[00:00] <Deeps> you need to login using the mysql root password, not the system root password
[00:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> has anyone got personal experiance with dovcot vs courier for imap? i was told dovcot had in built duplicate checking, and "other goodies". i'm wondering if someone can attest to it from personal experiance
[00:18] <Ahmuck> marshall: ur mysql installation needs a root user and password iirc
[00:19] <Ahmuck> which iirc, is set up when you set up mysql
[00:19] <marshall> iirc?
[00:19] <andguent> if i recall correctly
[00:19] <andguent> ==iirc
[00:19] <marshall> i think i set a mysql password when i installed ubuntu server
[00:20] <hackeron> hey, how do I get exim to listen on port 587? -- I tried to add daemon_smtp_ports = smtp : 587 to /etc/exim/conf.d/main/00_local_settings and restarted exim, but it still only listens on port 25 - any ideas?
[01:05] <hackeron> anyone? hey, how do I get exim to listen on port 587? -- I tried to add daemon_smtp_ports = smtp : 587 to /etc/exim/conf.d/main/00_local_settings and restarted exim, but it still only listens on port 25 - any ideas?
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hackeron, have you run dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low exim4-config ? you may see the option in there
[01:09]  * Kamping_Kaiser hasnt tried, so no useful input from me unfortunately
[01:10] <hackeron> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, I have
[01:10] <marshall> andguent, i believe i set my mysql password when i installed it as part of LAMP
[01:10] <andguent> honestly I've never needed it, I assume you are trying to setup a custom email server at home to pass traffic through
[01:10] <hackeron> andguent: yep :)
[01:11] <andguent> hackeron: sorry, i dont know anything more then google does, never rolled my own server, always went gmail or zimbra
[01:12] <andguent> marshall: Sorry i never saw your original question, i signed in half way through the troubleshooting. What are you trying to do?
[01:12] <hackeron> andguent: well, I'm actually trying it to just relay email to my gmail - but I dont want to put my gmail password on every host.
[01:13] <andguent> ah, gotcha, i assume multiple linux servers all forwarding to your one master server?
[01:13] <hackeron> andguent: exactly :)
[01:14] <hackeron> andguent: but port 25 is often blocked, so I need my exim daemon to listen to 587 also
[01:14] <andguent> I'm lazy, if it were me I would just setup a throw away gmail account
[01:14] <marshall> andguent, i installed apache, php, mysql and phpmyadmin, im getting access denied for user (user)@(localhost) for both my regular account and my root accounts
[01:15] <andguent> marshall: trying from command line or something else?
[01:15] <hackeron> andguent: so, one jut pointing the servers to my server where I can just useradd server1 -- or going through a full gmail registration, confirmation, creating self signed certificate on server, etc, etc?
[01:15] <marshall> andguent, command line and phpmyadmin
[01:17] <andguent> hackeron: i always use ssmtp for outbound email sending, more specifically for pushing script error messages. I'm only suggesting this way because I don't know exim or sendmail at all -- I've never needed to make a cert or any of that to send through gmail
[01:17] <andguent> marshall: when doing command line, can you post your exact command you are trying to use to get in?
[01:17] <andguent> marshall: what else have you tried to gain access? have you tried any password recovery options yet?
[01:17] <marshall> im able to get in when i do a regular mysql
[01:17] <marshall> but if i try to do mysql -u root
[01:17] <marshall> i get access denied for user
[01:18] <marshall> how am I supposed to set up mysql, i did everything pretty much how i was instructed to
[01:18] <marshall> this is a fresh LAMP install
[01:18] <marshall> then i installed phpmyadmin
[01:18] <hackeron> andguent: hmmm? - I get your IP is dynamic and cannot be used
[01:19] <andguent> hackeron: exim or ssmtp?
[01:20] <hackeron> andguent: well, postfix, lol - but I want to try exim
[01:20] <andguent> marshall: gotcha, let me find some root password reset options... i'm basically just going to google for mysql root password reset
[01:20] <marshall> andguent, thanks
[01:23] <marshall> andguent, ok, i got in when i used 'root' and the password i set before
[01:23] <marshall> andguent, sorry for hte trouble
[01:23] <andguent> marshall: no worries, glad you got in
[01:24] <marshall> andguent, is it possible to add my user account to the mysql admin?
