[01:50] <Rocket2DMn> our friend rutadeevacuacion@msn.com has been back spamming
[01:54] <applesauce> is that like the back stroke?
[02:30] <wgrant> spm: Please kill maurizio-live again.
[02:31] <wgrant> Can you not do the opposite of staging, and blackhole messages to those email addresses?
[02:33] <spm> done
[02:33] <wgrant> Danke.
[02:59] <lszyba1> hello,
[02:59] <lszyba1> could somebody tell me where is a link to upload a release?
[02:59] <lszyba1> I want to upload to this section: https://launchpad.net/datahub/+download
[03:01] <wgrant> lszyba1: Download files are added under a release.
[03:03] <lszyba1> wgrant: sorry, I can't seem to find it, could you tell me what section its on? overview, code?
[03:04] <wgrant> lszyba1: Overview. You'll need to create a release in a series.
[03:04] <wgrant> there's a page on it... let me see.
[03:04] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[03:11] <lszyba1> thanks: 'Releases are created by clicking Register a release on a series' overview page.' I don't have any series created maybe that's why it was hard for me to find it.
[03:11] <lszyba1> thanks
[03:40] <lszyba1> hello, is there a easy way in a trunk code to make a tag? in svn i would do: svn cp ./trunk/myproject ./tag/0.1beta   what would be equivalent of that in bzr/launchpad ?
[03:41] <wgrant> lszyba1: bzr has real tags. You can annotate a revision with a tag name.
[03:41] <wgrant> See 'bzr help tag'
[03:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm a new vcs-imports user
[03:49] <seb_kuzminsky> is there any way to get changes back to the upstream CVS repo via launchpad?
[03:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i think not, right?
[03:52] <wgrant> Correct.
[03:53] <wgrant> seb_kuzminsky: ^^
[03:54] <lszyba1> wgrant: I did:  bzr tag -r 77 datahub-release-0.7  now how do I push this to launchpad? Will launchpad show this tag?
[03:54] <wgrant> lszyba1: Just a normal push should get it there. I'm not sure how they're displayed.
[03:56] <lszyba1> wgrant: "No new revisions to push."
[03:57] <wgrant> lszyba1: Hmm. You might have to ask in #bzr.
[03:58] <lszyba1> I guess I should have tagged it before I committed and pushed...will do..thanks
[04:03] <thumper> lszyba1: there is a bzr bugglet that doesn't tell you when it has pushed a tag
[04:04] <thumper> lszyba1: AFAIK it does push tags even if there are no revisions, but fails to tell you it has done so
[04:13] <lszyba1> so I'm good then... :)
[04:18] <lszyba1> now if only I could see that tag in launchpad as a "release" or "milestone" or something like that...
[04:23] <mwhudson> lszyba1: yeah, that would be nice
[04:23] <mwhudson> maybe in a year or two...
[04:27] <lszyba1> I wonder if there is a bug for it? If not I could add it to loggerhead for now to just show tags next to "changes"
[04:32] <seb_kuzminsky> wgrant: thanks!  it's still a great service ;-)
[04:32] <seb_kuzminsky> it'll help me pull the fossils kicking and screaming into the 3rd millennium
[04:34] <seb_kuzminsky> any suggestions for a diy cvs-to-bzr import that captures the cvs branch structure?
[04:35] <JoeUbuntu> anyone home? I wrote a long time ago to launchpad admins about something and didn't get a response.  I need some private info deleted that got up there accidentally.
[04:36] <JoeUbuntu> pretty please?
[04:56] <lszyba1> csv to bzr ?? have you tried :https://wiki.mozilla.org/Importing_Mozilla_CVS_to_Bazaar
[05:13] <seb_kuzminsky> lszyba1: thanks, i'll check it out
[05:59] <lszyba1> also, if anybody learns bzr ... http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/Bazaar
[05:59] <lszyba1> I'm out...bye
[09:23] <bigjools> dsf
[09:25] <Hobbsee> bigjools: thanks for the bugfix, btw.
