/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/01/#ubuntu-ops.txt

ubottuIn #ubuntuforums, vorian said: !omgjacob is it's jacobs fault!01:10
elky_workorly?01:12
vorianmostly01:13
vorianso it should be something like, it's almost always jacobs fault01:13
vorianor ignored completely :)01:13
LjLanyone using bip and could give a hint or two about its apparent oddities?01:28
bazhang@bansearch cheesebender01:40
ubottuNo matches found for cheesebender!n=wos3@c-24-91-146-111.hsd1.ct.comcast.net in any channel01:40
FlannelHes wos, and that nick rings a bell (besides the one thing in the bt)01:41
bazhangyep wos1,2,3 &4; noted time-waster01:42
LjLFlannel, bazhang: ah so i wasn't the only one already getting pissed at him without even really looking at what he's saying01:43
bazhangLjL, he always does ask things like that01:43
bazhangwhy is utc better than gmt, how to hide time zone in my browser, etc01:46
Flannelbazhang: GMT does DST01:47
Flanneloh01:47
bazhangFlannel, sure it does01:47
bazhangzsquareplusc already gave him the solution01:47
bazhangrogan, how may we help you01:48
roganum I was forwarded into this channel01:48
roganweird01:48
rogan#kubuntu is my auto start ant it forwarded here01:49
Flannelit did.01:49
roganand wtf is this shit [19:49] <ubot5> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail01:49
bazhangrogan, please watch the language01:50
Flannelrogan: Do you have any idea why you may have been forwarded here?01:50
roganI connected and got this  > 01:51
rogan[470] #kubuntu #ubuntu-ops Forwarding to another channel01:51
rogan[19:48] [Notice] -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to #ubuntu-ops - Home of the operators for official K/X/Ed/Ubuntu channels. Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here"01:51
LjLrogan, you've been forwarded here because you didn't watch your language to begin with01:51
roganno01:51
LjLno? ok, then you haven't01:51
rogani just logged on 01:51
Flannelrogan: Right, because an operator figured we should have a conversation with you, instead of a right out ban01:51
LjLin that case, rogan, i don't know why you were forwarded here and cannot help you. sorry.01:52
rogandude I just turned on my computer01:52
roganturned on computer > opened irc and got forwarded here01:52
roganthen some bot said thats for your edit request whatever that means01:53
LjLrogan: yes, i really did think that was because you didn't watch your language01:53
bazhangrogan were you not asking how to upgrade to amarok2 just a short while ago?01:53
roganof course then I restarted my computer and this occured01:53
bazhangnothing else of note in the interim?01:54
Flannelrogan: You know the rest of the world still exists between reboots, right?01:54
rogannever the les I never submitted a "edit request"01:54
Flannelrogan: This has nothing to do with the edit request, by the way.01:54
roganflannel: sorry I dont understand your sarcastic remark01:54
roganand I have nothing to do with it wither01:55
roganeither*01:55
Flannelrogan: You were forwarded here because of your conduct before you turned off your computer.01:55
Flannelwhich was just before you turned it back on and reconnected.01:55
roganwell what was my conduct?01:55
bazhanguse of extreme invective towards another user; to wit, the one who helped you01:56
rogansounds extreme01:56
bazhangrogan, a couple of documents for you to read01:57
bazhang!coc > rogan 01:57
ubotturogan, please see my private message01:57
bazhang!guidelines > rogan 01:57
bazhanghttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines rogan01:57
rogansounds great! I will get to reading them ASAP02:00
bazhangrogan you should not be discussing your ban in #ubuntu02:02
bazhangor any other #ubuntu channel as a matter of fact02:02
rogankinda sad this is how you spend your day :)02:03
LjLthat's true02:04
LjLtime to cut it short02:04
bazhangwhat about #ubuntu02:04
bazhangoops02:04
LjLhe goes.02:04
LjLa fellow with no concept of respect in his brain, not a glimpse, let him find help from "man"02:05
LjL@mark #ubuntu-ops rogan Smells like a troll, but even if they're just a rude fellow, I'd say they're too rude for this place.02:05
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Flannel+102:06
bazhang* [jahshua] (i=nesta@the.wrong.domain.name): herpez!02:07
bazhang<rogan> can someone unban me from #ubuntu some stupid mod is trying to mess with me02:19
bazhangfrom #freenode02:19
Flannelsigh02:19
vorianyou meanies02:19
bazhangits that darned code of conduct02:20
vorian:)02:20
Flannelsigh02:40
jussio1!away > Secutor02:41
FlannelWhere is he?02:41
FlannelBesides my LoCo channel, that is.  #k?02:41
jussio1#k02:41
FlannelAh02:41
macowhen did #ubuntu-offtopic become the place to talk about past hookups?03:45
bazhang* [sdlwof] (n=left@96-36-50-145.static.aldl-nbb.mi.charter.com): ouch  <-- needs to be removed pronto03:47
bazhangthat channel has become insanely out of control03:48
bazhangI dont have privileges there maco , or they would be gone03:48
macothe last few days have been oddly out of control there03:48
bazhanginsanely so03:49
Flannelmaco: It ebbs and flows.  Its a weeend, and a holiday one at that.03:49
bazhang<mylogic> I hooked up with the right one right after I got done compiling a new kernel for the server I was about colo last summer03:49
bazhang<sdlwof> sounds liek their sluts03:50
bazhang<__mikem> sdlwof: they are from the looks of it03:50
bazhangalways the same problem *every* weekend...03:51
Flannelerm, and one of them claims to be ban evading.  Lovely.03:53
macoyeah just saw that03:53
bazhang* [mylogic] (n=matt@74-37-30-58.dsl1.tbr.ga.frontiernet.net): matt03:54
bazhang* [__mikem] (n=michaelm@USF-WiFi-ResHall-nat-204.resnet.usf.edu): Michael Miller03:54
bazhangthis is on the level with -ru03:55
macohuh?03:55
Flannelmaco: Nothing03:55
macook. i'm going to go sit in nice quiet #ubuntu-women then :P03:55
macobye bye03:55
bazhangmneptok, you around?03:56
bazhangsdlwof> haha, i keep hoppoing from ap to ap, i've gotten like 20 different subnets on the ban list already03:58
bazhang!staff03:58
ubottuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could  use a bit of your time :)03:58
Flannelbazhang: Eh?  just regular ops should be enough03:58
bazhangplease take a look in #ubuntu-offtopic03:58
bazhangFlannel, none seem to be around03:58
Flannelbazhang: most/all of staff are ops03:59
Flannelat least, as far as triggers goe03:59
Flannelgo, even03:59
ubottubazhang called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (sdlwof __mikem mylogic)03:59
bazhangenough is enough.04:00
Flannelbazhang: What did __mikem do?04:00
bazhangif that does not do it, then whatever.04:00
bazhangFlannel, he was fully a part of that whole convo04:00
Flannelbazhang: He stopped when asked, and his conversation before wasn't something I'd consider offtopic. Personal, sure, but that's not grounds for anything04:01
bazhangFlannel, commenting on girls being sluts is not A-OK in my opinion04:02
bazhangin any #ubuntu channel04:02
Flannelbazhang: That wasn't __mikem04:03
Flannelthat was sdf...whatever04:03
bazhang<__mikem> sdlwof: they are from the looks of it  <---following the comment 'sounds liek their sluts'04:04
Flannelfair enough04:05
Flannelbazhang: matt == mylogic04:12
* mylogic grumbles04:13
sdlwofi'll take the balde04:14
sdlwofblade*04:14
mylogicCan someone please tell me the grounds for the ban this time, because looking through the logs is not getting me anywhere04:14
bazhang<mylogic> those girls are pass-arounds by any means04:15
sdlwofhaha04:15
sdlwofforgot about that one04:15
mylogicI meant aren't04:16
bazhangmylogic, and the ban evasion04:16
mylogiclook at the following comments04:16
mylogicit was obviously a typo04:16
