[00:07] <pckchem> Hmm anyone want to answer a quick workflow question?
[00:07] <bdmurray> pckchem: sure
[00:08] <pckchem> Oh hey Brian. What is the procedure for properly requested Needs-packaging bugs? Should the be confirmed or left new.
[00:09] <bdmurray> Confirmed if not in Debian or Ubuntu
[00:09] <bdmurray> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs for more info
[00:11] <pckchem> Ahh, thanks for the link. Was looking for something like that but couldn't find it.
[00:11]  * pckchem triages onward
[02:30] <Elbrus> If somebody could set bug 303709 to wishlist (and triaged) I would appreciate it. (I send the bug to the Debian BTS) and will see if I can create a patch.
[02:32] <pckchem> Np
[02:32] <pckchem> Updated.
[02:33] <Elbrus> pckchem: thanks
[03:08]  * Elbrus just closed the first bug where he actually was the assignee...
[03:08]  * Elbrus feels great for a moment.
[03:09] <Elbrus> bug 172804 if you care...
[03:12] <Hobbsee> woot!
[03:49] <Elbrus> I just filled bug 304249, should I subscribe MOTU if I want this processed (debdiff attached)?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> no, you should NEVER subscribe MOTU
[03:50] <Elbrus> oh..
[03:50] <Hobbsee> else I will come and hit you with a stick, as may the other 80-odd people who will get mail if you do
[03:50] <Hobbsee> sec
[03:50] <Elbrus> ok, ok, I understand
[03:50]  * Elbrus hiddes under the table
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Elbrus: what you want is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#Preparing%20Patches (and below)
[03:51] <Elbrus> s/hiddes/hides
[03:51] <Hobbsee> in particular, the stuff about the sponsoring queue
[03:51]  * Elbrus could find the apropriate wiki, so thanks Hobbsee
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Elbrus: you're welcome :) (and it's in the topic of #ubuntu-motu, if that helps)
[03:55] <Elbrus> why doesn't debdiff do: diff -urN debian.old debian
[03:55] <Hobbsee> it does?
[03:55] <Elbrus> no, diff -u
[03:55] <Hobbsee> methinks it does anyway, but only shows diff -u for some reason
[03:56] <Hobbsee> at least my debdiffs look like they're done with the proper diff -urN
[03:56] <Elbrus> ok, so debdiff would qualify right?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i think you only need the later section, which should refer to debdiffs
[03:56]  * Hobbsee clicked on hte wrong bit?
[04:00] <Elbrus> hmm, my debdiff is called winff-0.43-2ubuntu1.debdiff instead of winff_0.43-2ubuntu1.debdiff, is that a big problem...
[04:01] <Hobbsee> no
[04:01] <Hobbsee> doesn't really matter what they're called, as long as it's descriptive
[04:01] <Hobbsee> the person downloads the source, and applies it like a regular patch
[05:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <sk8ingdom> has anyone heard of gnome crashes right after login due to recent updates in 8.04.1?
[09:03] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[09:39] <shingie> Hi Guys, I havent helped out with ubuntu bugs and i need to find out how i can help with 5-a-day
[09:55] <wolfger> hi shingie, and welcome to 5-a-day :-)
[09:56] <wolfger> You've hopefully read the page on the tools involved, right?
[09:56] <shingie> I have watched some videos but I just dont know how to start
[09:56] <wolfger> Got a Launchpad account, installed dholbach's package, etc?
[09:57] <shingie> yes i do have a launchpad account
[09:58] <shingie> which dholbach's package?
[09:59] <wolfger> the actual 5-a-day app
[10:00] <wolfger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/5-A-Day
[10:02] <wolfger> that link tells you all you need to know about 5-a-day. Then you probably also want to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[10:02] <shingie> wolfger: just checking out the link
[10:03] <wolfger> I won't be on IRC much longer. If you have further questions that don't get answered here, feel free to e-mail me @gmail.com
[10:07] <shingie> wolfger: thanks for your help. I am just going thru the staff at the moment. I am very keen on helping out. I am a professional developer and my goal is to finally move onto the development side of bugs.