[09:25] <bigjools> Hobbsee: my pleasure
[09:26]  * bigjools reads scollback and wonders how the hell he typed "dsf" into here
[09:27]  * Hobbsee was wondering that, too
[09:39]  * Hobbsee scratches head at launchpad's inconsistencies.
[09:39] <Hobbsee> Published in jaunty-release 1 hour ago   vs Pending in jaunty-release  since 2008-11-27 20:25:06 EST
[09:40]  * Hobbsee thought they all got changed to relativetime
[09:40] <Hobbsee> s
[09:56] <bigjools> relative time gives awkward English for the latter
[09:58] <Hobbsee> pending in jaunty-release for X hours?
[09:59] <spiv> bigjools: use a period rather than relative time?
[09:59] <spiv> i.e. what Hobbsee just said :)
[09:59] <bigjools> Hobbsee: "since"
[09:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> bigjools: you don't need to use the word 'since', afaik?
[09:59] <bigjools> as with most things LP, it's not that easy :)
[10:00] <bigjools> we have formatters that present the info so it needs a new formatter
[10:00] <bigjools> of course it can be done, it just takes a bit longer
[10:01] <spiv> I'm not sure that "Pending in jaunty-release since 30 minutes ago" is really more awkward than "... since [many digits interspersed with punctuation]" ;)
[10:01] <bigjools> *shrug*
[10:01] <Hobbsee> spiv: including unclear timezones.
[10:01] <spiv> Hobbsee: Oh, I thought that "EST" was short for "estimated" ;)
[10:02] <Hobbsee> spiv: oh, is *that* it.  right :)
[10:03]  * bigjools can't wait to take patches once we're OSS
[10:03] <spiv> bigjools: :)
[10:04] <bigjools> ;)
[10:04] <spiv> bigjools: that will be a happy day, but then all this levity would be diverted into productivity, and wouldn't that be a shame? :)
[10:05] <Hobbsee> bigjools: do you guys keep your jobs when it's open sourced?
[10:05] <bigjools> lmao
[10:05] <Hobbsee> i'm sure that's a stupid question :P
[10:05] <Hobbsee> but still
[10:06] <spiv> Hobbsee: given the immense amount of cool stuff still to be written, let alone bugs that should be fixed, I imagine there will be plenty of work for an army of full-time lp devs even after it's open sourced...
[10:07] <Hobbsee> spiv: ah, good.
[10:08] <bigjools> it's true that we have immense amounts of cool stuff to write
[13:01] <wgrant> bigjools: Is there really going to be the admin-only restriction on multiple PPA creation, or is that release note out of date?
[13:01] <bigjools> good grief, that didn't take very long
[13:02] <bigjools> that is the current plan, yes
[13:02] <wgrant> I see.
[13:02] <bigjools> though it may be revised
[13:03] <wgrant> It seems to me that that would be introducing a feature only to reduce its utility as much as possible.
[13:04] <bigjools> why is it reducing it?
[13:04] <wgrant> Because I don't want to have to find an admin so I can stage another X library fix safely in my PPA.
[13:06] <Hobbsee> make it dependant on the amount of karma a person has, or something?
[13:06] <Hobbsee> (as to whether they need to find an admin or not, for another PPA)
[13:09] <bigjools> it's possible we could relax that if we keep the current quota across all the owner's PPAs, but I need to discuss it further
[13:10] <cprov> Hobbsee: progressive quota related to karma is very likely to fail as criteria when someone new to lp has a important thing to make.
[13:11] <wgrant> Why is new branch creation not restricted, if PPAs are to be?
[13:11] <Odd_Bloke> cprov: Then the admins can step in, surely?
[13:11] <Hobbsee> cprov: in which case, they can go to the admins, as the original proposition was.
