[00:03] jjjjjjjdawwwwg: as i said, please come back at a later time [00:06] i've already privately logged @marks for both him and mylogic [00:15] Anyone knwo why jjjjjjjdawwwwg was banned from #ubuntu? [00:17] TheMuso: yes, why? [00:17] He has shown up in #ubuntu-installer wanting help. I am helping him as much as I can, but I first told him to go to #ubuntu for support, but he told me he was banned. I didn't know where else to send him, so I started helping. [00:18] TheMuso: he was banned first from #kubuntu for spamming it badly, then he was utterly silly in #ubuntu, then he started spammed again, so he was banned. [00:18] Its starting to turn into a hand holding kind of help. [00:18] he just showed up here to appeal his ban [00:18] he was told it won't be lifted just yet [00:19] TheMuso: yes, that is bound to be the case with him. [00:20] I am politely removing myself from helping him now, hopefully its the last I have to deal with him. [00:22] TheMuso: consider that he just stated, earlier on, that he had never used IRC before -- yet in #ubuntu he was asking how to install an IRC *server*. [00:22] to give you an idea of the individual. [00:22] * TheMuso nods. [00:22] I know what you mean. [00:23] Sounds like one who really would be better off sticking to windows. He wanted to install Ubuntu, totally replacing windows. I won't be surprised if he wipes his data out. [00:24] i'm not even entirely sure he isn't just trolling [00:24] and i wouldn't be surprised if he later came yelling at you because you had destroyed his Windows [00:26] I wouldn't be surprised either. I feel sorry I started helping him now. [00:27] happens. [00:27] LjL: Thanks for your time. [00:27] you're welcome === Pici` is now known as Pici [01:40] is anyone here [01:44] mylogic: yes, how can we help you? [01:45] well my issue is rather long, I have already explained it above if you want to just read my post earlier in here? [01:47] mylogic: ok, after a quick fligk through, seems you will have to take that up with LjL [01:48] actually, I believe I need to talk to bazhang and Flannel [01:48] oh well, I'll get ahold of them [01:48] thanks though [02:12] mylogic: i think LjL was pretty clear about idling here. [02:13] good moooooooooorning Connecticut! [02:13] heh [02:14] actually good evening [02:14] * mneptok is a Simsbury native [02:14] is in Middletown [02:14] sprry to hear that. ;) [02:14] blah... [02:14] mrwes: how can we help? [02:14] I'm on the Cromwell side [02:14] heh [02:15] welp....I was checking on my ban from #Ubuntu [02:15] :) [02:15] I failed to follow the CoC [02:15] @btlogin [02:15] after being warned... [02:16] grrrr .... [02:16] but I have read the required documents and I'm certain I can behave and contribute to the Ubuntu communtity [02:16] :) [02:17] Simsbury? Isn't that in Mass? [02:17] heh [02:17] wots da b0t say? [02:20] I believe there is a bot in #ubuntu Windoze and it was brought in by, I think, bsusa. It seems to be saying "hello" randomly to nicks [02:20] lets nuke'em! [02:22] mneptok, you still in CT? [02:23] [18:23] hello [02:23] [18:23] Hello ardchoille. [02:23] looks like a bot [02:23] but it aint mine [02:23] I just came back in 2005, I was in Chicago for 10 years before that [02:23] you sure? [02:24] type "hello" in #ubuntu [02:24] I'm currently unable to join that channel [02:24] ok, but if you were to type hellp, that guy's bot would respond [02:24] *hello [02:26] Just wanted to let someone know [02:26] mrwes: sorry, phone call [02:26] bah [02:28] it's gone mneptok [02:28] aye [02:33] what are all these people doing here? [02:33] mylogic: can we help you? [02:33] Ursinha: can we help you? [02:34] seanw: can we help you? [02:34] nalioth: Ursinha is a -br op and Canonical colleague who is here to watch for miscreant crossover between #u and -br [02:34] mmmmkay. [02:35] nalioth: i suggested she /join here after a problem user took his schtick to -br [02:35] ich verstehen [02:36] ausgezeichnet. [02:36] nalioth: I'm waiting for either bazhang or Flannel to come around [02:37] bad timing on that response, eh? [02:38] lol [02:39] for the record, mylogic has already been apprised of our "no waiting" policy once. this makes twice. [02:41] * jussi01 giggles at nalioth - have a look at seanw's cloak... [02:42] nalioth: are you counting LjL's as one? [02:42] (warning to mylogic) [02:47] jussi01: i know what his cloak says [02:47] mneptok: i believe we both have spoken with mylogic twice, mneptok [02:47] nalioth: so why are