[01:24] <andguent> if you ever have additional password issues, use "FLUSH PRIVILAGES;" like salt is used on ham, its saved some hair pulling for me before
[01:25] <andguent> what do you mean by 'mysql admin'?
[02:50] <alienseer23> how do I restart the "named" service when there is no "/etc/init.d/ named" ? I am trying to set up a dynamic dns service and I apparently need t0 "/etc/init.d/named restart" anyone help?
[02:51] <alienseer23> do I just substitute bind for named in that line, then?
[02:55] <hackeron> alienseer23: erm, /etc/init.d/bind9 restart ?
[02:56] <alienseer23> if i stop bind9, I can still use the named command
[02:56] <alienseer23> I need to be able to start and stop named?
[02:57] <alienseer23> I am attempting to use the bind9 dynamic dns server for webmin
[02:58] <hackeron> alienseer23: erm, what? -- bind9/named is the same thing
[03:00] <alienseer23> if i /etc/init.d/bind9 stop" and then type in named "anyting" I get response, is this normal?
[03:02] <alienseer23> this is why I don't understand...the program calls for the path to "Command to start named", and this should be /etc/init.d/bind9 start" right?
[03:08] <jmarsden> alienseer23: You may be confused... why are you typing in     named "anything"  ??  WHat are you trying to do when you type that?
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[04:01] <[gquit]bombadil> if postfix is the default MTA for ubuntu, why do the packages for nagios and mailman install exim4 by default?
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> do they depend on exim4 ?
[04:06] <jmarsden> Kamping_Kaiser: Yes, mailman has:  Depends: adduser, apache2 | httpd, cron, exim4 | mail-transport-agent, libc6 (>= 2.4), logrotate, lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), pwgen, python (>= 2.3), python-support (>= 0.7.1), ucf
[04:06] <jmarsden> I think that's probably a packaging bug?
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmarsden, if postfix is already installed its a bug, if there was no existing mta, then exim would have got installed
[04:15] <jmarsden> Kamping_Kaiser: If postfix was already installed, it would satisfy the mail-transport-agent requirement so exim4 would not then be installed.
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmarsden, i would have thought that.
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmarsden, does mailman do the or depends as well?
[04:18] <jmarsden> Mailman's Depends I posted earlier.  Did not yet check nagios...
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> er, sorry. nagios.
[04:19] <alienseer23> jmarsden: when I type in "named help" or anything after named, it gives me a response,  was under the impression that if I stopped the bind9 service that any named shouldn't give back output?
[04:19] <jmarsden> alienseer23: When you stop named, it isn't running.  When you then type named as a command, you run it... what are you trying to do here?
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you stop named it will stop listening for dns requests
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> by running named --help, your starting it again
[04:21] <alienseer23> so to start and stop named, I can use the command "/etc/init.d/bind9 start" or stop, yes the executable is still just 'named'...?
[04:21] <jmarsden> Kamping_Kaiser: nagios3 depends on nagios3-common which depends on bsd-mailx which says:  Depends: base-files (>= 2.2.0), exim4 | mail-transport-agent, libc6 (>= 2.4), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0)
[04:21] <jmarsden> alienseer23: Yes.
[04:21] <alienseer23> jmarsden: I am trying to configure a bind 9 dynamic dns server module for webmin
[04:22] <alienseer23> thank you :D
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmarsden, i cant see why exim would be getting installed then. perhaps try `aptitude why exim4` (iirc that tells you the dependancy tree)
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shudder* webmin
[04:23] <jmarsden> Kamping_Kaiser: I think [gquit]bombadil was installing them with no MTA on his system, and in that case the instaler will pick the first one listed in an "or" depend to satisfy it.
[04:23] <jmarsden> Kamping_Kaiser: The solution is to install postfix first, then install mailman or nagios.
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmarsden, nod. i'm supprised an ubuntu server ships with no mta
[04:24] <alienseer23> Kamping_Kaiser: I would ditch webmin all together if I could find another webbased bind9 administration tool/control panel that worked with dynamic dns.
[04:25] <alienseer23> goal is to let people sign up to use a name server with dynamic dns capabilities ((climbing the learning curve))
[04:25] <jmarsden> alienseer23: Why would your webmin module want you to be typing anything close to named "anything" at the command prompt?  I suspect you are not doing what it wants you to?
