[00:06] <R1cochet> rshakin: did u dl the xubuntu-restricted pack?
[00:06] <R1cochet> supplies all the plugins u need like flash..........
[00:07] <rshakin> yeah
[00:08] <rshakin> i have it in the repo
[00:08] <rshakin> sorry driving
[00:08] <R1cochet> No Problem man :)
[00:08] <R1cochet> be carefull
[00:10] <rshakin> yeah something about drivng on the freeway at 75 and typing sounds like a bad idea
[00:11] <rshakin> shit gas is 199 here... very nice
[00:11] <knome> $?
[00:11] <R1cochet> where?
[00:12] <rshakin> so cal
[00:12] <rshakin> orange county
[00:12] <R1cochet> i think he means $1.99
[00:12] <R1cochet> Laughing My Ass Off im in long beach
[00:12] <knome> i beat you both
[00:12] <knome> i'm in finland
[00:13] <R1cochet> read in the paper other day place in pasadena sells gas at 1.7?
[00:14] <R1cochet> nice man love finish women, was in europe last year and met some really cool fins
[00:15] <knome> i also love a finnish woman ;)
[00:16] <R1cochet> rshakin: if u want to get ur screensaver to work u have to add "gnome-screensaver" to auto started apps :)
[00:17] <djbushdio> i use xscreensaver
[00:17] <djbushdio> oh yeah
[00:17] <Nikke> Hey when i activate compiz in xubuntu my panel get this opacity? Can i disable that?
[00:18] <R1cochet> check compiz channel
[00:19] <R1cochet> weird i use compiz and dont have that problem
[00:19] <hraban> hi, it's me again
[00:19] <hraban> I reinstalled xubuntu, 8.04 this time
[00:19] <Nikke> R1cochet, really?
[00:19] <hraban> but I didn't manage to install grub
[00:19] <hraban> it failed during installation :/ I installed it through another computer but I have no idea what commands I should give it to load the kernel properly
[00:20] <R1cochet> Nikke: yea no issue at all. weird i used compiz on 8.04 and 8.10 and never that issue.
[00:20] <Nikke> R1cochet, when i put my mouse over the panel i get full opacity
[00:20] <hraban> I got as far as loading the kernel properly but it panics, complaining the root= option is not good. iirc the installer said to give root=/dev/sda1 but that doesn't work >.<
[00:20] <Nikke> but when i move the mouse away from the panel it gets a opacity
[00:20] <R1cochet> Nikke: i dunno man, check #compiz-fusion
[00:21] <Nikke> R1cochet, okey, thanks anyway
[00:23] <Nikke> R1cochet, i found it now
[00:23] <Nikke> some settings
[00:23] <Nikke> i havent seen in 8.04
[00:23] <hraban> how can I restore what would initially have been the menu.lst?
[00:27] <Nikke> R1cochet, can i remove ubuntu in xubuntu??
[00:27] <Nikke> i think i can but forgatt the link
[00:27] <knome> !purexfce | Nikke
[00:28] <Nikke> knome, thaanks
[00:39] <NotADJ> Xubuntu install taking a long trime
[00:39] <p42g> good eve,anyone have any probs lately with any new updates?
[00:40] <p42g> starting this morn my system has been restarting itself
[00:40] <knome> NotADJ, how much RAM do you have?
[00:40] <NotADJ> 160 :P
[00:40] <p42g> im wondering if this is a update isue or pos my system is reading my cpu temp as high?
[00:40] <knome> p42g, sounds weird. can you try to run an older kernel and see if the problems disappear?
[00:40] <NotADJ> Alternate
[00:40] <knome> p42g, cpu temp or memory errors are also possible.
[00:40] <p42g> im not sure what updates i put in yesterday
[00:41] <NotADJ> I think it is the CD drive.
[00:41] <NotADJ> Slow
[00:41] <p42g> memory errors?
[00:41] <knome> NotADJ, that's quite little. it might be the ram
[00:41] <NotADJ> Possibly.
[00:41] <knome> p42g, yes... errors in the physical memory usually lead to random boots.
[00:41] <NotADJ> 3% now!
[00:41] <NotADJ> :D
[00:41] <p42g> posisibly one of my sticks is having issues?
[00:41] <knome> NotADJ, good luck. running it might be a little helll
[00:42] <p42g> ok ill have to try and remove one at a time and see if it helps
[00:42] <knome> p42g, yes, possibly. you can run a memcheck from a live cd
[00:42] <NotADJ> Maybe :D
[00:42] <p42g> oh ok ill try that first and see what it comes up
[00:42] <NotADJ> 4%
[00:42] <knome> p42g, it might take quite long, but is worth it, imho...
[00:42] <p42g> thanks for ur time
[00:42] <knome> np.
[00:43] <NotADJ> 4++
[00:43] <NotADJ> 5++
[00:43] <NotADJ> :P
[00:43] <knome> ok you can stop flooding
[00:43] <NotADJ> No problem!
[00:43] <NotADJ> !flood > NotADJ
[00:44] <NotADJ> That was stupid, /me stops.
[00:44] <s1amson> 'lo
[00:44] <knome> hello.
[00:44] <s1amson> hi knome
[00:45] <s1amson> know of anyone thats got xmms::remote to install?
[00:45] <s1amson> or bundle::xmms
[00:45] <knome> not really. do you have problems installing? can you find it in the repos?
[00:45] <s1amson> nope and ive googled since last night
[00:46] <s1amson> keep getting this error (the skinny version) /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86dga
[00:47] <kai> I been trying to work around this problem, is there anyway to get files of 4gb on Xubuntu?
[00:47] <s1amson> then it goes on to tell me:   /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK
[00:48] <s1amson> make is installed propperly however or i wouldnt have got this far
[00:48] <knome> s1amson, are you sure it's not a problem with the perl lib?
[00:49] <s1amson> knome, its possible but i have installed bundle::cpan
[00:49] <s1amson> havent had any other cpan errors
[00:49] <knome> kai, hmm? sure?
[00:50] <kai> knome,  what do I need to do?
[00:50] <s1amson> knome, think it may be the makefile.pl thats bad?
[00:50] <knome> kai, for me it works ootb
[00:50] <knome> s1amson, i have no idea :)
[00:50] <s1amson> thx anyway.
[00:50] <knome> np.
[00:50] <s1amson> kai, what fs are you using?
[00:50] <knome> at least i got the same error
[00:50] <kai> ext3
[00:50] <s1amson> google.com/linux ext3 4gb?
[00:51] <s1amson> ive had no problems with it either
[00:51] <s1amson> i use reiserfs though
[00:51] <kai> hold on lemme check
[00:51] <NotADJ> Stuck on 6%
[00:51] <s1amson> speaking of reiser... didnt his wife turn up dead some time ago?
