| maco | on the TODO page, what's green and what's orange? | 06:53 |
|---|---|---|
| Hobbsee | green == done, orange == in progress, maybe? or orange == todo? | 06:55 |
| maco | ok | 06:57 |
| maco | and is that page for packaging updates? | 06:57 |
| maco | its not quite self-explanatory, i guess | 06:58 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure | 07:05 |
| Hobbsee | i'd guess so, from last time is aw it | 07:05 |
| seb128 | pochu: hi | 09:28 |
| pochu | hey seb128 :) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | pochu: hello | 09:33 |
| pochu | how are you? | 09:33 |
| seb128 | pochu: any reason you are adding binaries to vinagre? | 09:34 |
| seb128 | pochu: good, thank you, how are you? | 09:34 |
| pochu | seb128: fine, thanks :) busy as usual with uni though ;) | 09:34 |
| pochu | seb128: yeah, vinagre .deb is now 2MB+, which in Debian means 20MB+ | 09:34 |
| pochu | for all archs | 09:34 |
| pochu | and since almost all of it is the help documentation, I've split it | 09:35 |
| seb128 | hum, k, I really dislike this oversplitting in debian | 09:35 |
| pochu | I'd prefer not to do it, but it's going from more than 20MB in the mirrors to just a few... | 09:36 |
| seb128 | it adds entries to the apt indexes, makes those slower to download, the packages list less nice to browse, create bugs, etc | 09:36 |
| seb128 | disk space is cheap nowadays ;-) | 09:36 |
| seb128 | you should stop adding -dbg variants everywhere if you care about mirror use | 09:37 |
| pochu | hmm | 09:38 |
| seb128 | really, that's not a coherent way to do things | 09:38 |
| pochu | I guess if I had to choose between having dbg packages and -common packages, and having none of them, I'd choose the former... | 09:39 |
| pochu | until Debian has dbgsym packages or something like that | 09:39 |
| seb128 | what about working on having -dbgsym in debian rather than adding -dbg everywhere | 09:39 |
| seb128 | that would not polute the apt index, not use mirror space, etc | 09:39 |
| pochu | that would be nice, yeah | 09:40 |
| seb128 | in one side nobody cares to spend gigabytes of mirror space to add -dbg | 09:41 |
| seb128 | but on the other side you they split binaries to win some space | 09:41 |
| seb128 | which means you get the mirror use and the apt index pollution for almost no win | 09:41 |
| seb128 | it's not specific against you | 09:42 |
| seb128 | but I don't think that oversplitting makes sense | 09:42 |
| seb128 | if mirror space is really an issue, which I'm not convinced that such small changes are worth the work really | 09:43 |
| seb128 | the arch all,any difference creates installability issues on some arches, make the list of packages harder to browser, slow the apt-get update run, create bugs, etc | 09:44 |
| seb128 | hum, makes me think about something | 09:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: hello! | 09:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: do you think we should discuss filtering the -dbg out since ubuntu is using the -dbgsym variants? | 09:46 |
| seb128 | mvo: or might rather something for you ;-) | 09:46 |
| pitti | seb128: bonjour | 10:46 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 10:46 |
| pitti | seb128: in fact we did that already, and there's a spec for it already | 10:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, good | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: did you get the private directory mount filtering change upstream btw? they rolled a new version and I didn't notice that in the changelog, that the only difference we have over debian | 10:50 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I didn't get any comment to the upstream bug yet :( | 10:51 |
| seb128 | hum, ok | 10:51 |
| pitti | seb128: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/debug-package-removal | 10:52 |
| pitti | seb128: it was tiny, did it cause trouble during upgrade? | 10:52 |
| pitti | seb128: any other suggestions what I should do about it? ping someone in IRC? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | pitti: no, it's just the difference between a merge and a sync ;-) | 10:52 |
| pitti | oh, that is a difficulty | 10:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'll ping davidz when he's around | 10:53 |
| pitti | seb128: I can file it to Debian, too | 10:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: don't bother, I don't think it'll disagree on getting that upstream, they just need a little nudge | 10:53 |
