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ryanakcaRiddell: since you  were the last uploader, mind if I merge debtags?00:16
Riddellryanakca: hmm, didn't I already?00:28
* ryanakca refreshes DaD00:28
Riddellhmm, i didn't upload?00:29
Riddellno00:29
* ryanakca shrugs... I looked on LP... didn't see the bug... but then I didn't check under all bugs... *checks to see if it was closed*00:29
* ryanakca looks for something to merge00:30
Riddellryanakca: mm, I remember, debtags had a compile failure00:39
Riddelland enrico told me to ask mornfall00:40
Riddellmornfall: any ideas on this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/79060/00:40
rgreeninghey all02:31
JontheEchidnathe kde4bindings' build-deps depress me v.v02:37
JontheEchidna80 MiB02:37
JontheEchidnathat I need to download, and the repos are giving me a lousy 25 KB/sec02:38
JontheEchidnargreening: hi02:38
nixternaluse vista, I download security fixes faster than that :p02:38
rgreeningJontheEchidna: how are things?02:39
JontheEchidna!nixternal02:39
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!02:39
nixternalrock!02:39
rgreeninghah02:39
JontheEchidnargreening: pretty good actually, we might be looking at an Intrepid release for KDE 4.2 tomorrow or the day after at the latest (I hope)02:39
ScottK-laptopJontheEchidna: I'm working on kde4bindings right now.02:39
ScottK-laptopJontheEchidna: If you're doing it for Intrepid, don't let me stop you.02:40
JontheEchidnaScottK-laptop: I'm just throwing an Intrepid label on it and upping it to the kubuntu-updates-testing ppa02:40
rgreeningkool. I've been tied up with work... bosses came for a visit..02:40
JontheEchidna...after making sure all the build-depends can be satisfied by Intrepid02:40
ScottK-laptopJontheEchidna: OK.  I'm seeing about the mono stuff.02:40
JontheEchidnakool02:41
ScottK-laptoprgreening: Bosses are a very 20th century concept.  You should tell them.02:41
JontheEchidnaha02:41
rgreeningJontheEchidna: on the plus side, my python skillz are improving a lot.. been working on the firewall front-end,02:41
JontheEchidnanice02:42
rgreeningScottK-laptop: haha.. I agree. My ideal job, hack on linux all day02:42
rgreening:)02:42
JontheEchidnaIf I could do Kubuntu dev full-time when I "grow up" that would be cool02:43
rgreeninghehe02:52
JontheEchidna[python-qt4-dbg 10682394/52.1MB 20%]02:54
JontheEchidnaso that's where it all goes...02:54
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supert0nesis kdenlive packaged on someones personal repo?03:47
ScottK-laptopsupert0nes: We have the KDE3 version in the repsitories.04:11
ScottK-laptopsupert0nes: The KDE4 one we're working on.04:11
apacheloggerlool: you might want to take a look at the kde4bindings FTBFS on armel05:48
Hobbseewhat, again?05:50
apachelogger^_^05:51
apacheloggerlemme rephrase05:52
apachelogger"take a look at the buildlog of kde4bindings on armel, since it FTBFS unfortunately" :P05:52
apacheloggerHobbsee: better parsable?05:52
Hobbseeapachelogger: i knew about the one a few days ago, but i didn't know if there's a more recent one?05:53
* apachelogger uploded the 4.1.80 bindings yesterday05:53
Hobbseeoh good!05:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, lool: uploaded kdebase-workspace, it will FTBFS on armel due to missing kde4bindings and go into depwait on sparc, because the latter's bindings aren't published to the archives yet05:55
* apachelogger heads off to work05:55
ScottKapachelogger: For kde4bindings, kdebase-workspace-dev is where nepomuk/query.h comes from.  We need that for the mono mepomuk bindings.05:55
apacheloggershould be back at 12:30 UTC05:56
ScottKapachelogger: That gets us back to a circular situation.05:56
mornfallRiddell: What versions?06:47
mornfallRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/79162/06:53
mornfallIt seems I have inadvertently broken the API...06:53
mornfallAt some point in the past.06:53
Daeshimhey08:02
NCommanderhola world08:04