[00:51] <kai> its been a while since I had to do anything with it
[00:52] <knome> s1amson, #xubuntu-offtopic ;)
[00:52] <NotADJ> s1amson: Why is Reiser >
[00:52] <s1amson> sorry, it was a /. from a while back. just crossed my mind, i can google :]
[00:53] <s1amson> NotADJ, im not sure that it is.
[00:53] <dcolish> you guys dont read wired do you?
[00:53] <s1amson> ive just never had a problem with file size while using it
[00:54] <s1amson> dcolish, when ive read everything else at barnes & noble. which is a rare occasion. ours still gets 2600
[00:59] <kai> knome, when I use fdisk it just says linux
[00:59] <kai> So im not 100% sure
[00:59] <NotADJ> knome: Would the install be faster if I were to connect it to a Network?
[01:00] <knome> NotADJ, suppose not.
[01:00] <dcolish> s1amson: well there was an article about reiser in wired a year ago
[01:00] <NotADJ> knome: If it is CD only, does it rely more on the CD?
[01:01] <s1amson> dcolish, i think knome would prefer we take that to query
[01:02] <knome> dcolish, s1amson: #xubuntu-offtopic is a fine place for that :)
[01:02] <s1amson> knome, i got that covered, thx :P
[01:02] <knome> hehe
[01:02] <knome> it's not query ;)
[01:02] <s1amson> what client? /query knome works just fine in xchat
[01:03] <s1amson> or was that an invite to join another channel
[01:04] <knome> s1amson, /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:04] <s1amson> apparently so
[01:04] <kai> knome, so you dint have this problem, this sucks. I can't d/l any blu-ray disk or anything
[01:05] <s1amson> if 4gb limit you'd have a hard time downloading a linux dvd too.
[01:05] <knome> kai, i haven't heard it would be impossible. sorry.
[01:06] <kai> its odd and frustrating at the same time, what command what I use to actually see the partition type of my devices
[01:06] <kai> Fdisk doesn't tell me
[01:06] <s1amson> kai, you can always try to back up what you have (just incase) and use gparted to convert/reformat the partition
[01:06] <kai> what what I reformat as then?
[01:06] <s1amson> fdisk is a windows tool innit?
[01:06] <kai> no, its a linux tool
[01:06] <s1amson> i wouldnt expect it to tell you much
[01:07] <knome> kai, 'mount' shows the fs types.
[01:07] <kai> ha, good idea
[01:07] <s1amson> fdisk was in my old school dos
[01:07] <kai> yea its ext3
[01:07] <s1amson> just assumed it was a winders thing
[01:07] <kai> So I should user resier and I woudn't have this problem
[01:08] <s1amson> kai, i cant promise that you wont, but i dont have that issue with reiser
[01:09] <kai> whats the diffrence between the 2?
[01:09] <s1amson> im pretty sure that a buddy of mine used ext3 for his /home and hes never complained
[01:09] <s1amson> kai, thats way above my head. i have no clue how a file system works
[01:09] <s1amson> nor do i know anyone that does tbh
[01:18] <knome> ok, it's 3:18am here, so good night everybody
[01:19] <s1amson> night
[01:23] <R1cochet> night knome
[01:39] <kai> s1amson, its cool Thanx tho
[02:06] <Mooc1> Hello I need some seeders for the 8.04 xubuntu torrent i386
[02:07] <Mooc1> can anyone seed the torrent please so I can upgrade?
[02:08] <s1amson> i downloaded from the webby, took 15 minutes.
[02:14] <R1cochet> umm why dont u upgrade to 8.10?
[02:14] <deus_> vid
[02:14] <deus_> vidd
[02:14] <deus_> gah
[02:14] <deus_> the apic=off isnt working
[02:14] <deus_> its still crashing
[02:15] <deus_> gah
[02:18] <NotADJ> Install Failed
[02:18] <NotADJ> :(
[02:19] <s1amson> NotADJ, define failed (sorry im catching up)
[02:20] <s1amson> asking cause i have a sata 2
[02:20] <s1amson> i had to switch bios to legacy mode
[02:21] <NotADJ> s1amson: Red Screen during configure and install software
[02:21] <s1amson> didnt have that issue :\ sry i cant help
[02:22] <NotADJ> Sure :D
[02:22] <NotADJ> During 6%
[02:22]  * NotADJ looks for integrity problem.
[02:22] <s1amson> try burning the disk slower...?
[02:24]  * NotADJ will se if there is one in a minute
[02:26] <NotADJ> 46% done with check, 0 errors :/
[02:29] <hallyn> testing the xubuntu livecd under kvm (xubuntu 8.10), it appears to hang on squashfs with 256M, while it boots fine with 512M
[02:33] <scribawf> need some advice on how to locate/install & run minicom any help?
[02:37] <NotADJ> Incognito <3
[03:08] <NotADJ> Still Slow :(
[03:08] <The-Kernel> huh?
[03:09] <NotADJ> 6% -- uuid-runtime
[03:10] <NotADJ> FOUND IT!
[03:10] <NotADJ> uuid-runtime - Corrupt, but integrity was fine....
[03:12] <NotADJ> Hmm
[03:12] <NotADJ> Will have to try again tomorrow.
[03:14] <NotADJ> md5sum on iso is fine
[03:14] <NotADJ> Will try tomorrow,
[03:19] <Malder> Can someone help me, I'm trying to figure out how to turn on file and print sharing
[03:22] <likemindead> Probably best to go with Samba.
[03:22] <likemindead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[03:23] <Malder> thanks
[03:23] <likemindead> No problem. The documentation is very thorough.
[03:41] <likemindead> Real quiet in here....
[03:43] <R1cochet> HELLO! likemindead
[03:46] <likemindead> How goes it?
[03:48] <R1cochet> not bad, just looking for new emerald themes
[04:12] <R1cochet> in terminal how do i navigate to a directory with spaces in the name?
[04:12] <R1cochet> like cd /home/myname/desktop themes
[04:16] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: cd ~/desktop\ themes
[04:16] <Odd-rationale> or just use tab :P
[04:18] <R1cochet> Odd-rationale: thank you so much
[04:18] <Odd-rationale> np
[04:19] <R1cochet> ahhh tab completion i love it
[04:19] <R1cochet> u the man
[04:21] <Odd-rationale> another solution is "mv desktop\ themes desktop_themes"
[04:22] <R1cochet> i too many folders with spaces to start doing that :)
[04:23] <R1cochet> i have*
[04:23] <Odd-rationale> (yeah, me too... :P )
[04:44] <R1cochet> ße ßack £ater
[11:06] <Morpho> hi all, need help ...
