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nixternalJontheEchidna: one thing, could you make the new package close bug 27748000:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277480 in mplayerthumbs "mplayerthumbs 0.5b only works with KDE3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27748000:06
nixternalotherwise it looks good and it works00:06
JontheEchidnaoh, right. can't believe I forgot that :P00:06
JontheEchidnanixternal: can I just email you the dsc/diff.gz so I don't spam the bug tracker?00:09
jussio1bug 27882200:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278822 in gwenview "Genview does not detect kipi plugins" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27882200:12
nixternalJontheEchidna: yes, or link me to a place to download it00:12
JontheEchidnanixternal: sent to you email00:13
* nixternal looks00:13
astrommeIs the fish kde3 ioslave avaliable in 8.10?00:18
JontheEchidnanope, they used to be in kdebase and now kdebase is at the kde4 version00:19
astrommeJontheEchidna: So there is no way to (from a kde3 app) use a ssh connection to grab files?00:19
nixternalJontheEchidna: uploaded! thanks :)00:19
JontheEchidnanixternal: you're welcome :)00:19
jussio1astromme: sftp :)00:19
jussio1astromme: sftp://ip.he.re00:20
JontheEchidnajussio1: that kio plugin is also at its kde4 version and won't work with kde3 apps00:20
astrommejussio1: Hmm... doesn't seem to work in quanta? (kde3 app) Intrepid has it?00:20
jussio1JontheEchidna: oh00:21
jussio1yeah, works in konq kde4..00:21
astrommeepimeth: =/. Not good: <JontheEchidna> nope, they used to be in kdebase and now kdebase is at the kde4 version00:21
astrommewhoops, wrong chat00:21
Riddell~twitter update sitting in Stuttgart at fregl and Nightrose's flat00:26
kubotucould not update status00:26
freglhehe00:27
Riddellfregl: Nightrose wants to know where you went00:29
freglRiddell: into my room, preparing a spot to sleep ;)00:29
astrommeHmm... regarding the kde3 ioslaves in 8.10.. is there an easy way to build/install extra ioslaves?00:31
FireRabbitRiddell: ah. well, I sent you an email .. but can I help with the C# bindings?00:31
RiddellFireRabbit: there's no reponsitory for the source, you just use apt-get source kde4bindings00:37
RiddellFireRabbit: you are very welcome to help with anything you want :)00:37
Riddellbut I think the C# bindings now is actually quite close to what Debian has, except ours works :)00:38
Riddellin jaunty I mean00:39
RiddellI sent a patch to Debian but I don't think they've picked it up http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebindings-debian.diff00:39
FireRabbitRiddell: is that patch all that's preventing you from switching to their packages?00:55
FireRabbitfor jaunty00:55
RiddellFireRabbit: no I think there was also a problem with the main qt-dotnet.dll00:57
Riddellit didn't work and I didn't have time to look at why so I just kept using the same packaging as we have in intrepid00:58
FireRabbitRiddell: okay. if I fix it, will it still get into jaunty?01:01
FireRabbitI'm actually working on an app that uses qt-dotnet.dll, so I can make sure its 100%01:01
FireRabbitRiddell: by the way your patch did make it in. r1280001:11
RiddellFireRabbit: yes plenty time to get stuff into jaunty01:11
Riddelland closing the diff with Debian is a good thing01:12
FireRabbitRiddell: okay. i'll set up a jaunty vm and build new packages on debian.. and see what's wrong with qt-dotnet.dll01:12
FireRabbiti mean, based on debian01:12
Riddellthanks, let me know what the outcome is01:12
FireRabbitwill do. thanks for the info01:13
RiddellFireRabbit: I'm on holiday just now so may not be responsive, keep poking or e-mail if I'm not about01:13
* Riddell sleeps01:13
FireRabbitwill do, good night :)01:13
JontheEchidnakde rev 89105402:12
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=891054&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 89105402:12
ScottKFireRabbit: There are others here who can upload it if you get something worked out while he's on holiday.02:21
ScottKAnyone working on updating kdenlive?02:22
FireRabbitScottK: good to know, thanks02:24
JontheEchidnaHa @ http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/378102:28
ScottKDid anyone else notice the new network manager U/I from Novell mentioned here http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/11/on-my-other-perspective.html ? Do we have it?  Do we want it?03:29
jussio1ScottK: looks good at first glance, I dont see why we dont at least get it into the repos, and decide on default after some testing. Im up to test it as soon as someone points me in the direction of debs/simple build instructions06:15
