[00:02] knome, it does [00:02] it did on kde and gnome [00:34] is there a way to disable window shade on mousewheel? === danopia__ is now known as danopia [03:08] <__BSD__> Hey guys, no matter how long i set the screensaver for, (2 hours), the monitor goes off after 5 mins, is there a command line option or something ? [03:12] If I needed to reinstall Ubuntu, but wanted to restore all my settings/apps on the new install, can I just save my current /home folder and replace the new one? [04:06] atarinox: if you want to save everything, you probably should also backup /etc, and /var [04:07] __BSD__: does the monitor have its own powermangment settings perhaps? [04:07] zoredache, and do I just replace the folders on the new install? [04:08] zoredache: also, if I just copy/paste these folders, will all the hidden files/folders be included? [04:08] <__BSD__> no its not that zoredache [04:08] atarinox: you would do that for your /home. the /etc, and /var you probably just will want to save so you can pick and choose what you need [04:08] <__BSD__> i only have this issue with xfce [04:38] hi all. how to change task list arrange? [04:40] in gnome I can move task, in xfce I can not [04:40] ? [05:10] how to change order of windows in task list? [05:47] hello, i want to download the latest of xubuntu (8.10) using a torrent. which one should i download? 32 bit on or 64 bit one? [05:47] it's a new computer [05:47] so most likely the 64 bit one ? [05:47] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.10/release/xubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [05:47] is that right? [06:06] quizme_, I recommend you confirm the architecture first. Which processor are you running? [06:06] kksm19820117: honestly i don't know [06:06] kksm19820117: let me check [06:09] my friend installed xp on my box and i'm trying to get rid of it [06:09] he installed a weird version of linux on it [06:09] dual book [06:09] boot [06:09] i think i have to repartition the HD too [06:10] quizme_< Looks likely, if you want to remove Windows. [06:10] if you are not sure, you should probably get the i386 version... as it will also run on 64bit cpapble processors... unless, of course, you know you have a sparcs or powerpc or something... [06:10] quizme_< Whatever your course of action, first determine whether your system is 32 bit or 64 bit. The market, at least over here in India, seems quite balanced right now. [06:12] ohh [06:12] ok [06:12] in windows xp [06:12] how do i check? [06:12] uh, i dunno... :| [06:13] oh [06:13] :P [06:13] AMD Athlon(tml) 64X2 Dual [06:13] been a long time since i used an xp system... [06:13] Core Processor 5000+, 2.6 Ghz , 1.75 GB Ram , [06:13] quizme_< 64 bit it is then. [06:13] Physical Address Extension [06:13] whatever that means [06:13] ok [06:13] good [06:13] then i'm downloading the right one... [06:13] thanks [06:14] also beware that 64 bit might have some issues with compatibility... [06:14] quizme_< Lucky you. I have an AMD Athlon 2000XP+ :( [06:14] wonderful [06:14] as not all apps are ported to 64bit yet... notable flash... [06:14] that's what i love [06:14] compatability issues [06:14] ohh [06:14] hmm [06:14] that sucks [06:14] crap [06:14] what should i do then ? [06:15] download the 32 bit? [06:15] cuz i want to do Flex development [06:15] Odd-rationale< So flash won't run on a 64bit OS? [06:15] !64bit [06:15] AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/3jkole and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64 for more information. [06:15] kksm19820117: there are work arounds... :P [06:16] although, in just the past month, adobe has just released there beta version of 64flash for linux... [06:16] odd-rationale: so i have to do some weird stuff to make flash work? [06:16] so... [06:16] oh [06:16] ok [06:16] cool [06:16] i'll just use the beta version then [06:16] quizme_: i'm not exactly sure how it all works right now... but it has been an issue in the past... [06:16] odd-rationale: do u mean the Flash Player? or Flash IDE ? [06:17] the flash player, i beleive.. [06:17] well [06:17] i'll risk it [06:17] * kksm19820117 won't part with his 32bit AMD Athlon 1.6GHz + 1GB DDR system very soon - although he wishes he could. [06:17] it's kind of lame to have a 64 bit machine and not use it [06:17] http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/17/168212&from=rss [06:18] quizme_: did you read the tinyurl ubottu gave above? [06:18] not yet [06:18] reading... [06:19] it's asking for my credit card [06:19] wtf! [06:19] j/k [06:19] :) === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [06:19] also, the slashdot article has some info... [06:20] bloody hell [06:21] i have to do manual stuff [06:21] quizme_: if you are new to ubuntu/linux, then i would suggest to start off with the i386 image... when you are more comfortable and are sure this