[04:26] <jmarsden> Kamping_Kaiser: Security -- why have open ports you may not want open in a default install?
[04:26] <alienseer23> jmarsden: I meant I could type in "named" and getno outpur, but if I put anything at all after it then I would get output
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> jmarsden, because it doesnt have to listen externally, it just has to be there (including for things like not having exim4 accidentally installed, or sending email from the server)
[04:27] <jmarsden> alienseer23: man named to understand that
[04:27] <alienseer23> k
[04:27] <jmarsden> But basically you don't want to do either one of those things.
[04:28] <alienseer23> k
[04:28] <jmarsden> Start it from the init script, and if you need to modify its parameters edit /etc/default/bind9
[04:29] <alienseer23> yeah, so far so good, just the named/bind9 dual identity thing had me a bit confused for a sec
[04:30] <jmarsden> binary program name == named, package name and so init script name = bind9
[04:30] <alienseer23> sense!
[04:31] <alienseer23> I've been banging my head about the keyboard for a few hours, perhaps my true mistake is that I refuse to take breaks
[04:31] <jmarsden> Probably ;)  So now you have discovered that piece of wisdom... take a break?
[04:31] <alienseer23> yes
[04:32] <alienseer23> I may have..let's see if I listen :D
[05:27] <LoveGuru> Hi, Need Some help with squid/apache i m running website at my linux box now im trying to open my website but its working now gave me error in return can someoone help with " http://paste.ubuntu.com/76266/ " thanks.
[05:28] <LoveGuru> *not working
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[07:37] <nme> is console-kit-daemon required to work?
[08:16] <uvirtbot> New bug: #301542 in nagios3 (main) "Bypass auth checks in Nagios (CVE-2008-5027, CVE-2008-5028)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301542
[08:34] <arooni-mobile> i have 12G of hard drive space on a new installation, with 360MB of ram.  how big should swap be?
[08:35] <jmarsden> arooni-mobile: Anywhere from about 360MB to 2GB depending on what you will use the machine to do
[08:35] <arooni-mobile> jmarsden, i want it to take over the world
[08:36] <jmarsden> Probably 2GB will not be sufficient, make multiple swap partitions :-)
[08:36] <arooni-mobile> jmarsden, hehe
[08:36] <arooni-mobile> aweosme
[08:36] <jmarsden> Seriously -- if you want to run Eclipse and compile OpenOffice, you'll want plenty of swap (and plenty of hours...)... for normal use, you can use less swap
[08:37] <jmarsden> CAn you afford 1GB for swap?  That's probably plenty for a normal use "desktop" type install
[08:38] <jmarsden> 360MB is a strange number... is this a virtual machine?
[08:53] <arooni-mobile> yes
[08:53] <arooni-mobile> chasetoys is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported. ;;; how do i add that user to the sudoers
[08:53] <arooni-mobile> jmarsden, its what my client wants
[08:53] <arooni-mobile> cheap
[08:53] <arooni-mobile> ha
[08:54] <lukehasnoname> run visudo and add chasetoys to the admin group
[08:54] <lukehasnoname> er
[08:54] <lukehasnoname> or
[08:54] <lukehasnoname> scratch that.
[08:54] <lukehasnoname> "usermod -aG admin chasetoys" I think
[08:55] <lukehasnoname> double check that. Everyone in the admin group has full sudo privledges.
[08:57] <jmarsden> adduser chasetoys admin     # should also work -- see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Allowing%20other%20users%20to%20run%20sudo
[09:31] <sannnn> I'm trying to do exactly this but I want to log the results to a text file: https://forum.bytemark.co.uk/viewtopic.php?pid=1937 Anyone got an idea?
[10:06] <moo---> namaste
[10:09] <jmarsden> Shalom
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[11:17] <bugfixe1> hai all, just join this room
[11:17] <bugfixe1> never chat before in this room
[11:17] <bugfixe1> let me introduce my self
[11:18] <bugfixe1> my name salman, has join ubuntu-server for a while but not so active
[11:19] <LoveGuru> from ?
[11:19] <bugfixe1> thanks for you time!
[11:19] <bugfixe1> my origin country you mean?
