[01:37] <LjL> it's snowing!
[02:10] <jrib> LjL: liar
[02:10] <jrib> I looked out my window and everything
[02:21] <jrib> if anyone wants to deal with trolls, they are in #ubuntu.  I'm kind of busy
[02:21] <jrib> I'm banning them.  If they want they can appeal here
[02:22] <jrib> and their common channel seems to be #roro or #rubyonrails
[02:26] <jussi01> Hello all
[02:27] <jrib> hi jussi01
[02:27] <jussi01> hi jrib - all sorted with those trolls?
[02:27] <jrib> jussi01: they seem to have stopped though I'm pretty sure trolldar was part of the group but stopped after I warned
[02:28] <jussi01> jrib: good outcome then...
[03:27] <bazhang> need an operator in #k
[03:28] <bazhang> mahdialsholi spamming
[03:29] <nalioth> and he's left
[03:29] <bazhang> yep
[03:31] <bazhang> and back
[03:38] <tritium> bazhang: you taking care of #ubuntu-juvenile for a bit?  I've had my share.
[03:38] <bazhang> tritium, taking care? hehe
[03:39] <tritium> Well, I see you're working on netyire ;)
[03:39] <bazhang> more liking staunching the flood for a moment
[03:39] <tritium> hehe
[03:39] <bazhang> they stop for ten seconds if that
[03:39] <tritium> Yeah.  I'm trying to remember why I am even in there...
 #ubuntu-devel  <--watch this guy wreak havoc there
[03:41] <bazhang> now in #ubuntu-laptop
[03:41] <tritium> Whoa...launchpad is down for scheduled maintenance.
 i waana see channel list
[03:45] <bazhang> from PM
[03:45] <Flannel> There's an #ubuntu-laptop?
[03:45] <tritium> Yes, for the laptop testing team.
[03:45] <Flannel> Ah
[03:45] <Flannel> Makes sense
[03:53] <bazhang> ugh cross-posters ftl
[05:49] <Flannel> Hmmm, floodbots seem quiet in -monitor
[05:53] <stdin> they are less verbose now
[06:20] <Tm_T> good morning, kids
[06:26] <ikonia> morning
[06:26] <ikonia> eyeballs on hackubuntu pleae
[06:58] <werdnum> Hmm.. why am I being redirected here?
[06:58] <werdnum> Trying to join #ubuntu...
[06:58] <Flannel> let me look
[06:59] <Flannel> werdnum: Because you were being inapproprate in #ubuntu, and we'd like to make sure it won't happen again
[07:00] <werdnum> Flannel: I don't remember doing anything in particular. Would you like to discuss it in private?
[07:00] <Flannel> 2008-11-17T01:30:39 <werdnum> !that_dead_hooker_in_the_bathroom
[07:01] <werdnum> oops.
[07:01] <werdnum> oh, that.
[07:02]  * werdnum shrugs.
[07:02] <werdnum> For a first offence, a ban for that seems a little extreme.
[07:02] <werdnum> OTOH
[07:02] <werdnum> I will try to be a bit more family-friendly with jokes in the channel.
[07:03] <Flannel> It wasn't a ban, it was a forward to here, since you left almost immediately
[07:03] <Tm_T> werdnum: also don't use public away =)
[07:03] <Flannel> werdnum: Are you familiar with our IRC guidelines?
[07:03] <werdnum> Flannel: I've probably read them at some point or other.
[07:03] <Flannel> werdnum: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:03] <Flannel> Go ahead and give them a look now, so we won't have this issue in the future.
[07:04] <werdnum> I've been a Wikimedia operator, and usually that kind of thing results in a private message like "We'd prefer you kept your jokes a bit more tasteful"
[07:05] <Flannel> werdnum: Again, you left almost immediately: 
[07:05] <Flannel> 2008-11-17T01:30:39 <werdnum> !that_dead_hooker_in_the_bathroom
[07:05] <Flannel> 2008-11-17T01:30:42 <werdnum> damn.
[07:05] <Flannel> 2008-11-17T01:30:43 *** werdnum (werdnum!n=andrew@wikimedia/Werdna) has left #ubuntu ()
[07:05] <werdnum> yeah, I don't usually idle in high-traffic channels like #ubuntu :)
[07:07] <werdnum> My leaving wasn't intended to avoid scrutiny or whatever, if that's what you're implying.
[07:08] <werdnum> (and you can always private message people when they leave the channel)
[07:08] <werdnum> Anyway, I've undertaken to keep not-so-family-friendly jokes out of the channel. Could you remove the forward, please?
