[05:57] <nixternal> uploaded kde-style-skulpture to debian and will hopefully one day soon sync it to jaunty
[09:32] <hunger_t> What is up with the kde 4.2 beta update for jaunty? Did it get stuck?
[11:52] <danimo> hey, somebody pinged me?
[12:09]  * Hobbsee waves
[12:10] <Hobbsee> so who wants to do a SRU fix to unmangle kde* on lpia?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ah, there's already a bug.  cool
[12:59] <apachelogger> oh
[12:59] <apachelogger> uh
[13:00]  * apachelogger runs through the channel screaming
[13:01] <apachelogger> the networkmanager plasmoid stuff thingy is connecting to wireless
[13:01] <apachelogger> with authentification that is
[13:01] <Hobbsee> \o/
[13:01]  * apachelogger hugs everyone and starts crying
[13:01]  * Nightrose looks suspiciously and hugs apachelogger back
[13:01] <Nightrose> need cookies or a captain?
[13:01] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:01]  * apachelogger hand cookies to captain sebas
[13:02] <Nightrose> haha
[13:03]  * apachelogger starts updating bindings
[13:09]  * sebas notes that he really wants those cookies
[13:09]  * Nightrose ponders bringing some to FFM
[13:09] <Hobbsee> are they choc chip?
[13:09] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: there are others?
[13:10] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: they always are
[13:10] <Hobbsee> \o/
[13:10]  * Hobbsee confiscates them all, and waves the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ around
[13:10] <Nightrose> ohnoes....
[13:10]  * Hobbsee munches happily
[13:10] <Nightrose> meanie!
[13:10] <Hobbsee> all gone :P
[13:10] <Hobbsee> the cookie monster came :P
[13:10] <Nightrose> *dob*
[13:11] <Nightrose> *sob* even
[13:11] <apachelogger> dub remix
[13:11] <apachelogger> so, I could upload KDE one-by-one and break jaunty, or I could upload KDE all at once and break jaunty until everything is built, or I upload to a ppa and break the systems of those who are using the ppa + jaunty
[13:11] <apachelogger> alternately I could not upload at all because beta2 tagging is in 2 weeks anyway :P
[13:13] <Nightrose> nonono please upload
[13:13] <Nightrose> and those using ppa and jaunty should know that things will break(TM)
[13:13] <apachelogger> hm, everyone goes vacationing and I have to do all the work -.-
[13:14]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[13:28] <Trouble> apachelogger, all the work, and all the credit ;-)
[14:00] <ryanakca> hehe
[14:07] <hunger> apachelogger: Please go ahead and break my system by uploading new KDE debs:-)
[14:07] <hunger> apachelogger: I feel strange with a older kde on my jaunty box than on the intrepid one:-)
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> hehe^
[14:08] <hunger> And I don't have to build KDE by myself then to break my box. That is a huge timesaver for me.
[14:11] <apachelogger> first I gotta check out sebas' monster sized cursor
[14:12] <sebas> I'm running dualscreen, that helps me not losing it all the time :)
[14:13] <apachelogger> sebas: isn't that what the kwin stars are for? ;-)
[14:14] <sebas> yeah, but having them enabled all the time (ductape!?!) defeats their purpose
[14:14] <sebas> I've only been using this cursor for two days now, and I figured it'd be useful for the screencast
[14:14] <sebas> Going out now
[14:17] <apachelogger> the stars remind me of cartoons
[14:17] <apachelogger> big cursor => big mouse => rat = no good
[14:19] <hunger> What are those stars for by the way?
[14:20] <apachelogger> finding your mouse, though I think that usecase is made up and it's really just a PoC ;-)
[14:21] <apachelogger> _Sime: any thoughts about http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/77749/
[14:21] <ryanakca> XP has the same thing... except they don't have stars...
[14:22] <hunger> Wow, Sebas glasses must be really thick then... needing those stars with such a *huge* mouse pointer:-)
[14:23]  * apachelogger rofls
[14:23] <apachelogger> using such a big theme is just awesome
[14:24] <apachelogger> feels awesome
[14:24] <apachelogger> looks awesome
[14:24] <apachelogger> it's just awesome
[14:24] <hunger> Yeap, it makes the screencast almost understandable, even when viewed in the browser.
