[00:08] <Myrtti> http://www.jeffbridges.com/fish.html
[00:08] <Myrtti> poor fishie
[00:08] <Myrtti> ;___;
[00:24] <Myrtti> watch out for -offtopic
[00:24] <Myrtti> I didn't ban him after kicking
[01:29] <thegeek> how do i get back on offtopic
[01:30] <LjL> why can't you join it?
[01:30] <thegeek> banned
[01:30] <LjL> ah, i see, so are you asking how to evade a ban?
[01:30] <thegeek> so how
[01:30] <thegeek> and yes
[01:31] <LjL> well, we're not going to tell you, and also, we don't approve of ban evading.
[01:31] <LjL> please don't.
[01:31] <nickrud> if you ask ljl really nicely
[01:31] <thegeek> c'moom
[01:31] <thegeek> c'mon
[01:31] <LjL> thegeek: you've just made your ban longer by a week.
[01:32] <bazhang> thegeek, and dont talk about it in #ubuntu please
[01:32] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops thegeek
[01:37] <thegeek> and LjL how long is my ban anyway
[01:37] <LjL> thegeek: longer by another week
[01:37] <thegeek> witch was the start
[01:38] <LjL> thegeek: you know, you're asking entirely the wrong questions.
[01:38] <thegeek> witch are the right
[01:38] <thegeek> then
[01:39] <LjL> thegeek: well, take it as a riddle... you have at least two weeks to think about it and solve it
[01:39] <thegeek> im sorry for flodding the channel
[01:40] <thegeek> and typing junk
[01:40] <LjL> which wasn't what you did to begin with
[01:40] <thegeek> and im sorry i tried to beg
[01:40] <thegeek> you to lift the ban
[01:41] <LjL> you're getting better, but this ban isn't going to be lifted now, so come back here to say these things in a while.
[01:41] <thegeek> okay
[01:42] <thegeek> and by while how long
[01:42] <bazhang> 2 weeks
[01:42] <LjL> thegeek: another week longer than the last time you asked
[01:42] <LjL> bazhang: no, that's three
[01:42] <bazhang> +1
[01:46] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops thegeek So, three weeks it is. Deal!
[03:28]  * tritium bangs his head against the wall
[07:50] <jussi01> Flannel: thats an auto kick for me... 
[07:51] <Flannel> yeah, I should've.  I marked him (no pun intended) though.
[07:51] <jussi01> hehe
[07:52] <Flannel> I'm listening to a new bluegrass CD--in a good mood.  I suppose its a good time to be mildly annoying ;)
[07:53]  * jussi01 tickles Flannel
[08:06] <hischild> May i offer a suggestion for the ubuntu bot here?
[08:06] <Flannel> hischild: Go ahead
[08:08] <hischild> Well i've noticed more then once that people seem to forget the pipe character when they want to use ubottu (i just did again). I was wondering if there is a reason why you also need the pipe when you only would use 1 thing, like !ask. 
[08:08] <Flannel> hischild: If you're not directing it at anyone, you don't need a pipe, no:
[08:08] <Flannel> !ask
[08:09] <hischild> Flannel, if you can check, it's about half a screen back. !ask LoRdRapTuReZ is not recognized by ubottu as i forgot a pipe. 
[08:09] <Flannel> hischild: Correct, because there's no "ask Lord..." factoid
[08:09] <hischild> are the factoids with spaces then? If they are there, then i have missed them and my question has been answered. 
[08:09] <Flannel> yep
[08:09] <Flannel> let me... find one
[08:10] <Flannel> !help me
[08:11] <hischild> Ah yes i see. Then my question has been answered. Thank you
[08:11] <Flannel> and while we could probably add some fuzzy logic, when ubottu (and its ilk) are in use in 10+ channels at a time, etc, the extra processing is likely troublesome
[08:12] <hischild> I understand that yes. That's why i was wondering if it could be done always. However, when there are factoids that have spaces, i understand the need for the pipe. I suppose a better eye for the typing errors will do then. 