[07:08] <Flannel> You've read the guidelines?
[07:08] <werdnum> I have,
[07:09] <Flannel> Alright.  I trust we won't have any further issues then.  Go ahead and try joining
[07:09] <werdnum> Thank you.
[08:21] <elkbuntu> you should point out that it's useless to stop him if we deal with him silently, as it makes it look like it's ok since there's nothing to indicate to everyone else that it's not.
[08:34] <elkbuntu> grrrrr
[08:35] <elkbuntu> right, so that explains why drkneecap is also a pain
[08:41] <Myrtti> waffle time
[10:05] <ikonia> is it common knowledge that ebox is borked on 8.10 ?
[10:06] <elkbuntu> ebox?
[10:06] <elkbuntu> oh, the eee desktop thingie?
[10:06] <ikonia> yes the ubuntu replacment for webmin
[10:06] <elkbuntu> oh
[10:06] <ikonia> !exob
[10:06] <ikonia> !ebox
[10:06] <ikonia> seems odd that we are pushing it yet it's in a dependency loop 
[10:50] <bazhang> Ximal, how may we help you
[10:51] <Ximal> I have an issue with another user who has chanserv operator control
[10:51] <ikonia> yes, I've just forwarded you here
[10:51] <bazhang> Ximal, that is an operator
[10:51] <Ximal> bazhang you know i do NOT harrass normally anyone or ask out of context or topic questions.. 
[10:51] <bazhang> Ximal, and you were removed righteously
[10:51] <ikonia> no-one said you harrassed anyone
[10:51] <Ximal> so he should have taken it to pm insteadof publicly hrrasingly ...
[10:51] <ikonia> you where politly requested to not ask offtopic questions
 I find it disrespectful and untasteful and very very hard for us..
[10:52] <bazhang> offtopic is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:52] <ikonia> Ximal: all you had to do was say "ok, no problem" and not ask offtopic questions, 
[10:52] <bazhang> and you are well aware of that.
[10:52] <ikonia> no-one harrassed you, it was a polite request
[10:52] <Ximal> and i politely asked you not to disrespect me in public... i merely needed one help... nottomention right before u kicked me i tried to say ok.. topic dropped
[10:52] <ikonia> no you didn't
[10:52] <ikonia> you started ranting
[10:52] <Ximal> if you control everything everyone says in that channel ... canonical won't go far.. not in my country... we have freedom of speech..
[10:52] <bazhang> that is simply not the case Ximal 
[10:52] <ikonia> and asking someone to not ask offtopic questions is no disrespecting someone
[10:53] <bazhang> Ximal, this is not your country.
[10:53] <Ximal> so have a great day... and thank u for all that u guys have done... but i won't stand for that ... tobreak my rights... 
[10:53] <ikonia> ok, bye
[10:53] <Ximal> no it isn't.. but thisserver is host to all countries
[10:53] <bazhang> Ximal, there are certain guidelines you need to abide by in #ubuntu.
[10:53] <jussio1> am I allowed to say "LOL"?
[10:54] <ikonia> sure
[10:54] <ikonia> I'm thinking it 
[10:54] <ikonia> massive overreaction
[10:54] <ikonia> think he wanted a fight
[10:54] <jussio1> particularly at: [12:52] <Ximal> if you control everything everyone says in that channel ... canonical won't go far.. not in my country... we have freedom of speech..
[10:54] <bazhang> was trying for it imo
[10:59] <bazhang> just got a PM from Ximal
[10:59] <ikonia> really
[10:59] <bazhang> saying that he wont support OSS if his freedom of speech is violated
[10:59] <ikonia> futher ranting no doubt
[10:59] <ikonia> no problem
[10:59] <bazhang> yep
[11:00] <ikonia> looking at what he contributes in other channels "how do I login" style questions, won't be a masive loss
[11:01] <ikonia> and he's acting stupid if he damns all open source projects due to a disagrement with the ubuntu project
[11:06] <bazhang> kieko seems to be taking the hard way with whatever he is trying to do
[11:07] <ikonia> he wants a java app that has to run in a terminal, so he has to launch a terminal, then launch the java command within it
[11:07] <ikonia> quite straight forward
[11:07] <ikonia> but he keeps just putting the java line on teh launcher, which has no controlling terminal, so exits
[11:07] <bazhang> but it has been explained many times
[11:07] <ikonia> I know
[11:07] <bazhang> and now he's getting a bit sarcastic/caustic
[11:08] <ikonia> autoexec in #ubuntu -pm'ing me for private help getting a bit of atttiude when I said no
[11:08] <ikonia> just a heads up
[11:08] <bazhang> k
[11:36] <Tm_T> 1335.55 < juanantonio> Hello. Is there someone to help me with mount error that I never had
[11:37] <ikonia> don't just stand there....help the man
[11:38] <Tm_T> ikonia: how to help with error he never had?