[10:08] <shingie> wolfger: but for now I will take small steps at a time, i mean not to overload myself with too much information to an extent og getting confused.
[10:10] <wolfger> the biggest thing, I think, is just learning the process... The wiki is a bounty of information, but there's an awful lot to take in. The cool thing is that you can just learn one small bit and dive in there. Learn the rest as you go
[10:11] <wolfger> hope to see you on the stats page. ;-)
[10:16] <shingie> wolfger: i will be there soon
[13:57] <thomas_> Hi
[13:58] <thomas_> Where do I need to register?
[13:58] <thomas_> Am I connected?
[13:58] <thomas_> If so to whome or what?
[13:59] <thomas_> Am I a donkey in my own monologue?
[14:00] <thomas_> Hi Geser
[14:00] <thomas_> Can you read me?
[14:01] <dholbach> hi thomas_, you're connected alright
[14:01] <thomas_> Oh thanks
[14:02] <thomas_> I have never used IRC before
[14:03] <dholbach> thomas_: are you looking for anything particular?
[14:03] <thomas_> Anyway, I am refered to this place by Hew.
[14:03] <thomas_> Yes sorry, I am looking for the last name.
[14:03] <thomas_> Anyway, I cannot use the gpg thing
[14:04] <thomas_> I do have ssh key.
[14:04] <dholbach> Hew does not seem to be on irc.freenode.net
[14:04] <thomas_> No prob
[14:04] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/~hew
[14:04] <thomas_> I would like to help out with Jaunty
[14:04] <dholbach> there's Hew's details
[14:04] <thomas_> But as I cannot sign the code of conduct
[14:05] <dholbach> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[14:05] <thomas_> I do not know what to do..
[14:05] <thomas_> Yes Daniel, I have read that
[14:05] <thomas_> The problem is that the email is not coming true
[14:06] <thomas_> I just talked to Canonical support
[14:06] <thomas_> They are waiting for the server logs ...
[14:06] <thomas_> Anyway
[14:06] <dholbach> what do you mea n by "email is not coming true"?
[14:06] <thomas_> I am now runnin Jaunty
[14:07] <thomas_> I am not getting it
[14:07] <dholbach> ah ok
[14:07] <thomas_> It is that simple as it is weird
[14:07] <dholbach> did you talk to the folks in #launchpad
[14:07] <dholbach> ?
[14:07] <thomas_> I can get all other emails
[14:07] <thomas_> No
[14:07] <dholbach> try that
[14:07] <thomas_> I will try that
[14:07] <dholbach> rock on
[14:07] <thomas_> Thanks for that
[14:07] <dholbach> np
[14:07] <thomas_> Cheers mate
[14:08] <dholbach> :)
[14:16] <kiko_> hey dholbach
[14:16] <dholbach> hiya kiko_
[14:16] <kiko_> I have a user on #launchpad that says you sent him over to us
[14:16] <kiko_> how can I help him?
[14:17] <dholbach> he said he could not sign the CoC
[14:17] <dholbach> that he did not receive the email
[14:18] <dholbach> kiko_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/79320/ was the conversation we had
[14:18] <ogra> you should have told him that IRC is capable of handling two channels at the same time :P
[14:19] <BUGabundo_work> LOL
[15:01] <bddebian> Boo
[15:01] <jjesse> don't cry i didn't mean to scare you
[15:01] <bddebian> :)
[15:12] <BUGabundo_work> bddebian: :)
[15:27] <Ursinha> hi all
[15:27] <Ursinha> there is an user on #launchpad asking about assigning a bug to hardy-backports
[15:28] <Ursinha> is that correct to set "also affects project" and then choose hardy-backports for that?
[15:30] <greg-g> seems like this page suggests to create a new clean bug with the relevant information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages
[15:30] <greg-g> either way, I would tell them to follow that guide
[15:31] <Ursinha> nice, thanks greg-g
[15:31] <Ursinha> and thanks james_w
[15:31] <Ursinha> :)
[15:31] <greg-g> Ursinha: no problem
[19:02] <stelt> if you comment on a closed bug, will people notice ?
