[00:28] <jussi01> curious people in this world.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/78189/
[00:59] <Flannel> Do we really have no vietnamese channel?
[01:01] <jussi01> !vn
[01:02] <jussi01> weird...
[01:02] <jussi01> !lies
[01:02] <jussi01> lol
[01:02] <LjL> we don't have a vientamese *factoid*
[01:03] <LjL> there is a channel
[01:42] <jussi01> ot peoples may want to keep an eye on yhl - just entered
[01:42] <LjL> wait, yhl?
[01:43] <LjL> where did i just see this nickname now
[01:43] <Flannel> pastebin!
[01:43] <LjL> hmmm right
[01:43] <LjL> but no, i had this feeling i had *just* seen it
[01:43] <Flannel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/78189/ from jussi01, an hour and a quarter ago
[01:43] <LjL> might be my brain doing tricks
[01:43] <Flannel> he just joined -ot ;)
[01:43] <LjL> yeah but i wasn't looking at it
[01:44] <Flannel> Yeah, but your spidey sense what tingling
[01:46] <LjL> heh maybe
[01:47] <LjL> but i really just probably saw it on the bantracker, i likely had it in the foreground a moment before
[06:44] <jussi01> grr, I just wish I could get this sipdevice working... sigh
[07:14] <elkbuntu> who is awake to watch bfj?
 elkbuntu: true, i was just wondering, and i forgot what the rules are, but you have reminded me <-- yes, he'd forgotten what they are as much as i'd forgotten who he is.
[07:27] <jussi01> Ximal: can we help you with something?
[07:42] <bazhang> Ximal, can we help you
[07:48] <jussi01> Ximal: you are likely being forwarded here from somewhere - where are you trying to join?
[07:50] <bazhang> Ximal, please state your issue.
[07:55] <elkbuntu> Ximal, nobody can help if you dont speak
[07:56] <bazhang> he/she is likely being forwarded from #ubuntu
[07:59] <jussi01> @bansearch Ximal
[07:59] <jussi01> well then...
[07:59] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[08:01] <elkbuntu> Ximal, you need to respond to us, or we will not be able to help you.
[08:01] <elkbuntu> you need to be able to respond so we can be sure it's a good idea letting you back into #Ubuntu.
[08:02] <elkbuntu> i'd say it's a connection issue though...
[08:02] <jussi01> looks that way...
[08:04]  * elkbuntu reheats some dal to have in tortillas.
[08:12] <bazhang> eternaljoy (hello sinners)
[08:15] <elkbuntu> oh dear.
[08:15] <elkbuntu> where was that?
[08:16] <bazhang> oops sorry in -ot
[08:17] <bazhang> Ximal, are you here to discuss your ban in #ubuntu?
[08:18] <bazhang> Ximal, if you have no business otherwise then please part this channel (see /topic re: Idling)
[08:42] <bazhang> hmm
[08:42] <bazhang> silent protest?
[08:43] <Flannel> is it a forward?
[08:43] <Flannel> Yeah.  So, just reconnecting
[08:43] <bazhang> yep
[08:43] <bazhang> but no response here at all.
[08:43] <bazhang> shades of holymoo
[08:43] <Flannel> Nah. No response here because they're not at the keyboard
[08:44] <bazhang> but he/she is not disconnecting in -ot for example
[08:44] <Flannel> Yes he is
[08:44] <bazhang> or was not previously
[08:44] <bazhang> just that last time.
[08:45] <Flannel> Not by my lastlog
[08:45] <bazhang> nope your right
[08:45] <Flannel> although, I just /wc instead of /lastlog -clear, because I'm an idiot, so I can't show you
[08:45] <bazhang> my bad
[08:45] <bazhang> bad connection on his/her part it seems
[09:05] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[10:43] <elkbuntu> is it just me, or is geenome starting to smell trollish?
[11:15] <Flannel> ubottu: tell KatieKitty about away
[11:21] <ikonia> interesting
[11:25] <jussi01> ikonia: Hey!!
[11:25] <jussi01> :D
[11:25] <jussi01> ikonia: Ximal was your forward, was he not?
