <TekkieFreak> Yeah.
[03:36] <TekkieFreak> Guess I haven't done much facebook either.
[03:36]  * TekkieFreak doesn't have many friends. *snif* :)
[03:38] <TekkieFreak> Is it like an IM thing?
[03:43] <TekkieFreak> Okie...I just did a Wiki...kind of like Myspace I guess.
[03:46] <nixternal> you mean kind of useless like Myspace :)
[03:47] <TekkieFreak> Heh, no apparently studies show it's not a waste of time. :)
[03:47] <TekkieFreak> It teaches useful social skills.
[03:47]  * TekkieFreak considers joining to learn "useful social skills" :)
[03:49] <nixternal> haha
[03:49] <nixternal> IRC teaches me enough social skills
[03:49] <nixternal> or better yet, IRC teaches enuff social skillz
[03:50] <Hobbsee> it doesn't do pictures, thouhg
[03:50] <Hobbsee> and ZOMGPICSPLZ!!!
[03:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: still surviving gnome?
[03:50] <TekkieFreak> Heh, I dunno...I used to irc all the time back in the early 90's and look how I turned out. :)
[03:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: somewhat
[03:51] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:51] <Hobbsee> poor vistalover...
[03:51] <nixternal> vista > gnome
[03:51] <Hobbsee> sure?
[03:51] <nixternal> I kind of fell in love with another wm.. wmii
[03:52] <nixternal> I have way to much vested in KDE...it would take a ton for me to switch full time...I have been with KDE pretty much since day 1
[03:52] <nixternal> I find myself getting annoyed quite easily with other wm's or de's
[03:52] <TekkieFreak> I switched from a mac so I like kde4
[03:52] <nixternal> which is odd to hear
[03:54] <TekkieFreak> What switching from a Mac?
[03:54] <nixternal> no, but that being the reason you liked kde4 and not gnome
[03:55] <nixternal> to me gnome and mac osx are very similar whereas kde and windows are similar
[03:55] <Hobbsee> gnome doesn't look very osx like?
[03:55] <nixternal> i think it does
[03:55] <TekkieFreak> Oh...well I was never keen on the look and feel of osX actually.
[03:56] <TekkieFreak> If you could run a different wm on osX...I'd probably be in heaven.
[03:57] <TekkieFreak> Like completely remove Aqua and have kde or something complete with application menus on the application window.
[04:00] <TekkieFreak> Actually, my mac finally pretty much quit and I ended up just buying a Dell.
[04:01] <TekkieFreak> Mac hardware is soooo expensive...and my experience hasn't shown that it's *that* great.
[04:01] <TekkieFreak> So why pay the Apple tax?
[04:05] <jussi01> Hrm, is anyoneworking on the bug in system settings/fglrx (the version in proposed?)
[04:06] <jussi01> and also, does anyone know how to get the plugins for gwenview in intrepid?
[04:07] <TekkieFreak> gwenview works fine for me. I didn't do anything special...installed with adept.
[04:07] <jussi01> oh, and Hi everyone :D
[04:07] <TekkieFreak> hi jussi
[04:07] <jussi01> TekkieFreak: you have the plugins for it though?
[04:07] <TekkieFreak> Um...apparently I must. It works.
[04:08] <TekkieFreak> Course all I've done is look at some .jpgs with it...so maybe I don't have plugins.
[04:09] <jussi01> TekkieFreak: yes it works, but when you go to plugins- select any one, does it have any plugins?
[04:09] <TekkieFreak> Oh I see..nope sorry no plugins
[04:11] <TekkieFreak> try this link: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+question/5017
[04:11] <TekkieFreak> maybe that will help.
[04:13] <TekkieFreak> Well gotta run guys...see you later.
[04:18] <nixternal> do people really enjoy this touch screen crap?
[04:18] <nixternal> I am watching these windows 7 videos, and I have to say, "WHO CARES?!?!?!"
[04:18] <nixternal> yay, really take my hands away from the keyboard
[04:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: touch screens are nice.  Especially when they're callibrated.
[04:19] <nixternal> not when you have hands the size of mine
[04:19] <Hobbsee> that depends on hwo big the screen is
[04:20] <Hobbsee> and how big the things on the screen are.
