[07:22] <skotti_> Hello everyone
[07:27] <playya> hi
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[08:30] <HaggisPC> i tried ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img on my Acer Aspire One A150 yesterday , Awsome !! now writing the ubuntu-8.10-umpc-i386.img to try then will add the progs/fixes for adding UNR stuff so i can have best of both :) these netbooks are brilliant
[08:32] <HaggisPC> booting umpc now :)
[08:36] <HaggisPC> ooo , i like it better than the mid/unr :) but no wifi , guess i need to build latest driver again
[08:40] <HaggisPC> moved left panel to bottom and shrunk hight to 30 :) looks even better now
[08:41] <Alastair_> hi guys
[08:41] <Alastair_> someone with penmount toucscreen around here? :D
[08:43] <HaggisPC> i have no touchscreen , just trying umpc image on my Acer Aspire One A150 , looks awsome !! Alastair_ 
[08:44] <Alastair_> i'm with the regular ubuntu atm, but i'm downloading the mobile version.. the touchscreen is giving me headaches :/
[08:45] <HaggisPC> what device you using it on ?
[08:45] <Alastair_> giga M912M
[08:46] <Alastair_> do you have working wireless ?
[08:46] <HaggisPC> no , i have to build the latest ath5k driver as usual
[08:47] <HaggisPC> installing umpc now
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[08:47] <HaggisPC> thats a nice machine you got Alastair_ 
[08:47] <Alastair_> damn... i hoped at least it'll work out of the box :/
[08:47] <HaggisPC> what wifi you got ?
[08:48] <Alastair_> AR5007EG
[08:48] <HaggisPC> ohh same as the Acer Aspire One
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[08:48] <Alastair_> yea,
[08:48] <Alastair_> how about the touchpad
[08:49] <Alastair_> does it work... xD
[08:49] <HaggisPC> for the mid / unr i had to blacklist the ath_hal and buils a new ath_pci
[08:49] <HaggisPC> touchpad works fine :)
[08:49] <Alastair_> ^^ lol, at least something to look forward..
[08:49] <HaggisPC> build*
[08:50] <Alastair_> mine doesn't work with the regular version..
[08:50] <HaggisPC> i'll link you to the info and download for wifi , 2 secs
[08:50] <Alastair_> thx :p
[08:51] <Alastair_> btw. how did you burn the image ?
[08:52] <Alastair_> now i see it's .img file, i can't write it to the flash with unetbootin
[08:52] <HaggisPC> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne
[08:52] <HaggisPC> see the wifi part
[08:52] <HaggisPC> dd it
[08:53] <HaggisPC> in windows i use flashnul
[08:54] <HaggisPC> http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://shounen.ru/soft/flashnul/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dflashnul%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26hs%3D7k4
[08:55] <HaggisPC> howto flashnul here http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://shounen.ru/soft/flashnul/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dflashnul%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26hs%3D7k4
[08:59] <HaggisPC> sudo dd if=/path/to/your/downloaded.img of=/dev/usb-device Alastair_  :)
[08:59] <HaggisPC> allthat should help :)
[09:01] <Alastair_> the problem is i'm running windows on my main pc :D
[09:02] <Alastair_> still waiting for my new drive to arrive in order to migrate
[09:03] <HaggisPC> use flashnul and a usb stick :)
[09:04] <HaggisPC> stick in your usb stick then got start / run type cmd to get comand prompt
[09:04] <HaggisPC> got = goto
[09:05] <HaggisPC> the cd to dir you have flashnul and image in
[09:05] <HaggisPC> type flashnul -p ,then you will see which number your drive is
[09:06] <HaggisPC> then
[09:06] <playya> i think the problem is that the windows pc has a different wifi chip
[09:06] <HaggisPC> thype flashnul THE_NUMBER -L image.img :)
[09:08] <HaggisPC> Fedora 10 manages to select the correct driver :P
[09:08] <HaggisPC> hehe
[09:08] <Alastair_> i think i managed to write it, now i'll test it
[09:08] <HaggisPC> i don't mind building it each time but i am sure others are getting pissed off by now
[09:10] <playya> just avoid kernel updates
[09:11] <HaggisPC> why module ath5k get included is beyond me
[09:11] <HaggisPC> it would have save loads of hedaches
[09:12] <HaggisPC> brb , going to build http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3835-20080801.tar.gz
[09:12] <HaggisPC> at least i know this works fine :)
[09:22] <HaggisPC> cannot find build-essential , apt-get install build-essential gives not found
[09:22] <HaggisPC> time for a coffee and ciggie i think
[09:28] <HaggisPC> silly me apt-get update then apt-get install build-essential lol
[09:32] <HaggisPC> building happy now :)
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[09:51] <haggisAAO> 8-) yay :) on wifi via umpc and Acer Aspire One A150 
[09:51] <Alastair_> it's alive....... lol
[09:52] <Alastair_> i've managed to boot the umpc version
[09:52] <HaggisPC> yay !!