[11:38] <ikonia> duh
[11:38] <ikonia> get with it
[11:38] <Tm_T> sorry ):
[11:38] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm at uni, should go to next lecture now
[11:39] <ikonia> so your running away /
[11:39] <Tm_T> indeed I am
[11:39]  * Tm_T hides
[11:39] <ikonia> good good, glad thats on record ;~)
[11:48] <Myrtti> oh for gods sake
[11:49] <ikonia> ?
[11:52]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti preemptively
[11:52] <Myrtti> I think Ximal's issue could have been taken care of better
[11:52] <ikonia> Myrtti: really 
[11:52] <ikonia> expand
[11:54] <Myrtti> but what's done is done
[11:54] <ikonia> not at all, in what way could be improved
[11:56]  * Myrtti tries to multitask between a skype call to Columbia and IRC
[11:57] <elkbuntu> oh so it was still alive... i couldnt see any of the recent lines. silly mirggi
[11:57] <ikonia> yup, alive and kicking
[12:03] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[12:04] <Myrtti> the time difference between Colombia (Columbia?) and Finland is a bummer
[12:07] <Myrtti> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/meeting-planner-times.aspx?&L0=FI&L1=CO&L2=&L3=&L4=&Day=23&Mon=11&Y=2008
[12:07] <Myrtti> anyway
[14:21] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent: thanks for joining
[14:21] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent: I wanted to explain to you the reason for moderating your own language and how it doesn't matter if you have a job or not
[14:22] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent: showing emotion in #ubuntu is fine, no-one is trying to stop you doing that, everytone is human.
[14:22] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent: but you don't need to use or suggest the use of bad language to show your frustration. 
[14:22] <Chaotic_Descent> I can understand courtesy, but not censoring of emotion.
[14:22] <ikonia> no-one is censoring emotion
[14:22] <ikonia> the user of swear words, or suggesting the use of swear words is not an emotion
[14:23] <ikonia> these are the guidlines of the channel
[14:23] <ikonia> !coc > Chaotic_Descent 
[14:23] <ikonia> it woudl be appriciated if you could glance through them 
[14:24] <ikonia> if you can follow the theme of these guidelines it may provent any issues with the channel in the future
[14:24] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent: hopefully that seems reasonable to you and expalins a little more about trying to keep the tone of the channel "family friendly"
[14:26] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent: does that make sense ?
[14:29] <Chaotic_Descent> I don't know. I haven't had time to read it yet. although I'm sure it's the same as every other rules and thingie thing which is general except possibly where it might be specific which most places aren't but I'll look in a minute and I can only type and read so fast.
[14:29] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent: I know your active in #ubuntu at the moment, but if you could please just drop a note to say you understand and your comfortable with what I've said that would be most appriciated
[14:29] <Chaotic_Descent> huh... what happened to the rest of my text?
[14:29] <ikonia> I didn't see you type anything
[14:29] <Chaotic_Descent> I don't know. I haven't had time to read it yet. 
[14:30] <Chaotic_Descent> although I'm sure it's the same as every other rules and thingie thing which is general 
[14:30] <Chaotic_Descent> except possibly where it might be specific which most places aren't 
[14:30] <ikonia> sorry I didn't expect you to have read it yet, more just the concept of what I was sayuing
[14:30] <Chaotic_Descent> but I'll look in a minute and I can only type and read so fast.
[14:30] <ikonia> it's just a guideline of what's acceptable, nothing set in stone
[14:30] <ikonia> I'm using it to explain why using the bad language, or suggesting it is not needed or really wanted
[14:31] <ikonia> if you could read it in your own time that would be most appriciated as you seemed keen to discuss it in #ubuntu and I didn't want to discuss this in the main room with you
[14:31] <Chaotic_Descent> I can understand censoring words poorly as being ineffective... like when you use characters that look similar to the letters they're hiding, or you leave a few real letters so people can tell what the word is... but that even something as vague as /me swears. seems pretty extreme.