[11:19] <LoveGuru> ya
[11:19] <bugfixe1> indonesia
[11:20] <LoveGuru> ummm
[11:20] <LoveGuru> what about now / where are ya right now ?
[11:20] <bugfixe1> solo
[11:20] <nme> single?
[11:21] <LoveGuru> lo0ol
[11:21] <nme> ;]
[11:21] <bugfixe1> nop! have 2 children!
[11:21] <bugfixe1> :)
[11:21] <LoveGuru> kool:>
[11:21] <LoveGuru> bugfixe1 u know what bachay 2 hi achay :\
[11:22] <uvirtbot> New bug: #298928 in openldap (main) "apt-get produce an error when I tray install or unisntall slapd" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298928
[11:23] <LoveGuru> so salman what do ya do ?
[11:24] <nme> he is typing?
[11:25] <bugfixe1> :D
[11:25] <bugfixe1> yeps, hanging around this room!
[11:26] <nme> guys, seriously, did you notice console-kit-daemon takes waaay too much cpu time at ubuntu-server 8.10?
[11:27] <bugfixe1> any one here use 8.10 in production environment?
[11:27] <LoveGuru> nme: nice j0ke :) well thanks! for entertaining :p
[11:29] <nme> bugfixe1: "kind-of" production environment, 1 real server for my part-time job after my real job ;) and 1 virtual server for ldap testing purposes
[11:30] <nme> as for me, too much of bleeding edge for production
[11:39] <bugfixe1> yeps
[11:39] <bugfixe1> currently i still use 8.04 LTS
[12:46] <[gquit]bombadil> jmarsden: if ubuntu wants to make postfix their default mta, shouldn't it be specified explicitly for all packages that require an mta?
[12:47] <lamont> [gquit]bombadil: ETOOMUCHWORK
[12:48] <lamont> the longer term plan is to push a 'default-mail-transport-agent' package upstream, and have _that_ depend on postfix or exim4 depending on which distro
[12:48] <lamont> because for many of the packages, the MTA name would be the only change from debian
[13:03] <uvirtbot> New bug: #286427 in tomcat6 (main) "Tomcat 6 should not require Java 6 " [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286427
[13:03] <uvirtbot> New bug: #299436 in tomcat6 (main) "Tomcat 6 should not implement the TearDown spec" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299436
[13:09] <Skyfury> hi there! can anyone give me a hint to make my opencv compiling with libtools 2.2 again?
[13:35] <aleka> Running Ubuntu-server 8.10 > I am trying to get LDAP Authentication to work with my install of MediaWiki. I have installed the php5-ldap package and put a TLS cert in /etc/ssl/certs , how do I tell the openldap plugin where the certificate is? I have tried adding <<TLS_CACERT = '/etc/ssl/certs/my_cert_ca.pem' >> in /etc/ssh/openssl.cnf but seems like that is not working
[13:37] <aleka> Does this cert need to be symlinked to /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/* like the others in /etc/ssl/certs/?
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[14:59] <nme> aleka: have you included keys in ldap config? olcTLS* ?
[15:12] <uvirtbot> New bug: #279645 in tomcat6 (main) "libservlet2.5-java has no javadocs" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279645
[15:13] <kraut> is there any working shell like scponly, where i could define an umask?
[15:18] <aleka> nme: The LDAP server is not locally on my Ubuntu machine... I am connecting to a Novell eDirectory server'
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[15:49]  * Faust-C wishes he had eDir
[16:00] <feve1> hi
[16:01] <feve1> I am learning about ubuntu-server and im trying to get proxy squid working. It all went well till now that ive tried to get auth working.. I cant understand what im supposed to do from the squid.conf, would anybody be so kind as to give me a helpng hand?
[16:06] <uvirtbot> New bug: #283852 in tomcat6 (main) "tomcat6 does not include tomcat-dbcp.jar" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283852
[16:13] <Faust-C> feve1, have you looked at wiki?
[16:13] <Faust-C> and imo it would be simpler to use transparent proxy
[16:29] <daszorz> hey there
[16:43] <marshall> for some reason, my apache doesnt want to serve .png images
[16:45] <tonyyarusso> marshall: what's it do instead?
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[16:52] <marshall> tonyyarusso, when i try to access the image itself i get forbidden
[16:52] <tonyyarusso> marshall: And you're *sure* the file permissions are correct?
