[02:32] <genii> Maybe it doesn't look at locale or so
[02:47] <scientes> can i go into the install partition editor after having installed
[02:50] <genii> scientes: Yes, it's gparted
[02:50] <scientes> the alternate
[02:50] <scientes> trying to set up raid
[02:55] <edge> when ever i try to connect to my mail server, it "actively refuses" the connection , but i cannot find a firewall running, ipchain is ruleless, ufw is not enabled
[08:46] <kraut> moin
[08:50] <milestone> hi all
[08:50] <milestone>  is it possible to configure ssh server in a way that root logins by password are diabled but pubkeys work?
[08:51] <milestone> without disabling password logins by default
[09:00] <soren> milestone: Don't set a root password?
[09:01] <maswan> soren: if you still want a root password for the console, "PermitRootLogin without-password" in sshd_config would also work
[09:02] <milestone> soren: ??? how can is not set one?
[09:02] <soren> milestone: Ubuntu by default doesn't have a root password. If your root account has a password, it's because you gave it one.
[09:02] <nijaba> milestone: that how the root account is by default after install
[09:02] <soren> maswan: Ah, right you are.
[09:03] <milestone> soren: it is a random passwort
[09:03] <milestone> not an empty one
[09:03] <soren> milestone: I didn't say an empty one.
[09:03] <soren> I said "doesn't have one".
[09:03] <soren> Very different things.
[09:03] <milestone> maswan: that is a good solution i will try it
[09:03] <soren> An empty password will allow anyone to log in without a password.
[09:04] <soren> Not setting a password will not let anyone in no matter which password they try.
[09:04] <maswan> soren: For us with ldap for user directory and kerberos auth, we kind of need the root with local password in case networking etc breaks.
[09:04] <milestone> soren: i know. but the root account does have a password after installation it is just randomly generated
[09:04] <soren> milestone: No, it doesn't.
[09:04] <milestone> maswan: that is when you have updatedb-nss for the rescue ;)
[09:05] <soren> maswan: Either that or a local user with sudo privileges, yeah :)
[09:05] <milestone> soren: i remember a bug where the installer logged the root password in early versions
[09:05] <maswan> soren: Yup.
[09:05] <milestone> maswan: i recommend updatedb-nss and libpam-ccred
[09:06] <soren> milestone: The installer has never, ever asked you for a root password.
[09:06] <milestone> soren: it has not asked you it has generated one and logged it in the installer log
[09:06] <milestone> soren: believe me
[09:06] <soren> No, it hasn't.
[09:07] <maswan> At another set of machines I admin "PasswordAuthentication no" just to require anyone issuing priviledged commands to have both key and password (for sudo).
[09:07] <maswan> milestone: can't find those packages
[09:07] <soren> maswan: Me too :)
[09:07] <milestone> soren: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-262-1
[09:08] <milestone> soren: it has
[09:08] <henkjan> soren: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/34606
[09:08] <maswan> henkjan: Yes, that's not a password for a root account though.
[09:08] <hads> Looking in shadow solves it.
[09:09] <milestone> maswan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nss-updatedb&searchon=names&suite=intrepid&section=all
[09:09] <milestone> maswan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=intrepid&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ccred
[09:10] <soren> henkjan: It's not the root password.
[09:10] <soren> The installer has never, ever asked for a root password.
[09:10] <milestone> soren: noone said that
[09:10] <soren> True.
[09:10] <soren> Well, it never ever autogenerated one either.
[09:10] <soren> It just doesn't set one.
[09:10] <henkjan> soren: not the root passwd, but enough to give you root privileges
[09:10] <soren> henkjan: Yes.
[09:11] <soren> henkjan: This discussion started with milestone wanting to disable password logins for root over ssh.
[09:12] <milestone> soren: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/13/0525254
[09:12] <milestone> cite... An extremely critical bug and security threat was discovered in Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10 earlier today by a visitor on the Ubuntu Forums that allows anyone to read the root password simply by opening an installer log file
[09:13] <soren> milestone: Yes. henkjan just linked to the bug.
