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ubottuIn #kubuntu, _2 said: ubottu is is is00:26
jussi01curious people in this world.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/78189/00:28
FlannelDo we really have no vietnamese channel?00:59
jussi01!vn01:01
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about vn01:01
jussi01weird...01:02
jussi01!lies01:02
ubottuMostly just statistics and mc44, but yeah.01:02
jussi01lol01:02
LjLwe don't have a vientamese *factoid*01:02
LjLthere is a channel01:03
jussi01ot peoples may want to keep an eye on yhl - just entered01:42
LjLwait, yhl?01:42
LjLwhere did i just see this nickname now01:43
Flannelpastebin!01:43
LjLhmmm right01:43
LjLbut no, i had this feeling i had *just* seen it01:43
Flannelhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/78189/ from jussi01, an hour and a quarter ago01:43
LjLmight be my brain doing tricks01:43
Flannelhe just joined -ot ;)01:43
LjLyeah but i wasn't looking at it01:43
FlannelYeah, but your spidey sense what tingling01:44
LjLheh maybe01:46
LjLbut i really just probably saw it on the bantracker, i likely had it in the foreground a moment before01:47
ubottuIn #ubuntu, ohletmeinnowgodd said: ubottu: and multiverse is legal soft?02:45
jussi01grr, I just wish I could get this sipdevice working... sigh06:44
elkbuntuwho is awake to watch bfj?07:14
elkbuntu<bigfuzzyjesus> elkbuntu: true, i was just wondering, and i forgot what the rules are, but you have reminded me <-- yes, he'd forgotten what they are as much as i'd forgotten who he is.07:19
jussi01Ximal: can we help you with something?07:27
bazhangXimal, can we help you07:42
jussi01Ximal: you are likely being forwarded here from somewhere - where are you trying to join?07:48
bazhangXimal, please state your issue.07:50
elkbuntuXimal, nobody can help if you dont speak07:55
bazhanghe/she is likely being forwarded from #ubuntu07:56
jussi01@bansearch Ximal07:59
ubottuMatch: *!*@69.247.132.191!#ubuntu-ops by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 24 2008 10:50:45 (ID: 7238)07:59
jussi01well then...07:59
elkbuntu@btlogin07:59
elkbuntuXimal, you need to respond to us, or we will not be able to help you.08:01
elkbuntuyou need to be able to respond so we can be sure it's a good idea letting you back into #Ubuntu.08:01
elkbuntui'd say it's a connection issue though...08:02
jussi01looks that way...08:02
* elkbuntu reheats some dal to have in tortillas.08:04
bazhangeternaljoy (hello sinners)08:12
elkbuntuoh dear.08:15
elkbuntuwhere was that?08:15
bazhangoops sorry in -ot08:16
bazhangXimal, are you here to discuss your ban in #ubuntu?08:17
bazhangXimal, if you have no business otherwise then please part this channel (see /topic re: Idling)08:18
bazhanghmm08:42
bazhangsilent protest?08:42
Flannelis it a forward?08:43
FlannelYeah.  So, just reconnecting08:43
bazhangyep08:43
bazhangbut no response here at all.08:43
bazhangshades of holymoo08:43
FlannelNah. No response here because they're not at the keyboard08:43
bazhangbut he/she is not disconnecting in -ot for example08:44
FlannelYes he is08:44
bazhangor was not previously08:44
bazhangjust that last time.08:44
FlannelNot by my lastlog08:45
bazhangnope your right08:45
Flannelalthough, I just /wc instead of /lastlog -clear, because I'm an idiot, so I can't show you08:45
bazhangmy bad08:45
bazhangbad connection on his/her part it seems08:45
Myrtti@btlogin09:05
elkbuntuis it just me, or is geenome starting to smell trollish?10:43
Flannelubottu: tell KatieKitty about away11:15
ikoniainteresting11:21
jussi01ikonia: Hey!!11:25
jussi01:D11:25
jussi01ikonia: Ximal was your forward, was he not?11:25
ikoniayes11:26
ikoniahe is11:26
