[00:30] I have a question [00:31] Is there a way to change order of operating systems listed on bootup? [00:31] so the timer is set on a different OS? [00:31] Conmiro, see /boot/grub/menu.lst [00:32] ok thanks [00:32] what I edit [00:32] please read lines 7-8 [00:32] ok [00:33] i dont understand [00:33] the menu items are numbered; 0 for the first item, 1 for second etc. [00:34] ok [00:34] change the line "default 0" to be "default anynumber" [00:34] ok [00:34] so if its the 4th one its number 4? [00:34] nope. [00:34] "Numbering starts from 0" [00:35] ok [00:35] so its 3? [00:35] yes. [00:35] gotcha [00:35] :D [00:35] thanks [00:35] i try to save [00:35] and it says cant open file to write [00:35] you need to open the file with sudo [00:36] how [00:36] is that an app? [00:36] alt+f2 -> "gksudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst" [00:36] ok [00:37] let me test it [00:44] whats the command again? [00:44] turns out it IS number 4..... [00:44] alt+f2 -> "gksudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst" [00:44] number 3 is the text: "Other Operating Systems" [00:44] lol [00:44] How u type so fast??? [00:44] press up and enter :P [00:45] cheater [00:45] not really. [00:45] lol [00:45] cheater [00:45] cheater [00:45] cheater [00:45] cheater [00:45] cheater [00:45] wow [00:45] useful for spamming... That's bad [00:45] please stop flooding... [00:45] I know [00:45] Ive got another problem [00:45] I cant seem to delete a file [00:45] which file? [00:46] says i dont got priveleges.... [00:46] um /opt/lampp [00:46] well try "sudo rm /path/to/file" in terminal [00:46] ok.. [00:47] cannot remove /opt/lampp is a directory.... [00:47] I want to delete the whole thing [00:47] are you sure you want to remove it? [00:47] completely [00:47] "sudo rm -rf /opt/lampp" [00:48] not doing anything [00:48] mabey it did.... [00:48] it did [00:48] maybe... ;) [00:48] lol [00:49] i installed another version of lampp using package manager [00:49] and im not sure where its dir is... [00:49] can u help me? [00:49] you can search with catfish? [00:49] ok [00:49] what i search [00:49] lampp? [00:50] probably yes, if you want to find "lampp" :P [00:50] where [00:50] lampp is a package of files to instal [00:50] theres no folder called lampp [00:50] just installs linux apache mercur php..... [00:50] and filezilla [00:50] aha. [00:51] so what dir you want? [00:51] the place where u place files for dir [00:51] i mean [00:51] public [00:52] theres a file there aready that says "it works!" [00:52] /var/www [00:52] i tried my ip and it came up [00:52] ok [00:52] smarty..... [00:52] but read the guide [00:52] why [00:52] what guide [00:52] !lamp [00:52] LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+) [00:52] oh [00:52] I know how aready [00:52] question [00:53] I have the server setup on my windows xp os [00:53] and was wondering [00:53] if I can use some type of mabey shortcut so my files from xp show up in www on xubuntu? [00:53] !ntfs [00:53] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE [00:53] I aready know how to view the files from my old os, how do I create some type of file jump or something? [00:54] also how can I make my account root so I dont have to keep typing in some wierd cmd command? [00:54] just change apache's root directory, I guess, that would be the simplest [00:54] ok [00:54] you shouldn't [00:54] ok [00:55] how i change apaches root dir? [00:55] gksu mousepad /etc/apache2/apache2.conf [00:56] thats what I thought.... [00:57] what part [00:57] just search for 'root' [00:57] Conmiro, you might want to read the apache documentation :P [00:57] its fine [00:57] um [00:57] server root is not set to var/www...... [00:58] ServerRoot "/etc/apache2" [00:58] what is it set to? [00:58] fun [00:58] ? [00:58] anyways, you can set it to any directory you want [00:58] ok [00:58] but how set to dir on another partition [00:58] omg [00:58] just reload apache config after you do [00:58] my other partition disapeared from file manager [00:58] !fstab [00:58] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [00:59] !windows [00:59] For discussion on Microsoft Windows, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents [00:59] type that? [00:59] argh, not that [00:59] oh [00:59] Conmiro: it tells you how to make your windows partition always be mounted at specific place in your filesystem [00:59] ok [00:59] il read [00:59] Conmiro: so that youw web server can access it [01:00] ? [01:00] oh [01:00] ok [01:00] http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 link does not load [01:00] ignore it [01:00] you want https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab [01:00] !partitions [01:00] For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted or !QTParted - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap [01:00] woot! you can't