[14:32] <ikonia> Chaotic_Descent you don't need to swear
[14:32] <ikonia> the channel doesn't care if you /me swears or not
[14:32] <ikonia> so don't do it
[14:32] <Chaotic_Descent> Whatever... I shouldn't be on IRC. or maybe the internet. or in public. :S
[14:32] <ikonia> no-one said that
[14:33] <ikonia> I'm just trying to make you aware of the guidelines #ubuntu requires from it's users
[14:33] <ikonia> if you can't be in a channel without implying swear words, then that is your problem to resolve, but for #ubuntu -it's not needed
[14:42] <Chaotic_Descent> I disagree with your interpretation of the rules, but I dunno. I hear you, but I don't know... whatever.
[14:44] <ikonia> well, I assume you agree to keep with the spirit of what I'm suggesting
[14:44] <ikonia> it doesn't really matter if you agree with it or not to that extent, more a case that you agree to abide by it
[14:44] <Chaotic_Descent> yeah I figured. :S
[14:45] <ikonia> good good, just checking your fine with it
[14:45] <Chaotic_Descent> I don't know, but it's irrelevant.
[14:45] <ikonia> not it's not
[14:45] <ikonia> it's important you agree to abide by it
[14:46] <Chaotic_Descent> no, I meant whether I'm fine with it is irrelevant.
[14:46] <ikonia> of course
[14:48] <Chaotic_Descent> there's really only one option... not be around. take a time out voluntarily or it will be mandatory.
[14:48] <Myrtti> erm.
[14:48] <Chaotic_Descent> it's true. you can't sit there at the computer while you're raging mad.
[14:49] <Chaotic_Descent> You need to stop everything you're doing and pull yourself away from the situation.
[14:50] <ikonia> who ?
[14:50] <Chaotic_Descent> I'm not very good at that. bleh. I hate ending on a down note.
[14:50] <ikonia> if you feel burnt out, take a walk 
[14:50] <Chaotic_Descent> the royal we. :> the one who's raging mad, obviously.
[14:50] <Chaotic_Descent> the one who was swearing.
[14:51] <ikonia> that seems litke a good option, walk away for 10 minutes, and have a drink or something to relax you
[14:51] <Tm_T> ikonia: water or tea, no alcohol in irc (;)
[14:52] <ikonia> of corse
[14:52] <ikonia> course
[14:52] <Myrtti> I always do my prayers when I'm burnt out in IRC ;-)
[14:52]  * Pici plays games
[14:52] <ikonia> Pici: I'm with you
[14:55] <Chaotic_Descent> ah well... I don't know... anything.
[14:55] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell Chaotic_Descent about prayer
[14:55] <Chaotic_Descent> right... I don't need to say... anything.
[14:55] <Myrtti> that's what I do :-)
[14:56] <Myrtti> I take a deep breath, say my prayers and play few rounds of same gnome
[14:56] <Myrtti> or fiddle with my .emacs or .zshrc :-D
[14:57] <Chaotic_Descent> I wish I had things I could do that had innate abilities to alter my mood and attitude and whatnot. 
[14:59] <ikonia> well Chaotic_Descent I think we've got the idea now, I appriciate you coming into this channel to discuss it, your welcome to part and of course I'll stop distracting you from ubuntu
[14:59] <Chaotic_Descent> relaxing... energizing... nope. that's why I'm awake at 10am without sleep and trying to learn PHP and MySQL.
[15:00] <Chaotic_Descent> right... I don't need to say anything.
[15:01] <genii> Good morning, afternoon, or evening
[15:01]  * ikonia $10 says he can't hold his tounge
[15:01] <ikonia> but I'm opinh
[15:01] <ikonia> hopingh
[15:01] <ikonia> hoping even
[15:15] <Myrtti> genii: moin
[15:16] <genii> Myrtti: Moin :)
[15:20] <ikonia> coffee ?
[15:21]  * genii puts on a giant new urn of strong coffee
[15:22] <ikonia> urn, what a great word
[15:23] <genii> One of those huge stainless steel ones with the metal mesh basket for the coffee grinds :)
[15:31] <Myrtti> AND NOW FOR SOME REFRESHMENTS!
[15:32] <Myrtti> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/24/everyone-loves-a-slinky-kitteh/
[15:32] <Pici> Myrtti: Have you seen: http://www.365tomorrows.com/08/18/lolcats/ ?
[15:33] <Myrtti> LOLZ
[15:33] <Pici> :)
[15:45] <Pici> ...