[09:53] <HaggisPC> do you have wifi ? probably not
[09:53] <Alastair_> i'll know in a few sec
[09:53] <Alastair_> slow flash...
[09:53] <Alastair_> it booted
[09:53] <HaggisPC> ohh your still running from flash
[09:54] <Alastair_> the interface is strange
[09:54] <Alastair_> love the virtual kb tho xD
[09:54] <HaggisPC> :)
[09:54] <Alastair_> but the touchscreen is still fu*ked up
[09:55] <Alastair_> no touchpad too -.-
[09:55] <HaggisPC> fheck
[09:55] <HaggisPC> i got my first bug !!
[09:55] <Alastair_> no wireless also
[09:56] <HaggisPC> brightness applet is screwed
[09:56] <Alastair_> damn, i have no luck :/
[09:56] <Alastair_> lol... mine works xD
[09:56] <HaggisPC> so add a mouse for now then we will fix your wifi
[09:57] <Alastair_> at least the menus are large and i can touch them
[09:57] <HaggisPC> applet grabs focus but doesnt return it so i am in limbo lol
[09:57] <HaggisPC> ohh get terminal then
[09:57] <Alastair_> which is better
[09:57] <Alastair_> mobile or nbr
[09:58] <HaggisPC> have both :) 
[09:58] <Alastair_> that's why i'm asking xD
[09:58] <HaggisPC> you can add nbr to this :)
[09:58] <HaggisPC> i'll give you link once i find it again , 2 sec
[09:59] <Alastair_> the only difference i saw is that strange launcher nbr has :s
[09:59] <HaggisPC> try sudo ts_calibrate  to fix touchscreen , i guess ubuntu will use it
[10:00] <Alastair_> command not found
[10:00] <HaggisPC> yes Alastair_ but it is great for fast switching to different progs :)
[10:00] <HaggisPC> google ubuntu touchscreen then :P
[10:01] <Alastair_> my biggest problem is the touchpad :/
[10:01] <Alastair_> everything else i can overlook for the moment
[10:01] <HaggisPC> i will find mid/unr link
[10:01] <Alastair_> for now i'll install this
[10:02] <HaggisPC> okay , i'll try help with touchpad after wifi
[10:03] <Alastair_> i've bookmarked that link you gave me, i'll try it after installing it
[10:03] <HaggisPC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/TurnUMPCDesktopIntoNetbook
[10:03] <HaggisPC> okay hook up an ethernet cable , the apt-get update
[10:04] <HaggisPC> then*
[10:04] <Alastair_> hm xD
[10:04] <HaggisPC> some of that you won't want to do as you have touchscreen
[10:05] <Alastair_> i think i like the standart umpc version better xD
[10:05] <HaggisPC> me too :)
[10:06] <HaggisPC> killed xserver :)
[10:06] <Alastair_> lol
[10:06] <Alastair_> btw. how did you partition your disk
[10:06] <Alastair_> i'm wondering how much swap space to leave
[10:06] <HaggisPC> guided , then used all disk
[10:07] <Alastair_> nah, i want to create a 2nd storage partition, the disk is 160gb
[10:07] <HaggisPC> removed that dam brightness applet :)
[10:08] <HaggisPC> just use free space you can change things/sizes with gparted later
[10:09] <Alastair_> i left it with 270mb swap, i think it'll be enough
[10:10] <HaggisPC> aye
[10:12] <theseinfeld> Hobbsee, ogra, any changes to bug #289402  and kdebase-workspace builds?