DaeshimHey man08:06
DaeshimDo you know much about infobot?08:06
NCommandernope08:09
DaeshimThanks for trying to help though :)08:11
jussi01Daeshim: infobot? you mean ubottu?08:17
NCommandernice to know KDE is still miserably broken on ARM08:18
NCommander\o/08:18
jussi01NCommander: really? sad...08:18
NCommanderyup08:19
Hobbseeinfobot is on the network too08:19
NCommanderI'll just sit down and port it for the rest of the work08:19
jussi01NCommander: have you seen the new network manager ScottK was talking about the other day?08:19
NCommandernope08:19
jussi01[05:29:39] <ScottK> Did anyone else notice the new network manager U/I from Novell mentioned here http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/11/on-my-other-perspective.html ? Do we have it?  Do we want it?08:20
NCommanderto my knowledge, no we don't, but maybe we want it08:20
* jussi01 wants to try it out...08:20
NCommanderInstall OpenSuSE :-)08:20
jussi01I did end up finding this: http://dot.kde.org/1224100877/1224141352/1224190666/08:21
jussi01NCommander: shush08:21
NCommanderdoko_, have you been working on the gcj ARM segfault08:21
jussi01NCommander: Ill rephrase08:21
NCommanderer, wrong channel08:21
* jussi01 wants to try it out on his kubuntu machine08:21
DaeshimHobbsee: I know infobot is here.08:23
* jussi01 waves at apachelogger08:23
DaeshimThat is why I joined here :P08:23
Hobbseeah08:25
aftertafhello all08:59
aftertafanyone around to help wth a bug in project-neon kde4.2 ?09:00
jussi01aftertaf: try in #amarok.neon09:02
aftertafiposted to bugs.kde.org but they said its an installation problem.... The kickoff applet has no applications. only the favorites copied from my 4.1 profile09:02
aftertafahhh :) thx09:02
aftertafill get there one day ;)09:03
doko_NCommander: kde4bindings still ftbfs on armel09:09
loolYes, apachelogger mentionned that earlier09:09
NCommanderdoko_, yup, working on it now09:09
* NCommander is finally home again09:09
loolNCommander: You are taking it?09:09
NCommanderYeah09:09
NCommanderI haven't been able to do any ARM porting work because I've been all over the eastern seaboard dealing w/ my family09:10
NCommanderI plan to have KDE done before UDS09:10
NCommanderlool, care to sponsor once I have something for you?09:10
loolSure09:12
NCommanderlool, have you sponsoring things from me before?09:12
* NCommander trying to remember who's sponsored what to main09:12
loolI don't know09:12
NCommanderI'll have to look around for it09:13
loolDoes it matter?09:13
aftertafany one can help witha bug in 4.2 beta? (which is looking mighty fine, i must add... )09:16
Troubleaftertaf, you were here yesterday weren't you?09:52
aftertafyeah09:53
aftertaf: )09:53
TroubleYou left too soon!09:53
aftertafworkage ;)09:53
TroubleHold on...09:53
TroubleI've got a link for you somewhere09:53
aftertafyeah !!!!! :)09:53
aftertafill get it added to the kubuntu info bot09:54
aftertafthx09:54
Troublehttp://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=14118&pid=22327#pid2232709:54
Troublecp /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/applications.menu09:55
Troublethen run kbuildsycoca409:55
aftertafyeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh09:56
aftertafapplications à gogo09:56
TroubleIndeedy doo09:56
aftertafthx man :)09:56
aftertaffantastrick09:56
Troublenp09:57
* aftertaf is very happy :)09:57
aftertafok. there remains one small niggle ;)10:01
aftertafbecause of the menu problem, i decided to add application lauchers to my desktop. but it crashes plasma.... i posted a bug and backtraces yesterday.10:01
Riddellmornfall: you rock, thanks10:19
RiddellNightrose: time to get up10:22
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hungerWhat is the status from kde 4.2 in jaunty?10:28
* hunger does not get his taskbar anymore since upgrading and sound stops during playback of the startup sound, too.10:29
hungerI guess some of the gnome-stuff that gets started grabs the sound away from under phonon.10:29
