[01:06] hi, in order for me to install edubuntu, should i have 8.10 desktop edition udner it? [04:47] in testing it appears that tilt/pressure are not available on the cleint [04:48] but the wacom bamboo does work on a thin client, but a fat client would be the preferred way [04:49] i bought to large of a pad :( [04:49] nn [06:07] ludo: Did you choose your nick from the Latin, or from the Labyrinth character? [12:07] i have 2 xubuntu boxeswich authenticate users against ldap/ad. And 1 box with a NFS share: the directory "homeshare" is exported... and the 2 xubuntu's have the NFS share mounted with fstab: 10.10.10.10:/homeshare /home/homeshare nfs...etc etc works great, however when i login with a freshly created user for xubuntu box 1. the home folder /home/homeshare/username is made. but if o log on from the other xu [12:47] I have my /home folder on a nfs share.. and i have 2 xubuntu boxes .. the users have same uid etc.. but when i login form the 2 computers, the one cretaes a home folder like /home/USERNAME and the other makes /home /username 1 uses capital letters and the other dont... how can i make both computers use the same /home/username folder? [13:20] what config file decide how and where a /home folder is created? [13:39] .. i have one xubuntu computer that creates all users /home in capitals: /home/USERNAME .. and another identical xubuntu computer that makes the home in small letters /home/username .... how can i make it so both creates /home dirs in small letters?? [17:11] Is there a version that works with xubuntu 8.04? [17:14] Wow, everyone must be eating turkey [17:45] trailbrain: probably that or asleep [18:09] trailbrain: still around? [18:09] trailbrain: to answer your question, we don't specifically have a version for Xubuntu [18:09] trailbrain: but depending on what you're wanting to do you can usually work around that [22:30] Can Edubuntu be added to Ubuntu Server as a package? [22:32] ball: as in, you have an Ubuntu Server install and you want to add Edubuntu onto it? [22:33] you can install the edubuntu-desktop package to install the educational apps, but that is going to require a lot of extra packages for plain Ubuntu Server install [22:35] specially if it is without X [22:36] well, X is the light part even :-) [22:36] all the Gnome libraries and ubuntu-desktop are gonna take a lot [22:36] right :-) [22:37] how u doing, LaserJock, its been pretty quiet edubuntuwise... [22:37] LaserJock: that's what I'm thinking of. [22:37] nubae: yeah, I've had some family issues come up [22:38] oh, hope everything is ok... [22:38] ball: well, I wouldn't particularly recommend basing off of Ubuntu Server for Edubuntu or LTSP [22:38] ok. [22:39] ball: you can do it put you're going to have to download something like 500MB of packages [22:39] and set some stuff up yourself that would automated in a normal install [22:39] in the case of LTSP [22:39] ball: what do u need server for anyway? [22:39] Okay, I'll look at the separate CD then. [22:40] ball: what are you trying to create? we could recommend a good method for doing it [22:40] brb, kid's crying [22:55] Okay, there we are. [22:55] I have a couple of sites where I might be able to use Edubuntu, depending on the installed (or available) apps. [22:56] just edubuntu or LTSP too? [22:56] what kind of sites and what kind of apps are you looking for? [22:57] nubae: did you see my start of a strategy doc? [22:57] no... link? [22:58] I have some time this weekend, I wanted to work on the edubuntu site a bit... get rid of the convoluted language [23:00] nubae: it's unfinshed and rough: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/StrategyDocument [23:02] sounds good... so we are calling edubuntu an OS then? rather than an add-on? [23:04] just objective 1 that confused me a bit, otherwise sounds great... [23:06] well [23:06] I think "OS" is sort of loose [23:07] it's hard to define what Edubuntu is exactly [23:07] it's mostly a project centered around education [23:07] project or community? [23:08] "project" [23:08] nubae: probably both [23:08] ...though I thought Edubuntu included ltsp by default. [23:08] ball: then start by installing alternate cd [23:09] and hitting F4 on startup [23:09] ball: it's been "reconfigured" :-) [23:09] LaserJock: ^^ a pefect example of the confusion... [23:10] If we think of edubuntu as a distro or OS, we have the problem that people think it includes LTSP [23:10] nubae: thanks. [23:10] nubae: but an "addon" isn't very well defined [23:11] it's an OS that is not self-contained [23:11] you're right... how else could add-on be defined? [23:12] Whatever the definition, it should be easy for the layperson to understand [23:12] how about 'the educational packages' [23:14] no matter how you look at it, it's sort of lacking [23:14] we don't just "maintain educational packages" [23:14] and we don't maintain nearly all of them, only a portion [23:15] "a project to bring the best of the open-source software world to educational environments" is about as close as I can get [23:16] and one of the primary ways we do that is via a CD [23:16] how about a project and community [23:17] Thanks. I have to go [23:17] especially if we include sugar into this [23:17] well, I consider community to be a part of "project" but yeah [23:18] to me a project is: people, products, purpose, and communication [23:18] I just think, saying its an operating system might confuse people [23:18] yeah, that is a good point [23:18] but well, it is an OS, just not in-and-of itself [23:19] yeah but try explaining that to someone [23:19] "educational addon layer" [23:19] its on OS, but not really, but contains an OS, sugar, but is really a project about education... [23:19] :-) [23:20] well, I consider Ubuntu to be the OS [23:20] right [23:20] and we "transform" Ubuntu into Edubuntu [23:20] so I still think of it as an OS [23:20] but you're right that it's more a project than an OS [23:20] but of course the same can be said of Ubuntu [23:21] it's all very confusing really :-) [23:21] the problem becomes even bigger with sugar [23:21] sugar on top of edubuntu on top of ubuntu... [23:21] I haven't really considered Sugar in all of it, I just see it as another App or Desktop Environment [23:21] yeah [23:22] bottom line though, Edubuntu is an educational project [23:22] its definetly not an app, as it contains many apps... desktop environment sounds better [23:22] yeah, that sounds ok.... [23:22] how that's been manifested has changed through time [23:22] 1 install CD -> 2 CDs -> addon Cd [23:23] heard anything from RichEd lately? [23:23] but we're still basically the same thing, delivery has changed [23:23] no, I need to email him about several things [23:24] I don't see him on the list of attendees to UDS either [23:24] so u think I'm ok, to take out the convoluted language out of the edubuntu pages without telling him first? [23:25] on which page? [23:25] or everywhere? [23:25] everywhere [23:26] I have an educational presentation to the general public next Saturday, and I'd like to talk about edubuntu too, but not if its in the current state... [23:26] well, you can talk about it [23:26] :-) [23:27] it's actually a fine difference we're looking at [23:27] if you just talk about Edubuntu you should be fine [23:27] it hasn't changed much [23:27] it's the Ubuntu in Education thing that'll get people, so if you sort of steer around that I'd think you'd be OK [23:28] yes, but the minute they visit the page... [23:28] I want to take out ubuntu in education completely (for now) [23:29] we'll be talking mostly about ltsp and sugar, but I think edubuntu is a big part of linux in education, and would like it to feel that way to the audience (teachers, education decision makers) [23:30] I won't change anything on the site unless you tell me its ok to do so though... [23:30] well, I think that you should talk Edubuntu [23:30] because it's largely the project where this stuff happens [23:31] but I don't see a lot of confusion on edubuntu.org [23:31] there is some, but it's mostly good I think [23:32] you can probably sort of "warn" people that it can be a bit confusing, but telling them what Ubuntu in Education is should help [23:32] I'd rather not mention that, as it doesn't seem well defined at all [23:32] I want to mention ubuntu, edubuntu, ltsp and sugar, and keep it real simple [23:33] also the people to contact page is totally out of date... it doesn't even mention you or riched [23:34] fine, send them to the mailing list [23:34] I gotta run, Thanksgiving dinner time [23:34] ok, enjoy... [23:34] I think you could make some changes [23:35] take the most glaring and confusing parts, make them better [23:35] I'll have a look at the site when I get home tonight [23:35] ok... [23:35] RichEd is not really interested in edubuntu.org I don't think [23:36] he's more interested in ubuntu.com/education