| onats | hi, in order for me to install edubuntu, should i have 8.10 desktop edition udner it? | 01:06 |
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| Ahmuck | in testing it appears that tilt/pressure are not available on the cleint | 04:47 |
| Ahmuck | but the wacom bamboo does work on a thin client, but a fat client would be the preferred way | 04:48 |
| Ahmuck | i bought to large of a pad :( | 04:49 |
| Ahmuck | nn | 04:49 |
| HedgeMage | ludo: Did you choose your nick from the Latin, or from the Labyrinth character? | 06:07 |
| generalsnus | i have 2 xubuntu boxeswich authenticate users against ldap/ad. And 1 box with a NFS share: the directory "homeshare" is exported... and the 2 xubuntu's have the NFS share mounted with fstab: 10.10.10.10:/homeshare /home/homeshare nfs...etc etc works great, however when i login with a freshly created user for xubuntu box 1. the home folder /home/homeshare/username is made. but if o log on from the other xu | 12:07 |
| generalsnus | I have my /home folder on a nfs share.. and i have 2 xubuntu boxes .. the users have same uid etc.. but when i login form the 2 computers, the one cretaes a home folder like /home/USERNAME and the other makes /home /username 1 uses capital letters and the other dont... how can i make both computers use the same /home/username folder? | 12:47 |
| generalsnus | what config file decide how and where a /home folder is created? | 13:20 |
| generalsnus | .. i have one xubuntu computer that creates all users /home in capitals: /home/USERNAME .. and another identical xubuntu computer that makes the home in small letters /home/username .... how can i make it so both creates /home dirs in small letters?? | 13:39 |
| trailbrain | Is there a version that works with xubuntu 8.04? | 17:11 |
| trailbrain | Wow, everyone must be eating turkey | 17:14 |
| LaserJock | trailbrain: probably that or asleep | 17:45 |
| LaserJock | trailbrain: still around? | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | trailbrain: to answer your question, we don't specifically have a version for Xubuntu | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | trailbrain: but depending on what you're wanting to do you can usually work around that | 18:09 |
| ball | Can Edubuntu be added to Ubuntu Server as a package? | 22:30 |
| LaserJock | ball: as in, you have an Ubuntu Server install and you want to add Edubuntu onto it? | 22:32 |
| LaserJock | you can install the edubuntu-desktop package to install the educational apps, but that is going to require a lot of extra packages for plain Ubuntu Server install | 22:33 |
| nubae | specially if it is without X | 22:35 |
| LaserJock | well, X is the light part even :-) | 22:36 |
| LaserJock | all the Gnome libraries and ubuntu-desktop are gonna take a lot | 22:36 |
| nubae | right :-) | 22:36 |
| nubae | how u doing, LaserJock, its been pretty quiet edubuntuwise... | 22:37 |
| ball | LaserJock: that's what I'm thinking of. | 22:37 |
| LaserJock | nubae: yeah, I've had some family issues come up | 22:37 |
| nubae | oh, hope everything is ok... | 22:38 |
| LaserJock | ball: well, I wouldn't particularly recommend basing off of Ubuntu Server for Edubuntu or LTSP | 22:38 |
| ball | ok. | 22:38 |
| LaserJock | ball: you can do it put you're going to have to download something like 500MB of packages | 22:39 |
| LaserJock | and set some stuff up yourself that would automated in a normal install | 22:39 |
| LaserJock | in the case of LTSP | 22:39 |
| nubae | ball: what do u need server for anyway? | 22:39 |
| ball | Okay, I'll look at the separate CD then. | 22:39 |
| LaserJock | ball: what are you trying to create? we could recommend a good method for doing it | 22:40 |
| ball | brb, kid's crying | 22:40 |
| ball | Okay, there we are. | 22:55 |
| ball | I have a couple of sites where I might be able to use Edubuntu, depending on the installed (or available) apps. | 22:55 |
| nubae | just edubuntu or LTSP too? | 22:56 |
| LaserJock | what kind of sites and what kind of apps are you looking for? | 22:56 |
| LaserJock | nubae: did you see my start of a strategy doc? | 22:57 |
| nubae | no... link? | 22:57 |
| nubae | I have some time this weekend, I wanted to work on the edubuntu site a bit... get rid of the convoluted language | 22:58 |
| LaserJock | nubae: it's unfinshed and rough: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/StrategyDocument | 23:00 |
| nubae | sounds good... so we are calling edubuntu an OS then? rather than an add-on? | 23:02 |
| nubae | just objective 1 that confused me a bit, otherwise sounds great... | 23:04 |
| LaserJock | well | 23:06 |
| LaserJock | I think "OS" is sort of loose | 23:06 |
| LaserJock | it's hard to define what Edubuntu is exactly | 23:07 |
| LaserJock | it's mostly a project centered around education | 23:07 |
| nubae | project or community? | 23:07 |
| LaserJock | "project" | 23:08 |
| ball | nubae: probably both | 23:08 |
| ball | ...though I thought Edubuntu included ltsp by default. | 23:08 |
| nubae | ball: then start by installing alternate cd | 23:08 |
| nubae | and hitting F4 on startup | 23:09 |
| LaserJock | ball: it's been "reconfigured" :-) | 23:09 |
| nubae | LaserJock: ^^ a pefect example of the confusion... | 23:09 |
| nubae | If we think of edubuntu as a distro or OS, we have the problem that people think it includes LTSP | 23:10 |
| ball | nubae: thanks. | 23:10 |
| LaserJock | nubae: but an "addon" isn't very well defined | 23:10 |
| LaserJock | it's an OS that is not self-contained | 23:11 |