[15:47] <nickrud> Myrtti, you should send alice to -offtopic ;)
[15:47] <ikonia> sorry Myrtti lag
[15:48] <nickrud> too late
[15:48] <Myrtti> ikonia: heads or tails?
[15:48] <ikonia> I'll remove now
[15:48] <Myrtti> :-D
[15:49] <ikonia> Myrtti: if you install phone apps to the SD card where do they get installed, I just stuck putty on my phone and can't find where it installed to on the memory card
[15:50] <Myrtti> you should get the icon somewhere
[15:50] <Myrtti> but if else fails, it should be on tools - memory
[15:50] <Myrtti> or something of the sort
[15:50] <Myrtti> (my phone is in Finnish)
[15:51] <LjjjL> my phone is in english
[15:51] <LjjjL> the first thing i always do on a phone i buy is to switch it to english...
[15:51] <ikonia> can't find the darn thing
[15:51] <LjjjL> i hate translations they're mostly silly
[15:52] <LjjjL> ikonia: what are you looking for?
[15:52] <ikonia> tools -> installation -> putty
[15:53] <LjjjL> ikonia: aren't apps in tools -> *applications*?
[15:53] <LjjjL> although i renamed that anyway
[15:53] <ikonia> I don't have applications
[15:53] <ikonia> I have tools installations
[15:53] <LjjjL> or Installed Apps or something
[15:53] <ikonia> just moved it to tools -> communication
[15:53] <ikonia> so I know where it is
[15:54] <Myrtti> LjjjL: mmm, well, Nokia has always had Finnish as an option, and probably also done by a native without translating
[15:54] <LjjjL> then i still don't know what you're looking for...
[15:54] <Myrtti> so Finnish in mobile phones is a natural choice for me
[15:54] <ikonia> LjjjL i was looking for where the putty installer dumped putty
[15:54] <LjjjL> Myrtti: they've also always had italian as an option, although i suspect it *is* translated...
[15:55] <LjjjL> Myrtti: but italian is clumsy, some phrases become too long and have to be abbreviated in ways i don't like
[15:55] <LjjjL> also, programs are often only in english
[15:56] <LjjjL> and i don't like to have a mixture of languages on my systems
[15:56] <LjjjL> (that goes for windows and linux too)
[15:57] <Myrtti> well, in my case it's always about what language was the language I learned to use the system with
[15:57] <Myrtti> Windows has to be in Finnish, Adobe / Macromedia products in English
[15:57] <Myrtti> same with Ubuntu
[15:58] <LjjjL> i go to great lengths to get English versions of Windows when i have to use it...
[15:59] <LjjjL> actually, doing Italian translations of Ubuntu is something i could and probably should help with... but i would be much more motivated if i actually *used* Italian versions of stuff to begin with
[16:01] <ikonia> LjjjL: your language skills are too good not to be used
[16:01] <LjjjL> ikonia: well it doesn't take a degree in languages to use an OS in any case
[16:02] <ikonia> no, but your fluent in multiple languages
[16:02] <LjjjL> stuff is always in the same places, if you paid attention to it you'd notice you probably don't actually look at the words on your menus etc
[16:02] <LjjjL> not really, i'm fluent in italian and in written english
[16:02] <LjjjL> knowledge of other languages is very patchy
[16:04] <Myrtti> LjjjL: I translate software to Finnish even if I don't use them in Finnish
[16:04] <Myrtti> as it's about the only thing I *can* do
[16:04] <Myrtti> apart from being a non-pushy open source zealot
[16:04] <Myrtti> and rambling on irc
[16:05]  * genii sips his coffee and thinks about non-pushy zealots
[16:05] <LjjjL> Myrtti: same here, *but* i'm lazy.
[16:06] <Myrtti> genii: "use emacs, vim, whatever rocks your boat. use comodo edit, if that's more of your thing. or Dreamweaver. Just as long as you know what you're doing, and get your work done in a way that suits you best"
[16:07] <Myrtti> I'm awfully utilitarian and sensible person.
[16:07] <Myrtti> "if you use emacs, I can help you with that"
[16:07] <Myrtti> (that's the zealot part)
[16:07] <genii> :)
[16:08] <Myrtti> oh, and it's Komodo Edit, not comodo edit.
[16:09]  * Pici is signing up for UDS, anyone else here going?