you asking if we can help him? [02:47] * jussi01 is confused [03:16] @whoami [03:16] genii [03:17] @login [03:17] The operation succeeded. [03:19] * jussio1 lols at genii [03:19] damn stupid thing always comes back as jussio1... hrm === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [03:22] jussi01: Volatile always betwen those two [03:22] yeah [03:23] they both have a short fuse [03:23] I gave h3 a quick pm, just saying be careful [03:23] Yup [03:30] jussi01: Heh, the cat thing won't die [03:34] FYI, just had a PM from minataku: [03:34] [05:29:21] I'd like more info on how you are handling this disgusting antagonism [03:34] [05:31:43] as you know there are several stages of dispute resolution. we are moving through them but havent yet reached the banning stage. other than that I cant go into specifics, as thats between us and him. but please know we are attending to it. [03:34] [05:32:13] Just remember to do your part and dont feed the troll/respond to him antagonising you. [04:00] #u [04:00] stdin called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [04:01] Someone boot sailormoon in -offtopic please [04:01] gon [04:01] gone, even [05:12] stdin: ping [05:12] jussi01: pong [05:14] * genii watches the table tennis game [05:14] mylogic was here I see [05:15] he will be disappointed to find neither flannel nor I have privileges to rescind his ban in -ot [05:38] bazhang or Flannel around? [05:38] mylogic, hi [05:39] hey there [05:39] so is there anyway this issue can come to some sort of resolve [05:40] I understand that I should be more attentive to the guidance in which the channel op is lending, and I see where my actions were at fault [05:41] mylogic, I see you had a talk with LjL [05:41] I attempted to [05:42] mylogic, not sure what you mean by 'attempted to' [05:42] It wasn't going in any sort of a positive direction [05:43] and if anything was back pedalling from the point in which you, myself, and Flannel arrived at yesterday evening [05:43] mylogic, there needs to be a bit of clarification [05:43] mylogic, you mention something about 'power trip' [05:44] I retract that comment [05:44] I was speaking out of frustration [05:44] I understand how I was in the wrong [05:45] mylogic, reading that comment seems to indicate you think that you were okay with the way things were going until I interceded [05:46] mylogic, even though several individuals asked you repeatedly to stop. [05:48] yes, something uncharacteristic of me, though I guess yesterday was just one of those days [05:49] mylogic, any hurry to get back into #ubuntu-offtopic ? [05:49] though I still feel as though nothing I was speaking of in the first place was inappropriate, I understand that when an op asked me to stop, I need to do so [05:49] mylogic, that is where we differ. [05:50] somewhat, it's a channel in which I enjoy passing the time and have made several good acquaintances [05:50] mylogic, if the direction is objected to by anyone, channel operator or no, should be a time to respect their wishes and bring it to a complete stop. [05:51] the direction in which was inappropriate was approached by the other guy, or so I understood it to be [05:51] it is the offtopic channel yes [05:51] but there are certain subjects that are offtopic for offtopic , ie o4o [05:51] then I was frustrated because I didn't feel like I was the one responsible for taking it in that direction, and from that point on I was taking a childish way of making a point by not dropping the subject [05:52] I understand that was the wrong way to go about it [05:52] mylogic, I feel you are missing a crucial point here. [05:58] I understand [05:58] mylogic, please clarify. [05:59] I understand that their are topics that can easily sit on a fine line between being appropriate and inappropriate, and as soon as someone, op or not, deems it as being inappropriate [05:59] then I need to respect that [06:00] mylogic, not really. [06:00] ? [06:00] mylogic, there was no fine line involved. [06:00] I'm confused then [06:01] so speaking of relationships in general is inappropriate all together? [06:01] denigration/misogyny has no fine line. [06:01] its wrong, plain and simple. [06:02] I completely agree, and wasn't involved in that, the other guy, wolf or something was the one involved in that area of chat [06:02] I was speaking with snux AND __mike about their problem in approaching a member of the opposite sex about their feelings for them [06:03] its not about the other guy. [06:03] he