ikoniahe has a real bad attitude11:26
jussi01ikonia: PM, in case you missed it again...11:27
jussi01;)11:27
bazhangjussi01, sorry to hear about your injury11:27
ikoniaI did 11:27
bazhanghope it gets better soon.11:27
jussi01bazhang: yeah, it hurts... except after the morphine :D11:27
bazhangjussi01, get surgery?11:27
jussi01bazhang: well we will see tomorrow - apointment in the afternoon.11:28
bazhangbest wishes jussi01 11:28
jussi01thanks!11:28
ikoniamay I suggest someone puts a forward on Ximal in -offtopic to ##fix_your_connection ?11:32
ikoniaand I again raise the question about a lack of awake guys available for -ot11:33
Flannelyay!11:33
bazhangelkbuntu, its not just you; he is always trying to start a linux/mac/windows flamewar when he is in there11:33
bazhanggeenome that is11:33
ikoniacan someone please put a forward on ximal in -offtopic to ##fix_your_connetion please.11:44
Flannelelkbuntu: ^^11:45
elkbuntusomeone might want to let geenome know that cyberstalking is way uncool11:55
bazhangits in one ear and out the other with that one11:56
bazhanghe will calm down for five seconds then start up again, whatever the subject11:56
* elkbuntu watches topyli call him out...12:04
elkbunturight, im off to bed. dont let them take advantage from that.12:50
Garyelkbuntu: you shouldn't have told em :p12:50
bazhang<mrwes> mine are scotch, beer and wine12:52
bazhang<mrwes> actually....scotch, wine and beer in that order12:52
bazhang<mrwes> I perfer anything of the bitter family == special or extra special -- american brewers over use the cascade hop12:53
ikoniagive him a nudge13:00
ikoniajust remind him of the conversations that been had13:00
bazhangjust waiting for the final ot13:00
ikoniachange it to a forward13:04
bazhangif he claims he was helping people then he shall have to defend against the above13:04
ikoniasee if he can get withit, rather than remove him13:04
ikoniano, I agree13:04
bazhangback in a few13:06
ubottuIn #ubuntu, Friend2 said: ubottu: What is Emacs?13:09
ikoniamrwes pm'ing me like crazy saying "come on, come on, enough, come on", I think he thinks I bannd him13:12
ikonia@btlogin13:15
mrweshrmmm13:38
mrwesikonia, ok I get it13:39
bazhangmrwes, may we help you?13:42
mrwesnope13:42
bazhangmrwes, please note the /topic then.13:43
mrwesyes...I won't idle13:43
ikoniawhy does he think I banned him ?14:11
Myrttimorningwalker is barely understandable with his lingo14:12
stdinikonia: because you did?14:15
LjLstdin: thank you, i was in a hard dilemma whether to say that or not...14:15
stdinwell, every question needs an answer :)14:16
ikoniastdin: I didn't, I changed it to a forward14:16
ikoniafrom his perspective bazhang banned him14:17
stdinah, ok14:17
stdinprobably because you've identified yourself as an op they think you are all-powerful and would undo someone else's bans14:18
ikoniait's no problem, just odd that as soon as bazhang banned him he started pm'ing me (wasn't at desk)14:19
ikoniathen he comes here thinking it's me14:19
LjLhad linuxguymarshall visited?14:19
ikonianot seen him14:19
MyrttiI'm taking a break from -ot for a while14:50
Myrttimmm yoghurt14:53
bazhangmrwes, how may we help you14:54
mrwescan you please remove the block on #ubuntu for me?14:54
bazhangmrwes, you were repeatedly warned about being offtopic in there.14:54
mrwesit was a mixed bagged conversation; and I've helped several ppl too14:55
bazhang<mrwes> mine are scotch, beer and wine14:55
bazhangand this is what you followed up with after those repeated warnings.14:55
mrwesI was responding to someone else...I apologize14:55
ikoniamrwes: we spoke before that helping people is not a green light to move away from the guidelines14:55