[10:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 289402 in kdebase-workspace "circular build dependency between kdebase-workspace and kde4bindings, broken on lpia and hppa" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289402
[10:14] <Alastair_> 271mb swap 13.5gb system, rest storage xD
[10:15] <Alastair_> i think the touchscreen is screwing the touchpad
[10:16] <HaggisPC> could be , mabey someone with more experience can help there , mabey rmmod the touchpad driver
[10:17] <HaggisPC> to see if touchscreen fixes
[10:17] <Alastair_> nah
[10:17] <HaggisPC> or other way around :()
[10:17] <Alastair_> the touchscreen is working, it just doesn't work at the edges of the screen
[10:17] <Alastair_> around half a cm ;/
[10:18] <HaggisPC> ahh you need to calibrate it
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[10:18] <Alastair_> yea, but can't find a way to do it :/
[10:19] <Alastair_> there is no proprietary driver for 8.10, and the calibration tool from the old driver doesnt work
[10:19] <Alastair_> 75% installed :D
[10:19] <HaggisPC> system > administration > touchscreen :)
[10:20] <Alastair_> jesus, how stupid can i be
[10:20] <HaggisPC> :P
[10:20] <Alastair_> just send the machine to sleew
[10:20] <Alastair_> sleep
[10:20] <HaggisPC> heck !
[10:20] <Alastair_> pressed fn+f1 instead alt+f1
[10:21] <Alastair_> lol
[10:21] <Alastair_> the installation resumed xD
[10:21] <HaggisPC> i just love this umpc mobile image :)
[10:21] <HaggisPC> yay
[10:22] <Alastair_> i hope i didn't damage something
[10:22] <HaggisPC> i am sure it will be fine
[10:23] <Alastair_> that's the 1st feature i disable right away
[10:23] <Alastair_> the damn sleep is useless :s
[10:24] <HaggisPC> me too , i hate such things  , if i want it to go to sleep , ill press the power buton :)
[10:25] <Alastair_> yep...
[10:26] <Alastair_> i only hope this mobile version is more forgiving on the battery ...
[10:26] <HaggisPC> i had loads of updates after i built the wifi and rebooted , 105 of them ,so i hope nothing breaks
[10:26] <Alastair_> under vista it survives for nearly 3hrs with disabled wireless, the regular ubuntu drains it in 1-1:30 without wireless X_X
[10:28] <HaggisPC> hopefully once you get everything updated it will be better anyway
[10:28] <HaggisPC> restarting my AAO now fingers crossed
[10:31] <HaggisPC> botted fine but on wifi , guess ill neet to rebuild
[10:31] <Alastair_> no evtouch capable device found
[10:31] <Alastair_> ;(
[10:31] <HaggisPC> ouch
[10:31] <Alastair_> hm... i'll update first and then fix the wifi xD
[10:33] <HaggisPC> ahh , it war kernel update , so will need to rebuils but first i'll see if i have ath5k module
[10:33] <HaggisPC> war=was
[10:34] <HaggisPC> damn module not found
[10:36] <HaggisPC> make clean
[10:36] <HaggisPC>  ,make ,
[10:36] <HaggisPC> sudo make install then
[10:37] <Alastair_> grr
[10:37] <Alastair_> now i'll have to disconnect my main pc cuz the lack of wifi :/
[10:38] <Alastair_> but i'm too lazy to do it now :D
[10:38] <HaggisPC> Every time there is a kernel update you will need to perform the following steps to make the wireless work. Go to the directory (madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3835-20080801) and run: make clean
[10:38] <HaggisPC>  , make
[10:38] <HaggisPC> , sudo make install ,GRrr
[10:40] <HaggisPC> okay Alastair_ , just follow the wifi part on that link and once you get wifi up and running do an update and then you'll have to build again like i did
[10:41] <HaggisPC> well going for reboot , hopefully wifi will be back again but mabey i'll need new linux headers for the new kernel
[10:42] <HaggisPC> i got wifi again :)
[10:43] <haggisAAO> yay!!
