[00:00] <e-head> sorry. my apache seems to be running fine.
[00:00] <e-head> I'm just trying to install php5 and mysql and it depends on this apache2-mpm-prefork.
[00:00] <e-head> It looks like it's going to replace my apache2 binary with this other one.
[00:00] <e-head> Just wondering why if feels the need to do this.   ;)
[00:01] <Netcat1> hi i have a problem with installing packets http://nopaste.info/400d04d8e9.html
[00:01] <dwidmann> e-head: whomever packaged it must have thought it necessary.
[00:01] <e-head> yeah.  you know anything about this mpm version?
[00:02] <burn_> anyone use amsn? if anyone use tell me where to put skins to use them?
[00:02] <szrhawaii> so i did the patch but it didnt patch what i wanted
[00:02] <szrhawaii> do i need to put the patch in the root folder
[00:02] <mrg> 8.10 kde is freezing on login, before all the apps are done loading in the main panel... anyone get a problem with this?  it goes away if i wipe my .kde folder, but that gets old really fast..  anyone have any ideas pls?
[00:03] <dwidmann> e-head: not a thing
[00:03] <e-head> it says it's for non-thread safe binaries.
[00:03] <e-head> so, somebody didn't make their code thread safe I suppose.  ;)
[00:03] <szrhawaii> i did sudo apt-get install patch then it installed some other patches but the one i wanted
[00:04] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: dunno, usually when I run my patches I do it from the directory I extracted it to (not a subdirectory thereof) and it just works
 this is the patch im trying to install
[00:05] <szrhawaii> http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/mplayer/current/SOURCES/mplayer-1.0rc2-compiz.patch?revision=HEAD
[00:05] <bluestyle> hi to all why when i play a video flashes all the time?
[00:05] <bluestyle> how i fix it any help?
[00:06] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: looks like a typical patch, needs to be run from the directory about libvo, libswscale, etc
[00:06] <dwidmann> s/about/aove
[00:06] <dwidmann> *s/aove/above
[00:06] <szrhawaii> so how do i go about plugging it in
[00:07] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: same way mentione above, just have the patch in the right directory .... interesting note though, that patch is dated sometime in 2007
[00:07] <dwidmann> (might be old)
[00:07] <szrhawaii> yeah im having a slight problem with my mplayer
[00:08] <szrhawaii> it like flickers when its open
[00:08] <szrhawaii> your right its probably included already
[00:08] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: try a different video driver?
[00:08] <szrhawaii> i tried that but then it gets worse
[00:09] <szrhawaii> especially if i have other windows open
[00:09] <Guest823> does anybody know where I can get a copy of konqueror-orig.rc
[00:09] <mrg> if you disable desktop effects, flicker stops
[00:09] <szrhawaii> it was working fine when i first downloaded it then i restarted and presto it changed and didnt work the same
[00:10] <astromme> e-head: how's the kde install going? Is it feeling a little more familiar?
[00:11] <kevman`> Anyone know how to fix mad flickering issues with the ATI propertiery drivers?
[00:11] <Guest823> Am I asking in the right place? Maybe a newbie channel? does anybody know where I can get a copy of konqueror-orig.rc
[00:11] <astromme> Yes, turn off compositing. Sad, I know, but that's the only fix I know of
[00:11] <kevman`> That's bull.
[00:12]  * kevman` dives into the xorg.conf.
[00:12] <astromme> You can use ctrl+shift+f12 or install plasmoid-toggle-compositing to have a plasmoid to switch
[00:12] <kevman`> This... Is the smallest xorg like evar
[00:13] <dwidmann> kevman`: what you don't find in there you'll find in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:13] <kevman`> The xorg.conf on my gentoo machine works fine... I wonder if I should ccooppyy.
[00:14] <astromme> kevman, are you saying that you don't have flicker with fglrx and compositing in gentoo?
[00:15] <kevman`> astromme, yeah.
[00:15] <astromme> bluestyle, szrhawaii: If you are having flicker issues with an ATI card and the fglrx proprietary drivers, you need to disable compositing to get flicker free video/opengl. You can toggle with the plasmoid-toggle-compositing (install via apt-get or synaptic) or with ctrl-shift-f12.
[00:16] <kevman`> I mean, I didn't. I use compiz cuz its more awesome.
[00:16] <astromme> kevman`: With KWin and xorg 7.4 and fglrx?
[00:17] <kevman`> I am running 7.2
[00:17] <astromme> bluestyle, szrhawaii: Whoops, make that alt+shift+f12 not ctrl+shift+f12
[00:17] <kevman`> On a 4850
[00:18] <Mr-S> kavman >> what does flicker ? everything or just some windows ?
[00:18] <kevman`> Any video.
[00:19] <kevman`> All video
[00:19] <astromme> From my experience, only the video or opengl window itself
[00:19] <kevman`> Right
[00:19] <Mr-S> oh that something different . what video applicatioj are you using ?
[00:19] <kevman`> VLC
[00:19] <astromme> The rest of the screen is fine. It feels like its wrestling to be shown with composite or just a passthrough
[00:19] <Mr-S> one momentg need to check on something
[00:19] <astromme> vlc, dragonplayer, wow (wine), mplayer
[00:20] <astromme> flash, clutter (opengl), etc...
[00:22] <kevman`> I'm trying my gentoo xorg
[00:22] <e-head> This network-manager thing just wacked my resolv.conf file.
[00:23] <e-head> Can I just remove it?  Do I need it at all?
[00:23] <SlimeyPete> network-manager and resolv.conf don't mix
[00:23] <astromme> e-head: yeah it tends to do that
[00:23] <SlimeyPete> use one or the other, not both
[00:23] <e-head> ;)
[00:23] <astromme> e-head: do you need a custom resolv.conf for some reason?
[00:23] <e-head> I just need my nameservers in it!
[00:23] <e-head> I have 4 of them.
[00:23] <e-head> they all disappeared.
[00:24] <kevman`> Well, the its logging in...
[00:24] <e-head> I use static ip's on this subnet. there is no auto nameserver discovery or anything like that.
[00:24] <astromme> You've got two choices. You can either put it in a wired config from the desktop (with knetworkmanager) or you can disable networkmanager and use /etc/network/interfaces
[00:24] <e-head> yeah. that's what I'll do.
[00:24] <e-head> apt-get purge network-manager ?
[00:24] <wesley_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/79044/
[00:24] <astromme> I suggest the first because kde apps assume it's there
[00:25] <wesley_> hi guys i getting a error about kde4-config
[00:25] <kevman`> The video is no better
[00:25] <e-head> I see
[00:25] <astromme> wesley_: is your $PATH correct?
[00:25] <astromme> e-head: but the secondary works iirc
[00:25] <juanantonio> Hello. Is there a temperature monitor for Kubuntu in the repos?
[00:26] <wesley_> astromme don´nt know trying it with neon-make
[00:26] <astromme> e-head: if you click on the green globe in your systray (knetworkmanager) and hit "edit connections" you can change your connections
[00:26] <kevman`> How do I shut composting off?
[00:26] <juanantonio> The simpler it is, the better it will be ;)
[00:26] <astromme> I would try that first
[00:26] <e-head> gotcha
[00:26] <astromme> kevman`: alt-shift-f12
[00:26] <e-head> thanks.
[00:26] <e-head> ;)
[00:26] <astromme> e-head: np, hope it works
[00:26] <kevman`> Rather... Sudden.
[00:27] <astromme> wesley_: Sorry, I don't know much about neon-make. I would suggest running neon-make echo $PATH to see what sort of path it gives you.
[00:27] <cowboyfeng> Anybody know how to restore konqueror-orig.rc in kubuntu intrepid
[00:27] <astromme> kevman`: the switch? Yeah, a bit of a jolt
[00:27] <astromme> wesley_ oh woops, no that probably won't work
[00:27] <cowboyfeng> Can't seem to find any good howtos on the net
[00:28] <astromme> wesley_ I would ask in #amarok or in #kubuntu-devel. There might even be a #neon
[00:28] <cowboyfeng> Or maybe some could send me a copy of thier file from an older version?
[00:28] <astromme> cowboyfeng: where is this file?
[00:29] <astromme> wesley_ I would ask in #amarok or in #kubuntu-devel. There might even be a #neon
[00:29] <wesley_> okay i will try that
[00:29] <astromme> e-head: any luck?
[00:30] <cowboyfeng> Dunno I just switched over from archlinux and konqueror seemed to have more functionality than what I got here the net mentions restoring konqueror-orig.rc but it does not seem to be included in the install
[00:30] <kevman`> Is there instructions for compiz?
[00:30] <mrg> 8.10 freezes right after logging in and before the panel has completed loading all apps on it... it stops if i delete my .kde but then it happens again later.  i have ubuntu installed then i added kde-desktop.  any ideas how to solve or at least begin troubleshooting this please?
[00:30] <cowboyfeng> Plus the midnight commander profile crashes konq
[00:30] <Mr-S> KEVAM > just goole kubuntu and compiz
[00:31] <cowboyfeng> Oh where is the file? Hold on
[00:31] <Cimmo> mrg: try to install kde 4.1.3
[00:31] <Cimmo> maybe it helps
[00:31] <wesley_> astromme it seems to work now :)
[00:31] <cowboyfeng>  /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc
[00:31] <astromme> wesley_: great, glad it works.
[00:32] <wesley_> i just started the kde-nighlty session
[00:32] <cowboyfeng> I serched my machine and die not turn it up anyware
[00:32] <astromme> cowboyfeng: does that file exsist for you?
[00:32] <cowboyfeng> no
[00:32] <wesley_> i am trying to get localozation
[00:33] <cowboyfeng> I am also looking for a way to restore the md profile
[00:33] <cowboyfeng> midnight commander
[00:33] <astromme> cowboyfeng: I think this might be from kde3. Did you use that with arch?
[00:33] <carlosr> che
[00:34] <cowboyfeng> Nope kdemod 4
[00:34] <carlosr> como puedo sacar screenshots ?
[00:34] <Jbuntu> why isnt clamav being maintained?
[00:34] <wesley_> I remember again that the dutch ubuntu did ban me
[00:35] <genii> Jbuntu: clamav is being maintained. http://www.clamav.net/ shows an update for today in fact
[00:36] <Jbuntu> genii: its still 0.94.1
[00:36] <bluestyle> where can i find the driver for ati Radeon X1300?
[00:36] <Jbuntu> in the repo
[00:36] <dale> 8.o4 ubuntu installed, all works,but no sound...Help!
[00:37] <wesley_> clamav is command line ?
[00:37] <genii> Jbuntu: 0.94.1 is latest, released Nov 3
[00:37] <wesley_> astromme it succeed
[00:38] <Jbuntu> .2?
[00:38] <bluestyle> where can i find the driver for ati Radeon X1300?
[00:38] <astromme> wesley_: Cool. What did you build with neon-make?
[00:38] <Jbuntu> genii: thnx anyway dude
[00:38] <kevman`> Hehehe, compiz was easy
[00:38] <astromme> guess I'll never know
[00:39] <astromme> kevman`: Are you still getting flickering with video?
[00:39] <genii> Jbuntu: Ah, yes .2 is now out. Hasn't been ported yet by the (k)ubuntu maintainer yer
[00:39] <kevman`> Eine moment, bitte.
[00:39] <bluestyle> where can i find the driver for ati Radeon X1300?
[00:39] <genii> Jbuntu: At any rate, it's definitely not some abandoned project
[00:40] <Jbuntu> genii: thnx for the info its just that i am having trouble updating signitures with Klamav
[00:40] <kevman`> WTF is messed up.
[00:41] <kevman`> Actually, no, its uh.... Ok.
[00:42] <kevman`> But only in fullscreen?
[00:42] <astromme> bluestyle: the fglrx driver is in the repository. The radeonhd driver is as well iirc
[00:42] <astromme> kevman`: that's because compiz unredirects fullscreen windows
[00:42] <kevman`> But composting is off...
[00:43] <astromme> erm? as in compiz is not running?
[00:44] <kevman`> Well, I guess compiz is composting.
[00:44] <kevman`> Why don't I have this issue in Gentoo? The xorg version?
[00:44] <astromme> compiz does not have a non-compositing mode. If it is running, so is compositing. KWin *does* have a non-composite mode. You toggle between the modes with alt-shift-f12
[00:44] <astromme> kevman`: Quite possibly, yeah
[00:44] <astromme> kevman`: I would ask on #xorg
[00:44]  * kevman` starts VLC in gentoo
[00:44] <kevman`> I'm double checking
[00:45] <kevman`> Doh. I have 2 xchats runnning
[00:46] <astromme> kevman`: whoops =P.
[00:47] <astromme> kevman: hey, try changing your video mode to "X Window System" (no Xv)
[00:47] <kevman> Yeah, well, its gonna be butt slow
[00:48] <astromme> heh, true
[00:50] <kevman> Won't play with x11
[00:51] <loganWHD> anyone here using 8.04 and a dell 9400?
[00:51] <loganWHD> ?
[00:51] <loganWHD> i am thinking i am going back to 8.04 but not sure if anyone is having the same sound card issues etc
[00:51] <astromme> really? It does with me but is using huge amounts of cpu (which is to be expected)
[00:51] <astromme> loganWHD: what issues?
[00:52] <genii> loganWHD: If you have an Intel HDA or similar (NForce HDA, Creative HDA, etc etc) there will still be issues in 8.04
[00:52] <genii> It's endemic
[00:53] <loganWHD> wow... well it took me 1 week to get my sound card working, but now i have no mic or headphone jack working... plus the worst is the intermiddent freezing for no reason
[00:53] <kevman> Yeah, it won't play.
[00:53] <loganWHD> so 8.04 wont work with my Intel HDA sound card wither?
[00:53] <loganWHD> either?
[00:53] <loganWHD> but i bet it doesnt freeze all the time and make me reboot the wrong way
[00:53] <kevman> AND my video codecs in Gentoo are busted. This sux
[00:54] <genii> loganWHD: There is the !intelhda  factoid of the bot which basically just points you to recompile your alsa drivers. But this method doesn't play well with pulseaudio
[00:54] <astromme> Hmm, I'm using a HDA-Intel.... two actually (one is onboard my ati card apparently for hdmi) and have no problems.
[00:54] <loganWHD> right
[00:54] <loganWHD> i am using alsa and recompiled
[00:54] <loganWHD> it worked
[00:54] <loganWHD> but not for my headphones/mic jacks
[00:54] <snydererios> loganWHD: i've got 8.04 with kde3 and i'm using an IntelHDA chip and it works fine
[00:55] <loganWHD> no freezing?
[00:55] <astromme> Nope.
[00:55] <loganWHD> well sound and freezing
[00:55] <loganWHD> are two seperate issues
[00:55] <genii> snydererios and astromme Check if your mic actually works or not ;)
[00:55] <snydererios> there is only a bug with acpi-modes.. nope, no freezings
[00:55] <loganWHD> astromme: your headphones work?
[00:55] <astromme> My sound works perfectly in my experience. genii: mic, now I haven't tried that. I use a webcam with its own mic
[00:55] <snydererios> my mic works fine, i'm using skype, mumble an teamspeak and everyone could unterstand me clearly
[00:56] <astromme> loganWHD: headphones/ I use a logitech 2.1 system
[00:56] <snydererios> loganWHD i'm using a Sennheiser PC160
[00:56] <astromme> I should mention probably that I'm on a desktop with an intel p45 chipset
[00:56] <loganWHD> snydererios: you are using 8.04 or 8.10?
[00:56] <snydererios> I'm using 8.04 with kde3
[00:57] <astromme> Although, my laptop is also HDA-Intel and its mic/speakers/headphones work perfectly.
[00:57] <loganWHD> astromme: you're on 8.04 too?
[00:57] <genii> On my laptop here with 8.04 it all seems to work fine on a stock install until I try the mic, which is so low in gain it's about useless. The alsa recompile fixes this but needs to be done every kernel update which sucks
[00:57] <cyberponix> is there a DOS emulator?
[00:57] <snydererios> i'm not sure, but i think, my laptop has a p45 chipset, too
[00:57] <astromme> loganWHD: no, 8.10 on both machines
[00:58] <loganWHD> wow
[00:58] <astromme> However, 8.04 worked on my laptop when I had it earlier
[00:58] <astromme> no issues
[00:58] <loganWHD> i am having such frustration with 8.10 i can't stand it
[00:58] <snydererios> and i  use pulseaudo instead of alsa,
[00:58] <loganWHD> it freezes about 15 times a day
[00:58] <astromme> yikes, that's horrible
[00:58] <loganWHD> for no reason, different times, different things
[00:58] <loganWHD> i loose whatever is open
[00:58] <loganWHD> and have to hard reboot
[00:59] <genii> There are about 20 variants of the Intel HDA, some work properly "out of box" and others don't for whatever reason
[00:59] <astromme> is yours an 888 chip? my deskop one is iirc
[00:59] <snydererios> so on boys'n'girls, i'm going to my girlfriend in my bed :)
[00:59] <snydererios> seeya later
[00:59] <loganWHD> i have 8.04 downloaded but am reluctant because of the frigging set up time with all my programs set up
[00:59] <genii> snydererios: Have fun
[00:59] <loganWHD> gn
[00:59] <juanantonio> Someone can tell how I can see the temperature of my system?
[00:59] <astromme> loganWHD: I'm pretty sure your experience won't be different
[00:59] <loganWHD> my sound card is STA9200
[01:00] <loganWHD> in 8.04?
[01:00] <loganWHD> well but maybe 8.04 won't freeze so much
[01:00] <loganWHD> ?
[01:00] <loganWHD> how often are kernel updates?
[01:00] <astromme> loganWHD... dunno
[01:00] <loganWHD> maybe they will fix this soon
[01:00] <genii> loganWHD: The kernel updates actually aren't all that often
[01:00] <astromme> and about kernel updates... only security fixes I'm pretty sure
[01:00] <loganWHD> ugh
[01:01] <wesley_> what do i need to do unpack this file kdeaccessibility-4.1.80.tar.bz2
[01:01] <astromme> tar xvf kdeaccessibility-4.1.80.tar.bz2
[01:02] <astromme> skip the v if you don't want verbose
[01:02] <astromme> x is for eXtract, f is for File
[01:02] <genii> wesley_: You know that package is in the repositories, right?
[01:02] <wesley_> wesley@Grimmjow:~/kde4.2 beta2$ tar xvf kdeaccessibility-4.1.80.tar.bz2
[01:02] <wesley_> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[01:02] <wesley_> tar: Skipping to next header
[01:02] <wesley_> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[01:02] <wesley_> wesley@Grimmjow:~/kde4.2 beta2$
[01:03] <juanantonio> Hello, can anyone help me to see the temperature of my system with lm sensors?
[01:03] <wesley_> found what is wrong
[01:04] <wesley_> the arhives whee corrupted
[01:05] <astromme> wesley_, loganWHD, I have to go now. I wish you luck.
[01:05] <loganWHD> thanks
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[01:06]  * genii wings ActionParsnip with a stainless steel yo-yo
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> he he
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> its snowing on my desktop
[01:07]  * mister-tea who callin a yo-yo
[01:07]  * mister-tea suggestes dandruf shampoo
[01:08] <genii> ActionParsnip: Nice.. some theme?
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> genii: its a compiz plugin
[01:08]  * JontheEchidna counters the compiz plugin with the KWin snow plugin :D
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> genii: so i put a snowy backdrop on and turned on the snow, looks cool
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[01:09]  * genii hands ActionParsnip the snowshovel
[01:10]  * colin_ goes under a roof
[01:12] <juanantonio> Nobody know how to monitor temperature?
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> doesnt superkaramba have that?
[01:13] <juanantonio> Superkaramba? What's that?
[01:13] <faileas> juanantonio: on CLI or GUI?
[01:13] <juanantonio> GUI, for KDE
[01:14] <juanantonio> I have installed ksensors, but I cannot see temp
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> !karamba
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> juanantonio: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Monitoring/Temperature/
[01:15] <juanantonio> Can't I monitor it through KSysguard or KSensors?
[01:16] <dougl1> what is the difference between the desktop iso and the dvd iso?
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> dougl1: dvd has all the other desktop environments on it.
[01:16] <mister-tea> juanantonio:  yes see here http://fosswire.com/2007/09/04/set-up-a-system-tray-temperature-monitor-with-ksensors/
[01:17] <juanantonio> Thanks
[01:18] <mister-tea> yw
[01:18] <dougl1> ActionParsnip, thanks... gnome xfce etc but not compiz?
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> dougl1: i think even compiz may be on the dvd, its not necessary though as you can pull everything off the repos once installed
[01:20] <szrhawaii> does anyone know if where a good place to get all the key commands for terminal
[01:21] <mister-tea> there's a good starter tutorial built into konquerer
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: man <command>
[01:22] <szrhawaii> how do i get there mister-tea
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: and web searches
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> !konsole
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: just use it and you will get better
[01:23] <szrhawaii> ive been using it lately
[01:23] <szrhawaii> just wanted to knowto have all the codes if theres a place
[01:23] <mister-tea> wheb you startup konquerer you will see a choice to learn more about kubuntu use the links and you will fing it
[01:23] <mister-tea> when find
[01:24] <szrhawaii> i was just wondering if there was a place to find them on a txt file or something so i can read them
[01:24] <mister-tea> enter the command ActionParsnip gave you
[01:24] <mister-tea> in konsole
[01:25] <szrhawaii> i did nothing happened
[01:25] <mister-tea> you didn't put in the arrows did you?
[01:25] <szrhawaii> bash: syntax error near unexpected token "newline"
[01:25] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: eg: man cp
[01:26] <szrhawaii> ok my bad
[01:26] <szrhawaii> yeah it says what manual now
[01:26] <mister-tea> every command has a built in manual
[01:26] <szrhawaii> do i just put terminal or konsole in
[01:26] <szrhawaii> it asks what page i want
[01:27] <szrhawaii> i want all commands
[01:27] <dougl1> ActionParsnip,hmm (and thanks) - never installed compiz before came preconfig'd  on my gentoo based installation - is it just a matter of checking it off in synaptic and it installs in minutes or should I brace myself for some hair pulling and nashing of teeth?
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> dougl: you'll need to install graphics drivers and then its the same
[01:28] <szrhawaii> what do i put in after it says what manual page do you want?
[01:28] <juanantonio> I can't get in Ksensor temperature sensor
[01:28] <dougl> ActionParsnip, thanks for all the info - got me all excited now :)
[01:29] <mister-tea> did you follow the instructions on the site I gave you
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> dougl: lspci | grep -i vga will tell you what gfx card you have
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> dougl: yuo can web search from there
[01:30] <juanantonio> Yes, but when I configure, no way of getting something else than General Options and System Info
[01:30] <szrhawaii> ok there was a easier way
[01:30] <szrhawaii> i gueoss tab works to
[01:30] <dougl> ActionParsnip, np - I have nvidia 6200 so is just a matter of installing them from the nvidia site, so long as kernel stuff is in place on kubuntu I should be good to go...
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> dougl: totally, or theres !envyng
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: oh yeah, tab works a treat
[01:31] <szrhawaii> yeah i just found a forum that says use tab then try man <commandname>
[01:31] <dougl> I have had issue on mandrake or redhat where the installer complained about kernel crap and I had to compile/install kernel to get the nvidia installer to work
[01:33] <szrhawaii> so everything i use that needs admin privilages i should put sudo first right
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> you will need the kernel source for your installed kernel
[01:33] <mister-tea> szrhawaii:  look here http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/
[01:33] <juanantonio> dougl, I haven't managed to get the nvidia driver working for my 7100, so I welcome to the club, hehehe
[01:33] <szrhawaii> thanks maister-te
[01:34]  * mister-tea google-fu works again
[01:34] <ActionParsnip> dougl: if after much hair loss, yuo can run: sudo apt-get install envyng-qt; kdesudo envyng-qt
[01:34] <ActionParsnip> dougl: use as last resort
[01:35] <ActionParsnip> peace out kiddywinks
[01:35] <wesley_> is that normal building from source go slow ?
