[00:06] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: one thing, could you make the new package close bug 277480
[00:06] <nixternal> otherwise it looks good and it works
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. can't believe I forgot that :P
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: can I just email you the dsc/diff.gz so I don't spam the bug tracker?
[00:11] <jussio1> bug 278822
[00:12] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yes, or link me to a place to download it
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: sent to you email
[00:13]  * nixternal looks
[00:18] <astromme> Is the fish kde3 ioslave avaliable in 8.10?
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> nope, they used to be in kdebase and now kdebase is at the kde4 version
[00:19] <astromme> JontheEchidna: So there is no way to (from a kde3 app) use a ssh connection to grab files?
[00:19] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: uploaded! thanks :)
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: you're welcome :)
[00:19] <jussio1> astromme: sftp :)
[00:20] <jussio1> astromme: sftp://ip.he.re
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> jussio1: that kio plugin is also at its kde4 version and won't work with kde3 apps
[00:20] <astromme> jussio1: Hmm... doesn't seem to work in quanta? (kde3 app) Intrepid has it?
[00:21] <jussio1> JontheEchidna: oh
[00:21] <jussio1> yeah, works in konq kde4..
[00:21] <astromme> epimeth: =/. Not good: <JontheEchidna> nope, they used to be in kdebase and now kdebase is at the kde4 version
[00:21] <astromme> whoops, wrong chat
[00:26] <Riddell> ~twitter update sitting in Stuttgart at fregl and Nightrose's flat
[00:26] <kubotu> could not update status
[00:27] <fregl> hehe
[00:29] <Riddell> fregl: Nightrose wants to know where you went
[00:29] <fregl> Riddell: into my room, preparing a spot to sleep ;)
[00:31] <astromme> Hmm... regarding the kde3 ioslaves in 8.10.. is there an easy way to build/install extra ioslaves?
[00:31] <FireRabbit> Riddell: ah. well, I sent you an email .. but can I help with the C# bindings?
[00:37] <Riddell> FireRabbit: there's no reponsitory for the source, you just use apt-get source kde4bindings
[00:37] <Riddell> FireRabbit: you are very welcome to help with anything you want :)
[00:38] <Riddell> but I think the C# bindings now is actually quite close to what Debian has, except ours works :)
[00:39] <Riddell> in jaunty I mean
[00:39] <Riddell> I sent a patch to Debian but I don't think they've picked it up http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebindings-debian.diff
[00:55] <FireRabbit> Riddell: is that patch all that's preventing you from switching to their packages?
[00:55] <FireRabbit> for jaunty
[00:57] <Riddell> FireRabbit: no I think there was also a problem with the main qt-dotnet.dll
[00:58] <Riddell> it didn't work and I didn't have time to look at why so I just kept using the same packaging as we have in intrepid
[01:01] <FireRabbit> Riddell: okay. if I fix it, will it still get into jaunty?
[01:01] <FireRabbit> I'm actually working on an app that uses qt-dotnet.dll, so I can make sure its 100%
[01:11] <FireRabbit> Riddell: by the way your patch did make it in. r12800
[01:11] <Riddell> FireRabbit: yes plenty time to get stuff into jaunty
[01:12] <Riddell> and closing the diff with Debian is a good thing
[01:12] <FireRabbit> Riddell: okay. i'll set up a jaunty vm and build new packages on debian.. and see what's wrong with qt-dotnet.dll
[01:12] <FireRabbit> i mean, based on debian
[01:12] <Riddell> thanks, let me know what the outcome is
[01:13] <FireRabbit> will do. thanks for the info
[01:13] <Riddell> FireRabbit: I'm on holiday just now so may not be responsive, keep poking or e-mail if I'm not about
[01:13]  * Riddell sleeps
[01:13] <FireRabbit> will do, good night :)
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 891054
[02:21] <ScottK> FireRabbit: There are others here who can upload it if you get something worked out while he's on holiday.
[02:22] <ScottK> Anyone working on updating kdenlive?