[11:26] <ikonia> yes
[11:26] <ikonia> he is
[11:26] <ikonia> he has a real bad attitude
[11:27] <jussi01> ikonia: PM, in case you missed it again...
[11:27] <jussi01> ;)
[11:27] <bazhang> jussi01, sorry to hear about your injury
[11:27] <ikonia> I did 
[11:27] <bazhang> hope it gets better soon.
[11:27] <jussi01> bazhang: yeah, it hurts... except after the morphine :D
[11:27] <bazhang> jussi01, get surgery?
[11:28] <jussi01> bazhang: well we will see tomorrow - apointment in the afternoon.
[11:28] <bazhang> best wishes jussi01 
[11:28] <jussi01> thanks!
[11:32] <ikonia> may I suggest someone puts a forward on Ximal in -offtopic to ##fix_your_connection ?
[11:33] <ikonia> and I again raise the question about a lack of awake guys available for -ot
[11:33] <Flannel> yay!
[11:33] <bazhang> elkbuntu, its not just you; he is always trying to start a linux/mac/windows flamewar when he is in there
[11:33] <bazhang> geenome that is
[11:44] <ikonia> can someone please put a forward on ximal in -offtopic to ##fix_your_connetion please.
[11:45] <Flannel> elkbuntu: ^^
[11:55] <elkbuntu> someone might want to let geenome know that cyberstalking is way uncool
[11:56] <bazhang> its in one ear and out the other with that one
[11:56] <bazhang> he will calm down for five seconds then start up again, whatever the subject
[12:04]  * elkbuntu watches topyli call him out...
[12:50] <elkbuntu> right, im off to bed. dont let them take advantage from that.
[12:50] <Gary> elkbuntu: you shouldn't have told em :p
 mine are scotch, beer and wine
 actually....scotch, wine and beer in that order
 I perfer anything of the bitter family == special or extra special -- american brewers over use the cascade hop
[13:00] <ikonia> give him a nudge
[13:00] <ikonia> just remind him of the conversations that been had
[13:00] <bazhang> just waiting for the final ot
[13:04] <ikonia> change it to a forward
[13:04] <bazhang> if he claims he was helping people then he shall have to defend against the above
[13:04] <ikonia> see if he can get withit, rather than remove him
[13:04] <ikonia> no, I agree
[13:06] <bazhang> back in a few
[13:12] <ikonia> mrwes pm'ing me like crazy saying "come on, come on, enough, come on", I think he thinks I bannd him
[13:15] <ikonia> @btlogin
[13:38] <mrwes> hrmmm
[13:39] <mrwes> ikonia, ok I get it
[13:42] <bazhang> mrwes, may we help you?
[13:42] <mrwes> nope
[13:43] <bazhang> mrwes, please note the /topic then.
[13:43] <mrwes> yes...I won't idle
[14:11] <ikonia> why does he think I banned him ?
[14:12] <Myrtti> morningwalker is barely understandable with his lingo
[14:15] <stdin> ikonia: because you did?
[14:15] <LjL> stdin: thank you, i was in a hard dilemma whether to say that or not...
[14:16] <stdin> well, every question needs an answer :)
[14:16] <ikonia> stdin: I didn't, I changed it to a forward
[14:17] <ikonia> from his perspective bazhang banned him
[14:17] <stdin> ah, ok
[14:18] <stdin> probably because you've identified yourself as an op they think you are all-powerful and would undo someone else's bans
[14:19] <ikonia> it's no problem, just odd that as soon as bazhang banned him he started pm'ing me (wasn't at desk)
[14:19] <ikonia> then he comes here thinking it's me
[14:19] <LjL> had linuxguymarshall visited?
[14:19] <ikonia> not seen him
[14:50] <Myrtti> I'm taking a break from -ot for a while
[14:53] <Myrtti> mmm yoghurt
[14:54] <bazhang> mrwes, how may we help you
[14:54] <mrwes> can you please remove the block on #ubuntu for me?
[14:54] <bazhang> mrwes, you were repeatedly warned about being offtopic in there.
[14:55] <mrwes> it was a mixed bagged conversation; and I've helped several ppl too
 mine are scotch, beer and wine
[14:55] <bazhang> and this is what you followed up with after those repeated warnings.