[04:20] <nixternal> I would need a tablet with a 19" lcd :)
[04:20]  * Hobbsee uses a touchscreen all the time for work
[04:20] <nixternal> I don't see how it could be any more useful than a mouse
[04:20] <Hobbsee> some people can't use mice, for some reason
[04:20] <Hobbsee> and you don't have to move the mouse, etc.
[04:20] <nixternal> they shouldn't use computers then
[04:20] <nixternal> :p
[04:21] <Hobbsee> and how are you really going to use a mouse, when wandering around in the city with your tablet?
[04:21] <nixternal> see, I wouldn't be wondering around the city with my tablet...I wonder around with my blackberry
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:22] <Hobbsee> that's what we were using a tablet in Sevilla for
[04:22] <Hobbsee> trying to find the location of the uni
[04:22] <Hobbsee> which would have been a bit of a pain on a blackberry, I suspect.
[04:22] <nixternal> a tablet is to big to be carrying around for use like that
[04:22] <nixternal> not when you have gps on your blackberry
[04:22] <Hobbsee> if you're carrying it around anyway?  :P
[04:22] <Hobbsee> I see your point though
[04:23] <nixternal> I have friends who have tablets and they love them...I don't get it
[04:23] <Hobbsee> eeepc's and such would probably find touchscreens very useful
[04:23] <Hobbsee> those touchpads are tiny
[04:23] <nixternal> shoot, those keyboard are tiny
[04:23] <nixternal> I cannot type on an eeePC nor a Dell mini-9
[04:23] <Hobbsee> so you'd have to bump the acceleration up, which then makes it less precise.
[04:23] <nixternal> so I will never purchase one...i like my 17" LCDs
[04:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:23]  * Hobbsee wishes she coudl get a monitor that would fit on her desk
[04:23] <nixternal> I use my laptop for work..not for sitting on my lap while I listen to some free software luser give a talk :p
[04:24] <nixternal> s/17" LCDs/17" laptops
[04:24] <nixternal> I love my 30" LCDs!
[04:24] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:24] <Hobbsee> the idea of laptops, i thought, was that they were portable :p
[04:24] <Hobbsee> dad has a 17". it's huge!
[04:25] <nixternal> 17" is portable...fits in my chrome bag well and I don't even notice it anymore
[04:25] <nixternal> now a big laptop with a backpack would suck...messenger bags ftw!
[04:25]  * Hobbsee notes most people don't do their daily weightlifting wiht laptops
[04:26] <nixternal> hehe
[04:26] <Hobbsee> but for your use cases, yes, it wouldn't be a help to you :P
[04:26] <nixternal> yet another niche market I guess
[04:26] <nixternal> the same market as those sillys who sit at starbucks on their macs
[04:26] <nixternal> I just want to spill my latte on it
[04:26] <nixternal> and them
[04:27] <nixternal> plus, my 17" laptop, makes it impossible for others on the train to sit next to me when I have it open :p
[04:27] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: errr...why do you need it all done for tuesday?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:06] <ScottK> Urgh.
[06:06] <ScottK> How can libplasma3 be an rdepend of libplasma2?
[06:06] <ScottK> Clearly that's a sign I need to go to bed.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> hah.  Yes, probably.
[06:25] <jussio1> oh, I can file a bug, but might be easier for someone to just fix it now, kipi-plugins has a recommends for kooka, which doesnt exist anymore
[06:26] <jussio1> !info skanlite
[07:14] <a|wen> morning people
[07:39] <_Sime> ok, time for a nice bike ride in the snow to work...
[07:47] <jussio1> Morning a|wen
[07:48] <a|wen> was anyone in the process of packaging libmsn?
[07:49]  * a|wen just woke up to JontheEchidna's ramblings :)
[07:57]  * Hobbsee still fails to see why it needs to be done by tuesday?
[08:08] <a|wen> it has to be done sometime soon ... but tuesday doesn't seem that possible
[08:41] <a|wen> seems there have been some packaging fuss over libmsn on debian-mentors list ... if we're lucky we can simply start auto-syncing in a week or so
[09:21] <NCommander> hey apachelogger
[09:28] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, ping
[10:05] <NCommander>  JontheEchidna ping
[10:25] <Hobbsee> NCommander: i think everyone's asleep.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> NCommander: why haven't you uploaded any more sourceful crackports yet?