ignore bug #1 ;) [01:00] knome: observe [01:01] ......................... [01:01] too many messages [01:01] what do I do first?? [01:01] Conmiro: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#File System Specific Examples [01:02] Conmiro: there is one example for ntfs [01:02] ok [01:02] Conmiro: but it won't hurt to read the whole page [01:02] at least skim it [01:03] 2am, gotta go sleep, good luck [01:03] 3am :P [01:03] ok [01:23] om [01:23] touched by an angel is soooo sad [01:23] anyone seen it? [01:23] #xubuntu-offtopic please:P [01:23] sorry [01:26] the guy that touches his face is the angel of death [01:26] u watching? [01:26] -offtopic please... .P [01:27] huh [01:27] oh wrong screen [01:29] whats the folder for mounting os's? [01:30] ? [01:31] anyone know? [01:31] what the folder is for mounting OS's? [01:32] what do you mean? [01:33] the file [01:33] to [01:33] do it [01:33] i don't understand what you are trying to ask [01:34] isint there some file you edit to fjad? [01:34] idk.... [01:34] woot? [01:34] :) [01:34] forget it [01:34] k. [01:34] good night. [01:48] Hello. I want to install xubuntu 8.10 into a PC that has a dual boot system, XP and SuSE 10, may I overwrite Suse and install Xubuntu in this partition? [02:14] There someone? [02:14] juanantonio: you may if you wish, yes. [02:19] I fell down [02:33] <3 Xubuntu [03:54] Hello, all. [03:55] Any advice on how I can take a screenshot on my 1680x1050 desktop and it not be nearly 3MB? :-\ [04:00] hey guys, could anyone answer some questions about choosing between ubuntu and xubuntu? [04:01] Xubuntu, hands down. ;-) [04:01] haha [04:01] J/K, shoot. [04:01] Well, I'm relatively new to linux [04:01] and I'm probably going to get an Acer Aspire One for christmas [04:01] personally, id go with Xubuntu then [04:02] and, I'd really like to install an ubuntu distro on it, but I've never really had much experience with XFCE [04:02] Xfce is much lighter/faster than GNOME or KDE. [04:02] i have a friend that's majoring in computer information systems, and has his own linux box but he hasn't been able to offer much in the way of advice since he's prefers gnome [04:02] Especially on more frugal hardware. [04:03] yeah, I've just heard 8.10 is kind of slow running gnome apps [04:03] is that true? [04:03] Not for me. And I'm on an old 1.8GHz with 512MB RAM. [04:03] OLD. [04:03] :-) [04:03] haha [04:04] what's the main differences between gnome and xfce? [04:04] what are* [04:04] I also have Xubuntu 8.10 on a Pentium II box at work with 256MB RAM and it's quite a bit quicker than 8.04 was. [04:06] politico: i have a small netbook computer as well (the Asus EEE PC, 4GB solid state drive, 512MB ram) and I've found Xubuntu to run better on that, as opposed to Ubuntu (GNOME) [04:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments [04:06] hey! now that's just the article I've been trying to find :D [04:07] Note: GNOME is ~ 180MB while Xfce is ~ 15MB!!! [04:07] i keep finding these kde/gnome comparisons [04:07] wow, that is a big difference [04:07] Really is. [04:07] Then again, there's always Blackbox. ;-) [04:07] likeminded: is that on disk, or in RAM? [04:07] (Anybody have advice for my question earlier?) [04:07] likemindead: I'm typing this into a window managed by Blackbox ;-) [04:08] NICE! [04:08] * ball missed the question [04:08] likemindead: haha, a little too minimalist for me [04:08] I'm from Amarillo, TX, where Blackbox's invertor is from! [04:08] on startup, i choose GNOME, Xfce or Fluxbox based on my level of patience that day :-D [04:08] likemindead: hey, I'm from west texas too! small world [04:08] If you see him, buy him a coffee. I'll reimburse you when we meet next. [04:09] My question was, how do I take a screenshot of my 1680x1050 desktop without it being nearly 3MB? :-\ [04:09] likemindead: png ftw [04:09] Small world, indeed. [04:09] They are .png! ??? [04:09] By default. [04:09] greyscale png for the double-win [04:10] Yeah, I have to scale them down to 1280x600 and they're still over 1MB. Why is that? [04:10] And then I lose a lot of quality. [04:11] You'll lose quality if you scale them. [04:11] likemindead: can you email me one? [04:12] ...or stick it on imagebin or something? [04:12] Sure. [04:12] has anyone been able to compare Linux Mint w/ XFCE and Xubuntu? [04:13] Heh... imagebin has a max size of 1MB.... [04:13] likemindead: aball@students.prairiestate.edu [04:14] Let's see, that would be 5.3 Mbytes uncompressed. [04:14] my resolution is 1440x900, when I used scrot to take a screenshot the resulting PNG file is under 300k [04:14] ...so 3 Mbytes isn't /too/ bad. [04:14] * ball breaks out the GIMP [04:15] scrot, eh? [04:15] ya, its command line, but i mapped it to the Print Screen button [04:16] Y [04:16] so i just hit the print screen button and the image appears in my home directory [04:16] (Wrong