/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/11/24/#ubuntu-ops.txt

LjLit's snowing!01:37
jribLjL: liar02:10
jribI looked out my window and everything02:10
jribif anyone wants to deal with trolls, they are in #ubuntu.  I'm kind of busy02:21
jribI'm banning them.  If they want they can appeal here02:21
jriband their common channel seems to be #roro or #rubyonrails02:22
jussi01Hello all02:26
jribhi jussi0102:27
jussi01hi jrib - all sorted with those trolls?02:27
jribjussi01: they seem to have stopped though I'm pretty sure trolldar was part of the group but stopped after I warned02:27
jussi01jrib: good outcome then...02:28
bazhangneed an operator in #k03:27
bazhangmahdialsholi spamming03:28
naliothand he's left03:29
bazhangyep03:29
bazhangand back03:31
tritiumbazhang: you taking care of #ubuntu-juvenile for a bit?  I've had my share.03:38
bazhangtritium, taking care? hehe03:38
tritiumWell, I see you're working on netyire ;)03:39
bazhangmore liking staunching the flood for a moment03:39
tritiumhehe03:39
bazhangthey stop for ten seconds if that03:39
tritiumYeah.  I'm trying to remember why I am even in there...03:39
bazhang<mahdialsholi> #ubuntu-devel  <--watch this guy wreak havoc there03:40
bazhangnow in #ubuntu-laptop03:41
tritiumWhoa...launchpad is down for scheduled maintenance.03:41
bazhang<mahdialsholi> i waana see channel list03:45
bazhangfrom PM03:45
FlannelThere's an #ubuntu-laptop?03:45
tritiumYes, for the laptop testing team.03:45
FlannelAh03:45
FlannelMakes sense03:45
bazhangugh cross-posters ftl03:53
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FlannelHmmm, floodbots seem quiet in -monitor05:49
stdinthey are less verbose now05:53
Tm_Tgood morning, kids06:20
ikoniamorning06:26
ikoniaeyeballs on hackubuntu pleae06:26
werdnumHmm.. why am I being redirected here?06:58
werdnumTrying to join #ubuntu...06:58
Flannellet me look06:58
Flannelwerdnum: Because you were being inapproprate in #ubuntu, and we'd like to make sure it won't happen again06:59
werdnumFlannel: I don't remember doing anything in particular. Would you like to discuss it in private?07:00
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Flannel2008-11-17T01:30:39 <werdnum> !that_dead_hooker_in_the_bathroom07:00
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werdnumoops.07:01
werdnumoh, that.07:01
* werdnum shrugs.07:02
werdnumFor a first offence, a ban for that seems a little extreme.07:02
werdnumOTOH07:02
werdnumI will try to be a bit more family-friendly with jokes in the channel.07:02
FlannelIt wasn't a ban, it was a forward to here, since you left almost immediately07:03
Tm_Twerdnum: also don't use public away =)07:03
Flannelwerdnum: Are you familiar with our IRC guidelines?07:03
werdnumFlannel: I've probably read them at some point or other.07:03
Flannelwerdnum: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines07:03
FlannelGo ahead and give them a look now, so we won't have this issue in the future.07:03
werdnumI've been a Wikimedia operator, and usually that kind of thing results in a private message like "We'd prefer you kept your jokes a bit more tasteful"07:04
Flannelwerdnum: Again, you left almost immediately: 07:05
Flannel2008-11-17T01:30:39 <werdnum> !that_dead_hooker_in_the_bathroom07:05
Flannel2008-11-17T01:30:42 <werdnum> damn.07:05
Flannel2008-11-17T01:30:43 *** werdnum (werdnum!n=andrew@wikimedia/Werdna) has left #ubuntu ()07:05
werdnumyeah, I don't usually idle in high-traffic channels like #ubuntu :)07:05
werdnumMy leaving wasn't intended to avoid scrutiny or whatever, if that's what you're implying.07:07
werdnum(and you can always private message people when they leave the channel)07:08
werdnumAnyway, I've undertaken to keep not-so-family-friendly jokes out of the channel. Could you remove the forward, please?07:08