[19:04] <ivoks> surbscribed people - yes
[21:08] <Bit_Breaker> hllo
[21:09] <Bit_Breaker> * hello
[21:09] <Bit_Breaker> i have no sound in my Ubuntu 8.10 Laptop
[21:09] <Bit_Breaker> i tried restarting alsa-utils. Still no sound
[21:10] <tcole> checked that everything is turned on in alsamixer?
[21:15] <Bit_Breaker> System > Preference > sound correct?
[21:15] <Bit_Breaker> everything is checked
[21:16] <Bit_Breaker> !pastebin
[21:17] <Bit_Breaker> i found this in my system log
[21:17] <Bit_Breaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/79497/
[21:28] <hwilde> last chance before reinstall... anybody know why this is failing reference two different kernels ? http://pastie.org/329186
[21:29] <bdmurray> Do you have enough free space?
[21:31] <hwilde> seriously?
[21:32] <Bit_Breaker> hwilde: its possible
[21:33] <hwilde> hold on not my system
[21:33] <hwilde> lefix, are you out of diskspace
[21:33] <Bit_Breaker> did u do the auto-remove also?
[21:33] <lefix> no should i pastebin?
[21:33] <hwilde> just run "df -ha"
[21:33] <hwilde> is use at 100%
[21:34]  * hwilde stares at lefix
[21:34] <Bit_Breaker> can anyone help me with my sound issue
[21:34] <Bit_Breaker> cd
[21:34] <lefix> no
[21:34] <Bit_Breaker> oops
[21:35] <hwilde> lefix, I am out of usggestions.  maybe bdmurray or Bit_Breaker  can think of something for you to try since you don't want to reinstall
[21:35] <lefix> cant be, i ve got 2 * 500 gig
[21:36] <lefix> no im going to reinstall the system
[21:36] <Bit_Breaker> no!! please dont reinstall
[21:36] <lefix> whoot?
[21:36] <Bit_Breaker> lets see if we can help you
[21:36] <Bit_Breaker> lol
[21:36] <lefix> kk
[21:37] <Bit_Breaker> try auto removing the items requested and performing pkg install again
[21:37] <maco> Bit_Breaker: #ubuntu-audio-help later in the evening, maybe?
[21:37] <lefix> ok you speak englisch right? for me it would be easier telling you this in german but its ok when i try it in englisch
[21:37] <lefix> but i have to tell you i m really not a pro
[21:38] <Bit_Breaker> ok.. sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:38] <Bit_Breaker> then sudo apt-get install <package>
[21:38] <hwilde> lefix, just run the commands they tell you and pastebin the output
[21:39] <Bit_Breaker> :-)
[21:39] <hwilde> Bit_Breaker, did you read the pastebin above
[21:39] <hwilde> he can't apt-get upgrade
[21:39] <hwilde> there are conflicting kernels
[21:39] <Bit_Breaker> yes
[21:39] <hwilde> lefix, good luck
[21:40] <lefix> sudo apt-get install <package> but which package?
[21:40] <Bit_Breaker> hold on a sec, can u do this uname -r
[21:40] <bdmurray> You probably want the one from -updates, the -proposed kernel is for testing
[21:42] <lefix> http://pastie.org/329209 <- sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:42] <Bit_Breaker> =-O
[21:42] <bdmurray> lefix: Why have you enabled -proposed?
[21:43] <lefix> ? dont know what you mean
[21:43] <Bit_Breaker> ok this is getting beyond me?
[21:43] <Bit_Breaker> whats is enabled proposed?
[21:43] <bdmurray> Get:1 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-proposed/main linux-image-2.6.27-10-generic 2.6.27-10.20 [23.4MB]
[21:44] <lefix> are you talking to me? or asking to me?
[21:45] <bdmurray> I am asking why you have enabled that pocket of Intrepid.
[21:45] <lefix> i dont know why proposed is enabled i m using ubuntu since version 8.10
[21:45] <maco> Bit_Breaker: enabled -proposed means in the Software Sources you told it to allow the Proposed repository...it's the one where updates go for testing
[21:46] <bdmurray> Okay, I would recommend turning it off
[21:46] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[21:46] <Bit_Breaker> whoa!! god stuff
[21:46] <Bit_Breaker> *good
[21:46] <bdmurray> Doing the opposite of what that says should disable it.
