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| mvo | @schule berlin | 15:07 |
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| mvo | @schedule berlin | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 25 Nov 17:00: Server Team | 25 Nov 18:00: Kernel Team | 26 Nov 17:00: Foundation Team | 26 Nov 18:00: QA Team | 27 Nov 13:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 02 Dec 22:00: Community Council | 15:07 |
| apw | @schedule london | 15:27 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Europe/London: 25 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 25 Nov 17:00: Kernel Team | 26 Nov 16:00: Foundation Team | 26 Nov 17:00: QA Team | 27 Nov 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | 15:27 |
| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 25 Nov 17:00: Kernel Team | 26 Nov 16:00: Foundation Team | 26 Nov 17:00: QA Team | 27 Nov 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | ||
| * mathiaz waves | 15:58 | |
| soren | o/ | 15:59 |
| nxvl | \o/ | 15:59 |
| kirkland | o/ | 15:59 |
| dholbach | /o\ | 16:00 |
| Koon | \o/ | 16:00 |
| kirkland | ^o^ | 16:00 |
| nxvl | _o/ | 16:00 |
| nealmcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| nxvl | \o_ | 16:00 |
| * mathiaz puts on some music so that this whole dance makes sense | 16:01 | |
| dendrobates | o/ | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | let's get started | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | welcome to another meeting of the Server Team! | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | Today's amazing and exciting agenda can be found online at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:02 |
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| mathiaz | Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081118 | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Server FAQ | 16:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Server FAQ | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | most of the questions have been updated | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | there is only one left: the RAID question | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: it's all yours :D | 16:03 |
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| kirkland | mathiaz: sweet, i've been saving the best for last | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | I've also added an item to the Roadmap to cover the ServerFaq update | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: excellent! | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID related questions | 16:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kirkland to review the RAID related questions | 16:05 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i'm editing it now :-) | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Jaunty specs | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jaunty specs | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: what's the status on these? | 16:05 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: going along well. but I have a request. | 16:06 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: in the future, when creating a spec do not put the release in the name. i.e Hardy identity management. | 16:06 |
| dendrobates | Right now we have more specs than sessions, and I am trying to glob some of them together. | 16:07 |
| soren | dendrobates: I see your point if the spec in question gets deferred. | 16:07 |
| soren | However.. | 16:07 |
| soren | If there's going to be more work put into a particular area, how should we name the next iteration? | 16:07 |
| soren | identity-management-plus-plus? :) | 16:08 |
| soren | ...or are you trying to solve a different problem, perhaps? | 16:08 |
| dendrobates | soren: identity management is really too broad anyway. We need more precise names. | 16:08 |
| soren | Point. | 16:08 |
| dendrobates | soren: I think that the current method of mapping specs to uds sessions is not working well. | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: is there more time to register blueprints? | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: or is the schedule for UDS already completed? | 16:10 |
| dendrobates | if you do so in the next 4 hours. | 16:10 |
| dendrobates | I am still creating umbrella specs so we can fit all the discussions in, so I will accept last minute additions. | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: ok. | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | A reminder: register a blueprint, set dendrobates as the approver and target the spec for jaunty | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | that way it will show up on the list of specs considered for the next UDS | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | if the ubuntu-server team is subsribed it's even better! | 16:12 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: it also saves me time if you propose it for the Jaunty UDS as well. | 16:12 |
| nealmcb | dendrobates: is the list of specs currently proposed visible to us, or just you? | 16:13 |