[09:13] <soren> milestone: a) It's not the root password.
[09:13] <soren> milestone: b) It was in Breezy! Released in 2005.
[09:14] <maswan> Yes, but I can still feel the pain from it. We got hit by that bug.
[09:14] <soren> maswan: Everyone did :)
[09:15] <maswan> soren: Well, I expect some newcomers since 2006 not getting hit. ;)
[09:16] <milestone> soren: agreed
[09:17] <soren> No random password for unix account were ever generated.
[09:55] <nme> hi guys :)
[10:00]  * nijaba just updated the server faq to include some details regarding the root account -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq#Why%20doesn%27t%20Ubuntu%20provide%20a%20root%20account%20account%20by%20default
[10:13] <frojnd> My isp blocks 22 port by default. So I've forwarded 10022 tcp and udp ports to my computer. Now I don't know what would be the command to allow incoming connections on port 10022 for ssh service. Any assistance would help.
[10:15] <soren> frojnd: /etc/ssh/sshd_config has a "Port" directive.
[10:15] <soren> frojnd: There's also the ListenAddress directive.
[10:16] <soren> Consult the sshd_config man page for more info.
[10:18] <frojnd> soren: you meant this: # What ports, IPs and protocols we listen for
[10:18] <frojnd> and than there is 22
[10:24] <frojnd> Apperantly that's it
[10:25] <frojnd> I also have http protocol and I've forwarded 1080 and don't know where do I have to set this ?
[10:46] <scientes> how can i turn on XDMCP sharing via terminal?
[10:53] <soren> scientes: In GDM?
[10:53] <scientes> yes
[10:54] <soren> There should be something like an [xdmcp] section in gdm.conf somewhere.
[10:54] <soren> or gdm.conf.local or whatever it's called nowadays.
[10:54] <scientes> wow, thats the file im in trying to find it
[10:55] <soren> Huh?
[10:55] <scientes> i guess google led me in the right direction :)
[10:55] <soren> Are you trying to find the file or the section?
[10:55] <scientes> just found it
[11:01] <scientes> damn didnt work
[11:10] <scientes> yeah that file doesnt affect anything
[11:10] <scientes>  /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[11:11] <scientes> its not changing anything
[11:31] <SpunkMeYeR> hi all
[11:31] <SpunkMeYeR> how can i perform downgrade using python2.4
[11:32] <SpunkMeYeR> now i'm using ubuntu server 8.04
[11:32] <SpunkMeYeR> by the default it came with python2.5
[11:39] <soren> What's the problem?
[11:41] <ahasenack> is IA64 compatible with x86_64 packages? Or do we have a specific build for IA64?
[11:42] <soren> ahasenack: Specific build.
[11:42] <soren> It's a completely different architecture.
[11:42] <ahasenack> soren: it's in the regular mirrors or something special?
[11:42] <soren> ports.ubuntu.com
[11:43] <soren> ahasenack: Only officially supported architectures are on archive.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <ahasenack> soren: how is it maintained? We got a guy with such a machine and intrepid, and he wants to try out landscape, but he has the stub package installed (version 0.1), so I'm guessing the "real" intrepid was not ported to ia64
[11:44] <soren> Those are i386 and amd64, sparc until Dapper (AFAIR), and armel from Jaunty and onwards.
[11:45] <soren> ahasenack: "best effort"
[11:45] <ahasenack> sommer: ok, thanks
[11:45] <soren> ahasenack: Canonical doesn't dedicate man power to maintain it, but we have buildd's for it, so if someone cares, it could work.
[11:46] <ahasenack> soren: I see it does have the real client: http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/landscape-client/landscape-client_1.0.23-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_all.deb but probably not referenced in the appropriate pkglist
[11:47] <soren> ahasenack: Yes, it is.
[11:48] <ahasenack> so maybe its dependencies are not right for ia64
[11:48] <ahasenack> I'll check with the guy
[11:48] <soren> ahasenack: I'm looking at the Packages file for ia64 right now, and it's certainly listed. Ask him for the output of "apt-cache policy landsape-client" or perhaps "apt-cache showpkg landscape-client"
[11:48] <ahasenack> ok, thanks
[11:48] <soren> ahasenack: Yeah, just the output from "apt-get install landscape-client" might reveal the problem.