[21:46] <bdmurray> Well, the opposite of the first screenshot.
[21:47] <Bit_Breaker> bdmurray: how could u tell from the pastebin
[21:48] <bdmurray> Bit_Breaker: line 25
[21:48] <lefix> the opposite of the ubuntu software or what?
[21:48] <bdmurray> Uncheck "Proposed updates" in the Updates tab
[21:49] <lefix> do you mean pre-released updates (intrepid-proposed) ?
[21:50] <bdmurray> Yes, it seems that screenshot needs updating ;-)
[21:51] <Bit_Breaker> =-O @ line 25
[21:51] <lefix> ok hwile told me to check it, because he wanted to test something
[21:52] <lefix> ok well, now important security updates (intrepid-security) and recommended updates (intrepid-updates) are checked, is that right?
[21:53] <lefix> or better should it be like this?
[21:53] <bdmurray> Enabling -security and -updates is standard, so try that.
[21:54] <maco> lefix: by which he means, "yes"
[21:54] <lefix> message: "The information about available software is out-of-date
[21:54] <lefix> To install software and updates from newly added or changed sources, you have to reload the information about available software.
[21:54] <lefix> You need a working internet connection to continue."
[21:54] <lefix> reload or close?
[21:55] <bdmurray> reload
[21:56] <lefix> message "You have 2 broken packages on your system!
[21:56] <lefix> Use the "Broken" filter to locate them."
[21:56] <maco> its referring to Synaptic
[21:57] <lefix> what should i do now?
[22:00] <maco> since i dont know how to use synaptic, I'm going to say run "sudo apt-get update" in a terminal and see what two packages it says are broken
[22:01] <bdmurray> With Synapic you can click on the "Custom Filters" button and choose "Broken" to see which packages are broken.
[22:01] <lefix> and how do i use synaptic?
[22:02] <maco> system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[22:02] <bdmurray> You can find it in System -> Administration
[22:02] <maco> it's the graphical package installation thing
[22:03] <maco> (yes, that's a technical term)
[22:04] <lefix> and what do you want to know? Package ans installed verison, latest version. description or only one of them i mentioned?
[22:05] <bdmurray> The package name may be sufficient
[22:06] <maco> bdmurray: are you using jaunty? and do you use evolution? i want to see if this UI bug still exists in jaunty
[22:06] <maco> you know, before i try to fix it
[22:06] <lefix> linux-image-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-10-generic
[22:07] <bdmurray> maco: I don't use evolution
[22:08] <bdmurray> lefix: if you right click on the package name what are your options?
[22:08] <maco> bdmurray: ok
[22:09] <lefix> Mark for Removal Mark for complete removal and properties, did you mean this?
[22:10] <bdmurray> Yes, marking them for removal should be safe and resolve the issue after applying the changes.
[22:11] <lefix> ok i marked them, and now?
[22:11] <maco> Apply
[22:12] <lefix> ok do you want me to paste the information in the apply ("Summary") ?
[22:12] <bdmurray> Sure, we can double check it.
[22:13] <lefix> ok one moment pls
[22:14] <lefix> apply the following ... ... details: linux-generic will be removed
[22:14] <lefix> linux-image-generic will be removed
[22:14] <lefix> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-10-generic will be removed
[22:14] <lefix> linux-restricted-modules-generic will be removed
[22:15] <lefix> Summary: 4 packages will be removed 2318 KB of extra space will be freed 0 B have to be downloaded and then a checkbos with the text "Download package files only)
[22:15] <lefix> is this ok like this?
[22:15] <bdmurray> That sounds find and then right after that we should do an update to get packages -updates
[22:16] <lefix> ok following process running: removing software
[22:17] <lefix> update manager tells crash report detected
[22:17] <lefix> window with message: " An Error occurred E: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-10-generic: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1"
[22:22] <lefix> ok now changes applied "not all changes and updates succeeded. For further details of the failure, pleas expand the 'terminal' panel below.
[22:22] <lefix> but i can not copy the 'terminal' content
[22:24] <lefix> what further steps should i do?