[01:35] <mister-tea> yes
[01:35] <mister-tea> depending much on your system
[01:36] <wesley_> or is this because i have a celeron? ( system sources are not all used )
[01:36] <mister-tea> it took me over an hour to compile alsa
[01:37] <szrhawaii> does anyone know how to turn off the kdesktop drawing abilities besides killall kdesktop i want a different program to draw besides kdesktop
[01:37] <wesley_> what for machine do you have mister?
[01:37] <juanantonio> So tomorrow I will make another try with sensors, VGA NVidia driver is definitely lost ;)
[01:37] <mister-tea> this box is a built from dumpsters amd 900mhz athlon
[01:38] <wesley_> ow yeah thats slow
[01:38] <wesley_> i got a modern celeron
[01:38] <szrhawaii> #kde
[01:38] <mister-tea> actually it's not bad
[01:38] <wesley_> with 2 gb of memory
[01:38] <faileas> mister-tea: i've compiled alsa on a PIII 733. didn't takt THAT long
[01:39] <wesley_> no i believe 900 mhz runs fine
[01:39] <mister-tea> what speed processor
[01:39] <wesley_> Iphone has a 600 mhz processor orso
[01:39] <mister-tea> well it took that long on this box
[01:40] <faileas> wesley_: on a different arch ;p
[01:40] <szrhawaii> so turning off kdesktop background drawing capabilities permenatly
[01:40] <szrhawaii> anyone know how
[01:40] <faileas> processor speeds are NOT an accurate reflection of cross architecture performance
[01:40] <wesley_> faileas indeed its from samsung
[01:40] <mister-tea> yes I agree
[01:41] <szrhawaii> are bananas yellow first or green
[01:41] <faileas> wesley_: its a ARM based system ;p
[01:41] <faileas> szrhawaii: actually there are also red bananas
[01:41] <wesley_> doesnt say me anything
[01:41] <wesley_> its runs fine thats what matters
[01:41] <szrhawaii> thats awesome i wish someone would answer the other question i had up there
[01:42] <wesley_> its late
[01:42] <faileas> szrhawaii: if people knew they would answer
[01:42] <mister-tea> wesley_:  you still didn't say that all important factor what speed celeron
[01:42] <benbloom> strangest thing just happened!.... my task bar quit and wont come back (even after a full reboot) I have no idea how this happened!
[01:42] <wesley_> 1,8
[01:42] <wesley_> ghz
[01:42] <szrhawaii> would they man i guess ill hold my breathe on that answer then
[01:42] <wesley_> 1 mb cache
[01:43] <mister-tea> I have a simaler box upstairs
[01:43] <szrhawaii> #kdesktop
[01:43] <wesley_> its a notebook :)
[01:43] <szrhawaii> !kdesktop
[01:43] <mister-tea> but someone gave me a "broken" 2.66 celron that will be my new box when I get a hd
[01:43] <wesley_> a acer
[01:44] <szrhawaii> even ubottu doesnt know
[01:44] <szrhawaii> !background
[01:44] <wesley_> i think i wanna make sometime a mini pc
[01:44] <szrhawaii> i tried deleting it and then my trash can didnt work
[01:44] <benbloom> strangest thing just happened!.... my task bar quit and wont come back (even after a full reboot) I have no idea how this happened! can anyone help me get it back and make it stay?
[01:45] <wesley_> delete the .kde folder
[01:45] <wesley_> and then restart
[01:45] <mister-tea> szrhawaii: what is that you are trying to do exactly
[01:45] <wesley_> i know his problem, he needs to start kwin or plasma
[01:46] <mister-tea> who benbloom?
[01:46] <wesley_> yes
[01:46] <wesley_> or renaming or deleting .kde
[01:46] <wesley_> or .kde4 in 8.04
[01:46] <szrhawaii> i have compiz wallpaper plug in but it doesnt work unless i kill  kdesktop and i have to do it everytime i come in so its getting annoying and i want to know what i can do to delete the drawing capability for the background that kdesktop does without jeopordizing anyother features
[01:47] <mister-tea> what are you compiling btw
[01:47] <wesley_> kde4
[01:47] <wesley_> kde4.2 beta
[01:47] <mister-tea> brave
[01:47] <szrhawaii> does that help any mister-tea
[01:48] <wesley_> i had a word with my girlfriend, i was checking her mails again, and some other stuff she lucky doesnt know
[01:48] <mister-tea> yes I now understand
[01:48] <szrhawaii> someone told me you cant but when i deleted the files for kdesktop everything worked except the trash can
[01:49] <wesley_> kdebase is at 84%
[01:49] <wesley_> building thats what is going slow
[01:49] <szrhawaii> so im trying to find a way to get rid of the part that i dont need
[01:49] <mister-tea> I would think there is a way to get there but it may take a script and frankly I'm not savvy enough yet to tell you
[01:50] <wesley_> google ?
[01:50] <szrhawaii> yeah i was figuring that
[01:50] <szrhawaii> i was also reading up on managing kcron too
[01:50] <szrhawaii> but i cant find the file that i would need to disable that file
[01:50] <szrhawaii> let alone i barely know how to work kcron as that
[01:50] <wesley_> yeah kde is friendly when nothing goes wrong
[01:50] <benbloom> that seems a little extreme wesley_: this is kde3 BTW is there another way?
[01:51] <e-head> hey, how can you get a description of packages using apt?
[01:51] <wesley_> yeah run kicker
[01:51] <e-head> is apt-cache showpkg supposed to show a little summary?
[01:51] <wesley_> benbloom you need to run kicker then i think or kwin
[01:51] <loganWHD> gosh darn 8.10
[01:52] <szrhawaii> mister-tea if you can help me figure out how to put this in properly that would be a help http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=7355
[01:52] <wesley_> but exterme is it not deleting .kde its just renewes and you kde is default
[01:52] <wesley_> fuck compiling is going wrong
[01:54] <benbloom> well wesley_, killing and then running kicker seems to have restored it. question is for how long.... but at least I know how (I didn't know what kicker was called)
[01:56] <mister-tea> szrhawaii: looks a little risky but if you follow the instructions you shoud be ok  backup what they tell first though
[01:57] <szrhawaii> i did the file directory alreay
[01:57] <szrhawaii> i just dont really understand were to go on the other part
[01:58] <mister-tea> szrhawaii: what happens alot of times it's tested on only a few systems so your results may differ
[01:58] <szrhawaii> yeah thats true
[01:59] <szrhawaii> maybe the way im trying to find out might be better than his way
[01:59] <szrhawaii> it just seems to much work for something so simple
[01:59] <mister-tea> you might be surprised
[02:00] <szrhawaii> yeah it might be really simple if i can find out why my trash can doesnt work when i take that pff and fix that it might be worth it
[02:01] <szrhawaii> maybe if i go through the lib files that delete with kdesktop and keep certain ones it might be good
[02:02] <szrhawaii> you know what its probably because it takes a kdebase file when i delete that file
[02:02] <wesley_> i am wondering why kde-nightly isnt up to date
[02:06] <astromme> wesley_ It's decently new, only a few weeks old I think
[02:07] <astromme> scratch that, few days
[02:07] <astromme> wesley_: my kde-nightly-kdebase is from 20081128, so 3 days ago
[02:08] <szrhawaii> does anyone know what i should download for kcron to make it more managable
[02:10] <szrhawaii> is there a better program than kcron i should use
[02:10] <szrhawaii> or is that one ok
[02:11] <astromme> to edit cron? /shrug, it seems fine
[02:11] <szrhawaii> theres a recommend thing i was looking at that says if i disable a program in cron then it will not work unless i enable it
[02:12] <szrhawaii> but it only shows variable and task and no other files
[02:12] <astromme> sorry, I'm not understanding what you mean
[02:12] <szrhawaii> how do i edit cron
[02:12] <szrhawaii> kcron
[02:12] <astromme> I use crontab -e
[02:12] <geek64> how do you remove kde and all it comes with like konquerer etc.
[02:13] <geek64> and make it say ubuntu instead of kubuntu on the loading screen
[02:14] <geek64> please help
[02:14] <astromme> geek64: do you also have ubuntu installed?
[02:14] <geek64> yes
[02:14] <astromme> There was a post somewhere online... lets see
[02:14] <geek64> ubuntu was the oringinal and i tried kde and its too hard
[02:15] <astromme> geek64: Too hard! what's the worst thing for you?
[02:16] <geek64> having to boot up to windows (obvious dude)
[02:16] <mister-tea> what?
[02:16] <astromme> geek64: well of course, but what's bad within kde? (and I'm still searching for the link)
[02:16] <geek64> astomme everything is not where i want it and my gnome panels are appearing
[02:17] <szrhawaii> what kde was easy
[02:17] <geek64> its glitching
[02:17] <geek64> and whoever you are its not if you used only gnome
[02:17] <szrhawaii> you must have the 8.10 version
[02:17] <geek64> i do
[02:17] <szrhawaii> thats why
[02:17] <geek64> 4.10
[02:18] <szrhawaii> it still has some stuff to be worked out thats why
[02:18] <astromme> Yikes, I'm not sure if I've seen gnome panels appearing in kde ever. I wonder why they're running
[02:18] <Pici> 4.10?!
[02:18] <geek64> i tried in sympantic
[02:18] <astromme> wait, 4.10? or 8.10 with kde 4.1.2?
[02:18] <szrhawaii> same difference
[02:18] <geek64> i have kde 4.1 or whatever
[02:18]  * mister-tea is still on 8.04 and loves it
[02:18] <astromme> ok
[02:18] <szrhawaii> they all have 4.1
[02:18] <Pici> oh. whew.
[02:18] <Pici> !4.10
[02:18] <szrhawaii> i have 8.04 and love it too
[02:18] <mister-tea> lol
[02:19] <Pici> Don't scare us like that/.
[02:19] <astromme> Anyways, the link is here: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome . However, before you uninstall kde I'm curious to find out why your gnome panels are appearing in kde.
[02:19] <geek64> had 8.04 and took my internet
[02:19] <astromme> How did you start kde? From the login screen or after you were logged in?
[02:19] <geek64> well i installed kde
[02:19] <szrhawaii> what version
[02:20] <astromme> szrhawaii: he said 4.1 from intrepid
[02:20] <szrhawaii> oh sorry out to lunch thanks for the reminder
[02:20] <mister-tea> on the splash you are given a choice for menu and you can choose
[02:20] <geek64> and logged out and from gdm i enabled kde (this was no more than 10 minutes ago)
[02:20] <mister-tea> lunch it's bedtime here
[02:20] <geek64> and restarted
[02:20] <astromme> mister-tea: I know, but if you had started kde from within gnome with startkde or kdeinit or whatever, you would still get gnome panels
[02:21] <geek64>  and saw my gnome panels on kde
[02:21] <mister-tea> k
[02:21] <astromme> geek64, alright, still curious. For some reason they must be autostarting.
[02:22] <geek64> and after trying to enable gdm i got to a tty1 screen and had to start x
[02:22] <geek64> and it booted to gnome
[02:22] <astromme> that sounds strange.... did you reboot your computer after you installed kde? If you just logged out but kdm was set instead of gdm I could see some conflicts with X dropping to tty1.
[02:23] <geek64> yes
[02:23] <geek64> actully i didnot reboot i just logged out and chose kde as my session
[02:24] <geek64> and then i logged out again after seeing the gnome panels
[02:24] <geek64> and enabled gnome this was in kdm
[02:25] <geek64> and during the install of kdm i said for it to be my logon manerger
[02:26]  * mister-tea geek64 you type as bad as me
[02:26] <geek64> im 9 and  still suffering from im language
[02:26] <geek64> serious
[02:26] <geek64> mr.tea
[02:27] <mister-tea> shh your suposed to be at least 13 to be here
[02:27] <astromme> geek64: let me give you a hint. Don't give out your age on the internet, _especially_ if you are under 18
[02:28] <mneptok> and don't take UDP packets from strangers.
[02:28] <mister-tea> use autocomplete ie tab after the first letter and you will get my nick right
[02:28] <astromme> but I understand... I have some friends who can't get away from typing in "im language"
[02:28] <astromme> Anyways, we understand you, continue.
[02:29] <geek64> wait my memory is fading away.....
[02:29] <astromme> oh noes!
[02:30] <astromme> Alright. Well, if you feel like working some more to see if we can fix some of your issues with your kde we can. Otherwise, you can use that psychocats.net link to remove kde. Sorry to hear that it wasn't working for you
[02:30] <geek64> ok just tell me how to comepleately remove any trace of kde
[02:30] <astromme> geek64 http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[02:30] <geek64> and here is the quote of the day by me
[02:31] <darkhamm> where a can find a comparative between xine gstreamer and mplayer?
[02:31] <geek64> "the world belongs to the people who
[02:31] <geek64> think the can do what others
[02:31] <mister-tea> !enter
[02:32] <geek64> i will do a pastie instead
[02:35] <geek64> heres the quote http://paste.ubuntu.com/79092/
[02:35] <geek64> see it
[02:36] <geek64> its mine
[02:37] <geek64> who saw it
[02:37] <mister-tea> anyone that clicked the link
[02:37] <dr_willis> !puregnome
[02:37] <geek64> did you
[02:38] <dr_willis> I dont click on links to read questions.. unless the person at least sumamreizes the question a bit in chennal.. and I know i can help
[02:38] <mister-tea> yes
[02:38] <geek64> is it good
[02:39] <mister-tea> it's a start
[02:39] <geek64> i think its pretty good for someone my age
[02:40] <mister-tea> dr_willis:  it was his quote .. not a question really
[02:40] <mister-tea> geek64:  you have been warned already stay away from the age thing
[02:41] <mn> would anyone here be willing to help me with kdevelop?
[02:42] <etfb> Running Apache on my laptop and writing programs to communicate via HTTP with localhost.  Is there a tool that can show me the whole HTTP "conversation", headers and all?
[02:53] <kasdaye> Hey, just a question, are the repos really slow right now for anyone else?
[02:54] <kasdaye> I just installed 8.10 and I'm doing the big first update and it's going take quite a while it seems
[02:55] <mister-tea> that's probably a good thing
[02:55] <kasdaye> Why is that, mister-tea?
[02:56] <Rioting_pacifist> a flash card reader in my laptop is screwed, sometimes when i move the laptop it freezes up the pci bus (that everything is on) and so crashes the kernel, is there a way to stop this
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> kasdaye: they're crawling for me too
[02:57] <kasdaye> That's 'good' I guess. I was worried that my wireless card's driver may have been messed up
[02:57] <genii-around> Rioting_pacifist: Why don't you get it repaired?
[02:57] <mister-tea> kasdaye:  the longer it takes the more fixes you get
[02:57] <kasdaye> (This PRO/Wireless 3945ABG has been nothing but trouble)
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> mister-tea: not if the time spent is limited by bandwidth and not the total amount of updates ;-)
[02:58] <mister-tea> indeed
[02:58] <xn1ghtx> I know I'm probably not "in-topic" But I have a question, any of you would know of a good netbook to run kubuntu ?
[02:58] <Grant-A> is ~/.profile the DASH equivalent of ~/.bash_profile?
[02:59]  * JontheEchidna still has 40 Mb to go, projected to take an hour :(
[02:59] <mister-tea> ouch
[02:59] <kasdaye> Mine drops from ~20KBps to 0 and then jumps back up and down and up and down and ... you get the idea
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> same here
[03:00] <Rioting_pacifist> genii-around: well firstly because i dont think its fixable so id just pay £10 for them to try and sell me a new laptop, plus the shop i bought it from screwed me over and i dont trust them (and i lost my recipt)
[03:00] <XN1ghtX> same here
[03:00] <Grant-A> I have a 16Mbps connection, I get 750kb/s :)
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> We must hunt Grant down!1!1 :P
[03:00] <XN1ghtX> Grant-A, at least don't say it out loud :(
[03:00] <Grant-A> lol
[03:00] <kasdaye> Hunt him down and leech his wireless!
[03:00] <kasdaye> :P
[03:00] <Grant-A> comcast recently updated it's service in Texas from 8 to 16mbps
[03:01] <Grant-A> much better than the previous connection
[03:01] <genii-around> Rioting_pacifist: Well, the only really correct answer to your query is to have it repaired, since this is a physical problem with the computer
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> I have a 1.5 mbps connection
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> 256 kbps up, \o/
[03:01] <Grant-A> your limit? O_o
[03:01] <Grant-A> oh, speed
[03:01] <Rioting_pacifist> i suppose but cant linux just powerdown the flash card reader or ignore all data from it so it doesnt crash the bus?
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah, speed
[03:02] <genii-around> Rioting_pacifist:
[03:02] <genii-around> bah
[03:02] <Grant-A> the only downside is the bandwidth limits with comcast. I get 250 GB a month up/down
[03:02] <Grant-A> which is pretty generous for an ISP in the U.S., I suppose
[03:02] <genii-around> Rioting_pacifist: No, since again this is a hardware thing
[03:02] <Grant-A> especially since the infrastructure is so bad
[03:02] <kasdaye> Mine is theoretically unlimited, but I haven't had much call to use it
[03:02] <Grant-A> porn? :P
[03:02] <Rioting_pacifist> genii-around: lame, thx for the help though
[03:03] <kasdaye> Hehe
[03:03] <XN1ghtX> It's a trap :P
[03:03] <Grant-A> too bad all of the companies that own the internet's backbone in the U.S. don't get together and fix the ends up the infrastructure
[03:03] <genii-around> Rioting_pacifist: eg: if it's on the pci bus it's integral to the computer...no way to turn off only a part of it. If it's on the usb bus, conceivably don't load the usb driver
[03:04] <kasdaye> (In retrospect, I ought to have downloaded nethack or something before doing the upgrades...)
[03:04] <Grant-A> *fix up the ends
[03:04] <Grant-A> kasdaye: torrents?
[03:04] <Grant-A> torrents are very nice for a slow connection
[03:04] <Grant-A> 2nd best is a download manager like kget, or so
[03:04] <XN1ghtX> Grant-A, 250 gb up/down is pretty good... where I live the max i've seen is 30 up/down -_-
[03:04] <Grant-A> O_o
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> XN1ghtX: that's a total traffic cap, not speed
[03:05] <kasdaye> My connection is generally fast enough for my purposes, ~500kbps
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> unless you mean that they really do have 30 up/down, which is sorta sad
[03:05] <XN1ghtX> Yes, I know.
[03:05] <jsunio> #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:05] <Grant-A> too bad there's no open source to the internet
[03:06] <XN1ghtX> I was speaking of total traffic cap
[03:06] <XN1ghtX> Huhum.
[03:06] <Grant-A> *open source equivalent
[03:06] <mister-tea> !ot
[03:06] <Grant-A> ok then, if this is support why did no one answer my previous question?
[03:07] <Grant-A> is ~/.profile the DASH equivalent of ~/.bash_profile?
[03:07] <mister-tea> !ask
[03:07] <Grant-A> mister-tea: that was a very redundant statement. My question regarding why no one was answering was rhetorical.
[03:08] <jsunio> Grant-A: does this help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash
[03:08] <jsunio> Thanks, that will be $10
[03:08] <mister-tea> I was just saying that no one knew the answer
[03:08] <Grant-A> not really...
[03:09] <jsunio> Then 'yes'?
[03:09] <Grant-A> ah, there we go
[03:09] <jsunio> If that turns out to be wrong, then 'no'
[03:09] <Grant-A> it's the 3rd priority file it checks for
[03:09] <Grant-A> thanks :)
[03:09] <jsunio> cool! I just googled it
[03:10] <Grant-A> lol
[03:10] <Grant-A> !google
[03:10] <Grant-A> I'll be back momentarily
[03:10] <Grant-A> have to reboot for updates
[03:27] <binMonkey> i want to transfer language lessons from a cd to my mp3 player.  do i just move the tracks from the cd to my computer and then to my player or do i have to convert them to mp3 first?
[03:28] <genii> binMonkey: You have to rip them to mp3 in some way before transferring them
[03:29] <binMonkey> genii: ok thanks.
[03:29] <genii> binMonkey: np
[03:30] <stdin> binMonkey: I suggest installing kdemultimedia-kio-plugins then going to "audiocd:/" in konqueror or dolphin. then you can just copy & paste and it'll transcode as it's copied
[03:31] <binMonkey> stdin: i'm installing as i type this.  thanks.
[03:31] <gab3> anybody know a gui runlevel editor for kubuntu?
[03:31] <stdin> it's the best riping tool I know
[03:33] <MHz128> hello world
[03:33] <MHz128> I am looking for an application similar to Gnome-Do, only for Kde... any ideas?
[03:34] <stdin> what does "Gnome-Do" do?
[03:35] <MHz128> ummm kind of like auto-completion..... similar to Quiksilver for MacOS
[03:35] <MHz128> or Katapult
[03:35] <stdin> press alt-f2?
[03:36] <MHz128> ya..... gnome-do is way better
[03:40] <\Kira> using the kwifimanager, I get a "speed settings could not be modified error", any thoughs?
[03:42] <leila2> hi. something's wrong with adept. it keeps saying "Another process is using the packaging system database" ... how can find out what? i've already rebooted the computer. the first thing i did was to use adept. i don't see how anything else is ussing it
[03:42] <leila2> i don't see anything in ksysguard which would be using it
[03:43] <genii> leila2: Possibly the update manager
[03:44] <leila2> already killed it
[03:44] <stdin> !aptfix
[03:44] <genii> !aptfix
[03:44] <stdin> snap!
[03:44] <genii> stdin: Hehe
[03:45] <leila2> wow, i like fuser
[03:45] <leila2> especially with those options
[03:46] <supert0nes> anyone know where i can pick up kdenlive .7?
[03:47] <kabo> i cant login after upgrade
[03:47] <leila2> was about to ask how to tunnel output from top to a pastebin, but fuser works just fine :)
[03:48] <stdin> "ps aux" is better than top if you're looking for something
[03:49] <leila2> thanks stdin
[03:51] <\Kira> what is fuser, anyway?
[03:52] <leila2> man fuser
[03:52] <stdin> $ whatis fuser
[03:52] <stdin> fuser (1)            - identify processes using files or sockets
[03:52] <leila2> was about to paste man output
[03:52] <leila2> nevermind then. anyway, this is the fuser output: http://dpaste.com/95258/
[03:52] <leila2> err, the error at the end
[03:53] <stdin> do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to see the real error(s)
[03:55] <leila2> http://dpaste.com/95259/
[03:56] <leila2> looks like hal needs to be reinstalled
[03:56] <leila2> never experienced circular dependencies on ubuntu before
[03:56] <stdin> do it without the "> error.txt"
[03:57] <stdin> besides "2>&1 > errors.txt" would be better for logging
[03:57] <leila2> yeah, it didn't work as expected. but that's the output on dpaste without > error.txt
[03:58] <leila2> well, it's the same output
[03:59] <stdin> that output doesn't show any normal output, only errors. I would expect to see a message about hal trying to start
[04:01] <leila2> stdin: you are right
[04:02] <leila2> http://dpaste.com/95262/
[04:02]  * leila2 is impressed w/ stdin's skills
[04:02] <genii> !cookie | stdin
[04:03] <leila2> hehe
[04:07] <leila2>  /etc/apt/sources.list http://dpaste.com/95264/
[04:07] <rogan> Does a new Ipod have to be formated on a windows or a mac computer before it can work on linux?