[14:26] <apachelogger> I really don't get why pykde fails
[14:26] <apachelogger> hunger: 4.1.80 might take longer
[14:26] <apachelogger> without bindings built I can't build workspace, whichout that I can't build utils, sdk, plasma-addons...
[14:26] <hunger> apachelogger: Longer than what?
[14:27] <apachelogger> than tonightish
[14:27] <hunger> apachelogger: That is OK.
[14:27] <hunger> apachelogger: As long as I can see a silver lining on the horizon:-)
[14:28] <hunger> I wouldn't have asked if the current mix of 4.1.73 and 4.1.2 was a bit more stable.
[14:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: toys is the quality I would exepct from any package
[14:31] <apachelogger> hunger: in theory the mix should have made things easier
[14:31] <apachelogger> didn't quite work out
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I believe that one just needed build-dep version bumps
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> luckily for NCommander :P
[14:33] <apachelogger> yeah, still I didn't have to do anything, so I like the quality :P
[14:37] <hunger> apachelogger: Well, ping me if you need someone to test stuff or so. I don't mind breaking my system too much and usually know how to fix it again.
[14:38] <apachelogger> hunger: okies :)
[14:50] <_Sime> apachelogger: the lastest version PyQt and SIP will most likely fix that problem.
[14:50] <apachelogger> I thought you would say that :(
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[14:50] <apachelogger> wanna give it a shot?
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> sure
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Weren't you looking at a python-qt4 merge earlier or something?
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> python-qt4 is at 4.4.3, so that should be ok
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sip4-qt3
[14:55] <apachelogger> noooo
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> Apparently ScottK merged with 4.7.9
[14:55] <apachelogger> ah
[14:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is qt3?
[14:55]  * JontheEchidna couldn't find anything for qt4
[14:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anyway, pyqt4 got an update recently
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sip4-qt3 produces python-sip4 which python-qt4 deps on
[14:56] <apachelogger> yeah, wrong source package name ...\o/ for that
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> poorly named source packages ftl
[14:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/news/pyqt-444
[15:07]  * Nightrose cries
[15:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: eagles is back...
[15:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I saw
[15:08] <manchicken> Who is "eagles"?
[15:08] <Nightrose> someone who is excellent at stealing people's time
[15:08] <manchicken> Ah.
[15:09] <manchicken> On purpose or out of ignorance?
[15:09]  * Nightrose isn't sure but assumes ignorance
[15:09] <manchicken> I'm gonna try to figure out how to do some translations today.
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> eagles took like 4 hours to do a 5 minute package fix
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> with constant guidance
[15:14]  * JontheEchidna pbuilds pyqt 4.4.4
[15:19] <manchicken> Sounds like me when I first started...
[15:25] <Nightrose> manchicken: only that he started about 100 times
[15:25] <Nightrose> :(
[15:27]  * danimo should focus, too. he has like 3-4 things to do and can't finish a single one
[15:27] <rgreening> _Sime: ping
[15:28] <_Sime> rgreening: hi
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, pyqt4 4.4.4 fails in the first patch
[15:29] <rgreening> _Sime: hey. I have a q for you.
[15:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 4 hours?
[15:29] <apachelogger> IIRC it were 2-3 days
[15:30] <apachelogger> each at least 6 hours works
[15:30] <apachelogger> -s
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> you would probably know better
[15:31] <_Sime> rgreening: well let me have it.
[15:31] <rgreening> _Sime: I have a pyKDE4 app, which needs admin rights. I run it via kdesudo. However, doing this, breaks KHelpMenu as it isn't running a full KDE session. I was wondering, is there a proper or semi-good way to make this work? I'd prefer if the KHelpMenu would run stuff as the user (i.e. url and e-mail links).
[15:32] <apachelogger> rgreening: why is the whole app running with admin rights anyway?
[15:32] <apachelogger> I would assume it aggregates a list of changes and applies them once
[15:32] <rgreening> apachelogger: It's a front-end to a firewall app and changes occur as added.