[14:55] <mrwes> I was responding to someone else...I apologize
[14:55] <ikonia> mrwes: we spoke before that helping people is not a green light to move away from the guidelines
 actually....scotch, wine and beer in that order
[14:55] <mrwes> It won't happen again
[14:55] <bazhang> there is a chat channel
[14:56] <ikonia> mrwes: and logging in/out with one word answers ? what's that about
[14:56] <bazhang> it is called #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:56] <ikonia> logging in saying "I get it" and logging out straight away ?
[14:56] <ikonia> not really a conversation to resolve an issue ?
[14:56] <bazhang> but you repeatedly chose to completely ignore those requests mrwes 
[14:56] <Myrtti> if someone else is being offtopic, you guide them to -offtopic, you don't engage a conversation with them
[14:56] <mrwes> yes
[14:56] <bazhang> mrwes, by three different channel operators
[14:56] <mrwes> I wan't helping properly
[14:57] <bazhang> mrwes, with further comments such as 'Roll Tide !'
[14:57] <mrwes> I'll keep on topic
[14:57] <ikonia> mrwes: did we not have a conversation about this in here just a few hours earlier ?
[14:57] <bazhang> mrwes, you need a time out
[14:57] <ikonia> mrwes: where you agreed to keep it ontopic ?
[14:57] <mrwes> sigh...sorry Alabama was kickin' butt
[14:57] <mrwes> ok...I'll check back later
[14:58] <bazhang> mrwes, 
[14:58] <mrwes> thanks for your time
[14:58] <mrwes> again I'm sorry
[14:58] <bazhang> your comments were not only offtopic
[14:58] <bazhang> but also against the coc
[14:58] <mrwes> yes?
[14:58] <bazhang> !coc
[14:58] <bazhang> and the guidelines
[14:58] <bazhang> !guidelines
[14:58] <bazhang> read those mrwes 
[14:58] <mrwes> I understand PG13
[14:59] <mrwes> will do
[14:59] <LjL> the CoC doesn't have to do with the channel being "PG13"
[14:59] <LjL> not directly anyway
[15:00] <mrwes> ok
[15:00] <bazhang> the taunting answers to ignoring calls to being offtopic do though
[15:00] <bazhang> such as 'pffffffftttttttt'
[15:00] <ikonia> *sigh* after every lines
[15:01] <mrwes> I'm fully aware of exactly what I've said, and I have also apologized -- so where do we go from here?
[15:01] <mrwes> I can't sigh?
[15:01] <bazhang> we had a meeting earlier
[15:01] <ikonia> mrwes: you do it after most lines you type
[15:01] <bazhang> and you said you would be ontopic
[15:01] <mrwes> and that annoys you?
[15:02] <bazhang> and yet a few hours later here you are again making the same promises
[15:02] <mrwes> I failed to take you seriously and that's my fault
[15:02] <ikonia> mrwes: as I explained to you when I last requested you join this channel, it's a busy channel, making random noise makes it harder to follow, and isn't really the best way to take it forward
[15:02] <mrwes> I can contribute properly
[15:02] <bazhang> so you said earlier
[15:03] <bazhang> and you are saying so now as well.
[15:03] <mrwes> Ok...so I'm banned for life now?
[15:03] <bazhang> why should we believe you this time?
[15:03] <ikonia> mrwes: when I requested you came here for an explination as to why you where being requested to stay on topic - you didn't take me seriously ?
[15:03] <LjL> more to the point, why should we take *you* seriously if you fail to take *us* seriously
[15:03] <bazhang> mrwes> sigh...sorry Alabama was kickin' butt
[15:03] <mrwes> stupid I know
[15:03] <bazhang> you are still defending being offtopic?
[15:03] <mrwes> no
[15:04] <bazhang> that was said just a couple of minutes ago.
[15:04] <ikonia> mrwes: what was with the one line comments, join say "I get it" then quit straight away ?
[15:04] <ikonia> mrwes: what was that about ?