[08:13] <Flannel> hischild: someone will generally see it and correct you if you don't catch it.
[08:13] <hischild> Flannel, as i do with others. I thank you for your help. I suppose i should leave this channel? :-)
[08:14] <Flannel> either that, or ubottu will kick and scream.  We've all done it, more often than some of us care to admit.
[08:14] <Flannel> Aye, thanks
[08:14] <hischild> The thanks belong to you Flannel. 
[08:14] <hischild> !helpersnack | Flannel  ;-)
[08:21] <Gary> I see zloy was here again
[09:21] <Flannel> Whomever can: the floodbots don't seem to be working in kubuntu for proxy users
[09:21] <Flannel> (I don't know if they have to go into -proxy-users separately or something)
[09:33] <Flannel> anyone awake have -ot?
[09:34] <ikonia> yup
[09:41] <Myrtti> just woke up
[09:51]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti good morning.
[09:56] <Myrtti> how many times have I mentioned I just love flexitime?
[09:57] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, hehe
[10:02] <Myrtti> and also - insomnia sucks
[10:02] <elkbuntu> yah
[10:05] <elkbuntu> Flannel, realisticly, requiring quotes around the multi-word factoids or similar grouping techniques is probably the proper way to deal with the issue.
[10:05] <elkbuntu> since there are fewer grouped factoids than there are mistypings
[10:06] <Myrtti> O_____O i haz email
[10:08] <Myrtti> jussi01: WHERE ARE YOU
[10:09] <elkbuntu> i think he was heading to Perth today or something
[10:10] <ikonia> he is a world traveller
[10:10] <Myrtti> damnit. all my friends I can tall nonsense with are offline
[10:36] <Tm_T> morgen kids
[10:37]  * Tm_T woke up ~0530 to change diapers & stuff
[10:55] <Myrtti> blizzard
[10:58] <Myrtti> can we shut down -offtopic?
[11:05] <bazhang> that would be ideal.
[11:05] <bazhang> maybe a hour or two of mute
[11:10] <bazhang> yaa1 is about to be removed
[11:17] <elkbuntu> i suspect he was trolling
[11:17] <bazhang> no doubt
[11:18] <ikonia> bad advice too
[11:18] <ikonia> "recompile" password
[11:18] <ikonia> password is part of the shadow package and would be pretty dangerous to rebuild that on a live system
[11:19] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it was the only way to get rid of him
[11:19] <elkbuntu> and it was made quite clear it was the stupidest thing ever
[11:19] <ikonia> I don't doubt that
[11:20] <elkbuntu> to be honest, anyone who wants to make passwords overwritable by regular users deserves a b0rked system.
[11:21] <ikonia> yes, I was more thinking of watc ubuntu patches against "cracklib" for example, and rebuilding a native shadow package would just murder your system
[11:21] <ikonia> "what" ubuntu patches against that should read
[11:42] <ikonia> Panarchy is starting to be a real danger
[11:42] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[11:58] <elkbuntu> wow,  -ot is kind of on-topic...
[11:58] <ikonia> ha ha
[11:59] <gnomefreak> 7.04 was feisty right?
[12:00] <ikonia> yup
[12:01] <gnomefreak> thanks
[12:57] <ikonia> does anyone know if fedora has any group contacts for their loco channels
[12:57] <ikonia> I've just noted that one of the guys that tried to troll #ubuntu yesterday is actually a channel operator for a fedora loco
[13:19] <Ursinha> ikonia, operator? gee.
[13:21] <ikonia> only a loco operator, but still, it's an official channel, and after speaking with him, he can't see why joining #ubuntu under a false nick (I found him via IP) and saying "hey guys fedora 10 is out, you should all check it out, it's quick etc etc) then parting because he KNEW it was wrong, is wrong
[13:21] <ikonia> not really the right way to represent the fedora project in my view
[13:33] <LjL> ikonia: about fedora, i could probably pass the message on... who was this person and what channel?
