[04:51] <birnisson> hi, sorry to ask but are there kde 4.2 packages for intrepid?
[05:13] <ScottK> birnisson: They are planned, but not until release.  We'll have beta packages for Jaunty.  (This is all IIRC).
[05:13] <stdin> !neon
[05:13] <stdin> there is ^ that if you really want the latest
[05:15] <birnisson> nice thanks
[11:04] <larsivi> hola
[11:04] <larsivi> I have intrepid installed on my laptop, but normally use a larger external lcd attached to it - with hardy, this was autodiscovered, and kdm/kde was started in the resolution of this external screen
[11:05] <larsivi> this doesn't happen anymore, but instead it auto-adjusts as I open the screen component in system settings ... what can I do, or where should I report the bug?
[11:07] <larsivi> gotta run - my son threw up in the kindergarten :(
[12:06] <ryanakca> I'm merging kiosktool... could someone provide me with a bit of inspiration as to why we have automake1.9 in the build-dep when Debian never has?
[12:07] <ryanakca> please :)
[12:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: probably because debian has a buildprep patch, which we don't keep?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> or at least, don't usually keep
[12:08] <Hobbsee> we tend to rerun autohell for all the builds, rather than do it as part of updating it, and having a massive patch
[12:31] <apachelogger> ryanakca: kiosktool should be removed really
[12:31] <apachelogger> it's only useful for KDE 3 really, and a finished KDE 4 port is not in sight
[13:01] <larsivi> hmm - any ideas?
[13:28] <ScottK> larsivi: First, if it worked for you in Hardy, you are extraordinarily lucky.  The Xinerama based dual screen solution we have in Hardy works for almost no one with a modern Xorg.
[13:28] <larsivi> ScottK: no, not dual screen - I was never able to get that to work (except back before the "new" range of intel drivers)
[13:29] <ScottK> Ah.  I see.
[13:29] <larsivi> ScottK: it is just duplicate screens, but with the larger external as the default
[13:29] <ScottK> Right, even that is problematic.
[13:29] <larsivi> I set some bios setting at one point to make sure it is enabled at start up
[13:30] <ScottK> It's a known limitation of xrandr that it only supports rectangular surfaces.  What this means is that both screens have to be at the same resolution.
[13:30] <larsivi> for dual screen, yes?
[13:30] <ScottK> I don't think dual/duplicate matters.
[13:31] <ScottK> I think it's both.
[13:31] <larsivi> no? it works just fine for me, but I have to open system settings, and open the screen option for it to click into place
[13:31] <larsivi> the monitor on the laptop shows the upper left corner of the full desktop
[13:32] <ScottK> OK.
[13:32] <ScottK> I'm not sure then where the bug would be.
[13:32] <larsivi> it also worked fine in gutsy before hardy, which I installed as a late alpha on the laptop back when the hardware was brander than brand new :)
[13:33] <larsivi> and whatever was before gutsy on my old laptop :P
[13:34] <larsivi> anyway, so this is almost the last annoyance left after the intrepid upgrade
[13:34] <ScottK> In Feisty/Gutsy it all worked pretty well with Xinerama and Xorg, but then Xorg started to change and KDE didn't keep up.
[13:34] <ScottK> So Hardy has a lot of known problems in this area and the tools for Intrepid are known to be incomplete.
[13:35] <larsivi> well, I didn't use xinerama back then either, and kde not keeping up wasn't a problem, because the resolution was correct when X started
[13:36] <larsivi> no, actually, there were some minor issues with feisty if I switched from no external to external, then kicker didn't move as it should (but could be moved manually), but otherwise it worked just fine :)
[13:36] <larsivi> what was interesting was trying to get dual screen working before xrandr 1.2 - then it actually depended on the make of the monitor :P
[13:37] <apachelogger> NCommander: kmix.post* are not supposed to be part of debian/
[13:38] <apachelogger> NCommander: Updated to reflect documentation removal (possibly bug ...) <= either it is a bug or it is not, noting that it might be one doesn't make it any more or less one
[14:34] <nixternal> ho ho ho, merry nixmas!
[14:35] <nixternal> oh wait, wrong month
[14:37] <nixternal> is 4.2 beta getting into intrepid somehow? I have quite a few people asking for it
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: once it gets into Jaunty
[14:40] <ScottK> nixternal: My recollection is that the plan was for intrepid-backports after release and the Kubuntu experimental PPA before.
[14:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^ Is that right?
[14:40] <nixternal> nice
[14:41]  * nixternal wants to hack on Kubuntu today, but I have to finish other work first
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> Correct, 4.2.0 goes in intrepid-backports, beta/prelease in general in kubuntu-experimental
[14:41] <nixternal> you would think someone would have created an application that will profile your system's apps and then have a way to check them against a) the main distro and b) upstream
[14:42] <jjesse> nixternal: would love to work on kubuntu stuyff today but will be driving to in laws today
[14:42] <nixternal> they are up north?