[22:25] <bdmurray> Are there still any packages listed with the broken filter?
[22:26] <lefix> at first do you want the content from the 'terminal' may i screeshot and upload it or easily close it?
[22:28] <bdmurray> Why don't you take a screenshot but not upload it yet.  We should be able to find the information elsewhere if we need it.
[22:29] <Bit_Breaker> is there a fix for my sould issue
[22:29] <Bit_Breaker> *sound
[22:29] <lefix> one is listed: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-10-generic
[22:32] <bdmurray> lefix: let's try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' after closing synaptic
[22:33] <lefix> http://pastie.org/329272
[22:36] <lefix> ok and now?
[22:40] <bdmurray> lefix: I'm not quite certain.  What was you original problem before the kernel installation issue?
[22:43] <lefix> graphical bugs and when i started compiz fusion my system begann to lagg extremely later i reckognized that i cant disable my statup sound (system>Preferences>Sound)
[22:43] <lefix> the sound preferences window does not open
[22:43] <lefix> yes and the update manager crash report
[22:47] <lefix> any idea for the problems solution?
[22:48] <lefix> when i look at my watch its late here and i have to stand up early tomorrow ...
[22:48] <bdmurray> I'm sorry I don't have any other ideas at the moment
[22:49] <lefix> would you suggest reinstalling the system is the best alternative?
[22:50] <bdmurray> that really shouldn't be necessary
[22:51] <lefix> yeah i know
[22:51] <lefix> maybe i ll be here tomorrow again, i hope somebody could help me
[22:52] <lefix> then
[22:52] <lefix> bdmurray: what if we use / reinstall an older kernel?
[22:53] <bdmurray> if you could paste your full /var/log/apt/term.log that may help
[22:53] <bdmurray> well, that doesn't explain the totem package error we saw
[22:53] <lefix> ah ok
[22:54] <lefix> sry but there is no term.log
[22:56] <lefix> ive got a folder partial; linux-image-2.6.27-9-generic_2.6.27-9.19_i386.deb;  linux-image-2.6.27-10-generic_2.6.27-10.20_i386.deb and lock
[22:56] <lefix> what does this mean if there is no term.log?
[22:59] <lefix> bdmurray what does it mean, when the term.log is missing?
[22:59] <bdmurray> is there a term.log.1.gz in /var/log/apt/ ?
[23:00] <lefix> only what i wrote to you
[23:00] <lefix> folder "partial"
[23:00] <lefix> linux-image-2.6.27-9-generic_2.6.27-9.19_i386.deb
[23:00] <lefix>  linux-image-2.6.27-10-generic_2.6.27-10.20_i386.deb
[23:00] <lefix> and lock
[23:01] <lefix> no damit im a idiot
[23:01] <bdmurray> Is that /var/cache/apt/ ?
[23:01] <lefix> sry
[23:01] <lefix> god damn
[23:03] <lefix> ok how do i open term.log
[23:03] <lefix> sorry
[23:04] <bdmurray> You need to be root to read it so 'sudo gedit' might work
[23:04] <maco> gksudo
[23:05] <maco> we're not supposed to tell people to use sudo with graphical, i thought
[23:05] <bdmurray> okay, I personally would use sudo vi but that seemed inaccessible
[23:06] <maco> heh, im with you on that
[23:06] <maco> i said on gnome's usability list that as a vim user, i do keeping a "jump to front/end of paragraph" shortcut in gedit as a usaful thing
[23:07]  * maco waits for packages to build for jaunty users to test
[23:08] <lefix> http://pastie.org/329293
[23:10] <maco> wow, evolution takes a long time to build
[23:10] <lefix> is this what you wanted?
[23:10] <hggdh> yes... and patches after patches after patches
[23:11] <bdmurray> lefix: yes, line 8-12 are the issue probably
[23:11] <maco> hggdh: that at me?
[23:11] <lefix> bdmurray does this log could help?