[13:34] <ikonia> LjL: been trying to contact the guys myself
[13:34] <ikonia> LjL: guy is GNuBoi (he has many false nicks too) he runs the #fedora-nepal channel
[13:35] <LjL> ikonia: they've known me for some time (not too much, but some), so they might listen. but wait, the name you mentioned doesn't sound new to me
[13:35] <ikonia> LjL no, he's known as an issue in fedora
[13:35] <ikonia> I nkow some of the core ops (known for a year or two) and he's a ban / been banned in the core channel too
[13:36] <ikonia> hence my surprise to find him running an official "loco" or whatever it's called
[13:36] <LjL> ikonia: ah ok, in that case you should probably be the one talking to them
[13:37] <LjL> ikonia: but you see
[13:37] <LjL> ikonia: our own locos can be troublesome
[13:37] <LjL> ikonia: how many countries are there in the world? many...
[13:37] <ikonia> yup, and I'd do the same (have done the same)
[13:37] <ikonia> point it out to the right people, if they choose to act on it thats there call
[13:37] <LjL> ikonia: you do remember that we've had "him" as a loco channel contact for a while, don't you?
[13:37] <ikonia> (as in I would highlight/have highlited the same here)
[13:38] <ikonia> send me a name to refersh my memory as I've got brain fade
[13:38] <ikonia> LjL: wasn't "he" dropped though ?
[13:39] <ikonia> infact I remember lodging a complaint about it
[13:39] <LjL> ikonia: hm let's say there was pressure, at the very least
[13:39] <ikonia> that was one of the request I logged
[13:39] <ikonia> and I still publicly stand by that
[13:40] <LjL> ikonia: but indeed, you've certainly done the right thing reporting this one to the fedora people, i'm merely saying that you shouldn't be *too* surprised they have people like that running local channel
[13:40] <ikonia> no no, I understand that, and its easy to ignore what the small channels are up to
[13:40] <LjL> ikonia: they certainly seem quite sane a bunch generally speaking
[13:40] <ikonia> most of the guys I've taljked to are fine
[13:41] <LjL> but, i need to find out where i know the GuiBoi name from. it's not from fedora...
[13:41] <LjL> Gnu even
[13:42] <ikonia> I've logged his other nicks in BT
[13:42] <LjL> ah, that'll be a timesaver
[13:42] <ikonia> he uses other nicks as he genuinly doesn't think it's a bad thing if they are caught as they are not "him"
[13:44] <ikonia> the BT front end needs an update to allow "search marks only"
[13:44] <ikonia> LjL: found the nicks ?
[13:45] <LjL> ikonia: yes, and i've found others in my logs
[13:45] <ikonia> oh really
[13:45] <LjL> ikonia: Ujjwol for instance
[13:45] <ikonia> yeah, I noted him
[13:46] <LjL> ikonia: oh, then i didn't see everything you put in the BT i guess
[13:46] <ikonia> LjL: if you have any idea who the right person to take it to is, I'm all ears, I don't think -ops are the right guys, I'm talking to the ambasadors
[13:46] <LjL> ikonia: no, i'd only know to try -ops
[13:46] <ikonia> seeing if the "bad representation" could be taken forward rather than the one incident
[13:47] <LjL> ikonia: as Ujjwol, he spammed quite badly, too...
[13:47] <ikonia> yup
[13:48] <ikonia> that was the thing that first highlighted me to him and I traced him back to his other nicks
[13:48] <ikonia> but its ok as he's "Ujjwol" not Gnuboi
[13:48] <ikonia> it's ok if Ujjwol gets banned
[13:48] <ikonia> (apprantly)
[13:48] <LjL> ikonia: would freenode staff agree about that? i'm really not sure cloaks (whether project or unaffiliated) are intended as a means to have to hosts to ban evade from...
[13:49] <ikonia> LjL: sorry, exaplin that again ?
[13:49] <ikonia> LjL: didn't quite understand that
[13:49] <LjL> ikonia: does he have a cloak on gnuboi?
