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| === Guest21988 is now known as santiago-ve | ||
| nixternal | uploaded kde-style-skulpture to debian and will hopefully one day soon sync it to jaunty | 05:57 |
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| === doko__ is now known as doko | ||
| hunger_t | What is up with the kde 4.2 beta update for jaunty? Did it get stuck? | 09:32 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde | ||
| danimo | hey, somebody pinged me? | 11:52 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 12:09 | |
| Hobbsee | so who wants to do a SRU fix to unmangle kde* on lpia? | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah, there's already a bug. cool | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | oh | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | uh | 12:59 |
| * apachelogger runs through the channel screaming | 13:00 | |
| apachelogger | the networkmanager plasmoid stuff thingy is connecting to wireless | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | with authentification that is | 13:01 |
| Hobbsee | \o/ | 13:01 |
| * apachelogger hugs everyone and starts crying | 13:01 | |
| * Nightrose looks suspiciously and hugs apachelogger back | 13:01 | |
| Nightrose | need cookies or a captain? | 13:01 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 13:01 |
| * apachelogger hand cookies to captain sebas | 13:01 | |
| Nightrose | haha | 13:02 |
| * apachelogger starts updating bindings | 13:03 | |
| * sebas notes that he really wants those cookies | 13:09 | |
| * Nightrose ponders bringing some to FFM | 13:09 | |
| Hobbsee | are they choc chip? | 13:09 |
| Nightrose | Hobbsee: there are others? | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: they always are | 13:10 |
| Hobbsee | \o/ | 13:10 |
| * Hobbsee confiscates them all, and waves the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ around | 13:10 | |
| Nightrose | ohnoes.... | 13:10 |
| * Hobbsee munches happily | 13:10 | |
| Nightrose | meanie! | 13:10 |
| Hobbsee | all gone :P | 13:10 |
| Hobbsee | the cookie monster came :P | 13:10 |
| Nightrose | *dob* | 13:10 |
| Nightrose | *sob* even | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | dub remix | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | so, I could upload KDE one-by-one and break jaunty, or I could upload KDE all at once and break jaunty until everything is built, or I upload to a ppa and break the systems of those who are using the ppa + jaunty | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | alternately I could not upload at all because beta2 tagging is in 2 weeks anyway :P | 13:11 |
| Nightrose | nonono please upload | 13:13 |
| Nightrose | and those using ppa and jaunty should know that things will break(TM) | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | hm, everyone goes vacationing and I have to do all the work -.- | 13:13 |
| * Nightrose hugs apachelogger | 13:14 | |
| Trouble | apachelogger, all the work, and all the credit ;-) | 13:28 |
| ryanakca | hehe | 14:00 |
| hunger | apachelogger: Please go ahead and break my system by uploading new KDE debs:-) | 14:07 |
| hunger | apachelogger: I feel strange with a older kde on my jaunty box than on the intrepid one:-) | 14:07 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe^ | 14:08 |
| hunger | And I don't have to build KDE by myself then to break my box. That is a huge timesaver for me. | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | first I gotta check out sebas' monster sized cursor | 14:11 |
| sebas | I'm running dualscreen, that helps me not losing it all the time :) | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | sebas: isn't that what the kwin stars are for? ;-) | 14:13 |
| sebas | yeah, but having them enabled all the time (ductape!?!) defeats their purpose | 14:14 |
| sebas | I've only been using this cursor for two days now, and I figured it'd be useful for the screencast | 14:14 |
| sebas | Going out now | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | the stars remind me of cartoons | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | big cursor => big mouse => rat = no good | 14:17 |
| hunger | What are those stars for by the way? | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | finding your mouse, though I think that usecase is made up and it's really just a PoC ;-) | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | _Sime: any thoughts about http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/77749/ | 14:21 |
| ryanakca | XP has the same thing... except they don't have stars... | 14:21 |
| hunger | Wow, Sebas glasses must be really thick then... needing those stars with such a *huge* mouse pointer:-) | 14:22 |
| * apachelogger rofls | 14:23 | |
| apachelogger | using such a big theme is just awesome | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | feels awesome | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | looks awesome | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | it's just awesome | 14:24 |
