[02:06] <tyche> beuno: Do you have admin privelages on the Fridge?  UWN #118 is waiting for approval.
[06:25] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: morning, are you there?
[06:44] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: hello
[06:46] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: can we come up with a better title for your release parties story?
[06:46] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: absolutely
[06:47] <boredandblogging> and probably the first couple of sentences on the post
[06:48] <boredandblogging> maybe something more upbeat?
[06:48] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: yes, I was thinking the same thing
[06:48] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I was bothering you more for full html at this stage :)
[06:49] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: done
[06:49] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I'm struggling a bit with what spin I should give it thoug. any ideas?
[06:49] <highvoltage> (title suggestion would already be cool)
[06:50] <boredandblogging> "New and Growing LoCos"
[06:50] <boredandblogging> ?
[06:50] <boredandblogging> for title
[06:51] <highvoltage> ok, that would work. people might think that that implies that both are new, even though the iranian team is about 2 years old
[06:51]  * highvoltage changes
[06:52] <boredandblogging> maybe talk about -zw first, then Iran?
[06:52] <highvoltage> ok
[06:53] <boredandblogging> how about "With Ubuntu 8.10 out the door, LoCos all over the world have been celebrating the release. Earlier this month..."
[06:53] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I clicked on "preview" and it says "Access Denied"
[06:54] <boredandblogging> can you submit?
[06:54] <highvoltage> I have to preview first before submite, I think
[06:54] <highvoltage> trying again..
[06:54] <highvoltage> no there's just a preview and delete button
[06:54] <boredandblogging> hold on
[06:55] <boredandblogging> i switched it back to filtered html, try now
[06:55] <boredandblogging> thats a bug
[06:55] <boredandblogging> I'll email Rinchen about it
[06:55] <boredandblogging> think we had the same issue last time, right?
[06:56] <highvoltage> "This content has been modified by another user, changes cannot be saved."
[06:57] <highvoltage> I think we had a similar issue last time, although last time you fixed it quite quickly
[06:57] <boredandblogging> gah
[06:57] <boredandblogging> ok
[06:59] <boredandblogging> let me make the changes real quick
[06:59] <highvoltage> ok, can I post my version for you somewhere?
[06:59] <highvoltage> here it is, fwiw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/76286/
[07:02] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: take a look now
[07:03] <highvoltage> oops, that second zim photo is the wrong one- it's too big
[07:03] <boredandblogging> got a link to the right size?
[07:04] <highvoltage> ok my edit button for that post is gon entirely, I'll just upload the right size pic quickly
[07:04] <boredandblogging> ok
[07:05] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/temp/ubuntu-zw-braai.jpg
[07:05] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: can you put a space between the two images for each post too?
[07:09] <boredandblogging> let me upload the pic
[07:10] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: look now
[07:11] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: that looks about right
[07:11] <highvoltage> I wish I had better writing skills though :(
[07:11] <highvoltage> at least that gets the message across.
[07:11] <boredandblogging> gonna do a bit of editing
[07:11] <highvoltage> ok thanks a lot
[07:20] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: take one last look before I publish
[07:24] <highvoltage> ok
[07:26] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: it looks ok!
[07:27] <boredandblogging> excellent, posted
[07:27] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: good job
[07:27] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[07:27] <highvoltage> my writing should improve over time. it's one of the reasons I started blogging and doign stuff like this. your guidance is much appreciated!
[07:28] <highvoltage> I just wish there was more freaky stuff to write about :)
[07:28] <boredandblogging> lol
[07:29] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: have you seen the posts on the -devel lists about getting more devel news on the fridge?
[07:29] <boredandblogging> yes...
[07:30] <highvoltage> I'm all for it, but I strongly feel that it should be worded in such a way that someone who isn't an active ubuntu developer can easily understand it.
[07:30] <highvoltage> there's lots of ubuntu-specific acronyms, and it would be a shame if a debian developer, for example, would even have trouble following it
[07:31] <boredandblogging> yeah, posting something the debian developer news would be unhelpful
[07:31] <highvoltage> so I think there should at the very least be links to wiki pages from the abbreviations and terms that are used
[07:31] <boredandblogging> svaksha actually posted to the -news-team list about it
[07:31] <boredandblogging> and I had replied to that
[07:31] <highvoltage> if the news entries become too specific and if only a few people can understand it, then the fridge loses its "news for human beings" value
[07:32] <boredandblogging> agreed
[07:32] <highvoltage> ok cool, I tried to subscribe to the -news-team but it doesn't seem like it was successful
[07:32]  * highvoltage tries again
[07:32] <svaksha> boredandblogging: only one relpy *sigh* is that a sign ? that people dont want it?
