[07:41] morning all :-) [12:42] * ara -> lunch [14:35] * ara -> reboots [15:57] cr3: morning :-) [15:57] ara: hiya! [15:57] cr3: how are you doing? [15:58] ara: all good, working on some exciting stuff [15:59] ara: and you, how's desktop testing coming along? [16:00] cr3: all good, we will need to discuss at uds about hte gnome participation, but so far so good [16:00] about that, how did you start ldtp + at-spi-registry to be more reliable? [16:00] I cannot remember [16:00] cr3 ^ [16:01] ara: do you have all tests closing windows now? and can the test suite be run multiple times in a row, there was a problem with some applications which have forms to complete when first opened [16:01] ara: are you having reliability issues when running it as yourself? the concern I worked on was mostly when running it as root on behalf of another user [16:02] cr3: yes, sometimes ldtp server just fails. good news is that nagappan is moving ldtp core from C to Python. wohoo! [16:03] ara: might it be too late to start such a migration from C to Python considering Strongwind is starting to get noticed by Gnome [16:04] cr3: well, strongwind is in a very early stage. Maybe they could join both projects [16:05] ara: that would sound like a win, instead of scattering resources. it's not as if they seem that different anyways, it's just a layer over at-spi [16:06] cr3: yes, definitely [21:38] hi cr3 [21:51] nagappan: hi there! [21:51] nagappan: ara tells me you're thinking of rewriting the C parts of ldtp to Python [21:54] cr3, I have already done the recording part, currently doing the execution engine [21:54] cr3, have sent email [21:54] cr3, to you and other GNOME guys [21:54] cr3, requesting your inputs [21:55] nagappan: nice! how do you feel about strongwind in respect to ldtp? [21:57] cr3, StrongWind, doesn't have many ready made API as LDTP, just my opinion :) LDTP is easy for QA engineers and StrongWind will be easy for developers to extend the framework [21:58] nagappan: my concern is that it seems like a duplication of effort and, if ldtp has many ready many API, that could be useful for developers as well [21:59] nagappan: is strongwind a project that was initiated by gnome or someone else? [22:00] cr3, by Medsphere [22:02] nagappan: sounds corporate, so I still don't quite understand the motivation for choosing strongwind over ldtp :( [22:03] cr3, :) [22:03] cr3, currently LDTP being used by VMware, Palm Source, ofcourse Ubuntu, Evolution project, soon there will be announcement from European Union [22:04] cr3, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ldtp-dev/2008-June/000625.html [22:04] cr3, some work is going on, which I can't share now much [22:04] nagappan: and it's been used by Novell for a long time [22:04] cr3, yes [22:04] nagappan: the list goes on, which begs the question even more why to choose something else :( [22:05] cr3, I don't know from where StrongWind suddenly came, I don't see much activity, apart from some one speaking [22:06] cr3, anyways I don't want to speak much on public channel about other tools [22:07] cr3, I can share a doc, which my manager created before moving from Dogtail to LDTP for VMware Workstation testing [22:07] nagappan: I understand, but this should also be of public concern how we're suddenly scattering resources which breaks my heart :( [22:08] cr3, I can give data from my side, about LDTP [22:12] nagappan: might you happen to know if there's any form of compatibility between ldtp and strongwind so that tests can potentially be shared between the two projects? [22:12] cr3, as of now there is no, probably we can look into it [22:12] nagappan: will you be at fosscamp and/or uds? [22:13] cr3, I will attend the Ubuntu conf in Mountain View, this year end [22:13] cr3, ara has invited me :) [22:13] nagappan: she rocks! [22:14] cr3, BTW did you got the other email from me ? [22:15] cr3, 2 emails [22:19] nagappan: the one about enlarging my manhood? seriously, I received both of 'em :) [22:22] cr3, cool [22:22] cr3, need your valuable inputs [22:23] nagappan: I'm not sure I understand: Let us work on the application level common things together. Could you please provide us info on how to go about ? [22:23] cr3, I mean, the applications are common for all the distribution