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pckchemquiet tonight00:57
ElbrusQuestion of yesterday, didn't get an answer: where should comments/questions about wiki pages go? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates)01:11
bdmurrayElbrus: it depends on the question01:11
Elbrus1: I would assume that licensing issues are also a reason for SRU: if yes, that should be added01:12
nhandlerElbrus: I would suggest asking in #ubuntu-motu about SRU stuff01:12
Elbrus2: what is the recommended naming convention for SRU packages01:12
macoi dont think there's a naming convention01:13
ElbrusOk, than my first question stands in general, shouldn't wiki's have a e-mail/irc channel/web-page for questions and comments (like on the wikipedia for instance?)01:13
macojust update it and change the version number in the debian/changelog, and when you make the source package, it'll append the version from debian/changelog01:14
bdmurraymaco: you don't want the version number for the release being updated to be greater than the next release though01:14
Elbrusmaco: I have seen some packages with the release in the name, and you might want to diffentiate between releases...01:15
macobdmurray: oh i meant the -0ubuntuX changing the X part01:15
nhandlerI know for backports, you append !release# to the end (i.e. ~hardy1)01:15
macoElbrus: usually for libraries01:15
* nhandler can't remember the process for SRUs01:15
Elbrusaha, thats for backports...01:15
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dholbachgood morning06:28
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thekorngood morning07:44
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BUGabundo_workguud morning08:07
BUGabundo_workhello asac Hobbsee ikonia ogra wgrant08:09
Hobbseehey BUGabundo_work08:09
BUGabundo_workhi girl08:10
BUGabundo_workany one as a spare bed? /me is sleepyyyyyyyyy08:10
* Hobbsee is no one's bed, sorry..08:10
* Hobbsee points at some space in the corner, though08:10
BUGabundo_workdidn't meant like that Hobbsee08:10
Hobbseehaha, right :)08:11
* BUGabundo_work checks Hobbsee blog so look at the so mention corner08:13
* BUGabundo_work feels that looks outdated08:13
Hobbseeyes, rather...08:14
HobbseeI hate blogging.08:14
Hobbseeonly slightly more than hating writing on mailing lists, which is why I tend to avoid them too08:14
BUGabundo_workI don't like to blog either08:14
BUGabundo_workbut I love micro-blogging08:14
BUGabundo_workyou should give it a try08:14
BUGabundo_workidenti.ca is FOSS08:15
BUGabundo_workthere's jaiku, plurk... and so on08:15
BUGabundo_worklets not talk about the big white whale (twitter)08:15
BUGabundo_workthere's lots of us on identica08:16
BUGabundo_workI already mention to jorge that canonical should setup their own Laconica install08:17
wgrantBUGabundo_work: Evening.08:25
wgrantHobbsee: Don't blog!08:25
Hobbseewgrant: why?08:25
wgrantResist the temptation.08:26
BUGabundo_workhow is the trip going wgrant?08:26
wgrantBUGabundo_work: Which trip?08:28
wgrantAre you mixing me up with somebody else again, like in #+1 a couple of days ago?08:28
BUGabundo_workstill up for 1 hour08:29
BUGabundo_workI keep messing up nicks08:29
BUGabundo_workyou remember that fish in Nemo?08:29
BUGabundo_workthat's me... no more than 3 sec memory08:29
MAINERRORyou have to dump some files in your brain space :P08:30
BUGabundo_workI wish it was that easy MAINERROR08:32
BUGabundo_workwhat was that fish name? any one remembers?08:32
BUGabundo_workno google or IMDB, no cheatign08:32
* wgrant never saw the movie all the way through.08:34
* Hobbsee thought the fish's name was 'nemo'08:35
BUGabundo_workit was Hobbsee08:36
MAINERRORnah it wasn't nemo08:36
BUGabundo_workbut the other fish08:36
BUGabundo_workthe forgetful one08:36
MAINERRORI know the name BUGabundo08:36
BUGabundo_workno you don't08:37
BUGabundo_workother wise you would have said it08:37
BUGabundo_workand no cheatign08:37
MAINERRORnah the name was BUGabundo hehe08:37
* BUGabundo_work wonders why he keeps messing ing with ign08:37
BUGabundo_workHobbsee identica invite is on the mail08:49
* Hobbsee glances at mail08:49
BUGabundo_workanybody else interested in an identica account?08:50
danagetoday's security update: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-core_1%3a2.4.1-11ubuntu2.1_i386.deb: short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/openoffice/program/libspa680li.so')08:53
BUGabundo_workdanage: haven't hit that one yet08:55
danageit also tells me i have 8 broken packages08:55
BUGabundo_workjaunty or ibex?08:56
BUGabundo_workI'm on jaunty08:56
BUGabundo_workmaybe that's why I didn't notice it08:56
danageso off to launchpad, i guess?08:57
BUGabundo_workbut that OOo update came out two days ago08:57
BUGabundo_workit should already be there, if more people were affected08:58
james_wdanage: do you have a full hard disk?08:58
BUGabundo_workremember to use bug-buddy or apport to collect more data08:58
danagei doubt it08:58
BUGabundo_workdf -h /08:58
danage87 gig available08:58
james_wdanage: that error indicates something wrong on your system, rather than something wrong with the update08:58
danagewell it was a distro upgrade from hardy08:59
jibeldanage: is it something like bug 302333 or bug 302100 ?09:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 302333 in openoffice.org "Automatic update Openoffice 26nov08 failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30233309:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 302100 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-core 1:2.4.1-11ubuntu2.1 update fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30210009:00
danageexactly that09:01
jibelThe error is "lzma: Decoder error" . which mirror are you using ?09:05
jibelmvo: Hi. I wanted to request an SRU in Intrepid for bug 294134 . Could you tell me why postgresql was added to the removal blacklist in hardy and if there is an impact to remove it in Intrepid ?10:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 294134 in update-manager "upgrade 8.10 tool failes because it cannot calculate upgrade" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29413410:31
