[00:00] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I have a windows vista laptop, but I tried ubuntu with wubi and instantly loved it
[00:00] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> the problem is, for whatever reason, things don't run all of a sudden
[00:00] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> the system freezes when I try running nearly any program
[00:01] <TheMuso> What OS are you having freezes in?
[00:01] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> ubuntu
[00:01] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Vista's fine
[00:02] <TheMuso> Have you checked your windows filesystem for errors?
[00:02] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> and I think it's because I shrank the C:/ drive by the maximum to make room, but it might have been that it also took away from my ubuntu partition
[00:02] <TheMuso> Wubi installs Ubuntu onto your windows partition into a couple of bi files.
[00:03] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Well it doesn't really matter because my main concern, right now, is trying to get ubuntu istalled as my PRIMARY OS
[00:03] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> BUT
[00:04] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I still need access to windows on hand
[00:04] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I have my toshiba disk that I use to reformat my hard drive
[00:04] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> If I get buntu as my main browser, and I for whatever reason had to change back to vista, could I simply run the disk and re install vista?
[00:05] <TheMuso> Ok, so do you have Ubuntu installed onto its own partition, or is it still installed on your windows partition?
[00:05] <TheMuso> Yes your recovery disk should completely format your drive and install WIndows again.
[00:05] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> OK
[00:05] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> So now, my question is I've heard that the latest stable versoin, 8.10, has NOTHING on it
[00:06] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I'm not 100% clear on the command prompt, what would you suggest I do to prepare for the switch and then how would I make the transition?
[00:07] <TheMuso> What do you mean it has nothign on it?
[00:07] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I've heard it doesn't even have an internet browser
[00:08] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Is that true?
[00:09] <TheMuso> Well whoever told you that has there facts incorrect. It has a web browser, word processor, email client, and thats only a few applications that are available.
[00:10] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> oh ok
[00:10] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> so now, what would I do to make this transition
[00:11] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Are there any good articles you suggest I read to give me some information on what I'm getting myself into?
[00:11] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> What I should do after it installs?
[00:11] <TheMuso> What you need to do, is make sure you have enough unpartitioned space on your hard disk to install Ubuntu. You then need to boo the desktop CD, and run the installer, and it will guide you to installing Ubuntu into that unpartitioned space.
[00:11] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Antivirus software needed?
[00:11] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> well
[00:11] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> u,
[00:11] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> how do I modify partitions?
[00:11] <TheMuso> Antivirus software shouldn't be needed.
[00:12] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> how do I modify partitions?
[00:12] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> and what are partitions?
[00:12] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> and what is a repository
[00:12] <TheMuso> You said you resized your windows drive. What did you use to do that?
[00:12] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> shrink disk volume
[00:12] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> it was the C drive
[00:13] <TheMuso> What program did you use to do that?
[00:13] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> but I don't want windows at all
[00:13] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I don't know
[00:13] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> it was on my computer already
[00:13] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> like, right click computer, managemenet
[00:13] <TheMuso> Oh ok. If you don't want windows at all, just insert the Ubuntu CD, boot from it, and run the installer. The installer should give you an option to use your entire hard disk.
[00:14] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> OK and also
[00:14] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> where do I get a disk for that
[00:14] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Do I have to buy one?
[00:14] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> IF so, where?
[00:14] <TheMuso> and a repository is a resource where software packages are downloaded from.
[00:14] <TheMuso> Did you keep the iso file that you downloaded when you tried out wubi?
[00:14] <TheMuso> An iso file is an image of a CD.
[00:14] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I believe
[00:15] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I just had a exe
[00:15] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I don't think I had a iso
[00:15] <TheMuso> Ok. You need to go to www.ubuntu.com, and follow the download link.
[00:16] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso correct?
[00:17] <TheMuso> Yes.
[00:17] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> OK and what are the most important things you think I should know before I begin using strictly ubuntu?
[00:19] <TheMuso> I suggest you go and have a look around help.ubuntu.com to get more information to help you do what you want with your install.
[00:19] <TheMuso> Anyway, this channel is really for development work, and I have to go for a while, although I will still be here in this channel.
[00:20] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Wait
[00:20] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> one more question
[00:20] <TheMuso> Make it quick.
