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| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Mobile Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | 02 Dec 23:00: Forum Council | 15 Dec 19:00: LoCo Council | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | ||
| lool | hey | 11:59 |
| lool | meeting? | 12:02 |
| lool | ogra | 12:03 |
| ogra | yep | 12:03 |
| ogra | #startmeeting | 12:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 06:04. The chair is ogra. | 12:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 12:04 |
| lool | ogra: Only the two of us so far | 12:04 |
| ogra | not true :) | 12:04 |
| ogra | StevenK, just joined | 12:04 |
| lool | Oh right, I'm hiding joins here now | 12:04 |
| StevenK | Did not | 12:04 |
| ogra | but it will be only us three | 12:05 |
| lool | No wiki page I'm afraid | 12:05 |
| ogra | davidm should be up to his ears in turkey now and persia is vacating heavily i hope | 12:05 |
| lool | Yup | 12:05 |
| ogra | right, no wikipage | 12:06 |
| lool | I have a couple of topics I couldn't add to the agenda | 12:06 |
| lool | But it's basically about UDS sessions | 12:06 |
| ogra | shoot then, since we dont seem to have anything special anyway | 12:06 |
| lool | There are a couple of ideas I didn't add as bps | 12:06 |
| lool | Or merged into a single discussion | 12:07 |
| lool | One is about lpia | 12:07 |
| ogra | (got a topic name for the bot ?) | 12:07 |
| lool | [topic] uds sessions | 12:07 |
| lool | Or optional uds sessions | 12:07 |
| lool | s/optional/possible | 12:07 |
| ogra | [topic] optional uds sessions | 12:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: optional uds sessions | 12:07 |
| lool | Ok | 12:07 |
| ogra | to late :) | 12:08 |
| lool | So one thing is I merged the "tool to upgrade from one arch to another" session into "lpia versus i386" which is about whether we keep lpia | 12:08 |
| StevenK | I've been thinking about that. | 12:08 |
| StevenK | I think we want a session to discuss lpia? | 12:08 |
| lool | Do you people think we should have two sessions on the two subjects, or that it's ok to proceed like this? | 12:08 |
| lool | StevenK: I filed an i386-vs-lpia one | 12:09 |
| ogra | i wonder if we really should discuss keep/drop of lpia | 12:09 |
| ogra | i think it would run fine alongside the existing x86 arch if we wouldnt have to touch any packages at all for lpia specifics | 12:09 |
| lool | ogra: At the very least, there's quite a list of tasks to gather if we decide to drop lpia | 12:09 |
| ogra | since in the end lpia boils down to toolchan and kernel optimizations only | 12:10 |
| ogra | the archive should solve tself if you take out the hildonization tasks | 12:10 |
| lool | Yes, but it needs maintenance over source packages: we have modified some debian packages to add lpia and new packages will be added | 12:10 |
| lool | ogra: Agreed | 12:11 |
| ogra | right, but thats the only task left | 12:11 |
| StevenK | lool: The kernel team might kill us | 12:11 |
| lool | ogra: But if lpia is not significantly faster, don't you think we should drop it? | 12:11 |
| ogra | so it might make sense to leave it idle and just make sure we rip out the specific hack/patches | 12:11 |
| lool | I heard many complaints about lpia in the kernel and OEM teams | 12:11 |
| ogra | well, we should determine how much work is actually left if its only archive admininstration for a self running arch | 12:12 |
| lool | To be honest, I don't think the kernel concerns would go away if we dropped lpia | 12:12 |
| ogra | i.e. adding Arch: lpia to packages | 12:12 |
| ogra | the archive itself shouldnt need much maintenance | 12:12 |
| lool | ogra: Running the buildds, giving back packages etc.; I think it ends up amounting to some expense to run the arch; cdimage is short on space too, and it's not clear why we'd buy a seed for this or that arch | 12:13 |
| StevenK | This should be discussed at UDS ... :-) | 12:13 |
| lool | say, why don't we have desktop lpia images and no i386 mid image | 12:13 |
| lool | StevenK: Good point | 12:13 |