mylogicthe sentence wouldn't even make sense had I intended to type are as opposed to aren't04:16
mylogicI would have said "by all means"04:17
HobbseeAh, the ban evader is here too.04:17
sdlwofhuh? me?04:18
Hobbseeno, mylogic 04:18
mylogicHobbsee: there is an obvious miscommunication on my original ban04:18
sdlwoftrue that.04:18
Hobbseemylogic: all 4 of them?04:18
sdlwofnaw, only the 4th one04:18
mylogicoriginal ban, meaning singular first ban04:18
sdlwofthis most recent ban is because of me....04:19
mylogicif you would like me to show you the log, it's very clear that I mistyped are instead of aren't04:19
mylogicoh, well yeah, I guess the first 2 were deserved04:19
bazhangmylogic, you were asked to stop.04:19
mylogicmy apologies... I forgot about those04:19
bazhangmylogic, not only did you not stop04:19
mylogicbazhang: You failed to tell me where I was being too offtopic04:20
Hobbseemylogic: and seeing those have not been removed, it's thus ban evasion, whatever rubbish you managed to come up with today.04:20
bazhangmylogic, but you persisted, mocked, were banned, and then immediately ban-evaded04:20
Hobbseeso...04:20
mylogicthe only thing you did do was let me know that controversial things were offtopic04:20
bazhangmylogic, the !stop should have provided a clue.04:20
mylogicwell, it didn't, and still doesn't04:21
mylogicnothing I was speaking of was controversial, then when sdlwof made his comment about women being passed around04:21
bazhangmylogic, then you need to read the code of conduct04:21
bazhang!coc04:21
ubottuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/04:21
mylogicI was standing up for my friends by intending to say they are anything but passarounds04:21
mylogicbut mistyped a word04:21
bazhangyour ban evasion does not give you much credibility mylogic 04:22
mylogicso you're trying to base the origins of your wrongly made first ban on my later actions?04:22
bazhangnope.04:22
mylogicI'm not sure where you are from, but that wouldn't give you much jurisdiction in most countries04:22
sdlwofyour banning him for something i turned into a flame war.04:23
bazhangmylogic, you need to read the code of conduct04:23
mylogicI was unaware of my ban evasion, because quite frankly I have better things to do in my life than read a code of conduct for a chat network04:23
Hobbseemylogic: LjL made the first lot of bans.  You weren't even supposed to be in there, and were ban evading.04:23
bazhangand the guidelines04:23
mylogicone in which is based on freedom of speech04:23
Hobbseetherefore, bazhang was right to reban you, whatever you said.04:23
bazhang!guidelines | mylogic 04:23
ubottumylogic: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines04:23
mylogicHobbsee: the original ban was removed supposively04:23
Hobbseeditto when I got you the second time04:23
bazhangfreedom of speech does not entitle you to say what you said mylogic 04:24
bazhangubuntu is about humanity towards others.04:24
mylogicI didn't say ANYTHING sexist or mean04:24
mylogicI made a typo04:24
bazhangnot just those of the male gender mylogic 04:24
bazhangmylogic, odd you never corrected that 'typo'04:25
mylogicI never realized I had made one04:25
bazhangindeed.04:25
sdlwofnot everyone has spellcheck.04:25
Hobbseeeveryone should have a braincheck.04:25
mylogiclook at the sentence, it doesn't make sense had I intended to say that04:25
sdlwofHobbsee, i'm not arguing my ban....04:25
mylogicI didn't make a spelling error, therefore I didn't see a little red squiggly line04:26
bazhangsdlwof, then you can part04:26
mylogicare and aren't are both words04:26
Hobbseesdlwof: didn't think so.  You've got very little leverages to argue with <grin>04:26
sdlwofbazhang, you said for me to join to discuss mylogic ban04:26
mylogicit's obvious by my sentence structure that I had intended to say aren't04:26
bazhangsdlwof, no I did not.04:26
sdlwof<bazhang> you and he can come to #ubuntu-ops if you wish to discuss04:26
mylogicalong with my sentence structure04:27
macosdlwof: i believe they're implying "your own bans"04:27
bazhangsdlwof, yes, your individual case, not defend his.04:27
sdlwofWHICH , was typed after i msged you with04:27
bazhangsdlwof, you are not someone anyone would hire as a counselor imo04:27
sdlwofbazhang naw, man, only ban me, not mylogic, they were talking not sexual about the pciture, i jumped in and made everything a flame. at the least only ban me.04:27
mylogicas for previous bans, I have #ubuntu-offtopic on my auto join, had I actually evaded my ban, I had no idea, I just assumed it was a couple day ban that had been lifted04:27
sdlwofi'm not saying i am, i'm here beacuse i don't think it's right for you to ban mylogic for something i started into  a flame...04:28
mylogicand they were pictures of MY friends, why in the WORLD would I speak in sexist terms of them04:28
macolooking at the /lastlog, sdlwof is the one that was bragging about ban-evading, not mylogic04:28
sdlwofhis ban evasions, that's antoher story, but the ban in relation to the chat a few minutes ago.04:28
macomylogic simply stated that he had already received a ban once this week...nothing about the terms of it04:29
mylogicas for the first ban, it was for a joke when I kid came in talking about programming virus' in bash and babbling his mouth off, and I jokingly told him to forkbomb, which I know was stupid and I shouldn't have pasted the code in or whatever but I quickly referenced him to what it was04:29
mylogicthe second ban I think was for something like spamming or pasting to many lines?04:29
bazhangsdlwof, if you are not here to argue your own ban, then please depart the channel.04:30
sdlwofyou said to for mylogic and i to join to discuss the bans. 04:30
bazhangyour own, not his.04:30
mylogicmaco: I was justifying why I was going to not further do anything moderators told me not to do, I wasn't bragging about a ban04:31
sdlwofhis last ban is because of me....04:31
macomylogic: i know. i said it was only sdlwof that was bragging04:31
sdlwofyou banned both of us beacuse of the same reason, but it as something i started, and i deserve the ban, not him.04:31
bazhangsdlwof, please depart.04:31
sdlwofbazhang, you can use that ban button again.04:31
sdlwofasshole.04:31
Flannelsdlwof: You're not helping your cause, or his cause, by remaining in her, or by your conduct.04:32
Flannelhere, that is.04:32
mylogicLook, I always try to mind my own business and don't start situations like this... but I just feel I didn't do anything wrong initially04:33
bazhangmylogic, this is not about freedom of speech.04:33
mylogicgranted I probably didn't follow up in the best way, but I'm not familiar with how this whole chain of command thing works04:33
bazhangmylogic, please wait while sdlwof departs04:34
bazhangmylogic, we will discuss once he has gone.04:34
mylogicare you telling me that as a statement, or as though I'm doing something wrong by him staying here?04:35
sdlwofi'll leave if you promise to be straight with mylogic 04:35
bazhangmaco, could you please depart as well?04:35
sdlwofi think him judging your ban because of me is wrong04:36
macoyeah04:36
bazhangsdlwof, this will be discussed once you are gone.04:36
* sdlwof shits on bazhang shoes04:36
bazhangmylogic, was the ban only in -ot?04:37
mylogicyeah04:37
Flannel@mark sdlwof04:37
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bazhangnot in #ubuntu?04:37
mylogicno04:37
bazhangmylogic, and hobbsee was saying this is your 4th ban there?04:37
mylogicI only talk in ubuntu when I am talking about ubuntu related things04:37
mylogicfrom what I have gathered I apparently have one on my "record", if you will, for pasting too much and spamming? Though I don't remember anything of it04:38
mylogicI only know of one... this being my second04:38