bazhang<mrwes> actually....scotch, wine and beer in that order14:55
mrwesIt won't happen again14:55
bazhangthere is a chat channel14:55
ikoniamrwes: and logging in/out with one word answers ? what's that about14:56
bazhangit is called #ubuntu-offtopic14:56
ikonialogging in saying "I get it" and logging out straight away ?14:56
ikonianot really a conversation to resolve an issue ?14:56
bazhangbut you repeatedly chose to completely ignore those requests mrwes 14:56
Myrttiif someone else is being offtopic, you guide them to -offtopic, you don't engage a conversation with them14:56
mrwesyes14:56
bazhangmrwes, by three different channel operators14:56
mrwesI wan't helping properly14:56
bazhangmrwes, with further comments such as 'Roll Tide !'14:57
mrwesI'll keep on topic14:57
ikoniamrwes: did we not have a conversation about this in here just a few hours earlier ?14:57
bazhangmrwes, you need a time out14:57
ikoniamrwes: where you agreed to keep it ontopic ?14:57
mrwessigh...sorry Alabama was kickin' butt14:57
mrwesok...I'll check back later14:57
bazhangmrwes, 14:58
mrwesthanks for your time14:58
mrwesagain I'm sorry14:58
bazhangyour comments were not only offtopic14:58
bazhangbut also against the coc14:58
mrwesyes?14:58
bazhang!coc14:58
ubottuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/14:58
bazhangand the guidelines14:58
bazhang!guidelines14:58
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines14:58
bazhangread those mrwes 14:58
mrwesI understand PG1314:58
mrweswill do14:59
LjLthe CoC doesn't have to do with the channel being "PG13"14:59
LjLnot directly anyway14:59
mrwesok15:00
bazhangthe taunting answers to ignoring calls to being offtopic do though15:00
bazhangsuch as 'pffffffftttttttt'15:00
ikonia*sigh* after every lines15:00
mrwesI'm fully aware of exactly what I've said, and I have also apologized -- so where do we go from here?15:01
mrwesI can't sigh?15:01
bazhangwe had a meeting earlier15:01
ikoniamrwes: you do it after most lines you type15:01
bazhangand you said you would be ontopic15:01
mrwesand that annoys you?15:01
bazhangand yet a few hours later here you are again making the same promises15:02
mrwesI failed to take you seriously and that's my fault15:02
ikoniamrwes: as I explained to you when I last requested you join this channel, it's a busy channel, making random noise makes it harder to follow, and isn't really the best way to take it forward15:02
mrwesI can contribute properly15:02
bazhangso you said earlier15:02
bazhangand you are saying so now as well.15:03
mrwesOk...so I'm banned for life now?15:03
bazhangwhy should we believe you this time?15:03
ikoniamrwes: when I requested you came here for an explination as to why you where being requested to stay on topic - you didn't take me seriously ?15:03
LjLmore to the point, why should we take *you* seriously if you fail to take *us* seriously15:03
bazhangmrwes> sigh...sorry Alabama was kickin' butt15:03
mrwesstupid I know15:03
bazhangyou are still defending being offtopic?15:03
mrwesno15:03
bazhangthat was said just a couple of minutes ago.15:04
ikoniamrwes: what was with the one line comments, join say "I get it" then quit straight away ?15:04
ikoniamrwes: what was that about ?15:04
mrwesI now understand this is a help channel and not a normal IRC environment15:04
ikoniaactually - I know what they are about, I apologise, I shouldn't ask15:04
ikoniaI see no reason to allow you back into #ubuntu at the moment as you don't seem to be able to repond to requests properly and you don't seem to be able to discuss things properly 15:05
mrwesI'm asking for another chance to contribute15:05
ikoniaI'll put my cards on the table right now15:05
LjLi've got four aces15:05