[12:12] <LoveGuru> Hello, I just install "ubuntu-desktop" package but i dont want X server start at boot up. i want to start my server manullay when i need it. is there anyhow i can do that?
[12:15] <ogra> LoveGuru, sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm /etc/rc2.d/K30gdm
[13:34] <SpunkMeYeR> hi all
[13:34] <SpunkMeYeR> i'm using ubuntu server 8.04
[13:35] <SpunkMeYeR> how can i install postgresql8.1?
[13:35] <SpunkMeYeR> i try using aptitude install postgresql8.1 but no result
[13:45] <kirkland> soren: ping
[13:45] <kirkland> soren: regarding https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/301717
[13:45] <kirkland> soren: seems kvm and qemu are providing conflicting man pages
[13:45] <kirkland> soren: would it make sense to create a qemu-common that kvm depends on?
[13:46] <kirkland> soren: and try to get that -common into main?
[13:49] <Faust-C> SpunkMeYeR, apt-cache search postgresql
[13:51] <SpunkMeYeR> ok.. thanks
[13:51] <SpunkMeYeR> i manage to install postgres using "aptitud install postgres"
[13:52] <SpunkMeYeR> what is default password for postgres user ?
[13:52] <Jeeves_> SpunkMeYeR: sudo -u postgres bash
[13:52] <Jeeves_> psql template0
[13:53] <SpunkMeYeR> thanks Jeeves_
[13:58] <soren> kirkland: I don't think it's worth the effort.
[13:58] <soren> kirkland: I fixed that bug earlier today, by the way. I hadn't noticed a bug report about it.
, when i run psql template0 there is an error message
[13:59] <SpunkMeYeR> psql: FATAL:  database "template0" is not currently accepting connections
[14:00] <soren> ssh e
[14:00] <soren> Yeah, that'll work :(
[14:02] <Jeeves_> SpunkMeYeR: Ow, sorry
[14:03] <Jeeves_> template1
[14:03] <SpunkMeYeR> Ok Jeeves_ Thanks again
[14:31] <kirkland> soren: okay, shall i mark that one fix-released?
[14:48] <soren> kirkland: I see you already did :) Thanks.
[14:48] <kirkland> soren: no prob, looked like the right thing to do ;-)
[14:53] <robertj> hey all, slightly OT, but can anyone recommend an 16-port USB + PS2 KVM that works properly?
[15:38] <sandstrom_> Having problems with docx being identified as 'application/x-zip'. I have tried to install "file info" in vain, and the mime_magic extension doesn't seem to work either. Anyone who have run across this problem and solved it. Would very much appreciate any guidance after spending 4 hours on this problem.
[15:42] <Koon> sandstrom_: no clue, have you tried asking in #ubuntu ? You'll find more desktop-oriented specialists there.
[15:42] <sandstrom_> this is a server problem
[15:43] <sandstrom_> this is PHP not being able to identify the file correctly. Thus I have tried to install the "File info" extension which should be able to do this better the PHPs default magic_mime.
[15:43] <Koon> sandstrom_: ah, so you're serving that file through Apache, I suppose.
[15:43] <sandstrom_> yes
[15:44] <sandstrom_> although it's php's mime_content_type that fails to identify the docx file correctly.
[15:51] <Koon> sandstrom_: well, docx are ZIP files, so it's not entirely wrong... but I see what you mean
[15:52] <Koon> sandstrom_: the comments over at http://docs.php.net/mime_content_type suggest to create an encapsulation function to override the mime types that mime_content_type guesses wrong
[15:54] <sandstrom_> Koon: thanks for the suggestion. Will try, although it would be nicer to do it properly
[16:25] <kirkland> soren: could you sponsor the patch for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-virt/+bug/282716
[16:26] <kirkland> soren: also, could you have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/277517 ?
[16:27] <soren> kirkland: That's in main?!?
