[00:04] hi, maybe a faq but are there going to be kde 4.2 beta packages? [00:05] birnisson: yes, we're working on them now [00:07] Arby: awesome, thanks! looking forward to them [00:07] Arby: where are they going to be put; PPA or -backports ? [00:08] a|wen: ppa I think but not sure, and possibly jaunty only [00:08] JontheEchidna is coordinating [00:08] ergh.. akregator is eating my rss [00:09] 4.2 beta2 packages are going in to Jaunty first [00:09] and then into the kubuntu-experimental PPA as time allows [00:10] JontheEchidna: okay, thx ... did you sort out your libmsn problem? [00:10] that's not really a problem, just a piece of software that needs packaging [00:10] probably no way we're going to have it available by tomorrow so kopete'll go msn-less for a bit [00:11] I claim the "zomg it is teh alphaz" excuse :P [00:12] JontheEchidna: if it's going into a PPA anyway, why not grab http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libmsn/ ? [00:12] ooh [00:12] it has been through a few iterations on the debian-mentors list and looks pretty sane [00:12] less work for me :D [00:13] debian++ [00:13] JontheEchidna: not less work, just more time for kde packaging :P :) [00:13] ha, right you are [00:16] JontheEchidna: and there is even a good chance it get's into unstable for us to sync at our pleasure when we'll need it "in the real archive" [00:29] lool: you will be glad to hear that kdesdk 4.1.80 builds fine :-) [00:29] hopefully we can upload tomorrow [00:34] JontheEchidna: you wanted libmsn for jaunty, right? [00:34] ya [00:35] * a|wen just finetunes the one from debian mentors [00:35] <3 [00:37] That way we only have to worry about syncing it/getting an MIR for it before the next alpha [00:39] JontheEchidna: yeah ... one easy and one a bit harder [00:39] I've gotten a package MIR'd before. It was a small self-contained plasmoid though :P [00:46] got one of my package that i maintain in debian MIR'd as well ... but don't know how it happened :) [00:49] * NCommander has written MIRs [00:49] They aren't hard [00:49] dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libiris_ksirk.so.2 needed by debian/ksirk/usr/games/ksirk (its RPATH is ''). [00:49] ARGH [01:06] JontheEchidna: for your pleasure http://awen.dk/packages/libmsn/ [01:09] cool, thanks [01:11] my pleasure [01:11] * a|wen will hit bed now ... see you all tomorrow [01:21] anyone having problems installing jaunty alpha1? [01:23] * JontheEchidna didn't even try installing it [03:06] i have a huge problem [03:06] when i am tring to open something in gimp it just dissappears / crashes [03:08] http://pastebin.com/m26780397 [03:08] that's my error log [03:52] is there a daily trunk kde snapshot repository available somewhere? I have things in ark that I need to align together with the rest of 4.2, but my poor little laptop doesn't like compiling for several hours. [03:58] metellius: I think project Neon builds nightlys for KDE. [04:49] thanks, I'll check it out [05:17] anybody else still on kde4 on hardy? [05:17] i'm getting most of the config modules missing in konqueror [05:43] apt-file gives me konqueror-kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/kcm_css.so [05:43] but I don't have that file [05:43] as an example of the above [05:54] but apt-file can't pull info from ppa [10:09] yuriy: my eeepc is on hardy still - want me to check something? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: a big bisou for your computer | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | Merges! http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [12:31] neversfelde: official backport should arrive in intrepid-backports soon [14:19] JontheEchidna: thanks for the note! [15:09] bbl [16:07] rgreening: I see you are my roommate :) [16:19] nixternal: \o/ [16:19] :P [17:07] Nightrose: yeah could you see if all the settings in konqueror are there? [17:07] if you're on 4.1 [17:07] yuiry: remember a while back, we talked about KlamAv and porting to KDE4? [17:08] vaguely [17:08] yuriy: I was wondering if it instead made sense to write a python front-end instead? [17:08] dunno, I don't recall saying I'd do it, maybe I said I'd help a little if someone else was working on it? [17:09] yuriy: that was to help me :) [17:09] ah [17:09] yuriy: 4.1.3 should be on the eeepc - let me boot it [17:10] will we see the 4.2 beta soon? [17:13] yuriy: looks ok here [17:15] cbr: Yes (for Jaunty first). [17:15] when? [17:15] i'm just anxious :) [17:15] When it's done, which should be soonish. [17:19] rgreening: Fundamentally klamav needs porting and upstream doesn't seem to have a lot of time for klamav. It'd be cool if someone here got interested, but I don't think something pythonish would solve the problem. [17:20] oh why not? [17:21] I guess if you want to re-implement the whole thing in Python, it would. [17:25] Nightrose: actually, I only have 4.1.2 here.. is 4.1.3 not in the same repo? [17:26] and apt-cache and aptitude show me different versions @_@ [17:30] ScottK: that's what I was thinking, a new app in