* LjL blinks15:05
* Myrtti has organ donor card, visa card, SSI card, library card and package of purse-sized emery boards.15:06
Myrttiwhat did I win?15:06
* Myrtti runs15:06
bazhangyoghurt!15:06
Myrttis/visa/credit card/15:06
LjLMyrtti: a pancreas15:06
ikoniaI'll leave you guys to it. 15:07
mrwesI will only speak in the channel when I can contribute or have a legitimate question; no other added comments will come from me15:07
* Myrtti gives ikonia a Finnish Christmas gingerbread cookie15:07
Myrttidon't be sad, teddybear15:07
bazhangikonia, your call15:08
mrwesno silly comments, nor will I mess with the bot15:08
mrwesI can be very professional15:08
ikoniabazhang: for me no, as I think a.) we took the time to speak to him nicley in here which he didn't take seriously b.) he was warned multple times in the channel and ignored it c.) he keeps joining/parting saying "ok I get it" rather than discuss it15:09
mrwesand help prove the future of Ubuntu15:09
ikoniaI don't think that shows "he has got it"15:09
bazhangikonia, point taken15:09
bazhangmrwes, there is a channel for silly comments15:09
bazhangmrwes, and of course this is not a perma-ban15:09
mrwesI am discussing it now15:09
ikonia@btlogin15:09
mrwesthat's your last word on this issue?15:10
bazhangmrwes, it is called #ubuntu-offtopic15:10
mrwesyes, I will keep those comments in that channel15:10
mrwesI'm asking for another chance to proof that15:10
ikoniaI see no reason at this time15:11
LjLmrwes: look, you've been banned *today*15:11
mrweser prove even15:11
mrwesok...I'll leave it at that 15:11
bazhangjust an hour or two ago15:11
LjLi've seen several people who, when confronted with a longer-than-one-day ban, started asking whether they'd be "banned for life"15:11
LjLthat kind of black-and-white thinking never did anyone any good15:11
mrwesunderstoo15:12
mrwesd15:12
bazhangalthough more than one day can feel like life15:12
LjLso go read the CoC, the guidelines, and think through how a channel like #ubuntu can keep working in a satisfying equilibrium15:12
LjL!etiquette > mrwes    (mrwes, see the private message from ubottu)  there's quite some reading to be done here15:12
mrwesOk...I'll do that and check back in a couple of days --15:12
mrwesI understand the etiquette15:13
mrwesLjL, thanks15:13
LjLmrwes: you do? 15 minutes ago you appeared to not know what the CoC was, yet you couldn't have read it in the time it took you to reply15:14
mrwesI'm on those web pages now15:14
mrwesI'll read them thrououghly15:14
LjLgood. take the next step, try not just to *understand what they're saying*, but to *understand why each exists*, and *understand why they exist as a system*15:15
LjLwhen you'll feel like you've understood that thoroughly, i think it might be time to come back here15:15
mrwesOk15:18
LjLwhich of course could be easily read as "never"15:19
LjL@mark #ubuntu-ops mrwes15:20
ubottuThe operation succeeded.15:20
bazhangikonia, my apologies; should have let you handle it15:21
bazhangjust did not like the way he was so taunting in all his responses to being offtopic15:22
ikonia?15:49
ikoniabazhang: not at all, I only changed your ban to a forward as he sent me the message saying "come on lets talk"15:49
ikoniaI didnt want to talk in private, hence the forward15:49
bazhangikonia, okay thanks15:53
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)15:58
LjLmy fault for hooking too hurriedly15:59
bazhangsp0rtily needs to be removed from -ot16:30
bazhangstalking is not funny or nice16:30
* Myrtti considers16:35
bazhangthis is the same fellow (z, sporty, several other nicks) who has a history of this16:43
