[00:04] <birnisson> hi, maybe a faq but are there going to be kde 4.2 beta packages?
[00:05] <Arby> birnisson: yes, we're working on them now
[00:07] <birnisson> Arby: awesome, thanks! looking forward to them
[00:07] <a|wen> Arby: where are they going to be put; PPA or -backports ?
[00:08] <Arby> a|wen: ppa I think but not sure, and possibly jaunty only
[00:08] <Arby> JontheEchidna is coordinating
[00:08] <seele> ergh.. akregator is eating my rss
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> 4.2 beta2 packages are going in to Jaunty first
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> and then into the kubuntu-experimental PPA as time allows
[00:10] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: okay, thx ... did you sort out your libmsn problem?
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> that's not really a problem, just a piece of software that needs packaging
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> probably no way we're going to have it available by tomorrow so kopete'll go msn-less for a bit
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> I claim the "zomg it is teh alphaz" excuse :P
[00:12] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: if it's going into a PPA anyway, why not grab http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libmsn/ ?
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> ooh
[00:12] <a|wen> it has been through a few iterations on the debian-mentors list and looks pretty sane
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> less work for me :D
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> debian++
[00:13] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: not less work, just more time for kde packaging :P :)
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> ha, right you are
[00:16] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: and there is even a good chance it get's into unstable for us to sync at our pleasure when we'll need it "in the real archive"
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> lool: you will be glad to hear that kdesdk 4.1.80 builds fine :-)
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> hopefully we can upload tomorrow
[00:34] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: you wanted libmsn for jaunty, right?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> ya
[00:35]  * a|wen just finetunes the one from debian mentors
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> <3
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> That way we only have to worry about syncing it/getting an MIR for it before the next alpha
[00:39] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: yeah ... one easy and one a bit harder
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> I've gotten a package MIR'd before. It was a small self-contained plasmoid though :P
[00:46] <a|wen> got one of my package that i maintain in debian MIR'd as well ... but don't know how it happened :)
[00:49]  * NCommander has written MIRs
[00:49] <NCommander> They aren't hard
[00:49] <NCommander> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libiris_ksirk.so.2 needed by debian/ksirk/usr/games/ksirk (its RPATH is '').
[00:49] <NCommander> ARGH
[01:06] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: for your pleasure http://awen.dk/packages/libmsn/
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[01:11] <a|wen> my pleasure
[01:11]  * a|wen will hit bed now ... see you all tomorrow
[01:21] <jjesse> anyone having problems installing jaunty alpha1?
[01:23]  * JontheEchidna didn't even try installing it
[03:06] <DreadKnight> i have a huge problem
[03:06] <DreadKnight> when i am tring to open something in gimp it just dissappears / crashes
[03:08] <DreadKnight> http://pastebin.com/m26780397
[03:08] <DreadKnight> that's my error log
[03:52] <metellius> is there a daily trunk kde snapshot repository available somewhere? I have things in ark that I need to align together with the rest of 4.2, but my poor little laptop doesn't like compiling for several hours.
[03:58] <ScottK-laptop> metellius: I think project Neon builds nightlys for KDE.
[04:49] <metellius> thanks, I'll check it out
[05:17] <yuriy> anybody else still on kde4 on hardy?
[05:17] <yuriy> i'm getting most of the config modules missing in konqueror
[05:43] <yuriy> apt-file gives me konqueror-kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/kcm_css.so
[05:43] <yuriy> but I don't have that file
[05:43] <yuriy> as an example of the above
[05:54] <yuriy> but apt-file can't pull info from ppa
[10:09] <Nightrose> yuriy: my eeepc is on hardy still - want me to check something?
[12:31] <apachelogger> neversfelde: official backport should arrive in intrepid-backports soon
[14:19] <lool> JontheEchidna: thanks for the note!
[15:09] <TekkieFreak> bbl
[16:07] <nixternal> rgreening: I see you are my roommate :)
[16:19] <rgreening> nixternal: \o/
[16:19] <rgreening> :P
[17:07] <yuriy> Nightrose: yeah could you see if all the settings in konqueror are there?
[17:07] <yuriy> if you're on 4.1
[17:07] <rgreening> yuiry: remember a while back, we talked about KlamAv and porting to KDE4?
[17:08] <yuriy> vaguely
[17:08] <rgreening> yuriy: I was wondering if it instead made sense to write a python front-end instead?
[17:08] <yuriy> dunno, I don't recall saying I'd do it, maybe I said I'd help a little if someone else was working on it?
[17:09] <rgreening> yuriy: that was to help me :)
[17:09] <yuriy> ah
[17:09] <Nightrose> yuriy: 4.1.3 should be on the eeepc - let me boot it
[17:10] <cbr> will we see the 4.2 beta soon?
[17:13] <Nightrose> yuriy: looks ok here
[17:15] <ScottK> cbr: Yes (for Jaunty first).
[17:15] <cbr> when?
[17:15] <cbr> i'm just anxious :)
[17:15] <ScottK> When it's done, which should be soonish.
[17:19] <ScottK> rgreening: Fundamentally klamav needs porting and upstream doesn't seem to have a lot of time for klamav.  It'd be cool if someone here got interested, but I don't think something pythonish would solve the problem.
[17:20] <yuriy> oh why not?
[17:21] <ScottK> I guess if you want to re-implement the whole thing in Python, it would.
[17:25] <yuriy> Nightrose: actually, I only have 4.1.2 here.. is 4.1.3 not in the same repo?
[17:26] <yuriy> and apt-cache and aptitude show me different versions @_@
[17:30] <rgreening> ScottK: that's what I was thinking, a new app in python that could superceed KlamAv... Not sure which would be easier for me to implement at this time.