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> hi
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> who is keeping tabs on jaunty kdepim snapshots?
[10:31] <Riddell> we do
[10:32] <Riddell> say what the issue is and someone may be able to help (or we might just send out a salesman to make ourselves look good while not being helpful at all :)
[10:32] <BUGabundo_work> weren't you on vacation Riddell?
[10:33] <BUGabundo_work> LOL Riddell
[10:33] <BUGabundo_work> no a big prob
[10:33] <BUGabundo_work> just a few bugs I found during the weekend reported at LP and upstream
[10:33] <BUGabundo_work> and some have already been fixed
[10:33] <Riddell> I'm not sunning myself on a beach, my holiday consists of visiting KDE people
[10:33] <BUGabundo_work> I wanted to know the next date of the sync
[10:34] <Riddell> beta 1 should get uploaded this week
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> hope to meet you on the next Tokamak then, lol I'm co-organising it!
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> so until the next beta, bugs won't get fixed on jaunty?
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> even if available upstream?
[10:36] <Riddell> no, it takes a week to package and upload and build KDE
[10:36] <Riddell> and jaunty isn't exactly close to release
[10:37] <BUGabundo_work> I know
[10:37] <BUGabundo_work> just asking
[10:37] <BUGabundo_work> I have one NASTY bug on my kmail
[10:37] <BUGabundo_work> they introduced a NEW wonderful feature (message list sort filters) but if you manually add a new one, kmail will fail to start
[10:54] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[10:55] <BUGabundo_work> from the traceback it looks like a string error
[10:55] <BUGabundo_work> upps
[10:55] <BUGabundo_work> sorry wrong window
[11:09] <glade88> kde4.2 shall be released before jaunty, or will jaunty be the first to have it?
[11:18] <Tm_T> glade88: erm...
[11:19] <Tm_T> glade88: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule
[11:22] <glade88> Tm_T: ah, thanks. And naturally, intrepid will have it merged
[11:22] <Tm_T> glade88: from its own source ofcourse
[11:23] <glade88> oic
[11:23] <Tm_T> ppa I'm guessing
[11:26] <glade88_> meh.. isp woes
[11:26] <glade88_> Tm_T: ppa? not backports?
[11:26] <Tm_T> glade88_: perhaps that too but ppa for starters I believe
[11:26] <glade88> Tm_T: ah..
[11:27] <BUGabundo_work> don't we already have too many levels of available updates?
[11:27] <Tm_T> indeed we do
[11:27] <BUGabundo_work> PPA -> Proposed -> updates
[11:27] <BUGabundo_work> oh and I forgot the new bzr code
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> lots of people now working with branchs and trunk from there
[11:57] <apachelogger> meh(tm)
[11:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ETA?
[11:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger: 20 mins
[11:57] <apachelogger> oh dear
[11:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you already try latest neon build?
[11:58] <Nightrose> yes
[11:58] <Nightrose> still no workie :(
[11:58] <apachelogger> I think your setup is just b0rked :P
[11:58] <Nightrose> might be but I'd like to know how :/
[11:58] <Nightrose> any what i can do about it
[11:58] <Nightrose> *and
[12:02] <apachelogger> kdebugdialog => activate everything => get a console dump
[12:03] <Nightrose> k will do when i am finished with releasing rc 1
[12:03] <Nightrose> just need to add the release image then i should be good to go
[12:04] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact I don't see why the current builds don't work, in theory both phonon and phonon-xine should be coming from their stable branches now
[12:17] <apachelogger> claydoh: please move the 8.10 section of the adept howto to the top
[12:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: released!
[12:28] <apachelogger> jeez
[12:29] <apachelogger> hn
[12:29] <apachelogger> hm
[12:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you know, I packaged 1.98?
[12:30] <Nightrose> yea?
[12:30] <Nightrose> and?
[12:30] <apachelogger> you link to 94
[12:31] <Nightrose> oO
[12:31] <Nightrose> will fix
[12:31] <Nightrose> thx
[12:32]  * jussio1 hugs Nightrose :D
[12:32]  * jussio1 waves to apachelogger
[12:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-rc-1
[12:33] <Nightrose> :)
[12:33]  * apachelogger rewaves jussio1
[12:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: thx
[12:33] <Nightrose> :)
[13:34] <Nightrose> jussi01:
[13:34] <Nightrose> Setting up quassel-core (0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1) ...