mylogicand I think he was saying something about me joining back now gave me a 4th?04:39
mylogicI just don't understand why all this ruckus began in the first place, snux was telling me of some girl he was having problems with, and posted a picture04:40
mylogic__mike then followed suit and showed a picture of a girl he was talking to04:40
bazhangmylogic, how about we revisit this in 24 hours.04:40
mylogicI then did the same thing, though a picture of a girl I am talking to and another girl, when sdlwof made some snide comment04:41
mylogicand I responded protecting them, though left out an "n't" so it looked bad... and I get banned04:41
mylogicwhat does that mean?04:41
Flannelmylogic: We're giving you the benefit of the doubt regarding accidental ban evasion (for your forkbomb, earlier in the week).04:42
mylogicright04:42
mylogicbut what about this, I didn't do anything wrong04:42
bazhangand today as well.04:42
Flannelmylogic: Ignore what went on today as far as talking goes.  Had we known you were ban evading, you would've been banned immediately again.04:43
mylogicI knew I had done something wrong in the prior (granted it was taken by all as a joke, including the one I directed it at) and I sent a message to LjL saying I understand why he did what he did, but I promised to never do it again04:43
mylogicso I assumed my ban was lifted, then this, and now I'm being charged for something in which I didn't do now, and this blind ban-evasion charge?04:43
mylogicthat's just not fair.04:43
Flannelmylogic: And the fact that you're aware of that is why we've even considered doing it.  otherwise that ban would persist for a while longer.04:43
mylogicright, I understand that04:44
mylogicso I was in fact still suppose to be banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?04:44
mylogicI wasn't aware of that04:44
mylogicSo where can I go from here, what can I do to right whatever wrong I have done and go back to talking about mindless topics with people in that channel?04:45
Flannelmylogic: Come back here in 24 hours, and it'll likely all be taken care of.04:47
bazhangcome back in 24 hrs04:47
mylogicbleh... ok, I guess that'll work04:47
mylogicsorry for any inconvenience04:47
FlannelI found his previous ban, tagged with "mylogic" so we can remove both of them when it comes time.04:48
Flannel *!*@12.173.146.16004:48
bazhangokay thanks04:49
=== jussio1 is now known as jussi01
* jussi01 walks in and waves!06:26
jussi01nobody around? thats sad...06:31
bazhangjussi01, how is your knee?06:32
Tm_Tjussi01: who's you're calling round?!06:36
bazhangjussi01, hope you're alright06:41
bazhang* [nbeebo] (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com): rikard enedahl in -ot06:43
bazhanghave to go out for a bit06:43
ikonia07:10 < ScarySquirrel> Is ikonia the only user of this channel who provides  good Ubuntu advice?07:11
ikoniacheck out my fan club !07:11
elky_e71hehe07:14
elky_e71its not all that far from the truth, either07:14
ikoniaHmmmm 07:17
ikonianot sure I'd agree on that07:17
ubottuIn #ubuntu, alex_mayorga said: !mx is For Ubuntu Mexico visit #ubuntu-mx or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMxTeam07:27
ikoniaban07:31
ikoniaoops07:31
ikoniawould someone please remove this forward in -ops07:32
ikonia*!*@69.247.132.191!##fix_your_connection07:32
Myrttiikonia: what/who is it?07:35
ikoniaximal his connection is fixed07:35
Myrttiok07:35
ikoniadidn't want to block him out of -ops07:35
ikoniabut I suspect it would come to nothing anyway, however doesn't seem fair to not give that oppertunity 07:50
Myrttiis it just me, but have the requests for using webcam with Yahoo been rising?08:11
Myrttiis that some new feature in Yahoo chat?08:11
FlannelIts not new, no.  Been around since forever08:12
Myrtti!webmin08:14
ubottuwebmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.08:14
Flannelwoo lag08:20
ikoniayes, concur08:20
ikonia@mark EMPulse #ubuntu "hope you get laid" as thanks, then quit08:43
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Myrttihas anyone noticed "StayTuned" joining channels and randomly spamming with a pdf file url?08:51
Myrtti[10:37] ~~~StayTuned [n=station@rrcs-208-125-227-196.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined 08:51
Myrtti          #wikipedia-fi08:51
Myrtti[10:38] < StayTuned> http://www.noisecontrolpublishing.com/zebra/quack.pdf08:51
Myrtti[10:38] < StayTuned> get the word out08:51
Myrtti[10:38] < StayTuned> this is going to be big08:51
Myrtti[10:46]  * Myrtti considers opening a link given by a random drive-by-shooter08:51
Myrtti[10:47] < Myrtti> nääh, not worth it.08:52
Myrtti[10:47] < Myrtti> next08:52
Myrtti[10:48] < Myrtti> totally random link - not worth opening08:52
Myrtti[10:48] < Myrtti> StayTuned: did you actually have anything related to Finnish 08:52
Myrtti                  Wikipedia, or are you just randomly spamming the channels?08:52
elkbuntuMyrtti, it's a flier against psychiatric assault08:54
Myrttielkbuntu: what I'd like to know how it relates to Finnish Wikipedia08:54
Garyor linux08:54
MyrttiI do know what it's about08:54
elkbuntuMyrtti, it relates in that some idiot is spamming wikipedia channels with it.08:54
MyrttiGary: well, that was on the Finnish Wikipedia channel08:54
Myrttiyeah...08:54
elkbuntuand... no, that's the extent.08:55
Myrtti[10:54] < StayTuned> Myrtti - it comes from sweden08:55
Myrtti[10:55] < Myrtti> rrrrriiight.08:55
Garyelkbuntu: he spammed ##Linux too btw08:55
elkbuntuah08:55
elkbuntuGary, so spamming across multiple namespaces... easy pickings08:56
Myrttiikonia: it's not russian08:56
ikoniaahhh thankyou08:56
ikoniawhat langauge08:56
Myrttiikonia: I'd say some Indian language, but don't know what08:56
Myrttiadsl-static-58-136-23-196.csloxinfo.net08:57
Myrttiwhois returns no results for me08:57
MyrttiNo match for "ADSL-STATIC-58-136-23-196.CSLOXINFO.NET".08:57
Myrttioh.08:57
Myrttiwrong domain08:57
Myrttithailand08:58
Myrtti!th08:58
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about th08:58
Myrttiright.08:58
elkbuntu Thai09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntuIsriyaPaireepairit09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntuThaiTeam09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntu#ubuntu-th09:02
Myrttihe has been spamming yup09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntuubuntuclub@googlegroups.com09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntuhttp://forum.ubuntuclub.com09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntuhttp://ubuntuclub.com09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntuYes09:02
elkbuntu09:02
elkbuntu03 Sep 09:02
elkbuntuwhoa... stupid wiki09:02
Myrttiwe need a thai factoid09:03
elkbuntuwho's been spamming?09:03
MyrttiI've not seen him on Ubuntu namespace yet09:03
Myrttibut just wanted to give heads up09:03
elkbuntuubottu, th is <reply> Please see #ubuntu-th for Ubuntu in Thailand.09:04
ubottuI'll remember that, elkbuntu09:04
elkbuntu!th09:04
ubottuPlease see #ubuntu-th for Ubuntu in Thailand.09:04
elkbuntuas good as we can do without speaking thai09:04
Myrttiyup09:04
elkbuntuugh, that had better be some form of electrical device making that buzzing noise....09:10
elkbuntuas opposed to insects that dont have batteries to drain...09:10
Myrttithe only thing I can't withstand with winter is the dry skin.09:15
MyrttiI don't usually moisturise, but this is ridiculous09:15
GaryI do, I'm obviously a good homosexual09:21
MyrttiGary: you're making me feel bad09:21
GaryI never used to, but I spend too long in air-con'd areas, and in the car, dry heat fails09:21
elkbuntuheat? in england?09:35
elkbuntuis this one of those oxymoron sayings?09:35
Garyelkbuntu: heat as in from heaters, which we do have a lot of in england, as it is so bleeding cold, brrr09:45