[16:10] <ikonia> Pici: I'd love to but would need a ticket to the states
[16:14] <Myrtti> I'll be on the European UDS
[16:14] <Myrtti> anyone else here going ;-)
[16:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: what's teh details
[16:16] <Myrtti> "sometime in the first half of 2009, in Europe"
[16:16] <ikonia> well, that narrows it down
[16:26] <Myrtti> foodzor
[16:31] <Myrtti> UGAAAAHHHHH
[16:31] <Myrtti> horrrrrrible coffee
[16:37] <genii> Where?
[16:41] <Myrtti> in my mug
[16:43]  * genii swaps Myrtti's horrible coffee for a nice strong batch instead
[16:43] <Myrtti> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/11/23/image/248513_Cobblestone%20path.gif
[16:43] <Myrtti> mwahaha
[17:18] <mneptok> Grue-mba
[17:26] <LjjjL> hey, floodbot says "dasmaze" was banned and is evading... is he?
[18:07] <ikonia> can't see any reason why floodbadots thinks dasmaze is evading
[18:07] <ikonia> ip is fine, nick is fine, ident is fine
[18:09] <Pici> ikonia: Because Myrtti banned *!*n=alice@*.adsl.alicedsl.de
[18:09] <Myrtti> er
[18:10] <Myrtti> THE BOTS ARE WRONG THEN
[18:10] <Pici> YES
[18:11] <ikonia> ah
[18:20] <Myrtti> jussi01: http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Dragondejavu&image_id=28711561
[18:21] <maxbaldwin> someone's joining #ubuntu and using !list repeatedly
[18:21] <maxbaldwin> on different clients
[18:21] <maxbaldwin> (n=gerry@host146-143-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it).
[18:21] <maxbaldwin> (n=opera@host146-143-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it).
[18:21] <maxbaldwin> etc.
[18:22] <ikonia> what nick ?
[18:22] <Myrtti> changes
[18:22] <maxbaldwin> yeah.
[18:22] <ikonia> ahh ferri
[18:22] <maxbaldwin> ferri
[18:22] <Myrtti> !list
[18:22] <maxbaldwin> Yrreg
[18:22] <maxbaldwin> etc
[18:22] <Myrtti> hmmmm.
[18:22] <ikonia> I'll keep an eye on it
[18:23] <maxbaldwin> thanks.
[18:23] <Myrtti> !software
[18:23] <Myrtti> !packages
[18:23] <Myrtti> I think list should be aliased to that ;-)
[19:13] <LjL> WHO SAYS MY BOTS ARE WRONG
[19:13] <ikonia> Pici: did Pici did 
[19:14] <ikonia> no me
[19:14] <ikonia> not me
[19:14] <LjL> picididpicididpidiciddidipic
[19:14] <LjL> nice tonguetwister
[19:19] <Pici> LjL: Myrtti did!
[19:19] <Tm_T> Pici: LIES!
[19:47] <Myrtti> @bansearch alice_
[19:47] <Myrtti> well?!
[19:47]  * Myrtti kicks ubottu
[19:47] <Myrtti> @login
[19:48] <Myrtti> @bansearch alice_
[19:48] <Myrtti> pft.
[19:48] <Myrtti> QED
[19:51] <mneptok> Alice pressed against the wall so she can see the door. In case the laughing strangers crawl and crush the petals on the floor. Alice in her party dress, she thanks you kindly, so serene. She needs you like she needs her tranqs; to tell her that the world is clean.
[19:52] <DJones> in case anybody hadn't noticed, andersonx is in #ubuntu and has posted sudo rm -f / 3 times in the last few minutes
[19:53] <mneptok> DJones: taken care of. thanks.
[19:53] <DJones> no probs
[20:11] <Myrtti> meh
[20:16] <mneptok> so, the primary reason i think Ursinha is sexy is that .... OH! HEY! hi there!
[20:16] <mneptok> O:)
[20:16] <Ursinha> hauhauhauhauha
[20:16] <Ursinha> lol
[20:17]  * mneptok invited Ursinha here so she can keep an eye on people like andersonx that are also idling in #ubuntu-br
[20:17] <Ursinha> mneptok, what could I do about that misbehaving user?
[20:17] <mneptok> ban him?
[20:17] <Ursinha> besides banning him from #ubuntu-br?
[20:17] <mneptok> that's all
[20:17] <Ursinha> fair enough :)
[20:17] <PriceChild> mneptok: that nick spelt correctly? I don't see it.
[20:17] <mneptok> PriceChild: gone now
[20:18] <mneptok> PriceChild: he dropped a few "rm -rf /"s into #ubuntu, and then left. he stayed for another 10m or so in #ubuntu-br.