[15:04] <mrwes> I now understand this is a help channel and not a normal IRC environment
[15:04] <ikonia> actually - I know what they are about, I apologise, I shouldn't ask
[15:05] <ikonia> I see no reason to allow you back into #ubuntu at the moment as you don't seem to be able to repond to requests properly and you don't seem to be able to discuss things properly 
[15:05] <mrwes> I'm asking for another chance to contribute
[15:05] <ikonia> I'll put my cards on the table right now
[15:05] <LjL> i've got four aces
[15:05]  * LjL blinks
[15:06]  * Myrtti has organ donor card, visa card, SSI card, library card and package of purse-sized emery boards.
[15:06] <Myrtti> what did I win?
[15:06]  * Myrtti runs
[15:06] <bazhang> yoghurt!
[15:06] <Myrtti> s/visa/credit card/
[15:06] <LjL> Myrtti: a pancreas
[15:07] <ikonia> I'll leave you guys to it. 
[15:07] <mrwes> I will only speak in the channel when I can contribute or have a legitimate question; no other added comments will come from me
[15:07]  * Myrtti gives ikonia a Finnish Christmas gingerbread cookie
[15:07] <Myrtti> don't be sad, teddybear
[15:08] <bazhang> ikonia, your call
[15:08] <mrwes> no silly comments, nor will I mess with the bot
[15:08] <mrwes> I can be very professional
[15:09] <ikonia> bazhang: for me no, as I think a.) we took the time to speak to him nicley in here which he didn't take seriously b.) he was warned multple times in the channel and ignored it c.) he keeps joining/parting saying "ok I get it" rather than discuss it
[15:09] <mrwes> and help prove the future of Ubuntu
[15:09] <ikonia> I don't think that shows "he has got it"
[15:09] <bazhang> ikonia, point taken
[15:09] <bazhang> mrwes, there is a channel for silly comments
[15:09] <bazhang> mrwes, and of course this is not a perma-ban
[15:09] <mrwes> I am discussing it now
[15:09] <ikonia> @btlogin
[15:10] <mrwes> that's your last word on this issue?
[15:10] <bazhang> mrwes, it is called #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:10] <mrwes> yes, I will keep those comments in that channel
[15:10] <mrwes> I'm asking for another chance to proof that
[15:11] <ikonia> I see no reason at this time
[15:11] <LjL> mrwes: look, you've been banned *today*
[15:11] <mrwes> er prove even
[15:11] <mrwes> ok...I'll leave it at that 
[15:11] <bazhang> just an hour or two ago
[15:11] <LjL> i've seen several people who, when confronted with a longer-than-one-day ban, started asking whether they'd be "banned for life"
[15:11] <LjL> that kind of black-and-white thinking never did anyone any good
[15:12] <mrwes> understoo
[15:12] <mrwes> d
[15:12] <bazhang> although more than one day can feel like life
[15:12] <LjL> so go read the CoC, the guidelines, and think through how a channel like #ubuntu can keep working in a satisfying equilibrium
[15:12] <LjL> !etiquette > mrwes    (mrwes, see the private message from ubottu)  there's quite some reading to be done here
[15:12] <mrwes> Ok...I'll do that and check back in a couple of days --
[15:13] <mrwes> I understand the etiquette
[15:13] <mrwes> LjL, thanks
[15:14] <LjL> mrwes: you do? 15 minutes ago you appeared to not know what the CoC was, yet you couldn't have read it in the time it took you to reply
[15:14] <mrwes> I'm on those web pages now
[15:14] <mrwes> I'll read them thrououghly
[15:15] <LjL> good. take the next step, try not just to *understand what they're saying*, but to *understand why each exists*, and *understand why they exist as a system*
[15:15] <LjL> when you'll feel like you've understood that thoroughly, i think it might be time to come back here
[15:18] <mrwes> Ok
[15:19] <LjL> which of course could be easily read as "never"
[15:20] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops mrwes
[15:21] <bazhang> ikonia, my apologies; should have let you handle it
[15:22] <bazhang> just did not like the way he was so taunting in all his responses to being offtopic
[15:49] <ikonia> ?
