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Rocket2DMnour friend rutadeevacuacion@msn.com has been back spamming01:50
applesauceis that like the back stroke?01:54
wgrantspm: Please kill maurizio-live again.02:30
wgrantCan you not do the opposite of staging, and blackhole messages to those email addresses?02:31
spmdone02:33
wgrantDanke.02:33
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lszyba1hello,02:59
lszyba1could somebody tell me where is a link to upload a release?02:59
lszyba1I want to upload to this section: https://launchpad.net/datahub/+download02:59
wgrantlszyba1: Download files are added under a release.03:01
lszyba1wgrant: sorry, I can't seem to find it, could you tell me what section its on? overview, code?03:03
wgrantlszyba1: Overview. You'll need to create a release in a series.03:04
wgrantthere's a page on it... let me see.03:04
wgranthttps://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases03:04
lszyba1thanks: 'Releases are created by clicking Register a release on a series' overview page.' I don't have any series created maybe that's why it was hard for me to find it.03:11
lszyba1thanks03:11
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lszyba1hello, is there a easy way in a trunk code to make a tag? in svn i would do: svn cp ./trunk/myproject ./tag/0.1beta   what would be equivalent of that in bzr/launchpad ?03:40
wgrantlszyba1: bzr has real tags. You can annotate a revision with a tag name.03:41
wgrantSee 'bzr help tag'03:41
seb_kuzminskyi'm a new vcs-imports user03:49
seb_kuzminskyis there any way to get changes back to the upstream CVS repo via launchpad?03:49
seb_kuzminskyi think not, right?03:49
wgrantCorrect.03:52
wgrantseb_kuzminsky: ^^03:53
lszyba1wgrant: I did:  bzr tag -r 77 datahub-release-0.7  now how do I push this to launchpad? Will launchpad show this tag?03:54
wgrantlszyba1: Just a normal push should get it there. I'm not sure how they're displayed.03:54
lszyba1wgrant: "No new revisions to push."03:56
wgrantlszyba1: Hmm. You might have to ask in #bzr.03:57
lszyba1I guess I should have tagged it before I committed and pushed...will do..thanks03:58
thumperlszyba1: there is a bzr bugglet that doesn't tell you when it has pushed a tag04:03
thumperlszyba1: AFAIK it does push tags even if there are no revisions, but fails to tell you it has done so04:04
lszyba1so I'm good then... :)04:13
lszyba1now if only I could see that tag in launchpad as a "release" or "milestone" or something like that...04:18
mwhudsonlszyba1: yeah, that would be nice04:23
mwhudsonmaybe in a year or two...04:23
lszyba1I wonder if there is a bug for it? If not I could add it to loggerhead for now to just show tags next to "changes"04:27
seb_kuzminskywgrant: thanks!  it's still a great service ;-)04:32
seb_kuzminskyit'll help me pull the fossils kicking and screaming into the 3rd millennium04:32
seb_kuzminskyany suggestions for a diy cvs-to-bzr import that captures the cvs branch structure?04:34
JoeUbuntuanyone home? I wrote a long time ago to launchpad admins about something and didn't get a response.  I need some private info deleted that got up there accidentally.04:35
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JoeUbuntupretty please?04:36
lszyba1csv to bzr ?? have you tried :https://wiki.mozilla.org/Importing_Mozilla_CVS_to_Bazaar04:56
seb_kuzminskylszyba1: thanks, i'll check it out05:13
lszyba1also, if anybody learns bzr ... http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/Bazaar05:59
lszyba1I'm out...bye05:59
bigjoolsdsf09:23
Hobbseebigjools: thanks for the bugfix, btw.09:25
bigjoolsHobbsee: my pleasure09:25
* bigjools reads scollback and wonders how the hell he typed "dsf" into here09:26
* Hobbsee was wondering that, too09:27
* Hobbsee scratches head at launchpad's inconsistencies.09:39
HobbseePublished in jaunty-release 1 hour ago   vs Pending in jaunty-release  since 2008-11-27 20:25:06 EST09:39
* Hobbsee thought they all got changed to relativetime09:40
Hobbsees09:40
bigjoolsrelative time gives awkward English for the latter09:56
Hobbseepending in jaunty-release for X hours?09:58
spivbigjools: use a period rather than relative time?09:59
spivi.e. what Hobbsee just said :)09:59