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ScottKApparently out translation woes are not over http://blog.incase.de/index.php/2008/11/29/re-silly-translations/06:20
jussi01ScottK: will they ever be over?06:20
ScottKjussi01: Dunno.  I'll be glad with Rosetta just stops making them worse.06:21
jussi01ScottK: its a bit of a giggle though...06:21
jussi01ScottK: so are there debs of said networkmanager? or some other not too hard way to test it?06:22
jussi01I figure the more testring it gets the better we can evaluate (well duh)06:22
ScottKjussi01: Dunno.  First I'd heard of it.  Maybe someone else has looked into it already.06:22
jussi01ScottK: ok, Ill go have a look arouind, if I learn something Ill let you know06:23
ScottKre translations: I'll confess that my sense of humor about Canonical shoving tools down our throat that actively make Kubuntu worse is somewhat limited.06:23
ScottKAnd with that, I'm off to bed before I get really fired up.06:24
jussi01fair enough, but that blog you linked to was rather funny.06:24
ScottKAgreed, just a topic I'm rather grumpy about.06:24
jussi01good night ScottK! take it easy, try to get some relaxation06:24
ScottKGood night.  Thanks.06:24
jussi01:)06:25
NCommanderapachelogger, hola06:53
Tm_Many news about bluetooth in intrepid?07:42
Tm_Mhmmh, builds fine, but that is not enough07:47
NCommanderTm_M, nope, still busted07:51
Tm_Mäh, have to look at it then07:52
aftertafok. was in motu, but advised to post here...08:55
aftertafi have a bug in 4.2 beta fro the nightly packages and the kde bug squishers said its an install problem....08:55
aftertafThe kickoff apps launcher has no applications in it, apart from the favorites i had added from 4.1.308:56
aftertaflet me know if i can 'reinitialise' it or get you some traces . . .08:57
Riddellfregl_: where's the shower?09:25
fregl_Riddell: opposite the kitchen ;)09:25
aftertafso, shuold i post this bug to a bugzilla somewhere?09:32
Riddellafiestas: it's an issue with neon, apachelogger is aware of it09:48
afiestasxd09:48
smarterso, does 4.2b1 looks good?09:50
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apacheloggerafiestas: take a look at the archive of the amarok-neon list, there should be a workaround somewhere13:09
apacheloggerNCommander: hullos13:09
apacheloggeroh13:11
apacheloggerScottK++13:11
apacheloggerwas about to file a sync request for pyqt13:11
JontheEchidnagood morning guys13:14
apacheloggerhola JontheEchidna13:23
JontheEchidnahow is 4.1.80 going now that we have proper python-qt4?13:23
apacheloggerbindings is building13:23
apacheloggertrying to get python plasma running now13:23
apacheloggerthe circular dep also resolved13:24
JontheEchidnayay!13:24
* apachelogger is writing a license sniffer btw13:25
Riddell4.1.3 needs testing in intrepid14:03
Riddellintrepid-proposed14:03
Riddellwith the SRU bugs marked14:03
Riddellhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/~sru-verification/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr14:07
\shapachelogger: dude...you are my kde4 hero...how difficult could it be to find the "add samba share to my desktop here" plasmoid or any functionality in dolphin or whereever to do this?14:07
\shgood day everybody btw :)14:07
apachelogger\sh: no clue what you mean .... try the network bookmark in dolphin, then "add network folder"14:09
jjessegood day \sh14:09
apachelogger\sh: or you could just drag the folder you want to link to and drop it, which should open a popup offering you to create a link14:10
apacheloggeror you drag the folder to the bookmarks bar in dolphin14:10
apacheloggeror onto the panel ...14:11
\shapachelogger: nope..I want to try to mount a samba share :) and dolphin just gives me "nfs" which is at least the way I want to go....just s/nfs/smbfs/14:11
\shah..it's hidden from sane admin ,->14:11
apacheloggerwaah, you are confusing me, stop that :P14:12
apacheloggeruh, kdebase-workspace is at 95%, brace for FTBFS14:12
apachelogger\sh: drag'n'drop is acceptable?14:14
\shapachelogger: found it...but it's not a nice user experience..anyways..14:19
apachelogger\sh: where is it?14:19
\shapachelogger: dolphin -> network sidebar -> samba share ...14:20
\shapachelogger: while linking to nfs shares is done via File -> New -> Link to14:20
apacheloggerIMHO NFS shouldn't be there either14:20
apacheloggeralthough....14:20
\shapachelogger: it needs a "RMC -> Mount samba share" or something like this something easy14:21
apachelogger\sh: the thing via file->new is actually mounting it as device, while the samba share access via the smb kio slave works14:21
* apachelogger has a word order issue again14:21
\shapachelogger: yes, but this is not what I wanted in the first place...I wanted to mount a samba share as device ,-)14:21
