=== gletelli__ is now known as gletelli [04:51] hi, sorry to ask but are there kde 4.2 packages for intrepid? [05:13] birnisson: They are planned, but not until release. We'll have beta packages for Jaunty. (This is all IIRC). [05:13] !neon [05:13] The Neon Project provides daily Amarok and KDE 4 trunk builds as packages for Kubuntu | See http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/User:Apachelogger/Project_Neon and http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/User:Apachelogger/Project_Neon/KDE for more [05:13] there is ^ that if you really want the latest [05:15] nice thanks [11:04] hola [11:04] I have intrepid installed on my laptop, but normally use a larger external lcd attached to it - with hardy, this was autodiscovered, and kdm/kde was started in the resolution of this external screen [11:05] this doesn't happen anymore, but instead it auto-adjusts as I open the screen component in system settings ... what can I do, or where should I report the bug? [11:07] gotta run - my son threw up in the kindergarten :( === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === gletelli__ is now known as gletelli [12:06] I'm merging kiosktool... could someone provide me with a bit of inspiration as to why we have automake1.9 in the build-dep when Debian never has? [12:07] please :) [12:07] ryanakca: probably because debian has a buildprep patch, which we don't keep? [12:07] or at least, don't usually keep [12:08] we tend to rerun autohell for all the builds, rather than do it as part of updating it, and having a massive patch [12:31] ryanakca: kiosktool should be removed really [12:31] it's only useful for KDE 3 really, and a finished KDE 4 port is not in sight === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [13:01] hmm - any ideas? [13:28] larsivi: First, if it worked for you in Hardy, you are extraordinarily lucky. The Xinerama based dual screen solution we have in Hardy works for almost no one with a modern Xorg. [13:28] ScottK: no, not dual screen - I was never able to get that to work (except back before the "new" range of intel drivers) [13:29] Ah. I see. [13:29] ScottK: it is just duplicate screens, but with the larger external as the default [13:29] Right, even that is problematic. [13:29] I set some bios setting at one point to make sure it is enabled at start up [13:30] It's a known limitation of xrandr that it only supports rectangular surfaces. What this means is that both screens have to be at the same resolution. [13:30] for dual screen, yes? [13:30] I don't think dual/duplicate matters. [13:31] I think it's both. [13:31] no? it works just fine for me, but I have to open system settings, and open the screen option for it to click into place [13:31] the monitor on the laptop shows the upper left corner of the full desktop [13:32] OK. [13:32] I'm not sure then where the bug would be. [13:32] it also worked fine in gutsy before hardy, which I installed as a late alpha on the laptop back when the hardware was brander than brand new :) [13:33] and whatever was before gutsy on my old laptop :P [13:34] anyway, so this is almost the last annoyance left after the intrepid upgrade [13:34] In Feisty/Gutsy it all worked pretty well with Xinerama and Xorg, but then Xorg started to change and KDE didn't keep up. [13:34] So Hardy has a lot of known problems in this area and the tools for Intrepid are known to be incomplete. [13:35] well, I didn't use xinerama back then either, and kde not keeping up wasn't a problem, because the resolution was correct when X started [13:36] no, actually, there were some minor issues with feisty if I switched from no external to external, then kicker didn't move as it should (but could be moved manually), but otherwise it worked just fine :) [13:36] what was interesting was trying to get dual screen working before xrandr 1.2 - then it actually depended on the make of the monitor :P [13:37] NCommander: kmix.post* are not supposed to be part of debian/ [13:38] NCommander: Updated to reflect documentation removal (possibly bug ...) <= either it is a bug or it is not, noting that it might be one doesn't make it any more or less one [14:34] ho ho ho, merry nixmas! [14:35] oh wait, wrong month [14:37] is 4.2 beta getting into intrepid somehow? I have quite a few people asking for it [14:40] nixternal: once it gets into Jaunty [14:40] nixternal: My recollection is that the plan was for intrepid-backports after release and the Kubuntu experimental PPA before. [14:40] JontheEchidna: ^^ Is that right? [14:40] nice [14:41] * nixternal wants to hack on Kubuntu today, but I have to finish other work first [14:41] Correct, 4.2.0 goes in