[13:50] <ikonia> LjL: I've not seen one as he swaps between 4 IP's and mibbet
[13:50] <LjL> ikonia: ah wonderful
[13:50] <LjL> ikonia: so it might not be a problem to him, but, if Ujjwol gets banned, then GnuBoi gets banned too - unless they consistently use different IPs
[13:51] <ikonia> LjL: same ip's
[13:51] <ikonia> apparantly they are his nicks and he has them registered
[13:51] <ikonia> but they are personas
[13:51] <ikonia> eg: one is used to "announce" or spam new info
[13:51] <LjL> ikonia: erm, ok, but if they're on the same IP and the same account, then i really can't see how he'd find it "ok" for one to be banned...
[13:51] <ikonia> one is used to secretly get information ??????
[13:51] <ikonia> LjL because he's a moron child
[13:52] <ikonia> he thinks people don't know it's the same guy
[13:52] <ikonia> he was shocked beyond belief whenI confronted him
[13:52] <ikonia> he couldn't understand how I had tracked him
[13:52] <LjL> ikonia: that's quite wishful thinking, when you /NICK on them...
[13:53] <LjL> anyway, you're right, stupidity has no limits so i shouldn't be surprised
[13:54] <ikonia> I think he's just new to "computers" and jumping on the open source bandwagon
[13:54] <ikonia> spent 10 minutes tyring to tell me how evil microsoft was, but couldn't explain why
[13:56] <LjL> ikonia: what did #f-ops tell you about the issue anyway? i assume, they they don't really have a clue who the namespace contact is?
[13:56] <ikonia> LjL: they don't know the process, and he's a pain in #fedora to
[13:56] <ikonia> there advice was just "ban him"
[13:57] <LjL> ikonia: they should know the process, a few of them have fedora cloaks...
[13:57] <ikonia> I'll ask in -ops to see if there is a more unified opinion in a bit
[13:57] <ikonia> infact I'll to it now
[14:03] <ikonia> LjL: thanks !
[14:22] <Myrtti> I hate firefox
[14:24] <Pici> What did it ever do to you?
[14:25] <LjL> i hate firefox too
[14:29] <Myrtti> I want to have epiphany type addressbar and ability to make my own search input boxes
[14:30] <LjL> Myrtti: konqueror!
[14:30] <Myrtti> LjL: pft.
[14:30] <Pici> w3m!
[14:44] <Myrtti> coconut curry ♥ 
[15:40] <genii> Good morning, afternoon, or evening :)
[15:42] <LjL> you always assume it's not night
[15:43] <genii> LjL: I'd class "evening" as night ... :)
[15:56] <ikonia> LjL: infomed staff ?
[15:56] <LjL> ikonia: yes
[15:56] <ikonia> ta
[16:54] <Pici> lalala
[16:58] <ikonia> @mark crusher asking for ubuntu ultimate support again
[16:58] <Pici> again?
[16:59] <ikonia> yes he's done it before a week or so ago
[16:59] <LjL> ikonia: thanks to canonical's very efficient trademarks enforcement dep ;)
[16:59] <ikonia> hence why I marked it
[16:59] <Pici> ikonia: Also, you should put #ubuntu there, otherwise it'll add the log from -ops to the bt.
[16:59] <ikonia> I thought I had, sorry
[17:14] <Flannel> Howdy Crusher, how can we help you?
[17:14] <Crusher> i mean is ubuntu n ultimate edition different ?
[17:15] <ikonia> it is not made by ubuntu
[17:15] <ikonia> Crusher: it is nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:15] <LjL> of course they're different
[17:15] <LjL> if they were the same, why there would be two of the same thing?
[17:15] <ikonia> Crusher: there are links on the ultimate edition website about support, they can help you
[17:16] <Crusher> oh 
[17:16] <Flannel> Crusher: Or, you can install a properly supported version of Ubuntu
[17:16] <ikonia> Crusher: you where told that twice in #ubuntu from ubottu
[17:17] <Crusher> ikonia:actually i was thinking of upgrading my OS to intrepid ibex....i m totally wrong then 
[17:17] <ikonia> yes
[17:17] <ikonia> I suggest you rad about the distro you've installed
[17:17] <ikonia> read
[17:17] <LjL> Crusher: upgrading will probably break everything.