[13:34] <Nightrose>  * The user quasselcore, required to run quasselcore does not exist.
[13:34] <Nightrose> jussi01_ too
[13:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ghns doesn't work here in rc1 - can you test to see if it a problem with my setup?
[13:43] <Nightrose> or can someone else test?
[13:44]  * JontheEchidna still needs to update
[13:44] <apachelogger> b0rked
[13:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok - let me see if it works in trunk - sec
[13:45] <Nightrose> narf
[13:45] <Nightrose> same there
[13:47] <Nightrose> ok works for leinir
[13:47] <Nightrose> then it has to be some other problem
[13:49] <Nightrose> works for nhn as well
[13:49] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: can you upgrade and try please?
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> new router
[14:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe someone patched it dead
[14:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: who and how?
[14:02] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:02] <apachelogger> I dunno who, but the how is explaiend by the word "patched"
[14:02] <Nightrose> :P
[14:26] <benoitstandre> hello everyone. a quick question. Is it possible that the amarok-kde4 package has been built with kde 4.1.3 instead of default intrepid 4.1.2 ?
[14:27] <benoitstandre> I know it's not officially into Kubuntu supported, but since it's announced on Kubuntu's web site (I get amarok-kde4: Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.3) but 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu11 is to be installed , so I suppose this is the case)
[14:29] <benoitstandre> that's the amarok 2 rc package which is in kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA
[14:37] <jtechidna> Nightrose: upgrading, but it might take a while since kde-nightly is getting an update
[14:37] <Nightrose> no problem
[14:37] <Nightrose> thx
[14:38] <linux_user400354> how can i get kcontrol in inteprid for kde3 apps like amarok?
[14:39] <echidnaman> heh, every time you change a setting on the router it resets itself
[15:36] <jjesse> who is in charge of the kubuntu website?
[15:37] <Nightrose> jjesse: ryanakca for example
[15:43] <jjesse> Nightrose: thanks
[15:44] <Nightrose> sure
[15:48] <jjesse> i've had 4 error messages during install of jaunty alpah1
[15:48] <jjesse> is there a log file some place
[15:49] <jjesse> on the reboot, no x or anything
[15:51] <jjesse> think i found the erorr in the installer syslog libgpg-error0 is already the newest version
[15:51] <jjesse> "WARNING **: Configure 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1
[15:51] <claydoh> apachelogger: adept wiki page fixed
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> Ha, my dad is still trying to get wireless to work with my mom's windoze computer
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> and they said knetworkmanager was borked :P
[17:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lolz
[17:08] <apachelogger> claydoh: thx
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we gave up and are using a wired connection :P
[17:09]  * apachelogger only uses wireless when he's working in bed :P
[17:17] <lool> I'm poking at kdesdk, it failed to build in jaunty on misc arches, but has a newer version in intrepid-proposed and intrepid-backports
[17:18] <lool> First, I do wonder how that can be :)  and second, diffing these two yields plenty of weird stuff
[17:18] <lool> Like depends downgraded or dropped, changelog entry dropped etc.
[17:19] <apachelogger> probably a crappy merge from debian
[17:20] <apachelogger> lool: as for the version difference, we didn't bother to upgrade jaunty to 4.1.3 because we are jumping right to 4.1.80 (i.e. 4.2 beta1
[17:20] <apachelogger> )
[17:20] <lool> apachelogger: Is there an ETA on this?
[17:20] <apachelogger> well... if JontheEchidna ever gets done with it, that would be the ETA ;-)
[17:20] <lool> eh
[17:21] <lool> Cause if it's not too much work to push 4.1.3 and if it doesn't FTBFS like 4.1.2, that would help :)
[17:21] <lool> JontheEchidna: Hey
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> hi
[17:21] <lool> JontheEchidna: Would you have some guesstimate of the time around which 4.1.80 would land?
