[00:01] <nycz> uh, is there any browser that's more compatible than dillo but faster that midori? ._.
[00:01] <TheSheep> nycz: compatible to what?
[00:01] <nycz> TheSheep: web standards
[00:01] <nycz> dillo cant even show wikipedia in a nice way
[00:01] <TheSheep> nycz: dillo is very compatible to web standards
[00:02] <TheSheep> nycz: it just doesn't support css, which is perfectly valid according to the w3c
[00:02] <nycz> ah
[00:02] <nycz> well then
[00:02] <nycz> is there any browser that supports css but is faster than midori?
[00:03] <knome> nycz, you start to be pushing your luck
[00:04] <nycz> knome: you gotta push until you find the borders :P
[00:05] <nycz> i want to try and squeeze out every drop of fast-ness of this computer
[00:05] <nycz> *speed o_O
[00:09] <TheSheep> nycz: well, I once wrote a browser that supports (some) css and uses gtkhtml2, which is faster than webkit (by virtue of not supporting javascript and more advanced css)
[00:09] <TheSheep> nycz: but it's not really usable
[00:10] <nycz> TheSheep: heh
[00:10] <nycz> hm
[00:11] <TheSheep> nycz: http://code.google.com/p/arora/
[00:11] <TheSheep> nycz: that's another webkit-based browser
[00:12] <nycz> but shouldnt all webkitbrowsers be more or less equally fast?
[00:13] <TheSheep> there is some overhead of the gui, and some of them may seem faster by displaying the page before it's actually loaded and having more responsive interface
[00:13] <nycz> ok
[00:20] <NotADJ> Half the xfce packages are gnome-*
[00:21] <TheSheep> NotADJ: well, gnome has the habit of adopting good gtk-based applications
[00:21] <NotADJ> :P
[00:22] <TheSheep> NotADJ: that doesn't mean that once they are adopted in gnome, we can't use them anymore in xubuntu
[00:22] <scooby2> any chance the xubuntu live cd has flash?
[00:24] <TheSheep> scooby2: as soon as Adobe opensources it
[00:24] <scooby2> thats what i figured
[00:25] <NotADJ> gnash
[00:26] <TheSheep> NotADJ: I think it's installed by default, but won't run everything
[00:27] <NotADJ> Oh?
[00:27] <NotADJ> Cool
[00:27] <NotADJ> 9%
[00:27] <NotADJ> Yay
[00:27] <NotADJ> 61%*
[00:30] <NotADJ> Grub!
[00:30] <nycz> huh
[00:30] <NotADJ> That was 91% before.
[00:30] <NotADJ> The install is almost finishedQ
[00:30] <nycz> install of what? :P
[00:30] <NotADJ> Ubuntu
[00:31] <nycz> ah
[00:35] <Conmiro> Help
[00:35] <Conmiro> Im trying to ru my copmuter as server
[00:36] <Conmiro> and I need help setting up my ip that isint working right
[00:38] <NotADJ> It works!
[00:38] <NotADJ> Slow, but it works!
[00:38] <NotADJ> Conmiro: How do you mean?
[00:41] <TheSheep> Conmiro: your question is unclear, can you ask it differently?
[00:45] <Conmiro> ok....
[00:45] <Conmiro> Im trying to host my xubuntu os as the host for my website
[00:45] <Conmiro> like I put files on it
[00:45] <Conmiro> make my IP public
[00:45] <Conmiro> set up domain for IP
[00:45] <Conmiro> and :D
[00:46] <TheSheep> well, you can't make your IP public, your provider must do it for you
[00:47] <nycz> isn't there better distros, specifically made for servers?
[00:47] <knome> o/ ->
[00:48] <TheSheep> nycz: sure, hundreds
[00:48] <TheSheep> nycz: each one better than all others
[00:48] <nycz> :P
[00:49] <nycz> xubuntu just seemed like a little odd choice
[00:50] <TheSheep> nycz: it's easy to install and start learning
[00:50] <TheSheep> nycz: later you can change to something more sophisticated
[00:51] <nycz> i see
[00:51] <nycz> guess i just think of minimalistic textbased distros when i hear server
[00:52] <Conmiro> Ive done it before....
[00:52] <Conmiro> On my own......
[00:52] <TheSheep> Conmiro: then your ip must already be public
[00:52] <Conmiro> Yes ubuntu server doesint work for ,e.
[00:52] <Conmiro> me
[00:52] <Conmiro> Ok, but it hasint seemed to be working since I installed xubuntu....
[00:52] <TheSheep> Conmiro: what exactly doesn't work? what do you do to test it?
[00:55] <Conmiro> I go to my IP
[00:55] <Conmiro> and it doesint load my website on XP
[00:55] <Conmiro> oh important info: I had it set up on xp
[00:56] <Conmiro> and was able to go to my ip
[00:56] <Conmiro> and it would show my website
[00:56] <Conmiro> and other people tried and it worked for them
[00:56] <Conmiro> But I wanted to configure it with Xubuntu
[00:56] <Conmiro> and now xp doesint work
[00:56] <Conmiro> only localhost and 127.0.0.1 work....
[00:56] <TheSheep> wait, you installed xubuntu and your web site on windows xp stopped working?
[00:57] <Conmiro> yes
[00:57] <TheSheep> or did you install apache on xubuntu and it doesn't work?
[00:57] <Conmiro> I installed apache on Xubuntu
[00:57] <Conmiro> and it doesint work and now XP doesint work
[00:58] <Conmiro> mabey coincidence
[00:58] <Conmiro> Idk
[00:58] <Conmiro> side question: How do I add users? the add button seems to be grayed out in user and group manager.
[00:59] <TheSheep> Conmiro: you have to unlock it first
[01:00] <Conmiro> ok
[01:00] <Conmiro> may I ask how?
[01:00] <TheSheep> Conmiro: click on unlock and give your password
[01:00] <TheSheep> ok, apache on xubuntu by default only listens on localhost
[01:00] <TheSheep> to change it, edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[01:00] <TheSheep> as rood
[01:00] <Conmiro> ok
[01:00] <TheSheep> root
[01:00] <Conmiro> root?
[01:00] <Conmiro> OMG
[01:01] <Conmiro> is that why It says i dont have access to certain things?
[01:01] <Conmiro> I must be logged in as root?