Garynot the nice type of heat :'(  from the sun, on the beach09:45
elkbuntuhehe09:45
GaryI so want to be on the beach, under an umbella, with a nice drink :'(09:46
* Myrtti resists the urge to quote Priscilla, Queen of the Desert09:50
MyrttiGary: also, parasol.09:51
GaryMyrtti: hehe09:51
Garygreat film09:51
MyrttiI so need to get it on DVD09:52
Myrttiit ruined the first times of looking Matrix, LOTR and Memento for me ;-)09:52
Myrttialso Star Wars 109:53
ikonia@btlogin09:57
ikoniaquery - from experience how do you decide to ban via nick/ident/ip ?10:01
ikoniaI'm notcing I'm sticking a few bans on dhcp DSL ip's that I've had to revisit and replace with nick bans, mostly due to being lazy and using auto_bleh10:02
jussi01wth?10:44
jussi01How did I end up in #sudobash?10:45
MyrttiI'm hungry and I'm eating mandarins.10:49
Myrttithere's something wrong with this.10:49
jussi01lol10:50
* Myrtti just ate her eighth one10:53
jussi01Doh! Flannel11:09
* Flannel wins again!11:09
jussi01lol11:10
jussi01always too slow...11:10
Flannelwell, I'll go to sleep soon, so you'll be able to beat me then ;)11:10
FlannelI haven't quite gotten the sleep factoid-ing down yet.11:10
jussi01!sleep11:11
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about sleep11:11
jussi01oh, we have to remedy that11:11
jussi01how do we do those linked factoids again?11:11
MyrttiI IS HUNGRY11:12
elkbuntuwhat do you expect. you have a belly full of juice11:13
FlannelMyrtti: Eat something non-orange!11:13
Myrttithat would require cooking :-<11:13
jussi01Flannel: careful, she will start on the lemons, and we all knmow where that goes... :P11:14
Myrttiomnomnomnom lemons :-Ăľ~~~11:14
FlannelMyrtti: eat something with protein and complex carbohydrates.11:15
Myrttipizza? gingerbread cookies?11:16
* Myrtti runs11:16
FlannelYep!11:16
FlannelSounds like breakfast of champions to me.11:16
MyrttiI need coffee quite desperately11:16
FlannelMyrtti: I'd just stay away from putting gingerbread cookies *on* the pizza.  Unless you're a Ninja Turtle...11:16
Flannelin which case, make sure you put as much ice cream as gingerbread11:17
MyrttiFlannel: akshully11:17
ikonia</snip_for_quote>11:17
MyrttiFlannel: if you like blue cheese (which I doubt)11:17
MyrttiFlannel: blue cheese on gingerbread cookies, microwave for 15 secs.11:17
MyrttiOM NOM NOMNOMNOM11:17
Myrttisounds awful, but damnit11:18
Myrttiit works.11:18
FlannelWhy do you doubt blue cheese?11:18
Myrttibecause I don't know any other nation apart the French that loves blue cheese to the same extent we Finns11:19
FlannelIts actually pretty popular here.  But I personally don't.11:19
Flannelso I'll stick away from your odd gingerbread cheese sandwiches11:21
bazhangMyrtti, I will de-op; might be a good idea if someone was given more long term privileges there11:34
Myrttiyup11:34
bazhangFlannel is in there a lot for example11:35
Myrttias I said earlier, we need more ops there, and I'd suggest looking at the -ot regulars in addition to the other options we have11:35
jussi01I understand its being discussed...11:35
bazhangthat was weird.11:35
Myrttijussi01: *poke*11:35
jussi01Myrtti: poke what?11:35
Myrttihave you poked anyone recently?11:36
bazhangtried to de-op but chanserv said I had no privileges to do so.11:36
Myrttiyou don't11:36
Myrttijust /mode -o bazhang11:36
jussi01Myrtti: yes, I did... just before...11:36
Myrttijussi01: cool11:36
jussi01Myrtti: nothing yet... :(11:36
Myrttimeh.11:36
bazhangthanks11:37
Myrttioh dear god I'm tired11:38
* elkbuntu snuggles up with Myrtti and snores.11:41
Myrtticontrary to common belief, it is possible to burn coffee to the pan.11:54
jussi01LOL11:56
Myrttimy only explanation is I was busy talking in Skype when this happened last week.11:57
Myrttiand actually, it wasn't burned.11:58
Myrttionly dried to the upper part of the moka pot.11:58
elkbuntuhehe12:00
eagles0513875hey guys i need to talk to someone bout getting a ban lifted off my nick in motu and dev channels cuz i have an idea that i think would be a good idea to have available to advanced users in the community12:06
bazhangeagles0513875, from what has been said that is simply not going to happen.12:07
eagles0513875i would like to begin working on this idea that i happened to stumble across though12:07
Myrttiwrite it up to blueprint or toss it to brainstorm.12:07
bazhangeagles0513875, you were banned there prior to this correct?12:07
bazhang!brainstorm12:08
ubottuPost your ideas for ubuntu at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com and vote for the ones you like!12:08
eagles0513875thing is i wanna work on this myself but eventually make it available to the community12:08
eagles0513875yes that is correct but the cause of that ban was over 2 yrs ago12:08
bazhangeagles0513875, you were given a second chance right?12:08
eagles0513875ya and what happened is i accidentally used a different nick and accidentally said something in one of those 2 channels and was rebanned for ban dodging which was unintentional12:09
bazhangeagles0513875, brainstorm it is then.12:09
eagles0513875cuz normally for im etc i use either eagles0513875 or eagles05138712:09
* eagles0513875 or keeps to self and releases my own distro12:09
bazhangunintentional ban evasion12:10
bazhangseems to be the fashion these days.12:10
ikoniaif he wants to work on it him self why does he need access to those channels? 12:11
Myrttiuh-oh12:13
Myrttinow at -ot12:13
bazhangheh12:13
Tm_Tawww12:14
Tm_TMyrtti: hug him for me12:14
* Myrtti has her finger on the trigger12:14
* Tm_T has her trigger on the finger12:15
jussi01poor eagles :P12:35
PiciGood morning ladies and germs12:38
ikoniahey !12:39
Picigentlemen rather, an easy typo12:39
ikoniayeah yeah12:40
jussi01hehe12:41
jussi01ikonia:  i pmed a while back ;)12:41
ikoniaughhh sorry12:41
jussi01dunno why your pm hates me12:41
ikoniaheads up in #ubuntu sad_ubuntutie is the user qstnn who was trolling a few weeks ago in here and vbox12:54
bazhangits nice to have discussions about who will help out in -ot; but this has been dragging on for quite a while13:07
bazhangand the last two days were the absolute nadir in terms of stalking, and other creepy behaviour in there.13:07
LjjjLpici, ikonia, bazhang: tell me eagles isn't setting out to write his own flavor of Automatix13:17
bazhanghis own distro LjjjL 13:17
PiciLjjjL: I don't know what hes doing. 13:18
Tm_Tno, it's not automatix this time13:18
LjjjLbazhang: i don't believe that... i'm sure he just *said* that in order to convince you to unban him13:18
bazhangeagleso513875ix13:18
Picihttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-7/+spec/ubuntu-server-conversion-to-lightweight-kubuntu13:18
* Pici has no idea13:18
bazhangLjjjL, hah; I had one bit of -ot oppage; no way do I have that kind of pull in -motu or -devel13:19
bazhangbesides Hobbsee would get me with her fabled stick 'o Doom13:20
LjjjLPici: but what was he ranting about, with "having somewhere to isntall what you want", to which you replied "like apt?" but someone else started suggesting writing scripts13:21
LjjjLbazhang: but *he* doesn't know that13:21
PiciLjjjL: Yes. I gave up at that point.13:21
PiciThen he started pm-ing me13:22
ikoniaeagles ide is nonses13:22
ikoniamake the server super lightweight ??13:23
ikoniainstall the server kernel (already in the server install???) and install the kde-core package? ??? this allows them the taoilor the desktop package/ 13:23
ikonia??13:23
LjjjLikonia: to conserve the heavy stuff to throw it all at him13:23
ikoniaI'm going to ask him13:23
ikoniaas thats just nonsense13:23
LjjjLyeah, -EMAKESNOSENSE13:23
ikoniaand a waste of time13:24
LjjjLas seveas would say13:24