| * nealmcb remembers that in the past it has not been visible to mere mortals | 16:13 | |
| dendrobates | nealmcb: if your launchpad fu is good I'm sure they are available, but the way I see them is through the UDS planning page. | 16:14 |
| dendrobates | nealmcb: if I finish today , I can send out a tentative agenda. | 16:14 |
| kirkland | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-jaunty | 16:14 |
| kirkland | ^ all proposed for Jaunty, right now | 16:15 |
| kirkland | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server | 16:15 |
| dendrobates | kirkland: that does not mean they are scheduled though. | 16:15 |
| kirkland | ^ blueprints subscribing ubuntu-server | 16:15 |
| kirkland | dendrobates: understood, nealmcb asked for "list of specs currently proposed" | 16:15 |
| nealmcb | kirkland: excellent - they fixed my bug :) | 16:16 |
| kirkland | these are the two links i've been using as a were-mortal | 16:16 |
| kirkland | mere-mortal | 16:17 |
| kirkland | though, a were(wolf)-mortal does sound like fun | 16:17 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: is there a publicly available version of the UDS schedule? | 16:17 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: not that I know of, but we can put ours on the server blog when I finish. | 16:18 |
| nealmcb | dendrobates: that would be great | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: ok. Even if there may be some last minute changes, it would be great to have the schedule available soon | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: to make a blog post for example. | 16:19 |
| dendrobates | as usual, I will buy any server team member a beer if they find me at UDS. | 16:19 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: Today for sure. | 16:19 |
| * soren makes note of that | 16:20 | |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: today? awesome! | 16:20 |
| * Koon cries. | 16:20 | |
| * kirkland will take dendrobates up on that one :-) | 16:20 | |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: is there a limit on the number of beers per members? | 16:20 |
| Koon | I'll also buy any server team member a beer if they can find me at UDS. | 16:21 |
| dendrobates | I meant community members, but I'll make an exception. | 16:21 |
| dholbach | I sponsored a bunch of packages of server team members - does that make me a server team member too? ;-) | 16:21 |
| * ScottK regrets he won't be there this time. | 16:21 | |
| dendrobates | dholbach: of course! | 16:21 |
| dholbach | yoohoo! | 16:21 |
| * dholbach hugs y'all | 16:21 | |
| * mathiaz reminds that being a member of the ubuntu-server team only requires to be subscribed to the ubuntu-server mailing list | 16:21 | |
| * dholbach uses the opportunity to plug http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 16:22 | |
| kirkland | Koon: :-P | 16:22 |
| kirkland | Koon: ScottK: bummer, dudes! | 16:22 |
| nealmcb | Koon: lol | 16:23 |
| Koon | nealmcb: I only play when I can't lose. | 16:24 |
| nxvl | Koon: you will buy me a beer? | 16:24 |
| nxvl | dendrobates: you too? | 16:24 |
| zul | Koon: you are skipping out because you need to buy me a beer | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | ok - is there anything else related to Jaunty specs and UDS? | 16:24 |
| Koon | nxvl: if you can find me at UDS next month, yes :) | 16:24 |
| * nealmcb plans to "find koon" via google at uds | 16:24 | |
| nxvl | Koon: remember i do know you | 16:24 |
| dendrobates | nxvl: Koon will be in France, so it will be hard to collect. | 16:25 |
| nxvl | :( | 16:25 |
| dendrobates | the kicker is I get the choose the beer. | 16:25 |
| zul | dendrobates: so the watered down american beer? | 16:26 |
| ScottK | Careful. He's from St. Louis. | 16:26 |
| nxvl | i'm from peru, i can play that game | 16:26 |
| nxvl | :D | 16:26 |
| dendrobates | mmmm, Busch beer. | 16:26 |
| nxvl | we drink weird stuff | 16:26 |
| * ScottK has been to Peru and can attest to that. | 16:26 | |
| * Daviey remembers nxvl bottle of yuk | 16:26 | |
| kirkland | :-D | 16:26 |
| nxvl | Daviey: plz! that was pisco, that's normal | 16:27 |
| nxvl | Daviey: you don't want to try to weird stuff | 16:27 |
| Daviey | :) | 16:27 |
| kirkland | -> the #beer-server team | 16:27 |
| * ScottK brought back Pisco when he was there. | 16:27 | |
| nealmcb | I see ebox on the server team spec list (from boston), but haven't yet spotted something for gui server admin on the jaunty list - is there something related to that already? | 16:27 |
| ScottK | I understand it's not exported any more or something. | 16:27 |
| * Koon cheers mathiaz, who desperately tries to keep the meeting on topic :) | 16:28 | |
| RoAkSoAx | nxvl: give them "7 raices" or "rompe calzon" :P lol | 16:28 |
| ScottK | What topic are we on? I came in late. | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | ok - let's move on as we drifting from the current subject | 16:28 |
| nxvl | RoAkSoAx: plz! aguarras! | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | The topic is Jaunty specs and UDS | 16:28 |