[07:33] <boredandblogging> svaksha: unfortunately I think people don't care
[07:33]  * svaksha likes dev-related stuff but thinks people like generic stuff
[07:33]  * svaksha nods
[07:33] <highvoltage> what do you mean don't want it?
[07:33] <boredandblogging> my main worry is that if they can't dumb it down a bit, readers will just ignore it and move on
[07:34] <highvoltage> *nod*
[07:34] <svaksha> highvoltage: i meant they dont seek technical details
[07:34] <highvoltage> it would have to be scaled down to generic terms and explanations otherwise it would be a waste
[07:34] <svaksha> highvoltage: yes
[07:34] <highvoltage> svaksha: ah
[07:34] <boredandblogging> but it still can posted on the fridge under a different category, so it doesn't show up in the front page, but developers can see it under fridge.ubuntu.com/developers or something similar
[07:35] <highvoltage> but I do believe that technical fridge news would be useful and that users will find value in it if it's clear and readable
[07:35] <boredandblogging> we could add a link to the sidebar to developer specific news on the fridge
[07:35] <highvoltage> can we also have the people who post the newsletters to the fridge use <li>'s for the list entries?
[07:36] <highvoltage> it looks a bit awkward when it's just copied and pasted from the text files
[07:36] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: we usually try to, sometimes it gets missed
[07:36] <highvoltage> ah ok
[07:36] <highvoltage> I don't think I've seen it with the newsletters yet
[07:37] <svaksha> what if we kept it as a seperate feed ?
[07:37] <boredandblogging> svaksha: I would honestly like to funnel down the news outlets for Ubuntu...I really don't want to see another blog
[07:37] <boredandblogging> svaksha: yes, each category automatically gets its own feed
[07:37] <svaksha> boredandblogging: isnt it being aggregated on the p.u.c ?
[07:37] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I think you're right there. fewer blogs, etc is better
[07:37] <highvoltage> svaksha: many people don't read p.u.c to avoid politics and memes and stuff
[07:38] <highvoltage> svaksha: but those same people would often be subscribed to the Fridge
[07:38] <boredandblogging> svaksha: for example, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/uwn/feed
[07:38] <highvoltage> (basing that on people I know, not on official stats or anything)
[07:38] <svaksha> highvoltage: :( then what is the point of having p.u.c ? anyway ....
[07:38]  * svaksha returns to the discussion
[07:39] <boredandblogging> the planet is fine, but it should not be the official place to announce things like it is now
[07:39] <svaksha> boredandblogging: amen
[07:39] <svaksha> boredandblogging: that also gets people worked up if they see nything non-techy
[07:39] <boredandblogging> i belive laserjock had tried to bring up that point before, but it got ignored
[07:39] <svaksha> s/nything/anything
[07:40] <highvoltage> svaksha: well, the planet is where you stay up to date with the community and members. the fridge is where you get more official community and development news with less focus on people's non-ubuntu personal stuff
[07:40]  * svaksha thinks p.u.c should be about people and everything in their lives
[07:40] <highvoltage> (ot that's how I understand it, at least)
[07:40] <svaksha> highvoltage: amen
[07:41] <svaksha> i'd love to see deeper news on technical aspects on the fridge but its not just our call to take
[07:41] <highvoltage> at least the weekly newsletters get reasonable technical coverage, and they are linked from the fridge
[07:41] <svaksha> it needs community approval too
[07:41] <highvoltage> so I don't think the technical side has been neglected all that much really
[07:43] <boredandblogging> svaksha: if there was someone to write it, there would be no problem posting it
[07:44] <boredandblogging> there are plans for posting team reports to the fridge
[07:44] <boredandblogging> so the fridge can provide a better view of the community
[07:44] <svaksha> boredandblogging: are the ubuntu dev's game for it...i assume that is why they suggested thatin the first place
[07:45] <boredandblogging> most of the support seems to be keeping it on the wiki
[07:45] <boredandblogging> on the list someone suggested creating a blog
[07:45] <boredandblogging> (which would probably get aggregated to the planet)
[07:46] <boredandblogging> which is ok if its going to be that technical, with no further explanations for the average user
[08:51] <svaksha> 08:45 < boredandblogging> on the list someone suggested creating a blog
[08:51] <svaksha> could the fridge aggregate this ?
[08:52] <svaksha> so instead of p.u.c, fridge gets dev-related news
[12:15] <highvoltage> who decided to include "[12:15] <highvoltage> fwiw, I think that was a real good blog post to include.
[12:19] <tyche> highvoltage: I thought it was a good description of what each was, and the reasons for including KDE 4.1.2
[12:21] <highvoltage> cool.
[12:21] <highvoltage> it certainly was.
[12:21] <tyche> I also tried to write the splurb in such a way as to attract attention to that fact.
[14:29] <highvoltage> hey cody-somerville
[14:29] <cody-somerville> hey highvoltage