| rsc- | hey guys | 11:34 |
|---|---|---|
| rsc- | http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/ucarbon2.jpg | 11:34 |
| rsc- | what do you think? :/ | 11:34 |
| robsta | hi rsc- | 11:37 |
| rsc- | hola. | 11:37 |
| kwwii | hi rsc- | 12:11 |
| rsc- | hey kwwii | 12:11 |
| kwwii | nifty mockup | 12:11 |
| rsc- | part of me thinks its cool, another part of me thinks it's ugly. | 12:35 |
| rsc- | lol | 12:35 |
| rsc- | ugh, i like it, but it's not kickass enough. | 12:44 |
| rsc- | _MMA_, http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/ucarbon2.jpg - what do you think? :) | 12:45 |
| _MMA_ | Oh Wow. Nice. Is that real? | 13:01 |
| _MMA_ | bbiab | 13:10 |
| robsta | rsc-: the scroll bars look very original | 13:20 |
| wedderburn | the corners need more rounding, you can see the pixels | 13:27 |
| kwwii | robsta: btw, I mentioned that I had some unfinished stuff laying around that I wanted to work on, here it is: http://sinecera.de/mock.png | 13:27 |
| kwwii | as you can see I didn't get very far | 13:27 |
| robsta | kwwii: reminds me a bit of http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/CleanLime?content=41233 | 13:28 |
| wedderburn | but doesn't have that annoyingly fake gloss | 13:29 |
| robsta | kwwii: anyway, i'm now frantically trying to get thorwil's single-canvas mockup working | 13:30 |
| kwwii | cool | 13:32 |
| robsta | (needs some more librsvg patching unfortunately) | 13:33 |
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| thorwil | hi! | 16:16 |
| robsta | hi thorwil | 16:25 |
| robsta | thorwil: you need to name your theme :) | 16:25 |
| thorwil | robsta: sworp | 16:25 |
| _MMA_ | Or "Plop" :P | 16:25 |
| robsta | thorwil: have to hack librsvg a bit, almost there | 16:28 |
| thorwil | robsta: don't listen to _MMA_, he's being silly ;) | 16:29 |
| robsta | thorwil: but we need to group each button | 16:29 |
| robsta | so they can be referred to using a single ID | 16:29 |
| thorwil | robsta: using the plate #id to get the area doesn't work? | 16:30 |
| robsta | thorwil: no, because svg doesn't have such a concept of implicit containers (afaik) | 16:31 |
| thorwil | robsta: because, if you use groups, you have to set the right ID again and again and again when editing | 16:31 |
| robsta | yeah, it sucks | 16:31 |
| robsta | what are the single-canvas-icon people doing? | 16:32 |
| thorwil | robsta: they use the plate IDs for script-driven bitmap export | 16:33 |
| thorwil | robsta: _MMA_ knows the details | 16:33 |
| _MMA_ | There is a "plate layer" under the desired object. | 16:34 |
| _MMA_ | Each square under that later acts as a bounding box. | 16:34 |
| _MMA_ | s/under/on | 16:34 |
| _MMA_ | That square has properties. ie: 48x48 that represents that icon size. | 16:35 |
| robsta | guess that would work with librsvg too | 16:35 |
| robsta | get the position of the "plate", then draw the whole file with appropriate clipping | 16:35 |
| _MMA_ | So the script we have looks for that square, and just grabs everything above. | 16:35 |
| robsta | will be prone to overhead with rsvg, because the whole canvas has to be rendered each time | 16:36 |
| _MMA_ | Check it out. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/breathe_icon_templat-20080905042226-bvdzo9fb8th94dyh-3/Breathe_Icon_Template.svg?file_id=template-20080905042226-bvdzo9fb8th94dyh-2 | 16:37 |
| robsta | i see | 16:38 |
| _MMA_ | And the script. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/coryisatm%40ubuntu.com-20080927155504-1wq75t2rjtbim7j4/render_bitmap.py-20080904180602-4kcena7h7l22ot23-2/render_bitmap.py | 16:38 |
| thorwil | robsta: the svg is not rendered once to then use the bitmaps? | 16:38 |
| robsta | no, the idea is to draw the theme from the canvas | 16:39 |
| robsta | (the original idea, fwiw) | 16:39 |
| _MMA_ | So that script makes 1 large scaliable SVG and then renders the rest to bitmap. | 16:39 |
| robsta | _MMA_: the icon script? | 16:40 |
| thorwil | the file i prepared was meant to be used in the same way | 16:40 |