[02:24] <FireRabbit> ScottK: good to know, thanks
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> Ha @ http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3781
[03:29] <ScottK> Did anyone else notice the new network manager U/I from Novell mentioned here http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/11/on-my-other-perspective.html ? Do we have it?  Do we want it?
[06:15] <jussio1> ScottK: looks good at first glance, I dont see why we dont at least get it into the repos, and decide on default after some testing. Im up to test it as soon as someone points me in the direction of debs/simple build instructions
[06:20] <ScottK> Apparently out translation woes are not over http://blog.incase.de/index.php/2008/11/29/re-silly-translations/
[06:20] <jussi01> ScottK: will they ever be over?
[06:21] <ScottK> jussi01: Dunno.  I'll be glad with Rosetta just stops making them worse.
[06:21] <jussi01> ScottK: its a bit of a giggle though...
[06:22] <jussi01> ScottK: so are there debs of said networkmanager? or some other not too hard way to test it?
[06:22] <jussi01> I figure the more testring it gets the better we can evaluate (well duh)
[06:22] <ScottK> jussi01: Dunno.  First I'd heard of it.  Maybe someone else has looked into it already.
[06:23] <jussi01> ScottK: ok, Ill go have a look arouind, if I learn something Ill let you know
[06:23] <ScottK> re translations: I'll confess that my sense of humor about Canonical shoving tools down our throat that actively make Kubuntu worse is somewhat limited.
[06:24] <ScottK> And with that, I'm off to bed before I get really fired up.
[06:24] <jussi01> fair enough, but that blog you linked to was rather funny.
[06:24] <ScottK> Agreed, just a topic I'm rather grumpy about.
[06:24] <jussi01> good night ScottK! take it easy, try to get some relaxation
[06:24] <ScottK> Good night.  Thanks.
[06:25] <jussi01> :)
[06:53] <NCommander> apachelogger, hola
[07:42] <Tm_M> any news about bluetooth in intrepid?
[07:47] <Tm_M> hmmh, builds fine, but that is not enough
[07:51] <NCommander> Tm_M, nope, still busted
[07:52] <Tm_M> äh, have to look at it then
[08:55] <aftertaf> ok. was in motu, but advised to post here...
[08:55] <aftertaf> i have a bug in 4.2 beta fro the nightly packages and the kde bug squishers said its an install problem....
[08:56] <aftertaf> The kickoff apps launcher has no applications in it, apart from the favorites i had added from 4.1.3
[08:57] <aftertaf> let me know if i can 'reinitialise' it or get you some traces . . .
[09:25] <Riddell> fregl_: where's the shower?
[09:25] <fregl_> Riddell: opposite the kitchen ;)
[09:32] <aftertaf> so, shuold i post this bug to a bugzilla somewhere?
[09:48] <Riddell> afiestas: it's an issue with neon, apachelogger is aware of it
[09:48] <afiestas> xd
[09:50] <smarter> so, does 4.2b1 looks good?
[13:09] <apachelogger> afiestas: take a look at the archive of the amarok-neon list, there should be a workaround somewhere
[13:09] <apachelogger> NCommander: hullos
[13:11] <apachelogger> oh
[13:11] <apachelogger> ScottK++
[13:11] <apachelogger> was about to file a sync request for pyqt
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> good morning guys
[13:23] <apachelogger> hola JontheEchidna
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> how is 4.1.80 going now that we have proper python-qt4?
[13:23] <apachelogger> bindings is building
[13:23] <apachelogger> trying to get python plasma running now
[13:24] <apachelogger> the circular dep also resolved
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> yay!
[13:25]  * apachelogger is writing a license sniffer btw
[14:03] <Riddell> 4.1.3 needs testing in intrepid
[14:03] <Riddell> intrepid-proposed
[14:03] <Riddell> with the SRU bugs marked
[14:07] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~sru-verification/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr
[14:07] <\sh> apachelogger: dude...you are my kde4 hero...how difficult could it be to find the "add samba share to my desktop here" plasmoid or any functionality in dolphin or whereever to do this?