was banned, and admits he was wrong. [06:03] you think that you were banned as some sort of innocent bystander [06:04] well I wasn't saying anything disrespectful that would offend anyone, I did have a typo in defense of a comment the other guy made that could definitely be taken as offensive, but I think it was very clear that it was a typo [06:05] in DEFENSE of a comment he made of a picture of two of my good friends [06:05] __mikem admits he was in the wrong as well. [06:05] all three of you were asked to stop. [06:05] right [06:06] I got that [06:06] repeatedly asked to stop. [06:06] and not only did not stop, but mocked and continued. [06:06] ok, I suppose it makes sense now of why initially the conversation swayed in one that would not be appropriate for the channel [06:06] the other two parties involved have admitted they were in the wrong. [06:07] and the mocking was just a result of my lack of understanding of the rules [06:07] and was disrespectful to those who did give warning before taking action [06:08] the trigger !stop is quite explicit. lets not split hairs here. [06:09] I understood what the !stop was saying, but at THAT time, I didn't understand how the conversation even pertained to why I was getting this !stop warning, which is what triggered my mocking afterwards [06:09] not trying to make any justification of that though, it still was wrong [06:09] the discussion was completely wrong and inappropriate. nothing unclear about that. [06:09] can you quote me on what exactly it was that I said that was inappropriate [06:10] other than the single statement that was a typo [06:10] ? [06:10] this is not a debate. [06:10] I just don't understand what you keep making reference to [06:10] then you are not ready to have your ban lifted. [06:10] I'm not debating, but rather asking what exactly it was so I never repeat it or go in that direction [06:11] there are certain things that are not laid out, point by point, in the guidelines. [06:11] I just can't quite pinpoint any one statement that seems inappropriate [06:11] well what general concept was I breaking? [06:11] because they do not need to be. [06:12] misogyny is a big one. [06:12] like which collective lines did I say that created a thought of offense? [06:12] one second, let me look up misogyny on dictionary.com real quick [06:14] Yeah about that... I don't quite see anything I said that portrayed a hatred of women, nor expressed an aggravated form of male sexism, or any sort of prejudice [06:17] So please do help me see where it was that I flaunted this 'misogyny' ideal [06:19] mylogic, the fact that others did see it and asked for it to cease forthwith should have been an indicator. [06:20] you have logs of these channels, so please help me here [06:20] mylogic, no need. [06:20] this seems to be about parsing of statements in a discussion that was clearly out of line. [06:21] parsing? no need to parse! [06:21] you can show me in full things I was saying that were inappropriate [06:22] you were told by others present that they were not appropriate. [06:22] You seem like a pretty reasonable person. I have tried to go through the right process to appeal something I felt was wrongly done. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could swallow their pride and unban me. [06:23] I was told my one single operator [06:23] by* [06:23] and the fact was, nothing I said was ACTUALLY offensive or anything [06:24] mylogic, this seems to be going nowhere. [06:24] so would this give me the right to just go in the channel and tell anyone in there that what they are talking about makes me feel uncomfortable [06:24] would that grant you jurisdiction to ban them if I complained? [06:24] I don't think so, that's not how systems SHOULD work. [06:26] mylogic, your ban remains in place. [06:26] The only thing you have done is told me that when someone feels something is offensive and expresses it, that it is proclaimed as so. So suddenly opinions grant authority over others. Sweet legal system. [06:27] remaining here and continuing to argue about it will not expedite its lifting [06:27] if you could only show me something I said that was offensive, I would gladly bow out and accept the ban, but you can't even do that. I hope that your job doesn't require you to show proof behind your reasoning on decision making, otherwise you may be in trouble. [06:29] at this point I honestly don't care about expediting, I just think it's sad. I have colo'd servers at four