| ScottK | I intend to work on automating postfix-amavisd-new-clamav-spamassassin setup. | 16:29 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: dendrobates anything related to server gui? | 16:29 |
| nealmcb | a good set of server gui links is at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/68/ | 16:29 |
| ScottK | As we discussed before. | 16:29 |
| ScottK | I can write a spec for that if you want? | 16:29 |
| nealmcb | but it all still needs updating I'm sure, given augeas progress | 16:29 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: yes there will be a discussion of the configuration framework to be used by any =mgt front end. | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: is this the spec using fai as the way to setup the system? | 16:31 |
| dendrobates | ScottK: will you be able to join in remotely? We plan on discussing an integrated mail stack. | 16:31 |
| * nealmcb notices non-gui spec also :) https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/oem-config/+spec/oem-config-server/ | 16:31 | |
| ScottK | mathiaz: No. That spec is still there (I updated it slightly), but it's more work than I can do in my free time. | 16:31 |
| nealmcb | though that is for desktops not servers | 16:31 |
| dendrobates | nealmcb: that is more of a first boot thing | 16:32 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: It'll be building on the config scripts I did for Postfix in Intrepid. | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: well - that's the point of the spec: to get a server version of oem-config | 16:32 |
| ScottK | dendrobates: Possibly. TZ diff isn't too bad. | 16:32 |
| lamont | hrm.. yet more sessions I'll want to join remotely... | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: ok. If you could write up a spec that would be helpful | 16:33 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: with a least a list of things that could be done on the mail server stack. | 16:33 |
| ScottK | dendrobates: If you can schduled during east coast working hours, I can likely make it. | 16:33 |
| dendrobates | ScottK: I'll do my best | 16:34 |
| ScottK | Groceries have arrived, so I need to run off for a bit. | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | allright - anything else for Jaunty specs and UDS? | 16:34 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: interrupting ... i have updated the RAID sections of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: great - thanks! | 16:35 |
| nealmcb | dendrobates, mathiaz - I'll be curious to see what backend oem-config uses to do the config itself | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | let's move on | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: It uses the same infrastructure as the installer IIRC | 16:36 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Update ServerGuide for Jaunty | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Update ServerGuide for Jaunty | 16:36 |
| mathiaz | sommer: ^^? | 16:36 |
| sommer | not sure there's much more news from last time | 16:37 |
| mathiaz | sommer: right - the wiki page has a list of points to work on | 16:37 |
| sommer | started working on kerberos + ldap, but other than that | 16:37 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyServerGuide | 16:37 |
| mathiaz | sommer: did you think about the reasons for splitting the server guide into its own source package? | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | sommer: or should we just defer that topic to the UDS session? | 16:38 |
| sommer | mathiaz: ya, and I don't think it'll have that many advantages at this point | 16:38 |
| sommer | mathiaz: sure we can mull it over more at UDS | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | sommer: ok - great. | 16:38 |
| sommer | also haven't received any feed back from the doc team on the subject, so it's probably not a big deal either way | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | That's all for last week minutes | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | Anything else to add wrt to last week meeting? | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | nope - let's move on to the next topic | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Merges | 16:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Merges | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | how are we doing on the merging front? | 16:41 |
| * kirkland did a few this weekend, adding init scripts along the way | 16:42 | |
| kirkland | and filing bugs with Debian for the diffs | 16:43 |
| * kirkland notes that the Debian email responder is *much* faster now | 16:43 | |
| kirkland | and it's slightly less painful to file bugs with patches back upstream with Debian | 16:43 |
| ScottK | The reportbug we have in Intrepid supports attaching the patch with the original submission now. | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | ok - I'll keep the list of 'easy-merges' up-to-date. | 16:44 |