[14:07] <\sh> good day everybody btw :)
[14:09] <apachelogger> \sh: no clue what you mean .... try the network bookmark in dolphin, then "add network folder"
[14:09] <jjesse> good day \sh
[14:10] <apachelogger> \sh: or you could just drag the folder you want to link to and drop it, which should open a popup offering you to create a link
[14:10] <apachelogger> or you drag the folder to the bookmarks bar in dolphin
[14:11] <apachelogger> or onto the panel ...
[14:11] <\sh> apachelogger: nope..I want to try to mount a samba share :) and dolphin just gives me "nfs" which is at least the way I want to go....just s/nfs/smbfs/
[14:11] <\sh> ah..it's hidden from sane admin ,->
[14:12] <apachelogger> waah, you are confusing me, stop that :P
[14:12] <apachelogger> uh, kdebase-workspace is at 95%, brace for FTBFS
[14:14] <apachelogger> \sh: drag'n'drop is acceptable?
[14:19] <\sh> apachelogger: found it...but it's not a nice user experience..anyways..
[14:19] <apachelogger> \sh: where is it?
[14:20] <\sh> apachelogger: dolphin -> network sidebar -> samba share ...
[14:20] <\sh> apachelogger: while linking to nfs shares is done via File -> New -> Link to
[14:20] <apachelogger> IMHO NFS shouldn't be there either
[14:20] <apachelogger> although....
[14:21] <\sh> apachelogger: it needs a "RMC -> Mount samba share" or something like this something easy
[14:21] <apachelogger> \sh: the thing via file->new is actually mounting it as device, while the samba share access via the smb kio slave works
[14:21]  * apachelogger has a word order issue again
[14:21] <\sh> apachelogger: yes, but this is not what I wanted in the first place...I wanted to mount a samba share as device ,-)
[14:22] <apachelogger> \sh: mounting a network share is horrible in any case :P
[14:23] <apachelogger> though, I agree that there should be an NFS-like entry for SMB
[14:23] <\sh> apachelogger: not in a company environment where you get laptops preinstalled with mounted samba shares ,-)
[14:24] <apachelogger> depends
[14:24] <apachelogger> \sh: please report a bug
[14:25] <apachelogger> oh frick, I am invited at a birthday party tomorrow and have no present...
[14:25] <apachelogger> to the google!
[14:34] <\sh> apachelogger: wanna come to KA around the 9th/10th jan...for a little birthday party? :)
[14:35] <Tm_T> who's gonna save me?
[14:37] <apachelogger> \sh: oh <3 sure ... well, technically... I'll have to sort finances and vacation time first :)
[14:37] <apachelogger> Tm_T: from?
[14:38] <Tm_T> myself
[14:38] <apachelogger> hm
[14:38] <apachelogger> Tm_T: the AAs maybe?
[14:38] <Tm_T> no, won't help me
[14:38] <apachelogger> hm
[14:39] <apachelogger> must be a serious case of alcoholism then
[14:39] <Tm_T> alcohol? no, I don't do that stuff
[14:39] <apachelogger> oh, that would be the problem then :P
[14:39] <apachelogger> Tm_T: so why do you need to be saved from yourself at all?
[14:40] <Tm_T> I'm doing my "work" without sleep, soon having no money and, umm, spine? I haven't seen it a while
[14:41] <apachelogger> Tm_T: well, the first is easy => get regular sleep
[14:42] <apachelogger> so where does the money go?