python that could superceed KlamAv... Not sure which would be easier for me to implement at this time. [17:33] ~np [17:33] apachelogger is listening to "The Stars (AC Slater remix)" by Moby [17:35] rgreening: It'd be pretty complex as klamav supports on-access file scanning using the dazuko kernel modules. I've got that patched out of the Debian/Ubuntu packages as getting those modules into one of our kernels is 'non-trivial'. [17:35] If it was going to be a true replacement, it'd have to do that. [17:36] Currently klamav is pretty widely packaged and distros pass clamav integration patches around a lot. [17:36] ScottK: shouldn't that kernel stuff be a lot easier with dkms? [17:36] apachelogger: Probably for someone who understood anything about the kernel. [17:37] :) [17:37] lol [17:39] porting is not trivial to someone who doesn't a) understand the app inside and out and 2) who is not familiar with all the nuances/differences between 3.x and 4.x. That sort of why I though a ground up approach might actually be easier for me. However, I may take another stab at what it would take to port. I had started the work on porting and got stuck... haven't had a chance to veer back to it. [17:40] there is tons of documentation on KDE 3 => KDE 4 and Qt 3 => Qt 4 [17:40] OK. Maybe if you can get to a certain point, then we can ask questions upstream. [17:40] also using git it should be fairly easly to not break everything at once ;-) [18:09] We keep the KDE CDBS stuff in kde4libs, right? [18:10] ScottK: kde4.mk is in cdbs itself [18:11] Oh. [18:11] OK. [18:14] bobesponja: Nice handle :) [18:16] manchicken: thanks [18:33] Intrepid Ibex is amazing. Really, Kubuntu and Xubuntu. I admit I was a bit worried after Hardy, but trying out Intrepid made my day. Thank you all for the great work. [18:44] devilsadvocate: Thanks. Glad to hear it. [18:45] considering how whenever i say something here its to bitch about something, i felt i should come over and say that [18:47] Heh, that's funny. [18:55] Does the latest NM support openvpn? [19:46] <^seelenn^> nixternal: ping [19:46] <^seelenn^> jjesse: ping [19:46] ^seelenn^ pong [19:46] <^seelenn^> I've put up a mock up of help:/kubuntu/index.html - go to http://www.testsite.webmonkeydesigns.co.uk [19:46] <^seelenn^> Obviously open it up in Konqueror and let me know what you think [19:46] <^seelenn^> None of the links work by the way [19:46] will do, looks good in firefox [19:48] ^seelenn^: in konquror on my dell mini (1000*600) it runs together [19:48] but looks decent [19:48] don't have a bigger screen right now [19:48] in firefox on my vista laptop it looks great [19:49] <^seelenn^> I could fix making it more suitable for smaller screens [19:49] that shouldn't be the primary use case though [19:49] <^seelenn^> true [19:50] So if all Launchpad translations have to be BSD licensed, how do we pull in upstream translations from GPL projects? [19:50] i don't think we do? [19:54] ^seelenn^: the KDE logo looks very KDE3 [19:54] other than that it looks great [19:55] <^seelenn^> Hi JontheEchidna, thanks for letting me know, know where I can find a good looking one more up to date? [19:56] <^seelenn^> I took the images off the current help:/kubuntu so it's got a few out of date images [19:56] ^seelenn^: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/images/4/4b/Kde-128.png [19:57] <^seelenn^> thank you muchly [19:58] ^seelenn^: thinking more on the help.kubuntu.org and i really enjoy the look and feel of it. looks a lot like the help documentation that is installed on the system [20:05] jjesse: We don't use the upstream translations at all? [20:20] JontheEchidna, invite to bunker please [20:20] er [20:20] crap [20:28] ScottK: i hvae no idea how to respond, but i don't understand the license thing one bit [20:28] my comment was mostly sarcastic [20:51] jjesse: the icons make my eyes bleed [20:52] apachelogger: on the help site? [20:53] yes [20:53] jjesse: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/index/ [20:53] jjesse: also the theme should be mostly identical with the one ryanakca is coming up for the wiki IMHO [20:54] refer to ^seelenn^ [20:54] apachelogger: i agree i know ^seelenn^ did a mockup only [20:54] the KDE logo really needs to become a kubuntu logo [20:54] but [20:54] what is really disturbing me is the icon size [20:54] the current one is far too small [20:55] * ^seelenn^ takes some notes [20:55] <^seelenn^> thanks for the feedback apachelogger, I'll work on a version 2 [20:55] I like the concept, much better organized than the current one === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [20:56] <^seelenn^> apachelogger: mind if I take the icons on the link you posted? [20:56] <^seelenn^> and I'll make them bigger to avoid bleeding :) [20:57] i like it when apachelogger's eye bleed :) [20:57] ^seelenn^: you might want to run apt-get source kdebase-runtime, somewhere within that source tree you will find the oxygen icon set [20:58] special versions for small sizes and SVGs and stuff [21:00] <^seelenn^> thanks