[04:08] <stdin> leila2: I guess you need to try to reinstall hal somehow
[04:08] <stdin> rogan: either should work
[04:09] <rogan> so I cant have a new ipod out of the box work on linux? cause thats what im geting?
[04:11] <stdin> rogan: sure, just format it. and I'm pretty sure itunes works with wine
[04:12] <leila2> hm, still getting errors while trying to reinstall
[04:12] <leila2> maybe i should download the .deb file
[04:13] <rogan> stdin: im prety sure it does not but ill check
[04:13] <leila2> rogan, have you tried mounting it yet. just curious
[04:14] <rogan> leila2: the ipod? ya and amarok comes up with it being mounted but i cant add songs or anything
[04:15] <stdin> leila2: try "sudo dpkg --force-all --install /var/cache/archives/hal_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu8.2_i386.deb" if you're on i386
[04:16] <stdin> where is 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu8.2 from anyway?
[04:18] <leila2> http://dpaste.com/95265/
[04:19] <leila2> i suppose i could reinstall since this is a fresh install and this was an kubuntu alpha live cd
[04:19] <leila2> i have ubuntu 6.06 cd lying around
[04:19] <stdin> leila2: you can "force" it to install. edit /etc/init.d/hal: "kdesudo kate /etc/init.d/hal" and add "exit 0" under "#! /bin/sh"
[04:19] <leila2> what an upgrade that will be
[04:20] <stdin> that probably won't solve it, but it'll get it to install. then you can remove the line and see if it works after
[04:20] <stdin> where did you get that version from though?
[04:23] <leila2> kubuntu hardy alpha 2, not sure
[04:23] <leila2> are you telling me to wipe the /init.d/hal file and just add "exit 0" at the bottom?
[04:24] <stdin> leila2: no, just add it on line 2
[04:24] <leila2> so the file essentially reads exiot 0
[04:24] <leila2> oh
[04:24] <leila2> wow
[04:24] <leila2> that worked i think
[04:24] <leila2> Setting up hal (0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu8.2) ...
[04:24] <leila2>  * Reloading system message bus config...                                [ OK ]
[04:24] <stdin> then remove the line and see if it works
[04:24] <leila2> because it received exit 0, not sure if it's working
[04:25] <leila2> using the --force all -install /var/cache... command?
[04:25] <stdin> no "sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart"
[04:25] <leila2> didn't wait for a response, went ahead and performed the command with the same error
[04:25] <stdin> it could be that it needs a reboot, to clear out some old sockets
[04:25] <leila2> okay
[04:26] <leila2> did it all over with the 'hal restart', no errors received
[04:27] <leila2> rogan, have you formatted your ipod yet?
[04:33] <rogan> leila2: no im not sure how
[04:34] <rogan> leila2: itunes 8 dosent work with wine
[04:36] <binMonkey> has anyone had any luck getting the blackberry software working with wine?
[04:36] <Rioting_pacifist> how do i change the powersaving state of a pci device to d3 program without writing a whole porgram, i can seam to see anything about powersaving in setpci
[04:39] <chipbuddy> anyone want to try and answer a simple python question?
[04:39] <Rioting_pacifist> !ask
[04:40] <donjr_KS> Can anyone tell me how I can access my flash drive via console?
[04:41] <leila2> !upgrade
[04:41] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: do you know where it is /dev/sd* or if its moundted /media/*. and is it usb or flash card?
[04:42] <leila2> i can just do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" right?
[04:42] <leila2> (to upgrade to 8.10)
[04:42] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: are you needing to mount your thumb drive from the terminal?
[04:44] <donjr_KS> yeah I would assume that's what I need to do...I"m new to linux
[04:44] <donjr_KS> I went to uninstall some packages and some how it uninstalled ALOT.....including dolphin....blah
[04:44] <donjr_KS> so now I have to use the console to copy some files into my flash drive before I lose anything else
[04:45] <donjr_KS> I did the command 'mount' and have a list, just not sure which is my flash drive
[04:45] <sidney> I cant find this folder Windows.vdi (/home/sidney/.VirtualBox/VDI)
[04:46] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: if you run 'sudo fdisk -l' it should show you a list of your storage devices
[04:46] <donjr_KS> thanks I'll give that a shot
[04:46] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: that is a small L at the end, by the way
[04:46] <donjr_KS> right
[04:46] <donjr_KS> I think I found it
[04:46] <Rioting_pacifist> ok 1st you need to mount it with something like mkdir /media/usb ; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb but instead of sdb1 you have the address of the usb pen
[04:46] <donjr_KS> but when I try it tells me it's not a directory
[04:47] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: that will likely show you what your device is called in /dev, which will help you figure out how to mount it
[04:47] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: do you not have access to a GUI?
[04:47] <donjr_KS> okay so I need to mount the /dev/sdb?
[04:47] <leila2> adept_updater says there is nothing to update, do i need to change sources.list?
[04:47] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx no....dolphin got uninstalled somehow
[04:47]  * leila2 wants to be completely updated
[04:48] <jmichaelx> leila2: the manual way of upgrading would involved you editing your sources list, and changing every instance of 'hardy' to 'intrepid', then updating, then dist-upgrading
[04:49] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: do you still have konqueror?
[04:49] <donjr_KS> Okay, we're getting somewhere.  I type 'mount /dev/sdb /media/usb'  and it tells me I must specify the filesystem type
[04:49] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx nope
[04:49] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: that should work to mount your drive
[04:49] <donjr_KS> not sure why, when I tried to uninstall mysql it removed a BUNCH of things.....blah
[04:50] <astromme> leila2: kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[04:50] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: if you don't mind my asking, how did you wind up using kubuntu without dolphin or konqueror
[04:50] <astromme> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration
[04:50] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: im not sure if this is right for usb pens but /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sdb might help
[04:50] <jmichaelx> yeah, astromme's way is way better
[04:50] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx they were there originally, they were just removed when I tried to uninstall mysql server 5.0
[04:51] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: that is strange , but you could just install them again
[04:51] <donjr_KS> got it
[04:51] <donjr_KS> the sdb1 was it!
[04:51] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx I tried to reinstall some things.  And it told me it couldn't find the package to mysql server 5.0 and I'd have to fix it manually and I"m lost at that point
[04:52] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: did you install and remove mysql with apt-get?
[04:52] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: try using aptitude -f
[04:53] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx no I goofed up...and I may have to reinstall....I was using Adept and it was stalled out so I shut it down and it wasn't done...so packages got broke
[04:53] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: try entering Rioting_pacifist's command
[04:53] <donjr_KS> Woah Rioting_pacifist that did something not sure how to use this though
[04:54] <donjr_KS> it opened up a gui in the console window
[04:54] <donjr_KS> well...similar to a gui
[04:54] <Rioting_pacifist> if something is broken on your system it should offer ways to fix it, otherwise aptitude install dolphin should work
[04:55] <donjr_KS> aptitude install dolphin
[04:55] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: you have somehow started aptitude, which is a termal based package manager
[04:55] <donjr_KS> ran a bunch of things, I told it 'yes' to install, then it told me it couldn't find the file for mysql_server-5.0 and I'd have to fix it manually
[04:55] <donjr_KS> it's downloading a bunch of things now
[04:55] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: does it suggest a command to run when it gives you that error?
[04:55] <donjr_KS> hopefully this works
[04:56] <jmichaelx> ok, you could be making progress
[04:56] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx No, just said I'd have to fix it manually and ended
[04:56] <joe_> i would like to install stepmania but i don't know how to do it the file name is StepMania-3.9-linux-i386.tar.bz2 can anyone help me out for installing it???
[04:56] <donjr_KS> yes, it's downloading konqueror again, and kate and a bunch of other things, hopefully this works
[04:56] <donjr_KS> OMG it's removing things....
[04:56] <donjr_KS> okay
[04:57] <joe_> can anyone help me out???
[04:57] <donjr_KS> wow...this is getting interesting, it's removing, NOT installing
[04:58] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: what is it removing?
[04:58] <donjr_KS> it's done now...lot's of things that I saw.  bunch of .lib files
[04:58] <donjr_KS> some errors, but now it's back to aptitude and I can't see it all
[04:58] <donjr_KS> and now it want's to reinstall it
[04:58] <donjr_KS> to satisfy dependencies it says
[04:58] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: was it removing packages related to mysql by chance?
[04:59] <donjr_KS> amarok, kcontrol,  konqueror, lot's of things it's going to put back on now
[04:59] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx no, on everything with mysql involved it had errors
[04:59] <Rioting_pacifist> joe_: a .tar.bz2 is a compressed folder expand it somewhere (either using ark or tar -xf
[04:59] <colin_> joe: did you look at this
[04:59] <colin_> http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/FAQ:_Linux_version
[04:59] <donjr_KS> okay here we go
[04:59] <donjr_KS> Errors were encountered while processing: kdm-kde4
[04:59] <donjr_KS> mysql-server-5.0
[05:00] <joe_> no but i will now
[05:00] <colin_> joe: tar xzjf will uncompress it
[05:00] <donjr_KS> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:00] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: are you in hardy?
[05:00] <donjr_KS> A package failed to install.   trying to recover: Press return to continue
[05:00] <joe_> ok
[05:00] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx I believe so...or intrepid
[05:00] <joe_> how do i install it???
[05:00] <donjr_KS> no, it's Hardy
[05:01] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: press return aptitude is quite good at fixing stuff
[05:01] <donjr_KS> dpkg serious warning: files list file for package 'mysql-server-5.0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[05:01] <donjr_KS> removing kdm-kde4...
[05:01] <donjr_KS> debconf: DbDriver "config" /var/cache/debconf/config.dat islocked by another process
[05:02] <donjr_KS> Resource temporarily unavailabe
[05:02] <donjr_KS> dpkg error while cleaning up and yeah..wow I goofed this up pretty bad
[05:02] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: do you have adept or sunaptic open or anything?
[05:02] <Rioting_pacifist> !dpkg-fix
[05:02] <jmichaelx> synaptic*
[05:03] <donjr_KS> I press return to continue and it takes me back into the aptitude
[05:03] <donjr_KS> yes Adept appears to be working still
[05:03] <donjr_KS> Another process is using the packaging system database
[05:03] <donjr_KS> I should close out aptitude now
[05:03] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: you mean aptitude appears to be working, right?
[05:04] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: is another proccess running apart from aptitude? adept or apt-get or something?
[05:04] <jmichaelx> if you have adept or synaptic open, aptitude will not be able to be what it needs to do
[05:04] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx you asked if I had adept, yes adept is running.
[05:04] <donjr_KS> I have aptitude running in console
[05:04] <donjr_KS> that command you gave me Rioting
[05:04] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: you have to close adept
[05:04] <donjr_KS> slow down folks
[05:04] <jmichaelx> you can't use both at the same time
[05:04] <donjr_KS> adept isn't connected.  Aptitude is connected in the console
[05:04] <jmichaelx> lol
[05:04] <donjr_KS> when you asked if I had adept I tried running it to see if it would work or not
[05:05] <donjr_KS> it does, and tells me that another process is using the database
[05:05] <donjr_KS> which is aptitude in the console
[05:05] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: yeah, you have to have adept closed
[05:05] <donjr_KS> should I stay in the console or go to adept?
[05:05] <donjr_KS> adept is and has been close accept for that one time I tried torun it just now
[05:05] <jmichaelx> just go ahead and stay in the console
[05:06] <Rioting_pacifist> !fix
[05:06] <Rioting_pacifist> !adept crash
[05:06] <donjr_KS> okay I told it to update
[05:06] <Rioting_pacifist> !aptlock
[05:06] <bazhang> !aptfix
[05:06] <donjr_KS> there's an error in my sources file
[05:07] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: ok, have you made any modifications to your sources list?
[05:07] <donjr_KS> yes I did it through adept, trying to remember wher it is in the file system to remove those lines
[05:08] <donjr_KS> how can I copy a whole directory? or is that possible?
[05:08] <jmichaelx> did it say what the error was in your sources list?
[05:08] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx yes, the medibuntu site I have listed is no longer available
[05:08] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: to copy a whole dir, you use cp -r
[05:09] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: or possiblt medibuntu's servers are just down or something?
[05:09] <jmichaelx> possibly*
[05:09] <donjr_KS> that unfortunatly didn't work to copy into my flash drive....says cannot create symbolic link
[05:09] <donjr_KS> lol
[05:09] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx no I've just not removed them, I'll fix it
[05:10] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: what were you trying to copy?
[05:10] <donjr_KS> a manual install of java jre 6 update 10
[05:10] <donjr_KS> it copied most of it over
[05:11] <donjr_KS> okay, I have aptitude up...says kdm-kde4 is broken
[05:11] <jmichaelx> hmm, i am really confused about what is going on here.
[05:11] <donjr_KS> applying updates from within adept
[05:11] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx I'm confused too.....
[05:11] <jmichaelx> by the way, you can install java from the repositories
[05:12] <donjr_KS> from the beginning, this morning everything was working fine
[05:12] <donjr_KS> tonight I go to install mysql server 5.0 and adept appeared to have stalled.....thinking like an idiot winblows user I shut down adept and it totally fragged my comp
[05:12] <jmichaelx> ahhh
[05:13] <donjr_KS> now, when I try to update or install I keep getting an error on the mysql-server-5.0
[05:14] <donjr_KS> it shows the mysql-server-5.0 as upgradable...but it also shows there's nothing there or it's broken when I try to do it
[05:14] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: before you make any changes in your sources, try running 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' in a terminal... make sure you have closed out aptitude
[05:14] <donjr_KS> ok
[05:14] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx okay I ran that..it did a few setup things
[05:15] <donjr_KS> setting up libsoprano4...
[05:15] <donjr_KS> setting up libqt4-sql
[05:15] <donjr_KS> setting up kdelibs5
[05:15] <donjr_KS> and a few others
[05:15] <jmichaelx> ok, let it run
[05:15] <donjr_KS> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[05:15] <donjr_KS> was the last line and it's done
[05:15] <jmichaelx> now try 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[05:16] <donjr_KS> I do that, it askss if I want to continue, I tell it yes
[05:16] <donjr_KS> and I get all the same errors
[05:16] <jmichaelx> yes
[05:16] <jmichaelx> can you post those errors to a pastebin?
[05:16] <donjr_KS> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: resource temporarily unavailable
[05:17] <donjr_KS> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package 'mysql-server-5.0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[05:17] <jmichaelx> hmmm
[05:17] <donjr_KS> preparing to replace mysqlserver-5.0 using /mysql-server-blah blah.deb
[05:17] <jmichaelx> ok, let it do that
[05:17] <donjr_KS> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:17] <jmichaelx> ugh
[05:18] <donjr_KS> another DbDriver "config" error
[05:18] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: do you have any diskspace free?
[05:18] <donjr_KS> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-blah blah.deb
[05:18] <jmichaelx> it sounds like you are missing the source for mysql... could you have somehow removed that?
[05:18] <donjr_KS> and it ends
[05:18] <donjr_KS> Rioting_pacifist yes I have about 200 gigs free
[05:19] <donjr_KS> I was just going to do a total reinstall once I got the things I wanted saved on my falsh drive....lol
[05:19] <donjr_KS> but if we can fix it, I'll learn some things...so what ya got in mind?
[05:19] <sidney> when i type a command the terminal just goes to the next line
[05:20] <sidney> which is correct 'sudo updatedb' or sudo updateb
[05:20] <jmichaelx> sidney: 'sudo-apt-get update'
[05:21] <stdin> without the first -
[05:21] <jmichaelx> yes, lol
[05:21] <sidney> still nothing
[05:21] <jmichaelx> or is he wanting to run 'updatedb'? are you trying to update mlocate?
[05:22] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: im guessing here but the dpkg will try and install files only to see they are already there because it wasnt fully installed
[05:22] <sidney> no i'm looking for a file
[05:22] <donjr_KS> Rioting_pacifist that makes sense.  How can I fix it?
[05:22] <Rioting_pacifist> actually that doesnt explain the /var/cache/debconf error
[05:22] <sidney> a vdi file
[05:22] <stdin> sidney: "locate <filename>"
[05:23] <jmichaelx> 'locate *.vdi'
[05:23] <Guest23411> anyone here use an ipod with amarok 2?
[05:24] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: have you rebooted recently?
[05:24] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx not since last night
[05:24] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx scared to...lol
[05:24] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: is there a chance that the debconf lock issue would disappear if he rebooted?
[05:25] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: i understand lol
[05:25] <Rioting_pacifist> i dont think so but it might, i dont know much about locks
[05:26] <jmichaelx> Guest23411: i am not using amarok2, but i have heard that in fedora10, people are not able to transfer files to ipods using amarok2. i have no idea whether the same is true for amarok2 in intrepid
[05:26] <Guest23411> well i guess it is
[05:26] <Rioting_pacifist> fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat might tell you whats using the file but im in over my head tbh
[05:26] <genii> jmichaelx: No. The file locks are created when he app is run, if inelegantly shut/killed the lockfile stays
[05:27] <jmichaelx> genni: shouldn't dpkg --configure -a' straighten some of that out?
[05:27] <kabotage> hi i cant seem to find a soultion on how to fix my prob. when I try to login it justs kicks me back to login screen.
[05:28] <jmichaelx> oops
[05:28] <Rioting_pacifist> kabotage: do you have any free diskspace?
[05:28] <jmichaelx> genii:  shouldn't dpkg --configure -a straighten some of that out?
[05:28] <donjr_KS> okay, going to try restarting, and I'll be back
[05:28] <sidney> this path is not in the home folder
[05:28] <kabotage> Rioting_pacifist: yea. its like 7G of free space.
[05:29] <donjr_KS> Okay I just ran aptitude install mysql-server cause it says the package is missing...and it still says the package is missing, how do I get it to download it again?
[05:29] <Rioting_pacifist> kabotage: press alt+n to do a console login and then try startx that should give log you in or give you your error
[05:29] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: it almost sounds to me like you have removed the source for mysql from your sources.list
[05:30] <jmichaelx> is that possible?
[05:31] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx I was getting the error that the mysql-server-5.0-blah-blah.bin file was corrupt or something, so I went into the /apt/archive/ and removed it so that hopefully when I ran the -f or install it would grab a new working one.....it didn't help
[05:31] <kabotage> Rioting_pacifist: il try that. brb
[05:31] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: i would recommend NOT messing with /apt/archive
[05:31] <donjr_KS> ok
[05:32] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: try apt-get clean
[05:32] <donjr_KS> I'm going to try restarting, and probably will do a fresh install...do I need to unmount my flash drive so that it will save what I"ve put on it?
[05:32] <donjr_KS> Rioting_pacifist did that, ran with no errors
[05:32] <donjr_KS> now try to install again? or do the -f?
[05:32] <sidney> ok now how do i delete these files
[05:32] <Rioting_pacifist> now try install again
[05:33] <genii> donjr_KS: What does: lsof | grep /var/cache/debconf/config.dat                          say is using the file?
[05:33] <jmichaelx> sidney: are you absolutely sure you do not need them?
[05:33] <dougl> my installation from dvd seems to be hung at 15% "Calculating files to skip copying..."
[05:33] <donjr_KS> Rioting_pacifist it's downloading again!!!
[05:33] <dougl> how long should this take?
[05:33] <donjr_KS> genii I'l tell ya when the install get's done
[05:34] <sidney> no i cant create another virtual drive because of these
[05:35] <jmichaelx> sydney: the way to remove a file is 'rm -f filename', you need to use 'sudo' if the file is not in your /home. be VERY careful when using 'rm'
[05:35] <donjr_KS> Okay it was working.  then got the DbDriver "config" error again
[05:35] <donjr_KS> but it did re download
[05:36] <donjr_KS> genii that command you gave me returned nothing at all
[05:36] <Rioting_pacifist> !apt-fix
[05:37] <genii> donjr_KS: Then at this second nothing should be using that file
[05:37] <donjr_KS> running the command ubottu just gave me, I got an error
[05:38] <donjr_KS> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server:
[05:38] <jmichaelx> it sounds like he is missing a source
[05:38] <donjr_KS> mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0; however: package mysql-server-5.0 is not installed.
[05:38] <donjr_KS> dpkg: error processing mysql-server (--configure); dpeendency problems -leaving unconfigured
[05:38] <Rioting_pacifist> if nothing is using the file, would sudo fuser -vki /var/cache/debconf/config.dat fix the lock?
[05:39] <sidney> jmmichaelx would it be better to just uninstall Virtual box and start over\
[05:39] <donjr_KS> Rioting_pacifist I ran that command
[05:39] <genii> Rioting_pacifist: I don't know enough about fuser to tell you
[05:39] <jmichaelx> sidney: exactly what problem have you been having with virtualbox?
[05:39] <donjr_KS> USER   PID Access command /var/cache/debconf/config.dat: root
[05:39] <donjr_KS> dpkg-preconfire
[05:40] <donjr_KS> kill process 25486 ? (y/n)
[05:40] <Rioting_pacifist> erm... id go with y but i wouldnt want to get sued if it causes your computer to explode
[05:41] <sidney> when i attemped to install the os it stopped now i cant restart the install
[05:41] <donjr_KS> if it explodes I'll buy a new one
[05:41] <donjr_KS> okay process killed, now what?
[05:41] <donjr_KS> do the -f thing again?
[05:41] <sidney> too many drives have been created
[05:41] <donjr_KS> aptitude install -f?
[05:41]  * jmichaelx crosses his fingers that donjr_KS's PC does not spontaneously go into flames
[05:42] <Rioting_pacifist> erm aptitude install -f mysql-server should atleast give you an error as to why its failing
[05:42] <donjr_KS> no flames, back to $ prompt
[05:42] <dougl> my installation from cd seems to be hung at 15% "Calculating files to skip copying..."
[05:42] <dougl> how long should this take?
[05:43] <jmichaelx> sidney: do you think you possible had just not allowed the OS you were installing enough space?
[05:43] <jmichaelx> possibly*
[05:43] <donjr_KS> Rioting_pacifist I ran that, it's asking about things installed.  The following partially installed packages will be configured
[05:43] <donjr_KS> let's pray
[05:43] <donjr_KS> same things
[05:43] <donjr_KS> Writing extended stat information... Error!
[05:43] <donjr_KS> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the mysql-server-5.0 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
[05:44] <donjr_KS> how do I get it back?
[05:44] <jmichaelx> i still think he is missing a source
[05:44] <donjr_KS> how would I fix that?
[05:45] <genii> "missing arch" hints at trying to load a deb from a repo not for your computers physical type
[05:45] <donjr_KS> and I can't do ANYTHING with this problem here, I try to re-install dolphin and it gives me the mysql-server package error
[05:46] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: somehow you would had to have accidentally deleted it, or commented it out. it would need to be added again, or uncommented.... i don't know that this is the issue, but it is acting like there are dependencies it is unable to satisfy
[05:46] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:46] <jmichaelx> genii: ahh
[05:46] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx I havn't touched my sources.list for a few weeks....and I only uncommented a couple things
[05:47] <donjr_KS> how do I unmount? I need to see if my stuff is saved on my flash drive or not properly before I go much farther
[05:47] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: you don't need to unmount to do that
[05:47] <donjr_KS> thank God firefox is still working
[05:48] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: just enter 'ls /pathtoyourdrive
[05:48] <jmichaelx> ls /media/usb or whatever
[05:48] <donjr_KS> jmichaelx it shows that it's there
[05:48] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: to unmount make sure nothing is using the pendrive then sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[05:48] <donjr_KS> /etc/apt/sources.list has nothing in it.
[05:48] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS:  HWAT?
[05:49] <donjr_KS> had to sudo
[05:49] <donjr_KS> it's there
[05:49] <donjr_KS> now how do I highlight and copy it all from the console?lol
[05:49] <Rioting_pacifist> donjr_KS: are we talking real console or konsole?
