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nixternaluploaded kde-style-skulpture to debian and will hopefully one day soon sync it to jaunty05:57
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hunger_tWhat is up with the kde 4.2 beta update for jaunty? Did it get stuck?09:32
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danimohey, somebody pinged me?11:52
* Hobbsee waves12:09
Hobbseeso who wants to do a SRU fix to unmangle kde* on lpia?12:10
Hobbseeah, there's already a bug.  cool12:27
* apachelogger runs through the channel screaming13:00
apacheloggerthe networkmanager plasmoid stuff thingy is connecting to wireless13:01
apacheloggerwith authentification that is13:01
* apachelogger hugs everyone and starts crying13:01
* Nightrose looks suspiciously and hugs apachelogger back13:01
Nightroseneed cookies or a captain?13:01
* apachelogger hand cookies to captain sebas13:01
* apachelogger starts updating bindings13:03
* sebas notes that he really wants those cookies13:09
* Nightrose ponders bringing some to FFM13:09
Hobbseeare they choc chip?13:09
NightroseHobbsee: there are others?13:09
apacheloggerHobbsee: they always are13:10
* Hobbsee confiscates them all, and waves the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ around13:10
* Hobbsee munches happily13:10
Hobbseeall gone :P13:10
Hobbseethe cookie monster came :P13:10
Nightrose*sob* even13:11
apacheloggerdub remix13:11
apacheloggerso, I could upload KDE one-by-one and break jaunty, or I could upload KDE all at once and break jaunty until everything is built, or I upload to a ppa and break the systems of those who are using the ppa + jaunty13:11
apacheloggeralternately I could not upload at all because beta2 tagging is in 2 weeks anyway :P13:11
Nightrosenonono please upload13:13
Nightroseand those using ppa and jaunty should know that things will break(TM)13:13
apacheloggerhm, everyone goes vacationing and I have to do all the work -.-13:13
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger13:14
Troubleapachelogger, all the work, and all the credit ;-)13:28
hungerapachelogger: Please go ahead and break my system by uploading new KDE debs:-)14:07
hungerapachelogger: I feel strange with a older kde on my jaunty box than on the intrepid one:-)14:07
hungerAnd I don't have to build KDE by myself then to break my box. That is a huge timesaver for me.14:08
apacheloggerfirst I gotta check out sebas' monster sized cursor14:11
sebasI'm running dualscreen, that helps me not losing it all the time :)14:12
apacheloggersebas: isn't that what the kwin stars are for? ;-)14:13
sebasyeah, but having them enabled all the time (ductape!?!) defeats their purpose14:14
sebasI've only been using this cursor for two days now, and I figured it'd be useful for the screencast14:14
sebasGoing out now14:14
apacheloggerthe stars remind me of cartoons14:17
apacheloggerbig cursor => big mouse => rat = no good14:17
hungerWhat are those stars for by the way?14:19
apacheloggerfinding your mouse, though I think that usecase is made up and it's really just a PoC ;-)14:20
apachelogger_Sime: any thoughts about http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/77749/14:21
ryanakcaXP has the same thing... except they don't have stars...14:21
hungerWow, Sebas glasses must be really thick then... needing those stars with such a *huge* mouse pointer:-)14:22
* apachelogger rofls14:23
apacheloggerusing such a big theme is just awesome14:23
apacheloggerfeels awesome14:24
apacheloggerlooks awesome14:24
apacheloggerit's just awesome14:24
hungerYeap, it makes the screencast almost understandable, even when viewed in the browser.14:24
apacheloggerI really don't get why pykde fails14:26
apacheloggerhunger: 4.1.80 might take longer14:26
apacheloggerwithout bindings built I can't build workspace, whichout that I can't build utils, sdk, plasma-addons...14:26
hungerapachelogger: Longer than what?14:26
apacheloggerthan tonightish14:27
hungerapachelogger: That is OK.14:27
hungerapachelogger: As long as I can see a silver lining on the horizon:-)14:27
hungerI wouldn't have asked if the current mix of 4.1.73 and 4.1.2 was a bit more stable.14:28
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: toys is the quality I would exepct from any package14:31
apacheloggerhunger: in theory the mix should have made things easier14:31
apacheloggerdidn't quite work out14:31
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I believe that one just needed build-dep version bumps14:32
JontheEchidnaluckily for NCommander :P14:32
apacheloggeryeah, still I didn't have to do anything, so I like the quality :P14:33
hungerapachelogger: Well, ping me if you need someone to test stuff or so. I don't mind breaking my system too much and usually know how to fix it again.14:37
apacheloggerhunger: okies :)14:38
_Simeapachelogger: the lastest version PyQt and SIP will most likely fix that problem.14:50
apacheloggerI thought you would say that :(14:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^14:50
apacheloggerwanna give it a shot?14:50