| ScottK | That saves a step. | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | ok - let's move on | 16:45 |
| * soren mumbles about submittodebian from ubuntu-dev-tools | 16:45 | |
| kirkland | ScottK: right; i usually like to add the debian bug number in the merge changelog | 16:45 |
| kirkland | ScottK: that used to mean waiting some ungodly long time for the Debian BTS to get around to responding | 16:45 |
| kirkland | ScottK: now, that's more like 3 minutes or so | 16:45 |
| kirkland | which makes it just "a long time", and not "an ungodly long time" :-) | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Open discussion | 16:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open discussion | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | anything to add? | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: ^^ ? | 16:47 |
| ivoks | heh | 16:47 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I do have something on libdb transitions. | 16:47 |
| ivoks | i'm back, that's all i can say :) | 16:47 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Looking at the patch in Bug #301169 it appears to me there are some interface changes in DB 4.7 | 16:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 301169 in gramps "Include patch to allow gramps to work with BerkeleyDB 4.7 (dup-of: 301170)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301169 | 16:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 301170 in gramps "Include patch to allow gramps to work with BerkeleyDB 4.7" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301170 | 16:48 |
| Koon | For those with a likewise-open setup, I need help in testing the hardy SRU (bug 230466), currently in -proposed | 16:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 230466 in likewise-open "Likewise uninstall, Lock login to system" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230466 | 16:48 |
| Koon | I tested it but would welcome someone else validating it, and it's been lingering for quite some time | 16:48 |
| ScottK | Fortunately it looks like at least in some cases Fedora has patches so we can get them from there. Fedora patches are usually very good. | 16:49 |
| sommer | Koon: I can try an take a look at that this evening | 16:49 |
| Koon | Thanks somer ! also MOTUs could sponsor the tomcat5.5 hardy SRU (bug 179447), it's also been acked for quite some time | 16:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 179447 in tomcat5.5 "Installation of tomcat5.5 fails if openjdk-6 or a JRE is installed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179447 | 16:50 |
| Koon | sommer, I mean | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: are the instructions on the Roadmap still accurate? | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: Note: To do the migration make sure its not using transactions: grep for transaction in the source code - if transactions aren't used, update the build-dep/depends. Otherwise, existing data have to be migrated to a new structure. | 16:51 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: For transition to 4.6, yes. For 4.7 it appears more complicated. | 16:52 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Getting everything to 4.6 would be a big victory. | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: ok. | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | Anything else to add? | 16:53 |
| ScottK | No. Just wanted to make sure whoever is working that was aware. | 16:53 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: On a new topic, in Intrepid we got roadblocked on tasksel and too many options. | 16:54 |
| ScottK | Is there a plan to deal with that for Jaunty? | 16:54 |
| ScottK | Part of the mail server stack question is how many options can we reasonably provide. | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: there is a session about the server installer | 16:55 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: OK. I probably won't participate, I'd just like a U/I that allows more choices so we can offer different mail server configs. | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: sure - at least we'll have a specific use case to discuss during the session | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | let's move on as there is another meeting coming up | 16:56 |
| ScottK | OK. | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. | 16:57 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | next week, same place, same time? | 16:57 |
| kirkland | oui! | 16:57 |
| sommer | sure | 16:57 |
| Koon | ok | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | ok - great then | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | see ya all next week, here. | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | happy merging ! | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:59. | 16:59 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: perfect timing on the meeting.... | 17:00 |
| sommer | thanks mathiaz, later on all | 17:00 |
| * soren kicks MootBot for not being in UTC | 17:00 | |
| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kernel Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Nov 16:00: Foundation Team | 26 Nov 17:00: QA Team | 27 Nov 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | ||
| pgraner | Time for the Kernel Team Meeting. Sorry I'm late, schedule mix up. | 17:15 |
| * apw crawls out of the woodwork | 17:15 | |
| pgraner | #startmeeting | 17:16 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:16. The chair is pgraner. | 17:16 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:16 |
| * smb_tp is here | 17:16 | |
| * rtg brushes the splinters off of apw | 17:16 | |
| pgraner | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:16 |
| pgraner | Agenda is at the above link | 17:16 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels | 17:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels | 17:16 |
| pgraner | Intrepid/Hardy/Others | 17:17 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: where do we stand? | 17:17 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, on the way for dapper-hardy | 17:17 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, currently building | 17:17 |
| rtg | pgraner: intrepid -security built, awaiting publishing. | 17:17 |
| smb_tp | gutsy and hardy needed a bit more brushing because some custo flavours broke over the abi bumper | 17:18 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: Cool. Anything else on that front? | 17:18 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, no not for -security | 17:18 |
| apw | does the current intrepid proposed include the -security fix? | 17:19 |
| rtg | apw: indeed, that is the rule | 17:19 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: what about bug fixing anything in the pipe? | 17:19 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, I plan to roll the big -stable update with some more bugfixing for hardy soon | 17:19 |
| rtg | smb_tp: with stable updates? | 17:20 |
| smb_tp | rtg, yes | 17:20 |
| smb_tp | rtg, so it get more test time | 17:20 |
| rtg | good | 17:20 |
| smb_tp | I think I have finally everything building | 17:20 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Jaunty Status | 17:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jaunty Status | 17:21 |
| smb_tp | again various falvour wanted love | 17:21 |
| pgraner | BenC: How are we doing? | 17:21 |
| smb_tp | -rt is updated to a more recent version | 17:21 |
| BenC | pgraner: a little behind schedule, but looks like we'll have an upload today finally | 17:22 |
| pgraner | BenC: what was the hold up? | 17:22 |
| BenC | Lots of stuff kept popping up like ubuntu/* module build failures, changes in asm include location that needed to be handled for proper linux-headers-* packages, some merges in the rebase caused build failures... | 17:23 |
| BenC | I emailed a list of the modules I disabled in ubuntu/ (nothing critical) to kernel-team@ so people can get to forward porting them | 17:23 |
| rtg | BenC: do we still need gfs? I thought gfs2 would supersede it? | 17:23 |
| rtg | p.s. I removed ubuntu/e1000e | 17:24 |
| BenC | rtg: I seem to remember fabbione saying we wouldn't need it any more after intrepid, but need to verify | 17:24 |
| BenC | the via_chrome module I still need to remove | 17:24 |
| BenC | was added to mainline in .28 | 17:24 |
| BenC | rtg: thanks | 17:25 |
| BenC | rtg: I'll squash that entirely in the next rebase | 17:25 |
| pgraner | BenC: What if any new .config features did .28 bring in over .27? | 17:25 |
| BenC | pgraner: 64-bit xen support was the big one...quite a few new drivers as well | 17:26 |
| BenC | There were a few new scheduler options which are enabled, but we still have cgroups as default | 17:26 |
| pgraner | BenC: At UDS we have a session to review each config option and determine if its needed, if not a reason why. | 17:27 |
| rtg | BenC: are we still gonna carry i386 non-PAE ? | 17:27 |
| BenC | pgraner: have you set aside two days for that session? That's a lot of config options | 17:28 |
| BenC | pgraner: or is this just a .27->.28 config option review? | 17:28 |
| rtg | maybe we should look at the ones that aren't set first. | 17:29 |
| pgraner | BenC: Two hours, is all we get... The idea is to really review the "questionable ones" and determine if we need them or not. Things we don't turn on we need to document why. | 17:29 |
| BenC | rtg: non-PAE is dropping support for a lot of equipment | 17:29 |
| pgraner | BenC: one we do it the first time every UDS we just have to look at the delta | 17:29 |
| BenC | mostly the epia folks | 17:29 |
| rtg | BenC: makes sense to move it into the -ports kernel, we talked about it at the Hardy UDS. | 17:29 |
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| rtg | s/Hardy/Intrepid/ | 17:30 |
| BenC | rtg: like a -386-smp kernel? | 17:30 |
| rtg | BenC: well, I was thinking more about booting the UP flavour. | 17:31 |
| rtg | or did we already in Intrepid? | 17:31 |
| BenC | rtg: we did that in intrepid | 17:31 |
| BenC | -386 is in -ports | 17:31 |
| rtg | right, I forgot. too many configs | 17:31 |