[01:01] <TheSheep> no
[01:01] <TheSheep> you can use this command: gksu mousepad /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[01:01] <TheSheep> it will ask you for password and then run the editor as root
[01:01]  * NotADJ watches house
[01:02] <TheSheep> Conmiro: there is a detailed guide about apache, if it helps
[01:02] <TheSheep> !apache
[01:03] <TheSheep> Conmiro: just use mousepad instead of gedit everywhere
[01:03] <Conmiro> ok
[01:03] <Conmiro> let me open terminal
[01:03] <TheSheep> Conmiro: after you have edited it, you have to reload apache:  sudo /etc/init.d/apache reload
[01:04] <TheSheep> or was it apache2? :/
[01:04] <TheSheep> yes, apache2
[01:04] <Conmiro> ok.
[01:04] <Conmiro> so change listen 80 to list myip?
[01:05] <TheSheep> Conmiro: just add one more line
[01:05] <TheSheep> with your ip
[01:05] <Conmiro> oh
[01:05] <Conmiro> ok
[01:05] <TheSheep> or with * instead of ip
[01:05] <TheSheep> if you want it to listen on all
[01:05] <Conmiro> do I need to add listen?
[01:05] <TheSheep> yes
[01:06] <Conmiro> or just hav following: Listen 80 (anotherline) ip
[01:06] <TheSheep> Listen *:80
[01:06] <TheSheep> somehting like that
[01:07] <TheSheep> hmm, wait
[01:07] <Conmiro> ok..
[01:07] <TheSheep> it was Listen 80 ?
[01:07] <TheSheep> and only that?
[01:07] <Conmiro> listten 80
[01:07] <TheSheep> not Listen 127.0.0.1:80 ?
[01:07] <Conmiro> NameVirtualHost *:80 Listen 80
[01:07] <Conmiro> thats two lines...
[01:07] <TheSheep> argh, then it was ok
[01:07] <Conmiro> no changing needed?
[01:08] <TheSheep> it should work
[01:08] <TheSheep> yeah
[01:08] <Conmiro> ok
[01:08] <Conmiro> so now what
[01:08] <TheSheep> did you add any firewall rules?
[01:08] <Conmiro> no
[01:08] <Conmiro> but it doesint work still
[01:08]  * TheSheep scratches his head
[01:08] <Conmiro> 66.182.206.18 is not loading
[01:08] <TheSheep> and localhost is?
[01:09] <Conmiro> works
[01:09] <Conmiro> yes
[01:09] <Conmiro> remote desktop?
[01:10] <TheSheep> no
[01:10] <Conmiro> it wouldent help u?
[01:11] <TheSheep> hmm, when I try to connect to port 80, it's being filtered by a firewall
[01:11] <Conmiro> it is?
[01:11] <Conmiro> Ok
[01:11] <Conmiro> that seems good
[01:12] <Conmiro> that means it is public, just firewalled?
[01:12] <TheSheep> on 66.182.213.6
[01:12] <TheSheep> yes
[01:12] <Conmiro> thats my IP?
[01:12] <TheSheep> is 66.182.213.6 your gateway?
[01:12] <Conmiro> idk
[01:12] <Conmiro> Ive got two ips
[01:12] <TheSheep> no, that's the last host that I can see with tcptraceroute
[01:12] <Conmiro> .....
[01:12] <Conmiro> oh
[01:13] <Conmiro> well
[01:13] <TheSheep> what does it say when you type 'route' in the terminal?
[01:13] <Conmiro> my normal gateway for router
[01:13] <nycz> g'nite
[01:13] <Conmiro> terminal?
[01:13] <Conmiro> or firefox?
[01:13] <TheSheep> terminal
[01:13] <TheSheep> there should be a line that says 'default'
[01:13] <Conmiro> gateway= *
[01:13] <TheSheep> and an ip address
[01:13] <Conmiro> 192.168.2.0
[01:13] <Conmiro> but u cant access that
[01:13] <TheSheep> I know
[01:14] <Conmiro> ok
[01:14] <TheSheep> so you have two internet connections there?
[01:15] <Conmiro> I guess......
[01:15] <Conmiro> Ive got two ips
[01:15] <Conmiro> when I go to myip it tells me my ip is 66.182.206.18
[01:15] <TheSheep> you are behind a NAT
[01:16] <TheSheep> in a private network, that only has one public ip, but many private ips
[01:16] <Conmiro> ok
[01:16] <Conmiro> so what I do
[01:16] <Conmiro> TheSheep you seem really smart...
[01:16] <TheSheep> you need to ask your admin to configure the router so that all requests to port 80 are forwarded to your computer
[01:16] <Conmiro> Im the admin
[01:17] <Conmiro> shall i configure router?
[01:17] <TheSheep> then you have to read the router's manual to see how to do it
[01:17] <Conmiro> i think I know how
[01:17] <Conmiro> im in router menu
[01:17] <TheSheep> it should be called 'port forwarding'
[01:17] <Conmiro> ok
[01:17] <Conmiro> no tabs with that name
[01:18] <Conmiro> under firewall possibly?
[01:18] <TheSheep> might be
[01:19] <Conmiro> cant find
[01:19] <Conmiro> and I have no manual
[01:19] <Conmiro> remote desktop?
[01:19] <Conmiro> lol, sorry im upsessed....
[01:20] <TheSheep> maybe google for 'port forwarding' and your router's name...
[01:20] <Conmiro> oh theres a help documentation
[01:20] <Conmiro> il search it
[01:21] <Conmiro> oh
[01:21] <Conmiro> i need to setup as static?
[01:21] <Conmiro> one second
[01:21] <NotADJ> 9_9
[01:21] <TheSheep> NotADJ: sleepy?
[01:21] <Conmiro> help me
[01:22] <Conmiro> where i find subnet mask
[01:22] <TheSheep> Conmiro: of which subnet?
[01:22] <Conmiro> is that 255255255255?
[01:22] <Conmiro> idk
[01:22] <TheSheep> Conmiro: internal or external?
[01:22] <Conmiro> im setting up static
[01:22] <Conmiro> idk :(
[01:22] <TheSheep> 255.255.255.0 probably
[01:23] <Conmiro> oh that seems familiar
[01:23] <TheSheep> if that's your internal network, that is 192.168.x.x
[01:23] <Conmiro> whats gateway address
[01:23] <Conmiro> same as ip?
[01:23] <TheSheep> if it's external network, then you should have received the mask from your isp, or just got it via dhcp
[01:23] <NotADJ> No
[01:24] <Conmiro> ok.............
[01:24] <TheSheep> gateway is the ip address of your ISP's computer
[01:24] <Conmiro> wow
[01:24] <Conmiro> how i find that out
[01:24] <Conmiro> without calling them
[01:24] <TheSheep> for intrnal network, just set it to whatever ip comes to your mind
[01:25] <TheSheep> 192.168.0.1 is popular
[01:25] <Conmiro> ohhhhh
[01:25] <Conmiro> do i setup virtual servers??