[14:42] <Tm_T> apachelogger: sleep and money, same hole, 17 days old baby girl
[14:42] <apachelogger> true
[14:43] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I really lack experience there
[14:44] <Tm_T> apachelogger: and you should, kid
[14:44] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:44] <Tm_T> (:)
[14:44]  * Tm_T huggles apachelogger 
[14:44]  * apachelogger uberrehuggles Tm_T
[14:44] <Tm_T> maybe I need to get some kind of job where I can develop Kubuntu
[14:45] <apachelogger> Tm_T: get your government to use kubuntu, that seems to have worked for Tonio ;-)
[14:45] <Tm_T> heh
[14:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: shame that isn't easy here, companies (you know which one behind of them all) have firm grip on politicians and stuff
[14:47]  * apachelogger points out that the austrian government has a 10(?) year contract with microsoft
[14:48] <Tm_T> atleast they have contract
[14:49] <apachelogger> oh well, waste of money, that contact covers almost all MS products for almost all areas of governmental action, still less than half the stuff is used
[14:49] <Tm_T> apachelogger: still better than doing that stuff without contract
[14:49] <Tm_T> IMO
[14:50] <apachelogger> depends
[14:50] <Tm_T> depends on contract, but without knowing details, I assume so
[14:50] <apachelogger> in either case it restricts the willingness to switch to anything ever
[14:51] <Tm_T> we did send Ubuntu cds for every representative some time ago, pretty much all of them ignored
[14:51] <Tm_T> apachelogger: depends =)
[14:51] <Tm_T> apachelogger: perhaps they have no willingness anyway
[14:52] <apachelogger> that as well, one gotta force everything upon austrians ;-)
[14:52] <ScottK-laptop> This is perhaps one area where more federalized systems make it easier to make progress.
[14:52] <Tm_T> ScottK-laptop: or not, depends
[14:53]  * apachelogger considers the austrian system rather federalized
[14:53] <ScottK-laptop> The public library in the county I live in is all Ubuntu for their customer machines and the behind the counter machines are switching.
[14:53] <ScottK-laptop> Little victories are easier.
[14:53] <Tm_T> ScottK-laptop: true
[14:53] <Tm_T> ScottK-laptop: but easier to lose too
[14:53] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Not terribly if there's one IT contract for the whole of the government.
[14:53] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: they don't have to use it
[14:54] <apachelogger> but they can, and for that matter they do, because the government pays anyway
[14:54] <ScottK-laptop> I believe in a true competitive environment, we will win more than we lose.
[14:54] <apachelogger> like "why would I use linux if I can have windows for free as well"
[14:54] <ScottK-laptop> So lots of little wins and some losses add up in our direction.
[14:55] <Tm_T> ScottK-laptop: true
[14:55] <Tm_T> biggest issue still is awareness, even aknowledging what they are buying
[14:55] <ScottK-laptop> Agreed.
[15:03] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: btw, do we still have something that needs to be worked out before we import the packaging into bzr?
[15:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm willing to give it a shot.
[15:05] <apachelogger> ok, I'll prepare something tomorrow
[15:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just make sure there's some wiki page I can copy/paste off of without having to invest too much time in knowing what I'm doing.
[15:05] <apachelogger> :)
[15:05] <apachelogger> aye
[15:05] <apachelogger> smarter_: did you do some work on this?
[15:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: about bug 304010 ... maybe we should create a kubuntu-mysql package, there is really no point of having mysql-server installed and running just because akonadi needs mysqld
[15:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: Let's work with server team to get what we need out of the mysql package.  Code copies are not a good plan.
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> it is annoying having a 28 MB build-dep
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> *27
[15:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: that will proof very very very very difficult
[15:14]  * apachelogger doesn't understand why people can't use Qt-sql
[15:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's early in the development cycle.  Let's at least give it a shot.
[15:15]  * ScottK wishes they'd picked postgresql.
[15:15]  * apachelogger wishes he wouldn't need to care at all
[15:15]  * ScottK is not a relational database expert, but talking to people that are, wishes for postgresql.
[15:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: +1 for that.
[15:36] <Riddell> ScottK: they used mysql because the mysql developers helped them with setup for embedded use
[15:36] <Riddell> in theory is can be ported to postgres or whatever easily enough but would need to bypass the normal server setup
[15:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you looked into what Debian's plans are?
[15:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: If I put this on the server team meeting agenda for discussion, could you come and talk about what we want?
[16:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: depends on the meeting time really
[16:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope
[16:21]  * apachelogger was happy enough that akonadi sort of worked in intrepid ;-)
[16:23] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Generally Tuesday at (IIRC) 1300 UTC.