[13:11] <Hobbsee> you'd only be speeding it up for those who were well established on LP
[13:12] <wgrant> (and regarding the end of that spec - if you touch either of those config files, you're doing it really, really wrong)
[13:12] <cprov> Odd_Bloke: yes, I see the hybrid scenario.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> (note:  this does not say that those with low karma *can't* have multiple numbers of PPAs)
[13:13] <Hobbsee> (just that they need admin approval)
[13:13] <cprov> Hobbsee: I guess 'ubuntero' flag works better for this case than karma threshold, but we can play with when it's time.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> cprov: except for the fact that ppas are not an ubuntu-only thing.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> and upstreams that build packages for ubuntu, but may want to build multiple lots, aren't usually ubunteros
[13:15] <bigjools> ppas are currently ubuntu-only
[13:15] <wgrant> PPAs require a CoC signature, don't they?
[13:15] <Hobbsee> bigjools: sure, they build for ubuntu, but it doesn't mean that only people packaging for the official ubuntu repositories are the only ones that can use them.
[13:15] <bigjools> yep
[13:15] <wgrant> I've often wondered why everything in LP is so non-Ubuntu-specific... except for /+archive.
[13:15]  * Hobbsee thought that was also becoming looser, and not ubuntu specific
[13:16] <bigjools> Hobbsee: well, you won't get build dependencies for any other distro
[13:16] <bigjools> so I would say they're Ubuntu-specific
[13:16] <Hobbsee> bigjools: you miss my point
[13:16] <cprov> wgrant: ehe, because there is a target distribution (chroots, builders, repositories).
[13:16] <Hobbsee> although presumably all the upstreams have to sign the ubuntu code of conduct, to use ppas to distribute their own stuff.
[13:17] <bigjools> Hobbsee: perhaps you could explain it better?
[13:17] <Hobbsee> which seems slightly backwards.
[13:17] <wgrant> cprov: I mean, all other Ubuntu stuff has 'ubuntu' in the URL. So other distros can possibly be added eventually.
[13:17] <wgrant> +archive
[13:17] <wgrant> +archive has Ubuntu implied.
[13:18] <cprov> wgrant: right, that will change (slightly), check the spec.
[13:18] <wgrant> I know there are other Ubuntu-specific hardcodings, but not user-facing.
[13:18] <Hobbsee> bigjools: never mind.  If they have to sign the Ubuntu code of conduct, whether they're actually involved in the ubuntu community or not (as i'm thinking you can make packages for it without being in teh community, like you can for other distros on other build systems)
[13:18] <Hobbsee> then having them listed as an ubuntero or not is pretty much irrelevant.
[13:18] <bigjools> I don't understand how this changes the fact that PPAs are for Ubuntu only
[13:19] <wgrant> cprov: Right, I read that, but that doesn't address the multiple distro issue, unless the schema has UNIQUE (person, name) rather than just UNIQUE (person, distro, name), which it may well....
[13:19] <bigjools> the latter
[13:19] <Hobbsee> bigjools: it's the case of "if you want to make a package, at all, for ubuntu, and distribute it, you *must* sign the code of conduct for ubuntu.  even if they're completely unofficial packages"
[13:20] <cprov> wgrant: UNIQUE(person, distro, name) will allow automatic propagation from ubuntu PPAs to other distros PPAs in the future
[13:20] <bigjools> Hobbsee: do you see that as a problem?
[13:21] <Hobbsee> bigjools: somewhat.  Some people disagree with the code of conduct.
[13:21] <cprov> wgrant: so instead of having PPA foo for ubuntu and PPA bar for debian, you will have PPA foo for ubuntu and debian.
[13:21] <wgrant> cprov: But how do I traverse in the web UI to my PPA named 'ppa' in Debian, and my PPA named 'ppa' in Ubuntu? +archive URLs don't have any distro name involved, and this breaking of URLs is surely a good time to fix that.
[13:21] <Hobbsee> and/or don't wish to sign it, for reasonably legitimate reasons.