FlannelYou've read the guidelines?07:08
werdnumI have,07:08
FlannelAlright.  I trust we won't have any further issues then.  Go ahead and try joining07:09
werdnumThank you.07:09
elkbuntuyou should point out that it's useless to stop him if we deal with him silently, as it makes it look like it's ok since there's nothing to indicate to everyone else that it's not.08:21
elkbuntugrrrrr08:34
elkbunturight, so that explains why drkneecap is also a pain08:35
Myrttiwaffle time08:41
ikoniais it common knowledge that ebox is borked on 8.10 ?10:05
elkbuntuebox?10:06
elkbuntuoh, the eee desktop thingie?10:06
ikoniayes the ubuntu replacment for webmin10:06
elkbuntuoh10:06
ikonia!exob10:06
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about exob10:06
ikonia!ebox10:06
ubottuebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox10:06
ikoniaseems odd that we are pushing it yet it's in a dependency loop 10:06
bazhangXimal, how may we help you10:50
XimalI have an issue with another user who has chanserv operator control10:51
ikoniayes, I've just forwarded you here10:51
bazhangXimal, that is an operator10:51
Ximalbazhang you know i do NOT harrass normally anyone or ask out of context or topic questions.. 10:51
bazhangXimal, and you were removed righteously10:51
ikoniano-one said you harrassed anyone10:51
Ximalso he should have taken it to pm insteadof publicly hrrasingly ...10:51
ikoniayou where politly requested to not ask offtopic questions10:51
bazhang<Ximal> I find it disrespectful and untasteful and very very hard for us..10:51
bazhangofftopic is in #ubuntu-offtopic10:52
ikoniaXimal: all you had to do was say "ok, no problem" and not ask offtopic questions, 10:52
bazhangand you are well aware of that.10:52
ikoniano-one harrassed you, it was a polite request10:52
Ximaland i politely asked you not to disrespect me in public... i merely needed one help... nottomention right before u kicked me i tried to say ok.. topic dropped10:52
ikoniano you didn't10:52
ikoniayou started ranting10:52
Ximalif you control everything everyone says in that channel ... canonical won't go far.. not in my country... we have freedom of speech..10:52
bazhangthat is simply not the case Ximal 10:52
ikoniaand asking someone to not ask offtopic questions is no disrespecting someone10:52
bazhangXimal, this is not your country.10:53
Ximalso have a great day... and thank u for all that u guys have done... but i won't stand for that ... tobreak my rights... 10:53
ikoniaok, bye10:53
Ximalno it isn't.. but thisserver is host to all countries10:53
bazhangXimal, there are certain guidelines you need to abide by in #ubuntu.10:53
jussio1am I allowed to say "LOL"?10:53
ikoniasure10:54
ikoniaI'm thinking it 10:54
ikoniamassive overreaction10:54
ikoniathink he wanted a fight10:54
jussio1particularly at: [12:52] <Ximal> if you control everything everyone says in that channel ... canonical won't go far.. not in my country... we have freedom of speech..10:54
bazhangwas trying for it imo10:54
bazhangjust got a PM from Ximal10:59
ikoniareally10:59
bazhangsaying that he wont support OSS if his freedom of speech is violated10:59
ikoniafuther ranting no doubt10:59
ikoniano problem10:59
bazhangyep10:59
ikonialooking at what he contributes in other channels "how do I login" style questions, won't be a masive loss11:00
ikoniaand he's acting stupid if he damns all open source projects due to a disagrement with the ubuntu project11:01
bazhangkieko seems to be taking the hard way with whatever he is trying to do11:06
ikoniahe wants a java app that has to run in a terminal, so he has to launch a terminal, then launch the java command within it11:07
ikoniaquite straight forward11:07