[00:20] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> When I get linux, is there any way I will be able to run things like sony vegas?
[00:20] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> I've heard if I install it to a CD then load it live, it should work
[00:21] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> Will the same work for other .exe files?
[00:21] <TheMuso> No its not possible unless you install the wine package. Now I have to go.
[00:21] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> OK thanks a lot for your time
[00:21] <jjjjjjjdawwwwg> :D
[00:21] <TheMuso> And even then wine may not be able to run the program you want.
[00:24] <TheMuso> oh and don't forget to back your data up before wiping windows over with ubuntu
[07:13] <tjaalton> so, there's no multipath-modules available in ubuntu?
[09:06] <soren> You really need multipath in the installer?
[09:53] <tjaalton> soren: yes
[09:53] <tjaalton> the ubuntu kernel already has those modules, so multipath-udeb should not depend on multipath-modules
[09:54] <tjaalton> soren: I've got a nice HP BL460c blade to boot from the SAN :9
[09:54] <tjaalton> :)
[09:55] <tjaalton> having no local disks allows taking instant snapshots from the system, which is nice
[09:57] <tjaalton> soren: of course I can install it using /dev/sda and configure multipath later, but it's more work
[09:58] <soren> Hmm.. Yes, I suppose you're right.
[10:03] <tjaalton> hum, reminds me of bug 182009
[10:04] <tjaalton> it also fails when installed during pkgsel
[10:05] <tjaalton> because there is no modules.dep
[10:05] <tjaalton> yet anyway
[10:05] <tjaalton> and that's an ubuntu change
[10:05] <tjaalton> to modprobe it
[10:13] <soren> Hmm... That's true. I never tested it in the installer.
[10:14] <tjaalton> I'll upload a fixed package
[10:14] <tjaalton> it'll modprobe only if modules.dep and the module is present
[10:32] <tjaalton> soren: does http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/multipath-tools.debdiff look sane?
[10:42] <tjaalton> hum, I'll test it on hardy :)
[11:45] <soren> tjaalton: At a glance, it looks fine.
[11:57] <tjaalton> soren: thanks, I'll test it and upload
[12:04] <tjaalton> cjwatson: do you know if partman-multipath should be functional, and what it actually does?
[18:47] <cjwatson> tjaalton: no work done on it so it might well not work; you'd need to get the kernel team to create multipath-modules
[18:48] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, you said it's built-in?
[18:48] <cjwatson> might just need to be promoted to main then
[18:48] <cjwatson> tjaalton: I don't know what it does and am on holiday
[18:59] <tjaalton> cjwatson: heh, ok. enjoy
[18:59] <tjaalton> partman-multipath doesn't seem to do anything currently
[18:59] <tjaalton> at least I didn't notice any changes with it
[19:01] <cjwatson> well, I'd recommend starting by reading the source ...
[19:01] <tjaalton> I did, but something seems to missing since I can't see anything in /dev/mapper
[19:02] <tjaalton> maybe just backporting multipath-udeb and partman-multipath to hardy isn't enough
[19:03] <tjaalton> anyway, I'll test jaunty too
[19:33] <cjwatson> tjaalton: partman's interfaces have changed from hardy to now; the backport may not be all that straightforward
[19:34] <cjwatson> and it may even not be possible without changing the partman core
[19:38] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok, that's encouraging, that it might even work with jaunty then :)
[20:36] <CIA-61> ubiquity: evand * r2953 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control): (log message trimmed)
[20:36] <CIA-61> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[20:36] <CIA-61> ubiquity: 1.86ubuntu8, choose-mirror 2.27ubuntu1, clock-setup 0.97ubuntu1,
[20:36] <CIA-61> ubiquity: console-setup 1.28ubuntu3, debian-installer-utils 1.65ubuntu1, grub-
[20:36] <CIA-61> ubiquity: installer 1.35ubuntu4, hw-detect 1.70ubuntu3, localechooser
[20:36] <CIA-61> ubiquity: 2.08ubuntu1, partconf 1.30, partman-auto 83ubuntu1, partman-base
[20:36] <CIA-61> ubiquity: 128ubuntu2, partman-basicfilesystems 62ubuntu1, partman-basicmethods
[22:14] <superm1> ah does that mean ubiquity is working in jaunty? :)