[17:33] <apachelogger> ~np
[17:33] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "The Stars (AC Slater remix)" by Moby
[17:35] <ScottK> rgreening: It'd be pretty complex as klamav supports on-access file scanning using the dazuko kernel modules.  I've got that patched out of the Debian/Ubuntu packages as getting those modules into one of our kernels is 'non-trivial'.
[17:35] <ScottK> If it was going to be a true replacement, it'd have to do that.
[17:36] <ScottK> Currently klamav is pretty widely packaged and distros pass clamav integration patches around a lot.
[17:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: shouldn't that kernel stuff be a lot easier with dkms?
[17:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Probably for someone who understood anything about the kernel.
[17:37] <apachelogger> :)
[17:37] <rgreening> lol
[17:39] <rgreening> porting is not trivial to someone who doesn't a) understand the app inside and out and 2) who is not familiar with all the nuances/differences between 3.x and 4.x. That sort of why I though a ground up approach might actually be easier for me. However, I may take another stab at what it would take to port. I had started the work on porting and got stuck... haven't had a chance to veer back to it.
[17:40] <apachelogger> there is tons of documentation on KDE 3 => KDE 4 and Qt 3 => Qt 4
[17:40] <ScottK> OK.  Maybe if you can get to a certain point, then we can ask questions upstream.
[17:40] <apachelogger> also using git it should be fairly easly to not break everything at once ;-)
[18:09] <ScottK> We keep the KDE CDBS stuff in kde4libs, right?
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kde4.mk is in cdbs itself
[18:11] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:11] <ScottK> OK.
[18:14] <manchicken> bobesponja: Nice handle :)
[18:16] <bobesponja> manchicken: thanks
[18:33] <devilsadvocate> Intrepid Ibex is amazing. Really, Kubuntu and Xubuntu. I admit I was a bit worried after Hardy, but trying out Intrepid made my day. Thank you all for the great work.
[18:44] <ScottK> devilsadvocate: Thanks.  Glad to hear it.
[18:45] <devilsadvocate> considering how whenever i say something here its to bitch about something, i felt i should come over and say that
[18:47] <manchicken> Heh, that's funny.
[18:55] <manchicken> Does the latest NM support openvpn?
[19:46] <^seelenn^> nixternal: ping
[19:46] <^seelenn^> jjesse: ping
[19:46] <jjesse> ^seelenn^ pong
[19:46] <^seelenn^> I've put up a mock up of help:/kubuntu/index.html - go to http://www.testsite.webmonkeydesigns.co.uk
[19:46] <^seelenn^> Obviously open it up in Konqueror and let me know what you think
[19:46] <^seelenn^> None of the links work by the way
[19:46] <jjesse> will do, looks good in firefox
[19:48] <jjesse> ^seelenn^: in konquror on my dell mini (1000*600) it runs together
[19:48] <jjesse> but looks decent
[19:48] <jjesse> don't have a bigger screen right now
[19:48] <jjesse> in firefox on my vista laptop it looks great
[19:49] <^seelenn^> I could fix making it more suitable for smaller screens
[19:49] <jjesse> that shouldn't be the primary use case though
[19:49] <^seelenn^> true
[19:50] <ScottK> So if all Launchpad translations have to be BSD licensed, how do we pull in upstream translations from GPL projects?
[19:50] <jjesse> i don't think we do?
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> ^seelenn^: the KDE logo looks very KDE3
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> other than that it looks great
[19:55] <^seelenn^> Hi JontheEchidna, thanks for letting me know, know where I can find a good looking one more up to date?
[19:56] <^seelenn^> I took the images off the current help:/kubuntu so it's got a few out of date images
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> ^seelenn^: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/images/4/4b/Kde-128.png
[19:57] <^seelenn^> thank you muchly
[19:58] <jjesse> ^seelenn^:  thinking more on the help.kubuntu.org and i really enjoy the look and feel of it.  looks a lot like the help documentation that is installed on the system
[20:05] <ScottK> jjesse: We don't use the upstream translations at all?
[20:20] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, invite to bunker please
[20:20] <NCommander> er
[20:20] <NCommander> crap
[20:28] <jjesse> ScottK: i hvae no idea how to respond, but i don't understand the license thing one bit
[20:28] <jjesse> my comment was mostly sarcastic
[20:51] <apachelogger> jjesse: the icons make my eyes bleed
[20:52] <jjesse> apachelogger: on  the help site?
[20:53] <apachelogger> yes
[20:53] <apachelogger> jjesse: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/index/
[20:53] <apachelogger> jjesse: also the theme should be mostly identical with the one ryanakca is coming up for the wiki IMHO
[20:54] <jjesse> refer to ^seelenn^
[20:54] <jjesse> apachelogger: i agree i know ^seelenn^ did  a mockup only
[20:54] <apachelogger> the KDE logo really needs to become a kubuntu logo
[20:54] <apachelogger> but
[20:54] <apachelogger> what is really disturbing me is the icon size
[20:54] <apachelogger> the current one is far too small
[20:55]  * ^seelenn^ takes some notes
[20:55] <^seelenn^> thanks for the feedback apachelogger, I'll work on a version 2
[20:55] <apachelogger> I like the concept, much better organized than the current one
[20:56] <^seelenn^> apachelogger: mind if I take the icons on the link you posted?
[20:56] <^seelenn^> and I'll make them bigger to avoid bleeding :)
[20:57] <jjesse> i like it when apachelogger's eye bleed :)
[20:57] <apachelogger> ^seelenn^: you might want to run apt-get source kdebase-runtime, somewhere within that source tree you will find the oxygen icon set
[20:58] <apachelogger> special versions for small sizes and SVGs and stuff
[21:00] <^seelenn^> thanks