| nubae | you're right... how else could add-on be defined? | 23:11 |
| nubae | Whatever the definition, it should be easy for the layperson to understand | 23:12 |
| nubae | how about 'the educational packages' | 23:12 |
| LaserJock | no matter how you look at it, it's sort of lacking | 23:14 |
| LaserJock | we don't just "maintain educational packages" | 23:14 |
| LaserJock | and we don't maintain nearly all of them, only a portion | 23:14 |
| LaserJock | "a project to bring the best of the open-source software world to educational environments" is about as close as I can get | 23:15 |
| LaserJock | and one of the primary ways we do that is via a CD | 23:16 |
| nubae | how about a project and community | 23:16 |
| ball | Thanks. I have to go | 23:17 |
| nubae | especially if we include sugar into this | 23:17 |
| LaserJock | well, I consider community to be a part of "project" but yeah | 23:17 |
| LaserJock | to me a project is: people, products, purpose, and communication | 23:18 |
| nubae | I just think, saying its an operating system might confuse people | 23:18 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that is a good point | 23:18 |
| LaserJock | but well, it is an OS, just not in-and-of itself | 23:18 |
| nubae | yeah but try explaining that to someone | 23:19 |
| LaserJock | "educational addon layer" | 23:19 |
| nubae | its on OS, but not really, but contains an OS, sugar, but is really a project about education... | 23:19 |
| nubae | :-) | 23:19 |
| LaserJock | well, I consider Ubuntu to be the OS | 23:20 |
| nubae | right | 23:20 |
| LaserJock | and we "transform" Ubuntu into Edubuntu | 23:20 |
| LaserJock | so I still think of it as an OS | 23:20 |
| LaserJock | but you're right that it's more a project than an OS | 23:20 |
| LaserJock | but of course the same can be said of Ubuntu | 23:20 |
| LaserJock | it's all very confusing really :-) | 23:21 |
| nubae | the problem becomes even bigger with sugar | 23:21 |
| nubae | sugar on top of edubuntu on top of ubuntu... | 23:21 |
| LaserJock | I haven't really considered Sugar in all of it, I just see it as another App or Desktop Environment | 23:21 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 23:21 |
| LaserJock | bottom line though, Edubuntu is an educational project | 23:22 |
| nubae | its definetly not an app, as it contains many apps... desktop environment sounds better | 23:22 |
| nubae | yeah, that sounds ok.... | 23:22 |
| LaserJock | how that's been manifested has changed through time | 23:22 |
| LaserJock | 1 install CD -> 2 CDs -> addon Cd | 23:22 |
| nubae | heard anything from RichEd lately? | 23:23 |
| LaserJock | but we're still basically the same thing, delivery has changed | 23:23 |
| LaserJock | no, I need to email him about several things | 23:23 |
| LaserJock | I don't see him on the list of attendees to UDS either | 23:24 |
| nubae | so u think I'm ok, to take out the convoluted language out of the edubuntu pages without telling him first? | 23:24 |
| LaserJock | on which page? | 23:25 |
| LaserJock | or everywhere? | 23:25 |
| nubae | everywhere | 23:25 |
| nubae | I have an educational presentation to the general public next Saturday, and I'd like to talk about edubuntu too, but not if its in the current state... | 23:26 |
| LaserJock | well, you can talk about it | 23:26 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 23:26 |
| LaserJock | it's actually a fine difference we're looking at | 23:27 |
| LaserJock | if you just talk about Edubuntu you should be fine | 23:27 |
| LaserJock | it hasn't changed much | 23:27 |
| LaserJock | it's the Ubuntu in Education thing that'll get people, so if you sort of steer around that I'd think you'd be OK | 23:27 |
| nubae | yes, but the minute they visit the page... | 23:28 |
| nubae | I want to take out ubuntu in education completely (for now) | 23:28 |
| nubae | we'll be talking mostly about ltsp and sugar, but I think edubuntu is a big part of linux in education, and would like it to feel that way to the audience (teachers, education decision makers) | 23:29 |
| nubae | I won't change anything on the site unless you tell me its ok to do so though... | 23:30 |
| LaserJock | well, I think that you should talk Edubuntu | 23:30 |
| LaserJock | because it's largely the project where this stuff happens | 23:30 |
| LaserJock | but I don't see a lot of confusion on edubuntu.org | 23:31 |
| LaserJock | there is some, but it's mostly good I think | 23:31 |
| LaserJock | you can probably sort of "warn" people that it can be a bit confusing, but telling them what Ubuntu in Education is should help | 23:32 |
| nubae | I'd rather not mention that, as it doesn't seem well defined at all | 23:32 |
| nubae | I want to mention ubuntu, edubuntu, ltsp and sugar, and keep it real simple | 23:32 |
| nubae | also the people to contact page is totally out of date... it doesn't even mention you or riched | 23:33 |
| LaserJock | fine, send them to the mailing list | 23:34 |
| LaserJock | I gotta run, Thanksgiving dinner time | 23:34 |
| nubae | ok, enjoy... | 23:34 |
| LaserJock | I think you could make some changes | 23:34 |
| LaserJock | take the most glaring and confusing parts, make them better | 23:35 |
| LaserJock | I'll have a look at the site when I get home tonight | 23:35 |
| nubae | ok... | 23:35 |
| LaserJock | RichEd is not really interested in edubuntu.org I don't think | 23:35 |
| LaserJock | he's more interested in ubuntu.com/education | 23:36 |
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