ikoniabut he keeps just putting the java line on teh launcher, which has no controlling terminal, so exits11:07
bazhangbut it has been explained many times11:07
ikoniaI know11:07
bazhangand now he's getting a bit sarcastic/caustic11:07
ikoniaautoexec in #ubuntu -pm'ing me for private help getting a bit of atttiude when I said no11:08
ikoniajust a heads up11:08
bazhangk11:08
Tm_T1335.55 < juanantonio> Hello. Is there someone to help me with mount error that I never had11:36
ikoniadon't just stand there....help the man11:37
Tm_Tikonia: how to help with error he never had?11:38
ikoniaduh11:38
ikoniaget with it11:38
Tm_Tsorry ):11:38
Tm_Tanyway, I'm at uni, should go to next lecture now11:38
ikoniaso your running away /11:39
Tm_Tindeed I am11:39
* Tm_T hides11:39
ikoniagood good, glad thats on record ;~)11:39
Myrttioh for gods sake11:48
ikonia?11:49
* elkbuntu huggles Myrtti preemptively11:52
MyrttiI think Ximal's issue could have been taken care of better11:52
ikoniaMyrtti: really 11:52
ikoniaexpand11:52
Myrttibut what's done is done11:54
ikonianot at all, in what way could be improved11:54
* Myrtti tries to multitask between a skype call to Columbia and IRC11:56
elkbuntuoh so it was still alive... i couldnt see any of the recent lines. silly mirggi11:57
ikoniayup, alive and kicking11:57
Myrtti*sigh*12:03
Myrttithe time difference between Colombia (Columbia?) and Finland is a bummer12:04
Myrttihttp://www.worldtimeserver.com/meeting-planner-times.aspx?&L0=FI&L1=CO&L2=&L3=&L4=&Day=23&Mon=11&Y=200812:07
Myrttianyway12:07
ikoniaChaotic_Descent: thanks for joining14:21
ikoniaChaotic_Descent: I wanted to explain to you the reason for moderating your own language and how it doesn't matter if you have a job or not14:21
ikoniaChaotic_Descent: showing emotion in #ubuntu is fine, no-one is trying to stop you doing that, everytone is human.14:22
ikoniaChaotic_Descent: but you don't need to use or suggest the use of bad language to show your frustration. 14:22
Chaotic_DescentI can understand courtesy, but not censoring of emotion.14:22
ikoniano-one is censoring emotion14:22
ikoniathe user of swear words, or suggesting the use of swear words is not an emotion14:22
ikoniathese are the guidlines of the channel14:23
ikonia!coc > Chaotic_Descent 14:23
ubottuChaotic_Descent, please see my private message14:23
ikoniait woudl be appriciated if you could glance through them 14:23
ikoniaif you can follow the theme of these guidelines it may provent any issues with the channel in the future14:24
ikoniaChaotic_Descent: hopefully that seems reasonable to you and expalins a little more about trying to keep the tone of the channel "family friendly"14:24
ikoniaChaotic_Descent: does that make sense ?14:26
Chaotic_DescentI don't know. I haven't had time to read it yet. although I'm sure it's the same as every other rules and thingie thing which is general except possibly where it might be specific which most places aren't but I'll look in a minute and I can only type and read so fast.14:29
ikoniaChaotic_Descent: I know your active in #ubuntu at the moment, but if you could please just drop a note to say you understand and your comfortable with what I've said that would be most appriciated14:29
Chaotic_Descenthuh... what happened to the rest of my text?14:29
ikoniaI didn't see you type anything14:29
Chaotic_DescentI don't know. I haven't had time to read it yet. 14:29
Chaotic_Descentalthough I'm sure it's the same as every other rules and thingie thing which is general 14:30
Chaotic_Descentexcept possibly where it might be specific which most places aren't 14:30
ikoniasorry I didn't expect you to have read it yet, more just the concept of what I was sayuing14:30
Chaotic_Descentbut I'll look in a minute and I can only type and read so fast.14:30