[16:27]  * soren is puzzled
[16:28] <kirkland> soren: what's in main?  ubuntu-virt?
[16:28] <soren> Yeah.
[16:28] <kirkland> soren: yes, it's in the pkgsel on the server install cd
[16:28] <kirkland> soren: "Virtualization Server"
[16:29] <soren> ubuntu-virt 1.2 is already in the archive, by the way.
[16:29] <soren> It's been there since mid-October, it seems.
[16:32] <soren> Oh, ubuntu-virt-mgmt is in universe. Ok. That explains
[16:33] <kirkland> soren: right
[16:34] <zul> mathiaz: when you get a chance this afternoon can you look at mysql merge im completely and utterly confused about it
[16:34] <kirkland> nijaba: sommer: I added some bits about RAID at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq
[16:34] <mathiaz> zul: ok
[16:34] <sommer> kirkland: sweet thanks
[16:35] <kirkland> sommer: i'm not sure if it's what we're going for, but i added some important considerations, i think
[16:36] <mpt> dendrobates, I'm currently double-booked for UDS's server installer look-and-feel session, so if you want me to be there I suggest you arrange for me to be an essential subscriber
[16:36] <sommer> kirkland: looks good to me
[16:37] <dendrobates> mpt: I think the foundation team scheduled it, but I'll make sure you are essential.
[16:38] <kirkland> soren: the kvm for lpia and ia64 is the other one ...
[16:40] <soren> kirkland: I know kvm supports ia64 (I know the guy who handles that port), but I'm not sure it's included in the tarball yet?
[16:40] <kirkland> soren: k
[16:40] <mpt> thanks dendrobates
[16:40] <kirkland> soren: the request came for persia, fwiw
[16:41] <kirkland> soren: i built that one in my ppa for lpia
[16:41] <soren> kirkland: IIRC, he didn't know about the ia64 thing.
[16:41] <kirkland> soren: but i have no ia64 boxen
[16:44] <ivoks> am i too late? :/
[16:44] <sommer> nope
[16:44] <soren> ivoks: You're in the wrong channel. :)
[16:45] <zul> hi ivoks
[16:45] <ivoks> :)
[16:49] <ivoks> sorry for long absence; i had lots of private stuff to solve; i'll digg into jaunty asap
[18:19] <dragonmantank> Over the weekend I had an 8.04.1 box lose power and now sendmail is trying to send all mail locally... any ideas what I can check?
[18:23] <Karamon> Hello, I was wondering if when I do a dist-upgrade (beacuse I have several upgrades "kept back" [bind9, linux-image-server, etc.]) any configuration files would be overwritten or if a dist-upgrade is not even really necessary.
[18:24] <ScottK> Karamon: If there are config files you've changed you'll be prompted for which you want to keep.
[18:24] <ScottK> Karamon: You can either dist-upgrade or manually select to install the held back packages.  It gets you to the same place.
[18:24] <Karamon> ScottK: Thanks :)
[18:25] <ScottK> Dist-upgrade is slightly better because then the packages don't get marked manually installed.
[18:39] <nijaba> kirkland: thanks for the FAQ
[18:39]  * delcoyote hi
[18:39] <kirkland> nijaba: no problem, hopefully that's sort of what you wanted?
[18:39] <kirkland> nijaba: i don't have much to say on the hw raid controller front
[18:39] <nijaba> kirkland: yes, it looks great
[18:40] <kirkland> nijaba: i'll keep that page in mind as I think of other considerations
[19:29] <Ahmuck> hi.  i'm trying to setup software raid1 for ubuntu server and failing at it.  i've been using a tutorial for gutsy/hardy.  can someone point me to a better tutorial?
[19:32] <mibocote> Ahmuck: where are you having difficulty?
[19:34] <sommer> !serverguide
[19:34] <sommer> Ahmuck: you might check out the Advanced Installation > RAID section
[19:35] <dragorn> I've got a hardy ubuntu-server install (on an alix, if someone thinks that makes any difference).  Everything is copacetic if the vga is connected, if it isn't, grub hangs just before loading the kernel at "Starting Up".  Turned off quiet, splash, set vga=normal, tried directing console to serial, no joy.  Vga connected works, vga disconnected hangs.  Anyone seen anything like that?