[15:33] <apachelogger> must be a gnome firewall
[15:33] <rgreening> ufw is a python fw
[15:33] <rgreening> which talks to iptables/netfilter
[15:33] <apachelogger> it shouldn't be necessary to run any gui app with sudo
[15:34] <apachelogger> certain tasks maybe, not the GUI though
[15:34] <rgreening> apachelogger: I need admin to read the config, write the config and add/remove rules
[15:34] <apachelogger> rgreening: that is always weird
[15:34] <apachelogger> what is ufw doing then?
[15:34] <rgreening> apachelogger, _Sime: so the question becomes, what's the best/correct way to do this?
[15:35] <rgreening> apachelogger: ufw talks direct to netfilter/iptables in the kernel to provide real time filter rules
[15:35] <_Sime> rgreening: that's not really a python specific question. Anyway, which version of KDE should this work on?
[15:35] <apachelogger> yeah but how does your app relate to ufw if you are minupulating the config yourself?
[15:35] <rgreening> _Sime: I'm using pyKDE4
[15:36] <rgreening> apachelogger: I was planning on making calls to ufw
[15:36] <rgreening> _Sime: so, KDE4
[15:36]  * apachelogger finds the approach of ufw very weird
[15:36] <rgreening> apachelogger: not really
[15:37] <_Sime> KDE 4.2 might have better support for policykit.
[15:37] <apachelogger> <3 policykit
[15:37] <_Sime> that is the modern way of doing this kind of thing.
[15:37] <rgreening> apachelogger: I could defer sudo to everytime I need to apply/remove a rule, but that potentially means the user has to enter their password multiple times
[15:37] <apachelogger> rgreening: sudo got caching
[15:38] <rgreening> apachelogger: can you set the session timeout for the duration of the app?
[15:38] <apachelogger> no
[15:38] <apachelogger> that doesn't matter because every su call we have is in fact a sudo call and leads to caching
[15:39] <apachelogger> rgreening: the GUI should only be talking to ufw eitherway, and to do that you shouldn't need an advanced permission set at all
[15:39] <apachelogger> ufw should handle permission
[15:39] <rgreening> apachelogger: ufw requires admin to run
[15:39] <apachelogger> ufw is a daemon I guess?
[15:39] <rgreening> ufw us called with some su
[15:40] <rgreening> no, it's an app
[15:40] <apachelogger> I give up that concept is clearly not apachelogger proof
[15:40] <rgreening> e.g.: ufw allow 21/tcp
[15:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:41] <rgreening> sudo ufw allow 21/tcp
[15:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: that thing must have a lib
[15:41] <rgreening> it has a lot of python files
[15:42] <rgreening> but none appear to be modules
[15:42] <rgreening> _Sime: any suggestions on how to run an app as a user but maybe attach some kpart (or similar) in it run as another user?
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> yay, I fixed the patch
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> any  python file can be impoted as a module, right?
[15:43] <_Sime> rgreening: kparts run in-process.
[15:44] <_Sime> I guess so.
[15:44] <_Sime> rgreening: does the gnome version of ufw use policykit?
[15:45] <rgreening> _Sime: no, it needs to be called with sudo (or similar)
[15:46] <apachelogger> hm
[15:46] <apachelogger> rgreening: how do you call your app exactly?
[15:46] <apachelogger> call/start
[15:46] <rgreening> kdesudo app
[15:47]  * JontheEchidna out for half an hour-ish
[15:47] <apachelogger> rgreening: that might in fact not preserve your environment settings
[15:48] <rgreening> no, and if I run it with -E, kde pukes
[15:48] <rgreening> sry, that was with sudo -E I had tried
[15:48] <apachelogger> sudo is not made for that kind of stuff
[15:48] <apachelogger> the whole design is not made for that kind of stuff
[15:49]  * apachelogger wanders of mumbling about the superior design of linux... running apps as different user...