apachelogger\sh: mounting a network share is horrible in any case :P14:22
apacheloggerthough, I agree that there should be an NFS-like entry for SMB14:23
\shapachelogger: not in a company environment where you get laptops preinstalled with mounted samba shares ,-)14:23
apacheloggerdepends14:24
apachelogger\sh: please report a bug14:24
apacheloggeroh frick, I am invited at a birthday party tomorrow and have no present...14:25
apacheloggerto the google!14:25
\shapachelogger: wanna come to KA around the 9th/10th jan...for a little birthday party? :)14:34
Tm_Twho's gonna save me?14:35
apachelogger\sh: oh <3 sure ... well, technically... I'll have to sort finances and vacation time first :)14:37
apacheloggerTm_T: from?14:37
Tm_Tmyself14:38
apacheloggerhm14:38
apacheloggerTm_T: the AAs maybe?14:38
Tm_Tno, won't help me14:38
apacheloggerhm14:38
apacheloggermust be a serious case of alcoholism then14:39
Tm_Talcohol? no, I don't do that stuff14:39
apacheloggeroh, that would be the problem then :P14:39
apacheloggerTm_T: so why do you need to be saved from yourself at all?14:39
Tm_TI'm doing my "work" without sleep, soon having no money and, umm, spine? I haven't seen it a while14:40
apacheloggerTm_T: well, the first is easy => get regular sleep14:41
apacheloggerso where does the money go?14:42
Tm_Tapachelogger: sleep and money, same hole, 17 days old baby girl14:42
apacheloggertrue14:42
apacheloggerTm_T: I really lack experience there14:43
Tm_Tapachelogger: and you should, kid14:44
apachelogger*nod*14:44
Tm_T(:)14:44
* Tm_T huggles apachelogger 14:44
* apachelogger uberrehuggles Tm_T14:44
Tm_Tmaybe I need to get some kind of job where I can develop Kubuntu14:44
apacheloggerTm_T: get your government to use kubuntu, that seems to have worked for Tonio ;-)14:45
Tm_Theh14:45
Tm_Tapachelogger: shame that isn't easy here, companies (you know which one behind of them all) have firm grip on politicians and stuff14:46
* apachelogger points out that the austrian government has a 10(?) year contract with microsoft14:47
Tm_Tatleast they have contract14:48
apacheloggeroh well, waste of money, that contact covers almost all MS products for almost all areas of governmental action, still less than half the stuff is used14:49
Tm_Tapachelogger: still better than doing that stuff without contract14:49
Tm_TIMO14:49
apacheloggerdepends14:50
Tm_Tdepends on contract, but without knowing details, I assume so14:50
apacheloggerin either case it restricts the willingness to switch to anything ever14:50
Tm_Twe did send Ubuntu cds for every representative some time ago, pretty much all of them ignored14:51
Tm_Tapachelogger: depends =)14:51
Tm_Tapachelogger: perhaps they have no willingness anyway14:51
apacheloggerthat as well, one gotta force everything upon austrians ;-)14:52
ScottK-laptopThis is perhaps one area where more federalized systems make it easier to make progress.14:52
Tm_TScottK-laptop: or not, depends14:52
* apachelogger considers the austrian system rather federalized14:53
ScottK-laptopThe public library in the county I live in is all Ubuntu for their customer machines and the behind the counter machines are switching.14:53
ScottK-laptopLittle victories are easier.14:53
Tm_TScottK-laptop: true14:53
Tm_TScottK-laptop: but easier to lose too14:53
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: Not terribly if there's one IT contract for the whole of the government.14:53
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: they don't have to use it14:53
apacheloggerbut they can, and for that matter they do, because the government pays anyway14:54
ScottK-laptopI believe in a true competitive environment, we will win more than we lose.14:54
apacheloggerlike "why would I use linux if I can have windows for free as well"14:54
ScottK-laptopSo lots of little wins and some losses add up in our direction.14:54
Tm_TScottK-laptop: true14:55
Tm_Tbiggest issue still is awareness, even aknowledging what they are buying14:55
ScottK-laptopAgreed.14:55
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: btw, do we still have something that needs to be worked out before we import the packaging into bzr?15:03
ScottKapachelogger: I'm willing to give it a shot.15:04
apacheloggerok, I'll prepare something tomorrow15:05
ScottKapachelogger: Just make sure there's some wiki page I can copy/paste off of without having to invest too much time in knowing what I'm doing.15:05
apachelogger:)15:05
apacheloggeraye15:05
apacheloggersmarter_: did you do some work on this?15:05