ikoniait's a waste of time for osmeoen to have to go through this sort of crap on luanchpad to delete it13:24
LjjjLoh well as long as it's just in brainstorm... brainstorm is a dumping hole anyway13:24
ikoniait's a blueprint13:25
PiciIn 'kubuntu-7'13:25
Piciweird13:25
ikoniahe's a moron and I praise hobbsee for not allowing that sort of random noise in motu./devl13:26
ikoniaI mean that quite honeslty13:26
LjjjLthis "willwill" who's just been mentioned on -ot13:33
LjjjLi suspect he might be the same person i've encountered on #ubuntu-th13:34
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ikoniahas anyone seen gnomegreak13:49
ikoniafreak13:49
LjjjLikonia: not in the last couple of days13:54
ikoniabum13:55
LjjjLok sorry for moving the question here but -offtopic invariably gets on my nerves when i ask this sort of questions13:57
LjjjLi want a graphics library that can be used from C and allows me to draw pixels.13:58
LjjjLeasily. just draw pixels. i don't want to have to deal with fancy stuff.13:58
LjjjLremember home computer? you could write BASIC code like 10 PUTPIXEL 100,100 and there's your program13:58
LjjjLit doesn't have to be a fashionable library that teaches me how to write good code, really.13:59
ikoniathats randomly obscure, yet easy14:00
LjjjLikonia: that's why i miss home computers so much.14:01
ikoniaI know what you mean14:01
ikoniaqbasic was easy14:01
LjjjLikonia: yeah, something like that. i just want to have a trivially silly graphics view for a genetic programming toy, and it needs to draw pixels. it doesn't need fancy vector graphics over a windowing context and an event model14:02
ikoniait's too simple, can't think of anything off the top of my head14:02
LjjjLikonia: that's still more useful feedback than suggesting huge fashionable libraries14:03
ikoniait's the truth14:03
ikoniayou don't need a 6 GB lib set to do that14:03
ikoniabut I can't think of anything14:03
ikoniaLjjjL: maybe look at what tuxpaint is linked against for an idea ?14:04
ikoniathats thin and dumb14:04
LjjjLikonia: depends on Cairo...14:04
ikoniarats14:04
ikoniaget your T1 link out14:04
LjjjLi might just learn how to draw a pixel in xlib14:04
LjjjL... or i might use qbasic14:04
ikoniaactually xlib does have an api for graphics14:05
ikoniaI've used it for doing "marching ants" before14:05
ikoniain the X11 toolkit14:05
LjjjLikonia: i'm just afraid it'll take an hour of understanding what the right functions to create a window, then a context, than a widget is.14:08
ikoniayup, I can understand that14:09
LjLikonia: but i shouldn't complain anyway, as *my* home computer was a C64, which had the most obnoxious BASIC ever invented to draw stuff with14:11
LjL(well, it has the most obnoxious BASIC ever invented period)14:11
ikoniahey I remember making a baloon float across the screen on my c6414:12
ikoniapoked and peeked a lot14:12
LjLikonia: that floating balloon filled both my mother's and my own worst nightmares for years.14:13
LjLikonia: although we never actually managed to make it look like a balloon, there was always some typos in the POKE or DATA statements that made it look like random pixels.14:13
LjLikonia: (and no, it's not a surprising coincidence we both tried that program, as it was in the official BASIC manual)14:14
ikoniaI did the baloon then took a long time trying to get the CBM logo on it14:14
ikoniaone of the first programming languages I learnt14:14
LjLikonia: it's the first i learnt, although i'm not sure how much i actually understood of what i was writing. you know what my most ambitious project was? to recreate Windows 3.0, after i used it on my dad's first laptop14:16
ikoniaI got a good grip of it at the time, understood the placments and the like, couldn't figure out the audio interface and had to use that a bit blind14:17
genii@login14:21
ubottuThe operation succeeded.14:21
* genii sips some coffee and waits for quasselclient to inexplicably segfault again14:22
* Myrtti considers making a fresh pot14:22
geniiMyrtti: :) Moin14:23
Myrttigenii: moin14:23
MyrttiI'm having a weird day14:23
MyrttiI actually woke up at proper hour, and now my inner clock says it's 220014:23
Myrttias that's about what it would be, if I'd slept until 1300 and got up then14:24
geniiHeh, sort of internal jet-lag or so14:24
Myrttiyeah14:25
Myrttibasically living on EST14:25
Myrttiwhile in reality in EET14:25
* Tm_T is just fuzzy14:27
Tm_T"slept" ~1 hour this morning14:27
NewFAQshello14:28
NewFAQsUmm does anyone know how to enable mouse click sounds on ubuntu?14:28
Tm_Tthis is not support channel, NewFAQs son14:28
Tm_Tsee topic (:)14:29
NewFAQsSo?14:29
NewFAQsWho give's a fuck. I am banned from the other channel UBUNTU14:29
ikoniayour forwarded here due to your peersistanc behaviour in #ubuntu14:29
NewFAQsfor "Ban Evading"14:29
NewFAQsWoopy14:29
ikoniaand there you go, thank you for displaying your attitude14:29
Tm_TNewFAQs: soo, you expect us to help you with that attitude?14:29
NewFAQsIkonia thank you for displaying your cunt.14:29
ikoniaadn we'll leave that there14:30
Tm_Tikonia: indeed, I don't want to know more about your... whatever14:30
Piciwell then.14:30
ikoniaTm_T:  !14:30
Tm_Tikonia: yes son?14:31
Tm_Tthat was, how I would say, weird14:31
bazhangI read that as for your 'satanic behaviour'14:31
MyrttiI definitely need more coffee14:32
ikoniaI wonder if I'll be getting a christmask card from NewFAQ14:39
Myrttiikonia: horses head?14:40
ikoniacould be14:40
ikoniaas he's an aussie probalby a prawn tail14:41
Tm_TI really wonder what he think achieving with that behaviour14:42
ikonianothing, he's persistant14:42
ikoniait's just an attention thing14:42
Myrttiyup14:42
Myrttihe assumes time is some sort of "get away from jail free" carx14:42
Myrtticard14:42
Myrttiwhich, by default, it is14:43
Tm_Tumm, no, still doesn't make sense14:43
Myrttihe though has proved to be a different case14:43
* genii puts on more coffee14:59
Myrttiugh.15:00
MyrttiI just noticed https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/53061 in my inbox15:00
bazhangydjluv15:32
Tm_Tbazhang: ok15:42
bazhangTm_T, ?? 15:45
Tm_Tbazhang: I have no idea what you tried to say above (:)15:45
PiciTm_T: Its a user in -offtopic.15:46
bazhanglikely troll15:46
Tm_Tah, ok15:46
* genii-around sips his coffee15:52
Picimeh16:14
Myrttihttp://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/1108116:15
PiciNeat.16:16
LjLwatch Guest37277, he "doesn't get it" at all, and he's asking stuff that's clearly wardriving related or similar (although he isn't saying that so that's ok with me, but he's annoying nonetheless)16:37
Piciagreed.16:40
PriceChildIs anyone else *really* annoyed with the way "contact this user/team" has turned out in launchpad?17:05
LjLPriceChild: have we got more mail again...?17:06
PriceChildwell i'm not really annoyed, but i seem to get half a dozen a day17:06
LjLuhm, yeah i have.17:06
PriceChildand i didn't get any before17:06
LjLtell me, do i look like a KBarCode developer?17:06
PriceChildthat's the one17:06
PriceChildi can't even tell from the headers which team he's sending this to which i think is broken17:07
LjLuh is that what i wanted to remove17:18
LjLno17:19
Piciokay17:19
geniiI'm wondering now what a KBarCode developer looks like....17:28
LjLgenii: |¦ ||| | ¦¦¦ ¦¦| ¦|¦ ¦17:29
geniiHah!17:29
MyrttiLjL: that explains why KDE looks so crappy to me...17:29
* Myrtti hides17:29
Myrttihave a cookie17:30
LjLMyrtti: no thanks17:30
LjLMyrtti: i'll have a kookie if anything17:30
naliothLjL: yes, i've gotten more email via LP17:43
naliothand i don't like it, either17:46
LjLnalioth: well what to do, the launchpad channel didn't seem very responsive the few times i tried it17:46
naliothno, not for me, either17:49
naliothwonder who we could contact17:49
LjLseriously no idea17:50