[11:06] <Morpho> someone willing ?
[11:06] <Morpho> the point is, i cant get GDM starting.
[11:07] <Morpho> toc toc
[14:41] <jxander> hi there... i just installed xfce and pulse audio doesn't start automatically. in gnome, after i login, padevchooser is connected. In xfce i always have to type pulseaudio -D for it to work. any ideas?
[14:47] <ablomen> jxander, settings => settings manager => autostarted apps :)
[15:01] <killerbyte> hello everybody
[15:02] <jxander> ablomen, doesn't pulseaudio need some more sophisticated startup? :P
[15:04] <jxander> well... thanks ablomen :)
[15:06] <killerbyte> i had this problem before but i cant remember how to fix it
[15:06] <killerbyte> you guys helped me before
[15:06] <killerbyte> my xfce4 panel wont stay put
[15:06] <killerbyte> i have to enter xfce4-panel in terminal for it to appear
[15:07] <killerbyte> and i have to keep terminal running
[15:07] <killerbyte> can you please tell me how to get it to stay with terminal closed?
[15:07] <killerbyte> thanks very much
[15:07] <jarnos> killerbyte: Alt-F2
[15:08] <killerbyte> very good
[15:09] <killerbyte> jarnos, i hope that stays after next reboot
[15:09] <killerbyte> thanks though
[15:11] <jarnos> killerbyte: You are welcome. Do you often loose xfce4-panel? Which release are you using?
[15:11] <killerbyte> intrepid
[15:11] <killerbyte> just happened once before
[15:11] <jarnos> killerbyte: It happened to me too today as I installed Intrepid.
[15:12] <killerbyte> unlucky
[15:13] <jarnos> killerbyte: my short report about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/301995
[15:29] <killerbyte> jarnos, interesting
[15:29] <killerbyte> i g2g
[15:29] <killerbyte> bye
[15:37] <jarnos> What are the keybindings to use in xfce4-terminal to copy-paste text?
[15:45] <jarnos> I made a package list named pl in file and then applied "cat pl | xargs sudo apt-get --assume-yes --force-yes install".
[15:46] <dcolish> jarnos: how'd that work out for you?
[15:46] <jarnos> Problem is that there was sun-java6-bin included in the list and the execution is paused in license screen.
[15:47] <soren> Mind you, there are some gotchas there. If any of the packages in "pl" asks for anything, it gets its response from the same filedescriptor.
[15:47] <jarnos> I hope I don't have to download the packages again since it took long time.
[15:47] <soren> jarnos: You won't. That packages will still be there, if you didn't "apt-get clean".
[15:49] <jarnos> How should I quit the paused command?
[15:50] <soren> ctrl-c.
[15:50] <jarnos> soren: Is there a better way to install packages from a list in a file so that it is more interactive?
[15:50] <soren> jarnos: Yes.
[15:50] <soren> while read pkg
[15:50] <soren> do
[15:50] <soren> echo $pkg install
[15:50] <soren> done < pl | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[15:50] <soren> sudo dselect install
[15:52] <jarnos> soren: I lost cursor by ctrl-c
[15:53] <soren> I'm sure you'll manage without it.
[15:55] <jarnos> soren: No. I start a new terminal window/tab
[15:55] <soren> Heh. Ok.
[16:00] <jarnos> soren: Shame dselect is not included in default installation, if it is the way to do the job.
[16:01] <jarnos> soren: I can't even install it.
[16:01] <jarnos> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:01] <jarnos> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:02] <soren> jarnos: Your old apt-get is still running.
[16:02] <soren> Kill it.
[16:05] <jarnos> soren: I tried by gnome-system-monitor, but it seem gnome-system-monitor killed itself instead :(
[16:05] <soren> I'm kind of busy right now. I'm sure someone else can explain how to kill a process.
[16:06] <jarnos> soren: kill -9?
[16:06] <soren> Don't ever kill -9 anything before you've at least tried kill -15 and kill -2 first.
[16:07] <jarnos> soren: Thanks for the advice.
[16:08] <jarnos> I have apt-get, dpkg, frontend, preinst, whiptail running. I guess they are all there for the original command.
[16:10] <jarnos> I hope I don't mess up package management bad time if I kill all those.
[16:14] <soren> If you don't kill -9 anything, it should all handle it somewhat gracefully.
[16:16] <jarnos> soren: The other kills don't work for "apt-get": "bash: kill: (8035) - Operation not permitted"; I did not try to kill the other processes.
[16:19] <soren> You need to "sudo kill"
[16:19] <soren> apt-get runs as root.
[16:19] <soren> (so does dpkg, whiptail, etc. etc., by the way)
[16:21] <jarnos> soren: Thanks. Killing apt-get killed the others at once.
[16:22] <soren> Indeed
[16:24] <jarnos> soren: I have to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[16:25] <soren> That would be a good start.
[16:25] <soren> Instead of dselect, you could also:
[16:25] <soren> sudo apt-get install `cat pl`
[16:28] <jarnos> soren: great, but does pl has to be a single row list?
[16:29] <soren> No.
[16:30] <jarnos> soren: First time I use `- character.
[16:31] <jarnos> soren: I suppose it has different meaning thant ' or "
[16:32] <soren> Yes.
[18:34] <jarnos> soren: thanks, it worked fine with the apt-get command. (I used it to "reinstall" some packages after upgrade to 8.10.)
[19:37] <jarnos> My xorg.conf is empty after 8.10 installation.
[19:37] <vinnl> jarnos, it's supposed to be empty :)
[19:38] <Conmiro> I need help
[19:38] <jarnos> vinnl: So can you change "Virtual" setting elsewhere to enable extended desktop?
[19:39] <vinnl> jarnos, extended desktop? You mean with multiple desktops?
[19:39] <vinnl> Conmiro, with what?
[19:39] <Conmiro> ok
[19:39] <Conmiro> I am trying to set up my os as a server
[19:39] <Conmiro> Ive done it with my windows xp using xampp
[19:39] <Conmiro> but when I try to go to my IP with ummmm Xubuntu, It won't load
[19:40] <Conmiro> localhost works fine though
[19:40] <vinnl> Conmiro, are you using XAMPP or the official Apache, PHP and MySQL packages?
[19:40] <Conmiro> i downloaded xampp
[19:40] <Conmiro> it came with all that
[19:40] <Conmiro> Im on xp os right now
[19:40] <vinnl> I'd recommend using the official installation (which is also easy to install)
[19:40] <jarnos> vinnl: I mean e.g. "xrandr --output VGA --above LVDS"
[19:40] <Conmiro> where is that
[19:40] <vinnl> Also, there's a special server edition of Ubuntu
[19:41] <Conmiro> oh
[19:41] <Conmiro> I need that instead?