| ogra | StevenK, well, we need to find a base for discussion :) but yes, detalis should be at UDS | 12:14 |
| lool | So my gut feeling is that we might lean towards dropping lpia; but in all cases: do we want to discuss the arch conversion separately or as part of lpia vs i386 discussions? | 12:14 |
| StevenK | I'm happy that it's spec'd. | 12:14 |
| StevenK | Let's discuss that during the time slot | 12:14 |
| * ogra would merge it | 12:14 | |
| StevenK | If we have the time to do it then, do it then | 12:14 |
| lool | http://wiki.debian.org/ArchTakeover | 12:14 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.debian.org/ArchTakeover | 12:14 |
| lool | Ok, then it's merged | 12:14 |
| StevenK | If not | 12:14 |
| ogra | ... we'll have another slot :) | 12:15 |
| StevenK | Right | 12:15 |
| StevenK | We can always reschedule it again | 12:15 |
| ogra | oh, sweet, you cover arm vs armel there as well :) | 12:15 |
| lool | the other thing I wanted to ask is about a hildon session; I wanted to have one but the hildon schedule slipped a little | 12:16 |
| * ogra likes that | 12:16 | |
| ogra | you mean upstream ? | 12:16 |
| lool | Still they announced a SDK in november as planned | 12:16 |
| lool | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/b417b43eb57011dd9edafbe56a658d758d75/ | 12:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/b417b43eb57011dd9edafbe56a658d758d75/ | 12:16 |
| lool | Yes | 12:16 |
| lool | Also, we usually don't discuss packaging of new GNOMEs, so I wasn't sure whether we wanted a session on the new hildon | 12:16 |
| ogra | well, to get an overview it would help | 12:17 |
| ogra | the clutter integration etc are big steps upstream | 12:17 |
| lool | Ok; so perhaps I should add a bp for a discussion around hildon 2.2 | 12:17 |
| ogra | would make sense to have some time to look into that ... informational though | 12:17 |
| lool | That's all I had for UDS sessions | 12:18 |
| ogra | do we have any plans for mid on arm ? should we discuss something like that ? | 12:18 |
| ogra | existing devices usually only have 128M ... people that have such thingies wont use ubuntu-desktop on tehm | 12:19 |
| ogra | (nor -umpc which is similar resource greedy) | 12:19 |
| ogra | mid sees the only official setup we can provide for such devices atm | 12:20 |
| ogra | though our arm work isnt focused on mobile at all | 12:20 |
| lool | ogra: Oh right, I mentionned that on IRC | 12:20 |
| lool | and didn't bring it up formally here | 12:20 |
| lool | For armel, I know we aim at building desktop, and perhaps server images | 12:21 |
| ogra | right, thats what i mean | 12:21 |
| lool | Even if I'm not sure how useful the former will be on the RAM constraints | 12:21 |
| lool | But we didn't discuss porting of other images yet | 12:21 |
| lool | It'd seem most useful to offer the mid/mobile/umpc/netbook images on armel! | 12:21 |
| ogra | the packages will be there anywaay | 12:21 |
| ogra | shoud be cheap to roll (inofficial at least) images | 12:22 |
| lool | This is going to be across the ubuntu-mobile and ubuntu-arm efforts, I think these complement themselves well here | 12:22 |
| lool | ogra: Well it's probably easy to enable them but what about testing and cdimage space? | 12:22 |
| lool | I think we were stretched thing on testing for intrepid and fear it will worsen if we try to test armel images on multiple hardware | 12:23 |
| ogra | cdimage doesnt cost much afaik, releases.u.c is the expensive part | 12:23 |
| lool | And what about image build time? is that a concern nowadays? | 12:23 |
| ogra | well, thats why i said unofficial :) | 12:23 |
| ogra | i doubt that it affects the builds ... | 12:24 |
| lool | I don't like releasing more images if we don't QA them; the value is in the quality of the result IMHO | 12:24 |
| ogra | it will affect the arm specific machines only | 12:24 |
| StevenK | releases isn't expensive | 12:24 |
| ogra | the heavy part is the livefs building | 12:24 |
| lool | ogra: AIUI, we need to build the livecd-rootfs on the buildds | 12:24 |