[10:45] <haggisAAO> running kernel 2.6.27-9-generic now
[10:47] <HaggisPC> we wouldn't have all this hastle if the kernel had ath5k built
[10:48] <ogra> HaggisPC, it had ath5k built 
[10:48] <ogra> and it broke the world 
[10:49] <HaggisPC> ahh but i thought it was fixed
[10:49] <ogra> this is why we ship a linux-backports-modules package on the image for later installation, including an ath5k backport from a later and better working kernel version
[10:49] <HaggisPC> ahh :)
[10:49] <ogra> you just eed to install that package to get ath5k
[10:50] <ogra> *need
[10:50] <HaggisPC> i am new to ubuntu as you may have guessed
[10:51] <ogra> there is a /debs dir on your image that should contain the linux-backports-modules package
[10:51] <HaggisPC> so do i need to add new repo sources or just apt-get install linux-backports-modules
[10:51] <ogra> at least on the -umpc image, i'm not sure the dir made it into the -mid images
[10:51] <HaggisPC> cool :)
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[10:52] <Alastair_> hmm.. so if i install this package i won't have to make my own driver ?
[10:52] <ogra> after install, just plug in the usb key you installed from, navigate to the debs dir and doubleclick the package 
[10:52] <HaggisPC> thats cool :)
[10:52] <HaggisPC> now that was well thought out ogra :)
[10:53] <ogra> HaggisPC, nah, well thought out would have been if it just worked right away :)
[10:53] <ogra> but its a usable workaround :)
[10:53] <Alastair_> ogra, are you one of the devs :D
[10:53] <ogra> the next release will do better in that regard
[10:53] <ogra> Alastair_, i'm responsible for the -umpc image, yes
[10:54] <HaggisPC> i bet you have had a laugh with me building and breaking stuff to get wifi :)
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[10:54] <Alastair_> lol
[10:54] <ogra> no, i didnt, i just got online and saw the backlog and felt rather sorry :)
[10:55] <ogra> if i would have been up earlier i could have told you earlier ... i guess we need better docs here 
[10:55] <ogra> though if your way worked thats fine as well ... all that counts is tht you get a working system ;)
[10:56] <Alastair_> do you have any suggestions about my problems with the touchscreen & touchpad :?
[10:56] <HaggisPC> just shows i must be learning something :)
[10:56] <ogra> Alastair_, i think the touchscreen driver for the gigabyte is proprietary ... 
[10:57] <ogra> (which means no, sorry)
[10:58] <Alastair_> yup, but unless they include proprietary drivers in the distro there must be a foss one too... :s
[10:58] <Alastair_> cuz i have partially working touchscreen
[10:58] <ogra> hmm
[10:59] <Alastair_> it is recognized and all, just not calibrated :/
[11:00] <ogra> do you happen to know what model and manufacturer the touchscreen is ? 
[11:00] <Alastair_> Penmount 6000 USB
[11:01] <Alastair_> xserver-xorg-input-penmount
[11:01] <ogra> right
[11:01] <Alastair_> i think this is the current driver
[11:01] <ogra> i dont think that package has a calibration tool 
[11:02] <Alastair_> there is some sort of calibration tool in system>administration
[11:02] <ogra> bug 227183 seems the issue
[11:02] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 227183 in xserver-xorg-input-penmount "no calibration tool" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227183
[11:02] <Alastair_> "Calibrate Touchscreen"
[11:02] <ogra> Alastair_, thats the calibration tool from evtouch
[11:02] <Alastair_> ah.. :D
[11:03] <Alastair_> well, leave the touchscreen, any hope for the touchpad ? :D
[11:03] <ogra> (i wrote that, we'll have something better in jaunty (9.04), for intrepid (8.10) it only works with evtouch devices)
[11:04] <ogra> note really, i dont have much experience with touchpads beyond using one on my laptop ...
[11:05] <ogra> for the touchscreen there seem to be some intresting bits in the bug though
[11:19] <Alastair_> hm.. can't wait for the time when i'll put ubuntu on my ipaq :p
[11:21] <haggisAAO> brb
[11:21] <HaggisPC> need coffee and ciggie 
[11:23] <Alastair_> did you try that backports thingie
[11:26] <HaggisPC> it's old modules compaired to kernel i am running now so , no , i am going to redo from scratch right now
[11:34] <HaggisPC> my house refuses to heat up 13C inside , -5C outside
[11:40] <Alastair_> here it's -6c
[11:41] <HaggisPC> where are you Alastair_ , 10 miles west of Glasgow Scotland here
[11:42] <Alastair_> bulgaria
[11:42] <Alastair_> inside temp 26c according to the AC xD
[11:42] <HaggisPC> nice and warm in your house :)
[11:42] <Alastair_> hm
[11:43] <Alastair_> according to msn weather it's 5c above 0 :s
[11:43] <HaggisPC> lol @ msn
[11:44] <Alastair_> they probably don't account for moist and wind ^^
[11:44] <HaggisPC> yes , feels more like -12 out there
[11:45] <Alastair_> i'm brb, moving the ethernet to the notebook
[11:49] <HaggisPC> backports worked a treat ogra , you should ad info to umpc page , running ath5k now
[12:10]  * bizkut is away: auto-away
[12:28]  * bizkut is back (gone 00:18:13)
[12:28]  * Hobbsee is pondering cake
[12:29] <Hobbsee> bizkut: any chance you can turn that off?