| _MMA_ | robsta: YEs | 16:41 |
| robsta | thorwil: hmm | 16:41 |
| _MMA_ | If you pull the code and run the script, it will make the icon set for you in the "Breathe" folder. | 16:41 |
| robsta | _MMA_: thanks, think i understand the icon approach a bit better now | 16:42 |
| _MMA_ | np | 16:43 |
| robsta | thing is i has something different in mind | 16:43 |
| thorwil | robsta: i have to say that having to manually set the IDs on groups would cost you designers ;) as alternative, i wonder if you could search for a group based on its coordinates, to completely ignore the naming | 16:43 |
| robsta | thorwil: think i'll go with "plates" way, but dynamically from the canvas | 16:44 |
| robsta | best of both worlds | 16:44 |
| robsta | no script needed | 16:44 |
| thorwil | robsta: so the template i made can remain as is? | 16:45 |
| _MMA_ | robsta: You must hide the plates before you render or they will be in the image. | 16:45 |
| robsta | oh | 16:45 |
| robsta | can the plates be invisible? | 16:45 |
| thorwil | yes | 16:46 |
| _MMA_ | Yes | 16:46 |
| robsta | that'd be good | 16:46 |
| thorwil | robsta: by either hiding their layer or setting their alpha to zero | 16:46 |
| robsta | thorwil: the template can stay pretty much | 16:47 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Link to your template? | 16:48 |
| thorwil | robsta: good. because after finishing a complete set, i want to make a call for button design on the ubuntu-art list, offering that template as base ;) | 16:49 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: it's not online, mailing you | 16:49 |
| _MMA_ | cool | 16:49 |
| robsta | thorwil: it's awesome you got this started, been frantically fixing bugs all day | 16:49 |
| thorwil | robsta: heh, it's nothing. yet ;) | 16:50 |
| robsta | it turned up lots of problems | 16:50 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Looking through the template, it looks perfect. | 16:56 |
| thorwil | good, ty :) | 16:56 |
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| thorwil | i wonder why i made plates for insensitive combined with anything but unfocused, though :) | 17:05 |
| dilomo | hi guys | 18:09 |
| _MMA_ | yo | 18:19 |
| dilomo | what's up | 18:31 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: I saw what a wonderful | 18:31 |
| dilomo | job is Sebastion doing | 18:31 |
| dilomo | is his work going to be included | 18:31 |
| dilomo | in Human | 18:32 |
| _MMA_ | See my reply on the list. | 18:32 |
| dilomo | but why? | 18:33 |
| _MMA_ | It's not part of Human. | 18:33 |
| dilomo | ooops my mistake | 18:33 |
| dilomo | I meant Breath | 18:33 |
| dilomo | the new Human | 18:33 |
| _MMA_ | Yes. It will be part of Brethe. | 18:34 |
| _MMA_ | Ill be getting them in soon. | 18:34 |
| _MMA_ | *In* BZR that is. | 18:34 |
| dilomo | do I have permissons to download | 18:35 |
| dilomo | it from bzr | 18:35 |
| _MMA_ | Anyone can download. Only upload is restricted. | 18:36 |
| dilomo | cool | 18:37 |
| dilomo | I'll check it out | 18:37 |
| thorwil | hi dilomo. how's things? | 18:37 |
| dilomo | thorwil: good | 18:38 |
| dilomo | how is the (art)work going in here? | 18:39 |
| thorwil | dilomo: we are feeling lonely | 18:39 |
| dilomo | why if I may ask? | 18:40 |
| thorwil | dilomo: lack of contributors. but you're one of the last persons i should complain to :) | 18:41 |
| dilomo | I think that there will be more contributors | 18:41 |
| dilomo | if we were showing them off more | 18:41 |
| dilomo | of what's going to be new in the next Ubuntu | 18:42 |
| thorwil | dilomo: do you have a screenshot of the most recent New Wave at hand? | 18:43 |
| dilomo | no | 18:44 |
| dilomo | basically I'm struggling with the button focus | 18:44 |
| dilomo | right now | 18:44 |
| dilomo | it is very hard to make it right in the pixmap | 18:45 |
| dilomo | engine | 18:45 |
| dilomo | wait a sec to make a screenshot | 18:46 |
| dilomo | and upload it | 18:46 |
