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soothI can't get prevu to find a package I previously built using prevu. I have added "deb file:/var/cache/pbuilder/hardy-debs ./" to my sources.list and can confirm that the pacakge is there with version number "0.12.4-0ubuntu1~8.04prevu1_i386r" (prevu complains about not finding >=0.12.4). What could I be doing wrong?01:21
Elbrussooth: you shoul create a proper Release file, see for example http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/01:29
Elbruss/shoul/should01:29
soothI'm looking to fix my prevu setup not create an alternate one01:30
soothFixed it. I needed to run prevu-update.02:23
soothThe truth is, when all is said and done, one does not teach a subject, one teaches a student how to learn it.  --Jacques Barzun02:24
sooth 02:24
sooth 02:24
sooth/quit02:24
soothThe truth is, when all is said and done, one does not teach a subject,02:24
soothone teaches a student how to learn it.  --Jacques Barzun02:24
sooth 02:24
ajmitchtrying to be profound doesn't always work there...02:25
jdongajmitch: particularly when the IRC client sucks at line breaks.02:25
jdongThe truth is, when all is said and done, I FREAKING SPENT SIX HOURS WRITING PREVU DOCUMENTATION ON THE WIKI FOR A REASON02:26
jdong*breathes heavily*02:26
nixternalnxvl: I fixed my blog post, thanks for that heads up02:35
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* ScottK-laptop runs lintian on the .deb for the new lintian he just installed to test said lintian for backporting.02:52
ScottK-laptop;-)02:52
* Elbrus is happy, because his package winff finally installs in ubuntu (via debian), but now want to change something for ubuntu03:04
ElbrusShould I just supply a debdiff patch in LP? or put the changed package in REVU?03:04
ElbrusScottK-laptop: I just got a warning from lintian when I ran it with "--color=always" in jaunty: Use of uninitialized value $_ in split at /usr/share/perl/5.10/Term/ANSIColor.pm line 121.03:12
Elbrusdo you want me to file the bug?03:12
ScottK-laptopElbrus: Do you have a Debian chroot you can  try it in?03:13
Elbruspdebuild03:14
ScottK-laptopIf you could replicate it in Debian, then I think you should file a bug in Debian BTS.03:14
ScottK-laptopVirtually all Lintian work is done in Debian.03:14
ElbrusScottK-laptop: ok, I'll test03:15
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jdongdear universe, do I want to replace Ubuntu with Fedora 10 for a few days on my Macbook for fun?04:07
ScottK-laptopjdong: After you merge mlt and mlt++, sure.04:10
Hobbseeprobably not04:10
jdongit's been well over a year since I've seriously ran another distro04:11
jdongI'm gonna first do a deep rsyncing for an eventual 10-minute restore job04:11
TheMusojdong: Do you use the applesmc module by any chance?04:45
jdongTheMuso: not really; I did stare at temp readings before, but recently I havne't found much use for it04:46
TheMusojdong: Good because I don't use it either, as it eats battery life.04:52
TheMusoAt least on my MacBookPro 4,1.04:52
jdongTheMuso: so it's not just my imagination.04:53
jdongI've noticed an extra watt of power draw with it probed in.04:53
jdongwithout it I can idle at 11.9W04:53
jdongand this is a non-SR macbook too, so I don't even have your FSB-clocking magic.04:53
TheMusojdong: Yeah, its not using interrupts, its constantly polling.04:53
jdongwow, I didn't know that.04:54
TheMusoThe only reason why I'd like to have it loaded is for the hard drive protection that is available in some patches I've seen floating around.04:55
TheMusojdong: You ever been able to get battery estimates simlar to what OS X can offer?04:57
jdongTheMuso: no, I'm still close to an hour off04:57
jdongOS X idles at about 8000mA-9000mA04:57
jdongwhich corresponds to a bit under the 10W mark04:58
TheMusojdong: Right, which means it likely throttles down even further.04:58
jdongwith that, it's able to offer me 5hr estimates with screen and wifi on04:58
jdongyeah it's doing something that I'm not doing in Ubuntu04:58
jdongand I've got a custom kernel with AHCI hackery too04:58
TheMusoWhy do you need that custom kernel?04:58
jdongthe EFI puts the ICH7 southbridge in ata_piix compatibility mode04:59
jdongi.e. no AHCI, no ALPM04:59
* TheMuso is lucky he can reduce his screen brightness, or even turn the backlight off completely in order to increase battery life.04:59