[14:43] <txwikinger> How far north :D
[14:44] <nixternal> nowhere near the border :)
[14:45] <nixternal> I thought one time he said traverse city, but I can't remember who the heck that was
[14:45] <jjesse> nixternal:  in laws in detroit
[14:45] <jjesse> livonia
[14:45] <jjesse> but staying with my brother and sister in law in yspilanti
[14:45] <txwikinger> Detroit *is* near the border :p
[14:46] <nixternal> jjesse: ahh, that's right..I remembered sort of from last year :)
[14:46] <nixternal> jjesse: you should meet up with the michigan loco guys...they are all right in that area
[14:46] <nixternal> greg-g is one dude you seriously have to meet and hang out with... that jcastro dude, foo him :p
[14:47] <txwikinger> that reminds me.. I have to e-mail this jcastro dude
[14:47] <jjesse> yeah i should
[14:47] <jjesse> but my wife and her family plans all kinds of things to do
[14:47]  * txwikinger almost went to the Detroit intrepid release party
[14:50] <jjesse> family football day on thursday morning then turkey time, then friday more things to do
[14:50] <txwikinger> who are the Lions loosing against on Thursday?
[14:51] <txwikinger> losing
[14:52] <txwikinger> All this moving makes me lose focus on the important stuff :)
[14:54] <jjesse> titans
[14:54] <jjesse> and it is not blacked out
[14:54] <jjesse> they sold out just before the deadline
[14:56] <nixternal> I will pick Detroit to win against the Titans... 37 - 13
[14:57] <larsivi> what sport is that anyway, handball? :P
[14:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[14:57] <nixternal> futbol americana
[14:57] <larsivi> ah, chicken football
[14:57] <nixternal> rugby with pads
[14:57] <larsivi> *rugby, not football
[14:57] <nixternal> americans talk a big game, but they are really wimps...they have to wear pads
[14:58] <larsivi> yeah, even the huge players
[14:58] <larsivi> I actually have a friend here who's coaching the local team
[14:58] <larsivi> they're fairly good in norway :P
[14:59] <nixternal> i remember playing football when I was a kid w/o pads...everyone broke something
[14:59] <nixternal> mostly collar bones
[14:59] <nixternal> I think a broken collar bone is without a doubt the most painful bone break one could go through
[15:00] <larsivi> ah debian packager I know of had to do major surgery on his shoulder after playing real rugby on some higher french level
[15:01] <txwikinger> well. rugby is a contact sport... football is a collision sport
[15:04] <txwikinger> How will the Lions get 37 points?  No running game and a QB that throws all kinds of INTs
[15:04] <larsivi> football is clearly not a collision sport unless you're very bad it - american football is a different matter though
[15:05] <txwikinger> I talk about american football the other one is called soccer around here :p
[15:06] <larsivi> txwikinger: yeah, I know you are crazy over there :)
[15:07] <stdin> txwikinger: don't you think it's strange to call it "football" when one hardy ever uses one's foot? ;)
[15:08] <txwikinger> stdin: Well.. you don't know the reason?
[15:09] <stdin> nope
[15:09] <txwikinger> The posh people play with the foot.. the not so posh take the dirty ball in the hand
[15:10] <larsivi> eh, so the kicker is posh? and the rest are not?
[15:10] <txwikinger> well.. the kickers are always outsiders... the can't even properly tackle
[15:11] <larsivi> heh, I even hear one of the best superbowl kickers ever was norwegian :P
[15:11] <txwikinger> Danish I believe... Mortensen, right?
[15:11] <larsivi> no, not him
[15:12] <txwikinger> He is the Kicker with the most career points
[15:12] <larsivi> it is some years ago, but his record, whatever it was, lasted for a long time
[15:12] <txwikinger> The most fun one was a kicker who came from Australian Rules Football
[15:13] <txwikinger> He was one of the rare ones who could tackle
[15:13] <larsivi> txwikinger: Jan Stenerud
[15:13] <txwikinger> larsivi: That must have been long time ago
[15:13] <larsivi> I said so :)
[15:13] <txwikinger> 60s?
[15:14] <larsivi> 60s-80s
[15:14] <larsivi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Stenerud
[15:18] <txwikinger> Ah .. with the Chiefs
[16:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, is sound working yet?
[17:13] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope :(
[17:14] <apachelogger> no sense this does make
[17:17] <Nightrose> indeed
[17:19] <apachelogger> ha!
[17:19] <apachelogger> hu!
[17:19] <apachelogger> he
[17:19] <apachelogger> muhahahahahahahahaha
[17:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you belive in batman?
[17:21] <Nightrose> definitely
[17:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: perfect
[17:24]  * apachelogger calls bruce and tells him to fix that package
[17:24] <Nightrose> \o/
[17:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: your .dev channel got a lot more weird
[17:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: how so?
[17:26] <apachelogger> well, check it out
[17:26]  * Nightrose wasn't around since last evening
[17:26] <Nightrose> k
[17:27] <Nightrose> argh...
[17:27] <Nightrose> yea
[17:27]  * Nightrose gets some food
[17:27] <apachelogger> is it fooding time again?
[17:27] <Nightrose> jep
[17:27] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:27] <apachelogger> cool
[17:31] <nixternal> mmm food
[17:34] <Nightrose> hmmm nixternal: got a minute? or are you busy?