| BenC | rtg: however -generic is non-PAE | 17:31 |
| BenC | 32-bit I mean | 17:31 |
| BenC | 32-bit -server is PAE | 17:32 |
| rtg | right, which is going to start causing issues on +4GB systems. | 17:32 |
| apw | is numa enabled in any of them? | 17:32 |
| rtg | anyway, a good UDS topic. | 17:32 |
| BenC | rtg: with 64-bit flashplayer, that's becoming more the way to go with these +4G systems anyway | 17:32 |
| BenC | right, UDS topic for sure | 17:33 |
| BenC | lots of variables in this one | 17:33 |
| BenC | apw: -server kernels | 17:33 |
| BenC | apw: wait, not 32-bit -server | 17:33 |
| amitk | lpia needs to be decided too. Since there was talk of getting rid of the lpia arch itself | 17:33 |
| rtg | apw: NUMA on amd64 only | 17:34 |
| pgraner | amitk: That topic is on the schedule | 17:34 |
| apw | ta | 17:34 |
| smb_tp | amitk, rid of as in use i386 or move to -ports? | 17:34 |
| amitk | smb_tp: use i386 arch instead of a separate lpia arch | 17:35 |
| smb_tp | amitk, ok | 17:35 |
| pgraner | BenC: Anything else? | 17:36 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] ARM Status | 17:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Status | 17:36 |
| pgraner | amitk: how goes it? | 17:36 |
| amitk | configs rebased to 2.6.28 and homogenized | 17:37 |
| amitk | work started on omap configs | 17:37 |
| BenC | pgraner: I tested a dkms build against the new headers and it built fine | 17:37 |
| BenC | fglrx to be exact, but it crashes xorg | 17:37 |
| pgraner | BenC: nice, seems to be the ritual lately | 17:37 |
| pgraner | amitk: you have all the info you need from the mobile team to keep moving forward? | 17:38 |
| amitk | pgraner: for the moment, yes. I do need people to test those kernels though :) | 17:38 |
| pgraner | amitk: where is the NSLU2 one, I can at least test that | 17:39 |
| amitk | pgraner: it is in the archive now | 17:39 |
| rtg | amitk: what kind of hardware does it require? | 17:39 |
| rtg | I still have a Beagleboard | 17:39 |
| amitk | rtg: no kernel for beagleboard yet. | 17:39 |
| rtg | i'm off the hook, then | 17:40 |
| pgraner | amitk: you have flashing procedures for the NSLU2 yet? | 17:40 |
| amitk | pgraner: I am running off a USB stick | 17:40 |
| pgraner | amitk: ah, ok. | 17:41 |
| pgraner | amitk: anything else? | 17:41 |
| amitk | I'll find links to the hardware page for the armel flavours and post it so people can test it | 17:41 |
| amitk | thats it | 17:41 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 17:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 17:41 |
| pgraner | Anyone have anything they want/need to bring up? | 17:42 |
| rtg | Intrepid update in -proposed, install it and test. | 17:42 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, maibe upload right for kernel? | 17:42 |
| * pgraner has it just need to reboot | 17:42 | |
| pgraner | smb_tp: UDS (jono will be talking to everyone about it) | 17:43 |
| * apw is waiting for the meeting to end to download it, but has a number of happy bug reporters who have run it | 17:43 | |
| smb_tp | pgraner, ok | 17:43 |
| rtg | Still messing with Intrepid compat-wireless in LBM. | 17:43 |
| ScottK | I'd like to bring up the possibility of including the Dazuko access control modules in the kernel for Jaunty. | 17:43 |
| ScottK | http://dazuko.dnsalias.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 17:43 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://dazuko.dnsalias.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 17:43 |
| ScottK | It looks like they are finally serious about getting into the main line kernel, so it might be supportable. | 17:44 |
| rtg | ScottK: this is outside mainline still? | 17:44 |
| ScottK | Yes, but working to get in. | 17:44 |
| rtg | yep- just read that | 17:44 |
| ScottK | Which they weren't for a while, so I didn't bring it up. | 17:44 |
| rtg | so, earliest mainline inclusion is .29 | 17:45 |
| ScottK | The immediate use case (where I'm interested) is for Klamav on-access file scanning. | 17:45 |
| rtg | we can sure look at it. | 17:45 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 17:45 |
| rtg | apw also has a new driver he wants in Intrepid. | 17:46 |
| ScottK | I know zip about kernel stuff, so there isn't much I can do other than want it. | 17:46 |
| apw | there is a little laptop support driver for the panasonic laptops | 17:47 |
| rtg | ScottK: send an email request to the kernel team list. kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com | 17:47 |
| apw | which might be appropriate for inclusion | 17:47 |
| ScottK | rtg: WIll do. | 17:47 |
| pgraner | ScottK: once you send it to the list, I'll add it to the UDS feature discussion list for inclusion | 17:48 |
| apw | i am just building it now for testing, we used to have support for these laptops back in gutsy timeframe, and do not now | 17:48 |
| pgraner | Anyone else on Open Discussion? | 17:48 |
| ScottK | pgraner: Thanks. Writing the mail now. | 17:49 |
| pgraner | Ok moving on then... | 17:49 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] UDS | 17:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UDS | 17:49 |