[19:41] <Conmiro> Well, ive tried server edition and I got installed, But when Booting, I got pae error
[19:41] <Conmiro> said my cpu does not have pae
[19:41] <Conmiro> Anyway around this?
[19:41] <vinnl> Conmiro, if you open Synaptic Package Manager, you can select "Mark Packages by Task" in the Edit menu, from where you can select "LAMP Server" that will install all the required stuff
[19:42] <Conmiro> uhh
[19:42] <Conmiro> in xubuntu?
[19:42] <vinnl> jarnos, sorry, doesn't mean anything to me :(
[19:42] <Conmiro> SHould I get on xubuntu?
[19:42] <vinnl> Conmiro, yep
[19:42] <Conmiro> ok
[19:42] <Conmiro> wait ehre k?
[19:42] <vinnl> Sure
[19:42] <vinnl> Though,
[19:45] <jarnos> vinnl: I mean a desktop that continues from one display to another.
[19:46] <jarnos> vinnl: Currently the command gives (provided both outputs are on): xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1360x1360 (desired size 1280x1568)
[19:46] <vinnl> jarnos, I'm only using one screen myself... All I know is that it's normal that xorg.conf is empty with the new version and that most stuff is supposed to be autoconfigured now
[19:47] <dcolish> jarnos: you need to set your screen size in your xorg
[19:48] <jarnos> dcolish: ok.
[19:51] <jarnos> I read somewhere that "InputDevice" sections are omitted. But I had a hack there for 8.04 for keyboard: "Option          "XkbOptions"    "nbsp:none"  # Makes all space-like normal whitespace"
[19:51] <jarnos> How do you do it in 8.10?
[19:52] <dcolish> jarnos: same way you'd do it in 8.04. you have screen section that you have to define the max size you want
[19:53] <jarnos> dcolish: I mean the keyboard thing.
[19:54] <dcolish> jarnos: you'll need to look at fdi files in the ubuntu wiki
[19:55] <jarnos> dcolish: fdi?
[19:55] <dcolish> just google it
[20:02] <Conmiro> Enter text here...sorry
[20:02] <Conmiro> I installed all 4 suggestions cause I didint think it was working
[20:03] <Conmiro> I didint know had to restart browser
[20:03] <Conmiro> vinnl?
[20:03] <vinnl> Conmiro, ?
[20:03] <Conmiro> yes
[20:03] <Conmiro> Im on xubuntu now
[20:03] <vinnl> Which 4 suggestions?
[20:03] <Conmiro> plugins
[20:03] <Conmiro> to install
[20:03] <Conmiro> had to install java
[20:04] <dfgrsdrsg> hey, anyone here using an external RAID 1 harddisk? can this raid(controller?) run ext3?
[20:04] <Conmiro> Am I the only one that sees the watermake on the chat screen?????
[20:04] <Conmiro> try looking at the screen from a angle
[20:04] <vinnl> Conmiro, which application are you using?
[20:05] <Conmiro> firefox
[20:05] <vinnl> For chat?
[20:05] <Conmiro> fifrefox
[20:05] <Conmiro> oh
[20:05] <Conmiro> java 6
[20:05] <vinnl> Java is not a chat application
[20:05] <Conmiro> idk
[20:05] <Conmiro> :(
[20:05] <Conmiro> gogloom.com irc
[20:05] <Conmiro> is that what u mean?
[20:05] <vinnl> Probably
[20:05] <vinnl> Then that site is to blame
[20:06] <jxander> how do i browse the local network in xfce?
[20:06] <Conmiro> lol
[20:06] <Conmiro> localhost
[20:06] <Conmiro> enter that in browser
[20:06] <Conmiro> if you want other people to be able to access it, stick with me and vinnl
[20:06] <Conmiro> oh
[20:06] <Conmiro> vinnl
[20:06] <vinnl> jxander, you mean with Samba? I have no experience with that, but Google helps, or so I've heard
[20:06] <Conmiro> is there a way to get more than 2 workspaces?
[20:06] <jxander> yeah... samba
[20:06] <jarnos> Now I can't even quit xubuntu: "Quitting the session requires that Xfce's session manager (xfce4-session) is running, but it was not detected.  Please quit Xfce via another means." xfce4-session is running anyway. BTW: This happened earlier today so I had to start xfce4-panel again by Alt-F2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/301995
[20:07] <Conmiro> o.o
[20:07] <Conmiro> try system montiro to manually shut down
[20:07] <vinnl> Conmiro, try "Workspaces and margins" from the Settings Manager
[20:07] <Conmiro> kk
[20:07] <Conmiro> thanks
[20:08] <Conmiro> omg freakin awesome
[20:08] <Conmiro> glad I made my swap space 4gb!!!!
[20:08] <Conmiro> ok
[20:08] <Conmiro> now
[20:08] <Conmiro> for my earlier question
[20:08] <Conmiro> How I make localhost public
[20:09] <jarnos> Conmiro: How do you shut down by System Monitor?
[20:09] <Conmiro> i opened synpaptic packagemanager
[20:09] <Conmiro> look for it and press terminate
[20:09] <Conmiro> or kill process
[20:10] <vinnl> jarnos, System Monitor is not for shutting down
[20:10] <Conmiro> oh I think hes talking about shutting down a program
[20:10] <vinnl> ^.^
[20:10] <Conmiro> Thats what i though
[20:10] <Conmiro> t
[20:10] <Conmiro> vinnl
[20:10] <Conmiro> what package I install?
[20:11] <vinnl> Conmiro, in the edit menu, select "Mark Packages by Task"
[20:11] <vinnl> Then select "LAMP Server"
[20:11] <Conmiro> ok
[20:11] <dfgrsdrsg> anyone having experiences using ntfs-3g ? if so, good or bad?
[20:11] <Conmiro> ok
[20:11] <Conmiro> installing
[20:11] <vinnl> dfgrsdrsg, I've heard good things about it :P
[20:12] <dfgrsdrsg> oh thanks :)
[20:12] <Conmiro> ok
[20:12] <Conmiro> i think i installed
[20:13] <Conmiro> now what
[20:13] <Conmiro> wwait
[20:13] <Conmiro> 19 packages?
[20:13] <Conmiro> i only selected one
[20:13] <Conmiro> whats going on
[20:13] <vinnl> Conmiro, those are Apache, PHP, etc
[20:13] <Conmiro> oh ok
[20:14] <Conmiro> should i delete my existing xampp files?