[13:21] <bigjools> it'll get fixed eventually when PPAs support more than Ubuntu
[13:21] <cprov> wgrant: ^
[13:22] <bigjools> Hobbsee: then we're not forcing them to use PPAs
[13:22]  * wgrant would advise that discussion about the CoC stuff keep in mind that it might well be all changing soon.
[13:22] <beuno> Hobbsee, I also suppose the CoC is currently serving as a disclaimer and "terms of use"
[13:22] <bigjools> exactly
[13:23] <Hobbsee> beuno: yes, it would be.  Seems like a bad use for it, though
[13:23] <Hobbsee> wgrant: well, so they say.  But then there will still be a lock on the 'ubuntero' term, w.r.t. ppas
[13:23] <beuno> well, making people promise to behave nicelt isn't all bad
[13:23] <beuno> not ideal, I agree
[13:24] <beuno> s/nicelt/nicely
[13:25] <Hobbsee> of course, making them be an ubuntuero, if you ever support other distros / etc is problematic, as well.
[13:25] <beuno> sure
[13:25] <beuno> we'll cross that bridge when we get there
[13:25] <Hobbsee> thus the karma is agnostic enough
[13:25] <Hobbsee> and would be a decent way of future proofing launchpad.
[13:26] <wgrant> I don't think basing privileges on karma is a good idea, but I don't think there's a much better solution.
[13:26] <wgrant> Other than not restricting it, much like branch creation.
[13:26] <beuno> yeah, it's just not a terrible thing, as long as Ubuntu is the only distro supported. There's a lot of more important things. When we have more distros, the priorities will shift.
[13:26] <beuno> now, who's packing for UDS already?
[13:26] <beuno> I'm looking forward to meeting everyone finally
[13:27] <wgrant> Indeed. It will be excellent.
[13:27]  * Hobbsee found power adaptors today
[13:27] <wgrant> And only a bit over a week away!
[13:27] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Thanks for that.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> wgrant: you're welcome.
[13:27] <bigjools> who's going then?
[13:27]  * bigjools is ducking out of this one
[13:27] <wgrant> Oh, really?
[13:28] <bigjools> two other soyuz guys are going, you don't need me as well :)
[13:28]  * beuno is trying to get clean clothes
[13:29] <cprov> beuno: you won't need them, it's not Lexington.
[13:29] <bigjools> although cprov loves the USA so we couldn't stop him
[13:29] <al-maisan> :)
[13:29] <bigjools> and now, I need food
[13:29] <wgrant> Ah! Soyuz people everywhere.
[13:30] <cprov> bigjools: I'm struggling to understand the ton of your comment ? was it supposed to be sarcastic ?
[13:30] <al-maisan> wgrant: "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" :)
[13:30] <bigjools> cprov: possibly :)
[13:31] <beuno> cprov, great news. Then I'm ready to go!
[13:31] <cprov> bigjools: right, possibly ...
[13:32] <cprov> beuno: yes, we all are, the canonical-bag is always ready to be dragged around the world.
[13:32] <bigjools> cprov: I shall add <sarcasm> tags next time :)
[13:33] <beuno> cprov, when are you getting there?
[13:34] <cprov> beuno: sunday (at some point), let me check
[13:35] <al-maisan> beuno: are you getting itchy :)
[13:35] <al-maisan> stayed too long at any one place?
[13:35] <beuno> cprov, I'm there a week before
[13:35]  * al-maisan ducks and runs for cover 
[13:36] <beuno> al-maisan, I've been home for a week and a half and I'm leaving in 3 days. I'd answer you, but I want to keep our conversations on good terms  ;)
[13:36] <al-maisan> beuno: gotcha :)
[13:36] <beuno> al-maisan, I do look forward to seeing you all again though
[13:36] <beuno> so it's mixed feelings
[13:37] <al-maisan> beuno: same here, looking forward to meeting everybody
[13:38] <cprov> beuno: that's definitely not good for dating ... you have to work harder on this.