[01:25] <Conmiro> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Belkin/F5D7632-4/default.htm
[01:25] <Conmiro> scroll down
[01:25] <TheSheep> no, you are setting NAT, a translation between private and public network
[01:26] <Conmiro> ok
[01:26] <TheSheep> Conmiro: yes, that's it
[01:26] <Conmiro> wait what?
[01:26] <TheSheep> why do they have to invent their own names :/
[01:26] <TheSheep> you are setting up a virtual server :)
[01:26] <Conmiro> so i dont need static? just click virtual servers?
[01:26] <Conmiro> ok
[01:26] <Conmiro> what type
[01:27] <TheSheep> tcp
[01:27] <Conmiro> kk
[01:27] <TheSheep> and both ports 80
[01:27] <Conmiro> k
[01:27] <Conmiro> what description
[01:27] <TheSheep> whatever comes to your mind
[01:27] <Conmiro> oh
[01:27] <TheSheep> just don't swear too much
[01:27] <Conmiro> Dude
[01:27] <Conmiro> there is
[01:27] <Conmiro> aready one there
[01:27] <Conmiro> Web Server (http)
[01:27] <TheSheep> is it enabled?
[01:27] <Conmiro> its disabled
[01:27] <TheSheep> then enable it :)
[01:28] <Conmiro> what private ip adress?
[01:28] <TheSheep> and make sure it's for the ip that you have
[01:28] <Conmiro> ok
[01:28] <TheSheep> ifconfig will show it
[01:28] <TheSheep> at the terminal
[01:28] <Conmiro> 2.0?
[01:28] <Conmiro> ok
[01:28] <Conmiro> invalid
[01:28] <Conmiro> when i pressed submit
[01:28] <Conmiro> cant be 2.0
[01:29] <Conmiro> 2.4?
[01:29] <TheSheep> 192.168.2.0
[01:29] <Conmiro> cant be that
[01:29] <TheSheep> can't be, it's a broadcast address
[01:29] <Conmiro> ok
[01:29] <Conmiro> then what
[01:29] <TheSheep> unicast, sorry
[01:29] <TheSheep> anyways, can't be used :)
[01:29] <Conmiro> what then
[01:29] <TheSheep> use the address that appears next to 'inet addr:' in ifconfig
[01:29] <Conmiro> err wheres that
[01:30] <Conmiro> ifconfig?
[01:30] <TheSheep> type 'ifconfig' in terminal on your linux box
[01:30] <Conmiro> oh
[01:30] <Conmiro> i see
[01:30] <Conmiro> :D
[01:30] <Conmiro> 127.0.0.1?
[01:30] <Conmiro> wait
[01:30] <Conmiro> no
[01:30] <Conmiro> thats local
[01:30] <TheSheep> there should be several interfaces
[01:30] <Conmiro> theres another one
[01:30] <Conmiro> eth0?
[01:30] <TheSheep> yes
[01:30] <Conmiro> or eth1
[01:31] <Conmiro> only eth1 has inet addr
[01:31] <Conmiro> 192.168.2.2!!!
[01:31] <Conmiro> applied!
[01:32] <TheSheep> I can see your web page
[01:32] <TheSheep> now, it would be wise to make sure that this computer always gets this ip address
[01:33] <TheSheep> so either configure it as 'static' on the computer, or configure your router to always give it the same address
[01:33] <TheSheep> the first is simpler to do
[01:33] <TheSheep> but less foolproof
[01:34] <TheSheep> the second requires you to set that ip for the MAC address of your computer
[01:34] <TheSheep> you can see the mac next to 'HWaddr' in ifconfig
[01:38] <Conmiro> ok
[01:38] <Conmiro> now what
[01:38] <Conmiro> it works!!!
[01:38] <Conmiro> 66.182.206.18  works!!
[01:38] <Conmiro> u try
[01:38] <TheSheep> wanna bet he'll be back in 2 days when he gets a different ip from his dhcp?
[01:41] <NotADJ> o_o
[01:54] <bobJR> can someone help me i just installed crossover games on xubuntu intrepid and its not showing up in menu does anyone know how to make it show
[01:58] <TheSheep> bobJR: settings->menu editor
[02:01] <bobJR> thats what i thought but the only thing its showing on menu editor is settings
[02:02] <bobJR> and all the hiddens are unchecked
[02:04] <bobJR> =[ im a kde person everything always shows up on the menu when i install something but it seems xfce dont
[02:05] <TheSheep> just add an entry
[02:05] <bobJR> ok
[02:05] <TheSheep> you can create a submenu if you want that entry in a submenu
[02:05] <bobJR> oh
[02:05] <TheSheep> the system menu witll be merged with what you create
[02:05] <bobJR> brb
[02:08] <bobJR> ok i see now thanks
[02:19] <bobJR> ok another question i got it to show but weres the default applications at ?
[02:19] <bobJR> like the ones that are on the applications menu by defaults
[02:20] <TheSheep> bobJR: they are all define in /usr/share/applications
[02:20] <TheSheep> one file per entry
[02:20] <bobJR> ok thanks
[02:20] <TheSheep> if you want to modify them, copy corresponding file to ~/.local/share/applications and edit there
[02:22] <bobJR> is there a command i can put to put them back in default because alot of stuff is gone lol
[02:22] <bobJR> in terminal that is
[02:23] <TheSheep> I don't understand
[02:24] <bobJR> like were it says network and multimedia all that is gone somehow it dont say multimedia or network theres only 2 items on the menu and they are crossover games and settings
[02:25] <bobJR> crossover games i put there in menu editor
[02:25] <bobJR> but the rest of the stuff that was on there is gone now
[02:26] <TheSheep> bobJR: aah, xfce4-menueditor
[02:26] <bobJR> thanks
[02:26] <TheSheep> and add that include at the end
[02:27] <NotADJ> Where can I find the NDiswrapper .deb?
[02:27] <TheSheep> NotADJ: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:28] <NotADJ> Hmm
[02:28] <NotADJ> No good.
[02:28] <TheSheep> bobJR: you can also delete ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml  and relog, then you will get the default
[02:29] <NotADJ> TheSheep: Doesn't seem as if it has the kernel module is there too.