| pitti | ecryptfs-utils is in Debian, too | 10:54 |
| seb128 | s/it'll/they'll | 10:54 |
| pitti | seb128: I suppose we sync/merge from experimental? | 10:54 |
| seb128 | correct | 10:54 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, it's pretty straightforward, and they ignore other fs too | 10:54 |
| mvo | seb128: hello! filtering it out in what way? remove them during upgrade? | 11:59 |
| mvo | seb128: aha, nevermind, I just read the backlog (and remembered the spec) | 12:00 |
| seb128 | mvo: I guess that's not so much of an issue for gui users, ie gnome-app-install lists desktop applications rather but still would be nice to not have the confusion and faster apt-get update | 12:07 |
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| mvo | seb128: hello! I requested some syncs on stuff that has your name on the merge list (intltool, libglade2) - just fyi | 14:40 |
| mvo | (and to avoid duplication of work) | 14:40 |
| seb128 | mvo: alright, thanks | 14:43 |
| seb128 | I should upgrade to jaunty | 14:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: hey ;-) | 16:00 |
| pitti | asac, ArneGoetje, bryce, seb128: meeting o'clock | 16:00 |
| seb128 | hey mpt rickspencer3 | 16:00 |
| pitti | rickspencer3! | 16:00 |
| * pedro_ waves | 16:00 | |
| rickspencer3 | hi | 16:00 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: welcome to the craz^Wgreat Ubuntu world! | 16:00 |
| asac | hi | 16:00 |
| seb128 | hey pedro_ | 16:00 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks | 16:01 |
| asac | pitti: oh ... I have a call in 30 minutes | 16:01 |
| pitti | asac: np | 16:01 |
| ArneGoetje | hi | 16:01 |
| mpt | hi seb128 | 16:01 |
| pitti | Riddell, calc, and Keybuk are on holiday, so small team today | 16:01 |
| pitti | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-11-25 | 16:01 |
| pitti | ^ activity reports | 16:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: you are on holidays too according to the canonical website ;-) | 16:02 |
| pitti | nobody sent in topics, so this will be quick | 16:02 |
| pitti | @all: yes, the canonical thingy shows me on holiday, because I screwed up and requested holidays from 2008-12-18 to 2008-10-19 | 16:02 |
| pitti | spot the error :) | 16:02 |
| pitti | two months negative holiday | 16:02 |
| pitti | aaanyway | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I spot the bug in the software ;-) | 16:03 |
| asac | haha | 16:03 |
| pitti | Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:03 |
| pitti | Martin to talk to beuno to put the desktop team meeting at the fridge | 16:03 |
| asac | pitti: thats a good trick for a long-term leave i guess | 16:03 |
| pitti | -> done | 16:03 |
| pitti | your evolutions should all display the correct time now | 16:03 |
| pitti | - Everyone to register their specs and propose for "uds-jaunty" by the end of the week | 16:03 |
| pitti | I saw quite a lot going past, and I did my best to fit them into the schedule | 16:03 |
| pitti | so the desktop track is 100% filled now | 16:04 |
| asac | oh | 16:04 |
| pitti | did anyone register a spec which hasn't been accepted for UDS yet? | 16:04 |
| pitti | we have some breakout rooms, if we need | 16:04 |
| pitti | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/desktop/ | 16:04 |
| pitti | I'm not sure whether you are able to see this already, since it's still preliminary | 16:05 |
| pitti | so, any last-minute additions from anyone? | 16:05 |
| seb128 | not from me | 16:05 |
| * pitti takes that as "no" and chalks off the point | 16:07 | |
| pitti | so, next topic | 16:07 |
| pitti | let's all give rickspencer3 a big hug | 16:07 |
| pitti | he will be our new boss from December on | 16:07 |
| pitti | which means he'll take the plunge right into the DX sprint and UDS | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | can't wait | 16:07 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: already excited? :-) | 16:08 |
| asac | welcome! | 16:08 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3: welcome on board ;-) | 16:08 |
| ArneGoetje | welcome! | 16:08 |
| pedro_ | welcome rickspencer3! | 16:08 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks, looking forward to meeting everyone | 16:08 |
| rickspencer3 | next week? | 16:08 |
| pitti | we planned some one-to-one introduction sessions on Friday during fosscamp | 16:09 |
| pitti | some of you aren't there yet, for those we can do that on Sunday or Monday | 16:09 |
| asac | i will arrive on Sat evening | 16:09 |