[20:14] <Conmiro> its not giving me the option too.....
[20:14] <Conmiro> :(
[20:14] <Conmiro> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[20:15] <vinnl> Conmiro, well, it shouldn't be running, I suppose
[20:15] <Conmiro> whats sudo command to delete?
[20:15] <vinnl> Conmiro, this is probably also useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[20:15] <vinnl> I don't know, you installed it
[20:15] <Conmiro> :(
[20:15] <Conmiro> its fine
[20:16] <vinnl> Did you even need to install XAMPP? I didn't think so
[20:16] <Conmiro> il just continue with installation
[20:16] <Conmiro> idk
[20:16] <Conmiro> downloading package files and then installing :d
[20:16] <Conmiro> is xubuntu a good os to be running as a server?
[20:17] <Conmiro> is it fast and effecient?
[20:17] <Conmiro> vinnl can you help me with remote desktop feature?
[20:18] <vinnl> Conmiro, sorry :(
[20:18] <Conmiro> ok
[20:18] <Conmiro> for what
[20:18] <vinnl> The remote desktop
[20:18] <Conmiro> ok
[20:19] <Conmiro> How I increase download speed? its only at 100kbps I usually get around 500kbps... And im supposed to get 11mbps....
[20:19] <Conmiro> now its at 80kbps
[20:19] <Conmiro> lol my friend said swap space is good for hiding stuff from parents
[20:19] <Conmiro> lol
[20:20] <Conmiro> vinnl?
[20:20] <Conmiro> How I fix montitor display?
[20:20] <Conmiro> I have a extended montior I use as a primary connected to my latop
[20:20] <Conmiro> and it cuts off the recycle bin at left bottom
[20:21] <vinnl> Perhaps you need to adjust your monitor settings with the buttons on it?
[20:21] <Conmiro> yea
[20:21] <Conmiro> it cant zoom out
[20:22] <vinnl> No but perhaps it's under your monitor's edge or something, so you could pan or scale it
[20:22] <Conmiro> found it
[20:22] <vinnl> Oh good
[20:22] <Conmiro> display manager
[20:22] <Conmiro> :D
[20:22] <vinnl> \o/
[20:23] <Conmiro> ?
[20:23] <Conmiro> weve got a problem
[20:23] <Conmiro> my taskbar is gone
[20:23] <vinnl> Press Alt+F2, then run "xfce4-panel"
[20:30] <Conmiro> back
[20:30] <Conmiro> NEVER EDIT MONTIOR SETTINGS
[20:31] <Conmiro> lol it screwed up
[20:31] <Conmiro> ok
[20:31] <Conmiro> i finished installing stuff
[20:31] <Conmiro> now what
[20:31] <vinnl> :P
[20:31] <vinnl> Now you should be able to browse localhost and see "It works!" (you might have to restart first)
[20:31] <vinnl> Oh wait, "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" should work as well if it's not started yet
[20:31] <Conmiro> ive always been able to browse localhost.....
[20:32] <vinnl> Conmiro, yes, but now you can do it using properly installed software
[20:32] <Conmiro> I need other people to be able to access it
[20:32] <Conmiro> ok.
[20:32] <Conmiro> screen popped up saying "IT works!"
[20:32] <Conmiro> where is home dir at
[20:33] <vinnl> Conmiro, you mean where you place a website's files? In /var/www/
[20:33] <Conmiro> ok
[20:33] <Conmiro> how can other people access it
[20:33] <vinnl> I'd check the link above for that
[20:33] <vinnl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[20:33] <Conmiro> will u stay here incase?
[20:34] <vinnl> Yeah but I don't actually have experience making this public
[20:34] <vinnl> But someone else here probably has :)
[20:36] <Conmiro> ok
[20:36] <Conmiro> bind-address           = 192.168.1.2
[20:36] <Conmiro> some command
[20:39] <Conmiro> help
[20:40] <Conmiro> HELP
[20:40] <Conmiro> it says I dont have access to certain files
[20:40] <Conmiro> IM A ADMIN!!!
[20:40] <knome> please calm down
[20:41] <Conmiro> ok
[20:41] <Conmiro> can u help me?
[20:41] <soren> You haven't asked a question.
[20:41] <soren> We can't help people without questions.
[20:41] <Conmiro> yes
[20:41] <vinnl> Conmiro, by the way, why do you want other people to access it?
[20:41] <Conmiro> How do I get access to ALL files?
[20:42] <Conmiro> yes
[20:42] <Conmiro> im running a website
[20:42] <Conmiro> off of my computer
[20:42] <vinnl> I'm not sure if that's wise
[20:42] <Conmiro> it is
[20:42] <Conmiro> Ive done is using windows xp
[20:42] <Conmiro> it works great
[20:42] <Conmiro> trust me
[20:42] <vinnl> Yeah it works, but is it safe?
[20:42] <dcolish> Conmiro: get a virtual slice
[20:42] <Conmiro> What u mean
[20:42] <Conmiro> it is safe
[20:43] <vinnl> Well, you *are* giving other people access to your machine, and if you don't know exactly how it works...
[20:43] <Conmiro> no
[20:43] <Conmiro> they only have access to that directory
[20:44] <Conmiro> well?
[20:45] <Conmiro> guys?
[20:45] <Conmiro> virtual slice?
[20:46] <Conmiro> just now saw that
[20:47] <Conmiro> Enter text herwhats e...
[20:47] <Conmiro> whats virtual slice
[20:48] <Conmiro> ?
[20:48] <dcolish> linode.net, slicehost.com, etc, etc
[20:48] <dcolish> its a vm instance that you own.
[20:49] <Conmiro> virtual machine?
[20:49] <Conmiro> is it easy?
[20:49] <Conmiro> will it work on xubuntu?
[20:49] <dcolish> Conmiro: either way you should read up on firewalls if you're hosting your own public apache server
[20:49] <Conmiro> ive got a few
[20:49] <Conmiro> my router cost $100, its very good
[20:49] <Conmiro> wireless n with extreme firewall
[20:49] <dcolish> hehe :)
[20:49] <Conmiro> ?
[20:50] <Conmiro> compatible speeds of up to 350mbps wireless
[20:50] <knome> my router cost >100¤ and it sucks
[20:50] <Conmiro> 1000mbps wired
[20:50] <Conmiro> ok.
[20:50] <Conmiro> Mabey ur network card doesint support its full power.....
[20:50] <knome> it does and the router is good and works as needed
[20:50] <knome> but still it sucks
[20:50] <Conmiro> ok.....