[17:34] <apachelogger> nixternal: btw, are you back in development yet?
[17:35] <nixternal> Nightrose: yes
[17:35] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes
[17:35] <nixternal> world: yes
[17:35] <nixternal> !yes
[17:36] <Nightrose> nixternal: haha ok - then let's talk in kde-docs
[17:36]  * nixternal goes there
[17:44]  * nixternal creates halitosis, the sys iso hal plugin
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> haha
[17:52] <Nightrose> Oo
[18:46] <mib_gnq6ky> hey
[18:46] <mib_gnq6ky> so are you going to release packages of kde 4.2 beta1 for intrepid?
[18:59] <mib_gnq6ky> anyone knows there are going to be packages of kde 4.2 beta1 for intrepid?
[19:04] <mib_gnq6ky> Xand3r: do you know if there are going to be packages of kde 4.2 beta1 for intrepid?
[19:06] <Nightrose> mib_gnq6ky: there are going to be packages but due to the team being short on packagers currently it will take some time
[19:06] <Nightrose> and no need to ask 3 times ;-)
[19:07] <Arby> too late :)
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> yay!
[19:07] <Nightrose> meh
[19:07] <Xand3r> hi Nightrose
[19:07] <Nightrose> hi Xand3r
[19:07] <Xand3r> how do you do?
[19:07] <Nightrose> i love those people...
[19:08] <Nightrose> pretty good - only downside is hat my openid provider is so slow that i can't log in anywhere
[19:08] <Nightrose> which is a pita
[19:08] <bobesponja> you should use a delegate on your own server
[19:09] <Nightrose> jep - doesn't help me though with the services that have that login already ;-)
[19:09] <bobesponja> services generally offer to modify your openid
[19:09] <bobesponja> if not, shame on them :)
[19:10] <Nightrose> doesn't look like i can do that
[19:12] <bobesponja> if you tell them you forgot your password
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> !info indy jaunty
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> !info indi jaunty
[20:03] <danimo> heya
[20:04] <danimo> anyone looking for 4.2b1 deb testers?
[20:04] <danimo> :)
[20:07] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[20:13] <Nightrose> danimo: apachelogger and JontheEchidna probably at one point
[20:13] <Nightrose> though i doubt the packages are ready yet
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> not ready! don't look! :p
[20:13] <Nightrose> hihi
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> things are going a bit slow probably due to Thanksgiving
[20:14] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: any estimation we can give people who ask?
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> that's the thing...
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> some modules might not be updated, but hopefully we can upload most of the stuff by tomorrow
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> could happen today but I wouldn't make plans around that happening
[20:48] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ok, so how do I ask to get it removed?
[20:49] <ryanakca> apachelogger: file a bug on LP and then subscribe the mirror admins or <insert LP team> ?
[20:56] <glade88> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/101706.html :(
[21:08] <apachelogger> danimo: still gotta take quite some time, we are doing doubled reviewing for this release, so things take a lot longer
[21:09] <apachelogger> !info kiosktool jaunty
[21:09] <apachelogger> ryanakca: file a bug report (content is somewhere described in a wiki page) and a get a MOTU to ack it
[21:10] <apachelogger> the MOTU will then subscribe the archive admins
[22:49] <ryanakca> seele: What would be a good max-width for the wiki theme?
[22:59] <seele> probably ~1000 pixels i think?  maybe 1050 max?
[22:59] <seele> otherwise the text is too hard to read
[23:06] <jussi01> Who was it that was working on the system settings fglrx bug?
[23:44] <james_w> hey, would somebody teach me a little about cmake so that I can debug something?
[23:44] <james_w> tellico fails to build in jaunty as it uses -lkhtml, but that complains about a bunch of missing symbols, all the KJS ones
[23:44] <manchicken> What do you want to know?
[23:45] <james_w> tellico doesn't use any KJS ones, so it's not missing a direct link
[23:45] <james_w> but something should be telling it to -lkjs when doing -lkhtml shouldn't it?
[23:46] <manchicken> Well I guess then you need to know what's trying to hit up lkjs.
[23:47] <james_w> libkhtml is
[23:47] <james_w> bug 298269
[23:49]  * Hobbsee mutters abotu tellico
[23:49]  * Hobbsee put that change in svn,but no one ever uploaded it
[23:51] <manchicken> You're pulling in khtml... that's what's complaining.
[23:51] <manchicken> Hobbsee!
[23:51] <manchicken> Howdy.
[23:51] <Hobbsee> hey manchicken!
[23:51]  * Hobbsee thought you'd left!
[23:52] <manchicken> I did for a while.
[23:52] <manchicken> Kids take a little while to get used to.
[23:53] <manchicken> And then of course I've all but gone completely mac these days.
[23:53] <manchicken> Tonio_ told me that I should come around here again and say hi.
[23:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[23:53] <Hobbsee> still using gnome, then?
[23:54] <manchicken> I've been ramping up on my French lately since my wife and I want our kid to be bilingual, so I've been fooling myself into thinking that I could maybe help with some translations or something.  Dunno.
[23:54] <manchicken> Naw, I haven't run Ubuntu for almost 3 months.