[20:18] <PriceChild> bah yes, saw that earlier but "forgot"/
[20:18]  * mneptok then called the Canonical Brazilian Cavalry
[20:18] <PriceChild> trumpets?
[20:19] <Ursinha> hahahaha
[20:19] <mneptok> yes. the plastic, futbol variety
[20:19] <Ursinha> lol
[20:38]  * Myrtti starts to bounce a ball against the wall
[20:38] <LjL> Myrtti: but will it ever reach the wall?
[20:38] <Myrtti> *ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*
[20:38] <LjL> it will have to do half the distance first...
[20:38] <Pici> Like in 'The Great Escape'?
[20:38] <LjL> then it will certainly need to do half of the distance from where we left it, before the wall
[20:39] <Myrtti> hmmm?
[20:39] <Myrtti> *ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*
[20:39] <LjL> Myrtti: your so-called ball bouncing is an illusion of motion.
[20:39] <LjL> ILLUSION.
[20:39] <Myrtti> LjL: when have you last counted your fingers?
[20:40] <Myrtti> there's supposed to be five of them on each hand
[20:40] <Myrtti> not six
[20:40] <Myrtti> *ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*
[20:40] <LjL> Myrtti: but one of them is in my nose...
[20:41] <Myrtti> LjL: oh.
[20:42] <Myrtti> *ponk* *ponk* *TSUF*
[20:43] <Pici> Myrtti is the new Steve McQueen?
[20:43] <Myrtti> I'm just bored
[20:43] <Myrtti> @now Bogota
[20:44] <Ursinha> @now Recife
[20:45] <Ursinha> sweet
[21:21] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[21:22]  * mneptok tosses sleeping pills in Myrtti's mouth
[21:26] <Myrtti> I feel old.
[21:27] <Myrtti> A friend of mine commented the sentence "Chinese Democracy sucks!!!11" with "yeah, a friend of mine who lives in China told me he's been forced to use only gtalk because Skype was just recently blocked..."
[21:28] <Myrtti> and I just want to scream "NO YOU TWIT! NO NO NO! not *that* Chinese Democracy!"
[21:28] <mneptok> Myrtti: but ... but ... FREE DR PEPPER!
[21:29] <Myrtti> (I've not heard the album, the opinion it sucks wasn't mine)
[21:30] <PriceChild> There's only one kind of chinese democracy?
[21:30]  * Myrtti looks at PriceChild, looks at mneptok and stares PriceChild again
[21:31] <Myrtti> ARGH
[21:32] <Myrtti> I'll go and buy a walking cane tomorrow
[21:35] <Myrtti> but seriously, my brain hurts.
[21:39] <Myrtti> ATTENTION PLEASE: Please check and clear your banlist at #ubuntu!
[21:40] <Myrtti> there's currently 381, yes, three hundred eighty one bans there.
[21:42] <LjL> a few of us checked ours yesterday
[21:51] <jdong> IT'S OVER 9000 wait no it isn't.
[22:01] <Myrtti> I'm just doing a list with who has most bans at #ubuntu.
[22:04] <LjL> uh...
[22:05] <Ursinha> do you have problems with op criteria to ban people on #ubuntu?
[22:06] <LjL>      19 ikonia
[22:06] <LjL>      22 Pici
[22:06] <LjL>      23 FloodBot3
[22:06] <LjL>      24 reynolds.freenode.net
[22:06] <LjL>      35 FloodBot2
[22:06] <LjL>      35 jrib
[22:06] <LjL>      42 ompaul
[22:06] <LjL>      75 LjL
[22:06] <Pici> yay, hilights
[22:06] <LjL> it basically took my client longer to output it than to actually do the listing :P
[22:06] <LjL> Pici: yes, i know. you can kick me if you want.
[22:07] <Pici> nah
[22:07] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/76590/
[22:07] <LjL> Myrtti: you're late.
[22:08] <Myrtti> but I have more entries
[22:08] <LjL> Myrtti: i can have them too, i just thought i wouldn't highlight *everyone*.
[22:08] <Myrtti> and I didn't highlight people
[22:08] <LjL> only the worst offenders.
[22:08] <LjL> Myrtti: but i *wanted* to highlight some.
[22:09] <Myrtti> but as we can see, there's plenty of bans from floodbots and too old bans to be on the banlists
[22:09] <Myrtti> too old bans to be there by names of the banners
[22:09] <Myrtti> ie. by *.freenode.net
[22:10] <LjL> i would *not* remove the freenode.net bans, mostly.