[02:29] <bobJR> thank you TheSheep
[02:29] <bobJR> you have been alot of help
[02:31] <TheSheep> !ndiswrapper
[02:32] <TheSheep> NotADJ: I suppose it's in -restricted modules
[02:47] <NotADJ> TheSheep: I downloaded #
[02:47] <NotADJ> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/misc/ndiswrapper-common
[02:47] <NotADJ> #
[02:47] <NotADJ> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/misc/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[02:47] <NotADJ> But there are no kernel modules
[02:48] <iShock> How do I update my graphics driver?
[02:48] <NotADJ> iShock: Umm... Sypnbatic?
[02:48] <NotADJ> Sypnatic?
[02:48] <iShock> TDJACR!
[02:49] <NotADJ> iShock: Um, hi?
[02:50]  * iShock aka: Lee
[02:50] <NotADJ> iShock: Oh!
[02:50] <NotADJ> :P
[02:50] <iShock> Exactly what in Synaptic am I looking for? :<
[02:50] <NotADJ> iShock: Is it a proprietary driver?
[02:50] <iShock> Not sure
[02:51] <iShock> Define proprietary :<
[02:51] <NotADJ> Well if it is go to hardware drivers if not, IDK
[02:51] <NotADJ> :P
[02:51] <iShock> IDK what proprietary is :<
[02:52] <NotADJ> Closed-Source?
[02:52] <iShock> Oh, it's Intel :P
[02:53] <NotADJ> :/
[02:53] <NotADJ> idk
[02:53] <iShock> Useless creature :<
[02:53] <iShock> What'd you do to get banned from Cluenet?
[02:54] <NotADJ> iShock: Lamia hates me, I don't know why/
[02:54] <NotADJ> Whatever
[02:54] <iShock> I thought she hated me
[02:54] <iShock> Guess I was wrong :o
[03:06] <yotux> I am doing a fresh install what type of partions should I setup
[03:17] <iShock> NotADJ:
[03:20] <B0BBY> Hello People.
[03:21] <B0BBY> so what is the googleearth-package doing?
[03:21] <B0BBY> there's google earth for ubuntu?
[05:17] <MHz128> hello!
[05:18] <MHz128> After initial start up, I am asked to unlock the default keyring to allow nm-applet to connect. How can this be automated on bootup?
[05:20] <MHz128> hello again!
[05:20] <MHz128> After initial start up, I am asked to unlock the default keyring to allow nm-applet to connect. How can this be automated on bootup?
[05:27] <B0BBY> Hello People.
[05:28] <B0BBY> clear
[05:42] <MHz128> clear
[05:42] <MHz128> How do I automate the keyring unlocking at startup?
[07:34] <anubis> Could someone tell me how to move a file as root ?  I know it's a stupid question, but I am new to this.
[07:35] <anubis> I want to move an xorg.conf file to /etc/X11/
[07:36] <ball> anubis: mv xorg.conf /etc/X11
[07:38] <anubis> The file I want to move is on the desktop and I want to move it to /etc/X11
[07:39] <ball> oh.  mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && mv ~anubis/old/Desktop/xorg.conf /etc/X11
[07:39] <ball> You may want to be root when you do that, or insert "sudo" before each mv
[07:39] <anubis> I did.  It worked, thanks
[07:40] <anubis> Now hopefully this POS won't revert back to 640x480 res. when I restart the X server.  I was using the Nvidia Configuration Menu and trying to save the new xorg.conf file and it told me I didn't have permission.
[07:41]  * ball nods
[07:41] <anubis> I would assume that most people here use the Nvidia Configuration Utility?
[07:42] <nillerz> hello!
[07:42]  * ball doesn't.
[07:42] <nillerz> Is there a way to change teh default file manager? Thunar isn't doing it for me and Dolphin has wood me with her sexiness.
[07:43] <nillerz> Also, I'm usng Xubuntu 8.04.
[07:43] <nillerz> Any takers? Anyone? Anywhere?
[07:44] <ball> I'm going to bed
[07:44] <ball> it's 01:44
[07:44] <nillerz> Well so long feller
[07:44] <nillerz> It's 2:44 here
[07:44] <nillerz> But seriously, no halp? :c?
[07:45] <nillerz> Oh well, channel bounce time.
[07:45] <ball> nillerz: I don't know how to change that, sorry.
[09:35] <jxander> i'm using pyNeighborhoo and it gives me a Failed to mount error. what should i do?
[09:36] <R1cochet> i have 2 ntfs drives mounted and was wondering if i can unmount them and then remound them using a diff name for them?
[09:36] <R1cochet> remount*
[09:36] <jxander> change mount dir
[09:36] <jxander> fstab
[09:37] <R1cochet> what is fstab?
[09:37] <jxander> /etc/fstab
[09:37] <jxander> open a terminal and "man fstab"
[09:39] <R1cochet> is man similar to gedit?
[09:39] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ Nevermind thank you
[09:41] <R1cochet> so should i sudo gedit /etc/fstab and edit it from there?
[09:42] <jxander> yeah
[09:42] <R1cochet> cool man thank you much
[09:42] <jxander> but be careful
[09:42] <jxander> and... if you find the names you want to change there, you have to change the actual directories too...
[09:42] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ
[09:43] <R1cochet> directories where? in thunar
[09:43] <R1cochet> i was gonna remove bookmarks from thunar then rename then readd them
[09:43] <jxander> alt+f2, then gksu thunar
[09:43] <jxander> or sudo thunar
[09:44] <R1cochet> y would i need to do that?
[09:45] <R1cochet> when i do it pops up thunar but w/out the bookmarks i added
[09:45] <R1cochet> shortcuts in side pane*
[09:53] <jxander> yeah
[09:53] <jxander> that's thunar for root user
[09:54] <jxander> so you can modify directories in /media or whatever place you have those partitions mounted
[09:55] <jxander> did you manage to change the entries in fstab?
[09:55] <R1cochet> not yet i have a proggy running thats reading from old mounted names
[09:56] <jxander> R1cochet: for more information, you should really type "man fstab" in a terminal...
[09:56] <R1cochet> i did
[09:56] <jxander> and, everything clear?
[09:57] <jarnos> jxander: Shouldn't it be gksudo instead of gksu?
[09:57] <R1cochet> yea i believe so
[09:57] <jxander> for me it works with gksu... cross my heart :P
[09:57] <jxander> both ways...
[09:57] <R1cochet> cant i sudo thunar as well?
[09:58] <jxander> think so
[09:58] <R1cochet> ok
[09:58] <jxander> yeah... that works for me too
[09:59] <jxander> jarnos: gksudo is a link to executable gksu... at least in my case...
[10:00] <jxander> jarnos: did you use pyNeighborhood?
[10:00] <R1cochet> whats the diff between gksudo and just sudo?