is what you want, then swith over to 64 bit... you will need to reinstall, but... better that way... [06:21] no it's ok [06:21] i'm sure i want xubuntu [06:22] cuz all the guys i know use it [06:22] when do u think the biarch thing will be ready for xubuntu ? [06:22] within 6 months ? [06:22] no idea... [06:25] .... [06:25] crap [06:25] not sure what to do [06:26] i think i'll just go for 64 bit [06:26] just way the benefits of 64bit against the convenience of 32bit... [06:26] s/way/weigh [06:26] hmm [06:27] yeah [06:27] i think 32 bit is the way to go if u put it like that [06:27] for different people, it may have different weights... [06:29] *sigh* [06:29] :P [06:30] i'm just going to go 64 bit [06:31] what's the performance difference between 32 bit and 64 bit [06:31] factor of 2 / [06:31] ? [06:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64bit#32_vs_64_bit [06:33] i think it also depends on how well the program is designed to work with the 64 bit architeture [06:35] quizme_< I'd say you're inclined towards the 64bit. Install it, and try it. If you don't like it, install the 32bit version. Also, you mentioned your friends use it - find out if they have 64bit systems and see how convinient it is. [06:36] anyways, gtg... ttyl [06:47] odd-rationale: thanks for your help [06:47] kksm19820117: I just read the wiki article. It sounds like a pain. I think i'm going to use 32 bit. [06:48] i'm gonna wait until things have stabilized [06:48] i don't want to deal with hardware issues.... [10:00] anybody know how to get x terminal to flash the taskbar when i send it (for instance) a beep through irssi [10:05] afk that would depend if your terminal of choice has that ability - man xfce4-terminal might give a clue [10:05] *afaik even [10:06] heh [10:11] ooglebutte, doesn't say jack about it in the man [10:12] didn't think it would be an option that would be necessary for terminals... [10:13] xchat flashing the taskbar is the closest I've seen about that [10:13] yea, that's what i'm going for [10:13] irssi is meant to be pretty minimal [10:14] maybe w/ a different terminal emulator [10:14] there'splenty around [10:14] well irssi can do it [10:14] oohh [10:14] i just say /beep to test it [10:14] the issue is with the task list [10:15] well, the issue would be most easily managed with the task list [10:15] i just had to do /set bell_beeps = ON [10:15] myrtti, task list? [10:16] the part of your panel that contains the open windows [10:16] or the list of them [10:16] but actually, now that I think how AWN works... even that wouldn't help [10:16] o, i'd been calling that the taskbar ;) [10:17] (I've not had coffee yet and it's past noon, sorry) [10:17] lol [10:18] gday folks [10:18] oye [10:18] !hi | curly752 [10:18] curly752: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [10:19] wow, your bot is just full of useful facts [10:19] i still have an annoying webcam problem.... can anyone here throw any light on why the Philips SPC900NC, a very popular webcam, has fallen off the USB vendor ID list? [10:20] curly752: you use v4l? [10:21] yes i do [10:21] curly752: v4l2 has support for a lot more webcams [10:21] yes i am aware of that.... [10:21] maybe they dropped it in v4l because it's now in v4l2 [10:22] just a guess [10:22] but i downloaded the vendor ID list and somehow my cam has dropped off... to be replaced by a Creative driver.... [10:22] which shouldnt happen [10:23] i have emailed the RedHat v4l team after speaking to Greg Koah-Hartman, who agres with me [10:23] myrtti, anyway, i don't think it's the task list's fault cause i've been able to do it w/ firefox and xchat fine [10:24] slimjimflim: yeah... [10:24] but RedHat hasnt yet replied [10:25] Myrtti: and i just tried it w/ konsole, and it beeped but didn't flash [10:25] lemme mess w/ konsole config a sec [10:25] and even if v4l2 has more cams... surely the cam model is picked up from the vendor ID still? [10:26] curly752: no idea, I suppose you will get more informtion from the v4l team [10:26] thanks anyways bud.... 'm getting a bruise from banging my head in annoyance lol [10:27] patience grasshopper :) [10:27] and eyes to match lol [10:28] ttfn [10:29] ttfn? [10:30] ta ta for now [10:31] hehe thnx TheSheep :) [10:32] it's a british thing [10:33] little finger in the air sort of thing? [10:34] :) [10:34] probably all 5 [10:35] hehe [10:43] hello [10:45] dubi: how's xubuntu for you ? :) [10:48] cool [10:48] better than ubuntu at least :) [10:49] though i sometimes miss gnome [10:49] :) I think it looks good in blue [10:49] hehehe it does [10:50] xubuntu has been awesome because it is faster in terms of gui responsiveness [10:52] there's good work done here! [10:53] awesome :) glad to see you enthusiastic about it :) anyway do you happen to know a good xfire replacement? for games [10:55] I use pysol for card games [10:55] I don't know xfire tho [10:56] its a program used by other programs (games) to help people find other people playing on a network [11:00] !games [11:00] Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php [11:00] cool thanks :) [11:01] np [11:01] are you a developer? [11:02] far from it - just an end user [11:03] there's #xubuntu-devel for an oppurtunity to talk to them and the mailing list [11:03] oh wow... this open source thing really is cool aint it... its becoming a religion [11:04] I get so much from their work I feel the need to pay some sort of effort back in return [11:05] que? [11:05] how do you return it? [11:05] who talked 'bout -devel [11:06] dubi, there are many ways: http://xubuntu.com/contribute [11:06] ummm ooglebutte in particular [11:06] dubi, you're more than welcome to contribute as well ;) [11:07] hi knome :) [11:07] hello ooglebutte [11:07] knome thats awesome, i think i will, [11:09] gnaah, i'm hungry [11:10] !gnash [11:10] An open source flash replacement. It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ [11:10] nope, not gnash ;) [11:11] err that was for me - sorry [11:11] it's still beta [11:12] hehe, no problem. :) [11:13] Does anyone know how to restrict the length of a folder name shown when navigating with console? [11:14] "use zsh" [11:15] *cough* [11:15] sorry [11:16] * dubi hands Myrtti some cough syrup [11:26] Myrtti, suppose bash could do that as well :P [11:26] Myrtti, get your 'rse 'ere, i'm doing some lunch :P [11:27] knome: I was just planning to go to Duo to have some French latte [11:27] nah... [11:27] at Roberts [11:27] this weather sucks [11:27] indeed [11:27] well, back to kitchen :P [11:27] -> [11:58] anyone know how to open a iso file [11:58] !iso [11:58] To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. [11:59] ah ok so do sudo to open [12:00] mountpoint is where U want the file to install at ? [12:02] it's a directory in which all the files will be visible [12:04] so would I type 'sudo mount -o loop ? is that correct? [12:05] no [12:05] no, make an empty directory [12:05] and use that [12:05] and replace with that [12:05] and with the filename of the iso [12:07] I hate to ask a stupid question but how do you create an empty directory [12:07] mkdir [12:09] so let me get this straight 'sudo mount *o loop mkdir? [12:09] -o [12:10] no [12:10] first make a new, empty directory with 'mkdir empty_directory' [12:10] ok [12:10] then type the command [12:11] then mount your iso at it with 'sudo mount -o loop my_iso_file.iso empty_directory' [12:11] ok now I got it [12:11] but I think you can just open the iso file with file roller too [12:11] I don't think I have file roller [12:12] !info fileroller [12:12] Package fileroller does not exist in intrepid [12:12] !info file-roller [12:12] file-roller (source: file-roller): an archive manager for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.24.1-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 696 kB, installed size 5832 kB [12:13] TheSheep: what would be easier file roller or the command? [12:14] Mooch: just clicking on the file doesn't open it? [12:15] I know [12:15] file roller doesn't file right? [12:16] install* [12:16] it should be installed by default [12:18] can I get file roller through 'add applications' [12:19] Mooch: it's already installed [12:19] Mooch: just click on the .iso file, select 'open with' and choose file roller from the list [12:20] Mooch: it's called 'Archive manager', sorry [12:20] but thats just it, it doesn't give me the option of chossing archive manager [12:20] only bittorrent [12:21] Mooch: right-click, select from menu 'open with other application' [12:21] why would you open .iso files with a bittorrent? are you sure it's not a .torrent file? [12:22] its a torrent file I downloaded [12:22] when I use bittorrent I get the following error [12:23] hang on while it loads up [12:25] 'the format of this archive is not recognized' [12:25] hi knome [12:26] what does this mean The Sheep [12:26] hi @ all [12:26] Mooch: it means that it's a torrent file, not an iso file [12:26] you have to download the iso file using bittorrent [12:26] can someone give me the catchphrase for a nice video editiong tool for *ubuntu [12:27] torrent files are just 'links' to the files [12:27] ladanz: kino [12:27] is it kde? [12:27] no [12:27] thanks, i will try it! [12:27] ladanz: look at medibuntu application list, there are more [12:28] The Sheep so what do I need to do? I downloaded the torrent thninking it was the file but since its not what next [12:28] Mooch: open transmission, and drag the torrent file into it [12:28] Mooch: it will download the right file then [12:29] ok [12:29] wheres transmission [12:29] under network [12:29] ok [12:30] dont see it [12:31] ummm any other place [12:31] what version of xubuntu is that? [12:31] dapper drake [12:31] that's