Myrttisnuxoll did mention that he's ban evading earlier, but as he has been on the channel for quite some time now, I need a new reason to kick him from the channel16:44
PriceChildbazhang: z, or z_ or something else?16:44
PriceChildMyrtti: if he's evading a ban he's evading a ban.16:45
bazhangPriceChild, a couple of months ago16:45
PriceChildbazhang: which?16:45
bazhanghe was harassing / stalking another user who subsequently fled ( a female user also)16:45
MyrttiLynoure?16:45
bazhangyep16:45
PriceChildno, which nick16:46
bazhangPriceChild, he has used close to 6 nicks16:46
bazhangcannot remember them all. sporty, z, and several others16:46
PriceChildwhich was he identified to?16:47
bazhangchecking my logs now. he was often talking about zigmund freid's psychological sublimation16:52
LjLbazhang: how do you know it's him? he's under something that looks like a shell host right now16:55
bazhangLjL, he said earlier that sporty, z were earlier nicks of his, plus his way of talking16:55
LjLbazhang, PriceChild, Myrtti: and my logs also confirm that (if he's actually sporty/z_, but he *said* he is) the ban still stands and he's ban evading. also, second shell host he uses. anything against banning him?17:02
LjLi don't care how long he's been in the channel, it takes time to track a ban evader17:02
MyrttiI'm not touching the issue with a ten feet pole17:02
MyrttiI'm fine with whatever you decide17:03
bazhanghe should have banned for what he said just in the last few minutes imo17:03
bazhangearlier was much worse17:03
LjLhe's gone17:03
bazhangstill digging through 7 months of logs17:04
bazhangubuntu was another name17:04
LjLbazhang: well, i've seen enough to know with enough certainly that he's the same person, that's good enough for a ban17:04
bazhangLjL, okay17:04
LjLbazhang: that doesn't mean you should stop digging, mind, more evidence is more evidence ;)17:05
bazhangstill looking :)17:05
bazhangnearly crashed my text editor though17:06
LjLthere's currently two bans on him (three including the latest)17:06
LjLz_!*@* and *!?=asus@217.*17:06
bazhanghe'll be back17:06
PriceChildright so z_ not z17:06
bazhangthis was not asus-tek17:06
LjLno i don't think it was asus-tek17:07
LjLhe just had asus in the ident17:07
bazhanghe is all 'humm okey'17:07
LjLPriceChild: yes, i only have z_ not z17:07
bazhangand not creepy stalkery17:07
LjLwas asus-tek bad also?17:07
bazhangjust annoying to some17:08
bazhangone ident I've dug up so far is ilya17:09
LjLbazhang: i have ilyaglkn17:11
bazhangLjL, that one as well17:11
LjLand Comics91. he was also "Comics_" at one time, wasn't he?17:11
bazhangalso ilyag17:11
LjLor something17:11
LjLyes he was according to a bt comment17:11
bazhanghe has been around a long time so would not surprise17:11
LjLwell, just comics without the underscore17:12
bazhang@bansearch sporty17:12
ubottuNo matches found for sporty!n=ilyaglkn@217.8.236.148 in any channel17:12
LjLbazhang: no matches found, but he knows the hostmask? nice17:12
LjLbazhang: anyway, he was never banned as sporty according to my logs either17:12
bazhangthat was way back in May LjL ; still reading through (you are right I suspect)17:13
bazhangn=ubuntu@217.118.79.4317:17
LjLbazhang: check BT for what i've found so far17:18
bazhangokay17:18
LjLbazhang: oh, other evidence17:20
LjLmy /whowas sp0rtily has17:20
bazhangsporty (n=ubuntu@217.118.79.40 (immediately above nick was 'ubuntu'17:20
LjL[18:20:05] [314] sp0rtily n=mega 217.8.236.203 * purple17:20
LjL[18:20:05] [Whois] sp0rtily is online via irc.freenode.net (Sun Nov 30 17:06:30 2008)17:20
LjLbazhang: fwiw, "offoffoff" is currently online from the same serverloft host, and in #ubuntu-ru17:22
LjLbut is identified and all so probably not him17:22
bazhangyeah and his english is terrible17:22