[16:24] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: 1500UTC.
[16:25] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: should work
[16:26] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Great.  I'll mark it on the agenda then.
[16:26] <apachelogger> ok
[16:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, akonadi doesn't do mysql embedded (yet anyway)
[16:31] <apachelogger> amarok does
[16:31] <apachelogger> that is the reason amarok only requires mysql runtime data while akonadi needs the whole daemon
[16:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: We're on the agenda now for tomorrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[16:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: I may have to be at the meeting via my phone's IRC client, so please be prepared for some background discussion.
[16:45] <apachelogger> aye
[18:17] <ScottK> For whoever is doing/did kdebase-workspace, this just got uploaded: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.73-0ubuntu4
[18:22] <Tm_T> hmmm, isn't that, like, old now?
[18:23] <apachelogger> what is old?
[18:24] <ScottK-laptop> Tm_T: Someone not involved in Kubuntu stuff just uploaded a new revision.
[18:25] <Tm_T> interesting
[18:25] <Tm_T> but isn't 4.1.80 out ? (aka beta?)
[18:25] <Tm_T> apachelogger: 2017.50 < ScottK> For whoever is doing/did kdebase-workspace, this just got uploaded: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.73-0ubuntu4
[18:26] <apachelogger> kde svn 891054
[18:27] <ScottK> Tm_T: It is, but not uploaded yet.  Wanted to make sure whoever was doing it didn't miss that new patch .
[18:27] <nixternal> jjesse: kblogger is what you are looking for
[18:27] <apachelogger> ewww that is!
[18:28]  * apachelogger pokes lool in the eye for making apachelogger do a merge
[18:28] <nixternal> apachelogger: make that bot come back with the svn+ssh://<username>@svn.kde.org/**
[18:28] <apachelogger> stdin: ^
[18:29] <apachelogger> IMHO the bot should spit out the commit message
[18:29] <nixternal> I like that idea as well
[18:29] <Tm_T> aye
[18:29] <nixternal> get rid of that anonsvn crap :p
[18:30] <lool> Hi folks, sorry for not coordinating the kdebase-workspace upload; I intended to do so but was distracted by dinner
[18:30] <Tm_T> lool: :-P
[18:30] <lool> (and I didn't think you were planning another upload as .73 seemed recently uploaded)
[18:30] <lool> The only change is the addition of a patch
[18:30] <lool> Which I got mostly merged upstream
[18:30] <lool> This fixes armel ftbfs
[18:31] <nixternal> nice lool...there are a bunch of armel ftbfs that need to be fixed..glad we have someone working on that kind of stuff
[18:31] <apachelogger> lool: FYI, we usually prefix the patch names with kubuntu_
[18:31] <nixternal> lord knows when I get my armel system, I want KDE 4 on it :)
[18:32] <lool> Uh the package ftbfsed on the buildds though, and I don't see an error message
[18:32] <lool> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement.Inhibit.xml', needed by `powerdevil/daemon/powermanagementinhibitadaptor.cpp'.  Stop.
[18:33] <lool> It built here, so I guess I uploaded at a bad time
[18:33] <lool> Sorry about that  :-/
[18:33] <apachelogger> lool: kde4libs is at 4.1.80 now
[18:33] <apachelogger> so I guess that it a transition FTBFS
[18:33] <apachelogger> or... I hope it is ;-)
[18:33] <lool> apachelogger: I thought this was for kubuntu specific patches; at this patch was suitable to e.g. debian I didn't prefix it; perhaps that was wrong
[18:34] <apachelogger> lool: anything that is not in debian as well usually gets prefixed
[18:34]  * apachelogger thinks that upstream patches should get a kde_ prefix though
[18:34] <lool> Got it
[18:35] <lool> Who's preparing the 4.1.80 kdebase-workspace upload?
[18:35] <lool> I don't think I can prepare it myself; would someone be so kind to add the patch to this upload?