jdongforcing AHCI to be used and enabling ALPM results in saving another 0.5W or so04:59
TheMusoAnd your kernel makes linux use AHCI natively?04:59
TheMusoNice04:59
TheMusoHow do you do that?04:59
jdongyeah, hack.04:59
jdongon this macbook it's just a matter of adding the PCI ID of the SATA controller to ahci.c05:00
jdongremoving it from ata_piix.c05:00
TheMusoA good reason to get Linux to boot from efi natively then.05:00
jdongbut that does *NOT* work univerally05:00
TheMusoRight.05:00
jdongin fact the same method on my SR iMac panics it at boot05:00
TheMusoLovely.,05:00
TheMusoBut desktops are not soo much of a concern.05:00
jdongthere's a magic bit somewhere you can write in PCI config dataspace that punts the controller back to AHCI05:00
TheMusoSince there is no battery.05:00
jdongwell the iMac "desktop" is nothing more than a vertically mounted laptop ;-)05:00
jdongICH8M05:00
TheMusoYep.05:00
TheMusoHrm that config stuff sounds like it would be useful.05:01
jdongyeah, I didn't look too much into it05:01
jdongsomeone has a GRUB stage2 hack for doing this to the Mac Pro05:01
TheMusoIs there a patch floating around anywhere?05:01
jdongwhere it's needed to enable half the SATA ports05:01
* TheMuso nods.05:01
jdongI'm sure with a bit of reading of the Intel specs it's not too hard to adapt that patch for the ICH8M used in Santa Rosa05:01
TheMusoIt would be good to get something useful into Ubuntu to benefit all.05:02
jdongyeah, though my conversations with mjg59 on this have mostly ended with no good resolution05:02
TheMusoAs I'd love to run the controller in AHCI as well, but I don't like making changes unless I can include the change in a sane way that can be pushed into Ubuntu proper.05:02
jdongthe bottom line seems to be that he's not comfortable with any of the ugly hacks to kick the controller back into AHCI mode05:02
jdongi.e. it'd have some ugly effects on other AHCI chipsets05:02
TheMusoRight, thats my thought as well.05:02
jdongand the "proper fix" would of course to have Apple stop kicking the controller into PIIX mode05:02
jdongI totally believe his word on this stuff :)05:03
TheMusoYeah, or linux booting from efi natively.05:03
TheMusoSo do I.05:03
jdonghttp://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=832852105:03
jdongsee that thread, and the reply that links to another thread05:03
jdonga bit of link traversal will bring you to the GRUB patch05:03
jdongit's for the 268{0,1,2} series controllers, my iMac has the 28xx series controller05:04
jdonganother benefit of AHCI mode is NCQ -- anything to help Linux's IO response lately is a welcome change :)05:04
* TheMuso nods.05:05
jdongI'd be curious what it takes to EFI boot these machines05:06
jdongfrom what I understand it is the BIOS emulation part of the firmware that does these things05:06
TheMusoYeah, the other issue is video cards/drivers, the nvidia drivers wouldn't work because they need a BIOS.05:07
jdongah, interesting, I didn't know that05:07
TheMusoYeah I read that somewhere.05:09
TheMusoCan't remember where though.05:09
TheMusoProbably on the refit website.05:09
ScottK-laptopAny idea do we really need a sylpheed package and a sylpheed-gtk1 package, both?05:11
TheMusojdong: Ouch, it also seems the drive in Linux under legacy IDE mode doesn't allow for DMA. :S05:14
jdongTheMuso: eep, really? I seem to have DMA working here on my iMac. I think.05:18
TheMusojdong: And your imac is not using ahci05:19
jdongthat's correct05:19
TheMusoI just tried sudo hdparm -d /dev/sda and I got an error on my mbp.05:19
* TheMuso is going to try a kernel with an ahci hack.05:19
slytherinsebner: Congratulations. :-)05:58
dholbachgood morning05:59
slytherindholbach: Good morning. :-)06:02
dholbachhi slytherin!06:03
tonyyarussoCould anyone check out http://paste.ubuntu.com/78607/ and see if there's anything that jumps out at them?  Trying to figure out why it's crashing/hanging.06:31
dholbachhi iulian06:34
dholbachtonyyarusso: can you type "bt full" and pastebin that?06:37
tonyyarussodholbach: at what stage would that be done?06:42
dholbachtonyyarusso: when you attached gdb to the process, just type it in06:43
tonyyarussodholbach: wait, isn't that what I just did?  (See line 296)06:43
dholbachno06:43
tonyyarussooh06:43