[12:30]  * HaggisPC steals that cake from under Hobbsee's nose
[12:30] <Hobbsee> :(
[12:30] <bizkut> Hobbsee, now you know that I am back :D
[12:31] <Hobbsee> bizkut: yeah, but /away <reason> exists for a reason, far less intrusively
[12:31] <Hobbsee> ie, people who specifically look for you will know you're away, not the general population
[12:32] <bizkut> Hobbsee, I turn the away on so people don't have to wait if I don't answer their /query/questions because they know I am not in front of my pc
[12:32] <bizkut> ok then
[12:35] <Hobbsee> bizkut: but they see that anyway, with the /away.  That's why it's useful :)
[12:36] <ogra> beyond that its a general politeness rule in ubuntu channels to not annoy people with automated in/out messages, please turn it off
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ogra: that too
[12:50] <HaggisPC> back l8a
[13:01] <Alastair_> damn
[13:02] <Alastair_> the wireless worked for a while, but after the update all went to hell -.-
[13:28] <theseinfeld> Hobbsee, you there?
[13:28] <theseinfeld> ogra?
[13:28] <ogra> theseinfeld, what did you break again ? :)
[13:28] <theseinfeld> nothing, I just try to understand this #289402
[13:29] <theseinfeld> so, why the kdebase-workspace builds on i386 and not on lpia?
[13:29] <theseinfeld> to quote from southpark: It doesn't make any sense. :D
[13:31] <theseinfeld> if we find the answer there,...we can fix the #289402 in lpia
[13:31] <theseinfeld> and hppa
[13:35] <theseinfeld> mdz, are you guys going to drop the lpia?
[13:40] <ogra> theseinfeld, this will be discussed at UDS
[13:41] <ogra> (as i told you last week already)
[13:43] <hagisbasheruk> ogra, you should make a note about adding backports to /etc/apt/sources.list for future upgrades for ath5k users , did upgrade and lost wifi lol , forgot to check my sources for backports before running
[13:44] <ogra> you shouldnt add backports
[13:44] <ogra> linux-backports-modules is a regular package that lives in intrepid-updates ... 
[13:44] <hagisbasheruk> well after kernel update i have no ath5k module
[13:45] <ogra> not in intrepid-backports
[13:45] <hagisbasheruk> okay :)
[13:45] <hagisbasheruk> should i remove backports from sources ?
[13:46] <ogra> well, backports are usually packages from the next release that get backported ... given the status of 9.04 i wouldnt expect much stability from such packages
[13:47] <hagisbasheruk> ahh ... okay removed ;) thanks
[13:47] <ogra> linux-backports-modules just means that single modules will be backported from newer kernel versions and put into this package 
[13:47] <ogra> it isnt related to the backports archive :)
[13:49] <hagisbasheruk> ahh well thats what has caused me the confusion , should be named different then ;)
[13:50] <ogra> file a bug, probably the kernel team agrees ;)
[13:50] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[13:52] <hagisbasheruk> ohh bye the way , now that i love this umpc image feel free to use me for testing on the Acer aspire one a150
[13:54] <hagisbasheruk> its great that i have only found one bug , brightness applet doesn't work for me and keeps focus
[14:27] <hagisbasheruk> filed my first ubuntu bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/303998
[14:27] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 303998 in ubuntu-mobile "brightness applet doesn't work on Acer Aspire One A150 , applet freeze and holds focus so have to kill X server " [Undecided,New]
[14:32] <hagisbasheruk> forgot to check if bug was still there after all the updates , it is still present
[16:25] <hagisbasheruk> anyway to make the navbar in the midbrowser smaller , i am in the about:config now