[20:50] <Conmiro> antway
[20:50] <Conmiro> dcolish
[20:50] <dcolish> this has almost nothing to do with the topic so i'll be brief. you should not host a production site out of your house unless you can support 4-5 9's
[20:50] <knome> and your 100 buck router isn't any better if you don't know how to use it properly
[20:51] <Conmiro> I do
[20:51] <Conmiro> Im smart
[20:51] <Conmiro> set on mutli channel
[20:51] <Conmiro> and set to wireless g mode, cause my computer doesint support N sadly....
[20:51] <Conmiro> getting N card soon
[20:52] <Conmiro> Anyway back on topic
[20:52] <Conmiro> 4-5 9s?
[20:52] <Conmiro> excuse me?
[20:52] <Conmiro> Just let me do what im doing and please help me
[20:53] <Conmiro> I accept the dangers and w/e stuff....
[20:53] <Conmiro> Iv'e aready done it on my windows xp os
[20:53] <Conmiro> but i wana use xubuntu because It's faster.
[20:54] <dcolish> Conmiro: you want me to tell that you're planning something smart, I wont. Besides for apache hosting xubuntu is not the ideal distro
[20:55] <Conmiro> .....
[20:55] <Conmiro> You know what?
[20:55] <Conmiro> Are you saying its better to run it off of windows xp as I was?
[20:55] <Conmiro> dcolish how old do you think I am?
[20:56] <Conmiro> Hi Ahmuck
[20:56] <dcolish> Conmiro: certainly not, but why not use something without an xserver?
[20:56] <Conmiro> like what?
[20:56] <dcolish> ubuntu server
[20:56] <Conmiro> my computer won't boot that
[20:56] <Conmiro> said I don't have pae on my cpu
[20:56] <Conmiro> I've aready tried to install it, but fails at boot
[20:56] <Conmiro> So I deleted..
[20:57] <Conmiro> does xubuntu have a partion cp?
[20:58] <Conmiro> I need to shrink my xubuntu install partition if I'm gonna re-attempt ubuntu server if you have a way to fix the pae error.
[20:58] <Conmiro> You got a way to fix the error?
[20:59] <Conmiro> hi anubis
[20:59] <anubis> Hi
[20:59] <anubis> Can someone help me with a sound driver issue with winamp ?
[20:59] <Conmiro> winamp?
[20:59] <Conmiro> Sorry, I can't
[21:00] <vinnl> anubis, Winamp on Xubuntu? Does that run?
[21:00] <knome> anubis, do you mean xmms?
[21:00] <Conmiro> I didin't think it did....
[21:00] <knome> hi vinnl o/
[21:00] <Conmiro> vinnl
[21:00] <vinnl> Hey knome  :)
[21:00] <Conmiro> pls help me
[21:01] <Conmiro> dcolish left I think
[21:01] <vinnl> Conmiro, sorry, I've said all I know :(
[21:01] <Conmiro> ok
[21:01] <Conmiro> how u pming people?
[21:01] <Conmiro> ive attempted the private command but its not working
[21:01] <anubis> Winamp does run well on Xubuntu
[21:01] <jxander> i've got a dual-head setup with my laptop lcd and an external lcd. i really love how xubuntu handles the two screens, except i don't know how to change from one screen to the other from the keyboard without using the mouse. how could i do this? also, where do i set keyboard shortcuts to multimedia keys on my laptop to be able to control the media player?
[21:01] <knome> Conmiro, pinging isn't really polite
[21:01] <vinnl> Conmiro, type /msg <nick>
[21:01] <Conmiro> pinging??
[21:01] <Conmiro> I havent pinged one person today
[21:02] <knome> aha pming...
[21:02] <knome> k
[21:02] <knome> sorry for my misreading
[21:02] <anubis> I can't get any sound out of it.
[21:02] <Conmiro> hmmm
[21:02] <knome> jxander, for the multimedia keys go to settings manager -> keyboard -> tab shortcuts
[21:02] <Conmiro> why isint pinging polite?
[21:02] <Conmiro> just wondering...
[21:03] <jxander> knome, thanks... any ideas for the screen switching?
[21:03] <knome> jxander, not really. i needed that myself but haven't had time to look out for the answer.
[21:03] <knome> jxander, give me a few minutes and i'll try to google
[21:04] <Conmiro> Can anyone help me with "Ubuntu Server" Install?
[21:04] <knome> Conmiro, try #ubuntu
[21:04] <vinnl> Or #ubuntu-server
[21:04] <Conmiro> ok
[21:04] <Conmiro> join
[21:04] <Conmiro> oops
[21:04] <jxander> knome, hope you'll have greater luck
[21:05] <Conmiro> is there live cd for ubuntu server?
[21:13] <knome> jxander, http://www.ishiboo.com/~nirva/Projects/xwarppointer/
[21:13] <Conmiro> ok
[21:13] <Conmiro> my server seems to be down.....
[21:14] <jxander> knome, so... command to move the cursor from one to another, right?
[21:14] <jxander> cool
[21:14] <jxander> thanks
[21:14] <knome> jxander, you can move the cursor with that app, yes
[21:14] <knome> jxander, but it needs a bit tweaking
[21:14] <Conmiro> I cant load my server
[21:14] <Conmiro> thats wierd
[21:18] <jxander> knome, do you happen to know what handles the multimedia shortcuts in gnome and if there is an alternative for xfce... i see that i need to give a command for the associated play, pause shortcuts. is dbus the answer?
[21:19] <knome> gnome? not really.
[21:20] <jxander> i mean, could i do that with dbus?
[21:20] <knome> i don't know. sorry
[21:20] <jxander> np
[21:20] <jxander> :D
[21:20] <vinnl> I believe something like that recently came up in some mailnglist or another
[21:23] <jxander> is there a samba browser? i've installed the sharing part i think, but i don't know what package i need to be able to browse others... :-s
[21:23] <vinnl> OK never minder that, that was something else
[21:24] <vinnl> Off the top of my head, I've read about PyNeighbourhood
[21:24] <vinnl> (Or PyNeighborhood, I don't know)
[21:24] <jxander> sounds sambaish... thanks :)
[21:33] <jarnos> Fonts are odd-sized now in 8.10, Volume control is gone.
[21:41] <jxander> volume control? what do you mean?
[21:44] <jarnos> jxander: a panel item.
[21:44] <knome> jxander, did you get the xwarppointer working?
[21:45] <jxander> still battling with samba :(... xwarppointer is coming up next...
[21:47] <jxander> jarnos, btw, is there something like subpixel smoothing like in gnome for xfce?
[21:48] <jarnos> jxander: not that I know.