[19:37] <Ahmuck> sommer: i don't see advanced installation in that guide
[19:38] <sommer> Ahmuck: woops: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/index.html
[19:38] <sommer> sites been updated
[19:47] <dragorn> Ah.  For what it's worth it appears to be an EDID bug and linked to the alix boards, and the ubuntu kernels have firmware_edid enabled
[19:52] <Ahmuck> i've been told not to use nvidia hardware raid on the mobo but to use software raid
[19:52] <dragorn> hahah with the ultra-ghetto fix of shorting pins 6 and 12 on the vga to force edid nonsense.
[19:56] <Ahmuck> ok, i had this problem yesterday.  i get an error following that method.
[19:59] <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.com/mc0dab38 - that is the error
[19:59] <Ahmuck> at the "Create MD Device" option
[20:02]  * jmedina preferes to create soft raid by hand with mdadm
[20:33] <unit3> Anyone know if there's problems with open-iscsi in 8.10?
[20:33] <unit3> I made a connection to my target and did some operations, then I did some work on the target (which is 8.04.1) and ended up restarting the target.
[20:33] <unit3> And now the initiator thinks it's connected, but it just fills dmesg with errors when I try to do operations.
[20:34] <unit3> I've restarted open-iscsi on the initiator machine, and it claims it connects to the target fine, but still, any ops on the scsi device it assigned originally (/dev/sdh) cause tons of errors.
[20:35] <unit3> errors tend to look like this: sd 18:0:0:0: [sdh] Result: hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK
[20:58] <harpoon1> i installed ubuntu server using an IDE drive and all went well.  I attempted to do the same using 1 sata drive instead of ide, and the install succeeded, including GRUB.  However when I go to reboot, I get no grub menu, ( perhaps hidden ) and get a black screen with blinking cursor.  I tried switching terminals but still black and blinking... ( no messages to see )
[21:03] <unit3> harpoon1: this is likely a boot problem with your BIOS, it sounds like it isn't trying to boot off the correct drive.
[21:03] <unit3> It's also possible that the grub install didn't complete correctly, and that it needs to be done manually from a livecd.
[21:04] <harpoon1> ok, I'll try booting in using livecd and running the grub stuff.
[21:04] <unit3> ok, but make sure to check the bios settings first.
[21:04] <unit3> because grub really depends on the bios being set correctly for it to be able to make the right install decisions.
[21:04] <Conmiro> I need help
[21:04] <harpoon1> for the bios settings, should I use PATA & SATA, or just SATA?
[21:04] <Conmiro> I installed ubuntu server and tried to boot
[21:04] <Conmiro> but It said my cpu does not have pae
[21:05] <Conmiro> is there live cd for ubuntu server?
[21:05] <harpoon1> unit3: where to I get info on how to setup bios for linux?
[21:08] <harpoon1> unit3: my sata drive is detected as the 3rd primary drive, with no drives detected as 1st primary...
[21:11] <unit3> harpoon1: that's fairly normal, you just need to find in your bios where it says the boot order, and make sure that SATA drive is the first in the list of hard drives (probably second in the entire list after your cdrom)
[21:11] <unit3> also, if your bios has sata compatibility options, you'll want to enable all the advanced features so that Linux can take advantage of them.
[21:13] <harpoon1> unit3: the boot order is correct.  the cd rom is first and the sata drive is second.
[21:13] <unit3> ok, that's good then.
[21:14] <unit3> if you boot off a live CD, I can walk you through manually re-installing grub, and that should fix it.
[21:15] <unit3> also, what ubuntu release did you install? 8.10? 8.04.1?
[21:15] <harpoon1> that's awesome... I'm not at the location until tomorrow morning, but it was buggin' me so here I am asking...
[21:15] <unit3> ahhh ok.
[21:15] <unit3> Well, I can't guarantee I'll be around here tomorrow.
[21:16] <unit3> but you still should be able to reinstall grub from a terminal off the live environment, so give it a shot, anyway.