ancient [12:31] you should be able to add it via add applications [12:32] ok let me try that [12:32] !dapper [12:32] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was the fourth release of Ubuntu. See !lts for more details. [12:32] uh... [12:32] well it's a LTS:) [12:32] hey knome [12:32] kino plays my .ogv file incredible fast, is this default, or is it just me? [12:33] it didn't have a torrent client yet, and used xarchiver for archive management [12:33] talking to The sheep about the torrent I downloaded [12:34] I got Xubuntu 8.04 alnternate but its a torrent [12:34] Mooch: you can also download the iso directly [12:34] Mooch: the same place where you got the torrent [12:35] hello Mooch. [12:35] problem is my connection is not exactly stable [12:35] Mooch: but once you have it, you don't want to open it, you want to burn it to a disk [12:35] Mooch, have you already downloaded it? [12:35] Mooch, or is it the *torrent* file [12:35] the torrent knome [12:36] ok, so you don't want to open it in archive manager but transmission/other torrent client [12:36] you need to get the *real* iso before you can burn it to a cd [12:36] TheSheep, was updating from 6.06 to 8.any supported anymore? [12:37] knome: should be, updating between all lts version should be supported, afaik [12:37] !update [12:37] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [12:38] I'm confused whats the purpose of downloading the torrent? [12:38] Mooch, you don't need to download it, if you want to upgrade [12:38] Mooch, you can just upgrade [12:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes#From%207.10%20or%206.06%20LTS%20to%208.04%20LTS [12:38] Mooch, see the link TheSheep just pasted [12:39] knome tell me how to upgrade [12:39] actually https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#Upgrade%20from%206.06%20LTS%20to%208.04%20LTS [12:39] Mooch, ^ the last one [12:39] ok give me a sec [12:39] ok [12:40] so upgrading is the best way to go [12:40] dunno, never done it [12:41] its telling me I have to apply all updates before upgrading that true knomw and The Sheep [12:43] Mooch, yes. [12:44] ok I was trying to avoid that but it may pay off in the long run [12:44] yes [12:44] you should always install updates [12:46] knome let me ask you something when I download anything with cupsys it kills my modem driver why [12:46] or my modem [12:46] no idea [12:46] it really shouldn't [12:46] are you on a modem connection? [12:47] yeah [12:47] ok, so can you get the connection up again after you've installed cupsys? [12:48] cupsys is the network printing [12:48] no it takes out the modem [12:49] Mooch, did you manually install the modem drivers? [12:49] yeah its weird but i talk to someone about it he told me that updates or anything related to printing can cause my modem to not be recognized [12:49] yep [12:49] hey vidd haven't seen U in a while [12:51] Mooch, how did you manually install the modem drivers? [12:51] i have to go now. [12:51] see you guys later. [12:51] later knome talk to U later [12:52] vidd went to pctel website forgot the name and used the commands there [12:52] it was a real pain [12:53] since dapper is so old some key components I had to install manually to get my modem driver to work [12:55] dapper "so old" .... heh...thats amusing [12:55] considering that windows xp was almost 7 years old before vista [12:55] Mooch, anyway.... [12:56] do you have the restricted drivers enabled? [12:56] yeah xp is still better in my opinion [12:56] vidd where do I check that [12:56] Mooch, i hope you mean "better then vista", and not "better then linux" [12:57] oh yeah of course I love linux [12:57] linux is the king of all [12:57] Applications->system->Hardware Drivers [12:57] ok give me a sec [12:59] hey vidd I have the xfce menu I don't see applications [12:59] that is the applications menu [13:00] don't see hardware drivers [13:00] hang ona minute vidd [13:09] ok back [13:10] the hardware drivers where is that located [13:12] vidd is it uner systme or............ [13:13] yes...at least it should be [13:13] it might be listed as "restricted drivers" [13:15] hmm give a sec let me see [13:16] In gnome u can everything u need on xfce its almost like everything is hid [13:16] find* [13:16] Mooch, in terminal type "jockey-gtk" [13:16] gethostbyname error << on 7.10 << any idea why this might be? [13:17] ok [13:17] sinbox, is 7.10 even supported? [13:17] vidd: yes it is [13:18] non-lts' get 18 months [13:18] * vidd sucks at math as well as spelling =] [13:18] vidd it failed [13:19] well, I'm loathe to upgrade as I have lots of stuff I compiled and am not sure it's going to work if I move up to 8.04 [13:19] sinbox, what were you trying to do? [13:19] my spelling isn't that great either [13:19] trying to run darkice to stream, apparently this is possibly an /etc/hohsts error vidd [13:19]