| pitti | and we'll have a team dinner on Monday probably | 16:09 |
| asac | i think bryce will arrive on Sunday (not sure when) ... so Monday would fit better i guess | 16:09 |
| pitti | asac: yeah, that shouldn't be a problem at all | 16:09 |
| pitti | so, we'll see each other in a week, and nobody sent in any topics, so let's make this meeting quick | 16:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: will we have an IRC meeting next week since you guys are already travelling? | 16:10 |
| pitti | let's skip the meeting next week | 16:10 |
| pitti | if there are urgent questions about UDS -> ping me on IRC or mail | 16:11 |
| seb128 | ok good | 16:11 |
| pitti | my primary concern for this and the remainder of the next week is to finish the intrepid cleanup | 16:11 |
| ArneGoetje | ok | 16:11 |
| pitti | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-updates still has a couple of open issues | 16:11 |
| pitti | most of them for asac, though | 16:12 |
| pitti | (enjoyed your holidays? :-) | 16:12 |
| seb128 | right, me too, cleaning the pending desktop sru this week would be nice | 16:12 |
| seb128 | I want to switch my laptop to jaunty next week | 16:12 |
| pitti | asac: anything we can do to help you finish that this week? testing patches, or debugging something? | 16:12 |
| asac | hard to say. | 16:12 |
| bryce | morning | 16:12 |
| pitti | hey bryce | 16:13 |
| asac | i will finish those issue for which i have fixes for sure | 16:13 |
| asac | but there are other issues that have been fixed in upstream tree ... but with huge patches | 16:13 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't see any which are explicitly assigned to -desktop, can you please walk over the unassigned ones there and assign the ones yuou think are GNOMEish? | 16:13 |
| pitti | asac: I understand that there are quite a bunch of bugs which already have patches | 16:13 |
| seb128 | looking | 16:13 |
| asac | so after this round i will see if its possible to SRU the final 0.7 release (which hopefully happens) | 16:13 |
| pitti | asac: maybe upload them now, and we'll defer the more tricky ones to a followup SRU? | 16:14 |
| asac | pitti: yes. thats the plan. | 16:14 |
| pitti | then we can do some intense testing, as long as many of us are still acutally using intrepid | 16:14 |
| asac | yep | 16:14 |
| pitti | after UDS, we'll have our head and computers full of jackalopes, I suppose :) | 16:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: nothing really GNOMish in this list | 16:15 |
| mpt | ~And visions of jackalopes danced in their heads~ | 16:16 |
| pitti | seb128: only bug 204770 still seems to be open for you | 16:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204770 in tracker "[hardy] gdmsetup cause intensive disk activity and take a very long time to open" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204770 | 16:16 |
| pitti | mpt: in my wildest dreams! | 16:16 |
| kwwii | I think this name was picked to put an end to the mascot-on-the-wallpaper idea | 16:16 |
| seb128 | right | 16:16 |
| pitti | kwwii: you mean we won't get a real photo this time? | 16:17 |
| pitti | seb128: is that still the triggers-tracker bug? | 16:17 |
| kwwii | pitti: I might need to take a few weeks off to find one in the wild west..I'll ask mark for permission :p | 16:17 |
| seb128 | pitti: I think so, it's fixed again in jaunty now, the change is trivial, will get it uploaded to intrepid too | 16:17 |
| pitti | kwwii: do one of the Yeti, too, for Ubuntu 14.10 (or so) | 16:18 |
| kwwii | lol, right | 16:19 |
| pitti | next topic: merges | 16:19 |
| pitti | we are pretty good, down to 69 | 16:19 |
| pitti | but there are still a couple which belong to our team | 16:19 |
| pitti | http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | 16:19 |
| pitti | please have a look and try to get them done by UDS | 16:19 |
| seb128 | that list is somewhat wrong though | 16:20 |
| pitti | asac: I can steal your's, since you'll have your heads full of NM SRU, I think; ok? | 16:20 |
| seb128 | now that debian is frozen there is lot of things which are uploaded to experimental | 16:20 |
| seb128 | but they are not listed there | 16:20 |
| asac | pitti: whats left? ifupdown? and? | 16:20 |
| seb128 | ie, all the GNOME updates | 16:20 |
| * asac opens merge page | 16:21 | |
| asac | pitti: thanks ... go ahead ;) | 16:21 |
| pitti | asac: igerman98; should be trivial, will do that | 16:21 |
| asac | pitti: yes. you can leave ifupdown to me | 16:21 |