* aftertaf gets phonon crashed and changed device messages too10:29
doc__hi there10:45
ScottKhunger: AFAIK 4.1.80 (the beta) is still not complete.11:08
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NCommanderapachelogger, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176693 - can you take a look at this when you get up?11:40
ubottuKDE bug 176693 in general "kde4bindings fails to build from source on architectures where qreal != double" [Normal,Unconfirmed]11:40
ScottKNCommander: Are you subscribed to kubuntu-devel?11:41
NCommanderI think so11:41
NCommanderScottK, why do you ask?11:42
ScottKOK.  I'm doing some work on kde4bindings and getting the mono transition done.  I will be offline most of the day, so I'd figured on mailing what I learn before I have to go there so someone else can pick it up.11:42
NCommanderScottK, I thought directhex said he was going to do it ...11:42
ScottKEventually.11:42
* NCommander sighs11:42
ScottKHe gave me some advice and it seems there are other related issues.11:43
NCommanderKDE on ARM is broken, KDE and mono is broken, KDE and bluetooth is STILL broken :-/11:43
ScottKWell, at least one of those is arguable a feature.11:55
* NCommander watches directhex drop out of the sky and whack ScottK with a 5 iron11:59
* ScottK has no idea what NCommander is talking about. Bluetooth is fundamentally an insecure protocol and lack of it could be considered a security feature.12:00
ScottKNCommander: Why would directhex be upset about that?12:00
* NCommander has a long of ScottK complaining about how we broke Bluetooth on KDE ...12:00
NCommanders/long/log12:00
ScottKNCommander: True.  Just because it might be a feature, doesn't make it one.12:01
ScottKNCommander: Sent.12:10
NCommanderthanks12:10
glade88kde 4.1.x is a "bug fix only release"? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3099950.msg159997#msg15999712:27
ScottK-laptopglade88: In theory.12:35
glade88ScottK-laptop: still has major changes?12:37
glade88I mean, kde 4.1.x12:37
Tm_Tmajor fixes (:)12:37
glade88Tm_T: change in scrollbar style? oO12:37
glade88^^ though I like it personally12:37
Tm_Tglade88: if it needs a "fix" it could be that too12:38
ScottK-laptopIt's not always clear what's 'feature' and what's 'bug fix'.12:38
* glade88 scratches his head12:38
glade88yea12:38
apacheloggerglade88: that dood installed kde-nightly12:41
apacheloggerthat ain't got anything to do with kubuntu really12:41
apacheloggeraside from the rant, which will be valid for 9.0412:41
glade88apachelogger: so if one doesnt have nightly, and has backports enabled, (s)he would have had the scrollbar changes?12:42
apacheloggerno12:42
apacheloggeryou only get these if you have nightly12:43
glade88that explains it. thanks :)12:43
apacheloggeror rather, if you used a complete nigthly session12:43
apacheloggerthere is a theme intermixing going on due to some wicked Qt caching12:43
glade88apachelogger: a complete nightly session?12:47
apacheloggerwell, you gotta have logged in once12:47
apacheloggeranyway12:48
apachelogger4.1.x does not have oxygen changes12:48
glade88ah, ok.12:48
glade88oic12:48
ScottK-laptopNCommander: kde4bindings needs python-qt4 4.4.4~ to build.  While you're in there, would you please see if the build-dep is correctly versioned?12:51
ScottK-laptopshhhhh.  He's back.12:51
NCommanderScottK, nope, its not12:52
ScottK-laptopNCommander: Would you please fix that while you're there then.12:52
NCommanderI probably won't be uploading anything until I get feedback from upstream12:53
ScottK-laptopNCommander: OK.  I'll be offline for the next 12-14 hours, so AFAIK, you are holding the cookie on kde4bindings.12:54
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: This is a moment where packaging in bzr would be handy.12:54
ScottK-laptopIt's a decently long build, so I wouldn't want to upload just for that.12:55
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: well, I can upload the branch if you want12:55