| hunger | Yeap, it makes the screencast almost understandable, even when viewed in the browser. | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | I really don't get why pykde fails | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | hunger: 4.1.80 might take longer | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | without bindings built I can't build workspace, whichout that I can't build utils, sdk, plasma-addons... | 14:26 |
| hunger | apachelogger: Longer than what? | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | than tonightish | 14:27 |
| hunger | apachelogger: That is OK. | 14:27 |
| hunger | apachelogger: As long as I can see a silver lining on the horizon:-) | 14:27 |
| hunger | I wouldn't have asked if the current mix of 4.1.73 and 4.1.2 was a bit more stable. | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: toys is the quality I would exepct from any package | 14:31 |
| apachelogger | hunger: in theory the mix should have made things easier | 14:31 |
| apachelogger | didn't quite work out | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I believe that one just needed build-dep version bumps | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | luckily for NCommander :P | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | yeah, still I didn't have to do anything, so I like the quality :P | 14:33 |
| hunger | apachelogger: Well, ping me if you need someone to test stuff or so. I don't mind breaking my system too much and usually know how to fix it again. | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | hunger: okies :) | 14:38 |
| _Sime | apachelogger: the lastest version PyQt and SIP will most likely fix that problem. | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | I thought you would say that :( | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ^ | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | wanna give it a shot? | 14:50 |
| JontheEchidna | sure | 14:51 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Weren't you looking at a python-qt4 merge earlier or something? | 14:51 |
| JontheEchidna | python-qt4 is at 4.4.3, so that should be ok | 14:53 |
| === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian | ||
| JontheEchidna | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sip4-qt3 | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | noooo | 14:55 |
| JontheEchidna | Apparently ScottK merged with 4.7.9 | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | ah | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: that is qt3? | 14:55 |
| * JontheEchidna couldn't find anything for qt4 | 14:55 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: anyway, pyqt4 got an update recently | 14:55 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: sip4-qt3 produces python-sip4 which python-qt4 deps on | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | yeah, wrong source package name ...\o/ for that | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | poorly named source packages ftl | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/news/pyqt-444 | 14:57 |
| * Nightrose cries | 15:07 | |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: eagles is back... | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: I saw | 15:07 |
| manchicken | Who is "eagles"? | 15:08 |
| Nightrose | someone who is excellent at stealing people's time | 15:08 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 15:08 |
| manchicken | On purpose or out of ignorance? | 15:09 |
| * Nightrose isn't sure but assumes ignorance | 15:09 | |
| manchicken | I'm gonna try to figure out how to do some translations today. | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | eagles took like 4 hours to do a 5 minute package fix | 15:13 |
| JontheEchidna | with constant guidance | 15:13 |
| * JontheEchidna pbuilds pyqt 4.4.4 | 15:14 | |
| manchicken | Sounds like me when I first started... | 15:19 |
| Nightrose | manchicken: only that he started about 100 times | 15:25 |
| Nightrose | :( | 15:25 |
| * danimo should focus, too. he has like 3-4 things to do and can't finish a single one | 15:27 | |
| rgreening | _Sime: ping | 15:27 |
| _Sime | rgreening: hi | 15:28 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm, pyqt4 4.4.4 fails in the first patch | 15:28 |
| rgreening | _Sime: hey. I have a q for you. | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: 4 hours? | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | IIRC it were 2-3 days | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | each at least 6 hours works | 15:30 |
| apachelogger | -s | 15:30 |
| JontheEchidna | you would probably know better | 15:30 |
| _Sime | rgreening: well let me have it. | 15:31 |
| rgreening | _Sime: I have a pyKDE4 app, which needs admin rights. I run it via kdesudo. However, doing this, breaks KHelpMenu as it isn't running a full KDE session. I was wondering, is there a proper or semi-good way to make this work? I'd prefer if the KHelpMenu would run stuff as the user (i.e. url and e-mail links). | 15:31 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: why is the whole app running with admin rights anyway? | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | I would assume it aggregates a list of changes and applies them once | 15:32 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: It's a front-end to a firewall app and changes occur as added. | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | must be a gnome firewall | 15:33 |
