[01:06] <onats> hi, in order for me to install edubuntu, should i have 8.10 desktop edition udner it?
[04:47] <Ahmuck> in testing it appears that tilt/pressure are not available on the cleint
[04:48] <Ahmuck> but the wacom bamboo does work on a thin client, but a fat client would be the preferred way
[04:49] <Ahmuck> i bought to large of a pad :(
[04:49] <Ahmuck> nn
[06:07] <HedgeMage> ludo: Did you choose your nick from the Latin, or from the Labyrinth character?
[12:07] <generalsnus> i have 2 xubuntu boxeswich authenticate users against ldap/ad.   And 1 box with a NFS share: the directory "homeshare" is exported...   and the 2 xubuntu's have the NFS share mounted with fstab: 10.10.10.10:/homeshare  /home/homeshare nfs...etc etc     works great, however when i login with a freshly created user for xubuntu box 1.  the home folder /home/homeshare/username  is made.  but if o log on from the other xu
[12:47] <generalsnus> I have my /home folder on a nfs share..  and i have 2 xubuntu boxes .. the users have same uid etc..  but when i login  form the 2 computers, the one cretaes a home folder like /home/USERNAME  and the other makes /home /username   1 uses capital letters and the other dont...  how can i make both computers use the same /home/username folder?
[13:20] <generalsnus> what config file decide how and where a /home folder is created?
[13:39] <generalsnus> .. i have one xubuntu computer that creates all users /home in capitals: /home/USERNAME .. and another identical xubuntu computer that makes the home in small letters /home/username .... how can i make it so both creates /home dirs in small letters??
[17:11] <trailbrain> Is there a version that works with xubuntu 8.04?
[17:14] <trailbrain> Wow, everyone must be eating turkey
[17:45] <LaserJock> trailbrain: probably that or asleep
[18:09] <LaserJock> trailbrain: still around?
[18:09] <LaserJock> trailbrain: to answer your question, we don't specifically have a version for Xubuntu
[18:09] <LaserJock> trailbrain: but depending on what you're wanting to do you can usually work around that
[22:30] <ball> Can Edubuntu be added to Ubuntu Server as a package?
[22:32] <LaserJock> ball: as in, you have an Ubuntu Server install and you want to add Edubuntu onto it?
[22:33] <LaserJock> you can install the edubuntu-desktop package to install the educational apps, but that is going to require a lot of extra packages for plain Ubuntu Server install
[22:35] <nubae> specially if it is without X
[22:36] <LaserJock> well, X is the light part even :-)
[22:36] <LaserJock> all the Gnome libraries and ubuntu-desktop are gonna take a lot
[22:36] <nubae> right :-)
[22:37] <nubae> how u doing, LaserJock, its been pretty quiet edubuntuwise...
[22:37] <ball> LaserJock: that's what I'm thinking of.
[22:37] <LaserJock> nubae:  yeah, I've had some family issues come up
[22:38] <nubae> oh, hope everything is ok...
[22:38] <LaserJock> ball: well, I wouldn't particularly recommend basing off of Ubuntu Server for Edubuntu or LTSP
[22:38] <ball> ok.
[22:39] <LaserJock> ball: you can do it put you're going to have to download something like 500MB of packages
[22:39] <LaserJock> and set some stuff up yourself that would automated in a normal install
[22:39] <LaserJock> in the case of LTSP
[22:39] <nubae> ball: what do u need server for anyway?
[22:39] <ball> Okay, I'll look at the separate CD then.
[22:40] <LaserJock> ball: what are you trying to create? we could recommend a good method for doing it
[22:40] <ball> brb, kid's crying
[22:55] <ball> Okay, there we are.
[22:55] <ball> I have a couple of sites where I might be able to use Edubuntu, depending on the installed (or available) apps.
[22:56] <nubae> just edubuntu or LTSP too?
[22:56] <LaserJock> what kind of sites and what kind of apps are you looking for?
[22:57] <LaserJock> nubae: did you see my start of a strategy doc?
[22:57] <nubae> no... link?
[22:58] <nubae> I have some time this weekend, I wanted to work on the edubuntu site a bit... get rid of the convoluted language
[23:00] <LaserJock> nubae: it's unfinshed and rough: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/StrategyDocument
[23:02] <nubae> sounds good... so we are calling edubuntu an OS then? rather than an add-on?
[23:04] <nubae> just objective 1 that confused me a bit, otherwise sounds great...
[23:06] <LaserJock> well
[23:06] <LaserJock> I think "OS" is sort of loose
[23:07] <LaserJock> it's hard to define what Edubuntu is exactly
[23:07] <LaserJock> it's mostly a project centered around education
[23:07] <nubae> project or community?
[23:08] <LaserJock> "project"
[23:08] <ball> nubae: probably both
[23:08] <ball> ...though I thought Edubuntu included ltsp by default.
[23:08] <nubae> ball: then start by installing alternate cd
[23:09] <nubae> and hitting F4 on startup
[23:09] <LaserJock> ball: it's been "reconfigured" :-)
[23:09] <nubae> LaserJock: ^^ a pefect example of the confusion...
[23:10] <nubae> If we think of edubuntu as a distro or OS, we have the problem that people think it includes LTSP
[23:10] <ball> nubae: thanks.