naliothit is a spam vector, if you ask me17:50
LjLso much for having a proprietary tracker ;)17:50
* PriceChild files a bug17:52
PriceChildthat'll make them listen.... 8-)17:52
MyrttiPriceChild: I think there is such already ;-)17:52
Myrttioh, actually isn't17:53
PriceChildhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/30358817:53
ubottuUbuntu bug 303588 in launchpad "Clarify Launchpad 'contact this team' functionality" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:53
PriceChildthere is17:53
Myrttihehe17:53
Myrttifizzy hot spiced apple cider ♥ 17:53
LjLPriceChild: what about the cannot-change-mail issue?17:53
naliothi think there needs to be a new bug filed17:55
nalioththe help page says you can turn on or off the "contact this member" at your leisure, but there is no such functionality in the prefs17:55
PriceChildLjL: i openned an answer for it17:56
PriceChildopened17:56
PriceChildnalioth: where's the help page for that? i could add that to the bug if you don't want to?17:58
der_golemhello.... i have a new laptop and there is no wireless option in my ubuntu.... i can't figure out whether i need drivers for my wireless or not18:00
LjLder_golem, hi, change your ident to something more friendly to join #ubuntu please18:00
LjL!etiquette > der_golem    (der_golem, see the private message from ubottu)18:00
PriceChildnalioth: LjL: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/5294218:01
naliothhttps://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople    PriceChild 18:06
LjLPriceChild: uhm, perhaps worth specifying that removing it by ourselves results in it being apparently removed but still prevents from adding it to another team?18:06
der_golemhello.... i have a new laptop and there is no wireless option in my ubuntu.... i can't figure out whether i need drivers for my wireless or not18:07
naliothder_golem: please pay attention18:07
PriceChildLjL: its a known bug18:07
LjLder_golem: and you can't read what people say, either18:07
LjLPriceChild: ah18:07
PriceChildLjL: by what hobbsee said anyway18:07
der_golemall i see is bots telling me that my ident isnt ok18:07
naliothder_golem: we are not bots.18:08
PriceChildder_golem: LjL is very real.18:08
LjLder_golem: all i see is someone who is hardly even listening18:08
der_golemwell that was the only response i got last time?18:08
Myrttider_golem: your ident is not ok! it says FUCK18:08
PriceChildand you thought we were bots that time too?18:08
LjLder_golem: yes, that's because you should do that18:08
der_golemi can cut and paste?18:08
LjLder_golem: no18:08
naliothder_golem: no,18:08
der_golemif you want?18:08
Picider_golem: This isn't a support channel.18:08
LjLder_golem: i told you you should change your ident, BECAUSE you should change your ident18:09
naliothder_golem: just fix your ident and join #ubuntu 18:09
der_golemwell thats where they sent my18:09
* Myrtti gets her set of alphabet building blocks18:09
der_golemshit youre a bunch of assholes18:09
naliothah, our australian 'friend'18:10
LjLnalioth: hm? who's he?18:10
naliothLjL: known troll18:10
* nalioth has an unfortunate memory for hostmasks18:11
LjLah, i see18:11
LjLnot very new to insulting hostmasks18:11
PriceChildnalioth: i don't see where it says you can turn it off?18:14
PriceChildI only see it say you can hide your email.18:15
naliothAs a compromise, your Launchpad profile page has a Contact this user option.    PriceChild 18:17
naliothPriceChild: "option" means 'opt in' or "opt out"18:18
PriceChildRight, I don't think they meant it that way :P18:18
naliothi have neither option in my prefs18:18
nalioththen they need to fix it by adding the option18:18
PriceChildI think the "option" they are referring to is showing your real email, or having the "contact this user".18:18
naliothit's a spam vector18:18
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=== PriceChi1d is now known as PriceChild
=== PriceChild is now known as PriceChi1d
=== PriceChi1d is now known as PriceChild
MyrttiWTH19:11
Myrttioh.19:11
Myrttiright.19:11
* Pici blinks19:12
jeremyoiherHi, ummm, can I be unbanned from ubuntu channel19:40
jeremyoihera person was telling me what to type in the prompt, and I couldn't tell if it was an i, an l, or a 1, so I had to type it in the chat window19:40
jeremyoiherand I got banned for spamming after just 3 messages19:41
steph291hi guys, a certain jeremy__ who I helped setting up  is desktop tube could be unban ?19:44
steph291nickname : jeremyoiher19:45
Myrttihmmmm hold on19:46
steph291he is really starting with linux...19:47
Myrttiok, the freenode breakage seems to be over19:47
Myrttisteph291: we can handle the issue with jeremyoiher, we don't need your assistance19:47
* Myrtti pokes LjL with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™19:47
Myrtti*SQUEEEAK*19:47
steph291perfect19:47
steph291thanks19:47
MyrttiOK, LjL has been idle for 30mins19:48
jeremyoiherSo19:50
jeremyoiherCan I be unbanned pleasE?19:50
Myrttijeremyoiher: this might take a while, I'm really tired and am fumbling around a bit19:50
jeremyoiher...It's just a matter of a right click19:50
jeremyoiherI don't understand what the problem is19:51
Myrttijeremyoiher: or typing a command, in my case. anyway19:52
Myrttiooooops. hmmm19:53
Myrttilooking at the history I'm definitely waiting for a second opinion before doing anything19:54
PriceChildjeremyoiher: why did you do the same in #kubuntu afterwards?19:55
jeremyoiherthat was beforehand19:56
jeremyoiherand I needed help19:56
* Myrtti tries not to fall asleep19:57
jeremyoiherLook, I know that the history looks bad19:58
jeremyoiherAnd I'm sorry, I'm very, very new to linux and very new to this form of support19:58
jeremyoiherI didn't quite know the rules here and I didn't know not to keep asking 19:59
jeremyoiherI'm sorry, and you have my word it won't happen again19:59
MyrttiPriceChild: do you have the ball in your hands? I'm about to crash into bed with absolute blank mind20:04
Myrttiokies...20:05
Myrttithat solves it then20:05
Piciright20:05
MyrttiI can't believe I'm still awake20:06
second_opinionhello Myrtti, may i help you?20:22
second_opinionnah, i'll go watching tv instead20:22
genii-aroundWeird20:23
Piciokay then.20:23
* LjL whistles innocently20:23
PiciLjL: Just wasn't a name I was familiar with.20:24
PiciAlthough it does seem to share the same host as metabot20:24
* Myrtti flips20:24
MyrttiITALIANS!20:24
LjLuhm, metabot is supposed to have a cloak though20:25
PiciYeah, probably/20:25
* Myrtti tries to decide should she do italian flag with mIRC colours20:27
* Myrtti can't be bothered, eats gingerbread cookies instead20:27
Jack_SparrowMyrtti .. http://www.dq.winsila.com/miscellaneous/fun/creating-images-with-ascii-characters.html          Italian Flag in Ascii..21:14
mrwesre22:02
jussi01mrwes: is there something we can help you with?22:02
mrwesjussi01, I was just checking to see if the ban on me was lifted yet22:03
Myrttiif you are coming only to check, then you've got something wrong22:03
mrwesUH?22:03
Myrttianyway, I'm off to bed.22:03
Myrttigood night folks.22:03
jussi01nini Myrtti22:04
jussi01mrwes: so nothing else wecan do foryou right now?22:05
mrwesjussi01, nah...I'm moving along -- thanks22:05
mylogicI'm here to discuss my case again, it has been roughly 24 hours22:41
LjLmylogic: oh, uhm, i think i wasn't around last time you discussed it22:43
LjLcan you update me?22:43
mylogicwell, I guess it's kind of complicated, but sure22:43
mylogicIt all started out about a week ago when I was in #ubuntu-offtopic and I jokingly told this young kid about the fork bomb after he was going on about writing virus' in bash. I knew a ban was probably coming soon, which it did (by you I believe)22:44