[21:16] <harpoon1> thanks
[21:16] <unit3> np
[21:16] <harpoon1> should I install grub on the MBR?
[21:16] <unit3> yeah, unless you've got a good reason not to.
[21:16] <harpoon1> (hd,0) instead of (hd0)?
[21:17] <unit3> no, just (hd0) should do it.
[21:17] <harpoon1> ok, not it makes sense
[21:17] <harpoon1> (hd0,1) installs grub on the disk partition 1?
[21:17] <harpoon1> (hd0) installs grub on the first bios disk?
[21:17] <unit3> yeah, on the mbr.
[21:18] <unit3> although (hd0,1) is actually the second partition, since grub numbers from 0
[21:18] <unit3> so if your /boot is /dev/sda1, then you'd do this:
[21:18] <unit3> root (hd0,0)
[21:18] <unit3> setup (hd0)
[21:19] <harpoon1> is root not on (hd0,1)?  I thought maybe the first partition was a small linux pratition for booting or something...
[21:19] <unit3> and the quit grub and reboot. ;)
[21:19] <unit3> Well, it depends on how you partitioned it.
[21:19] <harpoon1> I let  ubuntu server partition...
[21:19] <unit3> And grub's concept of "root" just means the filesystem the kernel lives on, which is usually /boot
[21:20] <harpoon1> ah ok.
[21:21] <harpoon1> unit3: do I not need to run grub-update or something?
[21:22] <unit3> update-grub will update your /boot/grub/menu.lst file, which is grub's configuration file. You can run that if it looks like the file isn't up to date, but the one the installer put there should be current.
[21:22] <unit3> Doesn't hurt to run it anyway.
[21:22] <unit3> Grub's nice in that once it's installed on the mbr, you can just edit that file to make config changes, and you don't need to re-install it.
[21:23] <unit3> But I was gonna say, you'll have to take a look at the partitioning on the drive when you log into the live environment, to see what to use for grub's root command.
[21:23] <unit3> If you've got a separate /boot partition, use that, otherwise use the / partition.
[21:24] <harpoon1> got it.
[21:24] <unit3> great. :)
[21:25] <harpoon1> if it went throught the whole install ok, it must be just grub
[21:26] <harpoon1> if I installed ubuntu when the bios showed my 1st and 2nd primary as nothing, 3rd primary as CD, 4th primary as my sata drive:(
[21:26] <harpoon1> most likely what caused this to happen
[21:33] <unit3> maybe.
[21:34] <unit3> Although grub usually doesn't get confused over CD drives.
[21:34] <unit3> But a grub reinstall should fix it, regardless.
[22:12] <selinuxium> hi all, i am trying to load my first vm using kvm... I am trying to use virt-install -v (interactive) and am stuck at 'What would you like to use as the disk (file path)?' What do I need to input to continue?
[22:12] <unit3> well, generally you need a disk image or lvm segment to install to.
[22:12] <unit3> If you don't have one created, you can make one with qemu-img.
[22:13] <unit3> which is in the qemu package, iirc.
[22:14] <selinuxium> unit3: what would you ddo
[22:14] <selinuxium> ?
[22:15] <unit3> well, depends... how big do you want your disk image to be? do you want to allocate all the space up front (which is faster for access), or only have it use disk space as it's allocated in the VM (which saves local disk usage)?
[22:15] <unit3> There's lots of considerations when setting this stuff up. :)
[22:17] <selinuxium> unit3: I am used to using VMware but want to use KVM... I have a server host (ubuntu) at the office and want to create test environments...  Can you move from one type to another post creation?
[22:17] <unit3> Not easily. Mostly because the disk image formats aren't cross compatible.
[22:17] <unit3> If you can convert the disk images, then generally you can move from one to the other.
[22:18] <unit3> Note that if you're used to VMWare and want to do virtualization on Linux, you might be best served at looking into virtualbox before KVM.
[22:18] <unit3> It includes more of the nicer management tools you'll be familiar with, and it's packaged for most major distros.