[15:49] <ikonia> bazhang: not at all, I only changed your ban to a forward as he sent me the message saying "come on lets talk"
[15:49] <ikonia> I didnt want to talk in private, hence the forward
[15:53] <bazhang> ikonia, okay thanks
[15:59] <LjL> my fault for hooking too hurriedly
[16:30] <bazhang> sp0rtily needs to be removed from -ot
[16:30] <bazhang> stalking is not funny or nice
[16:35]  * Myrtti considers
[16:43] <bazhang> this is the same fellow (z, sporty, several other nicks) who has a history of this
[16:44] <Myrtti> snuxoll did mention that he's ban evading earlier, but as he has been on the channel for quite some time now, I need a new reason to kick him from the channel
[16:44] <PriceChild> bazhang: z, or z_ or something else?
[16:45] <PriceChild> Myrtti: if he's evading a ban he's evading a ban.
[16:45] <bazhang> PriceChild, a couple of months ago
[16:45] <PriceChild> bazhang: which?
[16:45] <bazhang> he was harassing / stalking another user who subsequently fled ( a female user also)
[16:45] <Myrtti> Lynoure?
[16:45] <bazhang> yep
[16:46] <PriceChild> no, which nick
[16:46] <bazhang> PriceChild, he has used close to 6 nicks
[16:46] <bazhang> cannot remember them all. sporty, z, and several others
[16:47] <PriceChild> which was he identified to?
[16:52] <bazhang> checking my logs now. he was often talking about zigmund freid's psychological sublimation
[16:55] <LjL> bazhang: how do you know it's him? he's under something that looks like a shell host right now
[16:55] <bazhang> LjL, he said earlier that sporty, z were earlier nicks of his, plus his way of talking
[17:02] <LjL> bazhang, PriceChild, Myrtti: and my logs also confirm that (if he's actually sporty/z_, but he *said* he is) the ban still stands and he's ban evading. also, second shell host he uses. anything against banning him?
[17:02] <LjL> i don't care how long he's been in the channel, it takes time to track a ban evader
[17:02] <Myrtti> I'm not touching the issue with a ten feet pole
[17:03] <Myrtti> I'm fine with whatever you decide
[17:03] <bazhang> he should have banned for what he said just in the last few minutes imo
[17:03] <bazhang> earlier was much worse
[17:03] <LjL> he's gone
[17:04] <bazhang> still digging through 7 months of logs
[17:04] <bazhang> ubuntu was another name
[17:04] <LjL> bazhang: well, i've seen enough to know with enough certainly that he's the same person, that's good enough for a ban
[17:04] <bazhang> LjL, okay
[17:05] <LjL> bazhang: that doesn't mean you should stop digging, mind, more evidence is more evidence ;)
[17:05] <bazhang> still looking :)
[17:06] <bazhang> nearly crashed my text editor though
[17:06] <LjL> there's currently two bans on him (three including the latest)
[17:06] <LjL> z_!*@* and *!?=asus@217.*
[17:06] <bazhang> he'll be back
[17:06] <PriceChild> right so z_ not z
[17:06] <bazhang> this was not asus-tek
[17:07] <LjL> no i don't think it was asus-tek
[17:07] <LjL> he just had asus in the ident
[17:07] <bazhang> he is all 'humm okey'
[17:07] <LjL> PriceChild: yes, i only have z_ not z
[17:07] <bazhang> and not creepy stalkery
[17:07] <LjL> was asus-tek bad also?
[17:08] <bazhang> just annoying to some
[17:09] <bazhang> one ident I've dug up so far is ilya
[17:11] <LjL> bazhang: i have ilyaglkn
[17:11] <bazhang> LjL, that one as well
[17:11] <LjL> and Comics91. he was also "Comics_" at one time, wasn't he?
