=== santiago-pgsql is now known as Guest21988 === Guest21988 is now known as santiago-ve [05:57] uploaded kde-style-skulpture to debian and will hopefully one day soon sync it to jaunty === doko__ is now known as doko [09:32] What is up with the kde 4.2 beta update for jaunty? Did it get stuck? === hunger_t is now known as hunger === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [11:52] hey, somebody pinged me? [12:09] * Hobbsee waves [12:10] so who wants to do a SRU fix to unmangle kde* on lpia? [12:27] ah, there's already a bug. cool [12:59] oh [12:59] uh [13:00] * apachelogger runs through the channel screaming [13:01] the networkmanager plasmoid stuff thingy is connecting to wireless [13:01] with authentification that is [13:01] \o/ [13:01] * apachelogger hugs everyone and starts crying [13:01] * Nightrose looks suspiciously and hugs apachelogger back [13:01] need cookies or a captain? [13:01] ;-) [13:01] * apachelogger hand cookies to captain sebas [13:02] haha [13:03] * apachelogger starts updating bindings [13:09] * sebas notes that he really wants those cookies [13:09] * Nightrose ponders bringing some to FFM [13:09] are they choc chip? [13:09] Hobbsee: there are others? [13:10] Hobbsee: they always are [13:10] \o/ [13:10] * Hobbsee confiscates them all, and waves the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ around [13:10] ohnoes.... [13:10] * Hobbsee munches happily [13:10] meanie! [13:10] all gone :P [13:10] the cookie monster came :P [13:10] *dob* [13:11] *sob* even [13:11] dub remix [13:11] so, I could upload KDE one-by-one and break jaunty, or I could upload KDE all at once and break jaunty until everything is built, or I upload to a ppa and break the systems of those who are using the ppa + jaunty [13:11] alternately I could not upload at all because beta2 tagging is in 2 weeks anyway :P [13:13] nonono please upload [13:13] and those using ppa and jaunty should know that things will break(TM) [13:13] hm, everyone goes vacationing and I have to do all the work -.- [13:14] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [13:28] apachelogger, all the work, and all the credit ;-) [14:00] hehe [14:07] apachelogger: Please go ahead and break my system by uploading new KDE debs:-) [14:07] apachelogger: I feel strange with a older kde on my jaunty box than on the intrepid one:-) [14:08] hehe^ [14:08] And I don't have to build KDE by myself then to break my box. That is a huge timesaver for me. [14:11] first I gotta check out sebas' monster sized cursor [14:12] I'm running dualscreen, that helps me not losing it all the time :) [14:13] sebas: isn't that what the kwin stars are for? ;-) [14:14] yeah, but having them enabled all the time (ductape!?!) defeats their purpose [14:14] I've only been using this cursor for two days now, and I figured it'd be useful for the screencast [14:14] Going out now [14:17] the stars remind me of cartoons [14:17] big cursor => big mouse => rat = no good [14:19] What are those stars for by the way? [14:20] finding your mouse, though I think that usecase is made up and it's really just a PoC ;-) [14:21] _Sime: any thoughts about http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/77749/ [14:21] XP has the same thing... except they don't have stars... [14:22] Wow, Sebas glasses must be really thick then... needing those stars with such a *huge* mouse pointer:-) [14:23] * apachelogger rofls [14:23] using such a big theme is just awesome [14:24] feels awesome [14:24] looks awesome [14:24] it's just awesome [14:24] Yeap, it makes the screencast almost understandable, even when viewed in the browser. [14:26] I really don't get why pykde fails [14:26] hunger: 4.1.80 might take longer [14:26] without bindings built I can't build workspace, whichout that I can't build utils, sdk, plasma-addons... [14:26] apachelogger: Longer than what? [14:27] than tonightish [14:27] apachelogger: That is OK. [14:27] apachelogger: As long as I can see a silver lining on the horizon:-) [14:28] I wouldn't have asked if the current mix of 4.1.73 and 4.1.2 was a bit more stable. [14:31] JontheEchidna: toys is the quality I would exepct from any package [14:31] hunger: in theory the mix should have made things easier [14:31] didn't quite work out [14:32] apachelogger: I believe that one just needed build-dep version bumps [14:32] luckily for NCommander :P [14:33] yeah, still I didn't have to do anything, so I like the quality :P [14:37] apachelogger: Well, ping me if you need someone to test stuff or so. I don't mind breaking my system too much and usually know how to fix it again. [14:38] hunger: okies :) [14:50] <_Sime> apachelogger: the lastest version PyQt and SIP will most likely fix that problem. [14:50] I thought you would say that :( [14:50] JontheEchidna: ^ [14:50] wanna give it a shot? [14:51] sure [14:51] ScottK: Weren't you looking at a python-qt4 merge earlier or something? [14:53] python-qt4 is at 4.4.3, so that should be ok === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian [14:55] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sip4-qt3 [14:55] noooo [14:55] Apparently ScottK merged with 4.7.9 [14:55] ah [14:55] JontheEchidna: that is qt3? [14:55] * JontheEchidna couldn't find anything for qt4 [14:55] JontheEchidna: anyway, pyqt4 got an update recently [14:56] apachelogger: sip4-qt3 produces python-sip4 which python-qt4 deps on [14:56] yeah, wrong source package name ...