apacheloggerreally just takes a few minutes to prepare12:55
NCommanderhey apachelogger12:56
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: We may as well start somewhere.12:56
NCommanderapachelogger, did you see the bug I linked you to?12:56
* ScottK-laptop really needs to get going. See you all later.12:57
apacheloggerNCommander: yes12:57
* NCommander wants for apachelogger's two euros12:58
JontheEchidnaHmm, how did kde4bindings build on Jaunty but fail in the ppa?12:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what is the failure?13:00
* JontheEchidna is pasting13:00
NCommanderJontheEchidna, deep magic13:00
JontheEchidnahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/79287/13:00
apacheloggerNCommander: on where the bug should go?13:01
NCommanderapachelogger, I think it should go on kdelibs since that's where the broken module is13:02
* apachelogger didn't look at the issue precisely yet13:02
apacheloggerNCommander: Sime_ will know ;-)13:02
apacheloggerScottK: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu13:22
apacheloggerScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/79302/13:23
* apachelogger is wondering where smarter is13:23
NCommanderapachelogger, er, can I make a suggestion13:27
NCommanderWHy not have one large repo with all the KDE trees in it instead of ten or 20 smaller branches13:27
NCommanderand for bzr bd to work, the folder must be named debian13:28
apacheloggerNCommander: because launchpad does not work that way13:34
NCommanderbzr init-repo lp:~kubuntu-members/kde-packaging-trunk13:34
NCommanderbzr init lp:~kubuntu-members/kde-packaging-trunk/kde*13:34
NCommanderthat way you can do co lp:~kubuntu-members/kde-packaging-trunk or get a specific compotent13:36
apacheloggerand if you don't want all of the crap?13:37
NCommanderbzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kde-packaging-trunk/kdebindings :-P13:40
* apachelogger is having a poke load13:42
apacheloggerNCommander: co != branch13:43
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NCommanderbzr branch :-P13:43
* apachelogger isn't even sure that would work with co13:43
NCommanderBoth work13:43
apacheloggeryeah, with branch it doesn't work, I would bet my right arm on that13:43
NCommanderand co is the same as branch once you issue unbind13:43
apacheloggerdoesn't work for both of them13:45
NCommanderhrm ...13:45
* NCommander thinks13:45
NCommanderYou can just have one bzr init repo, and then have subtrees, Bazaar IS smart enough to allow you just get parts of a repo13:45
apacheloggerdocumentation please13:46
apacheloggerNCommander: that still doesn't invalidify the fact that LP doesn't work that way13:46
NCommanderapachelogger, get13:47
NCommanderer13:47
NCommanderapachelogger, http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#choosing-a-shared-repository-layout13:47
apacheloggeras I read it, /kdebindings would still be a subbranch of kde-packaging-trunk13:49
NCommanderBUt there is no way to grab all the branches all at once the way you wer eputting them13:50
apacheloggerNCommander: sure, write a script and report a lot of duplicate bugs on launchpad so they get annoyed enough to make that stuff more suitable13:51
hungerapachelogger: How is kde4.2 going?13:51
NCommanderWhy can't you do it as subversion versining then13:51
NCommanderOne truck with a bunch of subfolders13:51
NCommandersince its just the debian folders and not the actual source, its not a huge issue even if people are forced to grab the entire tree13:52
* hunger hates what SVN does.13:52
hungerA branch is conceptually very different from a directory.13:52
apachelogger<3 git13:52
apacheloggerhunger: libs, pimlibs, bindings and kdebase* are uploaded13:53
hungerapachelogger: Yeap. Got those (I think).13:53
hungerplasma broke and phonon does not work (but that never did, even in intrepid).13:53
apacheloggerI don't want to continue until it compiles on armel, which is currently hold back due to a build error in pykde13:53