[21:50] <jarnos> But can somebody explain why font size so big in my panel but small in xfce-setting-show
[21:52] <jarnos> jxander: Try checking "User interface" in xfce-setting-show
[21:53] <jxander> jarnos, did that... but still, not the same look as in gnome... :(... do you use fglrx? i had the font problem after installed the restricted drivers :P... had to increase some sizes... don't know if it's a coincidence or what though :P
[21:54] <jarnos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6250865
[21:56] <jxander> you still can't logout? or is it working?
[22:01] <jarnos> jxander: I can logout.
[22:01] <jxander> jarnos, sweet :P
[22:01] <jxander> cool feature, right? :))
[22:07] <Adamagic> hello?
[22:07] <Adamagic> can someone help me with Ubuntu?
[22:08] <jarnos> Adamagic: Preferably Xubuntu here ;)
[22:08] <knome> !persistentusb
[22:08] <knome> !persistent
[22:08] <Adamagic> uh...yeah.. I dont even know the difference
[22:09] <Adamagic> which chatroom should I go to?
[22:10] <knome> Adamagic, #ubuntu is for all Ubuntu distros
[22:11] <Adamagic> thanks
[22:17] <jarnos> jxander: Yes, I like using it occasionally.
[22:17] <jxander> :)
[22:26]  * NotADJ 's install is slow as hell...
[22:28] <NotADJ> 2%
[22:28] <NotADJ> Please wait...
[22:31] <NotADJ> 3%
[22:31] <knome> NotADJ, ok you can stop flooding again.
[22:37] <NotADJ> knome: It is stuck on 6%, once again, different CD!
[22:37] <NotADJ> :P
[22:39] <NotADJ> Urgh
[22:40] <NotADJ> knome: What shall I do?>
[22:40] <knome> buy more ram.
[22:40] <NotADJ> :P
[22:40] <NotADJ> knome: Old computer, not worth it.
[22:40] <knome> buy a new one.
[22:41] <NotADJ> 9_9
[22:41] <knome> we can't promise working environment with that little ram.
[22:41] <knome> you can use the minimal installation if you want
[22:41] <knome> !minimal
[22:42] <knome> but still i don't promise you a working X environment
[22:42] <jxander> NotADJ: how much ram do you have?
[22:43] <NotADJ> jxander: 160 MB
[22:43] <NotADJ> knome: Command Line Gentoo workded :P
[22:43] <tomaustin> hi. i have installed cli version of ubuntu 8.10 ppc alternate onto an ibook g3. i then isntalled xubuntu-desktop and gdm
[22:43] <knome> NotADJ, yes, command line ubuntu *will* work
[22:43] <NotADJ> tomaustin: Cool, nd?
[22:43] <tomaustin> once im logged in and open an application, the app tries to load.. then just doesnt open!
[22:43] <tomaustin> any ideas?
[22:43] <NotADJ> knome: I know.
[22:43] <knome> NotADJ, just use the minimal installation.
[22:44] <tomaustin> and open an application*
[22:44] <NotADJ> knome: xfce??
[22:46] <tomaustin> anyone have any idea why apps will try to load and then just disapear?
[22:46] <NotADJ> tomaustin: xserver misconfiguration?
[22:46] <knome> NotADJ, xfce is not command line.
[22:46] <tomaustin> notadj, how do i check that?
[22:47] <jarnos> NotADJ: Try Ubuntulite http://u-lite.org/?q=node/125
[22:47] <NotADJ> knome: Does minimal use xfce?
[22:47] <knome> tomaustin, try to run an app from terminal and see what output it gives
[22:47] <NotADJ> tomaustin: I forget :P
[22:47] <NotADJ> knome: Will terminal open?
[22:47] <NotADJ> :P
[22:47] <NotADJ> knome: I know
[22:48] <knome> NotADJ, not by default. and as i said, even with minimal i can't guarantee xfce would work. it is *the same os* with no extra packages installed
[22:48] <jarnos> knome: What are those extra packages?
[22:49] <knome> xorg, gui apps, ...
[22:49] <knome> jarnos, there's nothing but the basic CLI
[22:50] <NotADJ> Cool
 ill give it a go
[22:51] <Odd-rationale> i got ubuntu+lxde on a friend's machine that has 128mb of ram...
[22:52] <Odd-rationale> it can do basic stuff like tuxpaint, gcompris, wormux, etc...
[22:52] <knome> Odd-rationale, must be freaking slow? ;)
[22:52] <Odd-rationale> pII or something...
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> or was it a pIII.... i don't remember...
[23:02] <nycz> i want to install dillo 2.0 on xubuntu 8.04, which one of these debs should i use? http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> !info dillo
[23:05] <nycz> Odd-rationale: yes i know, 0.8.6 is in the repos, but i want version 2 :/
[23:06] <Odd-rationale> yeah, just checkin...
[23:06] <Odd-rationale> i would just get the same one as your architect... i don't think it will really matter if you get lenny or etch...
[23:07] <nycz> ok, thanks
[23:07] <tomaustin> hi. whenever i try to open any application in ubuntu 8.10 running xfce on ibook g3.. it thinks about it and then just doesnt do anything! any ideas?
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> tomaustin: try running the command from a terminal? and checking the output?
[23:08] <tomaustin> i cant get terminal.. i could get one from the failsafe session tho
[23:09] <tomaustin> odd-rationale i get segmentation fault on thunar
[23:10] <Odd-rationale> are you running ppc version?
 yes
[23:11] <tomaustin> the ppc 8.10 alternate cli install
[23:11] <tomaustin> then instlled xubuntu-desktop and gdm
[23:11] <Odd-rationale> tomaustin: have you tried #ubuntu-ppc ?
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> !ppc
[23:12] <tomaustin> thanks
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> it is not *officially* supported...
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> sorry, #ubuntu-powerpc
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> tomaustin: ^
[23:13] <tomaustin> :)
[23:16] <Mooch> Are there enough seeders seeding Xubuntu 8.04 iso i386 altern.
[23:18] <Mooch> knome any seeders U know of?
[23:18] <knome> nope.
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> Mooch: i'll start seeding for a bit...
[23:19] <Mooch> yeah please I gotta get this pc upgraded
[23:19] <knome> Mooch, how much do you have left?
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> oh wait... i only have 8.10...
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> sorry...
[23:19] <Mooch> I am at barely 10%
[23:19] <knome> ah
[23:20] <Mooch> I downloaded all last night
[23:20] <knome> Mooch, did you ask for help at the mailing list?
[23:20] <Mooch> but with dial up
[23:20] <Mooch> not yet
[23:20] <knome> or was it somebody else
[23:20] <knome> ok, so where do you live?