apacheloggerRiddell: about bug 304010 ... maybe we should create a kubuntu-mysql package, there is really no point of having mysql-server installed and running just because akonadi needs mysqld15:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 304010 in akonadi "[jaunty] kubuntu-desktop drags in mysql-server-5.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30401015:12
ScottKapachelogger: Let's work with server team to get what we need out of the mysql package.  Code copies are not a good plan.15:13
JontheEchidnait is annoying having a 28 MB build-dep15:13
JontheEchidna*2715:13
apacheloggerScottK: that will proof very very very very difficult15:14
* apachelogger doesn't understand why people can't use Qt-sql15:14
ScottKapachelogger: It's early in the development cycle.  Let's at least give it a shot.15:14
* ScottK wishes they'd picked postgresql.15:15
* apachelogger wishes he wouldn't need to care at all15:15
* ScottK is not a relational database expert, but talking to people that are, wishes for postgresql.15:15
ScottKapachelogger: +1 for that.15:15
RiddellScottK: they used mysql because the mysql developers helped them with setup for embedded use15:36
Riddellin theory is can be ported to postgres or whatever easily enough but would need to bypass the normal server setup15:36
Riddellapachelogger: have you looked into what Debian's plans are?15:37
ScottKapachelogger: If I put this on the server team meeting agenda for discussion, could you come and talk about what we want?15:38
apacheloggerScottK: depends on the meeting time really16:20
apacheloggerRiddell: nope16:20
* apachelogger was happy enough that akonadi sort of worked in intrepid ;-)16:21
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: Generally Tuesday at (IIRC) 1300 UTC.16:23
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: 1500UTC.16:24
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apacheloggerScottK-laptop: should work16:25
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: Great.  I'll mark it on the agenda then.16:26
apacheloggerok16:26
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apacheloggerRiddell: btw, akonadi doesn't do mysql embedded (yet anyway)16:31
apacheloggeramarok does16:31
apacheloggerthat is the reason amarok only requires mysql runtime data while akonadi needs the whole daemon16:31
ScottKapachelogger: We're on the agenda now for tomorrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting16:43
apacheloggerScottK: thanks16:44
ScottKapachelogger: I may have to be at the meeting via my phone's IRC client, so please be prepared for some background discussion.16:45
apacheloggeraye16:45
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ScottKFor whoever is doing/did kdebase-workspace, this just got uploaded: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.73-0ubuntu418:17
Tm_Thmmm, isn't that, like, old now?18:22
apacheloggerwhat is old?18:23
ScottK-laptopTm_T: Someone not involved in Kubuntu stuff just uploaded a new revision.18:24
Tm_Tinteresting18:25
Tm_Tbut isn't 4.1.80 out ? (aka beta?)18:25
Tm_Tapachelogger: 2017.50 < ScottK> For whoever is doing/did kdebase-workspace, this just got uploaded: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.73-0ubuntu418:25
apacheloggerkde svn 89105418:26
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=891054&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 89105418:26
ScottKTm_T: It is, but not uploaded yet.  Wanted to make sure whoever was doing it didn't miss that new patch .18:27
nixternaljjesse: kblogger is what you are looking for18:27
apacheloggerewww that is!18:27
* apachelogger pokes lool in the eye for making apachelogger do a merge18:28
nixternalapachelogger: make that bot come back with the svn+ssh://<username>@svn.kde.org/**18:28
apacheloggerstdin: ^18:28
apacheloggerIMHO the bot should spit out the commit message18:29
nixternalI like that idea as well18:29
Tm_Taye18:29
nixternalget rid of that anonsvn crap :p18:29
loolHi folks, sorry for not coordinating the kdebase-workspace upload; I intended to do so but was distracted by dinner18:30
Tm_Tlool: :-P18:30
lool(and I didn't think you were planning another upload as .73 seemed recently uploaded)18:30
loolThe only change is the addition of a patch18:30
loolWhich I got mostly merged upstream18:30
loolThis fixes armel ftbfs18:30
nixternalnice lool...there are a bunch of armel ftbfs that need to be fixed..glad we have someone working on that kind of stuff18:31
apacheloggerlool: FYI, we usually prefix the patch names with kubuntu_18:31
nixternallord knows when I get my armel system, I want KDE 4 on it :)18:31
loolUh the package ftbfsed on the buildds though, and I don't see an error message18:32
loolmake[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement.Inhibit.xml', needed by `powerdevil/daemon/powermanagementinhibitadaptor.cpp'.  Stop.18:32