mylogicI noticed I was banned for a couple days, I then sent you a pm stating that I was sorry and learned my lesson22:45
mylogicthe following day, I noticed I was able to join #ubuntu-offtopic (though apparently my ip changed and I was in fact still banned)22:45
mylogicwell while I was in the channel, I was talking with snux and someone else just about woman troubles, they posted pictures of their ladies and I, mine22:46
mylogicthough in mine there was a good friend and also the female in whom I've been involved22:46
mylogicwell about that time this cluts sdlwolf or something said something inappropriate about both of them in regards to their look22:47
mylogicand I stated "those girls are by any means passed around"22:47
mylogicwhen I meant to say aren't22:47
mylogiche kept going on and the mod banned him, then I guess banned me for supposedly being a part of the sexist comments (which I wasn't, I made a typo and it was obvious by the following grammar, not to mention they are friends of mine)22:48
mylogicso upon my ban, they realized I was already banned and then slapped on another charge for evading my ban, even though I wasn't aware I was still banned22:49
LjLso then you rejoined from "mylogic.net" so the ban evasion was even clearer...?22:50
mylogicthat all took place last night, and then bazhang and flannel said come back in 24 hours and they'll take care of everything22:50
mylogicI rejoined to see why I was banned, I wasn't really clear on the whole order of operations on 'righting the wrong', if you will22:50
mylogicand no, I hadn't read the rules in depth and stuff22:50
mylogicbut I have now, and understand how the process is supposed to work22:51
mylogicI'm not a trouble maker... the forkbomb was definitely uncalled for and I knew a ban was probably coming, but it was somewhat funny at the time22:51
LjLyes, as a matter of fact i banned you *especially* because you clearly showed that you'd knew it was wrong and you'd get banned22:52
LjLso, even assuming that ignorance of the rules is an excuse, you took away that very excuse yourself22:52
LjLnow, as far as the other incident22:52
mylogicyeah, I realized in hindsight that it was a rather childish thing to do22:52
LjLyou didn't know you were evading the ban - ok22:52
LjLyou discussed about some girls -ok22:52
LjLbut i can see that you were told, what, 6? 7? times to stop22:53
LjLyou never did22:53
LjLi've seen !stop called more times that i've seen it called in the rest of my life22:53
mylogicnot true22:53
mylogicI didn't even know he was aiming at me, and if you read what !stop says22:53
LjLnot true? i'm reading the logs right now22:53
mylogicI was not violating or discussing anything it listed22:53
LjLerr, !stop doesn't list anything22:54
LjL!stop22:54
ubottuNOTICE - Please stop this discussion NOW. See !offtopic for things that are inappropriate to discuss in this channel. Continuing will result in action being taken.22:54
mylogiccheck !offtopic22:54
LjLyes, !offtopic is not !stop22:54
mylogicbut !stop makes reference to !offtopic22:55
mylogicit's like an include()22:55
mylogicand nothing we were talking about was referenced in !offtopic22:55
mylogicso I was rather frustrated that we were being interrupted during what I considered, a very good conversation22:56
LjLmylogic: look, "Please stop this discussion NOW" is not a difficult sentence to understand22:56
LjLit says to stop22:56
mylogicyeah, but laws are in place for a reason22:56
mylogicright?22:56
LjLyou don't agree that you need to stop? fine, you stop anyway. *then* if you want, you come here to complain22:56
LjLlaws?22:56
mylogicyeah, as a moderator you are given a set of laws to follow, right?22:56
LjLmylogic, it was very clear that those requests to stop were directed at you, and you confirmed that in the logs22:56
mylogicprocedures and whatnot22:56
LjLguidelines.22:57
mylogicI did realize it after several of them22:57
LjLcertainly not laws or precedures.22:57
mylogicbut I wasn't doing anything wrong22:57
LjLthat was your opinion, but not that of several ops who were overseeing it.22:57
mylogicmoderators are there to moderate when inappropriate things are being discussed22:57
LjLbazhang and Flannel for instance.22:57
mylogicit was just one actually22:57
mylogicthat was involved22:58
LjLmylogic, are you telling me what i'm here for?22:58
mylogicand he was obviously heated22:58
mylogicand on somewhat of a powertrip22:58
LjLmylogic, sure, because ops are always on a powertrip when the ban people22:58
LjLor at least, all banned people i've met always said that22:58
mylogicI mean, I talk about ubuntu in #ubuntu and about other stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic22:58
LjLmylogic, you were trolling. you were told to stop. you did not.22:59
mylogictrolling?22:59
mylogicI was told to do stop doing something that was not offending NOR breaking any rules23:00
mylogicwhy on earth would I be told to stop in the first place23:00
mylogic?23:00
mylogicfor being offtopic in an offtopic channel?23:00
LjLmylogic, you were trolling *because* you were told to stop and you didn't.23:00
LjL#ubuntu-offtopic isn't a "free for all"23:01
mylogicyes, I was mad because I was randomly told to stop talking about something for no reason23:01
LjLoperators are responsible to stop discussions that are getting unpleasant23:01
LjLand you're supposed to respect that23:01
mylogicthat indeed lead me to "troll" as you call it23:01
mylogicunpleasant?23:01
mylogichow in the WORLD was it getting unpleasant23:01
mylogicand that wasn't where a lot of the !stops came from23:02
mylogicafter that I was talking about why I wasn't offtopic23:02
mylogictherefore, another topic in itself23:02
mylogicbecause I was indeed a bit outraged23:02
mylogicbut ok, I understand I am in the wrong, for whatever reason23:02
mylogicwhen I see !stop now23:02
LjLmylogic: look, 1) maco 2) bazhang 3) flannel stated that the "discussion" wasn't very appropriate23:02
LjLthey're all wrong and you're right?23:03
mylogicI will stop talking23:03
mylogicwhere did they state that?23:03
LjL22:43 < maco> er guys...23:03
mylogiclooking through my logs of when I was in here and I don't see them stating that23:03
LjL22:44 < maco> could we not talk about your sex lives?23:03
LjL22:44 < maco> or theirs23:03
mylogicI at no point ever talked about my sex life23:03
LjL22:49 < maco> besides, you're making the women in here feel not-so-comfortable, mmmkay???23:03
LjL22:50 < maco> will you two just stop it?!23:03
LjL22:54 < maco> mylogic: if it's normally the way you two are acting, i'm not surprised at the bans23:04
LjL22:54 < mylogic> I would expound, but I don't think the topic YOU started parenting about really relates to the list of subject matter that this channel is23:04
mylogicthat whole time I though mico was talking to the wolf kid, who was in fact making inappropriate comments23:04
mylogicI was talking with __mike something about some problems he was having with a female friend of his23:04
LjLmylogic: err, so why did he say "mylogic:"?23:04
LjLplease, seriously23:05
LjLhe was talking to the wolf kid, but he said "mylogic"?23:05
mylogicbecause I had just said I would stop getting pissy at the mod because I had already gotten banned once this week23:05
mylogicthat's why23:05
mylogiceven though I hadn't done ANYTHING wrong other than made a typo earlier23:05
mylogicwhich would have been a crude comment23:05
mylogicbut it was obviously not what was meant23:06
mylogicok whatever, I'll never talk about anything and whenever I see !stop I will stop talking23:06
LjLyour ban isn't going to be lifted at the present time.23:06
mylogic<Flannel> mylogic: Come back here in 24 hours, and it'll likely all be taken care of.23:07
LjL<LjL> your ban isn't going to be lifted at the present time.23:07