dholbachyou get the bt for all threads06:43
dholbachand you don't include "full" which includes local variables, etc06:44
iulianGood morning dholbach.06:44
tonyyarussodholbach: So, immediately after attach, or after continue?06:45
dholbachafter continue06:45
dholbach"c" works too :)06:45
tonyyarussonice06:46
dholbachoh sorry06:46
dholbachyou did06:46
dholbachsorry06:46
* dholbach should get another coffee06:46
tonyyarussohah.  So I'm not crazy...  Well, I am, but not this way.06:46
dholbachexcuser-moi :)06:47
dholbachtonyyarusso: could it be this: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2339056&group_id=170132&atid=853122 ?06:59
ubottuSourceforge bug 2339056 "KompoZer crashes with GTK 2.14" [Pri: 9,Open]06:59
dholbachthe duplicates talk quite a bit about "drop down menu" and "submenu", etc07:00
tonyyarussodholbach: That is the suspicion, yes.07:01
dholbachkompozer does not seem very active07:01
dholbachthe last checkin in SVN is 14 months old07:01
tonyyarussoYeah, although he seems to be doing something outside of that SVN repo07:02
dholbachgreat :)07:03
didrocksmorning o/07:04
ScottKsebner: Congratulations.07:10
Hobbseedholbach: please see my comment on your blog, if you haven't already07:22
dholbachHobbsee: I did - I was just busy with a few other things07:22
dholbachHobbsee: you could have just sent it out yourself :-)))07:22
dholbachbut I'll do it in a bit07:22
dholbachthanks for the headsup07:22
Hobbseedholbach: keybuk's mails have been BCCd, it appears.07:24
Hobbseeelse I probably would have07:25
dholbachubuntu-devel@ is the best I can do07:26
dholbachI'm not going to dig out all the email addresses of the participants07:27
* Hobbsee wonders what list he was using07:27
Hobbseeguess he's still on leave.07:27
dholbach*nod*07:27
dholbachhe probably dug the out from LP or something07:27
* dholbach shrugs07:27
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_rubenwrt bug #278711 .. what would be a sane expectation as to when the package, which is now in -proposed, is to hit -updates?08:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278711 in open-vm-tools "open-vm-source doesn't build" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27871108:35
slytherin_ruben: When there are two acks that the package in proposed fixed the bug without introducing any regressions.08:43
_rubenslytherin: ic08:45
_rubenwould such acks show up in the bugreport or somewhere else?08:55
aftertafhey :)08:58
aftertafwhats the forum for the kubuntu developers?08:58
aftertaftried#kubuntu-dev but not that !!08:59
iulianaftertaf: You mean channel?08:59
aftertafyeah :)08:59
iulianIt's #kubuntu-devel08:59
aftertafforum: pfffff !08:59
aftertafthx08:59
aftertafsee if any project-neon people around ... ;)09:00
aftertaffor 4.209:00
aftertafkde09:00
* iulian -> school09:04
iulianLater!09:04
james_wcongratulations sebner10:33
directhex?10:33
directhexoh10:34
sebnerjames_w: oh thx10:34
directhexsomeone new to bully r.e. mono! ^_^10:34
sebnerdirecthex: \o/10:34
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mok0sebner, who triggered it :-)12:17
sebnermok0: you? :P12:18
mok0Who knows?12:18
nhandlersebner: Congrats on becoming a MOTU!12:18
mok0sebner: congrats!!12:18
* sebner thanks the man under the rock12:18
sebnernhandler: thx  :) you are next :D12:18
nhandlersebner: Hopefully ;)12:18
sebnernhandler: without doubts ;)12:19
* sebner hugs mok0 12:19
* mok0 hugs back12:19
lagasebner: congrats!12:26
sebnerlaga: thx thx thx12:27
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morgsI have a packaging question: My orig source includes Makefile.am and Makefile.in (generated by autogen.sh). I have a patch to apply, which patches Makefile.am. The package uses cdbs. The patch is applied, but Makefile.in isn't modified.12:53
morgsDo I (a) make another patch to patch Makefile.in, or (b) is there some trick to regenerate it?12:54
azeemautomake generates Makefile.in from Makefile.am12:55
azeemwhether or not you include that as a patch, or run automake during the build process is a matter of taste I think12:55
azeemnot sure, maybe Ubuntu has some policy on this12:55
morgsHow do I run automake in the build process?12:56
azeemlike any other program you would run in the build process12:57
azeemI'm not sure what the best practise WRT CDBS is, though12:57