[22:10] <LjL> most of them are pretty important.
[22:10] <Myrtti> should these be reviewed?
[22:10] <Myrtti> check if they're on the bantracker, atleast
[22:11] <LjL> Myrtti: there are some that should just be left there. there are others that can probably be removed... since ChanServ would automatically reinstate them on a join, anyway.
[22:12] <Myrtti> also, should someone check ompaul's bans?
[22:12] <LjL> they're weird as they're mostly bans on ident or nick.
[22:12] <LjL> when *i* ban on ident or nick, that's generally a serious ban. don't know about ompaul's.
[22:12] <Myrtti> ok.
[22:13] <Myrtti> I'll check the first ten that are still there according to bantracker
[22:13] <LjL> i'd start by removing old banforwards to #ubuntu-ops
[22:13] <LjL> when one banforwards to #ubuntu-ops, it's generally a lesser sin
[22:14] <LjL> jrib has a few of them for instance, and they're old
[22:14] <LjL> ikonia's got some too
[22:16] <Myrtti> we're now down to 375
[22:17] <LjL> well, those were my own bans that i feel comfortable removing. i generally don't remove bans that are newer than a month
[22:17] <LjL> i suppose i can make an exception if we really need slots that badly.
[22:18] <Myrtti> I think that's good
[22:18] <Myrtti> ie. no need now
[22:20] <Myrtti> most of ompauls bans seem to be legit
[22:20] <Myrtti> atleast those by ident or nick
[22:20] <Myrtti> those with ip address I'm not sure of
[22:20] <LjL> Myrtti, many of them are clearly done with the chanserv script, so they're redundant (ban both on ident and nick). perhaps the ones on the nick can be removed and only the ident ones left.
[22:22] <Myrtti> LjL: otoh, those are also those I'd regard as permabans...
[22:22] <LjL> Myrtti: well, a permban is technically one that's in chanserv...
[22:22] <LjL> but yes, somewhat
[22:22] <LjL> still, leaving the ident ones would mostly work to "remember" them
[22:23]  * Myrtti considers firing xchat
[22:24] <Myrtti> OMG I just got a sudden urge for a strawberry ice popsicle with chocolate...
[22:24] <Myrtti> ;___;
[22:24] <LjL> Myrtti: tell you what, i remove the ones on nicknames and log a BT comment for each of them, saying that they're still active on the ident and were just removed for technical reasons
[22:24] <Myrtti> LjL: mm, sounds good
[22:25] <LjL> Myrtti: on second thought though... at the end of the day, that's just 5 bans
[22:26] <Myrtti> I had a thought. It escaped me
[22:35] <LjL> pici, we have a *mute* on 83.230 now...?
[22:35] <LjL> that's why the ones i've seen lately didn't talk...
[23:20] <Pici> LjL: It been like that for quite a while
[23:24] <LjL> Pici: what was wrong with my redirect to #ubuntu-graylist?
[23:25] <Pici> LjL: I forget why it was changed/removed
[23:26] <LjL> Pici: if we want them to "have a chance", at least -graylist tells them what's going on... even a ban makes things clear (although it won't let them know where to go ask), but a mute probably doesn't even let them see they're speaking in vain...?
[23:26] <Pici> LjL: Go ahead and change it.
[23:30]  * Myrtti yawns and decides to give up
[23:31] <Myrtti> good night
[23:33] <Pici> Goodnight Myrtti 
[23:34] <Pici> 12:48 <Pici> Hmm.. Werent we forwarding the 83.230 crowd to #ubuntu-greylist ?                                                             
[23:34] <Pici> 12:49 <Pici> I've re-muted it for now. 
[23:34] <Pici> from my -ops logs before I enabled timestamps that actually help
[23:35] <LjL> ok
[23:35] <LjL> Pici: was probably the result of an indiscriminate bans spring cleaning :>
[23:37] <Pici> LjL: My logs say it was ompaul, but you're right, it looks like he was just doing some cleaning of bans.
[23:38] <LjL> Pici: right, when ompaul starts with the spring cleanings, there's no stopping him
[23:41] <LjL> stdin, undesired behavior here...
[23:41] <LjL> [00:40:56] <LjL> !gparted > NoIdeaMan    (NoIdeaMan, see the private message from ubottu) this is such a partitioning tool
[23:41] <LjL> [00:40:58] <ubottu> I'll remember that, LjL