| rgreening | ufw is a python fw | 15:33 |
| rgreening | which talks to iptables/netfilter | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | it shouldn't be necessary to run any gui app with sudo | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | certain tasks maybe, not the GUI though | 15:34 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I need admin to read the config, write the config and add/remove rules | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: that is always weird | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | what is ufw doing then? | 15:34 |
| rgreening | apachelogger, _Sime: so the question becomes, what's the best/correct way to do this? | 15:34 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: ufw talks direct to netfilter/iptables in the kernel to provide real time filter rules | 15:35 |
| _Sime | rgreening: that's not really a python specific question. Anyway, which version of KDE should this work on? | 15:35 |
| apachelogger | yeah but how does your app relate to ufw if you are minupulating the config yourself? | 15:35 |
| rgreening | _Sime: I'm using pyKDE4 | 15:35 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I was planning on making calls to ufw | 15:36 |
| rgreening | _Sime: so, KDE4 | 15:36 |
| * apachelogger finds the approach of ufw very weird | 15:36 | |
| rgreening | apachelogger: not really | 15:36 |
| _Sime | KDE 4.2 might have better support for policykit. | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | <3 policykit | 15:37 |
| _Sime | that is the modern way of doing this kind of thing. | 15:37 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I could defer sudo to everytime I need to apply/remove a rule, but that potentially means the user has to enter their password multiple times | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: sudo got caching | 15:37 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: can you set the session timeout for the duration of the app? | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | no | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | that doesn't matter because every su call we have is in fact a sudo call and leads to caching | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: the GUI should only be talking to ufw eitherway, and to do that you shouldn't need an advanced permission set at all | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | ufw should handle permission | 15:39 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: ufw requires admin to run | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | ufw is a daemon I guess? | 15:39 |
| rgreening | ufw us called with some su | 15:39 |
| rgreening | no, it's an app | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | I give up that concept is clearly not apachelogger proof | 15:40 |
| rgreening | e.g.: ufw allow 21/tcp | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 15:41 |
| rgreening | sudo ufw allow 21/tcp | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: that thing must have a lib | 15:41 |
| rgreening | it has a lot of python files | 15:41 |
| rgreening | but none appear to be modules | 15:42 |
| rgreening | _Sime: any suggestions on how to run an app as a user but maybe attach some kpart (or similar) in it run as another user? | 15:42 |
| JontheEchidna | yay, I fixed the patch | 15:42 |
| JontheEchidna | any python file can be impoted as a module, right? | 15:43 |
| _Sime | rgreening: kparts run in-process. | 15:43 |
| _Sime | I guess so. | 15:44 |
| _Sime | rgreening: does the gnome version of ufw use policykit? | 15:44 |
| rgreening | _Sime: no, it needs to be called with sudo (or similar) | 15:45 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: how do you call your app exactly? | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | call/start | 15:46 |
| rgreening | kdesudo app | 15:46 |
| * JontheEchidna out for half an hour-ish | 15:47 | |
| apachelogger | rgreening: that might in fact not preserve your environment settings | 15:47 |
| rgreening | no, and if I run it with -E, kde pukes | 15:48 |
| rgreening | sry, that was with sudo -E I had tried | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | sudo is not made for that kind of stuff | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | the whole design is not made for that kind of stuff | 15:48 |
| * apachelogger wanders of mumbling about the superior design of linux... running apps as different user... | 15:49 | |
| rgreening | it'd be nice if ufw was setuid to admin | 15:49 |
| rgreening | setgid I mean | 15:49 |
| rgreening | _Sime: no suggestions | 15:51 |
| rgreening | besides policykit | 15:51 |
| _Sime | rgreening: not really, | 15:52 |
| * rgreening crys | 15:52 | |