loolIt built here, so I guess I uploaded at a bad time18:33
loolSorry about that  :-/18:33
apacheloggerlool: kde4libs is at 4.1.80 now18:33
apacheloggerso I guess that it a transition FTBFS18:33
apacheloggeror... I hope it is ;-)18:33
loolapachelogger: I thought this was for kubuntu specific patches; at this patch was suitable to e.g. debian I didn't prefix it; perhaps that was wrong18:33
apacheloggerlool: anything that is not in debian as well usually gets prefixed18:34
* apachelogger thinks that upstream patches should get a kde_ prefix though18:34
loolGot it18:34
loolWho's preparing the 4.1.80 kdebase-workspace upload?18:35
loolI don't think I can prepare it myself; would someone be so kind to add the patch to this upload?18:35
loolhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/60_arm-qreal-float-casts.diff18:35
loolBasically trivial changes in three files; it might have been half merged before 4.1.8018:36
loolI think it's all merged in SVN now18:36
JontheEchidnaI think I saw a commit about qreals yesterday, so it might not be in 4.1.80 at all18:36
apacheloggerlool: I already add your change to the 4.1.80 packaging18:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, more like todayish (UTC)18:37
JontheEchidnayeah18:37
loolapachelogger: Thanks18:38
loolJontheEchidna: Some yesterday, some today18:38
JontheEchidna4.1.80 tagging was a week or two ago, so it doesn't really matter I guess :P18:39
nixternalI just want a Jaunty that works damnit19:02
nixternalserver is the only thing working for me at home19:02
nixternalrecent cd wise that is19:02
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* smarter wonders what's so special about the way youtube displays flash videos that make them almost always fail to load on Konqueror20:14
Riddell~twitter update eating Berliners with Nightrose and fregl21:25
kubotustatus updated21:25
Riddellyay21:25
NCommanderhey apachelogger21:33
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steveireDoes anyone have Jonathan Jesse's email address?22:26
steveireHe doesn't allow comments on his blog, but he wants this link: http://mikearthur.co.uk/2008/09/kde-blog-from-korganizer-howto/22:28
* ScottK-laptop tries mono bindings fixing ....22:28
JontheEchidnasteveire: jjesse@gmail.com according to his LP page22:39
JontheEchidnahttps://edge.launchpad.net/~jjesse22:39
steveireJontheEchidna: Good point. I should have checked there22:42
steveireJontheEchidna: Did you make any progress with kopete?22:42
JontheEchidnaEnded up manually specifying the qca2 path22:42
JontheEchidnanot pretty but it'll work for now22:43
steveireI see.22:44
JontheEchidnayeah, msn support will have to wait a bit though. The good thing is that the package is being included in debian22:44
JontheEchidnaWe've started uploading beta1 to jaunty and we'll probably be rolling it out to a PPA for Intrepid in the next few days22:45
NCommanderhey JontheEchidna22:45
JontheEchidnahi22:46
steveireGood stuff.22:47
kb9vqfHey, a quick question for anyone who might know: how the KDE3 ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig file generated?  I can't find it in any of the Ubuntu packages.23:12
smarterkb9vqf: probably from the KDM configure module in systemsettings23:14
kb9vqfsmarter: But it is required for first login23:14
kb9vqfsmarter: or the user can't login.23:15
smarterno file from ~/.kde can possibly be required23:15
smartersince it's created at runtime by KDE23:15
smarteronce the session is started23:15
kb9vqfsmarter: Thanks, I'll look into the source then, as it seems that KDE3 is not auto-generating this file in the new ~/.kde3 prefix23:17
smarterstrange23:17
smarterwhat's the exact error message?23:18
kb9vqfsmarter: Isn't it? :)  I'll try to get you the exact error, give me a minute to fire up the VM23:18
kb9vqfsmarter: Here it is: 86: Can't open /timothy/.kde/share/config/startupconfig23:23
smarterand it fails because of that? creating the file solve it?23:24
kb9vqfsmarter: This is in response to a startkde command, as KDM just restarts, presumably after receiving the same error23:24
kb9vqfYes, that is the reason23:24
kb9vqfsmarter: creating the file solves it23:24
smarterkstartupconfig is used to create that file(grep for it in /usr/bin/startkde)23:25
smartermaybe it's somehow not working23:25
smartertry launching an X server with just an xterm and launch sh -x /usr/bin/startkde23:26
smarterit will displays everything the script will do and should help you debug that23:26
* smarter is off to bed23:26
smarter'night guys23:26
kb9vqfsmarter: thanks!23:27
ScottK-laptopHey, I think kde4bindings got past the mono stuff with no FTBFS ....23:35
Riddellooh23:42

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