[17:11] <bazhang> also ilyag
[17:11] <LjL> or something
[17:11] <LjL> yes he was according to a bt comment
[17:11] <bazhang> he has been around a long time so would not surprise
[17:12] <LjL> well, just comics without the underscore
[17:12] <bazhang> @bansearch sporty
[17:12] <LjL> bazhang: no matches found, but he knows the hostmask? nice
[17:12] <LjL> bazhang: anyway, he was never banned as sporty according to my logs either
[17:13] <bazhang> that was way back in May LjL ; still reading through (you are right I suspect)
[17:17] <bazhang> n=ubuntu@217.118.79.43
[17:18] <LjL> bazhang: check BT for what i've found so far
[17:18] <bazhang> okay
[17:20] <LjL> bazhang: oh, other evidence
[17:20] <LjL> my /whowas sp0rtily has
[17:20] <bazhang> sporty (n=ubuntu@217.118.79.40 (immediately above nick was 'ubuntu'
[17:20] <LjL> [18:20:05] [314] sp0rtily n=mega 217.8.236.203 * purple
[17:20] <LjL> [18:20:05] [Whois] sp0rtily is online via irc.freenode.net (Sun Nov 30 17:06:30 2008)
[17:22] <LjL> bazhang: fwiw, "offoffoff" is currently online from the same serverloft host, and in #ubuntu-ru
[17:22] <LjL> but is identified and all so probably not him
[17:22] <bazhang> yeah and his english is terrible
[17:33] <Myrtti> does [19:32] [freenode] ~~~LeviTheSmith  [n=LeviTheS@ppp121-45-231-109.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net]
[17:33] <Myrtti> match z/sporty?
[17:38] <bazhang> syntax seems wrong
[17:54] <bazhang>  [Neo_The_User] (n=Neo_The_@c-24-13-84-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net): Thomas A. Anderson
[17:59] <bazhang> he is almost always offtopic; this time he seems to have listened to reason and headed to -ot
[17:59] <PriceChild> isn't that last question a support question? :/
[18:00] <bazhang> modifying the source?
[18:00] <bazhang> in #ubuntu? gpl or not?
 how come my cdrom isn't reading my floppy? in #kubuntu
[21:12] <genii> Good evening, morning, or afternoon...
[21:15] <Seeker`> lo
[21:15] <Seeker`> genii: I think "Hello" covers it in genreal
[21:16] <genii> Seeker`: Myrtti tells me "Moin" as well....
[21:17] <Myrtti> moin
[21:17] <Seeker`> lo Myrtti 
[21:17] <genii> Myrtti: Moin :)
[21:28] <jussi01> Hei all!
[21:28] <jussi01> genii: that works also^^
[21:30] <Tm_T> moin moin
[21:30] <Tm_T> tai vaikka "tere"
[21:31]  * genii hands out coffees to all
[21:32] <Seeker`> new jon tomorrow \o/
[21:32] <Seeker`> *job
[22:12] <jussi01> Seeker`: nice, what are you doing now?
[22:14]  * Myrtti pokes jussi01 
[22:15]  * jussi01 eye Myrtti and wonders what the poke was for?
[22:31] <Myrtti> a Christmasy poke
[22:42] <Seeker`> jussi01: Not entirely sure
[22:43] <Seeker`> jussi01: something to do with graphics architectures
[23:12] <Myrtti> nini folks
[23:12] <ikonia> I'm out too, night
[23:18] <Seeker`> night
[23:21] <LjL> hmmm, how come 1) i have had al1 on highlight, for a long time 2) he's being silly 3) he talks like he never used an ubuntu live cd before
[23:23] <Flannel> LjL: bantracker shows quite a bit
[23:24] <LjL> Flannel: yes, i'm looking. but then it seems i have him on highlight because he "probably wasn't" the same person who was banned by realname and so i had removed that ban
[23:25] <LjL> at any rate, he's already flooded the channel twice today, if nothing else, the second time in a very suspicious way too
[23:25] <LjL> but right now i'll look up J172, that one also seems weird
 Dont be silly... wrap your willy
 Dont be silly... wrap your willy
[23:35] <genii> Bah
[23:35] <genii> Anyhow, in #u
[23:35] <Flannel> Mhmm
[23:37] <Seeker`> night night
[23:47] <genii-around> jussi01_: You messing with the core right now?
[23:47]  * Flannel fiddles some bits.
[23:48] <genii-around> Bah
[23:49] <Flannel> !player
[23:50] <Flannel> !player =~ s/XMMS/XMMS2/
[23:50] <Flannel> !player
[23:50] <Flannel> !-player
[23:50] <Flannel> !players =~ s/XMMS/XMMS2/
[23:51]  * genii-around sips and thinks about Quassel client 6
[23:53] <genii-around> jussi01_: Yer gonna make me do the whole client upgrade today now??
[23:59] <jussio1> genii-around: yeps!