intrepid-backports, beta/prelease in general in kubuntu-experimental [14:41] you would think someone would have created an application that will profile your system's apps and then have a way to check them against a) the main distro and b) upstream [14:42] nixternal: would love to work on kubuntu stuyff today but will be driving to in laws today [14:42] they are up north? [14:43] How far north :D [14:44] nowhere near the border :) [14:45] I thought one time he said traverse city, but I can't remember who the heck that was [14:45] nixternal: in laws in detroit [14:45] livonia [14:45] but staying with my brother and sister in law in yspilanti [14:45] Detroit *is* near the border :p [14:46] jjesse: ahh, that's right..I remembered sort of from last year :) [14:46] jjesse: you should meet up with the michigan loco guys...they are all right in that area [14:46] greg-g is one dude you seriously have to meet and hang out with... that jcastro dude, foo him :p [14:47] that reminds me.. I have to e-mail this jcastro dude [14:47] yeah i should [14:47] but my wife and her family plans all kinds of things to do [14:47] * txwikinger almost went to the Detroit intrepid release party [14:50] family football day on thursday morning then turkey time, then friday more things to do [14:50] who are the Lions loosing against on Thursday? [14:51] losing [14:52] All this moving makes me lose focus on the important stuff :) [14:54] titans [14:54] and it is not blacked out [14:54] they sold out just before the deadline [14:56] I will pick Detroit to win against the Titans... 37 - 13 [14:57] what sport is that anyway, handball? :P [14:57] hahaha [14:57] futbol americana [14:57] ah, chicken football [14:57] rugby with pads [14:57] *rugby, not football [14:57] americans talk a big game, but they are really wimps...they have to wear pads [14:58] yeah, even the huge players [14:58] I actually have a friend here who's coaching the local team [14:58] they're fairly good in norway :P [14:59] i remember playing football when I was a kid w/o pads...everyone broke something [14:59] mostly collar bones [14:59] I think a broken collar bone is without a doubt the most painful bone break one could go through [15:00] ah debian packager I know of had to do major surgery on his shoulder after playing real rugby on some higher french level [15:01] well. rugby is a contact sport... football is a collision sport [15:04] How will the Lions get 37 points? No running game and a QB that throws all kinds of INTs [15:04] football is clearly not a collision sport unless you're very bad it - american football is a different matter though [15:05] I talk about american football the other one is called soccer around here :p [15:06] txwikinger: yeah, I know you are crazy over there :) [15:07] txwikinger: don't you think it's strange to call it "football" when one hardy ever uses one's foot? ;) [15:08] stdin: Well.. you don't know the reason? [15:09] nope [15:09] The posh people play with the foot.. the not so posh take the dirty ball in the hand [15:10] eh, so the kicker is posh? and the rest are not? [15:10] well.. the kickers are always outsiders... the can't even properly tackle [15:11] heh, I even hear one of the best superbowl kickers ever was norwegian :P [15:11] Danish I believe... Mortensen, right? [15:11] no, not him [15:12] He is the Kicker with the most career points [15:12] it is some years ago, but his record, whatever it was, lasted for a long time [15:12] The most fun one was a kicker who came from Australian Rules Football [15:13] He was one of the rare ones who could tackle [15:13] txwikinger: Jan Stenerud [15:13] larsivi: That must have been long time ago [15:13] I said so :) [15:13] 60s? [15:14] 60s-80s [15:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Stenerud [15:18] Ah .. with the Chiefs [16:48] Nightrose: btw, is sound working yet? [17:13] apachelogger: nope :( [17:14] no sense this does make [17:17] indeed [17:19] ha! [17:19] hu! [17:19] he [17:19] muhahahahahahahahaha [17:20] Nightrose: do you belive in batman? [17:21] definitely [17:24] Nightrose: perfect [17:24] * apachelogger calls bruce and tells him to fix that package [17:24] \o/ [17:26] Nightrose: your .dev channel got a lot more weird [17:26] apachelogger: how so? [17:26] well, check it out [17:26] * Nightrose wasn't around since last evening [17:26] k [17:27] argh... [17:27] yea [17:27] * Nightrose gets some food [17:27] is it fooding time again? [17:27] jep [17:27] ;-) [17:27] cool [17:31] mmm food [17:34] hmmm nixternal: got a minute? or are you busy? [17:34] nixternal: btw, are you back in development yet? [17:35] Nightrose: yes [17:35] apachelogger: yes [17:35] world: yes [17:35] !yes [17:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about yes [17:36] nixternal: haha ok - then let's talk in kde-docs [17:36] * nixternal goes there === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [17:44] * nixternal creates halitosis, the sys iso hal plugin [17:44] haha [17:52] Oo [18:46] hey [18:46] so are you going to release packages of kde 4.2 beta1 for intrepid? [18:59] anyone knows there are going to be packages of kde 4.2 beta1 for intrepid? [19:04] Xand3r: do you know if there are going to be packages of kde 4.2 beta1 for intrepid? [19:06] mib_gnq6ky: there are going to be packages but due to the team being short on packagers currently it will take some time [19:06] and no need to ask 3 times ;-) [19:07] too late :) [19:07] yay! [19:07] meh [19:07] hi Nightrose [19:07] hi Xand3r [19:07] how do you do? [19:07] i love those people... [19:08] pretty good - only downside is hat my openid provider is so slow that i can't log in anywhere [19:08] which is a pita [19:08] you should use a delegate on your own server [19:09] jep - doesn't help me though with the services that have that login already ;-) [19:09] services generally offer to modify your openid [19:09] if not, shame on them :) [19:10] doesn't look like i can do that [19:12] if you tell them you forgot your password [19:16] !info indy jaunty [19:16] Package indy does not exist in jaunty [19:16] !info indi jaunty [19:16] indi (source: indi): INDI, instrument neutral distributed interface. In component main, is optional. Version 5:0.5-0ubuntu6 (jaunty), package size 625 kB, installed size 1600 kB [20:03] heya [20:04] anyone looking for 4.2b1 deb testers? [20:04] :) [20:07] Riddell: ping? [20:13] danimo: apachelogger and JontheEchidna probably at one point [20:13] though i doubt the packages are ready yet [20:13] not ready! don't look! :p [20:13] hihi [20:13] things are going a bit slow probably due to Thanksgiving [20:14] JontheEchidna: any estimation we can give people who ask? [20:14] that's the thing... [20:14] hmm [20:15] some modules might not be updated, but hopefully we can upload most of the stuff by tomorrow [20:15] could happen today but I wouldn't make plans around that happening [20:48] apachelogger: ok, so how do I ask to get it removed? [20:49] apachelogger: file a bug on LP and then subscribe the mirror admins or ? [20:56] http://mjg59.livejournal.com/101706.html :( [21:08] danimo: still gotta take quite some time, we are doing doubled reviewing for this release, so things take a lot longer [21:09] !info kiosktool jaunty [21:09] kiosktool (source: kiosktool): tool to configure the KDE kiosk framework. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-2ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 256 kB, installed size 1732 kB [21:09] ryanakca: file a bug report (content is somewhere described in a wiki page) and a get a MOTU to ack it [21:10] the MOTU will then subscribe the archive admins === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [22:49] seele: What would be a good max-width for the wiki theme? [22:59] probably ~1000 pixels i think? maybe 1050 max? [22:59] otherwise the text is too hard to read [23:06] Who was it that was working on the system settings fglrx bug? [23:44] hey, would somebody teach me a little about cmake so that I can debug something? [23:44] tellico fails to build in jaunty as it uses -lkhtml, but that complains about a bunch of missing symbols, all the KJS ones [23:44] What do you want to know? [23:45] tellico doesn't use any KJS ones, so it's not missing a direct link [23:45] but something should be telling it to -lkjs when doing -lkhtml shouldn't it? [23:46] Well I guess then you need to know what's trying to hit up lkjs. [23:47] libkhtml is [23:47] bug 298269 [23:47] Launchpad bug 298269 in tellico "Please merge tellico 1.3.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298269 [23:49] * Hobbsee mutters abotu tellico [23:49] * Hobbsee put that change in svn,but no one ever uploaded it [23:51] You're pulling in khtml... that's what's complaining. [23:51] Hobbsee! [23:51] Howdy. [23:51] hey manchicken! [23:51] * Hobbsee thought you'd left! [23:52] I did for a while. [23:52] Kids take a little while to get used to. [23:53] And then of course I've all but gone completely mac these days. [23:53] Tonio_ told me that I should come around here again and say hi. [23:53] heh [23:53] still using gnome, then? [23:54] I've been ramping up on my French lately since my wife and I want our kid to be bilingual, so I've been fooling myself into thinking that I could maybe help with some translations or something. Dunno. [23:54] Naw, I haven't run Ubuntu for almost 3 months.