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> hum
[17:22]  * apachelogger notes that it would be done earlier if lool would help ;-)
[17:22] <lool> (or any kdesdk package which builds)
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> If it continues to be just me and apachelogger then probably a day or two
[17:22] <lool> apachelogger: Well I had a look, but it's not clear to me why stuff was reverted in such ways
[17:23] <apachelogger> because the jaunty packages got merged with debian and the intrepid ones did not
[17:23] <apachelogger> for that matter if you knew what "stuff" is I might be able to make up reasons
[17:23] <lool> Sorry folks, didn't want to imply that you're not doing the work fast enough; I don't care about a new upstream, I'm not even running KDE; it's just that this particular package seems to be in an odd shape and is blocking armel bootstrap
[17:24] <lool> I'm regrabbing the .dsc and will push the debdiff somewhere so that we can discuss how to resolve this
[17:24]  * apachelogger ask the sluggish launchpad
[17:25] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/kdesdk_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.debdiff
[17:25] <lool> So the weirdness starts in changelog, where some Ubuntu and some Debian entries were dropped
[17:25] <lool> even relatively old stuff
[17:26] <lool> This is also weird:
[17:26] <lool> -Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
[17:27] <lool> But then I'm not familiar with your packaging helpers, it seems there's this embedded copy of debian/scripts/dh_sameversiondeps which is changed and pokes at shlibs deps
[17:28] <apachelogger> lool: you diffed them in the wrong order
[17:28] <apachelogger> 4.1.2 from jaunty got newer packaging than 4.1.3 from intrepid
[17:28] <lool> apachelogger: I did "kdesdk_4.1.2-1ubuntu4.dsc kdesdk_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.dsc"
[17:28] <apachelogger> thus you would have to diff 4.1.3 to 4.1.2
[17:28] <NCommander> hey apachelogger
[17:28] <apachelogger> and run a filterdiff on the debdiff :P
[17:28] <apachelogger> hola NCommander
[17:28] <apachelogger> NCommander: ready to package KDE 4.1.80?
[17:29] <NCommander> Need any help w.r.t. to KDE packaging?
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> very yes^
[17:29] <apachelogger> very^2 yes^
[17:29] <NCommander> Sure
[17:29] <NCommander> Disclaimer: I'm on a fairly slow pipe
[17:29] <NCommander> Where's the needs packaging list?
[17:30] <lool> apachelogger: So is it normal to push 4.1.3 to backports when it's not in jaunty?
[17:31] <apachelogger> lool: [18:20:11] <apachelogger> lool: as for the version difference, we didn't bother to upgrade jaunty to 4.1.3 because we are jumping right to 4.1.80 (i.e. 4.2 beta1
[17:32] <lool> apachelogger: So you're suggesting that I shouldn't look at this backport at all, discard any potential it has despite it being a new version and look at updating kdesdk to 4.1.3 from the jaunty version again, or the 4.1.80 version?
[17:32] <lool> s/potential/potential packaging changes
[17:34] <Nightrose> woah JontheEchidna - stop spamming my inbox! :P
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> bugfixes are bugfixes, what can I say?
[17:34] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:35] <lool> Hmm it seems Vcs-Svn in kdesdk points to Debian, but there's no Ubuntu branch there
[17:41] <lool> Just FYI, the backport is based on intrepid and doesn't carry the intrepid-updates fix
[17:43] <lool> So does anybody mind if I push 4.1.3 in jaunty with the same changes as for 4.1.2-0ubuntu1 -> 4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1?
[17:49] <Riddell> lool: if it doesn't have any build-deps that need updating (kdelibs5 >= 4.1.3 etc) that would be fine
[17:49] <lool> Riddell: it does, but i merged these changes from the intrepid backport
[17:49] <lool> I basically merged the intrepid backport into jaunty
[17:49] <lool> You think I should also rediff the upstream releases?
[17:50] <lool> I hope nobody minds that I also drop Vcs-* in the process -- since these point at Debian
[17:58] <lool> I've pushed kdesdk to my ppa fo rnow
[17:59] <lool> diffing the upstream releases, I didn't see anything needing an update, but then I might not be looking for everything I should be looking for in KDE tarballs
[18:22] <lool> So it failed to build http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19909397/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdesdk_4%3A4.1.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:22] <lool> same failure as on armel
[18:23] <lool> I guess it's a libplasma-dev change
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:23]  * lool needs to disappear for tonight
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> probably will have to be fixed with an 4.1.80 upgrade
[18:23] <lool> Hopefully the new upstream release fixes that and I don't need to look into it :-P
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[18:24] <lool> Do you care that I push the merged source as to have the intrepid backport and the intermediate upstream in changelog?