bigjoolsHobbsee: "since"09:59
Hobbsee:)09:59
Hobbseebigjools: you don't need to use the word 'since', afaik?09:59
bigjoolsas with most things LP, it's not that easy :)09:59
bigjoolswe have formatters that present the info so it needs a new formatter10:00
bigjoolsof course it can be done, it just takes a bit longer10:00
spivI'm not sure that "Pending in jaunty-release since 30 minutes ago" is really more awkward than "... since [many digits interspersed with punctuation]" ;)10:01
bigjools*shrug*10:01
Hobbseespiv: including unclear timezones.10:01
spivHobbsee: Oh, I thought that "EST" was short for "estimated" ;)10:01
Hobbseespiv: oh, is *that* it.  right :)10:02
* bigjools can't wait to take patches once we're OSS10:03
spivbigjools: :)10:03
bigjools;)10:04
spivbigjools: that will be a happy day, but then all this levity would be diverted into productivity, and wouldn't that be a shame? :)10:04
Hobbseebigjools: do you guys keep your jobs when it's open sourced?10:05
bigjoolslmao10:05
Hobbseei'm sure that's a stupid question :P10:05
Hobbseebut still10:05
spivHobbsee: given the immense amount of cool stuff still to be written, let alone bugs that should be fixed, I imagine there will be plenty of work for an army of full-time lp devs even after it's open sourced...10:06
Hobbseespiv: ah, good.10:07
bigjoolsit's true that we have immense amounts of cool stuff to write10:08
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wgrantbigjools: Is there really going to be the admin-only restriction on multiple PPA creation, or is that release note out of date?13:01
bigjoolsgood grief, that didn't take very long13:01
bigjoolsthat is the current plan, yes13:02
wgrantI see.13:02
bigjoolsthough it may be revised13:02
wgrantIt seems to me that that would be introducing a feature only to reduce its utility as much as possible.13:03
bigjoolswhy is it reducing it?13:04
wgrantBecause I don't want to have to find an admin so I can stage another X library fix safely in my PPA.13:04
Hobbseemake it dependant on the amount of karma a person has, or something?13:06
Hobbsee(as to whether they need to find an admin or not, for another PPA)13:06
bigjoolsit's possible we could relax that if we keep the current quota across all the owner's PPAs, but I need to discuss it further13:09
cprovHobbsee: progressive quota related to karma is very likely to fail as criteria when someone new to lp has a important thing to make.13:10
wgrantWhy is new branch creation not restricted, if PPAs are to be?13:11
Odd_Blokecprov: Then the admins can step in, surely?13:11
Hobbseecprov: in which case, they can go to the admins, as the original proposition was.13:11
Hobbseeyou'd only be speeding it up for those who were well established on LP13:11
wgrant(and regarding the end of that spec - if you touch either of those config files, you're doing it really, really wrong)13:12
cprovOdd_Bloke: yes, I see the hybrid scenario.13:12
Hobbsee(note:  this does not say that those with low karma *can't* have multiple numbers of PPAs)13:12
Hobbsee(just that they need admin approval)13:13
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cprovHobbsee: I guess 'ubuntero' flag works better for this case than karma threshold, but we can play with when it's time.13:13
Hobbseecprov: except for the fact that ppas are not an ubuntu-only thing.13:14
Hobbseeand upstreams that build packages for ubuntu, but may want to build multiple lots, aren't usually ubunteros13:14
bigjoolsppas are currently ubuntu-only13:15
wgrantPPAs require a CoC signature, don't they?13:15
Hobbseebigjools: sure, they build for ubuntu, but it doesn't mean that only people packaging for the official ubuntu repositories are the only ones that can use them.13:15
bigjoolsyep13:15
wgrantI've often wondered why everything in LP is so non-Ubuntu-specific... except for /+archive.13:15
* Hobbsee thought that was also becoming looser, and not ubuntu specific13:15
bigjoolsHobbsee: well, you won't get build dependencies for any other distro13:16
bigjoolsso I would say they're Ubuntu-specific13:16
Hobbseebigjools: you miss my point13:16
cprovwgrant: ehe, because there is a target distribution (chroots, builders, repositories).13:16