| pgraner | The UDS schedule is 95% complete, I have two open 1 hour slots left... | 17:49 |
| pgraner | Current schedule is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/kernel/ | 17:50 |
| pgraner | [LINK] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/kernel/ | 17:50 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/kernel/ | 17:50 |
| rtg | pgraner: is that accessible to everyone? | 17:50 |
| ScottK | pgraner: Sent. | 17:50 |
| rtg | it asked me for a login | 17:50 |
| pgraner | rtg: should be you need a LP account | 17:51 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, got to it | 17:51 |
| * pgraner could be wrong tho | 17:51 | |
| BenC | rtg: openID? | 17:51 |
| apw | the highlighted squares seem a little random | 17:51 |
| rtg | pgraner: its was my LP account info that I used. | 17:51 |
| BenC | rtg: it uses your launchpad openid login | 17:51 |
| rtg | BenC: right, but I'd like to advertise it some of our visitors that might not have an LP account | 17:52 |
| rtg | Broadcom, forexample. | 17:52 |
| pgraner | If you looking on the meeting agenda page for today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting you'll see various team members have been given various topics to work on. | 17:52 |
| pgraner | rtg: I'll see if we have a public schedule someplace | 17:52 |
| BenC | rtg: they will need lp accounts in order to be included in the scheduling | 17:52 |
| apw | pgraner, what is the significance of the greyed out status on some of these? | 17:53 |
| pgraner | I'd like each of the Canonical kernel team to look at the areas they have and fill out the spec wiki page (linked from the blueprint) | 17:53 |
| pgraner | apw: each color is a different kind of session (talk, blueprint, plenary...) | 17:54 |
| apw | oh its just poor color choice, not some bold some not, doh | 17:54 |
| pgraner | Any suggestions for the two open sessions? | 17:55 |
| rtg | apw: this schedule is also deceptive in that it only shows the kernel track. there are probably up to 4 tracks. | 17:55 |
| rtg | pgraner: leave 'em open so we can mingle in other tracks | 17:56 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: I'm not sure it warrents a session but I'd like bring up the upstream vanilla kernel topic again (ie providing an upstream kernel package) | 17:56 |
| pgraner | rtg: That was a thought as well | 17:56 |
| rtg | ogasawara: good topic | 17:57 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: we can hit that in the process session. Just go to the wiki page for that session and add it so we dont' forget | 17:57 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: will do, thanks | 17:57 |
| rtg | pgraner: were you gonna mention FOSS camp? | 17:58 |
| pgraner | rtg: what about it? | 17:59 |
| rtg | just that it exists in conjunction with UDS | 17:59 |
| rtg | I'll be there. | 17:59 |
| pgraner | rtg: As I | 17:59 |
| pgraner | BenC: are you going? | 17:59 |
| * pgraner can't remember | 17:59 | |
| rtg | pgraner: seems like he was | 18:00 |
| BenC | pgraner: yeah | 18:00 |
| pgraner | BenC: Ok... | 18:00 |
| BenC | arriving on the 4th | 18:00 |
| * pgraner on the 3rd | 18:00 | |
| rtg | I goofed and am arriving on the 3rd also | 18:00 |
| * rtg moderates ScottK's email out of existence (just kidding) | 18:02 | |
| pgraner | I was thinking about dropping the Roundtable of the agenda due to the team size and the time it takes. Any objections? We can just fold it into the open discussion as needed... | 18:02 |
| rtg | wfm - that way I can hide if I've nothing to say. | 18:03 |
| smb_tp | pgraner, fine with me 2 | 18:03 |
| apw | works for me | 18:03 |
| pgraner | sweet | 18:03 |
| lieb | fine here | 18:03 |
| pgraner | Ok last thing is ogasawara's bug list... | 18:04 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: how are we looking | 18:04 |
| * pgraner forgot to add it to the agenda :-( | 18:04 | |
| ogasawara | pgraner: the team did awesome last week - of the 35 bugs, 25 got addressed | 18:04 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: are the new guys helping or hurting? | 18:04 |
| * pgraner guesses helping | 18:05 | |
| ogasawara | pgraner: definitely helping | 18:05 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: the rate of new bugs coming in has slowed a bit too which is nice | 18:05 |
| sconklin | woot | 18:05 |
| pgraner | Great work folks | 18:05 |
| * apw polishes his 'swat' badge | 18:05 | |
| sconklin | although, I think there are no low hanging fruit left :) | 18:05 |
| pgraner | sconklin: time to start climbing the "tree" | 18:06 |
| rtg | sconklin: sure there are, anything with an upstream patch attached. | 18:06 |
| pgraner | Anything else folks? | 18:06 |
| apw | nothing here | 18:07 |
| smb_tp | nope | 18:07 |
| sconklin | no | 18:07 |
| lieb | no | 18:07 |
| pgraner | Ok, thats it then | 18:07 |
| pgraner | #endmeeting | 18:08 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:08. | 18:08 |
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