[18:24] <lool> it's only in my ppa so far
[18:25]  * lool really gone &
[18:59] <apachelogger> bug 297195
[19:22] <blueyed> amarok (1) in Jaunty fails to start: amarokapp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN3KJS9ObjectImp4markEv
[19:22] <blueyed> Does it need a rebuild?
[19:23]  * apachelogger cuddles Nightrose
[19:23]  * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger
[19:24] <apachelogger> blueyed: possibly, it will be replaced by amarok 2 soon anyway
[19:38] <blueyed> apachelogger: amarok fails to build on Intrepid..
[19:38] <blueyed> s/Intrepid/Jaunty/
[19:38]  * apachelogger blames NCommander
[19:38] <apachelogger> he is the only one who fiddled with kdelibs IIRC
[19:38]  * NCommander blames apachelogger 
[19:38] <apachelogger> then again, I can't really blame him, kdelibs is so badly patched it breaks from eving looking at it
[19:39] <apachelogger> s/eving/even
[19:39]  * NCommander looks at apachelogger expecting the same result :-)
[19:39]  * apachelogger is near ballmer peak, no time for breaking!
[20:20] <lool> Hmm I couldn't find any 4.1.80 on ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/latest/src but only 4.1.71
[20:21] <lool> there's a /pub/kde/unstable/4.1.73/src too
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> lool: it's in a semi-secret place until release
[20:22] <lool> JontheEchidna: So libplasma-dev is built by kdebase-workspace which FTBFS as well http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19848698/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.1.73-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:22] <lool> I wanted to grab it to check its changelog
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> lool: in 4.1.80 libplasma-dev is in kde4libs
[20:22] <lool> Eternal fun ahead!
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:24] <lool> Ah, it looks like I can't download 4.1.80, only packagers can
[20:28] <apachelogger> lool: why would you want to download it anyway?
[20:31] <jjesse> likes punishment?
[20:31] <apachelogger> oh dear
[20:31] <lool> apachelogger: As I wrote above, I wanted to check whether it at least fixed the failures, and, why not, package it
[20:32] <apachelogger> lool: get the packaging permission from JontheEchidna then I can upload the tarball for you
[20:32] <apachelogger> but I am quite confident it builds on arm
[20:33] <apachelogger> nokia deployed loads of armel based devices at last akademy
[20:33] <apachelogger> so it would be surprising if KDE trunk did not build by 100% on it by now ;-)
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> I am quite sure that the failure is just due to API changes since 4.1.2
[20:34] <apachelogger> possibly
[20:34] <lool> Looks like it
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> I can look at kdesdk right after I finish up with kdebase though :-)
[20:34] <lool> Cool
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> in fact, I have it all ready to pbuild against our currently-packaged stack. I just need the cpu time :P
[20:35]  * lool leaves the computer alone for the evening then; cheers for 4.1.80
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> have a good one
[20:49] <ryanakca> jjesse: excellent idea... ^seelenn^ and I are porting mdke's help.ubuntu.com/community/ theme to the Kubuntu wiki... would it be of any use to you once we've finished?
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: btw, GHNS seems to work here
[20:54] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: hmmm strange
[20:54] <Nightrose> doesn't work here even after a reboot
[20:54] <apachelogger> are you running kde-nightly?
[20:56] <Nightrose> jep
[20:56] <apachelogger> that could be the problem
[20:56] <Nightrose> everything else in amarok works so it is kind of strange
[20:57] <Nightrose> but yea - might be
[20:57]  * apachelogger doesn't know how the ghns stuff works so he can't tell why this happens
[21:17] <apachelogger> anyone with hardy around?
[21:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: on the eeepc yes
[21:28]  * apachelogger falls off his chair
[21:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: mind testing quassel 0.3.1?