ikoniait's just a guideline of what's acceptable, nothing set in stone14:30
ikoniaI'm using it to explain why using the bad language, or suggesting it is not needed or really wanted14:30
ikoniaif you could read it in your own time that would be most appriciated as you seemed keen to discuss it in #ubuntu and I didn't want to discuss this in the main room with you14:31
Chaotic_DescentI can understand censoring words poorly as being ineffective... like when you use characters that look similar to the letters they're hiding, or you leave a few real letters so people can tell what the word is... but that even something as vague as /me swears. seems pretty extreme.14:31
ikoniaChaotic_Descent you don't need to swear14:32
ikoniathe channel doesn't care if you /me swears or not14:32
ikoniaso don't do it14:32
Chaotic_DescentWhatever... I shouldn't be on IRC. or maybe the internet. or in public. :S14:32
ikoniano-one said that14:32
ikoniaI'm just trying to make you aware of the guidelines #ubuntu requires from it's users14:33
ikoniaif you can't be in a channel without implying swear words, then that is your problem to resolve, but for #ubuntu -it's not needed14:33
Chaotic_DescentI disagree with your interpretation of the rules, but I dunno. I hear you, but I don't know... whatever.14:42
ikoniawell, I assume you agree to keep with the spirit of what I'm suggesting14:44
ikoniait doesn't really matter if you agree with it or not to that extent, more a case that you agree to abide by it14:44
Chaotic_Descentyeah I figured. :S14:44
ikoniagood good, just checking your fine with it14:45
Chaotic_DescentI don't know, but it's irrelevant.14:45
ikonianot it's not14:45
ikoniait's important you agree to abide by it14:45
Chaotic_Descentno, I meant whether I'm fine with it is irrelevant.14:46
ikoniaof course14:46
Chaotic_Descentthere's really only one option... not be around. take a time out voluntarily or it will be mandatory.14:48
Myrttierm.14:48
Chaotic_Descentit's true. you can't sit there at the computer while you're raging mad.14:48
Chaotic_DescentYou need to stop everything you're doing and pull yourself away from the situation.14:49
ikoniawho ?14:50
Chaotic_DescentI'm not very good at that. bleh. I hate ending on a down note.14:50
ikoniaif you feel burnt out, take a walk 14:50
Chaotic_Descentthe royal we. :> the one who's raging mad, obviously.14:50
Chaotic_Descentthe one who was swearing.14:50
ikoniathat seems litke a good option, walk away for 10 minutes, and have a drink or something to relax you14:51
Tm_Tikonia: water or tea, no alcohol in irc (;)14:51
ikoniaof corse14:52
ikoniacourse14:52
MyrttiI always do my prayers when I'm burnt out in IRC ;-)14:52
* Pici plays games14:52
ikoniaPici: I'm with you14:52
Chaotic_Descentah well... I don't know... anything.14:55
Myrttiubottu: tell Chaotic_Descent about prayer14:55
ubottuChaotic_Descent, please see my private message14:55
Chaotic_Descentright... I don't need to say... anything.14:55
Myrttithat's what I do :-)14:55
MyrttiI take a deep breath, say my prayers and play few rounds of same gnome14:56
Myrttior fiddle with my .emacs or .zshrc :-D14:56
Chaotic_DescentI wish I had things I could do that had innate abilities to alter my mood and attitude and whatnot. 14:57
ikoniawell Chaotic_Descent I think we've got the idea now, I appriciate you coming into this channel to discuss it, your welcome to part and of course I'll stop distracting you from ubuntu14:59
Chaotic_Descentrelaxing... energizing... nope. that's why I'm awake at 10am without sleep and trying to learn PHP and MySQL.14:59
Chaotic_Descentright... I don't need to say anything.15:00
geniiGood morning, afternoon, or evening15:01
* ikonia $10 says he can't hold his tounge15:01
ikoniabut I'm opinh15:01
ikoniahopingh15:01