[05:49] <donjr_KS> konsole
[05:50] <donjr_KS> I have the sources.list open in nano
[05:50] <Rioting_pacifist> selecting it with a mouse then right click copy and right click paste should work
[05:50] <jmichaelx> brb, i have to restart X, but am in suspense in regards to donjr_KS's problem here
[05:51] <donjr_KS> I'm getting the file pasted in a pastebin, one moment
[05:53] <donjr_KS> http://pastebin.ca/1273153
[05:55] <donjr_KS> I am lost
[05:56] <Rioting_pacifist> everything is there with no typos, erm says it cant find it :s
[05:57] <donjr_KS> yeah...frustrating
[05:57] <Rioting_pacifist> what does apt-get update do
[05:57] <donjr_KS> gives me one error on a public key on a medibuntu address
[05:58] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: sudo apt-get install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get update
[05:59] <donjr_KS> it's downloading, and it's downloading mysql-server-5.0
[05:59] <Rioting_pacifist> but that will only fix the error on the public key its not going to find the mysql-server package
[05:59] <Rioting_pacifist> :S i take it back and am now confused
[05:59] <donjr_KS> it downloaded it once before and still wouldn't install....we'll see what happens
[05:59] <donjr_KS> again I believe it thinks it's installed, though it's not installed properly
[05:59] <donjr_KS> due to my idiocy of shutting it down while it was in the process....
[05:59] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: it's possible that you're not able to install anything right now?
[06:00] <donjr_KS> not so far I havn't been able to, it keeps ending on the mysql error
[06:00] <donjr_KS> but it's re-downloading now, 92% we'll see what happens when it's done
[06:00] <donjr_KS> unpacking replacement mysql-server-5.0 and now it's in the configurationg...I think we got it fixed!!
[06:01] <donjr_KS> mysql server installed and started! keyring installed, updating is done and all is well so far
[06:01] <donjr_KS> dolphin is reinstalling!! Sweet!
[06:01] <donjr_KS> Thanks a ton guys!!
[06:01] <donjr_KS> now i have to figure out everything that accidentally got uninstalled and reinstall it......
[06:01] <jmichaelx> ok, there may possibly have been something proprietary in relation to mysql that medibuntu provides? is that possible?
[06:02] <donjr_KS> wow I thought I was going to have to reinstall
[06:02] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: i am dumbfounded that installing the medibuntu key would have any affect on any of this
[06:02] <donjr_KS> me too...may have just been the update
[06:03] <donjr_KS> I did the update, the key problem was all I had
[06:03] <donjr_KS> didn't try to install again after that, just went straight to the keyring install
[06:03] <donjr_KS> the update alone may have done it
[06:03] <kabotage> Rioting_pacifist: it says failed to initialize GLx extension (Compatible NVDIA X something like that
[06:03] <donjr_KS> konqueror got reinstalled
[06:04] <donjr_KS> no kate though......
[06:04] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: is it still working?
[06:04] <donjr_KS> instalation is done
[06:04] <donjr_KS> though it's not letting me open dolphin yet
[06:04] <donjr_KS> might have to restart......don't want to...lol
[06:04] <jmichaelx> did it install dolphin?
[06:04] <donjr_KS> says that it did
[06:05] <jmichaelx> can you open konqueror?
[06:05] <donjr_KS> it just removed kdm-kde4 what's that?
[06:05] <Rioting_pacifist> kabotage: there was a recent kernel update perhaps nvidias propriary drivers no longer work, try updating your system
[06:05] <Rioting_pacifist> !nvidia | kabotage.
[06:05] <donjr_KS> nope, clicking on konqueror doesn't work
[06:05] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: do you use kde3 or kde4?
[06:05] <donjr_KS> 4
[06:06] <jmichaelx> kdm is what you use to sign in to your PC
[06:06] <donjr_KS> OMG well I just reinstalled it then...lol
[06:06] <jmichaelx> well, you are in hardy, right?
[06:06] <donjr_KS> was fast and is reinstalled appropriately
[06:06] <donjr_KS> well I think
[06:06] <donjr_KS> yes in hardy
[06:07] <jmichaelx> ok, you may not even be using kdm-kde4, you may be using kde3's kdm
[06:07] <donjr_KS> ok
[06:07] <donjr_KS> guess there's nothing for it but to try and restart
[06:08] <jmichaelx> ok, could you try entering 'sudo apt-get install -f' again?
[06:08] <donjr_KS> says 0 upgraded, 0 installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded
[06:08] <donjr_KS> all looks good
[06:09] <donjr_KS> going to try a reboot and see if it's fried
[06:09] <donjr_KS> wish me luck on getting back
[06:09] <donjr_KS> lo
[06:09] <donjr_KS> lol
[06:09] <jmichaelx> it looks good, but it not allowing you to open dolphin or konqueror is not good
[06:09] <jmichaelx> donjr_KS: did you reinstall kdm-kde4?
[06:09] <jmichaelx> too late
[06:10] <kabotage> Rioting_pacifist: ive upgraded 8.10 to 9.04 alpha1 and ive always do update upgrade and dist-upgrade after the upgrade, hoping that there will be a fix but i think not. if i can only know how to look for the error. thanks. il try that
[06:12] <Rioting_pacifist> kabotage: ahh well if your using 9.04 alpha the chances are that stuff will break you may want to have a backup xorg.conf with the opensource drivers instead, although in all likelyhood they too will break
[06:13] <jmichaelx> not mentioning the fact that xorg.conf is often empty these days
[06:13]  * jmichaelx has not adjusted to the new Xorg
[06:14] <Rioting_pacifist> hu? is this some crazy 8.10 thing? i need xorg.conf to switch between ati and readon driver regularly.
[06:15]  * Rioting_pacifist is not liking the removing of config files in favor of fancy alternatives that often fail (*looks at NetworkManager*)
[06:15] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: i don't know what is in your xorg.conf, but it is basically empty for many people these days
[06:16] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: on this machine, my xorg.conf DOES show fglrx, and it shows glx, and that is about it
[06:17] <kabotage> Rioting_pacifist: should i delete all the contents of the xorg? is that safe?
[06:17] <jmichaelx> kabotage: NO
[06:17] <jmichaelx> lol
[06:18] <kabotage> jmichaelx: oh ok. hehe
[06:18] <Rioting_pacifist> sudo dexconf or  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg will let you change your video driver
[06:20] <jmichaelx> if it has contents, and your X is working, leave it alone
[06:20] <jmichaelx> my laptop has intel video, and there basically nothing in xorg.conf... but at least fglrx is mentioned on this desktop
[06:20] <jmichaelx> some of my posts may be missing, but internet is going off and on at the moment
[06:22] <Rioting_pacifist> wierd i have all my input devices specified and resolution rates and radeon + setting or fglrx + please dont crash specified, but ive spent alot of time trying to get fullscreen flash working
[06:23]  * Rioting_pacifist is woried that donjr isnt back
[06:23] <jmichaelx> i was thinking the same thing
[06:23] <jmichaelx> i don't know whether or not he got kdm reinstalled
[06:24] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: has it been a while since you've done a fresh install?
[06:25] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah not since 8.04 was released, im not a fan of kde4
[06:25] <MHz128> What is the purpose of the Plasma Dashboard? I cant figure it out
[06:26] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: i am using 2 PCs at the moment (using synergy to network the keyboard and mouse, lol), and the other PC here is still running hardy, and it still has a full-blown xorg.conf using nvidia
[06:26] <jmichaelx> MHz128: it is kind of the 'new' way to bring your desktop to the forefront
[06:27] <jmichaelx> even dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't really do anything anymore
[06:27] <MHz128> jmichaelx: I added a few widgets to the Dashboard, but they are still stuck to the regular desktop... is that the way it works?
[06:27] <MHz128> The only difference is a black transparent window like thingy
[06:28] <jmichaelx> MHz128: yes, i think it is. the widgets are a part of the desktop
[06:28] <Rioting_pacifist> jmichaelx:  is this some fancy new autodetection or just more sane defaults
[06:28] <MHz128> sooo... all the Dashboard does it bring the widgets to the front?
[06:28] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: it's supposed to be auto-detection, but as you can imagine, it is far from flawless
[06:29] <jmichaelx> MHz128: more or less
[06:29] <MHz128> wow thats useless....... its the same as using "show desktop
[06:30] <MHz128> is there a keyboard shortcut to access Dashboard?
[06:30] <jmichaelx> MHz128: it is basically the new 'show desktop'. you don't have to use it if you don't want it. just remove it from your panel
[06:30] <jmichaelx> MHz128: i'm not sure about that
[06:31] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: i will say, though, that with this machine using fglrx, it did automatically detect everything for me... it went immediately to me default resolution
[06:31] <jmichaelx> my*
[06:32] <Rioting_pacifist> i suppose its not all that bad aslong as xorg.conf can override stuff
[06:33] <yeara> hi... all... I m new here...
[06:33] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: i am supposing it can, but i am honestly totally lost now. i used to know my way around xorg settings... now i'm without a clue
[06:33] <jmichaelx> !hi | yeara
[06:34] <yeara> hi jmichaelx
[06:34] <yeara> thank u
[06:34] <jmichaelx> very welcome
[06:34] <Rioting_pacifist> hmm now for some dos emulated goodness, im off having got no closer to a solution to my hardware fault
[06:34] <yeara> what is the topic today?
[06:35] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: what problem have you been having?
[06:35] <jmichaelx> you're running dosemu?
[06:35] <jmichaelx> yeara: we just banter aimlessly in here
[06:35] <yeara> its all fine I m using new kubuntu
[06:36] <jmichaelx> i have been playing off and on with dosemu lately.... the other night i was playing with an open source dos GUI called openGEM
[06:36] <Rioting_pacifist> i have a flash card reader that goes crazy and conflics with other pci devices, i was looking for a way to power it off from software, after quite abit of research i found the best i could do was nearly turn it off but i never found out how
[06:36] <Rioting_pacifist> i didnt sleep lastnight because i booted up the original dune game in dosemu
[06:37] <jmichaelx> yeah, those old dos games can really ruin a good night's sleep
[06:37] <yeara> he he he... all confuse about computer program?
[06:37] <yeara> maybe u r need rest a while
[06:37] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: a few weeks ago i also installed mame , and installed the roms of several old arcade games.... i lost a lot of sleep there, too
[06:38] <yeara> that's a good game
[06:38] <yeara> its like to be a child again...
[06:38] <kasdaye> So I made a little mistake I think...
[06:38] <jmichaelx> yeara: i am normally not a big gamer... but these old games brought back memories
[06:38] <jmichaelx> kasdaye: uh oh
[06:39] <yeara> its like me
[06:39] <kasdaye> I included backports and proposed when I upgraded... how likely is it that my system will break horribly?
[06:39] <yeara> a little memory that we cannot erase
[06:39] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: another thing you could do (and probably shouldn't) is install 'vice' for commodore 64 emulation
[06:40] <jmichaelx> kasdaye: i am not sure about proposed.... are you in the process of upgrading at the moment?
[06:40] <jmichaelx> yeara: exactly
[06:40] <jmichaelx> lol
[06:40] <kasdaye> jmichaelx: Yeah, it's just about to finish fetching the packages
[06:41] <kasdaye> It's taken a good ~4 hours
[06:41] <jmichaelx> kasdaye: i am not sure what you'l run into with proposed, but somehow i think there is a good chance you'll be fine
[06:41] <kasdaye> Alrighty, here's hoping =)
[06:42] <Rioting_pacifist> himm turns out im using dosbox is there much of a differnce with dosemu? im too young for comadore 64 dos was where it all went wrong for me
[06:42] <jmichaelx> kasdaye: if everything is fine, after your upgrade is finished, it might be wise to go ahead and comment proposed out
[06:42] <jmichaelx> lol rioting
[06:43] <jmichaelx> well, the c64 is a different dimension altogether, but... there was a TON of fun games for the c64 back inthe 80's, most of which can be downloaded readily now
[06:44]  * genii plays Impossible Mission!
[06:44] <jmichaelx> genii: rock on!!
[06:45] <yeara> there are a good computer program that's I can try?
[06:45] <Rioting_pacifist> i gave nethack a go but its just too old so went for nethack-qt
[06:45] <genii> I think it was first game I saw with voice synth
[06:45] <jmichaelx> Rioting_pacifist: does your screen name in here have any significance?
[06:45] <yeara> in database maybe?
[06:45] <bazhang> !info dosbox
[06:45] <jmichaelx> !info dosemu
[06:45] <bazhang> !info zsnes
[06:45] <bazhang> yeara, ^^
[06:46] <jmichaelx> !info vice
[06:46] <Rioting_pacifist> !info singularity
[06:46] <Rioting_pacifist> !info wesnoth
[06:47] <jmichaelx> i have no idea why 'vice' would be optional!
[06:47] <genii> Heh
[06:47] <Rioting_pacifist> !info bsd-games < i once wasted about 4hrs trying to land planes on that
[06:47] <jmichaelx> lol
[06:48] <Rioting_pacifist> #
[06:48] <Rioting_pacifist> !info bsdgames
[06:48] <jmichaelx> what's bad is that it is the primitive games that i like.... when you start talking WoW, i could not care less
[06:48] <jmichaelx> genii: i have been playing a lot of loderunner
[06:48] <genii> Yeah that was another classic
[06:49] <MHz128> What is the "Embedded Advanced Text Editor" ???
[06:49] <MHz128> kwrite?
[06:49] <jmichaelx> hmm, kate or kwrite, i guess?
[06:49] <MHz128> weird!
[06:49] <jmichaelx> probably kate
[06:49] <Rioting_pacifist> the kpart for kwrite
[06:49] <MHz128> kate is default ? i dont think i have it
[06:50] <jmichaelx> it may not be default.... although i usually wind up with both
[06:50] <jmichaelx> i almost never use kate or kwrite
[06:50] <MHz128> are there any other theme sites. besides kde-look.org
[06:51] <jmichaelx> kde look is where i go... otherwise you probably just have to google to find other things scattered around
[06:52] <MHz128> okie dokie
[06:52] <yeara> !info abiword
[06:52] <jmichaelx> i recently found the old arcade rom for galaga.... and have been playing that a lot in mame
[06:52] <MHz128> jmichaelx: do you find KDE is kind of 'glitchy' ?
[06:52] <jmichaelx> yeara: abiword is a nice, small word processor
[06:52] <yeara> !info rar
[06:53] <yeara> yup... that's good for my job
[06:53] <jmichaelx> MHz128: kde4 is still not fully baked, to say the least. kde3 is pretty stable
[06:53] <yeara> hey I want to change the look of my kde.. how?
[06:53] <yeara> icon
[06:53] <jmichaelx> yeara: are you in kde4?
[06:54] <yeara> yes
[06:54] <jmichaelx> for icons, you would go to your system settings and select 'appearance' to make changes
[06:55] <jmichaelx> yeara: and there are other icon sets you can download from the repositories, and still others you can find on the internet.... like at kde-look
[06:55] <yeara> okay thank you
[07:00] <yeara> version ltsp for pentium 3 computer, please?
[07:02] <bentob0x> anybody would know an issue where kcmshell printers won't find the smb share where findsmb displays it?
[07:03] <yeara> arcade game
[07:03] <yeara> i have cannon printer... but I cannot find driver one...
[07:04] <yeara> iP 1300
[07:04] <MHz128> Will themes for KDE 3.5 work with v4.0+ ???
[07:11] <jmichaelx> MHz128: i seriously doubt it
[07:11] <jmichaelx> !ltsp
[07:12] <jmichaelx> yeara: i don't know much about ltsp, but there are some links that you could read through
[07:21] <kasdaye> Nothing broke! If anything, it runs better now.
[07:21] <kasdaye> :D
[07:21] <jmichaelx> kasdaye: congrats
[07:22] <jmichaelx> i am no expert on this, but for the moment, i might suggest that you disable the proposed repos. you can ask folks in here later on what they think about that
[07:22] <kasdaye> Will do.
[07:25] <jmichaelx> good night all!
[07:32] <micha_> is there a gimpshop deb or can i install via apt-get
[07:33] <jussi01> micha_: I think there was one on their site...
[07:34] <jussi01> micha_: yep, debian package here: http://www.gimpshop.com/download.shtml
[07:35] <micha_> thanks jussi01
[07:35] <jussi01> np :)
[07:35]  * micha_ doesn't understand why gimp opens in 3 windows not 1
[07:47] <goetz> hi
[07:47] <goetz> Is possible to upgrade to the Kde 4.2 Beta with intrepid?
[07:49] <pyrotix> aah. I just had an open office writer crash and lost a document. The recovery only got the very beginning of the document although I had the document finished and open for hours. Is there any way for me to get it back?
[07:52] <trav> hello
[07:53] <trav> I just installed compiz on kubuntu 8.10, the config program works fine but it's just not enabled
[07:53] <trav> is there some switch somewhere?
[07:55] <goetz> trav: try:         compiz --repace
[07:55] <goetz> trav: try:         compiz --replace
[07:56] <trav> oh nevermind
[07:56] <trav> I was wrong...
[07:57] <trav> Compiz is enabled and working but I can't use the CompizConfig Settings Manager, KDE Display settings has hijacked control
[07:58] <trav> any ideas?
[07:59] <trav> for instance I can enable wobbly windows with the built in display settings but not the compiz control panel
[08:00] <goetz> trav: hmm. are you sure you are using compiz and not kwin?
[08:00] <trav> haha no
[08:00] <trav> I installed compiz using the add programs
[08:00] <trav> sorry I'm such a noob
[08:01] <trav> ok add/remove software
[08:02] <goetz> trav: np :) If you are using the kwin compositor you can chanche those settings in system settings
[08:02] <goetz> In "Desktop" under Look & Feel
[08:02] <trav> well in that case I want to replace it with Compiz
[08:02] <goetz> compiz --replace
[08:03] <goetz> and in System Settings
[08:03] <goetz> in the Adcanced Tab
[08:03] <goetz> In Session Manager
[08:03] <trav> I think it's working yay
[08:03] <goetz> At the in Windows Manager Change to compiz
[08:03] <trav> wow compiz --replace, doesn't get much easier than that
[08:04] <goetz> to start it automatcly
[08:04] <goetz> at the login
[08:04] <trav> 'cept it got stuck
[08:04] <trav> kde-window-decorator(7120) KWD::KDecorationPlugins::loadPlugin: kwin : path  "/usr/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so"  for  "kwin3_oxygen"
[08:04] <trav> then it froze
[08:05] <trav> or is it supposed to do that
[08:05] <goetz> trav froze what?
[08:05] <trav> nevermind
[08:05] <trav> it was working and I thought it was frozen
[08:05] <goetz> ok
[08:06] <trav> thank you
[08:06] <goetz> :)
[08:09] <yeara> !wine
[08:17] <trav> hello
[08:17] <trav> so compiz is working great, but now how do I enabe desktop cube n all that?  i tried sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[08:17] <trav> apparently they're already installed
[08:18] <ooglebutte> maybe try in compiz-fusion
[08:18] <ooglebutte> !compiz
[08:18] <trav> ok got it
[08:18] <ooglebutte> :)
[08:19] <trav> so that sweet remote desktop client for Ubuntu, does that work on KDE?
[08:26] <ooglebutte> trav: the most recent I could find with a quick google search - http://swik.net/Kubuntu/del.icio.us%2Ftag%2Fkubuntu/Enable+Remote+Desktop+(VNC)+on+Kubuntu+::+the+How-To+Geek/cf8fb
[08:32] <trav> nice it's all working
[08:32] <trav> soooo awesome
[08:32] <ooglebutte> well done :)
[08:32] <trav> KDE rocks my socks
[08:33] <trav> it's so damn pretty
[08:33] <ooglebutte> it does look good in blue :)
[08:33] <trav> indeed it does
[08:33] <trav> It's at least as sexy as leopard and you can't beat the price
[08:33] <ooglebutte> hehe
[08:35] <trav> hey I saw this thing on using Mac widgets on the compiz widget layer, anyone see that?
[08:35] <trav> or know how?
[08:38] <ooglebutte> trav: this says it should be available by now - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=752772
[08:39] <harolddong> there was a really nice red based color scheme in one of the early kde4 betas that was pretty close to the desert scheme in kde3 but I can't seem to find anything like it for kde4 now
[08:40] <ooglebutte> this suggests it isn't there yet - http://www.osnews.com/thread?304122
[08:41] <trav> hmm
[08:41] <trav> lame
[08:41] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[08:41] <trav> my widgets show up on the desktop but not in the compiz layer
[08:41] <trav> :(
[08:41] <contrast> trav: By widgets, you mean plasmoids?
[08:41] <trav> I dono
[08:42] <ooglebutte> kde4 does it's own compositing - compiz and the mac widgets are a diff issue
[08:42] <trav> I just want it to show me cool things when I push f9 like on a Mac :)
[08:42] <trav> whether it's compiz or built in KDE I dun care
[08:42] <contrast> trav: Plasmoids (the default widgets in KDE 4) don't identify as their own windows, but rather as part of the desktop window, so you can't really use them with Compiz's widget layer plug-in.
[08:43] <trav> ahh
[08:43] <contrast> Anyone successfully using the HDMI output on an ATI card? I'm having sound issues.
[08:43] <trav> so I have to hook it up to another widget framework or whatever
[08:43] <trav> ?
[08:44] <contrast> trav: Right, or just use Show Desktop (which is what I'm doing). ;)
[08:45] <trav> not an option :)
[08:45] <contrast> trav: Check out Screenlets (sudo apt-get install screenlets)
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:46] <oscar> wenas atodo
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> arent screenlets gnome?
[08:46] <ooglebutte> trav: ttp://swik.net/widgets+Kubuntu
[08:46] <ooglebutte> trav: http://swik.net/widgets+Kubuntu - even
[08:46] <contrast> ActionParsnip: It has a few gnome dependencies.
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> surely widgets would use the existing kde libs?
[08:47] <contrast> I'm of the belief that anyone who wants to keep their system "pure" of dependencies from whichever DE they're not using is severely limiting their experience
[08:47] <contrast> ActionParsnip: ?
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> contrast: ive found it brings more stability
[08:48] <trav> contrast: don't you take a big performance hit if you use libraries from another window manager?
[08:49] <contrast> trav: On a low-end system, maybe. I'm running Cairo-Dock, Screenlets and Compiz on KDE 3.5 on a P4 2.6GHz/1GB RAM system with no noticeable slowdown.
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> trav: no. in my experience if i start running gnome apps they get twitchy under kde
[08:50] <trav> ahh
[08:50] <trav> I like the KDE apps
[08:50] <trav> so far I've no need for any gnome stuff
[08:50]  * contrast is running Cairo-Dock, Compiz and Gnome's package management system on KDE w/ no issues (I don't care for Adept).
[08:51]  * ActionParsnip uses kde + fluxbox / compiz (depending on which way the wind blows) and apt-get
[08:52] <trav> so cairo dock is where it's at eh>?
[08:52] <contrast> Cairo-Dock pwns all competition :D
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> yakuake is definately where its at
[08:52] <contrast> ActionParsnip: Apples and steak
[08:53] <contrast> Can anyone tell me why Dragon Player is the only thing giving me audio output on an HDMI output? I've set the HDMI device as the preferred device for all Audio Outputs in System Settings -> Sound
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> !info yakuake
[08:53] <hateball> Is it possible to install/upgrade to 8.10 without having KDE4 replacing 3.5?