[21:29] <Nightrose> sure
[21:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/quassel_0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/quassel-data_0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb
[21:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just needs a basica functionallity test, if a Qt app compiles it also works ;-)
[21:31] <apachelogger> unless there are strange solar winds again and logic gets defeated by users
[21:31] <Nightrose> haha alright i will boot up the eeepc and install it
[21:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose++
[21:32] <apachelogger> ~order a unicorn for Nightrose
[21:32]  * kubotu slides a unicorn down the bar to Nightrose
[21:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: do you remember where that jazz journalist wrote about his collection? i am trying to find the post but can't
[21:32] <Nightrose> yaaaaaaaay unicorn!!!!
[21:32] <apachelogger> did I read that?
[21:32] <Nightrose> i think so
[21:32] <Nightrose> is quite old
[21:33] <Nightrose> he had the largest collection we heard of so far
[21:33] <apachelogger> there you have it... stupid alcohol
[21:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: but where was that?
[21:33] <Nightrose> dunno
[21:33] <Nightrose> that is what i am asking you ;-)
[21:33] <Nightrose> i think forum
[21:33] <apachelogger> me too
[21:33] <Nightrose> but can't find it
[21:34] <apachelogger> well there are 3 billion topics about that kind of stuff in the forum :S
[21:34] <Nightrose> hehe yea but i am only lookign for that _one_
[21:34] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,13854.0.html
[21:35] <apachelogger> funny bugs all over the place :D
[21:36] <Nightrose> meh
[21:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how abou that http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,14445.msg19792.html#msg19792
[21:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger!!!!
[21:38] <Nightrose> you are the bestest
[21:39] <apachelogger> :)
[21:39]  * apachelogger rides towards the sunset on his unicorn
[21:44] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:44] <Nightrose> downloading quassel packages now
[21:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: libqt4-sql-sqllite is not installed
[21:47] <Nightrose> should i install and try again?
[21:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: please
[21:47] <Nightrose> k
[21:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: looks good
[21:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: but on intrepid i get an error about the quassel user
[21:53] <apachelogger> from my packages?
[21:54] <Nightrose> dunno who's packages those are
[21:54] <Nightrose> came by adept
[21:54] <apachelogger> apt-cache policy quassel
[21:54] <Nightrose> k
[21:55] <Nightrose>   Installed: (none)
[21:55] <Nightrose>   Candidate: 0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[21:55] <Nightrose>   Version table:
[21:55] <Nightrose>      0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 0
[21:55] <Nightrose>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Packages
[21:55] <Nightrose>      0.3.0-0ubuntu9 0
[21:55] <Nightrose>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Packages
[21:55] <Nightrose> sorry
[21:55] <apachelogger> hm
[21:55] <apachelogger> seems to be from me
[21:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what is the error?
[21:55] <Nightrose> sec
[21:55]  * apachelogger notes that it worked just fine here :(
[21:55] <Nightrose> Setting up quassel-core (0.3.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1) ...
[21:55] <Nightrose>  * The user quasselcore, required to run quasselcore does not exist.
[21:55] <Nightrose> invoke-rc.d: initscript quasselcore, action "start" failed.
[21:55] <apachelogger> must be those solar winds again...
[21:56] <Nightrose> i don't even need a core here
[21:56] <Nightrose> hmmm
[21:56] <apachelogger> well, don't install the code then :P
[21:56] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get purge quassel-core
[21:56] <Nightrose> :P
[21:56] <Nightrose> dunno why it was installed
[21:56] <Nightrose> but yea will do
[21:57] <apachelogger> hm
[21:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger: doesn't work for the same reason :P
[21:58] <apachelogger> funnies
[21:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just use remove instead of purge
[21:58]  * apachelogger is wondering where that error is coming from though
[21:59] <Nightrose> ok
[21:59] <Nightrose> narf!
[21:59] <Nightrose> doesn't work either
[22:00]  * Nightrose kicks it in the back
[22:00] <apachelogger> hm
[22:00] <apachelogger> sudo dpgk -r quassel-core
[22:00] <apachelogger> *dpkg even
[22:00] <Nightrose> k
[22:01] <Nightrose> no dice
[22:01] <Nightrose> still the same
[22:01] <apachelogger> what did you do to that package? :P
[22:01] <Nightrose> hehe nothing!