[16:53] <marshall> i put the file on the server under my username
[16:54] <marshall> ok... the web doesnt recognize me as jeff i guess
[16:54] <tonyyarusso> marshall: Can you give me the output of ls -l for the file?
[16:54] <marshall> i changed the permissions and they work properly now
[16:54] <tonyyarusso> :)
[16:55] <Faust-C> speaking of apache
[16:55] <Faust-C> i need to create a VM
[16:55] <Faust-C> im using ubuntu over SLES
[16:55] <Faust-C> need to get started asap
[16:55] <marshall> i dont want to have to change all the permissions by hand every time though, how do i avoid this?
[16:56] <Faust-C> marshall, you can set it in apache.conf iirc
[16:57] <uvirtbot> New bug: #297367 in samba (main) "Samba files open as locked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297367
[16:58] <gabbler> hi does anyone know anything about software raid and grub
[16:59] <Faust-C> gabbler, what do you want to know
[17:01] <gabbler> faust-c, hi, i have got ubuntu server running on a two disk software raid solution and i have read that grub will be installed on one of the root drives but not the other, i assume i need to install grub on this other drive so if the primary goes down (with grub) the other will still function if it has to reboot
[17:02] <Faust-C> gabbler, ic
[17:02] <Faust-C> hmm im in a similair boat
[17:02] <gabbler> faust-c, i need to know how to find out where grub is and then install it on the other root drive
[17:02] <gabbler> oh :)
[17:02] <Faust-C> but from what ive read youll boot up live cd and re-install grub
[17:02] <Faust-C> you can find out where it is by filesystem type
[17:03] <Faust-C> md will be raid and grub will be ext2 (default file system)
[17:03] <gabbler> so how could i find out if it is on md0 or md1?
[17:06] <Faust-C> it wont be on either
[17:06] <Faust-C> grub is outside of raid isnt it (or is that LVM)
[17:06] <gabbler> apparently fromwhat i have read it is in raid 1 which is what i have chosen
[17:07] <gabbler> and yea lvm doesn't support grub or the boot folder
[17:09] <gabbler> faust-c, i have to go but if i find out anythin i will let you know :)
[17:09] <Faust-C> k thx
[17:09] <marshall> Faust-C, whats an iirc
[17:10] <Faust-C> if i recall correctly
[17:12] <marshall> ok
[17:22] <marshall> Faust-C, how do i change that in my apache.conf
[17:22] <Faust-C> idk off the top of my head
[17:24] <marshall> if i pastebin my apache.conf, do you think you could tell me?
[17:24] <genii> You're using 1.3.xx ?
[17:25] <marshall> genii, me?
[17:25] <genii> marshall: Yes
[17:25] <marshall> apache2
[17:26] <genii> marshall: Then the releveant files will be: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf  /etc/apache2/ports.conf /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[17:29] <marshall> genii, im trying to make it so when i transfer a png image into my /var/www directory I dont have to change the permissions myself every time
[17:31] <mpi> hi lads, is it possible to know if a specific package is planned to be upgraded/backported to hardy, or is it possible to vote for the upgrade?
[17:31] <genii> marshall: If you make the user who adds to the /var/www   a member of group www-data     they should be able to add there with write mask of 750,755 or such
[17:34] <marshall> genii, i changed the owner of /var/www to jeff (myself)
[17:35] <marshall> does that make a difference?
[17:35] <genii> marshall: That is not a tactic which is good
[17:35] <genii> marshall: The reserved user www-data is for this purpose.
[17:36] <marshall> genii, how come?
[17:36] <marshall> o
[17:36] <marshall> should i change the owner back to root?
[17:36] <marshall> then add myself to www-data?
[17:36] <genii> marshall: web browser for instance is as user www-data         and so on
[17:36] <genii> marshall: Yes
[17:38] <marshall> genii, i will be able to upload stuff via ssh in this group?
[17:38] <genii> marshall: You can also study how virtual server dirs are set up in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default            to allow execute, etc
[17:38] <marshall> genii, hmm
[17:38] <genii> marshall: Yes, once "jeff" is in group www-data   if you ssh in as that, it will have write privs to /var/www
[17:39] <marshall> ok
[17:39] <zoopster> mpi: you can search launchpad as it would be published there and you can enter a upgrade request on launchpad for said package as far as I know.