[10:00] <jarnos> jxander: not that I know ;)
[10:00] <jxander> :)
[10:00] <jxander> it errors my brains out
[10:01] <jarnos> R1cochet: At least gksudo asks password in separate window.
[10:02] <R1cochet> ok
[10:02] <R1cochet> thank you both jxander and jarnos
[10:03] <jxander> you're welcome R1cochet
[10:05] <jarnos> R1cochet: also if you run firefox by sudo you may get your session restored, but with gksudo not.
[10:06] <R1cochet> ok
[10:07] <jarnos> I don't know why that is so.
[10:08] <jxander> is there a way to drag and drop shortcuts to the panel?
[10:08] <jarnos> jxander: same here: /usr/bin/gksudo is a link to gksu.
[10:08] <jxander> jarnos: that's where i was looking when i said about the link ;)
[10:09] <R1cochet> jxander: if you mean in thyounar then yes jyoust tried it
[10:09] <R1cochet> thunar*
[10:10] <R1cochet> just* wow that was some bad spelling
[10:10] <jarnos> jxander: But try to launch thunar by "gksu --su-mode thunar"
[10:10] <jxander> hmmm... i want to create many launchers on a panel by using shortcuts from the menu... i mean, already having icons and stuff
[10:11] <jxander> maybe i should just drag them from /usr/share/applications :))
[10:12] <R1cochet> whaat i add to thunar side pane shows up in places panel drop down
[10:12] <jxander> yeah
[10:12] <jxander> that's desired behavior
[10:12] <jxander> :P
[10:14] <jarnos> jxander: Maybe you use more dragging in KDE4?
[10:14] <jxander> jarnos: by running gksu --su-mode thunar, it won't recognize my password :(... i really don't understand why...
[10:15] <jxander> and... i hate kde4 btw :P
[10:15] <jxander> xfce works way better with dualhead
[10:15] <jarnos> jxander: maybe even kde3.
[10:16] <jxander> :P
[10:16] <jxander> hating that too :P
[10:17] <jarnos> jxander: I guess that is one reason why we chose this channel instead of #kubuntu.
[10:17] <jxander> well maybe i don't hate them... i might just prefer gnome and of course xfce :P
[10:17] <jxander> :))
[10:19] <jxander> although, from what i've seen, kde is evolving pretty fast compared to gnome... :(
[10:19] <jxander> R1cochet: any progress?
[10:19] <jarnos> jxander: How do you use dual-head in Xubuntu 8.10 default installation?
[10:21] <jxander> i have an ati mobility radeon x1400, so using fglrx... there is aticonfig... you just configure it to --initial=dual-head and then you force some screen resolutions with either mode2 or pairmode... and done...
[10:22] <jxander> i basically get 2 desktops... move mouse from one to the other to switch and the funky part is that xfce doesn't mess panels from different screens up...
[10:23] <jarnos> jxander: Same thing here about gksu --su-mode thunar
[10:23] <jxander> ?
[10:24] <jarnos> jxander: won't recognize my password
[10:24] <jxander> oh...
[10:24] <jxander> i really don't get that... why? it's the same...
[10:25] <jxander> maybe you need a root account... who knows... i miss the days when we used to login as root... i remember su
[10:27] <jarnos> jxander: "su -c thunar" succeeds no better.
[10:28] <jarnos> jxander: but "su -c thunar username" does succeed better.
[10:28] <R1cochet> i edited the fstab file but when i go into /media the names are the same
[10:28] <jxander> mount -a
[10:28] <jxander> or something like that
[10:29] <R1cochet> what if i just reboot?
[10:29] <jxander> or that
[10:29] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ cool
[10:29] <R1cochet> that will be easier for me
[10:29] <R1cochet> well would a log out work the same?
[10:32] <R1cochet> ße Right ßack
[10:38] <jxander> R1cochet: good luck
[10:38] <jxander> jarnos: any ideas on how to control songbird from multimedia keys?
[10:39] <jarnos> jxander: I think Launcher item for Xfce panel could be programmed to accept .desktop file.
[10:40] <jarnos> jxander: sorry, not familiar with neither songbird nor multimedia keys.
[10:46] <jxander> np... i'll forgive you :))
[10:50] <jarnos> jxander: some advantage over Listen?
[10:51] <jxander> getsongbird.com
[10:53] <jxander> songbird is iTunes like... i just like the interface and some of the functionalities...
[11:04] <gnomefreak> is it me or is it not possible to add an app to panel using drag/drop or right clicking (right click starts app
[11:04] <gnomefreak> )*
[11:04] <jxander> yeah
[11:04] <jxander> gnomefreak: i can't figure that out either
[11:05] <ablomen> its not you
[11:05] <gnomefreak> im working on it. gconf should allow me to do it
[11:05] <jxander> gnomefreak:  if you find a way, please tell me too
[11:05] <ablomen> gnomefreak, xfce doesnt use gconf
[11:09] <ablomen> but right clicking does work btw, just right-click on the panel => add new item => Launcher
[11:09] <gnomefreak> ablomen: yeah if you use command to launch it
[11:10] <atari> is it a known problem that scrolling with the middle mouse key doesnt work?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> should be an easier way for users new to xfce
[11:10] <ablomen> yeah i agree
[11:11] <ablomen> well all the launchers are located in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-*.rc and theyr placement on the panel is in the same dir but then panels.xml
[11:11] <ablomen> so writing a script is possible
[11:34] <gnomefreak> its easier to use custom and use command to run it unless you are using firefox-3.1
[13:27] <jxander> is there a way to make gnome-do work on two monitors at the same time on a dual-head configuration in xfce?
[13:34] <generalsnus> I have 2 computers, 1 with xubuntu and 1 with ubuntu.. i authenticate users against ldap..  i have a NFS server where i have my /home   wich is mounted in fstab.  when i log on to ubuntu i get my home mounted as /home/remote/username, works great.   but if i log on the xubuntu comp, i get /home/remote/USERNAME   not the same /home folder at all.. whats wrong?
[13:36] <generalsnus> vice versa if the /home is created in xubuntu  at first login
[13:51] <Kred> Hi folks! I'd like to listen to mp3 with the Listen-player, but it seems to freeze if I try that with Shoutcast stream for example. I couldn't find any help for this small problem from the Internets
[13:51] <Kred> So does someone happen to know how I can get to play mp3 with Listen? :)
[14:20] <Kred> It's a bit misleading when Listen's homepage says it supports mp3 and yet it does not, but that's not a Xubuntu problem :) Anyhow, I wonder if it needs a python library for decoding mp3?