[23:10] <LaserJock> nubae: but an "addon" isn't very well defined
[23:11] <LaserJock> it's an OS that is not self-contained
[23:11] <nubae> you're right... how else could add-on be defined?
[23:12] <nubae> Whatever the definition, it should be easy for the layperson to understand
[23:12] <nubae> how about 'the educational packages'
[23:14] <LaserJock> no matter how you look at it, it's sort of lacking
[23:14] <LaserJock> we don't just "maintain educational packages"
[23:14] <LaserJock> and we don't maintain nearly all of them, only a portion
[23:15] <LaserJock> "a project to bring the best of the open-source software world to educational environments" is about as close as I can get
[23:16] <LaserJock> and one of the primary ways we do that is via a CD
[23:16] <nubae> how about a project and community
[23:17] <ball> Thanks.  I have to go
[23:17] <nubae> especially if we include sugar into this
[23:17] <LaserJock> well, I consider community to be a part of "project" but yeah
[23:18] <LaserJock> to me a project is: people, products, purpose, and communication
[23:18] <nubae> I just think, saying its an operating system might confuse people
[23:18] <LaserJock> yeah, that is a good point
[23:18] <LaserJock> but well, it is an OS, just not in-and-of itself
[23:19] <nubae> yeah but try explaining that to someone
[23:19] <LaserJock> "educational addon layer"
[23:19] <nubae> its on OS, but not really, but contains an OS, sugar, but is really a project about education...
[23:19] <nubae> :-)
[23:20] <LaserJock> well, I consider Ubuntu to be the OS
[23:20] <nubae> right
[23:20] <LaserJock> and we "transform" Ubuntu into Edubuntu
[23:20] <LaserJock> so I still think of it as an OS
[23:20] <LaserJock> but you're right that it's more a project than an OS
[23:20] <LaserJock> but of course the same can be said of Ubuntu
[23:21] <LaserJock> it's all very confusing really :-)
[23:21] <nubae> the problem becomes even bigger with sugar
[23:21] <nubae> sugar on top of edubuntu on top of ubuntu...
[23:21] <LaserJock> I haven't really considered Sugar in all of it, I just see it as another App or Desktop Environment
[23:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[23:22] <LaserJock> bottom line though, Edubuntu is an educational project
[23:22] <nubae> its definetly not an app, as it contains many apps... desktop environment sounds better
[23:22] <nubae> yeah, that sounds ok....
[23:22] <LaserJock> how that's been manifested has changed through time
[23:22] <LaserJock> 1 install CD -> 2 CDs -> addon Cd
[23:23] <nubae> heard anything from RichEd lately?
[23:23] <LaserJock> but we're still basically the same thing, delivery has changed
[23:23] <LaserJock> no, I need to email him about several things
[23:24] <LaserJock> I don't see him on the list of attendees to UDS either
[23:24] <nubae> so u think I'm ok, to take out the convoluted language out of the edubuntu pages without telling him first?
[23:25] <LaserJock> on which page?
[23:25] <LaserJock> or everywhere?
[23:25] <nubae> everywhere
[23:26] <nubae> I have an educational presentation to the general public next Saturday, and I'd like to talk about edubuntu too, but not if its in the current state...
[23:26] <LaserJock> well, you can talk about it
[23:26] <LaserJock> :-)
[23:27] <LaserJock> it's actually a fine difference we're looking at
[23:27] <LaserJock> if you just talk about Edubuntu you should be fine
[23:27] <LaserJock> it hasn't changed much
[23:27] <LaserJock> it's the Ubuntu in Education thing that'll get people, so if you sort of steer around that I'd think you'd be OK
[23:28] <nubae> yes, but the minute they visit the page...
[23:28] <nubae> I want to take out ubuntu in education completely (for now)
[23:29] <nubae> we'll be talking mostly about ltsp and sugar, but I think edubuntu is a big part of linux in education, and would like it to feel that way to the audience (teachers, education decision makers)
[23:30] <nubae> I won't change anything on the site unless you tell me its ok to do so though...
[23:30] <LaserJock> well, I think that you should talk Edubuntu
[23:30] <LaserJock> because it's largely the project where this stuff happens
[23:31] <LaserJock> but I don't see a lot of confusion on edubuntu.org
[23:31] <LaserJock> there is some, but it's mostly good I think
[23:32] <LaserJock> you can probably sort of "warn" people that it can be a bit confusing, but telling them what Ubuntu in Education is should help
[23:32] <nubae> I'd rather not mention that, as it doesn't seem well defined at all
[23:32] <nubae> I want to mention ubuntu, edubuntu, ltsp and sugar, and keep it real simple
[23:33] <nubae> also the people to contact page is totally out of date... it doesn't even mention you or riched
[23:34] <LaserJock> fine, send them to the mailing list
[23:34] <LaserJock> I gotta run, Thanksgiving dinner time
[23:34] <nubae> ok, enjoy...
[23:34] <LaserJock> I think you could make some changes
[23:35] <LaserJock> take the most glaring and confusing parts, make them better
[23:35] <LaserJock> I'll have a look at the site when I get home tonight
[23:35] <nubae> ok...
[23:35] <LaserJock> RichEd is not really interested in edubuntu.org I don't think
[23:36] <LaserJock> he's more interested in ubuntu.com/education