azeemso maybe it is easier to just include a patch for Makefile.in as well12:58
morgsazeem: thanks12:59
sebnerhi geser =)14:09
emgentsebner: congrats :)14:19
sebnereMerzh: oh, thx to you :)14:19
sebnerargh14:20
sebnerto emgent of course ;)14:20
eMerzhsebner: you're welcome :D :D14:20
sebnerhrhr14:20
eMerzhif someone want to review my package .. feel free to comment or advocate http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman :)14:25
iulianHey sebner, congratulations. Make Ubuntu rock even better.14:34
sebneriulian: thx, you too. We count on you :)14:34
sebneriulian: Can I take libunique from you to make my first upload? ^^14:40
iuliansebner: Sure, go ahead.14:41
sebneriulian: thx =)14:41
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bugfixeshello anyone!14:58
RainCThi14:58
* RainCT grumbles something about that having a manpage should be a requisite for all executables in main :P14:58
bugfixes:) I would like to find some here to review a package I have been build14:59
bddebianHeya gang15:01
sebnerheya bddebian15:08
bddebianHeya sebner, congrats!15:11
sebnerbddebian: ah, thank you :)15:11
iulian'ey bddebian.15:17
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bddebianHello iulian15:18
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nixternalwhere can I find the multidistrotools source?15:46
nixternalnevermind, found it15:47
geserHi bddebian15:49
bddebianHeya geser15:49
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mok0what's up (down) with http://wiki.kubuntu.org ??16:49
pochusebner: congratulations! \o/17:45
kikohey18:18
kikoanyone seen fabien tassin?18:18
kikoaka fta18:18
pochukiko: he's on the channel as fta_ :)18:20
kikofta_!18:20
kikoof course. tab completion ftw18:20
pochu:-)18:20
kikoidle 7h18:20
kikowell, I'm a patient man18:21
hyperairblargh. some wise guy put Makefile.in in DISTCLEANFILES in Makefile.am. now debian/rules clean whacks out Makefile.in and build fails. what should i do?18:36
Laneypatch it out?18:38
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sebnerpochu: thx \o/ :)18:51
jpdssebner: Herzlichen Glückwunsch.18:54
jpds...or whatever you say.18:54
sebnerjpds: danke :) *thumbs up*18:55
hyperairLaney: patch it out how? all the debian/patches-style patch systems don't manage to get to it19:06
hyperairLaney: i need that particular line out of Makefile.am before debuild is called19:07
hyperairbecause debuild does a debian/rules clean first, and that clobbers my Makefile.in19:07
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ftakiko, hi19:28
fta<kiko> idle 7h <= yeah, i have a job, and a life outside of ubuntu :)19:29
jpds!lies | fta19:30
ubottufta: Mostly just statistics and mc44, but yeah.19:30
pochulife? what's that? :)19:30
jpdsErr.19:30
sebnerpochu: good question. /me has to answer such an interview question =)19:30
kikofta, yeah, me too :)19:33
ftakiko, you wanted something from me?19:35
kikofta, yes. songbird 1.0. :)19:35
kikoyou run my favorite ppa19:35
kikobut songbird is still MIA!!19:36
sebnerfta: do you plan to upload it to the archive one day?19:36
kikofta, I have t-shirts and dvds here for a songbird 1.0 in a ppa.. ;)19:36
ftakiko, yep, i was waiting for the cvs tag, upstream just sent it to me a few hours ago. I'll do it shortly.19:37
kikofta, woo! when it's up there drop me a line and I'll send you some swag, kiko@canonical.com19:37
* kiko goes off to rejoice19:37
ftakiko, sure. and.. nice, thanks :)19:37
radixHey all, can anyone tell me when binary:Version was introduced? I have to figure out which ubuntu distros I should use it in19:46
ScottKradix: All except Dapper.19:48
ScottKYokoZar: Thought you might find this interesting http://www.aigarius.com/blog/2008/12/02/iphone-review-from-a-free-software-guy/19:50
bddebianAnyone know who Andrew Starr-Bochicchio is?19:54
ScottKbddebian: I think asomething (not currently here).19:55
bddebianScottK: Thanks.  Know anything about burn? :)19:57
radixScottK: oh, thanks a lot19:59
pochubddebian: the drink? ;)19:59
bddebianpochu: Heh.  No, the package.  He changed the depends but the burn.conf still has /usr/bin/cdrdao and /usr/bin/mkisofs even though they were replaced with cdrecord and genisoimage respectively20:01
ScottKbddebian: No and I intend to keep it that way.20:01
bddebianScottK: :)20:02
pochubddebian: that sounds like a bug, indeed :-)20:03