[22:02] <apachelogger> there was no report about anything like that ever
[22:02] <apachelogger> letz do the quickndirty solution
[22:02] <Nightrose> well that is 2 days old or so
[22:02] <Nightrose> maybe 1
[22:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ there should be a file called quassel-core.postrm or similar
[22:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: remove that file
[22:03] <apachelogger> then you should be good to g
[22:03] <apachelogger> o
[22:04] <Nightrose> ok
[22:04]  * apachelogger doesn't know why you are missing the user though
[22:04] <Nightrose> i see quassel is not installed
[22:04] <Nightrose> just the core and client
[22:04] <Nightrose> is that a problem?
[22:05] <apachelogger> depends
[22:05] <apachelogger> quassel is the monolothic build
[22:05] <apachelogger> -client only contains the client component
[22:05] <apachelogger> and -core only the core component
[22:05] <apachelogger> so the latter 2 only make sense if you have a server to run the core on
[22:06] <Nightrose> which i do ;-)
[22:06] <Nightrose> i'll install the quassel package and see if it does anything good
[22:06] <apachelogger> well
[22:06] <apachelogger> you only need the client
[22:06] <apachelogger> the core will run on the server
[22:06] <Nightrose> i know
[22:07] <apachelogger> no need to install quassel then :P
[22:07] <apachelogger> it's nothing but the core and client combined in one binary
[22:07] <Nightrose> hmm
[22:24] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok i deleted that and the prerm file and it worked
[22:25] <Nightrose> after that i tried reinstalling the core for fun and it says it still doesn't have the user
[22:25] <Nightrose> so i wonder what package should create that user
[22:25] <Nightrose> or if i should
[22:28] <apachelogger> core should
[22:28] <Nightrose> doesn't seem to do that here
[22:28] <apachelogger> doesn't make sense
[22:28] <apachelogger> I didn't change that stuff in jaunty
[22:28] <apachelogger> so it is exaclty what is to be found in intrepid
[22:46] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I did a quassel 0.3.1 package with jaunty sources for intrepid, works very good so far
[22:48] <neversfelde> should I do some testing too?
[23:28] <The_ManU_212> hi i know here isnt a supportchannel but im a bit confudes, i have hardy installed and i use mostly adept (this kde tool), but when it ahs a problem, server not respondin i use apt-get on konsole to get more info and to install the reast. my question now is, is it ok to use both together or shouldnt i?
[23:29] <The_ManU_212> i heard that i shouldnt mix apt-get and aptitude but that was it
[23:40] <a|wen> The_ManU_212: rather use aptitude as an alternative to adept, i would personally say; aptitude is in most cases better at calculating dependencies ... but in general it is not "harmful" mixing them
[23:40] <The_ManU_212> a|wen: how can it calculate better?
[23:41] <a|wen> The_ManU_212: I have no idea of the inner workings :) ... but aptitude has a more advanced dependency calculator and handles very complex cases better than apt-get
[23:41] <The_ManU_212> a|wen: i also heard that aptitude uses it's own package list and that can be bad
[23:43] <a|wen> The_ManU_212: it is only in regards to the hold an unhold commands AFAIK ... just refrain from using those
[23:44] <a|wen> (or at least adept get "confused" when using those, but it should respect the hold)
[23:44] <The_ManU_212> a|wen: so if apt-get is worse than aptitude why is it still "installed"?
[23:47] <a|wen> The_ManU_212: it is the part of the base system as i can see; and to me it sounds sensible enough as you need a minimal package manager, and that is what apt-get is
[23:50] <a|wen> The_ManU_212: and in fact aptitude depends on apt as it uses some of it's features ;)
[23:50] <The_ManU_212> ok a|wen thx but i didnt get that with better in calculating dependencies, every prorgam has only one lets say kind of dependcies you can't choose between python 2.4 and 2.5 so what makes it "better" in calculating, cause if it installs less packages as needed i would use aptitude
[23:53] <a|wen> The_ManU_212: there is more to dependencies than depends; packages can provide, replace and conflict each other ... trust me, there is more than meets the eye at first
[23:55] <The_ManU_212> a|wen: ok so it would make sense to change from adept/apt-get to aptitude?
[23:56] <a|wen> The_ManU_212: adept should pretty much match aptitude ... so it would make sense to change from adept/apt-get to adept/aptitude
[23:56] <The_ManU_212> ok thx