[08:53] <contrast> I use Cairo-Dock and Yakuake
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> contrast: you can launch apps from yakuake, no need for dock :)
[08:54] <jussi01> hateball: no
[08:55] <hateball> jussi01❅ that's... annoying :|
[08:55] <contrast> Pressing F12 -> Typing the program name (even with tab-completion) usually takes longer than clicking an icon (plus Yakuake can't act as a taskbar)
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> hateball: you can compile it yourself if you get the kde3.5 source
[08:55] <jussi01> hateball: 3.5 is no longer in kubuntu
[08:55] <hateball> ActionParsnip❅ Yeah I know, still goes in the annoying department :p
[08:56] <hateball> jussi01❅ Any idea when KDE4 will have a kiosktool?
[08:56] <contrast> there's a ppa repo for kde 3 in intrepid, completely unsupported though
[08:56] <jussi01> hateball: no idea
[08:56] <hateball> Ack... 8.04 it is for a while more then
[08:56] <jussi01> contrast: and I wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole
[08:57] <contrast> has anyone here touched it with a 10' pole?
[08:57] <hateball> Actually, all I need is a PPA for OOo3 in Hardy, and it would last me a good long while
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> i've only a 6' pole
[08:57] <jussi01> contrast: I havent, but from what Ive heard...
[08:57] <contrast> it no worky?
[08:58] <jussi01> contrast: it breaky breaky, (second hand info)
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> hateball: just install via the debs in the traball on the OOo site
[08:58] <contrast> i figured as much
[08:59] <hateball> ActionParsnip❅ They dont come with libwps support afaik?
[08:59] <hateball> And other stuff
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> wps...isnt that dead and buried yet?
[09:03] <hateball> ActionParsnip❅ I have to support teachers and such
[09:03] <hateball> So no
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> wowser
[09:03] <hateball> They use the most... stupid stuff
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> have em use RTF, simple :)
[09:03] <hateball> The key is "have em"
[09:03] <hateball> which is _unpossible_
[09:03] <hateball> ah well ;d
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> get a bigger stick
[09:03] <hateball> !
[09:04]  * hateball heads off to !ot to moan
[09:07] <contrast> am i the only one who's found Kubuntu Intrepid to be the most problematic Linux distro they've tried yet?
[09:07] <aftertaf> contrast: in what way? with K4 ?
[09:08] <contrast> pretty much, yeah
[09:08] <aftertaf> contrast: it works good enuff for me.
[09:08] <aftertaf> i feel i'm on a 'feature diet', but apart from that. . . . i like it.
[09:08] <aftertaf> u having specific problems with something?
[09:09] <contrast> same here, mostly. but i'm used to kubuntu exceeding the "good enough" bar by leaps and bounds
[09:09] <jussi01> !ot
[09:09] <aftertaf> this is related to support :)
[09:11] <aftertaf> its because kde 4 is still in the building phase...... but its good they decided to go with it instead of keeping only kde 3.5... 4.1 is way improved from 4.0 released with hardy, imho.
[09:11] <contrast> aftertaf: agreed
[09:12] <aftertaf> you can have a 2nd session login with kde 4.2 beta.... see how its improving still, without 4.1 breakage :)
[09:12] <contrast> i'm looking forward to jaunty more than i have any previous release though
[09:12] <contrast> aftertaf: o_O
[09:12] <contrast> via compiling?
[09:12]  * aftertaf is on 4.2 beta now, via debs :)
[09:12] <contrast> ppa?
[09:12] <aftertaf> project-neon repository, kde nightlys, yes, ppa
[09:12] <contrast> could you point me to a how-to on that?
[09:13] <aftertaf> google project neon, add the repositories, choose kde nightly packages and log in to kde (neon) session :)
[09:13] <aftertaf> :))))
[09:14] <contrast> cool, thanks
[09:14] <aftertaf> i have one bug i found.... the kickoff apps menu is empty. Ive reported it in bugs.kde.org and in neon irc channel....
[09:15] <aftertaf> but alt+F2 means i run what i need...
[09:15] <jussi01> !neon
[09:16] <shad0w0fsin> hey everyone, I've been using default ubuntu with gnome but I decided to try out KDE, so I installed kubuntu-desktop, my problem is with compiz: it works however compiz settings manager doesn't work (any changes I make aren't applied). Anyone know how to fix this?
[09:17] <shad0w0fsin> oh and also, does anyone know how to get focus follows mouse working on KDE?
[09:17] <aftertaf> nice one jussi01 , these bots know everything
[09:17] <jussi01> aftertaf: it helps that Iown the bot ;)
[09:17] <aftertaf> shad0w0fsin: which version of ubuntu you on? hardy, intrepid? kde 3 or kde 4 ?
[09:17] <shad0w0fsin> intrepid, kde 4
[09:18] <aftertaf> shad0w0fsin: ok.. if you run ccsm in konsole, do you have any output? are you able to set configuration? set, in the sense it accepts.... but doesnt apply once closed?
[09:18] <shad0w0fsin> yeah it accepts but doesn't apply
[09:19] <aftertaf> shad0w0fsin: run it in konsole and see if any messages... Weird, it works 4 me with no gnomage in the background....
[09:19]  * aftertaf is pure kde
[09:20] <shad0w0fsin> aftertaf: I don't see any output at all in konsole while using ccsm
[09:20] <aftertaf> ok. :(
[09:21] <aftertaf> just checked, i dont have kubuntu-desktop installed either...
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> aftertaf: that will just install a host of standard kde apps, its a metapackage
[09:21] <jussi01> shad0w0fsin: any reason why you really want compiz and not kde4's desktop effects?
[09:21] <aftertaf> cube :)
[09:22] <aftertaf> i can no longer live without it ;)
[09:22] <shad0w0fsin> jussi01: same as aftertaf :D
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> just use a hotkey to switch desktops ;)
[09:22] <aftertaf> ActionParsnip: yeah i know, but some dependancy could be the cause of something not clean . . . .
[09:22] <shad0w0fsin> but I haven't really tried kde4's desktop effects, I'll have a look at it
[09:22] <goetz> Is possible to upgrade to the Kde 4.2 Beta with intrepid?
[09:23] <aftertaf> yep goetz
[09:23] <aftertaf> !neon
[09:23] <devin> yo sup people
[09:23] <chakie_work> is the "systemsettings" package supposed to bring something that does something? i get an empty gray window with nothing in it. or is there some other packages that are needed for the normal settings setuff (colors, themes, fonts etc)
[09:23] <chakie_work> on intrepid
[09:24] <devin> this is diferent
[09:24] <aftertaf> chakie_work: its 'supposed' to have system settings in it ;)....
[09:24] <chakie_work> or it's not fully empty, it has a disabled "Overview" button and a search lineedit
[09:24] <contrast> chakie_work: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:24] <chakie_work> contrast: could be i lack that one
[09:25] <goetz> thanks aftertaf
[09:25] <chakie_work> contrast: indeed, that was it. thank you!
[09:25] <contrast> chakie_work: systemsettings is just a container for the different kde control modules
[09:25] <aftertaf> chakie_work: possible.... itll bring in all kde goodness
[09:25] <contrast> np
[09:25] <chakie_work> for me it didn't drag in anything else, i had it all already
[09:26] <contrast> -_~
[09:26] <chakie_work> apart from a xine backend to phonon, but it  can't be relevant here :)
[09:26] <aftertaf> its part of a greater picture.
[09:26] <aftertaf> but you're missing some pieaces it seems...
[09:27] <devin> this is different to me hha i have no idea what the fuck im doing on here haha
[09:27] <chakie_work> aftertaf: well, kubuntu-desktop made system-settings work
[09:27] <aftertaf> :)
[09:27] <chakie_work> and now i have keyboard shortcuts for desktop navigation
[09:27] <chakie_work> whohoo!
[09:28] <aftertaf> yeahhhh
[09:28] <aftertaf> +1
[09:28] <chakie_work> it's amazing how such small things can be annoying
[09:28] <chakie_work> i'm so used to ctrl+arrow to navigate
[09:28]  * aftertaf is still  bit confused which packages are for 3.5 and others for 4.x, dspite the versioning numbers
[09:28] <chakie_work> and i have loads of virtual desktops
[09:29] <chakie_work> i nuked all my 3.5 packages. well, except Konversation
[09:29] <aftertaf> chakie_work: me 2 :) just about
[09:31] <chakie_work> ah, system settings didn't like me clicking "Display". ok, won't do that again
[09:31] <contrast> anyone else here using qtcurve? my Style resets to oxygen on every log-in, and sometimes mid-session as well. :-\
[09:31] <aftertaf> i only have, in official kde packages, kdelibs4c2a & kdelibs-data 4:3.5 something
[09:32] <aftertaf> contrast: nope: thats K3 only, no?
[09:34] <stiago13> support for wubi too?
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> ewwww, wubi is horrible
[09:36] <stiago13> well
[09:36] <stiago13> have never used linux yet
[09:36] <stiago13> im under windows
[09:36] <stiago13> what do u recommend
[09:36] <stiago13> i dun wanna reformat
[09:37] <aftertaf> stiago13: you can dualboot.
[09:37] <stiago13> create partitions or wtv
[09:37] <jussi01> resize your partitins
[09:37] <stiago13> not too keen on that
[09:37] <stiago13> i just wanna test it first
[09:37] <jussi01> just make sure you defrag about 3 times before doing anything
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> stiago13: run off live cd or dual boot
[09:37] <jussi01> stiago13: use the live cd for testing
[09:37] <stiago13> what abt microsoft virtual pc
[09:38] <stiago13> does it run just the same
[09:38] <jussi01> stiago13: try it in vmware or virtualbox
[09:38] <aftertaf> stiago13: live cd is best.... doesnt touch anything. Its meant for the purpose you want.
[09:38] <stiago13> what do you mean with livecd
[09:38] <stiago13> burn the iso file into a dvd
[09:38] <aftertaf> better preview of hardware management etc, than a virtialisation
[09:38] <stiago13> and boot from it?
[09:39] <aftertaf> yep
[09:39] <stiago13> ok then
[09:39] <stiago13> i will try that then
[09:39] <stiago13> thanks
[09:39] <stiago13> how does it work though
[09:39] <stiago13> does it install it on the hardrive
[09:39] <aftertaf> you'll have konversation on it and will be able to come here, from live cd install ;)
[09:39] <stiago13> or fully run from the dvd
[09:39] <aftertaf> no. into ram
[09:39] <aftertaf> cd, not dvd
[09:39] <stiago13> cant burn it into a dvd
[09:39] <stiago13> i got no cds here
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> stiago13: livecd runs in ram only
[09:40] <stiago13> so is it ok to burn it into a dvd?
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> or you could buy a 1 / 2Gb memory stick and install to that
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> stiago13: theres a dvd iso
[09:40] <stiago13> oh ok
[09:40] <stiago13> thank you
[09:40] <aftertaf> ahh, sorry my bad dvd/cd.... :)
[09:41] <aftertaf> ActionParsnip: it works now to usb stick?
[09:41] <stiago13> so i can burn it to dvd no prob?
[09:41] <aftertaf> stiago13: yep
[09:41] <aftertaf> if u have dvd iso....
[09:42] <stiago13> so im at this page
[09:42] <stiago13> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[09:42] <stiago13> what should i download
[09:42] <stiago13> the iso file is not for dvd
[09:43] <stiago13> so i gotta download from the bittorent option
[09:43] <stiago13> ?
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> !usb
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> aftertaf: yes you can, as long as your pc can boot from usb
[09:44] <aftertaf> ActionParsnip: cool. i tried b4 and no luck.
[09:44]  * cuznt gives his usb a boot alright
[09:44] <aftertaf> i had 2 HDDs with a raid and it got confuzed
[09:44] <aftertaf> stiago13: yep, bittorrent for dvd.
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> aftertaf: the last link in the factoid is what you wanna follow, there are tonnes of guides out there
[09:44] <aftertaf> stiago13: you have 64bit or 32 bit PC?
[09:45] <stiago13> 32 bit
[09:45] <stiago13> so it should be the i386 ya
[09:45] <aftertaf> stiago13: yep desktop dvd
[09:45] <aftertaf> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/intrepid/desktop/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[09:45] <aftertaf> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/dvd/kubuntu-8.10-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[09:45] <aftertaf> better stil !!!!! :)
[09:45] <stiago13> ya i was gonna confirm it right now
[09:46] <stiago13> :P
[09:46] <aftertaf> i need to wake up b4 logging on . . . .
[09:46] <stiago13> thank you all
[09:46] <aftertaf> good luck.
[09:46] <aftertaf> and stay with it, come back whenever u need help.....
[09:46] <aftertaf> ok?
[09:46] <stiago13> suyre
[09:46] <aftertaf> ActionParsnip: ill check that out :)
[09:46] <stiago13> thanks a lot you all
[09:46] <stiago13> im off
[09:46] <stiago13> see you later
[09:46] <okto> hi..okluar can't open .chm although i already install okular-extra-backends
[09:47] <okto> any help?
[09:47] <okto> sorry it's okular
[09:47] <smellynoser> Hi, I have just upgraded to Ibex and everything seems very slow. If I click to activate a window, it will take a second to show up. 'top' doesn't say anything is hogging so I think it may be my graphics card. Has anybody experienced this before?
[09:48] <aftertaf> smellynoser: u on nvidia?
[09:48] <okto> the file open fine with kchmviewer though
[09:48] <aftertaf> smellynoser: which version of kde 4 ?
[09:48] <smellynoser> aftertaf: Intel, and Kde4
[09:48] <smellynoser> It is still slow when all effects are disabled
[09:49] <holycow> guys, is there still a kde4.x repo out there that installs kde4.x.latests alongside the current 4.1 install?
[09:49] <holycow> for intrepid
[09:50] <aftertaf> !neon
[09:50] <aftertaf> holycow: neon :)
[09:51] <aftertaf> smellynoser: which version of kde4 ?
[09:51] <aftertaf> 4.1.1 / .2 / .3 ?
[09:51] <holycow> aha ... but from what i read that replaces your current install, doesn't set it up alongside  like the hardy repo that was out there
[09:52] <aftertaf> holycow: nah... 2 separate logins. and i tested, 4.1 still works separately :)
[09:52] <holycow> oh sweet
[09:52] <holycow> thx
[09:52] <aftertaf> yeah
[09:52] <aftertaf> it IS sweet, to :)
[09:52] <aftertaf> oo
[09:53] <okto> hi..is there a fix to get okular open *chm files?
[09:54] <aftertaf> no idea . . . . :(
[09:54] <aftertaf> for kde 4.2, there is a bug: empty applications kicker menu
[09:56] <aftertaf> and a very easy fix :)
[09:57] <aftertaf>  1 ) cp /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[09:57] <aftertaf> 2) run kbuildsycoca4
[09:57] <aftertaf> jussi01could u add that to the bot maybe?
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> is 4.2 actually usable?
[09:58] <aftertaf> yeah
[09:58] <aftertaf> totally
[09:58] <aftertaf> im on it and the one pb i found was that . . . .
[09:58] <aftertaf> and theres a fix :)
[09:59] <aftertaf> its slick sweet and gorgeous
[09:59] <aftertaf> and if it breaks i stil have 4.1.3
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> hmm might give it  go if i get bored
[10:00] <aftertaf> i find it a real improvement on 4.1... theyve gone forward leaps and bounds..... in the little details.
[10:00] <aftertaf> i have hideable task bars :)
[10:00] <aftertaf> and plasma much more stable
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> i dont run it much
[10:01] <aftertaf> plasma?
[10:02] <aftertaf> you can choose to not run it?
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> aftertaf: killall plasma
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> aftertaf: yakuake still runs :)
[10:03] <aftertaf> looool
[10:03] <aftertaf> wheres the snow compiz setting? i cant find it
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> then its under effects
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> default shortcut is super+f3
[10:05] <aftertaf> unsupported...... that is SO unlike me to not have that installed already, just by the name :)
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> it works great, just not supported
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> tbh though. I dont mind unsupported as most times on here I support a lot
[10:07] <aftertaf> yeah
[10:07] <aftertaf> its snowing :)
[10:07] <aftertaf> but not on top of windows..... :/
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> yeah you can set it to snow onotop in ccsm
[10:08] <smellynoser> aftertaf: 4.1.2 apparently
[10:08] <aftertaf> smellynoser: ok. install 4.1.3
[10:09] <aftertaf> just set opacity to 75%, so its snowing behind bu i can see it.
[10:09] <aftertaf> how pointlessly fun
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> snow takes an extra 2% cpu on my AMD 3000 SocAM2
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Semperon
[10:11] <aftertaf> i go from 2% to 15% on my P4 2.4ghz
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> yikes
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> mines only a 1.6Ghz
[10:12] <aftertaf> lol
[10:12] <aftertaf> time to buy a new computer, if only for snow :)
[10:13] <aftertaf> smellynoser: its in the intrepid-proposed repository
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> well your cpu is a lot faster than mine but mine suck it up more.
[10:13] <aftertaf> yeah. nvidia 6800
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> 1gb DDR2 with onboard nvidia 6250 gfx
[10:13] <aftertaf> intel
[10:13] <aftertaf> suckage
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> amd64
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> but semperon
[10:14] <aftertaf> 64bit
[10:14] <aftertaf> makes all the difference :)
[10:14] <aftertaf> ok. got to leave, work soon :(
[10:14] <aftertaf> have fun with 4.2, and try it, its seriously good :)
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> will do, i got stuff on though
[10:15] <aftertaf> :)
[10:32] <aftertaf> damn fakeraid crap!!!!
[10:33] <aftertaf> i have trouble making a usb bootable with fakeraid support, for ghosting purposes. . . . .
[10:33] <aftertaf> and partimage dont support fakeraid disks either, so screwed totally
[10:33] <aftertaf> ok, im gone :)
[10:39] <Guest51312> daum
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> ?
[10:58] <chakie_work> !neon
[11:32] <renjith_>  is it possible by using resolver library routines to change the DNS IP address?
[11:32] <renjith_>  in  /etc/resolve.conf file?
[11:39] <charlie_lab> hi all ... i'm having trouble starting an X server after the 8.10 upgrade ... during the updagrade there were also several 'problem box''s , some of which mentioned nvidia ... would this be a problem just on my system, or a common one maybe ?
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:07] <practor> hi guys
[12:07] <practor> just upgraded to 8.10 and am getting kstartupconfig4 problem when starting kde.  any pointers?
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> practor: can you give the exact message please
[12:08] <practor> hang on
[12:09] <practor> could not start kstartupconfig4. check your installation.
[12:09] <practor> click on ok, and the x session terminates and i'm back at the command line
[12:10] <practor> i tried running kstartupconfig4 from there, and it complains of undefined symbols in libqtdbus.so.4
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> practor: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old
[12:11] <practor> yet, accdg to apt-get upgrade, all my packages are up to date
[12:11] <practor> tried that already, still no go
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> practor: then reboot
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> hmm
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> practor: do you have write access to ~/ ?
[12:13] <practor> yes, i'm trying to solve the prob as root
[12:13] <practor> to see if it was a perms issue
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> ahhh
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> i think you need a few more updated apps
[12:15] <practor> ok lemme give that a go
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> let me kno if it starts pulling down stuff
[12:15] <practor> it didn't
[12:15] <practor> it says everything is up to date
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> you could also try: cp ~/.kde4/share/config/startupconfigkeys ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfigkeys
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> does that command output an error?
[12:16] <practor> lemme see
[12:18] <practor> i don't have a .kde4 dir
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> ok cool
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> try this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3090266.0;wap2
[12:18] <practor> ok will do
[12:23] <squid0> hi. my dad's X is crashing after he enabled desktop effects. he can't log in to kde anymore. how can he disable desktop effects via a commandline, eg. editing a config file?
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> squid0: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=418138
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> squid0: simply: sudo apt-get remove --purge compiz-core desktop-effects
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> squid0: that removes them nicely :D
[12:29] <practor> hi again
[12:29] <practor> is there a switch for apt-get to install dependencies automagically?
[12:30] <practor> apt-get install kde4-core requires other packages
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> practor: it is default to pull tem down
[12:30] <practor> ok, weird then
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> you can sudo apt-get -y install kde4-core
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> -y = do whatever it takes to get it installed (can involve uninstall of other apps)
[12:31] <fede> hello can i ask u help for my kubuntu system?
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> ask away fede
[12:32] <fede> my integrated bluetooth doesn't work
[12:32] <fede> if i type hcitool dev
[12:32] <fede> devices: <nothing>
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> what bluetooth device is it?
[12:33] <squid0> ActionParsnip: my dad tried that, but it says that those packages weren't installed
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> is it set to connectable
[12:33] <fede> mmm it's integrated in my laptop
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> squid0: if he did it with gui he wouldnt see it instal stuff it just does it
[12:33] <fede> in the bios is enable
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> squid0: dpkg -l | grep effects | less
[12:34] <squid0> ActionParsnip: he did it on the command-line
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> fede: ok what are you trying to connect to?
[12:34] <Dr_Willis64> bluetooth has  had some issues in the latest release i hear..   but i did get it working for my Wii remote. ;)
[12:35] <squid0> ActionParsnip: what does that line do?
[12:35] <fede> ActionParsnip: mmm nothing because it doesnt work
[12:35] <fede> also in system settings/bluetooth i cant see it
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> squid0: querys the installed apps list and filters it with grep to show all lines containing the string 'effects' then throws it into less incase there are lots
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> fede: if you launch kbluetooth does it say the bluetooth adapter in the system is there/
[12:36] <squid0> ActionParsnip: ok...
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> squid0: you could even grep -i effects to make it case insensitive
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> squid0: if anything looks like an effect package, remove it
[12:37] <squid0> ActionParsnip: ok
[12:37] <fede> no, it work as i haven't a bluetooth
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> fede: i though you said your system had bluetooth built in?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> fede: is there a switch to turn the internal device off and on?
[12:38] <fede> exactly
[12:38]  * Dr_Willis64 is confused
[12:38] <fede> there aren't external switches
[12:38] <fede> only an option in the bios
[12:39] <fede> which is setted on enable
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> fede: ok well if lsusb and lspci show nothing then you dont have it
[12:40] <fede> fede@fede-laptop:~$ lsusb // Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 // Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 // Bus 001 Device 003: ID 062a:0000 Creative Labs Optical Mouse// Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 //
[12:40] <fede> is it readable?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> just
[12:40] <squid0> ActionParsnip: if we try to remove libkwineffects1, it says it will remove kwin too
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> squid0: yikes, no deal!
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> fede: ok its not usb, and you have a creative mouse
[12:41] <fede> lspci gives me a lot of text
[12:41] <squid0> is there no config file where I can simply disable compositing effects?
[12:41] <fede> if u want a specific line a can paste
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> fede: read it, if anything looks like bluetooth
[12:41] <fede> really the mouse is from kraun
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> squid0: not sure man, maybe someone else can help
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> squid0: you could switch to vesa driver which will not do effects
[12:42] <squid0> ActionParsnip: ok. can anyone help me please?
[12:43] <fede> 03:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[12:43] <fede> is the wlan ?
[12:43] <Dr_Willis64> that would be a wireless network card.. yes
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> fede: thats your wifi, not bluetooth
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> although i read they use similar frequencies, just shorter range
[12:44] <fede> there are a lot of lines about ATI
[12:44] <sigma20> any brave soul compiled 4.2 on their machine?
[12:44] <fede> but i don't see bt
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> fede: then you aint got it, or there is a switch someplace to turn it off and on
[12:44] <fede> but i'm sure to have it, becuase when i was a windows user i used it
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> fede: grab a bluetooth phone and try find your system
[12:45] <Dr_Willis64> im suprised that not all laptops have bluetooth built in now.. even desktops..