window!) [04:17] Colour screenshot: 33 Kbytes. Greyscale: 20 Kbytes [04:17] Hmm... so why are mine coming up so dang big using the default "Take Screenshot" app? [04:17] let me try the take screenshot app, one sec [04:18] M'kay. [04:18] 260k [04:18] i dunno... [04:18] ?! [04:18] I'm really confused. [04:18] It shouldn't have anything to do with the size of the wallpaper, should it? [04:19] ahh, maybe [04:19] Hrm... [04:19] let me try screenshoting something more color intensive [04:19] likemindead: does Xubuntu come with fewer apps upon the initial install than Ubuntu does? [04:19] Yes. [04:19] It's meant to be more lightweight, overall. [04:19] http://imagebin.ca/img/fUk-LFb.png [04:20] Blackbox, always FTW! [04:20] likemindead: wallpaper will make the screenshot less compressible [04:20] I see. [04:20] (more changes of colour, more bytes). [04:20] likemindead: 1.6MB with a fancy wallpaper [04:20] The wallpaper I'm using is 1.3MB.... [04:21] likemindead: try it without the wallpaper [04:21] Will do. [04:22] 135.2kB [04:22] Ha... [04:23] there's your answer ;) [04:24] http://imagebin.org/32294 [04:25] I had wondered if it was the wallpaper. Should've done some simple trial & error... [04:25] G'nite, all. ^_^ === wormsxulla is now known as wormsxulla_ === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [07:38] Does the new ati drivers support xorg 7.4 [07:38] i was under the impression that it didnt? [08:27] can anyone tell me why firefox is changeing the workspace wwhen opening a link from another application? [08:28] That's a good question, because I noticed that yesterday [08:28] There's apparently no way to tell the window to stay on some specific space [08:28] yeah [08:29] the fault is firefoxes [08:29] hold on [08:29] also on start everything ends up on workspace 1 [08:29] ah [08:29] so then it's the badbad firefox ;( [08:29] http://blog.cihar.com/archives/2008/11/13/firefox_hidden_config_of_the_day/ [08:29] * Kred takes out the whip [08:30] Easy fix :) [08:31] WOOHOO! :) [08:31] thx Myrtti [08:31] atari: np === ooglbutte is now known as ooglebutte [08:43] now only bluetooth is missing ;) [08:47] Does the new ati drivers support xorg 7.4 [08:47] i was under the impression that it didnt? [11:03] hello [11:03] whenever I try to install eclipse, it tries to pull in all the gcj stuff [11:04] but I have sun's java (jre and jdk) [11:04] any idea if it's possible to get eclipse without the gcj? [11:08] I don't, sorry. But I was wondering if Shade/Unshade can be done via keyboard [11:08] If it's possible then I don't have to use mouse [11:09] Kred, well you can shade/unshade by scrolling the mouse over title at least [11:12] Kred, alt+f9 [11:13] Kred, you can change that in settings manager -> window manager -> tab keyboard [11:14] Almindor, do you have other java compiler installed? [11:14] knome, yes, 32bit one from sun (I plan to use GWT) [11:14] knome, but I chose 64bit one in galternatives [11:15] Almindor, i suppose you need to compile eclipse yourself then if you want to use other compiler [11:17] knome, well I can always set the jre/jdk to be used for project, I just wanted to avoid pulling in gcj [11:17] yeah well... [11:18] if things should work easily for newbies, things can't be overconfigurable :) [11:19] IMHO sun's java should be used by default [11:19] gcj is horrid [11:20] poke the motus ;) [11:21] it will not be used by default until it's fully open source [11:22] Myrtti, :] [11:22] just a cold, sad fact. [11:22] isn't openjdk already? [11:23] Almindor: but you've installed sun-java... [11:23] * knome hugs Myrtti [11:23] bye everybody. have fun using xubuntu! [11:23] oooh, snail-mail arrived [11:24] Myrtti, oh right ibex has openjdk.. but then why isn't it default? :P [11:32] knome: holly cow it works! Thanks mate [11:38] knome, btw. any idea how to tell the xkb plugin to change language on alt+shift? [11:55] heyas guys [12:04] i have 2 xubuntu boxeswich authenticate users against ldap/ad. And 1 box with a NFS share: the directory "homeshare" is exported... and the 2 xubuntu's have the NFS share mounted with fstab: 10.10.10.10:/homeshare /home/homeshare nfs...etc etc works great, however when i login with a freshly created user for xubuntu box 1. the home folder /home/homeshare/username is made. but if o log on from the other xub [12:47] I have my /home folder on a nfs share.. and i have 2 xubuntu boxes .. the users have same uid etc.. but when i login form the 2 computers, the one cretaes a home folder like /home/USERNAME and the other makes /home /username 1 uses capital letters and the other dont... how can i make both computers use the same /home/username folder? [13:06] I was wondering if there's a way to make windows automatically resize when focus changes? If they all are like fullscreen I think it would be nice to have them shade accordingly. Or