YokoZarScottK: Thanks.  Making the iPhone (and later iPods) work in Wine was listed as one of the things that would prompt Wine to start the stabilization process and make another release.  What's needed is full support for arbitrary USB drivers, basically.20:05
YokoZarScottK: older ipods worked just as memory sticks, more or less, so getting iTunes to talk to them was easy20:05
ScottKYokoZar: So which iTunes works with Intrepid's Wine then?20:05
YokoZarScottK: 7.x works mostly well with older iPods.  8 crashes for a different reason.20:06
ScottKYokoZar: Does 'older' ~ works with Win2K and 'newer' ~ needs XP?20:07
ScottKYokoZar: Do you know some decent HowTo for Wine/iTunes on Intrepid I can hand my not terribly technical teenager and say "If you want iTunes, go for it."?20:09
YokoZarScottK: the howto is "go to oldversion.com and find iTunes 7, double click installer"20:11
YokoZarScottK: As for which iPods exactly, I'm not sure20:11
ScottKOK.  Well one of two teenagers here has one I'm sure qualifies as 'old'.20:12
ScottKThanks.20:12
YokoZarI'm actually still trying to figure out the best iPod solution for my girlfriend at the moment.  She has a newish one that doesn't work with iTunes, but does work with Banshee...sort of.  No playlists can be put on the thing I think.20:12
ScottKYokoZar: I have what I think is a nano and it works with Amarok really well.20:14
YokoZarI'm not quite sure I want to subject her to amarok yet on the netbook remix20:16
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geserI use gtkpod to upload music to my Ipod20:40
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pochuyou can use rhythmbox with ipods too20:58
pochuand it works quite fine20:58
sebnerpochu: and amarok :P20:58
pochubut I'm a GNOME guy :-)20:58
pochubut I have to admit amarok rocked when I used it (about 2 or 3 years ago) :)20:59
sebnerpochu: me too but amarok is amarok ;)20:59
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meoblast001hi21:35
CarlFKapt-get source blender creates a dir: blender-2.46+dfsg/  (good.) Using python-apt, how can I predict what that dir name will be?21:40
CarlFKand where is the right place for python-apt questions? (cuz this isn't really it...)21:40
CarlFKmore on topic: what should I do about this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: nvidia-glx21:43
pochuCarlFK: remove it if you want to build the package :)21:58
pochuCarlFK: not sure if there's an Ubuntu channel, but there seems to be #debian-apt on OFTC21:58
CarlFKpochu: why would it interfere with building?21:59
CarlFKwhat's oftc?21:59
pochuno idea, but somebody put that build-conflict, probably for a good reason21:59
pochuyou could look at debian/changelog if that's mentioned22:00
pochuCarlFK: it's another IRC network, just like Freenode22:00
CarlFKgood idea..22:00
CarlFKoh look, I am connected to oftc.net,,22:01
CarlFKhdh - and now there are 3 of us in #debian-apt ;)22:02
pochuheh22:02
CarlFK"Added a Build-Conflicts against nvidia-glx. When trying to build with that     package installed, a ``-lGL not found otherwise'' occurs, and without it,     everything looks fine. "22:03
CarlFKi'm not sure that qualifies as 'good' :)22:03
pochusounds like a workaround :)22:04
CarlFKI am building using the native build process (scons) - will see if it has any issues22:04
eMerzhsomeone to review my package ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman )?22:13
CarlFKpochu: the rest of that blender/readme on nvidia: " That should also avoid situations like in #282071     and #285946."22:36
CarlFKwhat system do those #numbers apply to?22:36
pochubugs.debian.org, I guess22:38
CarlFKthanks22:38
pochunp :)22:38
CarlFKhuh - "Please never ever build your opengl based packages with nvidia-glx package installed. That's what causes these problems.  "http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=28207122:41
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Debian bugtracker: global name 'ls' is not defined (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282071;mbox=yes)22:41
CarlFKheh22:41
directhexwho's good at watchfiles?23:50
ScottKdirecthex: They aren't so hard.  You've looked at man uscan?23:55
directhexScottK, mangle semantics are confusing me. i can blame the booze, of course23:56

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