\o/ for that [14:56] poorly named source packages ftl [14:57] JontheEchidna: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/news/pyqt-444 [15:07] * Nightrose cries [15:07] apachelogger: eagles is back... [15:07] Nightrose: I saw [15:08] Who is "eagles"? [15:08] someone who is excellent at stealing people's time [15:08] Ah. [15:09] On purpose or out of ignorance? [15:09] * Nightrose isn't sure but assumes ignorance [15:09] I'm gonna try to figure out how to do some translations today. [15:13] eagles took like 4 hours to do a 5 minute package fix [15:13] with constant guidance [15:14] * JontheEchidna pbuilds pyqt 4.4.4 [15:19] Sounds like me when I first started... [15:25] manchicken: only that he started about 100 times [15:25] :( [15:27] * danimo should focus, too. he has like 3-4 things to do and can't finish a single one [15:27] _Sime: ping [15:28] <_Sime> rgreening: hi [15:28] Hmm, pyqt4 4.4.4 fails in the first patch [15:29] _Sime: hey. I have a q for you. [15:29] JontheEchidna: 4 hours? [15:29] IIRC it were 2-3 days [15:30] each at least 6 hours works [15:30] -s [15:30] you would probably know better [15:31] <_Sime> rgreening: well let me have it. [15:31] _Sime: I have a pyKDE4 app, which needs admin rights. I run it via kdesudo. However, doing this, breaks KHelpMenu as it isn't running a full KDE session. I was wondering, is there a proper or semi-good way to make this work? I'd prefer if the KHelpMenu would run stuff as the user (i.e. url and e-mail links). [15:32] rgreening: why is the whole app running with admin rights anyway? [15:32] I would assume it aggregates a list of changes and applies them once [15:32] apachelogger: It's a front-end to a firewall app and changes occur as added. [15:33] must be a gnome firewall [15:33] ufw is a python fw [15:33] which talks to iptables/netfilter [15:33] it shouldn't be necessary to run any gui app with sudo [15:34] certain tasks maybe, not the GUI though [15:34] apachelogger: I need admin to read the config, write the config and add/remove rules [15:34] rgreening: that is always weird [15:34] what is ufw doing then? [15:34] apachelogger, _Sime: so the question becomes, what's the best/correct way to do this? [15:35] apachelogger: ufw talks direct to netfilter/iptables in the kernel to provide real time filter rules [15:35] <_Sime> rgreening: that's not really a python specific question. Anyway, which version of KDE should this work on? [15:35] yeah but how does your app relate to ufw if you are minupulating the config yourself? [15:35] _Sime: I'm using pyKDE4 [15:36] apachelogger: I was planning on making calls to ufw [15:36] _Sime: so, KDE4 [15:36] * apachelogger finds the approach of ufw very weird [15:36] apachelogger: not really [15:37] <_Sime> KDE 4.2 might have better support for policykit. [15:37] <3 policykit [15:37] <_Sime> that is the modern way of doing this kind of thing. [15:37] apachelogger: I could defer sudo to everytime I need to apply/remove a rule, but that potentially means the user has to enter their password multiple times [15:37] rgreening: sudo got caching [15:38] apachelogger: can you set the session timeout for the duration of the app? [15:38] no [15:38] that doesn't matter because every su call we have is in fact a sudo call and leads to caching [15:39] rgreening: the GUI should only be talking to ufw eitherway, and to do that you shouldn't need an advanced permission set at all [15:39] ufw should handle permission [15:39] apachelogger: ufw requires admin to run [15:39] ufw is a daemon I guess? [15:39] ufw us called with some su [15:40] no, it's an app [15:40] I give up that concept is clearly not apachelogger proof [15:40] e.g.: ufw allow 21/tcp [15:41] Oo [15:41] sudo ufw allow 21/tcp [15:41] rgreening: that thing must have a lib [15:41] it has a lot of python files [15:42] but none appear to be modules [15:42] _Sime: any suggestions on how to run an app as a user but maybe attach some kpart (or similar) in it run as another user? [15:42] yay, I fixed the patch [15:43] any python file can be impoted as a