Hobbseealthough presumably all the upstreams have to sign the ubuntu code of conduct, to use ppas to distribute their own stuff.13:16
bigjoolsHobbsee: perhaps you could explain it better?13:17
Hobbseewhich seems slightly backwards.13:17
wgrantcprov: I mean, all other Ubuntu stuff has 'ubuntu' in the URL. So other distros can possibly be added eventually.13:17
wgrant+archive13:17
wgrant+archive has Ubuntu implied.13:17
cprovwgrant: right, that will change (slightly), check the spec.13:18
wgrantI know there are other Ubuntu-specific hardcodings, but not user-facing.13:18
Hobbseebigjools: never mind.  If they have to sign the Ubuntu code of conduct, whether they're actually involved in the ubuntu community or not (as i'm thinking you can make packages for it without being in teh community, like you can for other distros on other build systems)13:18
Hobbseethen having them listed as an ubuntero or not is pretty much irrelevant.13:18
bigjoolsI don't understand how this changes the fact that PPAs are for Ubuntu only13:18
wgrantcprov: Right, I read that, but that doesn't address the multiple distro issue, unless the schema has UNIQUE (person, name) rather than just UNIQUE (person, distro, name), which it may well....13:19
bigjoolsthe latter13:19
Hobbseebigjools: it's the case of "if you want to make a package, at all, for ubuntu, and distribute it, you *must* sign the code of conduct for ubuntu.  even if they're completely unofficial packages"13:19
cprovwgrant: UNIQUE(person, distro, name) will allow automatic propagation from ubuntu PPAs to other distros PPAs in the future13:20
bigjoolsHobbsee: do you see that as a problem?13:20
Hobbseebigjools: somewhat.  Some people disagree with the code of conduct.13:21
cprovwgrant: so instead of having PPA foo for ubuntu and PPA bar for debian, you will have PPA foo for ubuntu and debian.13:21
wgrantcprov: But how do I traverse in the web UI to my PPA named 'ppa' in Debian, and my PPA named 'ppa' in Ubuntu? +archive URLs don't have any distro name involved, and this breaking of URLs is surely a good time to fix that.13:21
Hobbseeand/or don't wish to sign it, for reasonably legitimate reasons.13:21
bigjoolsit'll get fixed eventually when PPAs support more than Ubuntu13:21
cprovwgrant: ^13:21
bigjoolsHobbsee: then we're not forcing them to use PPAs13:22
* wgrant would advise that discussion about the CoC stuff keep in mind that it might well be all changing soon.13:22
beunoHobbsee, I also suppose the CoC is currently serving as a disclaimer and "terms of use"13:22
bigjoolsexactly13:22
Hobbseebeuno: yes, it would be.  Seems like a bad use for it, though13:23
Hobbseewgrant: well, so they say.  But then there will still be a lock on the 'ubuntero' term, w.r.t. ppas13:23
beunowell, making people promise to behave nicelt isn't all bad13:23
beunonot ideal, I agree13:23
beunos/nicelt/nicely13:24
Hobbseeof course, making them be an ubuntuero, if you ever support other distros / etc is problematic, as well.13:25
beunosure13:25
beunowe'll cross that bridge when we get there13:25
Hobbseethus the karma is agnostic enough13:25
Hobbseeand would be a decent way of future proofing launchpad.13:25
wgrantI don't think basing privileges on karma is a good idea, but I don't think there's a much better solution.13:26
wgrantOther than not restricting it, much like branch creation.13:26
beunoyeah, it's just not a terrible thing, as long as Ubuntu is the only distro supported. There's a lot of more important things. When we have more distros, the priorities will shift.13:26
beunonow, who's packing for UDS already?13:26
beunoI'm looking forward to meeting everyone finally13:26
wgrantIndeed. It will be excellent.13:27
* Hobbsee found power adaptors today13:27
wgrantAnd only a bit over a week away!13:27
wgrantHobbsee: Thanks for that.13:27
Hobbseewgrant: you're welcome.13:27
bigjoolswho's going then?13:27
* bigjools is ducking out of this one13:27
wgrantOh, really?13:27
bigjoolstwo other soyuz guys are going, you don't need me as well :)13:28
* beuno is trying to get clean clothes13:28
cprovbeuno: you won't need them, it's not Lexington.13:29
bigjoolsalthough cprov loves the USA so we couldn't stop him13:29
al-maisan:)13:29
bigjoolsand now, I need food13:29