| pitti | asac: shall I do ifupdown, too, or do you want to add magic NM sauce over it? | 16:21 |
| pitti | alright | 16:22 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: are you fine with your three remaining ones? | 16:22 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: I think so. will do them tomorrow | 16:22 |
| pitti | okay, great | 16:22 |
| pitti | AOB? | 16:22 |
| seb128 | thanks pitti | 16:23 |
| asac | anyone would volunteer to learn a bit about mozilla? | 16:23 |
| asac | packaging and procedures? | 16:23 |
| seb128 | asac: why? | 16:23 |
| asac | i was on vacation and wasnt really either because i appear to be the only one being able to do security updates | 16:23 |
| seb128 | :-( | 16:24 |
| pitti | asac: in the sense of updating to a new upstream release? | 16:24 |
| pitti | or in the sense of actually understanding the code? | 16:24 |
| * pitti has done the former a lot, but not the latter | 16:24 | |
| asac | pitti: yes. how to update the packaging branches. how to produce proper orig.tar.gz | 16:24 |
| asac | how to QA the stuff | 16:24 |
| asac | and so on | 16:24 |
| pitti | hm, that changed quite a lot | 16:24 |
| pitti | asac: maybe you can document the procedure somewhere, so that we have a recipe, should we need to do it again? | 16:25 |
| seb128 | asac: not me, I've already way too much on my plates and that's not likely a trivial job | 16:25 |
| asac | pitti: documentation helps. but practice is better ;) | 16:25 |
| seb128 | but what pitti said seems good | 16:25 |
| asac | i think we have that documented somewhere already. but yeah, thats definitly a requirement | 16:25 |
| pitti | asac: debian/rules make-orig or so? | 16:26 |
| pitti | asac: QA> what do you do there, do you have a series of tests (web pages, menu commands, etc.) which you run through? | 16:26 |
| asac | pitti: we have a get-orig-source rule. but it accepts parameters so you can get special tags/snapshots from CVS and so on | 16:26 |
| asac | pitti: yes we have tests on a QA wiki page | 16:27 |
| pitti | I also guess you test reverse dependencies, like epiphany? | 16:27 |
| seb128 | asac: you should teach that to the security team if that's for security updates ;-) | 16:27 |
| pitti | asac: ah, that sounds good then; so I guess all is necessary is a 10-line README in the source package with some URLs? | 16:27 |
| asac | pitti: everything should already be there from a documentation point of view. i am just sure that when there is a need to do an update it will take ages | 16:27 |
| asac | pitti: theoretically yes. in practice sending out a security update needs someone who did that in the past imo | 16:28 |
| asac | but we can talk about that at UDS | 16:28 |
| asac | i will not be on holiday till christmas ;) | 16:28 |
| pitti | asac: right; so a dry run would be beneficial, maybe with the security team | 16:28 |
| pitti | asac: I figure you could check out an older version and claim that the current one was just released, and update to it as an exercise? | 16:29 |
| pitti | asac: I think it's worth mailing security@u.c. and planning a firedrill | 16:29 |
| asac | ok. | 16:30 |
| asac | thats it on that point | 16:31 |
| * asac has to join a call now | 16:31 | |
| pitti | thanks for bringing it up | 16:31 |
| * asac waves | 16:31 | |
| pitti | asac: see you next week! *hug* | 16:31 |
| pitti | see all of you next week, too! | 16:31 |
| rickspencer4 | thanks | 16:31 |
| pitti | until then, happy merging, SRUing, and preparing for U.S. immigration :) | 16:31 |
| pitti | rickspencer4: what happened to Rick the 3rd? | 16:32 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 16:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks, you too | 16:32 |
| rickspencer4 | I had to rejoin, and irc incremented my user name for me | 16:32 |
| pitti | rickspencer4: look at how unstable seb128's ISP is... | 16:32 |
| rickspencer4 | problem is, rickspencer4 is mu boy | 16:32 |
| rickspencer4 | :o | 16:33 |
| mpt | mvo, did you get my mail about package management? | 16:33 |
| yotama9 | hi guys. I hope this is the right channel to ask for help. I am trying to make 0my machine to auto play cd's when they are mounted to my machine (and also change those properties) any help? | 19:10 |
| rlaager | yotama9: You want to be in #ubuntu | 19:11 |
| yotama9 | thanks | 19:14 |
| espacious | can i still upgrade my feisty 7.04 desktop to maybe 7.10 or 8.04 or maybe eaven 8.10 | 23:24 |
| espacious | update manager hangs. | 23:24 |
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