[18:35] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/60_arm-qreal-float-casts.diff
[18:36] <lool> Basically trivial changes in three files; it might have been half merged before 4.1.80
[18:36] <lool> I think it's all merged in SVN now
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> I think I saw a commit about qreals yesterday, so it might not be in 4.1.80 at all
[18:37] <apachelogger> lool: I already add your change to the 4.1.80 packaging
[18:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, more like todayish (UTC)
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:38] <lool> apachelogger: Thanks
[18:38] <lool> JontheEchidna: Some yesterday, some today
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> 4.1.80 tagging was a week or two ago, so it doesn't really matter I guess :P
[19:02] <nixternal> I just want a Jaunty that works damnit
[19:02] <nixternal> server is the only thing working for me at home
[19:02] <nixternal> recent cd wise that is
[20:14]  * smarter wonders what's so special about the way youtube displays flash videos that make them almost always fail to load on Konqueror
[21:25] <Riddell> ~twitter update eating Berliners with Nightrose and fregl
[21:25] <kubotu> status updated
[21:25] <Riddell> yay
[21:33] <NCommander> hey apachelogger
[22:26] <steveire> Does anyone have Jonathan Jesse's email address?
[22:28] <steveire> He doesn't allow comments on his blog, but he wants this link: http://mikearthur.co.uk/2008/09/kde-blog-from-korganizer-howto/
[22:28]  * ScottK-laptop tries mono bindings fixing ....
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> steveire: jjesse@gmail.com according to his LP page
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~jjesse
[22:42] <steveire> JontheEchidna: Good point. I should have checked there
[22:42] <steveire> JontheEchidna: Did you make any progress with kopete?
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> Ended up manually specifying the qca2 path
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> not pretty but it'll work for now
[22:44] <steveire> I see.
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, msn support will have to wait a bit though. The good thing is that the package is being included in debian
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> We've started uploading beta1 to jaunty and we'll probably be rolling it out to a PPA for Intrepid in the next few days
[22:45] <NCommander> hey JontheEchidna
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> hi
[22:47] <steveire> Good stuff.
[23:12] <kb9vqf> Hey, a quick question for anyone who might know: how the KDE3 ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig file generated?  I can't find it in any of the Ubuntu packages.
[23:14] <smarter> kb9vqf: probably from the KDM configure module in systemsettings
[23:14] <kb9vqf> smarter: But it is required for first login
[23:15] <kb9vqf> smarter: or the user can't login.
[23:15] <smarter> no file from ~/.kde can possibly be required
[23:15] <smarter> since it's created at runtime by KDE
[23:15] <smarter> once the session is started
[23:17] <kb9vqf> smarter: Thanks, I'll look into the source then, as it seems that KDE3 is not auto-generating this file in the new ~/.kde3 prefix
[23:17] <smarter> strange
[23:18] <smarter> what's the exact error message?
[23:18] <kb9vqf> smarter: Isn't it? :)  I'll try to get you the exact error, give me a minute to fire up the VM
[23:23] <kb9vqf> smarter: Here it is: 86: Can't open /timothy/.kde/share/config/startupconfig
[23:24] <smarter> and it fails because of that? creating the file solve it?
[23:24] <kb9vqf> smarter: This is in response to a startkde command, as KDM just restarts, presumably after receiving the same error
[23:24] <kb9vqf> Yes, that is the reason
[23:24] <kb9vqf> smarter: creating the file solves it
[23:25] <smarter> kstartupconfig is used to create that file(grep for it in /usr/bin/startkde)
[23:25] <smarter> maybe it's somehow not working
[23:26] <smarter> try launching an X server with just an xterm and launch sh -x /usr/bin/startkde
[23:26] <smarter> it will displays everything the script will do and should help you debug that
[23:26]  * smarter is off to bed
[23:26] <smarter> 'night guys
[23:27] <kb9vqf> smarter: thanks!
[23:35] <ScottK-laptop> Hey, I think kde4bindings got past the mono stuff with no FTBFS ....
[23:42] <Riddell> ooh