different datacenters around the world. I'll be fine with just logging onto the channel with a different alias. Thanks for not using any reasoning what-so-ever in this appeal process. The network would be proud. [06:30] mylogic, ban evasion? [06:30] yeah [06:30] I'll tell you right now [06:30] I am about to log into #ubuntu-offtopic shortly [06:30] so the other two incidents were an accident or no [06:31] and there is not a single thing you can do about it [06:31] good day. [06:31] that took an unexpected turn. [06:33] * genii hands out more coffee and aspirins [06:57] Going /away now. Laters [06:57] :) [07:13] interesting... [07:21] !staff ^^ [07:21] Sorry, I don't know anything about staff ^^ [07:21] bah [07:21] bazhang, has he popped up yet? [07:21] I can't see him, I'm the only one with a "matt" ident [07:22] * jussi01 waves to ikonia [07:22] howdy [07:22] not enabled your proxy yet, stayed in London last night, on my way ino the office now [07:22] ahhh [07:23] didn't actually make it home due to a late night [07:23] that sucks [07:23] ikonia, i doubt he'll be in under matt, find the mylogic.[net|com|org] ban and see if it's different [07:23] @btlogin [07:24] .net it is [07:24] whoaa, he's had a few bans [07:25] yeah, he's not innocent at all [07:25] elkbuntu, yes he showed up [07:25] bazhang, who? zeroconn? [07:25] n=matt@74-37-30-58.dsl1.tbr.ga.frontiernet.net [07:25] elkbuntu, zeroconn is mylogic/matt? [07:25] thats him too [07:26] so his threat of ban evasion was all too real [07:26] bazhang, trying to guess [07:26] @btlogin [07:27] zeroconn (n=gx009@99.16.251.11) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic [07:27] left shortly later [07:27] a few minutes after mylogic/matt made those threats; was on for about 9 mins [07:29] *!*@12.173.146.160 is another him we need to watch for [07:49] just curious; mylogic is still in #ubuntu, would the above threats have any bearing on that? [07:50] only ever exploited there [07:51] actually - I think it does [07:52] someone comes in here making threats, I do'nt see a reason for them to be allowed access to #ubuntu while threatening "ubuntu" [07:52] in my opnion [07:52] we've always had an unwritten rule that except for extreme situations, each channel is managed seperately [07:53] argh breezy [07:53] I understand that rule [07:53] but sticking two fingers up at the operators trying to enforce those rules ? [07:54] I'm not saying act, I'm giving my opinion [07:54] depends if you think his childishness is worth putting up with the 'ops abuse' 'making it personal' accusations that we'd get unfairly assaulted with [07:55] I don't see how thats unfair [07:55] right [07:55] but the perception would be there [07:55] said he would dodge the ban [07:55] the accusations would be unfair [07:55] I do'nt really care what his perception is in that stance [07:55] hes not banned in ubuntu [07:55] the facts remain [07:55] yet.. [07:55] ikonia, and we need cold hard proof before we can act like he has [07:55] elkbuntu: I'm sure [07:56] as I said, I'm not saying act [07:56] he ban evaded in -ot only [07:56] unless freenode wants to step in that is [07:56] but if someone is banned and acivly says "I'll ban evade" - if they do or not is irrelevant, they are putting 2 fingers up at ubuntu's methods of running the channel [07:56] bazhang, we're assuming that was him. [07:56] elkbuntu, he admitted it. [07:56] it's blantantly against the COC - if the evade or not, the intent is there, or the threat [07:57] elkbuntu, ban evasions on two occasions then just a little while ago openly saying he would do it again [07:57] bazhang, he admitted that it was him? or he admitted that he was goign to try and it maybe possibly was him? [07:57] elkbuntu, he admitted he had done it twice, but that it was only accidental [07:57] he's reading this channel [07:58] he's just quit as we spoke abou tit [07:58] then with the last threat of openly ban evading he gave lie to the accidental part [07:58] it was not accidental. you dont log into your server and use your rdns 'accidentally' [07:59] clearly not. but that was his story at the time. [07:59] twice. [08:00] arun_ is trying to install java on breezy? [08:12] almost time for the tube, can someone watch bdelin88 he's got all the signs of storming out and making a fuss [08:16] ugh, i thought we had a changelog factoid [08:24] !changelogs | elkbuntu [08:24] elkbuntu: changelogs for Ubuntu packages can be found on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com [08:24] we do :) [08:32] ah, i missed the s. [08:32] alias tiem [08:33] someone else wanna do it? i always mess up [08:33] !changelog is changelogs [08:33] I'll remember that, jussi01 [08:33] !changelog | elkbuntu [08:33] elkbuntu: changelogs for Ubuntu packages can be found on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com [08:35] ta [08:35] :) [08:35] how's the leg? [08:40] still reallyouchies.. [08:41] morphine is making me high/sleepy [08:42] hehe [08:42] YOW... i didnt realise i had a split lip until right now.... [08:43] when i took a nice big mouthful of vodka and OJ. [08:43] the OJ on it's own is bad enough... [08:43] heheh [08:44] iPhone: DIIIEEEEE!!!! [08:45] why? [08:46] N97 ♥ [08:46] jussi01: see -ot [08:47] seen [08:48] ok, I will give my official opinion, I hate phones with only a touchscreen. [08:48] so all of them can go die... [08:49] jussi01: that one has a keyboard [08:49] feel free to grunt [08:49] Myrtti: it does? [08:49] http://www.symbian-guru.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/nokias_big_announcement_2.jpg [08:50] that poor site is getting hammered [08:50] well events.nokia.com is already whacked [08:50] it's running IIS according to the error messages [08:51] lol [08:51] http://events.nokia.com/ [08:51] see [08:51] interesting... I now have a new phone that I want... [08:51] yeah... [09:01] Has anyone seen seveas recently? [09:24] what's teh big news [09:24] I saw seveas about 2 days ago [09:24] what the devil is that digusting nokia [09:25] * Myrtti larts ikonia [09:25] it's SWEEET [09:25] shutup. [09:25] no [09:25] it's rubbish [09:25] it's not! [09:25] ikonia: why is it rubbish to your opinion? [09:25] I hate slidy phones [09:25] Myrtti: dont mind him, he just got an e71 and is now jealous :P [09:25] and those ones with the keyboard that pulls out making it a brick [09:26] * jussi01 huggles ikonia [09:26] I'm quite happy with my E71 thanks [09:26] I know... just like to tease :D [09:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O2Li74EYew OH DEAR SWEET GOD [09:27] you have your touch screen slide out cookie making N phone [09:27] each to their own [09:31] well, if they could release a black version... :-P [09:32] awesome eventually got them to approve nokia PC suite on my works desktop [09:32] black is better [09:32] [/quote] [09:36] red is faster... [09:36] yes, I've heard that rumour too [09:36] and I've got a bug in lifematta [09:36] :( [09:38] I've stopped running all extra apps apart from Flipsilent :-( [09:38] I'm not running the jaiku client either [09:39] ikonia: pm [10:07] * elkbuntu and ikonia form the "We're fine with our fake crackberry phones kthxbai" club. [10:08] far out. youtube currently crashes my firefox [10:08] E71 is schweet... [10:08] it's better than mine in many ways [10:09] the battery lasts more than a day, for one. [10:10] my battery lasts about 3 - 4 days of normal use [10:10] * Nafallo have his N95 8GB plugged to power most of the time [10:10] 5 - 6 with thigns turned off [10:10] constant bluetooth music playing drains batteries FAST :-P [10:11] ikonia, hey hold on... their phones make cookies?! [10:11] * elkbuntu steals Myrtti's phone and makes cookies. [10:11] doesn't yorus ? [10:11] no :( [10:11] you have the early version then [10:12] hehe, i have an e71 like yours... not n-series [10:12] the &1 release two makes cookies [10:12] E71 [10:12] ooh [10:12] * elkbuntu starts licking her phone [10:14] well thats nothing! mine EATS cookies :D [10:14] :P [10:14] jussi01 thats a defect [10:15] lol [10:16] back when i was a kid, we were lucky if our mobiles could make phonecalls. [10:16] back when I was a kid, we were lucky if our phones had buttons. [10:17] I had a cup and some string [10:17] that's nothing. i only had the string, i had to whittle the cups out of GRANITE [10:17] hahahah [10:19] thankyou thankyou, i'll be here all week. [10:20] TRY THE FISH! [10:24] hehe [10:24] i always forget to pimp the chef. [10:34] ergh [10:34] Martiini is favouriting my flickr pictures. [10:34] http://flickr.com/photos/29976761@N04/ [10:35] I'm scared. [10:36] who is martiini? [10:36] some estonian fellow who has been banned. [10:37] @bansearch martiini [10:37] No matches found for martiini!n=chatzill@80.235.35.235 in any channel [10:37] ah. stalker? [10:37] yeah [10:37] eep [10:37] * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti tight [10:37] is actually still banned in ot [10:37] if I see the bantracker correctly [10:38]