[17:41] <mpi> zoopster, thanks! Ive found my way to the launchpad ubuntu-backports site and am currently filing a request...
[17:41] <marshall> whats the command to add myself to a group again?
[17:42] <genii> marshall: sudo usermod -G newgroupname -a username
[17:42] <genii> Or the -a at end
[17:43] <genii> marshall: My syntax of it may be rusty, I'm normally just editing /etc/group
[17:55] <marshall> genii, i think i added myself to www-data but now when i try to access my png in the browser it says im forbidden again
[17:55] <marshall> genii, i changed the owner of /var/www back to root
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[17:57] <Deeps> check the permissions on the file
[17:57] <genii> marshall: What says result:  ls -l /var/www/pngfilename.png               ?
[17:57] <Deeps> www-data user needs to be able to read the file
[17:59] <marshall> genii, -rw------- 1 jeff jeff 39625 2008-11-24 12:32 ./me/bg.png
[18:00] <genii> marshall: You might want to +r them there, or use an umask
[19:36] <zoopster> I take it no one using Macbook Pro's and 8.10 are having this problem? DMA: Out of SW-IOMMU space for 4224 bytes at device 0000:0b:00.0
[19:37] <zoopster> nijaba: This is the error we saw on my Mac this week
[19:37] <kirkland> zoopster: i'm not sure you'll get the best return-on-investment asking that question in this channel
[19:38] <kirkland> zoopster: i'd start by searching Launchpad, which you can do from http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html
[19:38] <zoopster> bummer
[19:38] <zoopster> it's already at kernel.org
[19:38] <zoopster> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11811
[19:38] <uvirtbot> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 11811 in network-wireless "ath9k / DMA: Out of SW-IOMMU space for 4224 bytes at device 0000:0b:00.0" [High,Assigned]
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[21:21] <slicslak> looking for backup suggestions...  multiple servers need incremental multi-day backups in a production environment.  backups will be done over nfs or rsync to a backup server.  what are you guys using?  a solution such as amanda, backuppc?  or are you rolling your own rsync scripts?
[21:22] <Deeps> !backup | slicslak
[21:22] <ubottu> slicslak: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[21:22] <Nafallo> backuppc is sweet
[21:25]  * hads likes rdiff-backup
[21:27] <slicslak> haven't heard of that one
[21:27] <slicslak> i recall rsnapshot being pretty nice.  backuppc looks like it has some nice guis to impress management.  :)
[21:33] <hads> rdiff-backup is like rsnapshot except it (rdiff-backup) stores diffs of files rather than hard links so can save a lot of space depending on what you are backing up. The trade-off being a little longer run time.
[21:33] <hads> But if you're looking for GUIs etc. then it won't impress management.
[21:40] <Faust-C> dar
[21:41] <Faust-C> i just dont like that it seems as if most opensource backup solutions are tedious to setup and maintain
[21:42] <jmarsden|work> Faust-C: Which commercial closed source ones are fun to set up and maintain? ;)
[21:42] <hads> *shrug* seems the opposite to me.
[21:42] <Faust-C> jmarsden|work, atm i dont like either
[21:42] <Faust-C> i still havent found anything that i would like to use w/ users and servers
[21:45] <jmarsden|work> Sounds like you have very specific needs.  There are a lot of reasonable choices out there.  Bacula?  Amanda?  http://www.restore-backup.com/ even?
[21:45] <Faust-C> yeah im looking at those 2
[21:45] <Faust-C> primary issue is training co-workers
[21:45] <Faust-C> i can use anything, but that cant be said for my peers
[21:49] <Faust-C> jmarsden|work, thanks for that link
[21:49] <Faust-C> never heard of that before
[21:50] <jmarsden|work> Faust-C: No problem.
[22:50] <Kl4m> Hi, I virtualized a Ubuntu 7.10 server into vmware server and I need it to configure the pcnet32 card (or should  it be vmxnet?). Can anyone help with with this?
[23:21] <Kl4m> problem solved: cleared /etc/udev/rules.d/70-...net...;  replaced eth1 with eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces; restarted udev and networking.
[23:35] <slicslak> cool, thanks for the discussion (re: backup) guys.  i'll evaluate a few next and make a decision.