[17:17] <LjL> if you want Intrepid, install it from scratch.
[17:17] <Crusher> LjL: oh
[17:17] <LjL> it can be downloaded from http://www.ubuntu.com/
[17:20] <ikonia> Crusher: anything else you need ?
[17:20] <Crusher> ikonia: yeah i m in dilemma
[17:20] <ikonia> what can we help you with ?
[17:22] <Crusher> ikonia: i got this edition installed from  a DVD which contains lots of programs initially....even i've installed many of 'em 
[17:23] <LjL> Crusher: is your internet connection particularly slow?
[17:23] <Crusher> ikonia: i don't want to get into trouble of downloading all of them again.....but i also want to use intrepid 
[17:23] <Crusher> ikonia: yeah 
[17:24] <Crusher> ikonia: i m from Nepal........Institute of Engineering
[17:24] <ikonia> Crusher: maybe speak to your teachers about using a faster connection, but I'm afraid we can't help you with that
[17:25] <LjL> Crusher: well, that's up to you really... in any case, moving to intrepid will require a lot of downloading.
[17:26] <LjL> Crusher: try asking in #ubuntu-np, perhaps they can help you obtain an intrepid DVD
[17:26] <Crusher> LjL: thank u ...... 
[17:28] <LjL> Crusher: welcome. anything else?
[17:29] <Crusher> LjL:can u really give me some links where i can learn much about LINUX things?
[17:29] <ikonia> Crusher: just do some googling or ask in the channel suggested
[17:29] <Crusher> LjL: i don't want to get messed up again....in confusion
[17:29] <LjL> there are no magical links. but if you want some generic linux help, try ##linux
[17:29] <ikonia> those guys are local to you
[17:29] <Crusher> okay 
[18:00] <LjL> Crusher, if you don't have anything else, please leave this channel
[18:01] <Crusher> LjL: i got it....
[18:02] <Crusher> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Ultimate
[18:02] <ikonia> do you know how to leave the channel ?
[18:03] <ikonia> Crusher: why are you showing us that ?
[18:03] <Crusher> ikonia: i mean i got the clear view why u guys don't regard it as a ubuntu version ?
[18:04] <ikonia> well thats great, so if there is nothing else you need from us, you can leave and go on with your day
[18:04] <Crusher> ikonia: why sud i live? i mean wot's wrong joining it?
[18:04] <Pici> !idle | Crusher 
[18:05] <Crusher> okayyyyyyyyy 
[18:05] <Crusher> got it 
[18:05] <LjL> it took only... how many hours?
[18:06] <Pici> @mark crusher ultamate edition stuffs
[18:06] <ikonia> nice comment
[18:07] <Pici> I could have sworn it was spelled Ultamate (not Ultimate) at some point in time too.
[18:18] <LjL> !shipit
[18:19] <LjL> !shipit ~= s/Hardy (8.04)/Intrepid (8.10)/
[18:19] <LjL> really?
[18:19] <LjL> !no shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will send Intrepid (8.10) CDs
[18:26] <Pici> Hrm, I thought I fixed that one.
[18:28] <LjL> Pici: they could very well have kept sending LTS CDs
[18:41] <vorian> 34
[18:41] <vorian> oops :)
[18:42] <jdong> vorian: riding big wheels? *ducks*
[18:43] <vorian> weeeee
[18:43] <vorian> yus!
[20:02] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[20:37] <Ursinha> Myrtti, you seem always bored...
[20:37] <Myrtti> no, just tired
[20:50] <Myrtti> LjL: thanks
[20:53] <LjL> Myrtti: pity i can't do the same in #debian and ##linux where he also posted it
[21:17] <Myrtti> LjL: well, having read the debian developer email list lately, I'm not surprised they'd drool openly at that picture
[21:26] <LjL> Myrtti: to be fair, on #debian he was just sternly told to "spam elsewhere"
[21:27] <LjL> they "lol"'d a bit on ##linux on the other hand