[12:45] <squid0> how can I disable compositing effects via the command line? there is no xorg.conf
[12:45] <Dr_Willis64> No xorg.conf or no item listed in xorg.conf? :)
[12:45] <fede> it doesnt find my system
[12:45] <squid0> Dr_Willis64: therer is xorg.conf, mistake
[12:46] <fede> just tried with my phone
[12:46] <Dr_Willis64> i recall some kde4 plasmid applet thet was a switch that turned it on/off  may be other ways also.
[12:46] <fede> DR : to me?
[12:46] <squid0> Dr_Willis64: yes, but my dad can't log in via gui cos his X settings are hosed
[12:46] <squid0> ie. since he enabled desktop effects
[12:47] <Dr_Willis64> squid0,  is he using compiz? or just the kde4 effects?
[12:47] <squid0> Dr_Willis64: I think just plain kde 4 effects
[12:47] <Dr_Willis64> squid0,  not sure of what file does that..
[12:50] <knusperfrosch> are there kdenlive-0.7 binary packages for intrepid
[12:52] <Dr_Willis64> !info  kdenlive
[12:52] <Dr_Willis64> perhaps in PPA or Backports
[12:54] <practor> hello again
[12:54] <practor> managed to install kde4-core
[12:54] <practor> but the problem persists
[13:00] <asdzxc> hi
[13:00] <asdzxc> how can i upgrade 8.04 to 8.10 ?
[13:02] <Captain_Haddock> Hi!
[13:03] <Captain_Haddock> I booted my system just now and found that my mouse isn't working ... the pointer is visible, but unresponsive
[13:03] <Captain_Haddock> can I redetect it without having the reboot the system or KDE?
[13:03] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: just don't ;)
[13:03] <Captain_Haddock> modprobe or something perhaps?
[13:05] <asdzxc> knusperfrosch why ?
[13:05] <knusperfrosch> Captain_Haddock: first have a look at your Xorg.0.log
[13:05] <knusperfrosch> Captain_Haddock: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:06] <Captain_Haddock> knusperfrosch: I'm pretty sure that this happened because I've got a KVM here and switched windows during boot
[13:06] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: 'cause regret the update:
[13:06] <Captain_Haddock> any way I can force X to redetect?
[13:06] <yacc_> eeckk, distribution upgrade does remove the existing kernels, ...
[13:07] <yacc_> *shudder*
[13:07] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: kde-pim sucks, so do the driver for intel-graphics
[13:07] <asdzxc> knusperfrosch i'm not using kde-pim and i have ATI
[13:08] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: that's the only reason for a upgrade: drivers that arent't working in 8.04
[13:09] <asdzxc> knusperfrosch there's no new features ?
[13:10] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: kde4, got plenty of bugs and rough edges ;)
[13:10] <asdzxc> i don't want to use kde4 anyway
[13:10] <knusperfrosch> and knetworkmanager-0.7 is a piece of crap compared to 0.2 from 8.04
[13:10] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: so stay with 8.04
[13:11] <asdzxc> ok then.. i have one problem
[13:11] <asdzxc> i just upgraded from 7.xx to 8.04
[13:11] <asdzxc> and when i was changing sound level on my notebook on 7.x
[13:12] <asdzxc> it was showing an graphical element (sorry, don't know how to name it) on the screen
[13:12] <asdzxc> but now it's gone
[13:12] <asdzxc> do you know what i mean ?
[13:13] <knusperfrosch> kmilo
[13:13] <asdzxc> dpjg said it's installed
[13:13] <asdzxc> dpkg
[13:14] <asdzxc> so it's 'just' broken
[13:14] <Captain_Haddock> knusperfrosch: the xorg log first states that a pointer device hasn't been found and then has an entry stating that a Macintosh mouse is being used and loads the driver
[13:14] <asdzxc> do you have any ideas what could be wrong ?
[13:15] <Captain_Haddock> then it seems to add an ImPS/2 wheel mouse which might also be the same as a Macintosh mouse.. not sure
[13:16] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kmilo
[13:16] <asdzxc> it prints nothing and still not working
[13:18] <Captain_Haddock> !mouse
[13:19] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: hmm try deleting ~/.kde/share/config/kmilodrc and restart KDE/X
[13:21] <asdzxc> ok, wait a sec
[13:27] <asdzxc> knusperfrosch didn't help
[13:27] <asdzxc> knusperfrosch but kmilodrc was recreated
[13:29] <Guest9593> can anyone recomend any decent websites to get used to using IRc
[13:29] <Guest9593> its cool
[13:31] <z-yj> www.baidu.com
[13:36] <martin_> hello
[13:37] <fritzisonline> hi everybody
[13:39] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: sry no idea then
[13:41] <fritzisonline> handled! :)
[13:41] <fritzisonline> bye all
[13:48] <Shaan7> jhutchins: hey, i had asked for your help on my network card on kubuntu. as you said, i downloaded and installed the drivers from intel's website
[13:48] <Shaan7> jhutchins: and then configured using shell commands, it worked fine
[13:48] <Shaan7> jhutchins: thanks
[13:50] <asdzxc> knusperfrosch and do you know why icon for Firefox dissappeared from quick luncher ?
[13:50] <asdzxc> knusperfrosch there's only some kind of default icon now
[13:51] <|ikeNoOther> hi
[13:51] <|ikeNoOther> how do I restart the panels? :s
[14:02] <knusperfrosch> asdzxc: which quick launcher? katapult?
[14:08] <don> I jI
[14:09] <don> I installed Kubuntu Fiesty last night.  My wireless card in my laptop keeps losing connection and I have o restart to get it to come back on
[14:09] <don> even the little bars show I'm still connected though I'm not
[14:10] <don> I have the broadcom 8187 chip I believe in my wireless card if that helps?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> !eol
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> and fiesty has reached its end of life
[14:14]  * JontheEchidna would recommend a newer version of Kubuntu
[14:14] <User41950987> Hello, can someone help me with my fstab please. my drives are not mounting for some reason.
[14:23] <hw__> Is it possible that "Konsole" saves currently open sessions including path and session names?
[14:26] <SkEmO> is there a screen recorder application for kubuntu?
[14:26] <Tm_T> SkEmO: KDE4 ?
[14:27] <SkEmO> KDE3
[14:27] <Tm_T> !recording
[14:27] <bazhang> !screencast
[14:27] <isildur> !it
[14:29] <Tm_T> bazhang: ah, thanks son
[14:43] <faileas> thats interesting
[14:43] <faileas> okular handles CBRs
[15:00] <sfears> sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/cam = special device /dev/sdb does not exist, trying to access my digital camera & internal sd card reader
[15:11] <yacine> hello
[15:11] <yacine> hello everyone
[15:16] <xiii> Could anyone help me with setting up Grub. I have Kubuntu installed on my primary drive and XP on an external drive. Is it possible to add xp to the grub boot menu?
[15:16] <bazhang> !grub
[15:17] <xuzas> buennas
[15:17] <xuzas> cual era el canal para ESPAÑOLES?
[15:17] <xuzas> xD
[15:17] <Tm_T> !es | xuzas
[15:17] <xuzas> gracias :D
[15:21] <e-head> hey
[15:21] <e-head> The quotes in my manpages look weird.
[15:22] <e-head> Instead of "server's" I get "server*&s", where *& is actually some non-english characters.
[15:23] <e-head> Any idea what's causing this?  I'm assuming it has something to do with the /etc/defaults/console-setup file.
[15:40] <yacc> I just upgraded to 8.10, and now cups complains that there is no rastertospl2 on the system, and no packages seems to provide it?
[15:46] <loganWHD> morining
[15:46] <loganWHD> well i went to 8.04 last night
[15:46] <loganWHD> a beautiful thing my friends
[15:46] <loganWHD> i ditched 8.10 like a bad virus
[15:46] <loganWHD> 8.04 works perfect... everything works
[15:46] <genii> loganWHD: Good
[15:46] <loganWHD> anyhow i got a couple questions
[15:47] <loganWHD> i made a backup of my root folders so my config files etc would be saved
[15:47] <loganWHD> i am using stunnel for some ssl mail
[15:48] <loganWHD> when i type in stunnel i get this error: "wrong permissions on stunnel.pem"
[15:48] <neo_> hello at all
[15:48] <loganWHD> ever see that?
[15:48] <genii> yacc: There is an older bug report which indicates there is no "rastertospl2" package but that CUPS wants it for some reason after trying to install a printer. Apparently deleting and reinstall printer fixes this. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/274829
[15:48] <neo_> may anybody be ale to assist me little bit - i stuck in installing opera ...
[15:49] <neo_> <<first time kubuntu user
[15:49] <genii> loganWHD: The .pem is your certificate. Should likely have perms like 644 or such
[15:49] <loganWHD> thanks
[15:49] <neo_> or maybe someone knows commandline to join a help-channel or sometin
[15:51] <neo_> please ... i installed the last "dunno" hours ...
[15:52] <genii> neo_: Perhaps in Konsole, attempt:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install opera
[15:52] <genii> neo_: To put your regular password when prompted
[15:53] <neo_> did that - moment please
[15:54] <stdin> !opera
[15:54] <stdin> ^ opera install guide
[15:54] <genii> stdin: Ah, nice.
[15:56] <genii> neo_: stdin has directed the bot to give you some information on opera, above
[15:56] <neo_> ok that makes me read some - :) thanks vm
[15:56] <neo_> !!
[15:57] <stdin> it's in canonical's "partner" repo
[15:57]  * genii puts on another pot of coffee
[15:57] <genii> Yes, I just saw that now from a result on my box from apt-cache policy
[16:01] <mh_> Hi, is there no /etc/inittab in Ubuntu?
[16:01] <stdin> mh_: no, we use upstart
[16:01] <stdin> !upstart
[16:04] <neo_> ok before enteringn the help.ubuntu/commuity/operab website - where to check the "dapper" "show comercial applications"
[16:04] <neo_> ?
[16:05] <stdin> neo_: are you running dapper?
[16:05] <stdin> !version
[16:07] <chakie> !neon
[16:08] <chakie> hm, the sources listed for amarok are for hardy
[16:08] <chakie> would those work for intrepid as well?
[16:09] <vatusaixx> hola
[16:09] <neo_> its Ubuntu 8.10
[16:09] <stdin> chakie: change "hardy" to "intrepid"
[16:10] <chakie> could it be that easy?
[16:10] <vatusaixx> hola
[16:10] <Draha> ciao
[16:11] <chakie> apparently :)
[16:11] <neo_> opera-9.62.gcc4-shared-qt3.i386.rpm that packet id like to install - i dont know the console types to do so ...
[16:12] <vatusaixx> hola alguien que hable español por aca
[16:12] <genii> !es | vatusaixx
[16:12] <stdin> neo_: just follow the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[16:12] <stdin> neo_: don't use the .rpm
[16:13] <genii> vatusaixx: /j #ubuntu-es     or   /j #kubuntu-es
[16:13] <neo_> ok may be  good idea (easiest) .. then thanks at all again
[16:23] <scopecreep> if im running xubuntu, do i just need to install the kubuntu package to try kde?
[16:24] <scopecreep> kubuntu-desktop i mean
[16:24] <genii> scopecreep: kubuntu-desktop           yes
[16:25] <yacine> i got a problem, i can't open website via ppp, but when i ping a site with the name or ip address, it works, can anyone tell me what is the problem
[16:25] <scopecreep> and how do i change X to use kde?
[16:26] <genii> scopecreep: Just choose kde as the session type when loggin in
[16:26] <yacine> and i work under kubuntu
[16:26] <genii> yacine: Did you manually configure your connection or so? eg: static IP or such
[16:27] <genii> yacine: Sounds like nameserver can't be found
[16:28] <yacine> no, i use script to create ppp connection, and i configure nothing but dns address
[16:28] <yacine> i think i did configure this using : nameserver 208.67.222.222 for example
[16:29] <genii> yacine: Hmm. That looks like an OpenDNS dns server IP
[16:29] <genii> Actually it is
[16:29] <yacine> yes, exactly
[16:29] <yacine> so is that a problem?
[16:30] <genii> yacine: And when you look at contents of /etc/resolv.conf       it has in there that line or not?
[16:30] <yacine> yes, i wrote this line in it
[16:31] <genii> yacine: The ppp connection is a modem which is brought up after the ethernet adapter?
[16:31] <yacine> and i also configure the resolv.conf file in /etc/ppp
[16:32] <yacine> yes, i think so, but after that i disable the eth0 interface
[16:32] <yacine> just left lo and ppp0
[16:35] <yacine> that's why i am confusing, i've almost tried everything
[16:36] <yacine> what's strange, i can download the web site by command, wget, it seems to work well
[16:37] <yacine> if i can download the site i think no problem with opening firefox, but ...
[16:40] <ubuntoil> Hi, I would like to write so php and obviously I can't test it if I don't have a server. Can I install some sort of local server..?
[16:40] <bazhang> !lamp
[16:41] <genii> yacine: There is a value which can be set which is something like "replacedefaultroute". If you are starting the modem from a commandline like: pppd call <ispname>    use this as an option. It replaces the eth0 device as the standard place if that has been configured already
[16:41] <genii> Aplogies on lag, work required me here for a time
[16:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[16:42]  * genii hands BluesKaj a coffee
[16:43] <yacine> ok,genii, i will try, by the way where is this option, in the 'options' file for ppp? or somewhere else
[16:43] <genii> yacine: I think if you are manually inserting it to the ppp system, the wvdial or the options one.
[16:44]  * BluesKaj accepts graciously  , thx genii  :)
[16:44] <genii> yacine: It's been a while since I debugged dial-up modem issue ... :)
[16:44] <genii> BluesKaj: Anytime :)
[16:45] <ubuntoil> bazhang: thx
[16:45] <BluesKaj> I noticed the PPA's have a lot of upgrades for various apps , must be getting ready for kde4.2 soon
[16:46] <detrate> anyone know how to burn an audio CD from the cmd line?
[16:47] <detrate> actually, I think I'll just burn it over the network
[16:47] <BluesKaj> detrate, try an app called cdrecord
[16:48] <detrate> If brasero keeps crashing, who knows what else could go wrong :-P
[16:48] <astromme> you could use ssh -X to forward the gui
[16:49] <yacine> yes, i have to log off too in order to test the ppp connection
[16:49] <wesley_> doesnt kubuntu release kde4.2 beta packages?
[16:49] <setuid_w00t> I am having problems with my keyboard shortcuts for kwin.  When I press Alt+Tab, it brings up the minimized view (compiz?) of the previous window, but then I am unable to switch to any other windows by pressing Tab again while holding Alt.
[16:51] <yacine> it seems to be no 'replacedefaultroute' option in 'options' file for ppp
[16:54] <yacine> but i have put 'defaultroute' in it
[17:02] <genii> yacine: If the option does not exist, create it
[17:05] <ThomasD> where do I place scipts to be executed before suspend?
[17:05] <yacine> can we?
[17:09] <ThomasD> yacine: talkin to me?
[17:09] <genii> yacine: Yes, just put on last line of options:   replacedefaultroute
[17:09] <ThomasD> n/m
[17:09] <gimpgnu> kde4 working very slow
[17:11] <yacine> yes, genii,  i retried it, i put this at the end of file, but when i run it, it told me can't recognize this option
[17:12] <genii> yacine: OK. Perhaps it has been deprecated
[17:13] <genii> yacine: defaultroute     seems to be the flag which it sets.
[17:14] <joe_> i have a problem and i was woundering if someone can help me out
[17:14] <joe_> i am trying to deleat a folder but it tell's me this
[17:14] <joe_> Unable to enter file:///home/joe/Desktop/StepMania-3.9. You do not have access rights to this location.
[17:14] <genii> yacine: Can you ping some known IP on internet at large? Like for instance the OpenDNS ip given earlier
[17:15] <genii> joe_: Likely you un-tarred a file in your home dir which contents had a different username, like root or so
[17:15] <joe_> ok how can i be able to access the folder than???
[17:16] <genii> joe_: If you just want to unconditionally remove it:    sudo rm -rf /home/joe/Desktop/StepMania-3.9                    If you want to own it:  sudo chown -rh joe:joe /home/joe/Desktop/StepMania-3.9
[17:17] <joe_> thnx
[17:17] <joe_> i'll try both
[17:18] <joe_> i did remove it, thnx
[17:18] <joe_> ^_^
[17:18] <yacine> hi genii; i tried these ones: 212.83.156.81; 62.210.64.50; they work
[17:18] <yacine> and i tested for www.google.fr; www.yahoo.com, they work too except www.hotmail.com
[17:21] <genii> yacine: OK.So currently then it looks like the OpenDNS knows some domains but possibly not www.hotmail.com for instance
[17:22] <yacine> yes, i agree, but hotmail is something exception i think
[17:24] <genii> yacine: You can resort to using some core dns servers, there is a bit of a list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_nameserver
[17:30] <vasil__> x
[17:31] <yacine> genii, 5 out of 14 can't work in the list
[17:36] <genii> yacine: These being core machines of the internet, some will be set to ignore requests unless from a trusted host
[17:37] <piquadrat> Hi! Do you guys plan to release KDE 4.2 Beta1 packages sometimes in the next couple of weeks?
[17:37] <Tm_T> piquadrat: "any moment, aka when ready"
[17:38] <genii> yacine: Whay are you not just using libertysurf dns? As they are shown here: http://www.robtex.com/dns/libertysurf.net.html
[17:38] <Tm_T> or opendns
[17:38] <Tm_T> .fi (:)
[17:39] <genii> Tm_T: Strangely when OpenDNS ip is used for nameserver, it can't resolve www.hotmail.com
[17:40] <Tm_T> genii: opendns.com or opendns.di ?
[17:40] <Tm_T> di
[17:40] <Tm_T> GAAAH, fi =)
[17:41] <DaSkreech> genii: hotmail isn't open
[17:41] <genii> Tm_T: OpenDNS.com ... 208.67.222.222
[17:41] <Tm_T> genii: ah, that is totally different thing
[17:41] <Tm_T> I believe
[17:42] <genii> DaSkreech: You'd think some servers on the internet at large would know how to resolve it however
[17:43] <piquadrat> Tm_T: cool, thanks!
[17:49] <yacine> i tried, can't work
[17:49] <yacine> but tks a lot, i have to go
[17:49] <yacine> maybe i talk to u tomorrow
[17:50] <yacine> bay
[17:50] <yacine> bye
[17:55] <thomas__> hi ich ein pc  er geht nicht ich vollte windows setup machen weill gespielet habe
[17:56] <thomas__> was kann ich tut
[17:56] <faileas> !de
[18:16] <lorenzo> hello
[18:16] <PiTrAcOn> anynews about kubuntu sabotaging KDE?????????
[18:17] <kasdaye> So, at the risk of being stupid is there a way in Dolphin to change the icon of a folder and/or file?
[18:17]  * kasdaye knows how in Konqueror, but Dolphin is new and unusual
[18:17] <DaSkreech> PiTrAcOn: Hmm?
[18:17] <DaSkreech> kasdaye: Right click -> properties ?
[18:18] <PiTrAcOn> there are broken packages and hitches
[18:18] <PiTrAcOn> may be someone can shed some light about that
[18:18] <DaSkreech> PiTrAcOn: I don't know how that translates to news of a sabotage
[18:19]  * kasdaye glares at Properties, 'you have betrayed me!'
[18:19] <quakeglen> does anyone know how to open new files in the same kate window?
[18:19] <kasdaye> Thanks DaSkreech
[18:19] <quakeglen> using kde4?
[18:21] <KiDFlaSh> how can i reset alsa options?
[18:23] <DaSkreech> PiTrAcOn: What do you want to know?
[18:23] <DaSkreech> quakeglen: I could have sworn there was a checkbox for that
[18:26] <quakeglen> DaSkreech: so do i, but i still can't find it... i used to work in the same window in kde 3.5 kubuntu 8.04, it was by default... but kde4 don't :(
[18:27] <DaSkreech> hrrrm
[18:45] <DaSkreech> quakeglen: :-)
[18:45] <DaSkreech> http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=17764
[18:45] <quakeglen> :O... let me see
[18:47] <quakeglen> XD... I wrote this
[18:47] <quakeglen> thanks anyway!!!
[18:52] <DaSkreech> Hmm Akregator seems broken
[18:52] <DaSkreech>  Well In Kontact it works fine by itself
[18:54] <loganWHD> anyone get the mic working in 8.04
[18:55] <isildur> !it
[18:57] <DaSkreech> Mic?
[19:01] <kamel> salut
[19:01] <mkulke_> hello, i am trying out kde in ibex, but my systemtray is not displayed
[19:02] <quakeglen> mkulke_ don't you have a error on startup?
[19:02] <mkulke_> no
[19:02] <mkulke_> it's more like a grafical distortion
[19:02] <mkulke_> the icons fields are there
[19:02] <mkulke_> and mouseover works
[19:03] <neo_> jemand da der deutsch spricht>
[19:03] <neo_> ?
[19:03] <jpds> !de | neo_
[19:03] <mkulke_> but instead of the icons the beginning of the the panel is displayed
[19:03] <neo_> danke!
[19:03] <quakeglen> it happens to me once... i just restart
[19:04] <Happy> mkulke_: There's a bug in X or graphics card drivers I think causing graphical distortion, though generally people can see the icons fine, but around the icons there's distortion or pure black
[19:04] <Happy> Not sure if that'd be a related bug
[19:04] <quakeglen> are you running from live cd? or is installed?
[19:05] <mkulke_> Happy: yeah, i know this bug. but since upgrading to ibex there are no more icons displayed :/
[19:05] <mkulke_> i'll screenshot it
[19:06] <Happy> Oh well then not sure, do you use NVidia graphics card? The drivers for Ibex are new and apparently fairly unstable
[19:06] <shad0w0fsin> hey everyone, I'm trying to get focus follows mouse (on KDE 4 on intrepid) but it's not working, any ideas?
[19:07] <mkulke_> Happy: nope, intel
[19:07] <Happy> Oh, then really have no idea, sorry
[19:08] <root> hello
[19:09] <Tm_T> root: hi, are we rooted now?
[19:09] <Guest32364> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[19:10] <quakeglen> mkulke_ try EnvyNG for nvidia drivers
[19:10] <Guest32364> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[19:11] <mkulke_> quakeglen: it's an intel-system
[19:11] <quakeglen> XD...
[19:12] <DaSkreech> !hi | Guest32364
[19:12] <mkulke_> this is what it looks like: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2223/whacklv4.jpg\
[19:12] <mkulke_> this is what it looks like: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2223/whacklv4.jpg
[19:13] <quakeglen> mmmm... seems to be a bug...
[19:17] <mkulke_> ahh well
[19:17] <kamel> lol
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> mkulke_: known issue, let me dig up the bug report
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> the good thing is you can work around it
[19:17] <mkulke_> i searched a bit for it
[19:18] <quakeglen> XD
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> mkulke_: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170283
[19:21] <mkulke_> JontheEchidna: thx!
[19:21]  * mkulke_ crosses fingers
[19:22] <brad__> rlt: you are right, it's kde 4.2
[19:22] <wesley_> so guys are you planning to pack kde4.2 beta for kubuntu ?
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> wesley_: yes, we hope to roll it out in a day or so
[19:23] <wesley_> JontheEchidna we love you
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:23] <wesley_> Are you packing it ?