[14:21] <juanantonio> Hello. I want to install xubuntu 8.10 into a PC that has a dual boot system, XP and SuSE 10, may I overwrite Suse and install Xubuntu in this partition?
[15:08] <sinbox> question: if I uninstall the xubuntu-desktop and gdm is that gonna leave me with a CLI system or an unusable one?
[15:08] <ablomen> cli
[15:09] <sinbox> hanks ablomen, can I just install fluxbox on top of this after or would I need gdm to launch that?
[15:09] <sinbox> thanks*
[15:10] <ablomen> well you can start fluxbox and Xorg by hand, but something like [g/x/k]dm is easyer
[15:13] <sinbox> I guess so, I have a not so high powered machine I want to use to stream audio so I want to cut as much unneeded stuff as possible, all I need running on it will be an IRC client the streaming program and possibly a browser and filezilla or another ftp; it is to be used by computer "tourists" so I guess I'd need to write some sort of startup script so that they only need to login
[15:13]  * sinbox thinks he is not about to get this ready and finished
[15:13] <ablomen> well xdm is verry basic, doesnt depend on gtk/qt etc
[15:14] <ablomen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XDM
[15:14] <sinbox> thanks again ablomen , I'll look that up in a bit
[15:15] <ablomen> np, good luck
[15:23] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[15:23] <doktoreas> I am trying to install xubuntu on old AMD 1200 machine..but it stops during resizing of partition. Can this be caused by using i386 livecd?
[15:31] <cody-somerville> no
[15:34] <doktoreas> cody-somerville, hi.. have you got any suggestion?
[15:37] <cody-somerville> doktoreas, how much ram you got?
[15:37] <doktoreas> 1 gb
[15:37] <doktoreas> I am using alt livecd
[15:40] <sinbox> is this the latest ubuntu 8.10 doktoreas ?
[15:41] <doktoreas> yes
[16:31] <sin> Hello there, I have a problem with Xubuntu. When I try to log in, the computer locks up. It displays the background picture and the mouse pointer, but nothing else.
[16:35] <TheSheep> sin: can you log in in text mode?
[16:36] <TheSheep> sin: press alt+ctrl+f1 to switch to text console, alt+ctrl+f7 to switch back
[16:37] <sin> Yes, and now I can move the mouse cursos
[16:37] <sin> cursor *
[16:37] <sin> Still no icons or panel, though.
[16:43] <sin> All my panels and menus have disappeared
[16:55] <drewzf> Hello all
[16:55] <drewzf> The Xubuntu project is coming along amazingly
[16:56] <drewzf> I just installed again after a long absence from the Linux scene, and I have to say that the OS seems much cleaner and more sturdy since a year or so ago.
[17:08] <Dillizar> where can i see if there are some updates ??
[17:17] <neozen> hi all ... just noticed a problem w/ intrepid
[17:18] <neozen> have a usb2serial adapter that I remember working just fine in hardy... doesn't work in intrepid...
[17:18] <neozen> I think the driver began w/ pl
[17:18] <neozen> might've been pl2303
[17:19] <neozen> doesn't work now though
[17:34] <anubis> What would cause this error in the shell while trying to install an ATI Proprietary driver ?  X Server: unable to detect ...
[17:49] <demon_> i have installed compiz now my windows are red!! how can i change the color
[18:03] <magic_ninja> TheSheep, you there
[18:23] <Odd-rationale> demon_: you need to change the emerald themes
[18:24] <Almindor> hello
[18:24] <Almindor> how does one turn on subpixel hinting?
[18:27] <ball> Is that the same thing as antialiased fonts?
[18:29] <Almindor> two things I believe
[18:29] <ball> I dunno then.
[18:30] <Almindor> brb
[18:31] <Almindor> in normal ubuntu, you can choose the level of subpixel hinting (used for LCDs) (I think antialiasing is another way to get nicer fonts)
[18:32] <Almindor> oh and another thing
[18:32] <Almindor> how do I set the keyboard layout shortcut key?
[18:33] <Almindor> aha I found the hinting
[18:41] <Coldhak> I had a usb headset that worked fine, but it broke, so i got a new one. this one doesn't work, and i'm not sure how i fixed the first one
[18:42] <Coldhak> i'm not getting any sound or anything fromt he headset
[18:42] <Coldhak> it all just plays out of the speakers
[18:45] <ball> Coldhak: mixer settings?
[18:46] <Coldhak> i can manually configure some programs(like skype) to use the headset, i don't think it's the mixer settings
[18:46] <Coldhak> i'll check though
[18:47] <ball> I don't know yet whether Xubuntu has some equivalent of the patchbay
[18:48] <Coldhak> alsamixer shows settings for the headset
[18:49] <ball> There you go then.
[18:49] <Coldhak> "there you go then"?
[18:49] <Coldhak> they're at max volume. they have been.
[18:49]  * ball nods
[18:50] <Coldhak> programs aren't sending audio to the headset
[18:50] <Almindor> what's the command for the keyboard layout switch then?
[18:50] <Coldhak> i can hear feedback from the mic though
[18:50] <ball> Coldhak: you might want to decrease the mic volume then
[18:51] <Coldhak> i'm saying the speakers in the headset aren't broken.
[18:55] <ball> What would the speakers in the headset have to do with feedback between the desktop speakers and your mic?
[18:55] <Coldhak> that's not the problem.
[18:55] <Coldhak> at all :(
[18:55] <ball> what's not the problem?
[18:56] <Coldhak> forget all that crap about feedback. That isn't a problem.
[18:56] <Coldhak> the problem is that programs don't send audio to my headset.
[19:00] <ball> I know, you said that.
[19:02] <ball> I don't know whether Xubuntu has a software mixer, but it may just be a question of running your application with a command line option specifying your headset rather than the sound card.
[19:02] <ball> What program do you want to use the headset?
[19:02] <ball> (oh, bear in mind that a USB headset probably appears to Linux as a second sound card)
[19:04] <demon_> how can i install the new icons?
[19:04] <Coldhak> it does appear as a second sound card
[19:04] <Coldhak> what program? everything.
[19:04] <ball> Well there you go then.
[19:04] <ball> You need to tell all your programs to use the second sound card.
[19:04] <Coldhak> "well there you go then" doesn't fix the problem.
[19:05] <Coldhak> ok wise guy, how pray tell do I tell firefox to use a different soundcard?
[19:05] <ball> I'm not sure.  Let me check with SeaMonkey
[19:05] <Coldhak> and i've got to do that for the three dosen or so programs i use?
[19:05] <Coldhak> are you serious?
[19:06] <demon_> how can i install new icons?