wgrantAh! Soyuz people everywhere.13:29
cprovbigjools: I'm struggling to understand the ton of your comment ? was it supposed to be sarcastic ?13:30
al-maisanwgrant: "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" :)13:30
bigjoolscprov: possibly :)13:30
beunocprov, great news. Then I'm ready to go!13:31
cprovbigjools: right, possibly ...13:31
cprovbeuno: yes, we all are, the canonical-bag is always ready to be dragged around the world.13:32
bigjoolscprov: I shall add <sarcasm> tags next time :)13:32
beunocprov, when are you getting there?13:33
cprovbeuno: sunday (at some point), let me check13:34
al-maisanbeuno: are you getting itchy :)13:35
al-maisanstayed too long at any one place?13:35
beunocprov, I'm there a week before13:35
* al-maisan ducks and runs for cover 13:35
beunoal-maisan, I've been home for a week and a half and I'm leaving in 3 days. I'd answer you, but I want to keep our conversations on good terms  ;)13:36
al-maisanbeuno: gotcha :)13:36
beunoal-maisan, I do look forward to seeing you all again though13:36
beunoso it's mixed feelings13:36
al-maisanbeuno: same here, looking forward to meeting everybody13:37
cprovbeuno: that's definitely not good for dating ... you have to work harder on this.13:38
bigjoolsmaybe he has a girl in every port13:38
beunocprov, I'm looking into dating stewardess. Seems to solve quite a few problems at the same time!13:38
cprovbeuno: don't fly Delta then, they have very critical condition in terms of average beauty.13:42
beunocprov, tam is very nice!  but I haven't been able to get on a tam flight this time13:42
cprovbeuno: me neither, will fly delta again SP-NYC-SF (just because it's lovely) :(13:45
al-maisancprov: ugh .. that does not seem to be the most obvious route :(13:47
wgrantI was just thinking that.13:47
beunoal-maisan, last time, I did Madrid > Zurich > Montreal > Washington DC13:47
al-maisanbeuno: I do hope that you at least have a frequent flier account :)13:48
al-maisan.. to collect all these miles13:48
cproval-maisan: next time they will probably send me through Reykjavik ;)13:48
al-maisancprov: don't go there .. the polar bears are atrocious :)13:49
Ursinhaal-maisan, he should be able to win an airplane by now for flying this much13:49
beunoal-maisan, I'm climbing the miles category pretty fast...13:49
al-maisanbeuno: I like the idea, the BEUNO-1 :)13:49
beunoal-maisan, that would be great. I'd *always* be home!  I would just have to furnish the plane properly...13:50
beuno(no food in the fridge and lots of books everywhere)13:51
al-maisan:)13:51
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devilHello! Does anyone knows how to compile or cross compile openoffice?15:22
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RainCTHi15:49
RainCTCan someone please set "freevial" to be a project group?15:49
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et3How do I add packages to my PPA?16:15
cprovet3: you have to *upload* sources to your PPA or copy packages from other PPAs.16:16
et3cprov:  where do I go to do this?16:17
bigjoolshttps://help.launchpad.net/PPA16:17
cprovet3: start with https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA, as suggested.16:17
et3cprov: I've also wanted to rename my account and project16:17
cprovet3: okay, take few minutes to go over https://help.launchpad.net/ in general then.16:20
et3cprov: it's possible right?16:20
cprovet3: yes, and the help wiki will describe the procedures in details.16:21
et3thanks16:21
RainCTCan someone please set the "freevial" project to be a project group?16:35
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matsubaraRainCT: request it through https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/16:46
et3I have problems signing my package16:48
RainCTdone16:50
RainCTthx16:50
DvyjonesI'm trying to delete a branch and get the following error: OOPS-1062C250018:17
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1062C250018:17
DvyjonesAny ideas?18:17
DvyjonesOR any ideas on how to reset a branch (I accidentaly put a password there...)18:18
salgadoDvyjones, you can 'push --overwrite' an empty branch on that same location18:20
salgadoas a workaround18:20