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> yus
[19:24] <brad__> rlt: so I have another question... If I start Kdevelop or Quanta and do help->about KDE - it reports the version as 3.5.10
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> brad_: They are KDE3 apps using the KDE3 libraries so they think that they are running in KDE3
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> wesley_: we've started uploading it to Jaunty (wouldn't recommend upgrading though) and we're starting to upload it to a secret PPA so that we can see if it all will build in Intrepid. Once everything builds and we make sure that it installs on Intrepid ok, we copy the packages over to the PPA we will be using for KDE 4.2 pre releases
[19:26] <cratesso> Hello, Somebody can help me, i have a problem to conect two kubuntu computers on lan
[19:27] <wesley_> Thats okay, in the mean time i should just upgrade to intrepid
[19:29] <RRROOOBBBYYYNNN> heya how do i download msn
[19:29] <Tm_T> !IM | RRROOOBBBYYYNNN
[19:29] <RRROOOBBBYYYNNN> thanks
[19:29] <brad__> hi folks, I have a question about KDevelop/Quanta and KDE4.1
[19:30] <brad__> if I run KDevelop and do "Help ->About KDE" it reports KDE 3.5.10
[19:30] <brad__> should I see KDE 4.1?
[19:31] <RRROOOBBBYYYNNN> i already got this http://kopete.kde.org but msn dont work still
[19:31] <PhilRod> RRROOOBBBYYYNNN: what did you try, what did you expect to happen, and what actually happens?
[19:31] <neo_> #kubuntu-de
[19:32] <Tm_T> PhilRod: thanks (:)
[19:32] <fonzarelli> can someone give me the executable to launch KDE Control Centre?   i want to install that package (i'm not using kubuntu, but want to change font styles, etc for kde apps)
[19:32] <PhilRod> fonzarelli: systemsettings
[19:32] <fonzarelli> thanks PhilRod
[19:32] <RRROOOBBBYYYNNN> i go onto kopete and it always says all your mates are offline but there not cus i texted them too tell to come on
[19:33] <wesley_> why is it that shipit doesnt give 64bit images of intrepid ?
[19:33] <Guest32364> alguien habla espanish
[19:33] <jpds> !es | Guest32364
[19:34] <RRROOOBBBYYYNNN> . . . . . . .. . . . . . .  and they are on
[19:34] <mcsannu> hello someone is from estonia?
[19:34] <skii69> what's a really good/great linux os???
[19:34] <Tm_T> skii69: Kubuntu ofcourse
[19:35] <jpds> wesley_: Best ask info@shipit.ubuntu.com.
[19:35] <kasdaye> Okay, so 2009.0 comes with Compiz Fusion on... is there any way to add more plugins (particularly cube?) because whenever I search it directs me toward the compiz package. Which is apparently different than Compiz Fusion
[19:35] <Tm_T> kasdaye: err?
[19:35] <Tm_T> kasdaye: what is 2009.0 ?
[19:35] <desu> kasdaye: #mandriva, probably?
[19:35] <mcsannu> keegi eesti?
[19:36] <kasdaye> Whoops.
[19:36] <Tm_T> !ee | mcsannu
[19:36] <Tm_T> bah
[19:36] <kasdaye> Sorry, I'm trying out both distros. I meant 8.10
[19:36] <Tm_T> kasdaye: Kubuntu doesn't come with compiz
[19:36] <kasdaye> But the desktop effects are compiz-fusion?
[19:37] <Tm_T> not in Kubuntu
[19:37] <Tm_T> it's KDE4 itself
[19:37] <desu> they're a part of kwin, iirc...
[19:37] <kasdaye> Ooooh
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> A Desktop cube effect is coming in KDE 4.2
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> but it is not there in KDE 4.1, which Kubuntu 8.10 ships
[19:40] <RRROOOBBBYYYNNN> help im stuck on kopete
[19:41] <shad0w0fsin> does anyone know why I can't add more than 2 desktops in KDE 4 on intrepid? I can increase it to 4 but the settings aren't saved.
[19:42] <RRROOOBBBYYYNNN> dont worry ill be on later bye
[19:43] <astromme> shad0w0fsi: That's weird, the settings are saved for me. I have 4 desktops (2x2)
[19:43] <DaSkreech> brad_: Probably not
[19:44] <DaSkreech> !estoninan
[19:45] <ArkoldThos> heya =)
[20:18] <yiannis> i have kubuntu 8.10 and no sound at all. i tried ubuntu 8.10 and the same problem. ubuntu 8.04 works perfect
[20:18] <yiannis> please help
[20:20] <Dekans> in audio settings maybe you can change sound driver
[20:20] <Dekans> for some apps, I have sound only with ALSA
[20:20] <rafael_carreras> yiannis, have you tried to open kmix and check the volumes?
[20:21] <yiannis> yes i have tried almost everything
[20:23] <yiannis> i have kubuntu 8.10 and no sound at all. i tried ubuntu 8.10 and the same problem. ubuntu 8.04 works perfect
[20:23] <yiannis> [22:18] <yiannis> please help
[20:35] <KiDFlaSh> why my firefox, dont run as standardbrowser?
[20:35] <KiDFlaSh> i clicked in options, "check now if firefox is standard" but it dont work
[20:35] <eagles0513875> i need the restricted extras where can i get them from ?
[20:36] <eagles0513875> !mp3
[20:39] <Nalleman> Hi, where do I change the panel looks?
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> Nalleman: right click on desktop-> desktop settings
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> desktop theme should be at the bottom, where you can chose the panel/widget theme
[20:40] <Nalleman> JontheEchidna, thank you!
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome
[20:46] <Barackuse> Is anyone running a web server inside vbox on XP?
[20:47] <Barackuse> Anyone, anyone...?
[20:49] <Barackuse> ugh
[20:49] <genii> Barackuse: Perhaps ask in #vbox
[20:53] <Barackuse> genii: doint that now, but I figured I'd ask here too because I know someone has to be running a Ubuntu server inside VBOX
[20:53] <astromme> Barakuse: I have attemped to run servers in virtualbox before, it's not easy
[20:53] <astromme> The problem is that VirtualBox defaults to having a nat ethernet connection
[20:54] <Barackuse> astromme: So far its working great, no problems.  I have web, smb, ftp and ssh all wroking INSIDE the host VBOX on Ubuntu
[20:54] <Barackuse> I'm using it now to type in this IRC channel
[20:54] <astromme> barakuse: Yeah, the server part is fine. It's just that it's not easy to get other clients to see the virtual machine
[20:54] <yiannis> i have kubuntu 8.10 and no sound at all. i tried ubuntu 8.10 and the same problem. ubuntu 8.04 works perfect
[20:54] <yiannis> [22:18] <yiannis> please help
[20:54] <Barackuse> astromme: Yea I see that and the IP that it defaults to is 10.0.2.15
[20:55] <Barackuse> yiannis: I even got that working too :)
[20:55] <Barackuse> yiannis: Using 8.10
[20:55] <astromme> Barakuse: I would google your problem -> there was a thread somewhere where somone explained how to set up a bridged network connection for virtualbox. That is the only way it will work iirc.
[20:55] <Barackuse> astromme: Yea I been all over google and followed several docs  -  ugh  still a no go
[20:55] <astromme> yiannis: What sound card are you using? (see kmix or 'cat /proc/asound/cards' if you don't know)
[20:56] <astromme> Barackuse: Sorry, I can't offer any more help than that. #vbox?
[20:56] <goetz> Is possible to upgrade to the Kde 4.2 Beta with intrepid, but not using the nightly builds?
[20:56] <Barackuse> astromme: Ya I'm in that chan now, mostly dead - 117 users lol  nothing
[20:56] <astromme> ouch =/
[20:57] <yiannis> HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[20:57] <yiannis>                       HDA Intel at 0xfdff8000 irq 16
[20:57] <astromme> yiannis: There are a few variants of HDA-Intel. Many users have had problems with one variant that card and I don't know much more than that =/.
[20:58] <Barackuse> yiannis:  In VOX I'm using Host Drive - Windows Direct Sound and Controllers is ICH AC97
[20:58] <sikor_sxe> goetz: as far as i know only beta 2 will be unofficially backported to ubuntu
[20:58] <Barackuse> yiannis: VOX = Virtual Box
[20:59] <loganWHD> woooot
[20:59] <loganWHD> 8,04 works with ZERO FLAWS... mic, headphones, no freezing, everything works
[20:59] <astromme> loganWHD: You were having sound issues yesterday, no?
[20:59] <goetz> sikor_sxe: ok, thank you. I will wait to beta 2 I think.
[20:59] <loganWHD> damn 8.10 to hell
[20:59] <loganWHD> hehe
[20:59] <loganWHD> i was
[20:59] <astromme> loganWHD: I guess so.
[20:59] <loganWHD> then i formatted and went to 8,04
[20:59] <Barackuse> loganWHD: So far 8.10 is working fine for me
[20:59] <loganWHD> and WAHLAH
[21:00] <loganWHD> sound works, mic works
[21:00] <loganWHD> headphones work
[21:00] <astromme> loganWHD: yiannis was having some trouble too.
[21:00] <loganWHD> no more freezing
[21:00] <loganWHD> programs load
[21:00] <loganWHD> everything just..... works
[21:00] <Barackuse> loganWHD: Any chance that you are running that in Virtual BOx?
[21:00] <loganWHD> nope
[21:00] <yiannis> astromme any uck?
[21:01] <yiannis> luck?
[21:01] <astromme> yiannis: No ideas, sorry =/
[21:01] <loganWHD> Barackuse: it was full install on my 320 gb hdd
[21:01] <Barackuse> loganWHD: ahh
[21:01] <yiannis> barakuse i cant understand what you arw=e sayng
[21:02] <loganWHD> 8,10 just failed me miserably
[21:02] <loganWHD> but 8.04
[21:02] <loganWHD> this is how life is supposed to be
[21:02] <loganWHD> and i love it
[21:03] <jmichaelx> loganWHD: if 8.04 is working well for you, you likely have no real reason to upgrade for several years
[21:03] <jmichaelx> there is nothing wrong with staying with hardy
[21:03] <loganWHD> nope
[21:03] <loganWHD> none at all
[21:03] <genii> Especially since it's supported until 10.04 arrives
[21:04] <loganWHD> i am afarid to do the updates tho
[21:04] <loganWHD> hehe
[21:05] <jmichaelx> there has been this tendency with ubuntu to make the release FOLLOWING an LTS release more 'experimental'. personally, i think this sucks. if that is the case, then most people should be more strongly encouraged to stay with the LTS release.
[21:05] <loganWHD> jmichaelx:  i agree
[21:05] <loganWHD> that was about 4-5 days of my life wasted
[21:05] <loganWHD> and it was very frustrating
[21:07] <nethans> hola
[21:09] <yiannis> i have kubuntu 8.10 and no sound at all. i tried ubuntu 8.10 and the same problem. ubuntu 8.04 works perfect
[21:09] <yiannis> [22:18] <yiannis> please help
[21:09] <jmichaelx> yiannis: what kind of audio adapter do you have?
[21:10] <yiannis> HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[21:10] <yiannis>                       HDA Intel at 0xfdff8000 irq 16
[21:11] <comedit> i have the same problem on a 64 bit machine
[21:11] <yiannis> hardware dsound card is realtek
[21:11] <loganWHD> i have had the same issues
[21:11] <loganWHD> i had to eventually go to 8.04
[21:11] <loganWHD> but
[21:11] <loganWHD> you can try using alsamixer
[21:12] <yiannis> me too
[21:12] <loganWHD> that worked for sound but not for mic
[21:12] <loganWHD> this helped with the mic
[21:12] <loganWHD> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=418396).
[21:12] <jmichaelx> !intel-hda
[21:12] <jmichaelx> !intelhda
[21:12] <farigola> hi
[21:12] <jmichaelx> have you looked at that link, yiannis?
[21:12] <bobbo85> hi I installed KDE4, is there any way I can switch to Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 3 without losing files?
[21:13] <loganWHD> bobbo85: i did it
[21:13] <loganWHD> sorry
[21:13] <loganWHD> no i didnt
[21:13] <bobbo85> I just don't like how hotkeys is broken in KDE4, and a few random other things I think are probably broken due to KDE4 too am I right?
[21:13] <loganWHD> i meant i switched back to 8.04
[21:13] <loganWHD> without loosing files
[21:13] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: if you like KDE3, i would strongly recommend you just use kubuntu 8.04
[21:14] <loganWHD> just back up your /root dir
[21:14] <loganWHD> and then copy it back after you get into 8,04
[21:14] <loganWHD> and all settings are saved and files
[21:14] <jmichaelx> well, you /home
[21:14] <jmichaelx> your*
[21:14] <loganWHD> yah
[21:14] <loganWHD> sorry
[21:14] <loganWHD> i am root user
 what link?
[21:15] <loganWHD> !intel-hda
[21:15] <bobbo85> What is the version of kubuntu that "works" right now?  Is 8.04 more stable than 8.10?  Is KDE 3 more stable than KDE 4?  Are there certain combinations that are better?
[21:15] <loganWHD> !intelhda
[21:16] <loganWHD> bobbo85: my experience only.... 8.04 works perfect
[21:16] <loganWHD> 8.10 is crap
[21:16] <loganWHD> that is my experience only
[21:17] <bobbo85> jmichaelx, should I resize my current kubuntu partition, then backup my /home folder to that partition... then reinstall kubuntu on the original partition, and move the files back over?  Or is there an easier way?
[21:18] <bobbo85> My two problems are this:  Hotkeys don't work - this is annoying for amarok, personal scripts, and bringing up the "alt f2" run window.  2) when I middle click blank space in firefox, as in when I miss a link, it tries to run some ridiculous command usually related to the last thing I ran, and gives me an error
[21:19] <bobbo85> Has anyone else had these issues?
[21:19] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: alt-f2 should still bring up a run window
[21:20] <bobbo85> jmichaelx, no such luck :-(
[21:20] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: that is strange
[21:22] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: if you did decide to swtich to 8.04, the method you mentioned would work. or you could backup /home to an external drive. additionally, i always recommend that people keep /home on a separate partition anyways
[21:25] <ubuntu> Hi i go install intrepid with the free shipit cds
[21:25] <yacc> Anyone got an idea what could cause kwin to consume 80% CPU? And 200MB ram?
[21:25] <bobbo85> thanks jmichaelx.  i have a couple other questions - i have a windows partition too i dual boot with... how do you recommend i store files in this case?  have one "my documents" folder in the NTFS windows drive, and one "Home" directory on the ext3 linux partition?  Or should I try to consolidate them somehow?  Or use symbolic links or whatever(Can windows even do that?)?
[21:26] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: it all depends on what you want to do. all of it will be easily accessible from your kubuntu install
[21:27] <bobbo85> actually just now I tried saving a file from firefox to my windows partition, it gave me an error that the file didn't exist... no s### i'm trying to create it!
[21:27] <bobbo85> so I saved it to the linux drive, and i will have to copy it over
[21:27] <jmichaelx> your /home in linux is quite a different thing, of course, than your documents folder in windows
[21:27] <ubuntu> bobbo85 its easery to use ntfs then extw
[21:27] <ubuntu> ext3
[21:28] <bobbo85> ubuntu what do you mean?
[21:28] <jmichaelx> ubuntu: i don't know that one is easier than the other
[21:28] <ubuntu> Kubuntu reads and write ntfs but Windows doesnt read ext3
[21:28] <jmichaelx> i think ext3 is far superior
[21:29] <bobbo85> ubuntu there is a driver i installed for windows, so it can read/write to my ext3 drive
[21:29] <bobbo85> it's called ex2fs or something
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[21:29] <jmichaelx> windows _can_ read ext3, but not out of the box.. and i have never bothered to set that up
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> just install that and everything will work easy
[21:30] <ubuntu> jmichaelx i don´t see why ntfs is bad choose when you are dualing booting with Windows
[21:30] <nogagplz> Don't forget to select a letter for the drive/partition in that installer either
[21:30] <jmichaelx> ubuntu: no, if you like it, it can be used easily enough
[21:31] <jmichaelx> ubuntu: but, ext3 has several advantages... things like not needing to defrag, etc.
[21:31] <ubuntu> jmichaelx thats not true
[21:31] <ubuntu> ext3 has also deframentation
[21:31] <bobbo85> So would it be wise to have all of my "Documents" (music, movies, 'office' documents) on the windows drive then?  If so, what would make it easier to get at in linux?  Right now, when I go to "open" from many programs in linux, I have to navigate to "File system" then media->disk->documents and settings->bobbo->my documents...  every time!
[21:31] <bobbo85> Even though I have "My documents" in "my places" in kubuntu
[21:32] <jmichaelx> ubuntu: there is no need to defrag on ext3. what fragmentation there might be is VERY minimal
[21:32] <ubuntu> still i dont think ntfs is bad, but on linux i use rather jfs
[21:33] <ubuntu> bobbo85, i think you could make a link to the windows documents ?
[21:33] <jmichaelx> ubuntu: i don't like ntfs, but i am not saying it is 'bad'. i am saying that overall, i believe ext3 is much better. btw, i have never even heard of someone defragging ext3
[21:33] <ubuntu> yeah there isnt a tool to defrag ext3
[21:34] <jmichaelx> ubuntu: because one isn't needed
[21:34] <bobbo85> ubuntu, how can I go about doing that?  And will these links show up in "Browse" windows?
[21:35] <ubuntu> reason i choose ntfs is because there wont get errors on, on ext3 you got bigger chance off errors when you write on it from Windows
[21:35] <ubuntu> bobbo85 i think set the Documents path to that Windows document folder ?
[21:36] <ubuntu> but external i have ext3 because they dont need to boot up
[21:36] <bobbo85> ubuntu, how do I do that?
[21:36] <ubuntu> going see that for myself
[21:37] <bobbo85> and ubuntu, what if I have things in the "Documents" folder in Kubuntu?  Would they be inaccessible if the directory name was turned into a pointer to another directory?
[21:37] <ubuntu> okay > system settings > personal > about me > paths
[21:38] <yacc> Any way to force kwin to ignore all the GL bullshit?
[21:38] <ubuntu> the reason i have still a Windows on it is because off my iphone
[21:38] <bobbo85> cool thanks ubuntu
[21:39] <bobbo85> So what are the differences between KDE 3 and KDE 4?
[21:39] <ubuntu> so i am hoping there will come an easy way to synch your iphonw
[21:39] <ubuntu> bobbo85 kde4 is new kde3 is old but stable
[21:39] <yacc> bobbo85, KDE4 is kind of nextgen thing compared to KDE3.5.9.
[21:40] <yacc> So how can I force kwin not to use OpenGL?
[21:40] <ubuntu> its the WOW of Linux, and gnome is the Windows 98 of Linux
[21:41] <jmichaelx> yacc: do you mean you want the desktop effects shut off?
[21:43] <_abbenormal> hello all
[21:44] <_abbenormal> ? is anyone else having issue with adept in 8.10
[21:44] <ubuntu> not really
[21:45] <_abbenormal> mine acts like it wants to load then drops
[21:45] <jmichaelx> _abbenormal: yes, most are
[21:45] <_abbenormal> ok cool thanks
[21:45] <_abbenormal> thought it was me
[21:45] <jmichaelx> the new adept is nearly unusable, imo
[21:45] <ubuntu> thats not true, its only different
[21:45] <_abbenormal> ok i dont mind apt-get command line works for me
[21:46] <_abbenormal> thanks
[21:46] <jmichaelx> ubuntu: it is not just different
[21:47] <bobbo85> Is there a place I can see a comparison of features in 8.04 vs 8.10, or for kde3 vs kde4?
[21:47] <jmichaelx> _abbenormal: you could also consider installing synaptic, or learning to you aptitude
[21:47] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: i am not sure, but kde4 is still not considered to be feature complete
[21:47] <jmichaelx> to use* aptitude
[21:47] <_abbenormal> no i dont mind command line as im use to it
[21:48] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Large list :-)
[21:48] <_abbenormal> desktops always seem to me to be to much eye candy
[21:48] <jmichaelx> aptitude is an ncurses-based command line package manager.
[21:48] <_abbenormal> i know
[21:49] <_abbenormal> my other systems are debian without desktops so its just habit to use command line and terminal
[21:50] <_abbenormal> thats whats nice about linux theres more ways to skin the cat
[21:50] <bobbo85> Isn't KDE4 supposed to be fixed (up to 4.2) in january?
[21:51] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: the goal is for 4.2 to be released in Jan, as far as i understand
[21:51] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Fixed?
[21:51] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: i am sure there will be improvements with 4.2, but that is not to say that its functionality/stability will be as good as, say, kde3
[21:52] <DaSkreech> The goal for KDE 4.2 is to be at least as functional as KDE3
[21:52] <ubuntu> I think kde4.2 will be very good, i am hoping to test it
[21:52] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i hope that turns out to be true
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Or to say it in a very different way to be feature complete when compared wit KDE3.5
[21:53] <DaSkreech> Though I'm sure that someone will bring up a list of esoteric things that they can't live without that don't exist
[21:53] <bobbo85> so do you think it is worth it to reinstall kubuntu for kde3, if in a month kde4 might work just fine?
[21:53]  * DaSkreech sees the Mac Menu as that already
[21:54] <bobbo85> btw does anyone know how I can fix the firefox middleclick on blank space issue?  Or the fact that alt+f2 does not work?
[21:54] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: I don't know what are you missing from KDE4 ?
[21:54] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i am sure that will be the case....   but, there are things in kde4 that are just weird (to me). we were just discussing what they have done with adept, for example
[21:54] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: run krunner
[21:54] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: That was a favour
[21:54] <jmichaelx> a favour?
[21:54] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, i find that my hotkeys don't work, alt+f2 is one of the main ones.  Also the hotkeys for amarok don't work.
[21:55] <DaSkreech> The authour of Adept pulled out a lot of stops to rewrite adept in Qt4 tohave it ship with 8.10
[21:55] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: and now adept is practically useless
[21:55] <bobbo85> daskreech what is krunner?
[21:55] <DaSkreech> Dropped other real life stuff to make it happen by freeze deadline. It's not like this was a long design process
[21:55] <_abbenormal> push push push and it will end up like windows not the way but seeing it happen
[21:56] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: But it exists the other alternative was to tell everyone to use command line. If you want to help make it better then please file bugs. there is quite a lot of time before 9.04 to make it into something you can be proud of
[21:56] <bobbo85> daskreech, i right clicked the desktop, hit "run command" then typed krunner and nothing happened, i think it just opened another "run command" window in the same place
[21:56] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: alt+F2
[21:56] <DaSkreech> It invokes krunner in KDE4
[21:56] <bobbo85> right, alt+f2 does not work :-(  how can i fix that?
[21:57] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech:  it is hard to know what is a bug, or what is simply a bad design decision
[21:57] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Oh you mean press alt+F2 doesn't start krunner
[21:57] <bobbo85> correct
[21:57] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Well post the bugs then If you can't tell it's probably one or the other and it will be considered
[21:58] <DaSkreech>  Explain what you expect to happen and what you see happen. If you want to be more involved join #kubuntu-devel
[21:58] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: That's a global shortcut in plasma as far as I know once you have plasma running it should register it
[21:59] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i guess this is an old topic, and not worth discussing as many on either side are holding strong on their positions, but much in kde4 was just simply not ready to be called 'stable'
[22:00] <jmichaelx> i don't think anyone is unaware of the shortcomings of adept (as one example)
[22:00] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Well Adept really shouldnt be held up as an example in either case. It's a one off that was done just for the release of Kubuntu in a very short time
[22:00] <bobbo85> daskreech, what is plasma?  As far as i've noticed, it is a glowy button in the top right that I can't get rid of, and it offers like 4 widgets that aren't very interesting
[22:01] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Ok What version of KDE4 are you on?
[22:01] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i have a hard time understanding why that would not be considered an example lol
[22:01] <bobbo85> and shouldn't global shortcuts be under "System settings" somewhere?
[22:01] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, 4.1.2
[22:02] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Because it's not a part of KDE4? It's a part of kubuntu and wasn't really a planned execution?