ikoniahoping even15:01
Myrttigenii: moin15:15
geniiMyrtti: Moin :)15:16
ikoniacoffee ?15:20
* genii puts on a giant new urn of strong coffee15:21
ikoniaurn, what a great word15:22
geniiOne of those huge stainless steel ones with the metal mesh basket for the coffee grinds :)15:23
MyrttiAND NOW FOR SOME REFRESHMENTS!15:31
Myrttihttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/24/everyone-loves-a-slinky-kitteh/15:32
PiciMyrtti: Have you seen: http://www.365tomorrows.com/08/18/lolcats/ ?15:32
MyrttiLOLZ15:33
Pici:)15:33
ubottuDJones called the ops in #ubuntu (alice_)15:42
ubottusinuc called the ops in #ubuntu (doesthatnowhighlightyouall?)15:44
Pici...15:45
nickrudMyrtti, you should send alice to -offtopic ;)15:47
ikoniasorry Myrtti lag15:47
nickrudtoo late15:48
Myrttiikonia: heads or tails?15:48
ikoniaI'll remove now15:48
Myrtti:-D15:48
ikoniaMyrtti: if you install phone apps to the SD card where do they get installed, I just stuck putty on my phone and can't find where it installed to on the memory card15:49
Myrttiyou should get the icon somewhere15:50
Myrttibut if else fails, it should be on tools - memory15:50
Myrttior something of the sort15:50
Myrtti(my phone is in Finnish)15:50
LjjjLmy phone is in english15:51
LjjjLthe first thing i always do on a phone i buy is to switch it to english...15:51
ikoniacan't find the darn thing15:51
LjjjLi hate translations they're mostly silly15:51
LjjjLikonia: what are you looking for?15:52
ikoniatools -> installation -> putty15:52
LjjjLikonia: aren't apps in tools -> *applications*?15:53
LjjjLalthough i renamed that anyway15:53
ikoniaI don't have applications15:53
ikoniaI have tools installations15:53
LjjjLor Installed Apps or something15:53
ikoniajust moved it to tools -> communication15:53
ikoniaso I know where it is15:53
MyrttiLjjjL: mmm, well, Nokia has always had Finnish as an option, and probably also done by a native without translating15:54
LjjjLthen i still don't know what you're looking for...15:54
Myrttiso Finnish in mobile phones is a natural choice for me15:54
ikoniaLjjjL i was looking for where the putty installer dumped putty15:54
LjjjLMyrtti: they've also always had italian as an option, although i suspect it *is* translated...15:54
LjjjLMyrtti: but italian is clumsy, some phrases become too long and have to be abbreviated in ways i don't like15:55
LjjjLalso, programs are often only in english15:55
LjjjLand i don't like to have a mixture of languages on my systems15:56
LjjjL(that goes for windows and linux too)15:56
Myrttiwell, in my case it's always about what language was the language I learned to use the system with15:57
MyrttiWindows has to be in Finnish, Adobe / Macromedia products in English15:57
Myrttisame with Ubuntu15:57
LjjjLi go to great lengths to get English versions of Windows when i have to use it...15:58
LjjjLactually, doing Italian translations of Ubuntu is something i could and probably should help with... but i would be much more motivated if i actually *used* Italian versions of stuff to begin with15:59
ikoniaLjjjL: your language skills are too good not to be used16:01
LjjjLikonia: well it doesn't take a degree in languages to use an OS in any case16:01
ikoniano, but your fluent in multiple languages16:02
LjjjLstuff is always in the same places, if you paid attention to it you'd notice you probably don't actually look at the words on your menus etc16:02
LjjjLnot really, i'm fluent in italian and in written english16:02
LjjjLknowledge of other languages is very patchy16:02
MyrttiLjjjL: I translate software to Finnish even if I don't use them in Finnish16:04
Myrttias it's about the only thing I *can* do16:04
Myrttiapart from being a non-pushy open source zealot16:04
Myrttiand rambling on irc16:04