[15:49] <rgreening> it'd be nice if ufw was setuid to admin
[15:49] <rgreening> setgid I mean
[15:51] <rgreening> _Sime: no suggestions
[15:51] <rgreening> besides policykit
[15:52] <_Sime> rgreening: not really,
[15:52]  * rgreening crys
[16:01] <rgreening> apachelogger, _Sime: I think for now (until I come up with something better), I'll run as normal user, make calls to ufw with kdesudo, and hopefully the caching will be sufficient.
[16:02] <rgreening> apachelogger: does kdesudo reset the cache timer each time make a subsequent call to kdesudo?
[16:05] <apachelogger> rgreening: I think so
[16:08] <manchicken> Is there a doc on how to set up a translation environment, and begin doing translations?  For that matter, is there anything that needs translations?
[16:13] <manchicken> allee_: Long time no see.
[16:28] <ryanakca> apachelogger: finally getting around to kiosktool, rational is that it's KDE3 and there is no KDE4 version in sight?
[16:28] <apachelogger> ryanakca: exactly
[16:30] <ryanakca> apachelogger: thanks
[16:33] <ryanakca> apachelogger: bug 303193
[16:35] <apachelogger> Reverse Depends:
[16:35] <apachelogger>   education-desktop-kde
[16:35] <apachelogger>   desktop-profiles
[16:35] <apachelogger> ryanakca: the former needs to be updated to KDE 4 as a matter of fact
[16:35] <apachelogger> it recommends kiosktool right now
[16:35] <apachelogger> the latter suggests it
[16:36] <apachelogger> ryanakca: please report bugs against those thingies to get the recommends/suggests fixed
[16:36]  * apachelogger can't ACK otherwise :P
[16:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how is pyqt coming along?
[16:37] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[16:38] <manchicken> Hey Tonio_.
[16:38] <apachelogger> ryanakca: btw, you shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-archive
[16:38] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Ooops. I based myself on another remove bug :)
[16:38] <manchicken> Is it even possible to localize things like default text on the notes plasmoid?
[16:39] <apachelogger> ryanakca: you would need a developer ack who then subscribes ubuntu-archive
[16:39] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ah, ok. I'll file the other two bugs and then feel like ack'ing it?
[16:40] <apachelogger> ryanakca: well, they need fixing, nothing to ack there, I can confirm them if you want ;-)
[16:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: is it worth filing a bug report for those two, or can I just give you a debdiff?
[16:41] <apachelogger> ryanakca: file a bug, I am to tired to upload today
[16:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: thanks
[16:41] <apachelogger> ryanakca: education-desktop-kde needs much more work than just dropping the kiosktool
[16:44] <manchicken> Holy crap VMWare Fusion is sweet.
[16:47] <nixternal> hola, como estas
[16:47]  * ryanakca waves to nixternal 
[16:48]  * nixternal checks the status of his Debian packages
[16:48] <nixternal> I was hoping to sync the KDE packages, but I can't because they still use the CDBS stuff in their packages
[16:49]  * ryanakca wonders what's wrong with CDBS
[16:50] <nixternal> they still use debian/cdbs/
[16:50] <ryanakca> ah
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: compiling away
[17:21] <_Sime> mmmm.... turning off the EXA greedy option in xorg.conf improves the system tray icon situation a lot!
[17:34] <DreadKnight> aren't people bragging about kde4.2 backport already? xD
[17:49] <nixternal> apachelogger: any hints on a debian/watch file for packages on kde-look.org?
[17:49] <nixternal> the package I am working on, the watch file will not work with the developers website because the directory the packages are in are 403
[17:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: just not possible
[17:49] <nixternal> didn't think so
[17:50] <apachelogger> nixternal: eitherway it is not worth the effort
[17:50] <apachelogger> they should just change their system to something we can interact with in a sensible way
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> pyqt4 is up to QtOpenGL bindings
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pyqt4 4.4.4 coming your way
[19:04] <nixternal> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde-style-skulpture
[20:42]  * yuriy is hating the gnome bluetooth applet
[22:02] <manchicken> Man, vmware is neat, but not working terribly well today.
[22:03] <manchicken> I don't know why it is having such a hard time getting the resolution proper.  KDE looks right, but everything else seems VERY small...
[22:03] <manchicken> And KDM doesn't seem to want to play well with the same resolution of everything else