| ogra | StevenK, in terms of mirroring | 12:24 |
| lool | And it takes a while on i386 due to the number of images (IIUC) | 12:24 |
| ogra | we cant build arm livefs'es on the x86 buildds | 12:25 |
| ogra | thats what i mean | 12:25 |
| lool | StevenK: Not sure all mirrors can carry many more cd images | 12:25 |
| ogra | livefs builds will only hog arm machines | 12:25 |
| ogra | whoops, firefox crashed on me | 12:25 |
| lool | ogra: Precisely, but if the arm machines are slower, there might be a concern that building all images take 3 days (I'm exagerating of course) | 12:26 |
| lool | *exaggerating | 12:26 |
| ogra | well, if they are not rebuildign the whole archive they should be fine i assume | 12:26 |
| lool | Like if we need to reroll them like we had for the intrepid release | 12:26 |
| ogra | we should probably discuss and define a testphase at uds for this | 12:27 |
| ogra | helps also to get estimates for the normal images | 12:27 |
| lool | what do you mean with testphase? | 12:27 |
| ogra | build additional images for one or two alphas and measure times and loads | 12:27 |
| ogra | and the time we actually need to invest | 12:28 |
| lool | Oh ok | 12:28 |
| lool | Sure | 12:28 |
| ogra | and make a decision based on these numbers | 12:28 |
| lool | Is this something we want an UDS session on? | 12:28 |
| ogra | we should discuss it there, not necessarily something we need to book a session for imho | 12:29 |
| lool | Hmm ok | 12:29 |
| ogra | "dinner session" | 12:29 |
| ogra | :) | 12:29 |
| lool | Ah I have another unrelated topic | 12:29 |
| lool | Just a reminder that next week will be december | 12:30 |
| ogra | it think if we decide to have it and need to make plans we can schedule a session ad hoc | 12:30 |
| lool | I think StevenK is the next secretary -- correct? | 12:30 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:30 |
| lool | StevenK: roger? | 12:30 |
| ogra | i only have one set of ARs ahead :) phew ... | 12:30 |
| * lool will go for February muahahah | 12:30 | |
| ogra | december will be mostly nothing | 12:30 |
| lool | StevenK: Do you copy? | 12:31 |
| ogra | UDS ... christmas break | 12:31 |
| lool | I think we're losing StevenK | 12:31 |
| StevenK | Hm? | 12:31 |
| StevenK | I am? | 12:31 |
| StevenK | Sorry | 12:31 |
| lool | StevenK: I think so? persia wanted January | 12:31 |
| lool | (IIRC) | 12:31 |
| StevenK | Sounds right to me | 12:31 |
| ogra | StevenK, take it, its the easiest month :) | 12:32 |
| lool | Okay I don't have anything to bring up today | 12:32 |
| lool | +more | 12:32 |
| ogra | me neither | 12:32 |
| lool | Let's close at 13:31 | 12:32 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:32 |
| lool | It's a 1331 time | 12:32 |
| ogra | going once | 12:32 |
| ogra | going twice ... | 12:32 |
| ogra | gong ... adjourned ... | 12:32 |
| ogra | #endmeeting | 12:33 |
| lool | ogra: thanks for chairing | 12:33 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 06:33. | 12:33 |
| ogra | bah that was 1333 | 12:33 |
| StevenK | I suspect no meeting next week, or the week after? | 12:33 |
| * ogra is travelling | 12:33 | |
| lool | Likely not indeed | 12:33 |
| ogra | do we all come to fosscamp ? | 12:34 |
| lool | StevenK: Problem is that while we'd have the time to, we're actually just before, just after, or in the middle of travel and also the times are crazy for west coast | 12:34 |
| lool | We could move the irc meeting to friday and some decent local time? | 12:34 |
| ogra | lets discuss with david at UDS :) | 12:34 |
| ogra | next week looks like we're all in the air anyway | 12:35 |
| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | 02 Dec 23:00: Forum Council | 15 Dec 19:00: LoCo Council | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | ||
| Koon | Anyone around for the Java team meeting ? | 14:00 |
| Koon | I guess not. | 14:06 |
| Koon | OK, let's call the Java meeting off, for lack of participants. Next meeting will be Thu, Dec 4, 1400 UTC. | 14:08 |
| Koon | (and happy Thanksgiving) | 14:09 |
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