* genii sips his coffee and thinks about non-pushy zealots16:05
LjjjLMyrtti: same here, *but* i'm lazy.16:05
Myrttigenii: "use emacs, vim, whatever rocks your boat. use comodo edit, if that's more of your thing. or Dreamweaver. Just as long as you know what you're doing, and get your work done in a way that suits you best"16:06
MyrttiI'm awfully utilitarian and sensible person.16:07
Myrtti"if you use emacs, I can help you with that"16:07
Myrtti(that's the zealot part)16:07
genii:)16:07
Myrttioh, and it's Komodo Edit, not comodo edit.16:08
* Pici is signing up for UDS, anyone else here going?16:09
ikoniaPici: I'd love to but would need a ticket to the states16:10
MyrttiI'll be on the European UDS16:14
Myrttianyone else here going ;-)16:14
ikoniaMyrtti: what's teh details16:16
Myrtti"sometime in the first half of 2009, in Europe"16:16
ikoniawell, that narrows it down16:16
Myrttifoodzor16:26
MyrttiUGAAAAHHHHH16:31
Myrttihorrrrrrible coffee16:31
geniiWhere?16:37
Myrttiin my mug16:41
* genii swaps Myrtti's horrible coffee for a nice strong batch instead16:43
Myrttihttp://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/11/23/image/248513_Cobblestone%20path.gif16:43
Myrttimwahaha16:43
mneptokGrue-mba17:18
LjjjLhey, floodbot says "dasmaze" was banned and is evading... is he?17:26
ikoniacan't see any reason why floodbadots thinks dasmaze is evading18:07
ikoniaip is fine, nick is fine, ident is fine18:07
Piciikonia: Because Myrtti banned *!*n=alice@*.adsl.alicedsl.de18:09
Myrttier18:09
MyrttiTHE BOTS ARE WRONG THEN18:10
PiciYES18:10
ikoniaah18:11
Myrttijussi01: http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Dragondejavu&image_id=2871156118:20
maxbaldwinsomeone's joining #ubuntu and using !list repeatedly18:21
maxbaldwinon different clients18:21
maxbaldwin(n=gerry@host146-143-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it).18:21
maxbaldwin(n=opera@host146-143-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it).18:21
maxbaldwinetc.18:21
ikoniawhat nick ?18:22
Myrttichanges18:22
maxbaldwinyeah.18:22
ikoniaahh ferri18:22
maxbaldwinferri18:22
Myrtti!list18:22
ubottuHi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots18:22
maxbaldwinYrreg18:22
maxbaldwinetc18:22
Myrttihmmmm.18:22
ikoniaI'll keep an eye on it18:22
maxbaldwinthanks.18:23
Myrtti!software18:23
ubottuA general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents18:23
Myrtti!packages18:23
ubottuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!18:23
MyrttiI think list should be aliased to that ;-)18:23
LjLWHO SAYS MY BOTS ARE WRONG19:13
ikoniaPici: did Pici did 19:13
ikoniano me19:14
ikonianot me19:14
LjLpicididpicididpidiciddidipic19:14
LjLnice tonguetwister19:14
PiciLjL: Myrtti did!19:19
Tm_TPici: LIES!19:19
Myrtti@bansearch alice_19:47
Myrttiwell?!19:47
* Myrtti kicks ubottu19:47
Myrtti@login19:47
ubottuThe operation succeeded.19:47
Myrtti@bansearch alice_19:48
ubottuMatch: *!*n=alice@*.adsl.alicedsl.de by Myrtti in #ubuntu on Nov 24 2008 15:47:41 (ID: 7243)19:48
Myrttipft.19:48
MyrttiQED19:48
mneptokAlice pressed against the wall so she can see the door. In case the laughing strangers crawl and crush the petals on the floor. Alice in her party dress, she thanks you kindly, so serene. She needs you like she needs her tranqs; to tell her that the world is clean.19:51
DJonesin case anybody hadn't noticed, andersonx is in #ubuntu and has posted sudo rm -f / 3 times in the last few minutes19:52
mneptokDJones: taken care of. thanks.19:53
DJonesno probs19:53
Myrttimeh20:11
mneptokso, the primary reason i think Ursinha is sexy is that .... OH! HEY! hi there!20:16
mneptokO:)20:16
Ursinhahauhauhauhauha20:16
Ursinhalol20:16
* mneptok invited Ursinha here so she can keep an eye on people like andersonx that are also idling in #ubuntu-br20:17