JontheEchidnaScottK: Weren't you looking at a python-qt4 merge earlier or something?14:51
JontheEchidnapython-qt4 is at 4.4.3, so that should be ok14:53
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JontheEchidnaApparently ScottK merged with 4.7.914:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that is qt3?14:55
* JontheEchidna couldn't find anything for qt414:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: anyway, pyqt4 got an update recently14:55
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: sip4-qt3 produces python-sip4 which python-qt4 deps on14:56
apacheloggeryeah, wrong source package name ...\o/ for that14:56
JontheEchidnapoorly named source packages ftl14:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/news/pyqt-44414:57
* Nightrose cries15:07
Nightroseapachelogger: eagles is back...15:07
apacheloggerNightrose: I saw15:07
manchickenWho is "eagles"?15:08
Nightrosesomeone who is excellent at stealing people's time15:08
manchickenOn purpose or out of ignorance?15:09
* Nightrose isn't sure but assumes ignorance15:09
manchickenI'm gonna try to figure out how to do some translations today.15:09
JontheEchidnaeagles took like 4 hours to do a 5 minute package fix15:13
JontheEchidnawith constant guidance15:13
* JontheEchidna pbuilds pyqt 4.4.415:14
manchickenSounds like me when I first started...15:19
Nightrosemanchicken: only that he started about 100 times15:25
* danimo should focus, too. he has like 3-4 things to do and can't finish a single one15:27
rgreening_Sime: ping15:27
_Simergreening: hi15:28
JontheEchidnaHmm, pyqt4 4.4.4 fails in the first patch15:28
rgreening_Sime: hey. I have a q for you.15:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: 4 hours?15:29
apacheloggerIIRC it were 2-3 days15:29
apacheloggereach at least 6 hours works15:30
JontheEchidnayou would probably know better15:30
_Simergreening: well let me have it.15:31
rgreening_Sime: I have a pyKDE4 app, which needs admin rights. I run it via kdesudo. However, doing this, breaks KHelpMenu as it isn't running a full KDE session. I was wondering, is there a proper or semi-good way to make this work? I'd prefer if the KHelpMenu would run stuff as the user (i.e. url and e-mail links).15:31
apacheloggerrgreening: why is the whole app running with admin rights anyway?15:32
apacheloggerI would assume it aggregates a list of changes and applies them once15:32
rgreeningapachelogger: It's a front-end to a firewall app and changes occur as added.15:32
apacheloggermust be a gnome firewall15:33
rgreeningufw is a python fw15:33
rgreeningwhich talks to iptables/netfilter15:33
apacheloggerit shouldn't be necessary to run any gui app with sudo15:33
apacheloggercertain tasks maybe, not the GUI though15:34
rgreeningapachelogger: I need admin to read the config, write the config and add/remove rules15:34
apacheloggerrgreening: that is always weird15:34
apacheloggerwhat is ufw doing then?15:34
rgreeningapachelogger, _Sime: so the question becomes, what's the best/correct way to do this?15:34
rgreeningapachelogger: ufw talks direct to netfilter/iptables in the kernel to provide real time filter rules15:35
_Simergreening: that's not really a python specific question. Anyway, which version of KDE should this work on?15:35
apacheloggeryeah but how does your app relate to ufw if you are minupulating the config yourself?15:35
rgreening_Sime: I'm using pyKDE415:35
rgreeningapachelogger: I was planning on making calls to ufw15:36
rgreening_Sime: so, KDE415:36
* apachelogger finds the approach of ufw very weird15:36
rgreeningapachelogger: not really15:36
_SimeKDE 4.2 might have better support for policykit.15:37
apachelogger<3 policykit15:37
_Simethat is the modern way of doing this kind of thing.15:37
rgreeningapachelogger: I could defer sudo to everytime I need to apply/remove a rule, but that potentially means the user has to enter their password multiple times15:37
apacheloggerrgreening: sudo got caching15:37
rgreeningapachelogger: can you set the session timeout for the duration of the app?15:38
apacheloggerthat doesn't matter because every su call we have is in fact a sudo call and leads to caching15:38
apacheloggerrgreening: the GUI should only be talking to ufw eitherway, and to do that you shouldn't need an advanced permission set at all15:39
apacheloggerufw should handle permission15:39
rgreeningapachelogger: ufw requires admin to run15:39
apacheloggerufw is a daemon I guess?15:39
rgreeningufw us called with some su15:39
rgreeningno, it's an app15:40
apacheloggerI give up that concept is clearly not apachelogger proof15:40
rgreeninge.g.: ufw allow 21/tcp15:40
rgreeningsudo ufw allow 21/tcp15:41
apacheloggerrgreening: that thing must have a lib15:41
rgreeningit has a lot of python files15:41
rgreeningbut none appear to be modules15:42
rgreening_Sime: any suggestions on how to run an app as a user but maybe attach some kpart (or similar) in it run as another user?15:42
JontheEchidnayay, I fixed the patch15:42
JontheEchidnaany  python file can be impoted as a module, right?15:43
_Simergreening: kparts run in-process.15:43
_SimeI guess so.15:44