[19:06] <Coldhak> then i'd have to manually change it back when i disconnect my headset, or they won't work.
[19:07] <ball> Coldhak: I'm not all that familiar with Xubuntu.  If it has a software mixer or patchbay, you may not need to do all that.
[19:07] <ball> demon_: I'm not sure, but I /think/ I saw something about new icons in the package manager.
[19:07] <Coldhak> the software mixer doesn't fix anything.
[19:07] <ball> Coldhak: sounds as though you need a patchbay then.
[19:09] <Coldhak> uh....no
[19:09] <ball> okay.
[19:09] <ball> (I'm talking about a software patchbay btw)
[19:10] <Coldhak> alright, what does this patchbay do?
[19:10] <Mopman> Coldhak, couldnt you just set the headset as the default alsa soundcard, then unplug it when you dont want to use it
[19:10] <ball> Coldhak: theoretically, lets you take output destined for one device (your on-board sound card) and direct it somewhere else (your headset)
[19:10] <Mopman> thats the simplest solution unless you need to use both simultaneously
[19:11] <Coldhak> Mopman, that's the first thing I thought of, but for some reason it's not working
[19:11] <Mopman> odd
[19:11] <Coldhak> I have no idea why
[19:11] <Mopman> thats what i do on my laptop
[19:11] <Coldhak> maybe i messed with a config file a while back to cause that to malfunction?
[19:11] <Mopman> i remember on one of my machines that didnt work for some reason, and i found some scripts somebody wrote to switch it when it was plugged in, but unfortunately i dont know where i found them :(
[19:12] <Mopman> it would have been a google job though
[19:22]  * ball has yet to try a USB sound card, though there's a USB mic on my Christmas wish list
[19:22] <ball> ...hope that works with Ubuntu
[19:32] <anubis> Could someone help with installing an ATI driver?
[19:38] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: yes?
[19:39] <NotADJ> Where are kernel modules stored?
[19:40]  * ball bites his tongue
[19:41] <TheSheep> NotADJ: in /lib/modules
[19:42] <TheSheep> anubis: have you read the instructions on the wiki?
[19:42] <TheSheep> !ati | anubis
[19:45] <NotADJ> Ndiswrapper is a bitvh
[19:46] <NotADJ> s/v/c
[19:46] <NotADJ> It won;t compile right...
[19:47] <dcolish> NotADJ: why are you compiling it?
[19:49] <TheSheep> NotADJ: you are doing it wrong :)
[19:49] <ball> ndiswrapper is a losing proposition in the long run
[19:49] <anubis> Yes, TheSheep I have
[19:51] <anubis> This is the error I get when installing the ATI driver.
[19:51] <anubis> Detected configuration:
[19:51] <anubis> Architecture: i686 (32-bit)
[19:51] <anubis> X Server: unable to detect
[19:55] <TheSheep> anubis: install xorg-dev
[19:56] <anubis> Ok...
[19:57] <anubis> Do you know why I am getting this error?
[19:58] <anubis> after installing xorg-dev will it let me install the ATI Driver?
[20:04] <anubis> Ok, I installed xorg-dev.  That installed EnvyNG
[20:05] <anubis> Right?
[20:05] <NotADJ> dcolish: I has no acces to get the .deb...
[20:05] <NotADJ> (or use apt)
[20:05] <NotADJ> TheSheep: ^
[20:06] <dcolish> NotADJ: hmm, can you plugin somewhere? if not pastebin the errors
[20:07] <NotADJ> dcolish: How can I pastebin :P
[20:07] <anubis> Damn, this is frustrating.
[20:08] <dcolish> !pastebin
[20:08] <dcolish> NotADJ: how are you online now?
[20:08] <NotADJ> dcolish: Different computer
[20:09] <NotADJ> The errors are too long,
[20:09] <NotADJ> Invalid Pointer.
[20:09] <NotADJ> Invalid Arguments
[20:09] <NotADJ> 9_(
[20:09] <NotADJ> 9_9*
[20:09] <dcolish> stop flooding
[20:09] <dcolish> Do you have an ethernet cable and a router, or just one crossover cable
[20:09] <NotADJ> dcolish: My Laptop is wifi.
[20:10] <dcolish> It has no ethernet ports?
[20:10] <ball> (invisible cable)
[20:10] <NotADJ> ???
[20:10] <anubis> Ok, here's another stupid question... How do I install an RPM file?
[20:11] <dcolish> !alien
[20:11] <anubis> I see.
[20:11]  * ball happily watches rtorrent service up xubuntu to people
[20:11] <dcolish> NotADJ: can you plug an ethernet cable into your laptop? does it have a port for it?
[20:11] <anubis> Some of these ATI programs came as RPMs
[20:11] <NotADJ> dcolish: And crossover, interestging idea...
[20:12] <anubis> I am so frustrated with this freakin
[20:12] <dcolish> NotADJ: then you can proxy or just scp the deb over
[20:12] <ball> NotADJ: cheap two-port hub that ;-)
[20:12] <anubis>  ATI driver
[20:13] <NotADJ> dcolish: The deb was installed before, but the kernel module wasn't there...
[20:13] <anubis> I have the ATI Catalyst Control Center Installed, and EnvyNG
[20:13] <anubis> The ATI Catalyst control center tells me there's no driver installed.
[20:14] <anubis> This is just amazingly frustrating.  All I get are sarcastic answers.
[20:14] <Ahmuck> anubis: sorry.  that's a bit the way freenode is sadly
[20:14] <anubis> No kidding
[20:15] <ball> You're trying to install a closed ATI binary driver?
[20:15] <anubis> I would love to just have someone answer some "NOOB" questions.  No wonder Linux isn't mainstream.
[20:15] <dcolish> NotADJ: you realize that ndiswrapper creates the kernmod for your wifi. it is not a mod in itself
[20:15] <ball> I answer noob questions when I can
[20:15] <ball> ...often I can't though because I'm new to Ubuntu myself
[20:16] <NotADJ> dcolish: modprobe ndiswrapper....
[20:16] <anubis> Ball, I'm just trying to install the right driver for my ATI card which I got from ATI.
[20:16] <NotADJ> But there is no such thing.
[20:16] <ball> What kind of card is it?
[20:17] <dcolish> NotADJ: thats going to load the wrapped driver
[20:17] <NotADJ> ?
[20:17] <NotADJ> It is missing.
[20:17] <dcolish> NotADJ: did you run ndiswrapper -l?
[20:17] <NotADJ> I did.
[20:17] <ball> anubis: which model of ATI card?