Ursinhamneptok, what could I do about that misbehaving user?20:17
mneptokban him?20:17
Ursinhabesides banning him from #ubuntu-br?20:17
mneptokthat's all20:17
Ursinhafair enough :)20:17
PriceChildmneptok: that nick spelt correctly? I don't see it.20:17
mneptokPriceChild: gone now20:17
mneptokPriceChild: he dropped a few "rm -rf /"s into #ubuntu, and then left. he stayed for another 10m or so in #ubuntu-br.20:18
PriceChildbah yes, saw that earlier but "forgot"/20:18
* mneptok then called the Canonical Brazilian Cavalry20:18
PriceChildtrumpets?20:18
Ursinhahahahaha20:19
mneptokyes. the plastic, futbol variety20:19
Ursinhalol20:19
* Myrtti starts to bounce a ball against the wall20:38
LjLMyrtti: but will it ever reach the wall?20:38
Myrtti*ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*20:38
LjLit will have to do half the distance first...20:38
PiciLike in 'The Great Escape'?20:38
LjLthen it will certainly need to do half of the distance from where we left it, before the wall20:38
Myrttihmmm?20:39
Myrtti*ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*20:39
LjLMyrtti: your so-called ball bouncing is an illusion of motion.20:39
LjLILLUSION.20:39
MyrttiLjL: when have you last counted your fingers?20:39
Myrttithere's supposed to be five of them on each hand20:40
Myrttinot six20:40
Myrtti*ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*20:40
LjLMyrtti: but one of them is in my nose...20:40
MyrttiLjL: oh.20:41
Myrtti*ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*20:42
PiciMyrtti is the new Steve McQueen?20:43
MyrttiI'm just bored20:43
Myrtti@now Bogota20:43
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Myrtti*yawn*21:21
* mneptok tosses sleeping pills in Myrtti's mouth21:22
MyrttiI feel old.21:26
MyrttiA friend of mine commented the sentence "Chinese Democracy sucks!!!11" with "yeah, a friend of mine who lives in China told me he's been forced to use only gtalk because Skype was just recently blocked..."21:27
Myrttiand I just want to scream "NO YOU TWIT! NO NO NO! not *that* Chinese Democracy!"21:28
mneptokMyrtti: but ... but ... FREE DR PEPPER!21:28
Myrtti(I've not heard the album, the opinion it sucks wasn't mine)21:29
PriceChildThere's only one kind of chinese democracy?21:30
* Myrtti looks at PriceChild, looks at mneptok and stares PriceChild again21:30
MyrttiARGH21:31
MyrttiI'll go and buy a walking cane tomorrow21:32
Myrttibut seriously, my brain hurts.21:35
MyrttiATTENTION PLEASE: Please check and clear your banlist at #ubuntu!21:39
Myrttithere's currently 381, yes, three hundred eighty one bans there.21:40
LjLa few of us checked ours yesterday21:42
jdongIT'S OVER 9000 wait no it isn't.21:51
MyrttiI'm just doing a list with who has most bans at #ubuntu.22:01
LjLuh...22:04
Ursinhado you have problems with op criteria to ban people on #ubuntu?22:05
LjL     19 ikonia22:06
LjL     22 Pici22:06
LjL     23 FloodBot322:06
LjL     24 reynolds.freenode.net22:06
LjL     35 FloodBot222:06
LjL     35 jrib22:06
LjL     42 ompaul22:06
LjL     75 LjL22:06
Piciyay, hilights22:06
LjLit basically took my client longer to output it than to actually do the listing :P22:06
LjLPici: yes, i know. you can kick me if you want.22:06
Picinah22:07
Myrttihttp://paste.ubuntu.com/76590/22:07
LjLMyrtti: you're late.22:07
Myrttibut I have more entries22:08
LjLMyrtti: i can have them too, i just thought i wouldn't highlight *everyone*.22:08
Myrttiand I didn't highlight people22:08
LjLonly the worst offenders.22:08
LjLMyrtti: but i *wanted* to highlight some.22:08
Myrttibut as we can see, there's plenty of bans from floodbots and too old bans to be on the banlists22:09
Myrttitoo old bans to be there by names of the banners22:09
Myrttiie. by *.freenode.net22:09
LjLi would *not* remove the freenode.net bans, mostly.22:10