_Simergreening: does the gnome version of ufw use policykit?15:44
rgreening_Sime: no, it needs to be called with sudo (or similar)15:45
apacheloggerrgreening: how do you call your app exactly?15:46
rgreeningkdesudo app15:46
* JontheEchidna out for half an hour-ish15:47
apacheloggerrgreening: that might in fact not preserve your environment settings15:47
rgreeningno, and if I run it with -E, kde pukes15:48
rgreeningsry, that was with sudo -E I had tried15:48
apacheloggersudo is not made for that kind of stuff15:48
apacheloggerthe whole design is not made for that kind of stuff15:48
* apachelogger wanders of mumbling about the superior design of linux... running apps as different user...15:49
rgreeningit'd be nice if ufw was setuid to admin15:49
rgreeningsetgid I mean15:49
rgreening_Sime: no suggestions15:51
rgreeningbesides policykit15:51
_Simergreening: not really,15:52
* rgreening crys15:52
rgreeningapachelogger, _Sime: I think for now (until I come up with something better), I'll run as normal user, make calls to ufw with kdesudo, and hopefully the caching will be sufficient.16:01
rgreeningapachelogger: does kdesudo reset the cache timer each time make a subsequent call to kdesudo?16:02
apacheloggerrgreening: I think so16:05
manchickenIs there a doc on how to set up a translation environment, and begin doing translations?  For that matter, is there anything that needs translations?16:08
manchickenallee_: Long time no see.16:13
ryanakcaapachelogger: finally getting around to kiosktool, rational is that it's KDE3 and there is no KDE4 version in sight?16:28
apacheloggerryanakca: exactly16:28
ryanakcaapachelogger: thanks16:30
ryanakcaapachelogger: bug 30319316:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 303193 in kiosktool "Please remove kiosktool from Jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30319316:33
apacheloggerReverse Depends:16:35
apachelogger  education-desktop-kde16:35
apachelogger  desktop-profiles16:35
apacheloggerryanakca: the former needs to be updated to KDE 4 as a matter of fact16:35
apacheloggerit recommends kiosktool right now16:35
apacheloggerthe latter suggests it16:35
apacheloggerryanakca: please report bugs against those thingies to get the recommends/suggests fixed16:36
* apachelogger can't ACK otherwise :P16:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how is pyqt coming along?16:36
rgreeningScottK: ping16:37
manchickenHey Tonio_.16:38
apacheloggerryanakca: btw, you shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-archive16:38
ryanakcaapachelogger: Ooops. I based myself on another remove bug :)16:38
manchickenIs it even possible to localize things like default text on the notes plasmoid?16:38
apacheloggerryanakca: you would need a developer ack who then subscribes ubuntu-archive16:39
ryanakcaapachelogger: ah, ok. I'll file the other two bugs and then feel like ack'ing it?16:39
apacheloggerryanakca: well, they need fixing, nothing to ack there, I can confirm them if you want ;-)16:40
ryanakcaapachelogger: is it worth filing a bug report for those two, or can I just give you a debdiff?16:41
apacheloggerryanakca: file a bug, I am to tired to upload today16:41
ryanakcaapachelogger: thanks16:41
apacheloggerryanakca: education-desktop-kde needs much more work than just dropping the kiosktool16:41
manchickenHoly crap VMWare Fusion is sweet.16:44
nixternalhola, como estas16:47
* ryanakca waves to nixternal 16:47
* nixternal checks the status of his Debian packages16:48
nixternalI was hoping to sync the KDE packages, but I can't because they still use the CDBS stuff in their packages16:48
* ryanakca wonders what's wrong with CDBS16:49
nixternalthey still use debian/cdbs/16:50
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: compiling away16:58
_Simemmmm.... turning off the EXA greedy option in xorg.conf improves the system tray icon situation a lot!17:21
DreadKnightaren't people bragging about kde4.2 backport already? xD17:34
nixternalapachelogger: any hints on a debian/watch file for packages on kde-look.org?17:49
nixternalthe package I am working on, the watch file will not work with the developers website because the directory the packages are in are 40317:49
apacheloggernixternal: just not possible17:49
nixternaldidn't think so17:49
apacheloggernixternal: eitherway it is not worth the effort17:50
apacheloggerthey should just change their system to something we can interact with in a sensible way17:50
JontheEchidnapyqt4 is up to QtOpenGL bindings17:55
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: pyqt4 4.4.4 coming your way18:36
nixternalapachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde-style-skulpture19:04
* yuriy is hating the gnome bluetooth applet20:42
manchickenMan, vmware is neat, but not working terribly well today.22:02
manchickenI don't know why it is having such a hard time getting the resolution proper.  KDE looks right, but everything else seems VERY small...22:03
manchickenAnd KDM doesn't seem to want to play well with the same resolution of everything else22:03
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