would that be retarded? [13:06] There's a lot of screen action for such a simple function after all.. [13:07] I have my /home folder on a nfs share.. and i have 2 xubuntu boxes .. the users have same uid etc.. but when i login form the 2 computers, the one cretaes a home folder like /home/USERNAME and the other makes /home /username 1 uses capital letters and the other dont... how can i make both computers use the same /home/username folder? [13:10] generalsnus: earlier you said you use ldap/ad. If it's AD (not sure if it's with ldap too) then it creates, if I remember correctly, username with capitals. [13:15] Kred: i found out that 1 of the xubuntu boxes, was installed with 8.04 and recently uppgraded to 8.10.. and the other box was freshly installed with 8.10.. i also made 2 new users in AD, if i logon the new user from the fresh box, the home folder is created with capitals... new user with the old box, the home folder is created with small letters... there most be some config file that decides this somhow [13:15] Sounds like that [13:16] Out of topic: what do you use for AD authentication? [13:16] so what config file decides how home folders are created and such? [13:16] w2k3 server [13:16] I meant on the client side [13:17] I don't know about the config files. I never played around with such settings [13:19] i use Likewise-open for authentication... its like 2-3 clicks and done.. quit easy [13:20] Yes I know. I used that one too and I did notice on 8.04 the capital letters thing. I'd recommend to look answers from likewise's homepage [13:21] think its likewise related? [13:23] I suspect it's on the configuration files of it, yes [13:27] hm.. tried to search .. dosent seem to find anything related [13:58] anyone familiar with Mailbox watcher? [14:00] anyone know how to make a shortcut out of Evolution? [14:04] anyone have used Mailwatcher launcher [14:05] Mailwatch Launcher [14:08] knome have U used Mailwatcher [14:09] I am trying to set up a launcher Mailbox Watcher but having some trouble with the parameters [14:14] Please If anyone can help out I would greatly appreciate it [14:22] Mooch: hi [14:22] Mooch: what are you trying to do? [14:23] it sounds like you just want to put "evolution" in the "Run on click" field === gabkdlly is now known as gabkdlly|away [14:37] Hi. I got Intrepid Xubuntu CDLive running in a PC with SuSE 10. Is it possible to see the files contained in SuSE from Xubuntu Live? [14:38] most likely [14:42] Well, I cannot see them [14:43] I mean, in GParted, I can see them, but in Thunar I cannot [14:44] my easy menu in xubuntu has disappeared, how do i get it back? [14:45] I musto, I return later [14:51] gabkdlly yes [14:51] gabkdlly|away: yes that is what I'm trying to do [14:52] sorry had to step out for a sec [14:53] peter there is a command U need to input in the altf2 menu [14:55] xfce4-panel: Peter input this in the command line and it should pop back up [14:55] gabkdlly|away: U still here [15:01] anyone else can help with the Mailwatcher or how can I create a shortcut for evolution? [15:01] thank you mooch! [15:02] Mooch: hi, so my suggestion to put "evolution" in the "Run on click" field did not help? === gabkdlly|away is now known as gabkdlly [15:02] ur welcome had the same problem the other day it sort of freaked me out but I googled the problem don't remember the website off hand [15:03] no gabkdlly it didn't let me post the problem [15:04] what else are you supposed to put in the run on click besides evolution [15:04] that should be enough, but you have to click the icon to run evolution [15:06] gabkdlly: when you edit the mailbox and click on advance if I am using pop3 as my server do I use secure or nonsecure? [15:07] I clicked on secure put getting some errors [15:09] a secure connection was requested but gnutls was not initialised that is the error I am getting [15:10] what sort of security you require depends on your mail service [15:11] according to the help window I am using the correct security for the server I am using [15:12] How do you make a icon for evolution on the desktop [15:12] right click on the desktop [15:13] I tried that and I get the menu list for some odd reason [15:16] Mooch: Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Desktop [15:17] Mooch: check "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop", then right click will work [15:18] hang on [15:18] Mooch: also, Behavior -> uncheck "Show desktop on right click" [15:19] ok let do that [15:20] when I do that and I right click it doesn't do anything [15:20] ok wait a sec [15:22] now my right click won't work [15:26] Mooch: hmmm, beats me then, sorry [15:27] I am running the xfce as my default so its throwing me off big time [15:48] Hello all. Anybody up? [15:48] D-meist: yes [15:49] could you help me with something jarnos? [15:49] D-meist: maybe [15:50]