[20:18] <dcolish> and depmod -a, etc... i'm just reading the instuctions on the wiki
[20:18] <NotADJ> dcolish: Yes, all of that
[20:18] <dcolish> did you get any error messages from dmesg?
[20:18] <NotADJ> Umm
[20:18] <NotADJ> I don't know.
[20:19] <dcolish> look in /var/log/messages , if a kernel module fails to load its logged
[20:19] <NotADJ> dcolish: Sure, one minute
[20:19] <NotADJ> This computer is as slow as hell.
[20:19] <anubis> /msg ball
[20:19] <anubis> Architecture: i686 (32-bit)
[20:19] <anubis> X Server: unable to detect
[20:20] <NotADJ> Epic Fail!
[20:20]  * ball grins
[20:20] <dcolish> type dmesg
[20:20] <NotADJ> Oh my god!
[20:20] <ball> Radeon 9200 may have an open source driver
[20:20] <ball> ..if so, that's the one I'd use.
[20:20] <NotADJ> My favorite diner is on fire!
[20:21] <ball> NotADJ: Quick!  Rescue the muffins!
[20:22] <ball> Hang on, let me check the X.org Website
[20:22]  * NotADJ isn't joking
[20:23] <NotADJ> :O
[20:23] <ball> NotADJ: that sucks.
[20:23] <NotADJ> :P
[20:27] <ball> anubis: Okay, I'm told that Radeon 9200 has been supported "for years" by open source drivers, so it is a mistake to install software from ATI.
[20:28] <ball> brb
[20:29] <rshakin> hey, how would i get a russian fonetic keyboard layout installed
[20:30] <anubis> Does anyone use the ATI Catalyst Control Center?
[20:30] <ball> Is that software from ATI?
[20:32] <ball> I wouldn't use it then.
[20:35] <ball> anubis: important related discussion going on in #radeon
[20:36] <ball> anubis: uninstall the ATI software, configure the X.org Radeon driver and you should be good to go.
[20:36] <ball> You're trying to run old, broken software from the sound of things
[20:39] <NotADJ> dcolish: I installed from apt, the driver is there, but no luck.
[20:45] <ball> rshakin: KOI-8?
[21:12] <Demios> i cant sem to find a clear guide on how to use visudo
[21:12] <Demios> i'm in it right now and i just want to add "username" ALL=(ALL) ALL
[21:12] <Demios> and save
[21:13] <Demios> and i cant seem to figure it out
[21:21] <zoredache> Demios: by default anyone in the group %admin has that right.  Why not just do an adduser username admin
[21:29] <dcolish> Demios: what about man visudo?
[21:48] <noaXess> hey ..
[21:48] <noaXess> i use kubuntu.. in the moment.. but what check out xubuntu..
[21:49] <noaXess> i'm installing xubuntu-desktop.. and now the question kdm or gdm.. what is better fpr xfce?
[21:49] <noaXess> for ^
[21:50] <Myrtti> your pick
[21:50] <Myrtti> xfce doesn't care
[21:50] <Myrtti> shouldn't atleast
[21:50] <ball> What to they offer over xdm?
[21:50] <noaXess> Myrtti: what woul you preffer?
[21:50] <ball> (is xdm the generic equiv?)
[21:50] <noaXess> kdm/gdm i canchoose
[21:51] <noaXess> if i choose now gdm.. i know i canswitch back to kdm.. whats the command?
[21:51] <noaXess> sudo dpkg reconigure ???
[21:52] <noaXess> reconfigure ^
[21:54] <noaXess> found it
[21:54] <noaXess> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[22:02] <Demios> zoredache: thanks
[22:06] <demon_> what kernel does Xubuntu use .27??
[22:07] <knome> demon_, 'uname -a' in terminal
[22:08] <demon_> no not me :) the 8.10
[22:08] <knome> 2.6.27-8 says my 8.10.
[22:09] <demon_> aham
[22:09] <demon_> k so every ubuntu has the same krenel
[22:09] <knome> yes
[22:09] <demon_> the bugest
[22:10] <knome> you can always select older from the boot menu...
[22:10] <knome> or compile your own
[22:10] <demon_> i can choose with which kernel i want ti boot it?
[22:11] <knome> in the grub menu yes, if you have older kernels installed
[22:11] <demon_> no
[22:11] <demon_> :)
[22:11] <NotADJ> Awww
[22:11] <demon_> how can i install them
[22:11] <demon_> :)
[22:11] <knome> demon_, i'm not sure if old kernels turn up in synaptic.
[22:11] <demon_> i have older ubuntus here
[22:11] <demon_> lol
[22:12] <demon_> i dont think too
[22:12] <demon_> :D
[22:12] <zoredache> use your favorite package managment tool to see if there is a kernel package that you want.  If there isn't, then you can build one using make-kpkg
[22:13] <zoredache> you may be able to use prevu to port older or newer kernel packages.
[22:24] <Ahmuck> i need to find out what partition my home partition is on, but have forgotten how
[22:24] <zoredache> type mount
[22:24] <knome> mount
[22:24] <knome> ;)
[22:25] <Ahmuck> thx
[22:25] <Demios> is there an admin group that is not root?
[22:25] <Demios> if so what is it called?
[22:26] <zoredache> there are lots of groups... What privileges are you expecting this non-root admin group to have?
[22:28] <Demios> was just reading <zoredache> Demios: by default anyone in the group %admin has that right.  Why not just do an adduser username admin
[22:29] <zoredache> by default only the group admin allows you to use sudo to gain root privileges.  There are several other groups that give you privileges.  For example if fuse is installed and you are a member of the fuse group you can mount fuse-based filesystems
[22:30] <zoredache> to see a list of all the groups you can look in /etc/group
[22:30] <zoredache> you could also create groups and then edit your /etc/sudoers, and filesystem permissions to grant access to a limited set of commands
[22:31] <zoredache> you have to becareful about doing that, it is easy to unintentally allow more privileges then what you meant to
[22:31] <GreedyB> How do I enable auto refreshing of my desktop when things are changed?? Don't I need to add HAL or GAMIN or something to daemons?
[22:31] <Demios> kk so i mid as well just add the user to sudo then right?
[22:31] <Demios> which was what i was going to do originally
[22:32] <Demios> mid=might
[22:32] <zoredache> Demios: it depends on your requirements...  If this is just a single user desktop system you probably don't need to setup anything fancy
[22:32] <Demios> yeah single user laptop
[22:33] <GreedyB> How do I enable auto refreshing of my desktop when things are changed?? Don't I need to add HAL or GAMIN or something to daemons?
[22:43] <TheSheep> GreedyB: it should work out of the box