[23:12] <hggdh> maco, yes
[23:12]  * maco checks the Tasks part of evolution. pretty sure there's another patch i need to package up and get testers for
[23:13] <bdmurray> lefix: the output of dmesg would be interesting too
[23:13] <maco> er...i dont want to figure out bzr-buildpackage. i'll just tell people to try the bzr
[23:15] <hggdh> maco, are you building Evo in PPA? If so, what level
[23:15] <hggdh> ?
[23:15] <hggdh> cuz then I can stop with my builds
[23:17] <maco> hggdh: i dont know what "what level" means. i'm building it for jaunty, to fix a minor UI bug that's annoying me.
[23:17] <maco> and yes, in a PPA
[23:17] <hggdh> I have been building it on Intrepid and Hardy
[23:17] <maco> the amd64 and lpia builds have been in-progress for about 20 minutes. i386 is pending
[23:18] <hggdh> yes, evo takes a long time. eds is faster
[23:18] <lefix> http://phpfi.com/384372
[23:18] <hggdh> (right now I am building trunk locally)
[23:19] <lefix> bdmurray: theres something i dont understand, why theres always " /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.27-9-generic_2.6.27-9.19_i386.deb
[23:19] <lefix> " why does it not use the following:
[23:20] <lefix>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.27-9-generic_2.6.27-9.20_i386.deb
[23:20] <lefix>  ("the 20 one" mean 2.6.27.9.20)
[23:21] <maco> because -9 is the build number
[23:21] <maco> 2.6.27.9 could be an actual upstream kernel
[23:21] <maco> well, not exactly teh build number. the ABI number...
[23:22] <maco> that -9.20 increments in some way with each build. if there's an ABI change (ex: you need to install new nvidia drivers), then the 9 changes. if not, the 20 changes.
[23:22] <maco> there's a less-simplified explanation of ABI available, but i forget it
[23:23] <lefix> do you have any explanation for this topic?
[23:24] <maco> huh? i thought you were asking why they're numbered that way
[23:25] <maco> since you suggested 2.6.27.9.20
[23:26] <lefix> i dont know for what those numbers are standing so i was irritated
[23:27] <maco> well, now you have an explanation
[23:27] <lefix> but i dont understand it sorry
[23:27] <maco> oh
[23:27] <maco> ok well 2.6.27 is the upstream kernel the ubuntu kernel is based on
[23:28] <lefix> i told you that im not a pro, i use ubuntu since the 8.10 version
[23:28] <maco> each time ubuntu modifies the kernel and builds it and puts out a new one for your updates, the -9.20 part changes. if you need to reinstall 3rd-party drivers, they let you know that by changing the 9 to a bigger number. if you don't, they only change that 20 part.
[23:28] <lefix> ok what does the upstream kernel can do or what is his function
[23:28] <maco> the kernel is what does all the talking to the hardware
[23:29] <lefix> ok so its a identification list for updates
[23:29] <lefix> right?
[23:29] <lefix> "list"
[23:30] <maco> hm? the -9.20 is an identifier for what version of ubuntu's kernel it is
[23:30] <maco> and it's most relevant when updating, yeah. or when filing bugs.
[23:30] <lefix> yes ok now i understand
[23:30] <lefix> but the bug will not be fixed this evening
[23:30] <lefix> i think
[23:31] <maco> right, that can take time
[23:31] <pckchem> Do you understand what "upstream" means?
[23:31] <lefix> yes
[23:31] <pckchem> Ok, just from glancing I thought that might have been where a problem was.
[23:33] <lefix> its the connection the kernel build to the update server i think, downstream is what i need when i want something from a server and a upstream is what i for example put on my webspace the upload, am i right?
[23:36] <pckchem> Not quite. The "Upstream" is the direct developer for a particular package that may be included "downstream" in Ubuntu. For example, the Mozilla Foundation is the upstream for the Firefox web browser.
[23:37] <lefix> ok
[23:37] <pckchem> Sometimes the "upstream" version of a program may be different because Ubuntu changed it "downstream". The kernel is a good example.
[23:37] <lefix> ah ok
[23:38] <lefix> but i go to bed now, thanks for all the information you gave to me and the time you spend searching for a solution
[23:39] <pckchem> np
[23:39] <lefix> i will soon come back and perhaps there you can help me fixing my system
[23:40] <lefix> cya