| dilomo | http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25388_Test_122_401lo.jpg | 18:50 |
| thorwil | dilomo: well, on that one, the titlebar-behind-content impression is gone | 18:53 |
| dilomo | maybe because the shadow is smaller | 18:54 |
| dilomo | but I think of some kind of texture like | 18:54 |
| dilomo | carbon on 20% opacity | 18:54 |
| dilomo | or smth like that | 18:54 |
| thorwil | dilomo: i think you should make the shadow a tad stronger _and_ add an highlight on the bottom of the titlebar, that looks like it actually belongs to the content | 18:55 |
| dilomo | you mean a highligh on the bottom of the menubar? | 18:56 |
| thorwil | dilomo: oh, yes | 18:56 |
| dilomo | yes that will work | 18:57 |
| thorwil | dilomo: a texture will only help if you make it end in a different way on the upper window edge | 18:57 |
| thorwil | that is, making the texture look like it follows a rounded edge | 18:58 |
| dilomo | aham | 18:59 |
| dilomo | probably smth like this | 18:59 |
| dilomo | but if I make it lighter | 18:59 |
| dilomo | at the top the drop shadow effect will be gone | 18:59 |
| dilomo | I will experiment freely with that but what bothers me that I cannot change focus images for different states of the button e.g. Pressed, Normal ... | 19:03 |
| thorwil | dilomo: oh. is that a gtk+ issues or a theme engine specific issue? | 19:04 |
| dilomo | pixmap=trouble :) so i guess it is engine | 19:05 |
| dilomo | nice chat guys | 19:15 |
| dilomo | but I have to go | 19:15 |
| thorwil | cya | 19:15 |
| dilomo | bb :) | 19:15 |
| thorwil | kwwii: is it even possible to have a different depressed look for a button if it is a dialog's default button? | 19:46 |
| kwwii | thorwil: you mean different in comparison to another window types button? | 20:11 |
| thorwil | kwwii: no, other buttons, same window | 20:11 |
| kwwii | thorwil: no, I do not think you can do that | 20:12 |
| thorwil | kwwii: i tried to see what human does ... the action buttons of a dialog seem to have an orangish border when depressed. other buttons do not | 20:13 |
| thorwil | kwwii: so from http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08483/button_set347.png, what do i have to delete? | 20:13 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I think the theme engine is what does that, not the gtkrc | 20:15 |
| thorwil | kwwii: ok, lets hope so | 20:15 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I like the Defualt look but not the colors | 20:15 |
| thorwil | kwwii: it's actually good if people will find something they don't like about that set ;) | 20:17 |
| kwwii | :-) | 20:17 |
| kwwii | looking thorugh the gtkrc of human I know that there is no special definition to get that color for that glow | 20:18 |
| kwwii | there are only two definitions for buttons in it | 20:18 |
| thorwil | i have been told by an experienced gtk coder that the concept of Default doesn't even exist :) | 20:19 |
| thorwil | zum mäusemelken! | 20:21 |
| kwwii | lol, ich haette dir was sagen sollen | 20:23 |
| thorwil | kwwii: well, obviously there is *something* that can be themed differently there | 20:24 |
| thorwil | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes/GtkButton makes it sound like there is a fixed assumption that focus will be indicated with a line | 20:24 |
| kwwii | thorwil: dependinnding on the theme engine, yes I agree | 20:25 |
| kwwii | lol, well ...that is a bit too specific for my tastes | 20:25 |
| thorwil | i guess gtk+ was made with doing exactly what win 3.1 did in mind :> | 20:28 |
| kwwii | lol, I've had that feeling too | 20:29 |
| thorwil | kwwii: editing the wiki to insert a few notes, the image as shown and the svg template. to later on hit the list with my call. anything to add from your side? | 20:32 |
| kwwii | thorwil: nothing off the top of my head | 20:54 |
| thorwil | kwwii: "a" or "an" in front of "Ubuntu"? | 21:07 |
| thorwil | nm | 21:08 |
| thorwil | mail out, good night! :) | 21:10 |
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