[22:18] <selinuxium> unit3: If i used a lvm I could expand the logical partition? then expand the volume to match?
[22:19] <unit3> selinuxium: well, that depends on what filesystem you use inside the VM.
[22:19] <selinuxium> unit3: If I did that I may as well stick with VMware :)
[22:19] <unit3> huh?
[22:19] <unit3> Why?
[22:19] <unit3> virtualbox is open source and freely available, it's a pretty compelling alternative to vmware, IMO.
[22:20] <selinuxium> unit3: true... :)
[22:20] <unit3> plus, performance and compatibility is better than KVM in my testing, although that changes all the time since they're both active projects.
[22:20] <unit3> but in any case, you could certainly expand a logical volume, but whether your VM will expand to that space depends on the filesystem you use inside the vm, and whether it supports expansion.
[22:21] <selinuxium> unit3: so if it is ntfs inside the lvm...? :)
[22:21] <unit3> then you should be able to expand it, yeah, although you might have to use Linux tools depending on the version of Windows you're running.
[22:21] <unit3> IIRC Vista supports expanding ntfs, but older desktop releases don't.
[22:21] <unit3> Don't know about the server versions.
[22:22] <selinuxium> unit3: ok cool... :) Thannks for the discussion. I am learning lots... :)
[22:22] <unit3> no prob. I've done lots of work with VMs in the past couple years, and mostly on Ubuntu or Debian, so ask away. :)
[22:23] <unit3> Oh yeah, the other nice thing about virtualbox is that because it's also available for windows, other linux, etc, it makes the VMs more portable, since you can just copy your entire virtualbox configs (including disk images) to another platform and run them.
[22:23] <unit3> Oh, OS X and Solaris will run virtualbox too.
[22:25] <selinuxium> unit3: what are the benefits of using KVM against the others, or am I jumping in too early?
[22:25] <unit3> KVM's handy because its included in the kernel, so it'll be available by default on most recent distros.
[22:25] <unit3> Other than that, not much, it's not very featurful or compatible compared to most other options.
[22:25] <unit3> Is there a specific reason you're looking at kvm?
[22:26] <selinuxium> unit3: also, battery will die on laptop soon so if I suddenly disappear that is why...
[22:26] <unit3> haha ok
[22:26] <selinuxium> unit3: only that it was the way ubuntu jumped so I wanted to see why...
[22:27] <selinuxium> sorry, canonical...
[22:27] <selinuxium> unit3: will Virtualbox install on an X'less server?
[22:27] <unit3> Well, they went that way just because it was included in the kernel proper, and so support was easy to include by default in Ubuntu.
[22:28] <unit3> I don't think it was based on any particularly rigorous technical comparisons or anything. :)
[22:28] <unit3> Plus, they include virtualbox in the official apt sources now, so IMO it's equally well supported.
[22:28] <unit3> selinuxium: IIRC it will install without X, but you'll have a harder time managing it. There is a commandline program to manage the VMs, but I'm not sure how well it compares to what kvm offers.
[22:29] <unit3> You'd have to try them out and see what you think.
[22:29] <unit3> oh, thought of another difference between the two:
[22:30] <unit3> kvm requires virtualization support in your CPU. virtualbox will work without it, but you can't have 64-bit guests without it even if the host is 64-bit.
[22:30] <unit3> So for 32-bit VMs, VirtualBox will work on hardware that kvm won't run on.
[22:31] <selinuxium> but you can have 64bit guest if you do?
[22:32] <selinuxium> unit3: ^^^
[22:32] <unit3> yep
[22:32] <unit3> as of the 2.4 release IIRC
[22:32] <unit3> 64 bit guests work as long as you've got virtualization support in your CPU.
[22:33] <unit3> oh, 2.0 release, sorry.
[22:33] <unit3> They're only on 2.0.6, so there is no 2.4 release. ;)
[22:33] <selinuxium> unit3: thanks for all you help I will give Vbox another bash! :) Going to shutdown before I fall down. Thank you again! :)
[22:33] <unit3> Haha no problem, good luck. :)
[22:34] <selinuxium> TTFN