| rgreening | apachelogger, _Sime: I think for now (until I come up with something better), I'll run as normal user, make calls to ufw with kdesudo, and hopefully the caching will be sufficient. | 16:01 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: does kdesudo reset the cache timer each time make a subsequent call to kdesudo? | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I think so | 16:05 |
| manchicken | Is there a doc on how to set up a translation environment, and begin doing translations? For that matter, is there anything that needs translations? | 16:08 |
| manchicken | allee_: Long time no see. | 16:13 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: finally getting around to kiosktool, rational is that it's KDE3 and there is no KDE4 version in sight? | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: exactly | 16:28 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: thanks | 16:30 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: bug 303193 | 16:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303193 in kiosktool "Please remove kiosktool from Jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303193 | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | Reverse Depends: | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | education-desktop-kde | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | desktop-profiles | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: the former needs to be updated to KDE 4 as a matter of fact | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | it recommends kiosktool right now | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | the latter suggests it | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: please report bugs against those thingies to get the recommends/suggests fixed | 16:36 |
| * apachelogger can't ACK otherwise :P | 16:36 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: how is pyqt coming along? | 16:36 |
| rgreening | ScottK: ping | 16:37 |
| manchicken | Hey Tonio_. | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: btw, you shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-archive | 16:38 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Ooops. I based myself on another remove bug :) | 16:38 |
| manchicken | Is it even possible to localize things like default text on the notes plasmoid? | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: you would need a developer ack who then subscribes ubuntu-archive | 16:39 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: ah, ok. I'll file the other two bugs and then feel like ack'ing it? | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: well, they need fixing, nothing to ack there, I can confirm them if you want ;-) | 16:40 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: is it worth filing a bug report for those two, or can I just give you a debdiff? | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: file a bug, I am to tired to upload today | 16:41 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: thanks | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: education-desktop-kde needs much more work than just dropping the kiosktool | 16:41 |
| manchicken | Holy crap VMWare Fusion is sweet. | 16:44 |
| nixternal | hola, como estas | 16:47 |
| * ryanakca waves to nixternal | 16:47 | |
| * nixternal checks the status of his Debian packages | 16:48 | |
| nixternal | I was hoping to sync the KDE packages, but I can't because they still use the CDBS stuff in their packages | 16:48 |
| * ryanakca wonders what's wrong with CDBS | 16:49 | |
| nixternal | they still use debian/cdbs/ | 16:50 |
| ryanakca | ah | 16:50 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: compiling away | 16:58 |
| _Sime | mmmm.... turning off the EXA greedy option in xorg.conf improves the system tray icon situation a lot! | 17:21 |
| DreadKnight | aren't people bragging about kde4.2 backport already? xD | 17:34 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: any hints on a debian/watch file for packages on kde-look.org? | 17:49 |
| nixternal | the package I am working on, the watch file will not work with the developers website because the directory the packages are in are 403 | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: just not possible | 17:49 |
| nixternal | didn't think so | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: eitherway it is not worth the effort | 17:50 |
| apachelogger | they should just change their system to something we can interact with in a sensible way | 17:50 |
| JontheEchidna | pyqt4 is up to QtOpenGL bindings | 17:55 |
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| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: pyqt4 4.4.4 coming your way | 18:36 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde-style-skulpture | 19:04 |
| * yuriy is hating the gnome bluetooth applet | 20:42 | |
| manchicken | Man, vmware is neat, but not working terribly well today. | 22:02 |
| manchicken | I don't know why it is having such a hard time getting the resolution proper. KDE looks right, but everything else seems VERY small... | 22:03 |
| manchicken | And KDM doesn't seem to want to play well with the same resolution of everything else | 22:03 |
| === afiestas_out is now known as afiestas | ||
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