salgadoDvyjones, that is bug 301595, btw18:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 301595 in launchpad-bazaar "OOPS when deleting a branch with revisions" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30159518:21
DvyjonesThanks...18:21
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thumpermoning launchpadders20:10
thumpers/moning/morning20:10
vvinetgood afternoon20:15
mwhudsonfta: ping20:17
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ruthgardPlease help me, how do I make my first commit of my project from my harddrive to my launchpad project?22:06
Ryan52commit something locally, then push it?22:08
Ryan52do you know bzr?22:08
ruthgardno I know svn22:09
ruthgardI just apt-get installed bzr tho22:09
ruthgardand did bzr add on the files I need22:10
ruthgardthen bzr commit22:10
ruthgardand it seemed to work22:10
ruthgardbut I dont get how to move them to launchpad22:10
mwhudsonruthgard: you should 'bzr push' to an appropriate location22:12
ruthgard bzr push lp:~j-launchpad-ruthgard-org/fridgemoney/trunk22:12
ruthgardgives me22:12
ruthgardbzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()22:12
mwhudsonruthgard: you need to run 'bzr launchhpad-login j-launchpad-ruthgard-org'22:13
mwhudsonruthgard: newer bzr gives a more helpful error message here22:13
ruthgardokay it did something hmm22:14
ruthgardCreated new branch22:14
ruthgardwas the message this time22:15
ruthgardNo code in the site tho22:15
mwhudsonruthgard: it takes a minute or two to appear22:16
ruthgardaha22:16
ruthgardokay now this is a java webapp, can I make the war file (ie compiled binary) appear in the dowload section of the project somehow?22:16
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ftamwhudson, pong22:20
Ryan52sorry, was afk.22:20
ruthgardHmm I see the commit but not the code22:20
ruthgardits not that intuitive22:20
ruthgardnm I found it22:21
mwhudsonfta: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+question/51332 again22:26
mwhudsonruthgard: yes, you should go to 'register a release' in your project22:27
quentusrexIs it possible to have launchpad auto build my code(which is hosted at launchpad) into the *.deb?22:28
mwhudsonquentusrex: no, though we'd like that22:29
mwhudsonfta: my understanding when we left it last was that you were going to request some new imports, have you done that?22:29
quentusrexmwhudson: then how do I get my code that is on launchpad into a deb on launch pad?22:29
mwhudson(or was your expectation different?)22:29
quentusrexI've imported the code to launch pad. I'll test it out22:29
mwhudsonquentusrex: by uploading the code to the ppa22:30
quentusrexI'd rather do things the ubuntu way.22:30
ftamwhudson, not yet. been busy with something else.22:30
quentusrexmwhudson: is there a howto on that?22:30
mwhudsonquentusrex: unfortunately there's no relation (yet!) between hosting your code on launchpad and packaging it for ubuntu22:30
mwhudsonquentusrex: yes, let me dig22:30
mwhudsonfta: ok22:30
thumperquentusrex: uploading the code to a ppa is the ubuntu way :)22:30
mwhudsonquentusrex: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA22:31
thumperquentusrex: there is magic planned (somewhere down the long and twisted way) to hook up code in branches with PPAs22:31
quentusrexSo, what works right now?22:31
quentusrexI saw something about upload the source package.22:31
mwhudsonyes, that's what you do22:32
quentusrexis there a how to for that?22:32
mwhudsonquentusrex: the link i pasted should get you started22:33
quentusrexcan I connect to my launch pad account (the code repo) through svn?22:36
mwhudsonno22:37
mwhudsonyou can use bzr-svn to interoperate between bzr and svn, but you have to run it yourself, it's not a service we provide22:37
quentusrexI'll just run my own svn.22:52
quentusrexand have launchpad pull from that.22:52
ruthgardThanks for the help22:57
ruthgardmanaged to add my project and make a release22:58
ruthgardwith downloads22:58
mwhudsonruthgard: well done :)22:58
ruthgardI am not sure if its the right place to put it tho :)22:59
ruthgardafter looking in to what other projects are there22:59
ruthgardBut thats for the future to tell :)23:00
* mwhudson off for lunch, back in an hour or so23:52

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