Myrttidoes [19:32] [freenode] ~~~LeviTheSmith  [n=LeviTheS@ppp121-45-231-109.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net]17:33
Myrttimatch z/sporty?17:33
bazhangsyntax seems wrong17:38
bazhang [Neo_The_User] (n=Neo_The_@c-24-13-84-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net): Thomas A. Anderson17:54
bazhanghe is almost always offtopic; this time he seems to have listened to reason and headed to -ot17:59
PriceChildisn't that last question a support question? :/17:59
bazhangmodifying the source?18:00
bazhangin #ubuntu? gpl or not?18:00
ubottuIn #ubuntu, Friend2 said: !GNU Emacs is an extensible, customizable text editor—and more. At its core is an interpreter for Emacs Lisp, a dialect of the Lisp programming language with extensions to support text editing.18:05
bazhang<jimbo> how come my cdrom isn't reading my floppy? in #kubuntu18:16
ubottuIn ubottu, dee890 said: so here is my problem I boot ubuntu in the kernal generic 2.6.27-9 and the system load screen freezes, I try the recovery mode for the same kernal and I freezes at IO port. When I run the Kernal 2.6.24-22 generic it runs fine and boots fine. Has anyone heard of this?19:03
geniiGood evening, morning, or afternoon...21:12
Seeker`lo21:15
Seeker`genii: I think "Hello" covers it in genreal21:15
geniiSeeker`: Myrtti tells me "Moin" as well....21:16
Myrttimoin21:17
Seeker`lo Myrtti 21:17
geniiMyrtti: Moin :)21:17
jussi01Hei all!21:28
jussi01genii: that works also^^21:28
Tm_Tmoin moin21:30
Tm_Ttai vaikka "tere"21:30
* genii hands out coffees to all21:31
Seeker`new jon tomorrow \o/21:32
Seeker`*job21:32
jussi01Seeker`: nice, what are you doing now?22:12
* Myrtti pokes jussi01 22:14
* jussi01 eye Myrtti and wonders what the poke was for?22:15
Myrttia Christmasy poke22:31
Seeker`jussi01: Not entirely sure22:42
Seeker`jussi01: something to do with graphics architectures22:43
Myrttinini folks23:12
ikoniaI'm out too, night23:12
Seeker`night23:18
LjLhmmm, how come 1) i have had al1 on highlight, for a long time 2) he's being silly 3) he talks like he never used an ubuntu live cd before23:21
FlannelLjL: bantracker shows quite a bit23:23
LjLFlannel: yes, i'm looking. but then it seems i have him on highlight because he "probably wasn't" the same person who was banned by realname and so i had removed that ban23:24
LjLat any rate, he's already flooded the channel twice today, if nothing else, the second time in a very suspicious way too23:25
LjLbut right now i'll look up J172, that one also seems weird23:25
genii<Konsole> Dont be silly... wrap your willy23:35
genii<Konsole> Dont be silly... wrap your willy23:35
geniiBah23:35
geniiAnyhow, in #u23:35
FlannelMhmm23:35
Seeker`night night23:37
=== genii-test is now known as genii-around
genii-aroundjussi01_: You messing with the core right now?23:47
* Flannel fiddles some bits.23:47
ubottuIn ubottu, ardchoille said: player is Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs23:48
genii-aroundBah23:48
Flannel!player23:49
ubottuAudio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs23:49
Flannel!player =~ s/XMMS/XMMS2/23:50
ubottuNothing changed there23:50
=== genii-test is now known as genii-around
Flannel!player23:50
ubottuAudio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs23:50
Flannel!-player23:50
ubottuplayer is <alias> players - added by apokryphos on 2007-02-26 17:14:5023:50
Flannel!players =~ s/XMMS/XMMS2/23:50
ubottuI'll remember that Flannel23:50
* genii-around sips and thinks about Quassel client 623:51
genii-aroundjussi01_: Yer gonna make me do the whole client upgrade today now??23:53
jussio1genii-around: yeps!23:59

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