LjLmost of them are pretty important.22:10
Myrttishould these be reviewed?22:10
Myrtticheck if they're on the bantracker, atleast22:10
LjLMyrtti: there are some that should just be left there. there are others that can probably be removed... since ChanServ would automatically reinstate them on a join, anyway.22:11
Myrttialso, should someone check ompaul's bans?22:12
LjLthey're weird as they're mostly bans on ident or nick.22:12
LjLwhen *i* ban on ident or nick, that's generally a serious ban. don't know about ompaul's.22:12
Myrttiok.22:12
MyrttiI'll check the first ten that are still there according to bantracker22:13
LjLi'd start by removing old banforwards to #ubuntu-ops22:13
LjLwhen one banforwards to #ubuntu-ops, it's generally a lesser sin22:13
LjLjrib has a few of them for instance, and they're old22:14
LjLikonia's got some too22:14
Myrttiwe're now down to 37522:16
LjLwell, those were my own bans that i feel comfortable removing. i generally don't remove bans that are newer than a month22:17
LjLi suppose i can make an exception if we really need slots that badly.22:17
MyrttiI think that's good22:18
Myrttiie. no need now22:18
Myrttimost of ompauls bans seem to be legit22:20
Myrttiatleast those by ident or nick22:20
Myrttithose with ip address I'm not sure of22:20
LjLMyrtti, many of them are clearly done with the chanserv script, so they're redundant (ban both on ident and nick). perhaps the ones on the nick can be removed and only the ident ones left.22:20
MyrttiLjL: otoh, those are also those I'd regard as permabans...22:22
LjLMyrtti: well, a permban is technically one that's in chanserv...22:22
LjLbut yes, somewhat22:22
LjLstill, leaving the ident ones would mostly work to "remember" them22:22
* Myrtti considers firing xchat22:23
MyrttiOMG I just got a sudden urge for a strawberry ice popsicle with chocolate...22:24
Myrtti;___;22:24
LjLMyrtti: tell you what, i remove the ones on nicknames and log a BT comment for each of them, saying that they're still active on the ident and were just removed for technical reasons22:24
MyrttiLjL: mm, sounds good22:24
LjLMyrtti: on second thought though... at the end of the day, that's just 5 bans22:25
MyrttiI had a thought. It escaped me22:26
LjLpici, we have a *mute* on 83.230 now...?22:35
LjLthat's why the ones i've seen lately didn't talk...22:35
PiciLjL: It been like that for quite a while23:20
LjLPici: what was wrong with my redirect to #ubuntu-graylist?23:24
PiciLjL: I forget why it was changed/removed23:25
LjLPici: if we want them to "have a chance", at least -graylist tells them what's going on... even a ban makes things clear (although it won't let them know where to go ask), but a mute probably doesn't even let them see they're speaking in vain...?23:26
PiciLjL: Go ahead and change it.23:26
* Myrtti yawns and decides to give up23:30
Myrttigood night23:31
PiciGoodnight Myrtti 23:33
Pici12:48 <Pici> Hmm.. Werent we forwarding the 83.230 crowd to #ubuntu-greylist ?                                                             23:34
Pici12:49 <Pici> I've re-muted it for now. 23:34
Picifrom my -ops logs before I enabled timestamps that actually help23:34
LjLok23:35
LjLPici: was probably the result of an indiscriminate bans spring cleaning :>23:35
PiciLjL: My logs say it was ompaul, but you're right, it looks like he was just doing some cleaning of bans.23:37
LjLPici: right, when ompaul starts with the spring cleanings, there's no stopping him23:38
LjLstdin, undesired behavior here...23:41
LjL[00:40:56] <LjL> !gparted > NoIdeaMan    (NoIdeaMan, see the private message from ubottu) this is such a partitioning tool23:41
LjL[00:40:58] <ubottu> I'll remember that, LjL23:41

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