mvojibel: let me have a look10:35
mvojibel: I think it was added because some packages from postgres moved from main to universe, but I think this is not a very good reason10:57
jibelmvo: ok, I'll try to commit the change against the intreprid branch this evening. Thanks11:17
mvojibel: cool, thanks. ping when its ready, then I will sponsor the upload11:29
mvojibel: (or if you need help with the commit or anything else :)11:39
nhandlerWhat did we end up doing about the spam bug reports? I just found about half a dozen more of them.12:15
Hobbseenhandler: well, I don't think they've actually fixed the bug yet, so the guy can reopen his account12:16
nhandlerHobbsee: But what are we doing about the actual bugs? Just marking them as invalid?12:16
Hobbseenhandler: I presume that there will be a mass-tool to revert his actions.12:17
nhandlerHobbsee: I wouldn't be so sure about that. This is Launchpad we are talking about12:17
Hobbseenhandler: tha'ts true.  But even launchpad....12:17
Hobbseewell, there's still stuff like py-lp-bugs12:18
nhandlerDo you think I should leave the spam as private?12:19
Hobbseenhandler: I wonder about emailing lp-users and asking what the launchpad guys plan to do about it.12:20
Hobbseethey should surely have a plan, as it's not the first time a spammer has come in12:21
Hobbseeor a malicious person12:21
BUGabundo_workand they keep coming12:22
BUGabundo_worklast I heard/read the idea was to open an Answer with the link12:23
BUGabundo_workbut that's just more mail...12:23
BUGabundo_work uff12:23
HobbseeBUGabundo_work: well, it will keep coming, until launchpad manages to fix the reactivation bug.12:23
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BUGabundo_workfoo bddebian15:10
BUGabundo_workdid anyone else notice the use of ENTER in Firefox today??17:08
chrisccoulsonping kees - do you know if bug 302209 is actually a bug or a design decision (ie, that we all download security updates from the official ubuntu repository instead of local mirrors)?19:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 302209 in synaptic "the repository in /etc/apt/source.list is not coherent with the server choice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30220919:04
keeschrisccoulson: the order of repos in /etc/apt/source.list matters.  if a security update is found in local mirror, it should be fetched from there.19:05
keeschrisccoulson: however, the reason to leave security.ubuntu.com in the sources.list is so you know if there are very new updates that haven't mirrored to the other locations yet19:05
keeschrisccoulson: so, I think, based on your bug, that's a "feature"19:06
chrisccoulsonthanks. so, if a user enables security updates in software-properties, the URL that gets added to the sources.list should be a http://security.ubuntu.com one instead of the local mirror? Is that correct? If it is, then i'll close the bug and give the reporter some feedback19:07
keeschrisccoulson: I *think* so, but you should probably check with mvo first, since he wrote it.  :)19:08
mvochrisccoulson: ideally it should do both I guess19:13
mvochrisccoulson: what kees said, we want to be sure that people get seucurity updates even if there (local or other) mirror is out-of-date (not unheard off ;)19:13
chrisccoulsonthanks mvo. so, you think it probably is a bug then, in the sense that it should add both central and local mirror?19:14
mvochrisccoulson: i haven't touched that code in a while, if it does not add both, I guess the bug should be re-titled19:14
mvochrisccoulson: yeah19:14
chrisccoulsonthanks, i'll do that:)19:14
mvochrisccoulson: I guess it could be argued that it should not add security.u.c in some cases (e.g. when the user is behind a firefox that does not allow him to connect to the outside etc) - but I think that is special enough to just edit sources.list manually19:15
chrisccoulsonyeah, i agree19:15
chrisccoulsoni think the use case for that scenario wouldn't happen that often though19:16
hacktickhey, 302571 and 302606 are spam.20:56
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hackticksomeone should set them to 'private' isnt it?20:57
chrisccoulsonbug 30257121:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 302571 in ubuntu "t2embed.dll" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30257121:04
chrisccoulsonbug 30260621:04
ubottuBug 302606 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/302606 is private21:04
chrisccoulsonsomeone already dealt with them it seems hacktick21:05
chrisccoulsoni wonder why this user isn't banned? all they do is submit spam21:05
chrisccoulsonhe's submitted loads of private bugs in the last hour or so it seems21:06
chrisccoulsonaccording to lp answers, he's already been banned, but he's back with a different user name21:09
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hacktickchrisccoulson: I just hope he is one real person and not a bot...21:20
chrisccoulsoni just spoke with mthaddon in #launchpad. they're currently looking at ways around it but unfortunately lp has no spam management and the user keeps re-registering21:22
chrisccoulsoni don't know if its a real person or a bot. if it's a real person then they really should get a life21:23
hacktickhe uses msn and hotmail-accounts :)21:44
hacktickmaybe its bill gates :)21:44
rbanffyHi folks. Is this the appropriate channel to beg for attention?22:08
nhandlerrbanffy: It depends on the type of attention you want22:09
rbanffyI have an unbearably disfunctional desktop right now ;-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/30222722:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 302227 in ubuntu "Cursor movement, screenshot clipping and redraw problems on dual-headed, Intel 945GME desktop after 20081125 compiz/X update" [Undecided,New]22:09
rbanffynhandler: It is really bad22:09
rbanffynhandler: Any idea on what could it be or any info I could collect to help?22:21
rbanffynhandler: The machine works. It's just a pain to use22:22
nhandlerrbanffy: I'm not sure what the cause of the bug is right now. I'll take a closer look at it later.22:25
rbanffynhandler: Thanks22:27

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