[13:38] <bigjools> maybe he has a girl in every port
[13:38] <beuno> cprov, I'm looking into dating stewardess. Seems to solve quite a few problems at the same time!
[13:42] <cprov> beuno: don't fly Delta then, they have very critical condition in terms of average beauty.
[13:42] <beuno> cprov, tam is very nice!  but I haven't been able to get on a tam flight this time
[13:45] <cprov> beuno: me neither, will fly delta again SP-NYC-SF (just because it's lovely) :(
[13:47] <al-maisan> cprov: ugh .. that does not seem to be the most obvious route :(
[13:47] <wgrant> I was just thinking that.
[13:47] <beuno> al-maisan, last time, I did Madrid > Zurich > Montreal > Washington DC
[13:48] <al-maisan> beuno: I do hope that you at least have a frequent flier account :)
[13:48] <al-maisan> .. to collect all these miles
[13:48] <cprov> al-maisan: next time they will probably send me through Reykjavik ;)
[13:49] <al-maisan> cprov: don't go there .. the polar bears are atrocious :)
[13:49] <Ursinha> al-maisan, he should be able to win an airplane by now for flying this much
[13:49] <beuno> al-maisan, I'm climbing the miles category pretty fast...
[13:49] <al-maisan> beuno: I like the idea, the BEUNO-1 :)
[13:50] <beuno> al-maisan, that would be great. I'd *always* be home!  I would just have to furnish the plane properly...
[13:51] <beuno> (no food in the fridge and lots of books everywhere)
[13:51] <al-maisan> :)
[15:22] <devil> Hello! Does anyone knows how to compile or cross compile openoffice?
[15:49] <RainCT> Hi
[15:49] <RainCT> Can someone please set "freevial" to be a project group?
[16:15] <et3> How do I add packages to my PPA?
[16:16] <cprov> et3: you have to *upload* sources to your PPA or copy packages from other PPAs.
[16:17] <et3> cprov:  where do I go to do this?
[16:17] <bigjools> https://help.launchpad.net/PPA
[16:17] <cprov> et3: start with https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA, as suggested.
[16:17] <et3> cprov: I've also wanted to rename my account and project
[16:20] <cprov> et3: okay, take few minutes to go over https://help.launchpad.net/ in general then.
[16:20] <et3> cprov: it's possible right?
[16:21] <cprov> et3: yes, and the help wiki will describe the procedures in details.
[16:21] <et3> thanks
[16:35] <RainCT> Can someone please set the "freevial" project to be a project group?
[16:46] <matsubara> RainCT: request it through https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[16:48] <et3> I have problems signing my package
[16:50] <RainCT> done
[16:50] <RainCT> thx
[18:17] <Dvyjones> I'm trying to delete a branch and get the following error: OOPS-1062C2500
[18:17] <Dvyjones> Any ideas?
[18:18] <Dvyjones> OR any ideas on how to reset a branch (I accidentaly put a password there...)
[18:20] <salgado> Dvyjones, you can 'push --overwrite' an empty branch on that same location
[18:20] <salgado> as a workaround
[18:21] <salgado> Dvyjones, that is bug 301595, btw
[18:21] <Dvyjones> Thanks...
[20:10] <thumper> moning launchpadders
[20:10] <thumper> s/moning/morning
[20:15] <vvinet> good afternoon
[20:17] <mwhudson> fta: ping
[22:06] <ruthgard> Please help me, how do I make my first commit of my project from my harddrive to my launchpad project?
[22:08] <Ryan52> commit something locally, then push it?
[22:08] <Ryan52> do you know bzr?