mylogicCan I consult with flannel and bazhang then23:07
LjLmylogic, you are free to PM anyone (unless they tell you not to)23:08
LjLbut that's not my concern23:08
mylogicWell thank you for your help Lorenzo, it was surely appreciated23:10
LjLmylogic: have you checked out these two things already?23:11
LjL!coc > mylogic    (mylogic, see the private message from ubottu)23:11
LjL!guidelines > mylogic    (mylogic, see the private message from ubottu)23:11
mylogicYes, I know them back to front now23:16
mylogicthey are very well written23:17
LjLmylogic: that's a good start23:20
LjLbut to be very honest23:21
LjLi'm not feeling especially well today, and while i might be prepared to believe that it was all due to miscommunication, i'd really like to review the issue another time23:21
LjLfeel free to talk with flannel and bazhang if you want, but rest assured i'll be talking to them as well23:22
mylogicthat's fine, I'll just wait around here until someone else comes around23:22
mylogicand I'll be sure to rest with that assurance!23:22
LjLmylogic, no sorry, you can't wait here, this channel is normally reserved to operator business. you should check back another time23:23
mylogicthis channel is here to resolve issues23:23
mylogicand I'm not really convinced that it's resolved23:23
LjLmylogic: not exclusively23:23
mylogicaccording to the 'o holy link you just linked me to it is23:24
LjLmylogic: it's also for ops to privately discuss23:24
LjLif you don't mind23:24
mylogicabout to discuss some stuff with someone?23:24
LjLno, because the someones concerned are currently away.23:24
LjLanyway, that's none of your business, either.23:24
mylogicok, well I'll be at the keyboard, if they come and need me to leave I will, but until then I would rather wait for someone else to come around that I can talk to23:25
mylogicI feel like the fact you are not feeling well is making you a little bias to this situation23:25
naliothmylogic: is the /topic misleading in some way?23:30
jjjjjjjdawwwwgGuys23:39
LjLhi jjjjjjjdawwwwg23:39
LjLhow can we help you?23:39
jjjjjjjdawwwwgCan you please unban me from #ubuntu23:39
LjLmylogic, i'm sorry but you seem to be idle and this channel needs to be vacated for its normal non-appeal non-conflict-resolution usage.23:39
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI really didn't know what I did was wong23:39
jjjjjjjdawwwwgPlease, unban me, I really need chat support for this23:39
LjLand he forgot the colon again23:39
LjLjjjjjjjdawwwwg: one moment please23:39
jjjjjjjdawwwwgYou don't have to type my full name every time btw23:39
jjjjjjjdawwwwgYou can just call me Jeremy23:39
LjLoh, it's you23:40
jjjjjjjdawwwwgYeah23:40
jjjjjjjdawwwwgAnd I'm very sorry for disrupting your sever23:40
LjLwhy can't you just keep the same nickname?23:40
jjjjjjjdawwwwgBecause the old nickname was just random characters23:40
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI couldn't remember what it was23:40
LjLit was jeremy when you were banned23:40
LjLjjjjjjjdawwwwg: also, it takes me no difficulty to type your nickname, as i merely have to type "j" then TAB23:41
jjjjjjjdawwwwgYeah I know, then I changed it because I had to sign off and I didn't know how to make the little line next to my name23:41
LjL!tab23:41
ubottuYou can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.23:41
LjLjjjjjjjdawwwwg, you managed to flood both #kubuntu and #ubuntu in succession23:41
LjLhow can you justify that?23:41
jjjjjjjdawwwwgwell, in ubuntu23:41
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI only posted 3 times23:41
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI was wondering if what the person told me was a, i, an l, or a 123:41
jjjjjjjdawwwwgand theo nly way I could know is by typing them i nthe window23:42
jjjjjjjdawwwwgAnd kubuntu yes I did spam23:42
jjjjjjjdawwwwgLook, I didn't know it was wrong23:42
jjjjjjjdawwwwgCan't you let me off with a warning, just this time?23:42
LjLyou didn't know that spamming is wrong?23:42
jjjjjjjdawwwwgNo...First time I've ever been on IRC23:42
jjjjjjjdawwwwgPlease23:42
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI promise I will not break another rule again23:43
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI seriously do, and if I break one then I will leave and never come back23:43
LjLjjjjjjjdawwwwg: you were asking about installing an IRCd, and you'd never been on IRC before?23:43
jjjjjjjdawwwwgMy friends were telling me about the programs I had to download and all that, I was just forwarding mesaes from here to them back and forth 23:44
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI seriously had no clue spamming was wrong23:44
jjjjjjjdawwwwgPlease, I only posted 3 characters in ubuntu, that's not a huge offense when you really consider it23:44
jjjjjjjdawwwwgPlease cut me some slack here23:44
jjjjjjjdawwwwgplease23:46
LjLno, i'm sorry, i don't believe you.23:46
jjjjjjjdawwwwgOK, OK...I'm lying, I have been on IRC before and I did know that spamming was wrong and I didn;t know it was enforced and I was a noob and I'm sorry I didn't use my common sense like I should have23:47
LjLit's good that you admit that, but it isn't good that you'd do something bad only because you assume the rules aren't enforced23:47
LjLi'll give you something to read23:47
LjL!etiquette > jjjjjjjdawwwwg    (jjjjjjjdawwwwg, see the private message from ubottu)23:47
jjjjjjjdawwwwgOK23:48
LjLplease, read it all carefully, especially the CoC (Code Of Conduct) and the guidelines23:48
LjLi suggest you come back here when you're comfortable that you have understood it throroughly23:48
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI see23:50
jjjjjjjdawwwwgWell then, I shall reflect the considerate, respectful, collaborative concept of humanity toward others as you have so described to me.23:50
jjjjjjjdawwwwgAnd will pose no further problems while using your server23:51
jjjjjjjdawwwwgThat is, if I'm allowed a second chance23:51
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI know that what I did wasn't right, and I'm sorry for it23:51
LjLjjjjjjjdawwwwg: you will almost certainly be allowed a second chance, just not right now.23:52
jjjjjjjdawwwwgWhy not now?23:52
LjLjjjjjjjdawwwwg: it took you three minutes to read *and understand thoroughly* the things i gave you? i doubt it.23:53
jjjjjjjdawwwwgWell the fact is I already know all of those23:54
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI understand the core values I need to be implementing while using your service, and I know already how people should be treated and respected23:54
jjjjjjjdawwwwgand I understand the error I made earlier, and truly am sorry23:54
LjLwell, that only makes your lying more blatant and your spamming more gratuitous and obnoxious.23:55
LjLif bans were liften on request, only after a short time they've been set, they wouldn't be any use.23:55
LjLyour ban isn't going to be lifted today - come back with fewer "pleases" when you think you know how to properly ask for the ban to be lifted, after having pondered on the documents you read.23:56
LjLyou said you know them already, but evidently you haven't given them enough attention (or considered them important enough) before.23:56
LjLtime to do that now.23:56
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI just don't see why I had absolutely no warning before I got banned23:56
LjLjjjjjjjdawwwwg: that's because you were just banned from #kubuntu little earlier.23:56
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI had no idea why 3 lines of text is in any realm of thinking spamming23:57
LjLthat should be enough of a warning.23:57
jjjjjjjdawwwwgI undesrtand what happened in kubuntu23:57

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