hungerI think some of the gnome-stuff pulls the device out from under phonon or something. I do hear part of the startup sound and the parts of the shutdown sound:-(13:54
JontheEchidnaisn't dput supposed to show you your current upload speed?13:56
JontheEchidnait never does for me anymore13:56
apachelogger*shrug*13:56
apacheloggerhunger: unlikely, maybe you should nuke your .phonondevicerc13:57
NCommanderapachelogger, lets setup a git repo13:57
NCommander:-P13:57
apacheloggerNCommander: that would require setting up accounts13:57
apacheloggerwhile everyone who is doing ubuntu development sooner or later needs a lp account anyway13:57
NCommanderWhat we need is a framework to turn LP accounts into Unix accounts13:58
apacheloggerotherwise I would be all for setting up a git repo ... oh, scott would probably kill us because git can be complex at times ;-)13:58
apacheloggerNCommander: and a server13:58
hungerapachelogger: I do not find bzr easier...13:58
NCommandergit is the base underlying philosphohy of Linux13:58
NCommanderYOu can blow your foot off, but you won't care because your having so much fun with bisect13:58
hungerapachelogger: At lest when I last tried to understand it the manual was so confusing that I just gave up.13:59
apacheloggerhunger: bzr got less features, so it is more difficult to break stuff13:59
apacheloggerin git you can easily get lost in branches if you didn't read the manual carefully ;-)13:59
hungerapachelogger: Well, but at least the number of branches grows (slowly) over time, so you start out with a simple setup.14:00
hungerapachelogger: bzr starts with the manual going crazy about how flexible it is wrt. development model.14:01
apachelogger:D14:01
hungerThat is great... but it may be a bit unfortunate to throw 50 different setups at a newbie who just wants to get his hello world under version control.14:02
apacheloggervery true14:04
jjesse_what's the easiest way to tell the live cd you are running is jaunty vs intrepid?14:06
apacheloggereh14:10
apacheloggerjjesse_: lsb_release -a14:10
apacheloggeror something similar14:10
apacheloggerjjesse_: also, jaunty is supposed to be more broken than intrepid ;-)14:11
apacheloggerif it is not either intrepid was incredibly bad or jaunty is incredibly good14:11
Tm_Tor both are incredibly good and we are still improving?14:11
apacheloggerthat would be unlogical14:11
Tm_Tapachelogger: well, that's me then (:)14:12
cbrdoes anyone have 4.1.80 actually installed?14:15
cbri've heard that plasma crashes a lot14:15
ScottK-palmapachelogger: I've asked that our mysql discussion go first in the Server Team meeting.14:15
JontheEchidnano, since none of us are insane to run Jaunty :P14:15
* apachelogger is running KDE trunk actually14:16
JontheEchidna*insane enough to14:16
cbri do :(14:17
cbri cherry-pick the upgrades though14:17
cbrand never trust a -0ubuntu1 release of glibc or similar.. not after that rendered my system unusable once14:18
JontheEchidnaor pam :P14:18
cbror similar = or of similar importance, so pam too, yes :p14:18
apacheloggerdebian only make stuff unsecure, ubuntu always goes ahead and breaks it14:19
apacheloggerhm, language engine seems to be bugged again -.-14:19
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jjessethanks apachelogger14:29
jjessehrmm lsb_release -a shows intrepid, probablly downloaded wrong iso14:30
apacheloggerNCommander: it appears subtree support is in development14:33
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FireRabbithey guys, how is it that okular-dev is at 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu3 but it's source package (kdegraphics) is 4.1.3-1ubuntu1 ?20:01
ScottKFireRabbit: What release and what architecture?20:02
smarterbecause it has not been built yet on Jaunty20:02
smarterScottK: we didn't merge before Jaunty so I guess he's talking about that (:20:03