module, right? [15:43] <_Sime> rgreening: kparts run in-process. [15:44] <_Sime> I guess so. [15:44] <_Sime> rgreening: does the gnome version of ufw use policykit? [15:45] _Sime: no, it needs to be called with sudo (or similar) [15:46] hm [15:46] rgreening: how do you call your app exactly? [15:46] call/start [15:46] kdesudo app [15:47] * JontheEchidna out for half an hour-ish [15:47] rgreening: that might in fact not preserve your environment settings [15:48] no, and if I run it with -E, kde pukes [15:48] sry, that was with sudo -E I had tried [15:48] sudo is not made for that kind of stuff [15:48] the whole design is not made for that kind of stuff [15:49] * apachelogger wanders of mumbling about the superior design of linux... running apps as different user... [15:49] it'd be nice if ufw was setuid to admin [15:49] setgid I mean [15:51] _Sime: no suggestions [15:51] besides policykit [15:52] <_Sime> rgreening: not really, [15:52] * rgreening crys [16:01] apachelogger, _Sime: I think for now (until I come up with something better), I'll run as normal user, make calls to ufw with kdesudo, and hopefully the caching will be sufficient. [16:02] apachelogger: does kdesudo reset the cache timer each time make a subsequent call to kdesudo? [16:05] rgreening: I think so [16:08] Is there a doc on how to set up a translation environment, and begin doing translations? For that matter, is there anything that needs translations? [16:13] allee_: Long time no see. [16:28] apachelogger: finally getting around to kiosktool, rational is that it's KDE3 and there is no KDE4 version in sight? [16:28] ryanakca: exactly [16:30] apachelogger: thanks [16:33] apachelogger: bug 303193 [16:33] Launchpad bug 303193 in kiosktool "Please remove kiosktool from Jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303193 [16:35] Reverse Depends: [16:35] education-desktop-kde [16:35] desktop-profiles [16:35] ryanakca: the former needs to be updated to KDE 4 as a matter of fact [16:35] it recommends kiosktool right now [16:35] the latter suggests it [16:36] ryanakca: please report bugs against those thingies to get the recommends/suggests fixed [16:36] * apachelogger can't ACK otherwise :P [16:36] JontheEchidna: how is pyqt coming along? [16:37] ScottK: ping [16:38] Hey Tonio_. [16:38] ryanakca: btw, you shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-archive [16:38] apachelogger: Ooops. I based myself on another remove bug :) [16:38] Is it even possible to localize things like default text on the notes plasmoid? [16:39] ryanakca: you would need a developer ack who then subscribes ubuntu-archive [16:39] apachelogger: ah, ok. I'll file the other two bugs and then feel like ack'ing it? [16:40] ryanakca: well, they need fixing, nothing to ack there, I can confirm them if you want ;-) [16:41] apachelogger: is it worth filing a bug report for those two, or can I just give you a debdiff? [16:41] ryanakca: file a bug, I am to tired to upload today [16:41] apachelogger: thanks [16:41] ryanakca: education-desktop-kde needs much more work than just dropping the kiosktool [16:44] Holy crap VMWare Fusion is sweet. [16:47] hola, como estas [16:47] * ryanakca waves to nixternal [16:48] * nixternal checks the status of his Debian packages [16:48] I was hoping to sync the KDE packages, but I can't because they still use the CDBS stuff in their packages [16:49] * ryanakca wonders what's wrong with CDBS [16:50] they still use debian/cdbs/ [16:50] ah [16:58] apachelogger: compiling away [17:21] <_Sime> mmmm.... turning off the EXA greedy option in xorg.conf improves the system tray icon situation a lot! [17:34] aren't people bragging about kde4.2 backport already? xD [17:49] apachelogger: any hints on a debian/watch file for packages on kde-look.org? [17:49] the package I am working on, the watch file will not work with the developers website because the directory the packages are in are 403 [17:49] nixternal: just not possible [17:49] didn't think so [17:50] nixternal: eitherway it is not worth the effort [17:50] they should just change their system to something we can interact with in a sensible way [17:55] pyqt4 is up to QtOpenGL bindings === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [18:36] apachelogger: pyqt4 4.4.4 coming your way [19:04] apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde-style-skulpture [20:42] * yuriy is hating the gnome bluetooth applet [22:02] Man, vmware is neat, but not working terribly well today. [22:03] I don't know why it is having such a hard time getting the resolution proper. KDE looks right, but everything else seems VERY small... [22:03] And KDM doesn't seem to want to play well with the same resolution of everything else === afiestas_out is now known as afiestas