[22:09] <ruthgard> no I know svn
[22:09] <ruthgard> I just apt-get installed bzr tho
[22:10] <ruthgard> and did bzr add on the files I need
[22:10] <ruthgard> then bzr commit
[22:10] <ruthgard> and it seemed to work
[22:10] <ruthgard> but I dont get how to move them to launchpad
[22:12] <mwhudson> ruthgard: you should 'bzr push' to an appropriate location
[22:12] <ruthgard>  bzr push lp:~j-launchpad-ruthgard-org/fridgemoney/trunk
[22:12] <ruthgard> gives me
[22:12] <ruthgard> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[22:13] <mwhudson> ruthgard: you need to run 'bzr launchhpad-login j-launchpad-ruthgard-org'
[22:13] <mwhudson> ruthgard: newer bzr gives a more helpful error message here
[22:14] <ruthgard> okay it did something hmm
[22:14] <ruthgard> Created new branch
[22:15] <ruthgard> was the message this time
[22:15] <ruthgard> No code in the site tho
[22:16] <mwhudson> ruthgard: it takes a minute or two to appear
[22:16] <ruthgard> aha
[22:16] <ruthgard> okay now this is a java webapp, can I make the war file (ie compiled binary) appear in the dowload section of the project somehow?
[22:20] <fta> mwhudson, pong
[22:20] <Ryan52> sorry, was afk.
[22:20] <ruthgard> Hmm I see the commit but not the code
[22:20] <ruthgard> its not that intuitive
[22:21] <ruthgard> nm I found it
[22:26] <mwhudson> fta: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+question/51332 again
[22:27] <mwhudson> ruthgard: yes, you should go to 'register a release' in your project
[22:28] <quentusrex> Is it possible to have launchpad auto build my code(which is hosted at launchpad) into the *.deb?
[22:29] <mwhudson> quentusrex: no, though we'd like that
[22:29] <mwhudson> fta: my understanding when we left it last was that you were going to request some new imports, have you done that?
[22:29] <quentusrex> mwhudson: then how do I get my code that is on launchpad into a deb on launch pad?
[22:29] <mwhudson> (or was your expectation different?)
[22:29] <quentusrex> I've imported the code to launch pad. I'll test it out
[22:30] <mwhudson> quentusrex: by uploading the code to the ppa
[22:30] <quentusrex> I'd rather do things the ubuntu way.
[22:30] <fta> mwhudson, not yet. been busy with something else.
[22:30] <quentusrex> mwhudson: is there a howto on that?
[22:30] <mwhudson> quentusrex: unfortunately there's no relation (yet!) between hosting your code on launchpad and packaging it for ubuntu
[22:30] <mwhudson> quentusrex: yes, let me dig
[22:30] <mwhudson> fta: ok
[22:30] <thumper> quentusrex: uploading the code to a ppa is the ubuntu way :)
[22:31] <mwhudson> quentusrex: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[22:31] <thumper> quentusrex: there is magic planned (somewhere down the long and twisted way) to hook up code in branches with PPAs
[22:31] <quentusrex> So, what works right now?
[22:31] <quentusrex> I saw something about upload the source package.
[22:32] <mwhudson> yes, that's what you do
[22:32] <quentusrex> is there a how to for that?
[22:33] <mwhudson> quentusrex: the link i pasted should get you started
[22:36] <quentusrex> can I connect to my launch pad account (the code repo) through svn?
[22:37] <mwhudson> no
[22:37] <mwhudson> you can use bzr-svn to interoperate between bzr and svn, but you have to run it yourself, it's not a service we provide
[22:52] <quentusrex> I'll just run my own svn.
[22:52] <quentusrex> and have launchpad pull from that.
[22:57] <ruthgard> Thanks for the help
[22:58] <ruthgard> managed to add my project and make a release
[22:58] <ruthgard> with downloads
[22:58] <mwhudson> ruthgard: well done :)
[22:59] <ruthgard> I am not sure if its the right place to put it tho :)
[22:59] <ruthgard> after looking in to what other projects are there
[23:00] <ruthgard> But thats for the future to tell :)
[23:52]  * mwhudson off for lunch, back in an hour or so