FireRabbitjaunty/amd64. ah, is it in a queue? I'm not familiar with the process.20:03
smarternop, it needs kdelibs > 4.1.3 or whatever to build20:03
smarterand it looks like it was not available when it built20:03
ScottKFireRabbit: If you're not familiar with the process, you almost certainly shouldn't be running Jaunty right now.20:03
smarterright.20:04
smarteroh it's a know issue "E: Package libchm-dev has no installation candidate"20:04
smarterchm was demoted from main because of a security issue IIRC20:05
smarterI guess it's fixed with the 4.2beta1 packages which we'll soon upload20:05
FireRabbitwell, i'm trying to help out with the kdebindings package, which is why i'm running jaunty. riddel said he was having trouble with the mono bindings.20:06
ScottKAh.20:08
ScottKNevermind.  Excellent reason.20:08
FireRabbitsmarter: is there a website that shows the build status? where did you find that error?20:08
smarterLaunchpad.20:08
ScottKWe are indeed.20:08
smarterhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.1.3-1ubuntu120:08
smarterif you're using konqueror, there's a nice shortcut, type usrc:kdegraphics to get redirected to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics20:09
FireRabbitahh. i didn't know build logs were up there, cool.20:09
smarterdiffs too, pretty useful20:09
* smarter wonders wth his ISP is doing this evening to prevent google from working20:11
FireRabbitokay i'll keep an eye out for for that new upload, thanks for the info. i'm familiar with packaging, just not all the ubuntu build/release process.20:12
smarterno problem ;)20:12
smarterhttp://packages.ubuntu.com and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/ mighty be useful too20:12
smarter*might20:12
* smarter realizes how dependent to google he is :/20:13
astrommeAre there plans to work with kernel modesetting (for drivers that support it) in jaunty?20:18
FireRabbitsmarter: please don't think I mean to rush you at all, but when do you think the 4.2beta1 package will be uploaded?20:18
smartersome parts have already been uploaded(see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2008-December/thread.html)20:19
smarterI guess everything will be done by the end of the week, can't really say since I didn't(and still don't) had time to participate in 4.2b1 packaging20:20
JontheEchidnahopefully we can get everything 4.2 b1 uploaded to Jaunty today20:22
JontheEchidnaapachelogger is in charge of that, but he had to go to visit somebody in the hospital20:22
FireRabbitJontheEchidna: ah awesome.20:22
FireRabbitoh, sorry to hear about that. hopefully wasn't anything serious.20:23
smarterJontheEchidna: good job guys ;)20:23
JontheEchidnaCar accident, hopefully not too bad but we haven't heard much more20:23
FireRabbityikes20:24
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JontheEchidnathere is a small piece of dirt casting a shadow on my plasmoid21:25
* JontheEchidna cleans screen21:25
jjessewhy are downloads of kubuntu iso so stinkin slow for me21:44
jjesseyay for 20kb/sec transfer rates21:44
JontheEchidnajjesse: that's about what I've been getting on the repos for updates, etc21:45
jjessegargh all i want to do is reload my laptop from vista to kubuntu 8.10 for UDS21:45
jjessebut nope gotta wate such a stinkin slow transfer rate21:45
jjessei have an ds-3 connection to the interwebs here at work for cryin out loud21:46
jjessethe interwebs wait for me21:46
|gunni|jjesse: Maybe to late, but: Did you try the torrent? For me it was mostly as fast as my connection after a few seconds.22:55
* ryanakca wonders if Qt4 will ever be available for Haskell...23:01
jjessethanks for he idea of using a torrent23:25
JontheEchidnajjesse: bug 26880323:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268803 in network-manager-applet "Ubuntu Intrepid: Both Knetworkmanager and Network Manager load on startup" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26880323:32

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