[22:02] <jmichaelx> bobbo85: there are other widgets you can install, and there will be more coming
[22:02] <_abbenormal> hey jmichaelx thanks
[22:02] <_abbenormal> ill be around
[22:03] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: I think there is a plasmoid package to get more plasmoids but I'm not sure why alt+f2 doesn't work. What happens if you kill plasma and restart it ?
[22:03] <DaSkreech> kquitapp plasma; plasma
[22:03] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: well, i am discussing kubuntu's implementation of KDE for one thing, and as far as i know
[22:03] <jmichaelx> anyways, it isn't worth discussing at this stage
[22:03] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, do you want me to PM you the 7 lines of error stuff?
[22:05] <Samuel-NotAFK> How do I change what action the power button on my laptop does?
[22:05] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: pastebin it
[22:06] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Probably not but as I said if you are worried about the state bug reports are the best way to get it across and helps provide a checklist for things to change for future releases. If for some reason the next time there is a short time period there will at least be a quick list they can check off to say this is done this is done that looks wrong cause it causes users this problem
[22:07] <bobbo85> http://pastebin.ca/1274184
[22:07] <DaSkreech> Samuel-NotAFK: It's part of the startup routines.
[22:08] <bobbo85> where can I set global shortcuts?
[22:08] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Do you have kded4 installed?
[22:09] <Samuel-NotAFK> DaSkreech: Sorry, I didn't understand your answer.
[22:10] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, kded4?  or kde4?  I have kde 4.1.2
[22:10] <DaSkreech> kded4
[22:10] <DaSkreech> It's an app that does registration etc
[22:10] <DaSkreech> !!upstart
[22:10] <bobbo85> it's not even listed in adept DaSkreech
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Samuel-NotAFK: I think that it's held in those ^^^^ startup scripts
[22:11] <Samuel-NotAFK> DaSkreech: I'm an Ubuntu Linux newbie.
[22:11] <DaSkreech> !find kded4
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Ha I guess you do have it
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Samuel-NotAFK: What do you want it to do?
[22:12] <Samuel-NotAFK> DaSkreech: Standby.
[22:12] <Samuel-NotAFK> DaSkreech: Instead of shutdown.
[22:12] <Samuel-NotAFK> DaSkreech: Which it currently does.
[22:13] <DaSkreech> Samuel-NotAFK: I think the power manager applet can change that. I'm not sure though :(
[22:13] <Samuel-NotAFK> DaSkreech: I don't use that applet.
[22:15] <DaSkreech> What's the firefox blank space middle  click issue?
[22:15] <bobbo85> How can I get the latest version of amarok?  I saw that RC1 was released, I'm still using 1.92.2, and have "unsupported" and "pre-release" updates checked in my adept repository settings
[22:15] <szrhawaii> how do i get plasma themes inabled on my desktop what files or program do i need to download
[22:15] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, if I miss a link, and I click in whitespace of a firefox window, it always tries to open something... usually like the last program I opened or something not related to what I'm doing
[22:16] <bobbo85> right now if I click in a random spot, it goes to "www.kded.com"
[22:17] <bobbo85> which i've never been to in my life
[22:17] <DaSkreech> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-rc-1
[22:17] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: You have that in your clipboard I woulkd assume
[22:18] <szrhawaii> #plasmoids
[22:18] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: Right click -> configure desktop -> Choose theme ?
[22:18] <szrhawaii> what files do i need to download
[22:18] <szrhawaii> i dont think i have any of them
[22:18] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, if amarok is for 8.10 ibex, can i use it with 8.04 hardy?  Also how do i find out which version i have of kubuntu?
[22:19] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[22:19] <szrhawaii> yeah when i right click there is no theme
[22:19] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: In Configure desktop ?
[22:19] <DaSkreech> You should have a drop down box that says elegance I think
[22:20] <szrhawaii> got nothing
[22:20] <bobbo85> 8.04
[22:20] <Adola> Hey, is the operating system installed on some minilaptops the same as REGULAR ubuntu?
[22:20] <Adola> Or would it be like....Ubuntu mobil or something like that?
[22:21] <szrhawaii> daskreech do you know what files i should download to get the theme in the configure part
[22:22] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: ok
[22:22] <DaSkreech> Adola: Depends
[22:22] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: Which version of kde4 are you using?
[22:22] <jmichaelx> Adola: some manufacturers do make some modifications to their implementation of ubuntu on a netbook platform, and may use ubuntu's netbook remix GUI
[22:23] <Adola> Well, I suppose what I'm asking is this...A computer is a computer, is a computer...But, drivers change dependingly...Can I just install regular Kubuntu on one?
[22:23] <DaSkreech> Adola: In general yes
[22:23] <szrhawaii> i have hardy 8.04 not 8.10
[22:23] <Adola> Ok, excellent!
[22:24] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: That has two versions of KDE4 KDE 4.0 and kde 4.1
[22:24] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, do you think I should upgrade to 8.10?  Or is it not ready yet?  Also, what can I do about the alt+f2 issue?  And can I still install amarok rc in 8.04
[22:24] <DaSkreech> KDE 4.0 would not have themes there
[22:24] <Adola> BTW what is the offtopic channel?
[22:24] <szrhawaii> yeah mine doesnt so what files would i need to download
[22:24] <Adola> (8.10 fixed my ATI card :D)
[22:24] <szrhawaii> i can find themes for my version i just dont know what files or programs to download to make them work
[22:25] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: I'd say wait if you are comfortable with 8.04. I can't speak as to readiness you would have to judge if it's ready for you. alt+f2 might be a config issues try kquitapp plasma; mv ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc ~/plasmarc; plasma
[22:25] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: I don't know of a way but I would guess if you really want to you can get it
[22:25] <DaSkreech> !offtopic
[22:26] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2
[22:26] <DaSkreech> Adola: :-D
[22:27] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, that command didn't do anything...
[22:27] <szrhawaii> is there a way to get it for 3.5
[22:28] <jmichaelx> Adola: i just ordered a dell mini 9 on saturday. wiping the drive, repartitioning and installing intrepid (or maybe debian lenny) will be the first thing i do
[22:28] <szrhawaii> is there a way to get plasma themes for 3.5
[22:28] <Samuel-NotAFK> How do I change what action the power button on my laptop does?
[22:28] <jmichaelx> szrhawaii: there is no plasma in kde3
[22:29] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: Umm I guess technically
[22:29] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: It didn't kill plasma?
[22:30] <bobbo85> actually DaSkreech yes it did kill plasma, and it moved plasmarc to my home directory, i'm assuming it made a new version, but still no alt + f2.
[22:30] <DaSkreech> :-/
[22:30] <szrhawaii> is there a way to bridge the plasma themes with 3.5 to use the 4 plasma themes
[22:31] <szrhawaii> without upgrading
[22:31] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: you can run plasma as a standalone app in a KDE3 space
[22:31] <sidney__> how do i get the log file for Virtual box?
[22:31] <DaSkreech> That might work then you could kill kdesktop and kicker
[22:31] <szrhawaii> how do i do that
[22:32] <szrhawaii> I want to kill kdesktop as it is
[22:32] <DaSkreech> sidney__: It just dumps itself in my ~ :-p
[22:32] <szrhawaii> ive been trying to do that without losing my trash capabilities
[22:32] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: alt+f2 -> plasma && killall kicker && killall kdesktop
[22:32] <szrhawaii> yeah but then i gotta do that upon every log in
[22:33] <szrhawaii> is there a way to completely get rid of kdesktops files without doing it that way so it runs permanetly
[22:33] <szrhawaii> because i have ccsm that runs fine behind it right now
[22:33] <szrhawaii> but when i delete the kdesktop files my trash doesnt work
[22:34] <szrhawaii> do you know what the source files for the trash bin is so i can save them then delete the kdesktop and add the files back
[22:34] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: autostart it
[22:34] <bobbo85> ooooooooooh DaSkreech i found something... when I went to system settings ->keyboard and mouse->keyboard shortcuts I got an error!
[22:34] <szrhawaii> how do i do that
[22:34] <bobbo85> Failed to contact the KDE global shortcuts daemon
[22:34] <bobbo85> Message: The name org.kde.kded was not provided by any .service files
[22:34] <bobbo85> Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown
[22:34] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: trash:/ links to ~/.Trash
[22:35] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: kded huh?
[22:35] <szrhawaii> also do I need to download any files to have those thems on my comp
[22:35] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, so what can I do about that?
[22:36] <DaSkreech> do you have qdbus installed? That might be it
[22:36] <jmichaelx> interestingly, in kde4,  when i enter 'ls -a .Trash', it shows nothing. when i look at my trash in dolphin, however, there is a lot there
[22:37] <DaSkreech> I don't use Trash so I can't tell you :)
[22:37] <szrhawaii> well it doesnt delete my files
[22:38] <dubby> anyone here know anything about the network-manager-pptp problems?
[22:38] <szrhawaii> so if i trash something it wont delete it just compiles
[22:38] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, do you mean libqdbusbridge?
[22:38] <bobbo85> that's all that comes up in adept when i search for qdbus
[22:38] <claudio> salve a tutt
[22:38] <claudio> !list
[22:38] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: open a command line and type qdbus and see if it says anything
[22:39] <sidney__> Is there a user guide in book form for Ubuntu?
[22:39] <DaSkreech> !find qdbus
[22:39] <DaSkreech> ha ha :-)
[22:39] <DaSkreech> sidney__: Yes
[22:39] <sidney__> Name?
[22:39] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, yeah a whole bunch of stuff, from 1.12 to 1.8 'org.freedesktop.dbus'
[22:39] <DaSkreech> On the Ubuntu site there is an official Ubuntu Book
[22:40] <szrhawaii> so should i just download the kde 4 plasma themes
[22:40] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Anyting that says krunner?
[22:40] <sidney__> hope it's for a newby
[22:40] <szrhawaii> then run killall
[22:40] <bobbo85> 1.8
[22:40] <bobbo85>  org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver
[22:40] <bobbo85>  org.kde.krunner
[22:40] <bobbo85>  org.kde.screensaver
[22:40] <bobbo85> org.freedesktop.DBus
[22:40] <DaSkreech> Ok
[22:41] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Woah wait
[22:41] <bobbo85> should i install libqdbusbridge?
[22:41] <DaSkreech>  are you running comiz?
[22:41] <DaSkreech> compiz?
[22:41] <szrhawaii> who me
[22:41] <szrhawaii> yeah
[22:41] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, yes, i use it for the "zoom in" feature and a few other goodies
[22:41] <szrhawaii> i have the 7.06 version
[22:41] <szrhawaii> 0.7.6
[22:42] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: no but you should probably read the link I gave you earlier
[22:42] <szrhawaii> ok
[22:42] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Tha would explain quite a bit :)
[22:42] <DaSkreech> Though not sure why the alt+F2 wouldn't work. I know you might not get krunner but you should get >someting<
[22:43] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, explain!  I really don't understand how compiz, metacity, kwin, plasm, emerald, kde, and kubuntu work together...
[22:43] <wesley_> why are many people complaining about Kubuntu?
[22:43] <DaSkreech> wesley_: listen to them and you'll find out
[22:44] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: compiz, metacity and kwin are window managers. They manage which windows turn up where and the zorders
[22:44] <wesley_> DaSkreech, I dont have problems with Kubunty
[22:44] <szrhawaii> hey daskreech i forgot how to add the updates manually i did it before with my compiz do you know the source code to get there
[22:44] <szrhawaii> so i can add the ppa file
[22:45] <DaSkreech> They are the first stop when a key combination is pressed to activate something. I'm thinking that compiz is grabbing alt+F2 (normally handled by the window manager istelf) and sees that plasma has registerd it but doesn't know waht to do with it
[22:45] <DaSkreech> I may be wrong
[22:45] <DaSkreech> wesley_: great :)
[22:45] <DaSkreech> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2 for szrhawaii
[22:45] <szrhawaii> this thing says i can run it along side kde 4 desktop
[22:45] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, how can i find out?  I think right now I'm using compiz for window manager, and kwin for window decorator
[22:45] <szrhawaii> but then i have to download the kde 4 desktop
[22:45] <wesley_> And i know sure kde4.2 rocks even more
[22:46] <DaSkreech> wesley_: you ran it?
[22:46] <jmichaelx> gnome look black garden
[22:46] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Umm ok .. you can't run them at the same time
[22:46] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: If you figured out how to do that no wonder your keyboard shortcuts are messed up :)
[22:46] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: try running kwin --replace
[22:47] <wesley_> DaSkreech 4.2 ? uh i did ran 4.1.77 thats before the 4.2 beta
[22:47] <DaSkreech> wesley_: Cool. I like informed opinions
[22:48] <wesley_> But it seems kde-nightly doesnt update anymore, so i need to compile kde4.2 by myself
[22:48] <bobbo85> ok DaSkreech that gave me a ton of these errors: QDBusConnection received a message of type 3 that it shouldn't have
[22:48] <bobbo85> error: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" "The name org.kde.kded was not provided by any .service files"
[22:48] <DaSkreech> :-/
[22:48] <wesley_> I even had nl lacalozation
[22:49] <szrhawaii> ok i remember how to add the ppa file now
[22:49] <bobbo85> And now compiz icon still says compiz is window manager, but now i don't have any of my effects, like transparency of the botton panel, rain drops effect, etc
[22:49] <DaSkreech> Hmm well I have to go bathe and prepare for a presentation in a short time. You have a path now as to what's the issue kded4 is throwing dbus errors
[22:49] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: press ctrl+F9
[22:49] <rajat> Hi
[22:49] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, didn't do anything
[22:49] <rajat> anybdy used KDE4 on dell
[22:49] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: what happens if you press alt+F3 ?
[22:50] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, nothing
[22:50] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: alt+space
[22:50] <DaSkreech> !dell
[22:50] <rajat> actually i istalled kubuntu 8.10 my scree flickered
[22:50] <szrhawaii> if i download kubuntu-kde4-desktop should i delete the kubuntu-kde3.5-desktop
[22:50] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: no need you can have both
[22:50] <rajat> dats why i switched to 3.5
[22:50] <bobbo85> DaSkreech, nothing
[22:51] <szrhawaii> will it cause conflicts
[22:51] <rajat> actually am a gnome user for past 10 yrs
[22:51] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: ok try compiz --replace
[22:51] <DaSkreech> rajat: Welcome
[22:51] <wesley_> do you believe that someone says Jaunty is more stasble then intrepid
[22:51] <bobbo85> DaSkreech,  ok back to where we were before
[22:51] <DaSkreech> wesley_: One person saying that means nothing. It could be true for them
[22:52] <szrhawaii> if i am running kde 3.5 why is it on the gnome-desktop-2
[22:52] <DaSkreech> bobbo85: Alright I'll leave you there :) I have to run
[22:52] <bobbo85> k thanks for your help DaSkreech
[22:52] <rajat> just thought to give kde a try
[22:52] <rajat> and well i m liking 3.5
[22:52] <rajat> daskreech : thanks
[22:52] <rajat> but in KUBun 8.10 my screen was flickering
[22:52] <wesley_> DaSkreech, I have learned that pre-alpas are only for devs
[22:52] <rajat> i thought it might be a bug
[22:53] <rajat> but found nothin on the bugs list there
[22:53] <wesley_> but i didnt try 9.04, so maby its true
[22:53] <rajat> is it so
[22:53] <rajat> ??
[22:54] <wesley_> I have a stable Iphone so if it breaks i can still mail with iphone
[22:58] <kap> looking fo a good copy of saw v
[23:00] <genii> kap: Since the film was released only in Oct to theatres you'll need to wait a while to purchase your legal copy.
[23:00] <genii> Since talk of piracy is forbidden here, etc
[23:07] <rajat> nick <boo>
[23:07] <DaSkreech> genii: Are you on KDE 3 or KDE 4?
[23:08] <genii> DaSkreech: On my laptop, 3.5.10 i386,  on desktop 4.1 x86
[23:08] <genii> x64 rather
[23:09] <DaSkreech> genii: Any clue what would happen to the alt+F2 shortcut in KDE4 if you ran compiz ?
[23:09] <genii> DaSkreech: Nope :)
[23:09] <nogagplz> DaSkreech: so long as you don't map it to anything in compiz, it should still work fine?
[23:10] <DaSkreech> nogagplz: It's mapped in most window managers by defalt
[23:10] <DaSkreech> s/most/quite a few/g
[23:12] <dada> REGISTER <password> <email>
[23:13] <karenlizmty15> ola
[23:14] <karenlizmty15> ola
[23:14] <genii> !es | karenlizmty15
[23:14] <karenlizmty15> alguien me lee
[23:14] <karenlizmty15> hi
[23:16] <genii> karenlizmty15: Hello. Your questions may be asked here in english, or in #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es in spanish
[23:18] <_abbenormal> is there an easy way to munt a drive in 8.10
[23:18] <_abbenormal> is there an easy way to mount a drive in 8.10
[23:18] <Jeff91> hello
[23:19] <DaSkreech> _abbenormal: Open dolphin and click on drive there or there is the device notifier on the taskbar you can mount removable drives there
[23:19] <DaSkreech> !hi | Jeff91
[23:19] <Jeff91> Hey is there a way to make Konqueror my default folder browser?
[23:19] <DaSkreech> !default
[23:19] <Jeff91> cause I really don't care for how Dolphin works
[23:20] <DaSkreech> does that help Jeff91?
[23:20] <_abbenormal> tells me an error occurred hal device volume permission denied /dev/sdb1 is listed in /etc/fstab
[23:21] <Jeff91> Which configure DaSkreech?
[23:21] <DaSkreech> Jeff91: konqueror
[23:21] <Jeff91> there are four different things under settings that say "configure" some where in them :P
[23:21] <Jeff91> in Konqueror ;)
[23:21] <DaSkreech> Jeff91: One should say Configure Konqueror
[23:21] <_abbenormal> old way was system menu and open the drives but not finding that way yet
[23:21] <hoonteke> has anyone been noticing speed issues with Kubuntu 8.10?
[23:22] <hoonteke> I'm noting a lot of slow graphics, like when switching desktops, or when I drag the mouse across the "desktop" widget, or try often when I hit the K menu
[23:22] <Jeff91> yea I found that DaSkreech
[23:23] <Jeff91> then in there I hit "File Associations"
[23:23] <Jeff91> and get a list of known types
[23:23] <_abbenormal> theres no way in system settings to do anything with hard drives
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Jeff91: change the two noted in the factoid and you should be alright
[23:24] <Jeff91> factoid?
[23:24] <_abbenormal> say its refusing to mount
[23:26] <Jeff91> DaSkreech factiod?
[23:26] <Jeff91> maybe I'm just retarded but not seeing
[23:27] <Jeff91> :/
[23:28] <Jeff91> I want to make it so when I click a file it opens in konqueror
[23:28] <Jeff91> instead of dolphin
[23:28] <antonio_> #kutuntu-es
[23:28] <antonio_> #ubuntu-es
[23:29] <estres> #kubuntu-es
[23:30] <genii> estres: /j #kubuntu-es
[23:32] <Jeff91> gah
[23:32] <szrhawaii> is there a way to run plasma themes without upgrading to kde4
[23:32] <Jeff91> I thought I would be clever and just uninstall dolphin
[23:32] <jaaroo> Hi there. I've just upgraded to intrepid. Is it true that kde4 konsole doesn't have the possibility to define "switch to tab N" shortcut anymore? I used that a lot in previous versions.
[23:33] <Jeff91> but it is tied to Konqueor
[23:33] <carfreak54> hell?
[23:33] <jaaroo> Jeff91: doplhin sux in my opinion but I never had time to try removing it :)
[23:33] <carfreak54> hello?
[23:34] <Jeff91> jaaroo I just want it to use konqueror instead for folders/drives by default
[23:34] <Jeff91> it was that way in 7.10 I recall
[23:34] <jaaroo> Jeff91: I suppose you weren't successfull.
[23:34] <Jeff91> jaaroo not yet :/
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> Jeff91: change the file assosiation for folder/inode to konqueror
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> inode/directory
[23:37] <Jeff91> where can I find that?
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> System Settings -> Advanced -> File associations
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> you can also get there from konq I think
[23:38] <Jeff91> yea
[23:38] <Jeff91> now what do I do once I am here?
[23:39] <Jeff91> I see inode
[23:39] <Jeff91> but not an option to change it to konq
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> in there there will be a "directory" entry
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> click the + next to inode
[23:39] <Jeff91> ahh got ya
[23:39] <_abbenormal> thanks DaSkreech
[23:39] <Jeff91> thanks my man
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:39] <Jeff91> Anyone here have issues with icons in the lower right having their images distored?
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, known issue. Should be gone in KDE 4.2
[23:40] <Jeff91> ahh kk
[23:40] <Jeff91> good stuff
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> is the whole thing corrupted or just the background?
[23:40] <Jeff91> glad it wasnt just me
[23:40] <Jeff91> just the background
[23:40] <Jeff91> on the battery icon
[23:41] <Jeff91> and the klipboard
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that will be fixed in KDE 4.2
[23:41] <jaaroo> anyway I didn't figure out how to put some widgets on plasma panels. They somehow seem to align them to center regardles of what I try to do with them.
[23:42] <ivano> who can help me with firefox and its strange form control buttons?
[23:43] <ivano> since i upgraded to 8.10 firefox has this graphic issue
[23:43] <Jeff91> oh thats sad
[23:43] <Jeff91> the twitter app
[23:43] <Jeff91> crashes plasma
[23:44] <ivano> i mean kubuntu 8.10
[23:44] <Jeff91> is that known or should I report it?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> i'd report it
[23:44] <ivano> form control buttons appear large and gray
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[23:46] <ivano> anyhow i think this bug is already known
[23:46] <ivano> i found some similar to this
[23:47] <ivano> but couldn't found the right fix for my bug
[23:48] <szrhawaii> hey how do i clear my terminals upgraded files that are not upgraded
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: how do you mean?
[23:49] <szrhawaii> it says i have 11 upgradable files after i did the upgrade part but if they didnt upgrade then i want to remove them so i tried apt-get autoremove but it says nothing to remove isthere another way
[23:49] <ivano> apt-get install --reinstall name_of_not_upgraded_pack
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get -f install
[23:50] <ivano> or use adept
[23:50] <Jeff91> lol
[23:51] <Jeff91> damn it how do I find my KDE version?
[23:51] <szrhawaii> well nevemind everything is cleared
[23:51] <Jeff91> so I can report this bug?
[23:51] <szrhawaii> if i run kde 4 along side my kde 3.5 will it cause conflicts
[23:52] <szrhawaii> because the kubuntu webpage says i can and then when i log in to my session just to pic that session
[23:53] <szrhawaii> does anyone knows if it causes conflicts in the system and also will i lose any of my regular session doing this
[23:54] <szrhawaii> has anyone ever done this before
[23:54] <szrhawaii> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2
[23:54] <szrhawaii> need clarification on number 2
[23:55] <szrhawaii> and 3
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> 2 means: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:55] <MuzikJunkie> How do I add 1280x1024 resolution to this? http://rafb.net/p/43Wq2Y11.html
[23:56] <szrhawaii> yeah but the last part where it says if you are still running kde 3 and want install kde4 along your current desktop
[23:56] <szrhawaii> i did the ppa and know how to do the adept part
[23:57] <szrhawaii> im just confused as to the sessions running along side each other
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-kde-4.html
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: you run kde4 but some apps still use kde3 libs
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> szrhawaii: so you wil see kde4 but some files for kde3 wil remain
[23:58] <szrhawaii> oh so it only upgrades some of it
[23:58] <szrhawaii> has anyone done this and does it have conflicts
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> ive done it and its fine, kubuntu intrepid is pure kde4
[23:59] <szrhawaii> ok so no glitches or anything
[23:59] <szrhawaii> will my current schemes and icons still be there or do i have to redo all of that again