[23:20] <Mooch> Mississippi
[23:21] <knome> ok, you might send a mail to the xubuntu-users mailing list and ask whether somebody could send you a cd there
[23:21] <knome> because that's just happened, it will probably be quicker that way
[23:21] <Mooch> yeah I saw some websites offering to sell for like $1.95
[23:22] <knome> i suppose you can get one for free if you ask nicely on the ML
[23:22] <Mooch> what's the website for the mailing list
[23:23] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[23:23] <Mooch> let me bookmark and I'll send them an email
[23:23] <knome> yeah, and good luck.
[23:24] <Mooch> I am gonna need it
[23:25] <Mooch> if you know of any seeders please ask them if they could to seed the 8.04 altern. i386
[23:25] <Mooch> thanks knome I appreciate it
[23:25] <NotADJ> knome: Minimal CD stuck on same 6%!
[23:25] <NotADJ> What the hell.
[23:26] <knome> you're welcome. if it looks like you're not getting a cd i can seed for you.
[23:26] <NotADJ> !language | NotADJ
[23:26] <NotADJ> :P
[23:26] <Mooch> great knome I'll let you know thanks bud
[23:26] <NotADJ> Stupid Ubuntu
[23:28] <sinbox> I can sell you a shrinkwrap copy of windows Me if you want NotADJ it should work
[23:29] <NotADJ> sinbox: I'd prefer to use Gentoo CLI, actually :P
[23:29] <sinbox> not surprised I must say
[23:29] <NotADJ> :D
[23:30] <NotADJ> My NIC is flashing, so I'll wait a bigt
[23:30] <NotADJ> Until it fails
[23:30] <knome> NotADJ, so tell me, *why don't you* ?
[23:31] <NotADJ> knome: Don't what?
[23:31] <knome> use gentoo cli, if you prefer that?
[23:31] <NotADJ> knome: I'd like a desktop.
[23:32] <sinbox> how low powered is your machine?
[23:32] <knome> go into a furniture store then
[23:32] <knome> NotADJ, how do you suppose ubuntu is any lighter than gentoo?
[23:33] <sinbox> you could go with fluxbox or something similar instead of a "proper" desktop NotADJ
[23:33] <NotADJ> knome: Gentoo was what *was* on this computer, I have a Debian Server, and a Ubuntu Desktop (And a Fedora VM)
[23:34] <NotADJ> Is there a way to make the installer verbose?
[23:34] <knome> NotADJ, yes? i still don't see why you want to change away from something you prefer.
[23:35] <NotADJ> knome: I'd prefer xubuntu over CLI only...
[23:35] <knome> NotADJ, then you might have to buy some more ram. ok?
[23:36] <nycz> anyone here who knows a good lightweight filebrowser?
[23:36] <knome> nycz, isn't thunar lightweight enough?
[23:36] <sinbox> for free RAM check your local freecycle or similar group
[23:36] <NotADJ> 9_9
[23:36] <NotADJ> IT MOVED!
[23:36] <NotADJ> Lol
[23:37] <nycz> knome: faster is much better :/ i feel like im running with full ram and swap all the time
[23:37] <NotADJ> nycz: Kernel Buffers do that
[23:37] <Odd-rationale> nycz: i use mc
[23:37] <knome> nycz, you can check with top if it's thunar what is eating it
[23:37] <nycz> NotADJ: kernel buffers?
[23:37] <nycz> Odd-rationale: midnight commander?
[23:37] <Odd-rationale> nycz: yeah
[23:38] <NotADJ> Yeah
[23:38] <nycz> knome: hm
[23:38] <NotADJ> http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/phpsysinfo-dev/?template=classic
[23:39] <knome> you don't need phpsysinfo to look at what is going on
[23:39] <knome> it will just eat the resources more
[23:39] <nycz> well then while we're at it, anyone knows a lightweight web browser?
[23:39] <NotADJ> knome: Kernel Buffers o_o
[23:40] <knome> nycz, epiphany / midori (@ testing stage)
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> nycz: elinks?
[23:40] <nycz> Odd-rationale: isnt that only textbased?
[23:40] <NotADJ> netcat/telnet :D
[23:40] <nycz> knome: will check out
[23:40] <TheSheep> nycz: there is a plugin that displays images
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> nycz: yup!
[23:40] <TheSheep> w3m has such a plugin too
[23:40] <knome> TheSheep, images of sheep?
[23:40] <NotADJ> telnet google.com 80
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> i hear that dillo is pretty fast as well...
[23:40] <NotADJ> GET http://....
[23:40] <TheSheep> knome: mainly, yes
[23:41] <knome> a-ha ok
[23:41] <knome> thanks for information
[23:41] <TheSheep> NotADJ: that's a malformed request already
[23:41] <NotADJ> TheSheep: Argh!
[23:41] <NotADJ> :P
[23:41] <nycz> would you people happen to know if midori is faster than firefox?
[23:42] <TheSheep> !info w3m-img
[23:42] <NotADJ> Wow.
[23:42] <NotADJ> I forgot that there is no soundcard in this PC
[23:42] <NotADJ> Old
[23:42] <nycz> NotADJ: welcome to the club (almost)
[23:42] <NotADJ> :D
[23:43] <nycz> NotADJ: i have three possible soundcards for this comp... only one works, and thats partially
[23:43] <NotADJ> :P
[23:44] <nycz> well, sitting on a quite old computer really redefines the word "fast" ._.
[23:44] <knome> nycz, it is.
[23:45] <nycz> knome: very nice :D no more bloatfox
[23:45] <knome> nycz, even epiphany is
[23:45] <nycz> hm
[23:45] <nycz> how do i see memory usage?
[23:46] <nycz> i tried gnome's system monitor but it filled half my ram :S
[23:46] <TheSheep> nycz: system->system monitor
[23:46] <nycz> ohhhhnonono
[23:46] <TheSheep> terminal -> free
[23:46] <nycz> ah
[23:46] <nycz> :)
[23:46] <TheSheep> also top
[23:47] <nycz> ouch
[23:47] <nycz> vlc takes 12% of my cpu
[23:47] <nycz> and firefox takes 40% of my memory :(
[23:49] <TheSheep> sounds about right
[23:50] <nycz> hm
[23:51] <nycz> why is something i xkilled still active in top?
[23:51] <NotADJ> nycz: killall -K KILL <process>
[23:51] <nycz> oh ok
[23:53] <NotADJ> Oh my..
[23:53] <nycz> that didn't work :S
[23:53] <nycz> NotADJ: ?
[23:53] <NotADJ> It seems as if my install has paused.
[23:54] <nycz> :S
[23:54] <knome> nycz, kill -s kill [pid]
[23:55] <NotADJ> Ir started again!
[23:55] <NotADJ> W00t
[23:59] <nycz> hm